View Full Version : Thanks to the 350z.......
Julio
10-28-2006, 01:00 PM
It looks like Toyota will finally bring back the Supra.. =]
Looks like 08 might be the year
PhAtBoYMr2
10-28-2006, 01:02 PM
save the best for last.
blacknightteg
10-28-2006, 01:02 PM
lol where the hell have you been julio. REPOST! lol jk but yeah i cant wait
The Golden Child
10-28-2006, 01:04 PM
they said they were gunna come out with a supra in 06 then 07 and now 08 ..
Julio
10-28-2006, 01:05 PM
I was reading is official now.. well see.. they been talking about it for so long...
suppose to be in the 30k low/high who knows.. interesting if it does come out now.
Mr_Mischif
10-28-2006, 01:07 PM
The Big 3 Are BACK!!! I can't wait.
The Golden Child
10-28-2006, 01:07 PM
I was reading is official now.. well see.. they been talking about it for so long...
suppose to be in the 30k low/high who knows.. interesting if it does come out now.
it would be interesting and i wonder how its gunna look ..
1SICKLEX
10-28-2006, 01:17 PM
Here is what I know....
The issue is engineers basically want to beat the living crap out the Z and the competition for the money, from power to handling. Toyota has watched as the Z has done a great job proving a sporty halo back to the brand.
So this is why its taking so damn long
1. There are Supra test mules based on the IS RWD platform, which actually is from the Lexus GS platform. It handles well but it is heavy, being shared with luxury sedans.Engineers are not totally happy with the results. Thing is, money is saved.
2. There are Supra test mules based on a NEW Supra only platform. It handles GREAT and is light. Thing is it will cost a fortune to sell if Toyota wants to make money on it. Now Toyota is big enough to sell at a loss but that is not profit thinking.
3. Looks. Tons of internal debate on what the next Supra should look like. Too many different renderings to show.
4. The engine(s). Well unlike the Z, it does seem 2 engines will be available. THe first being the 3.5 in the IS WITH the dual VVTi and direct injection. Toyota 3.5s do without the direct injection in the Rav-4/Camry/Avalon, thus less power.
I have heard around 320-330hp.
The optional engine would be the Lexus 5.0 V-8 coming from the LS 600L h. This engine is also going in the IS-F (super IS). 415hp, 8 speed auto
5. Toyota has a 8-speed which would cut costs but enthusiasts would puke. So they need a high HP handling manual or DSG gearbox....
And I'm donE!!!
lol
§treet_§peed
10-28-2006, 01:22 PM
that's amouth full lol...they just need to stick with the 2JZ engine latform IMO..instead of making a great Import car into a wanna be Domestic V-8 car...but that's jsut what i think lol
1SICKLEX
10-28-2006, 01:24 PM
that's amouth full lol...they just need to stick with the 2JZ engine latform IMO..instead of making a great Import car into a wanna be Domestic V-8 car...but that's jsut what i think lol
2JZ is very dead.
1. Not emissions friendly
2. Heavy (Lexus V-8 only 2lbs heavier)
3. I-6 is less compact, so it makes design tougher (need a long hood)
I mean, the engine is a Legend, no doubt. It's time has passed though.....
CHADbee
10-28-2006, 01:33 PM
a supra not having boost is retared.
The Golden Child
10-28-2006, 01:37 PM
no boost you loose ..
Mr_Mischif
10-28-2006, 01:46 PM
2JZ is very dead.
1. Not emissions friendly
2. Heavy (Lexus V-8 only 2lbs heavier)
3. I-6 is less compact, so it makes design tougher (need a long hood)
I mean, the engine is a Legend, no doubt. It's time has passed though.....
So they can't revamp it? They're probably going to sell it at a loss anyway, but they can take it. I mean damn, if tuners can make 600HP supras street-legal, you mean to tell me that Toyota can't make the 2JZ lighter and emission friendly? That just doesn't sound right. And they know nobody will like a boostless supra.
1SICKLEX
10-28-2006, 01:50 PM
So they can't revamp it? They're probably going to sell it at a loss anyway, but they can take it. I mean damn, if tuners can make 600HP supras street-legal, you mean to tell me that Toyota can't make the 2JZ lighter and emission friendly? That just doesn't sound right. And they know nobody will like a boostless supra.
We are in the technology age. The 2JZ unboosted makes 225hp. The new Toyota 3.5 with direct injection and dual VVTi makes 306hp and is ULEV II certified. Most new engines have some sort of aluminum. The 2JZ is an iron block beast!
The 350Z is not boosted from the factory, its engine is shared in every Nissan, from the Quest to Murano to Altima to FX 35 etc. The aftermarket boosted it.
The 350Z 3.5 makes 300hp. The twin turbo 3.0 V-6 300ZX made 300hp....
TIGERJC
10-28-2006, 01:52 PM
fuck a new supra, I want them to bring back the turbo mr2 first
BTLFED
10-28-2006, 02:06 PM
We are in the technology age. The 2JZ unboosted makes 225hp. The new Toyota 3.5 with direct injection and dual VVTi makes 306hp and is ULEV II certified. Most new engines have some sort of aluminum. The 2JZ is an iron block beast!
The 350Z is not boosted from the factory, its engine is shared in every Nissan, from the Quest to Murano to Altima to FX 35 etc. The aftermarket boosted it.
The 350Z 3.5 makes 300hp. The twin turbo 3.0 V-6 300ZX made 300hp....
Exactly. None of the Japanese tuning "legends" have come back here with a turbo.
RX7, Twin Turbo -> RX8, Non Turbo (granted, that engine is a pile of shit)
300Z, Twin Turbo -> 350Z, Non Turbo
Don't get me wrong, I love the 2JZ as much as anybody, but there is no way Toyota is going to bring back the Supra with a heavy ass iron block in the nose. Especially with all of the technology these days.
Which brings me to another point to ponder: Has anyone else noticed that manufacturers that were known for big turbo cars (Mazda, Nissan) have gone to N/A, and two of the masters of N/A (Honda, BMW) are now producing turbo cars? The times they are a changin, my friends.
The Golden Child
10-28-2006, 02:18 PM
Exactly. None of the Japanese tuning "legends" have come back here with a turbo.
RX7, Twin Turbo -> RX8, Non Turbo (granted, that engine is a pile of shit)
300Z, Twin Turbo -> 350Z, Non Turbo
Don't get me wrong, I love the 2JZ as much as anybody, but there is no way Toyota is going to bring back the Supra with a heavy ass iron block in the nose. Especially with all of the technology these days.
Which brings me to another point to ponder: Has anyone else noticed that manufacturers that were known for big turbo cars (Mazda, Nissan) have gone to N/A, and two of the masters of N/A (Honda, BMW) are now producing turbo cars? The times they are a changin, my friends.
then soon robots are gunna take over .. :eek:
GIXXERDK
10-28-2006, 02:28 PM
Count on me to be the first person on IA to buy one :)
BTLFED
10-28-2006, 02:29 PM
Count on me to be the first person on IA to buy one :)
Don't say that too loud on here. The BMW nazis will try and talk you out of it. :rolleyes:
Toyota will have to step their game up to compete with the Z in 08.. 3.7L engine with more horsepower than before. I am looking forward to the competition though.. between 08-2010 should be very interesting for those that are performance minded. GT-R, and the Supra on the market here in the U.S.
Mr_Mischif
10-28-2006, 04:02 PM
We are in the technology age. The 2JZ unboosted makes 225hp. The new Toyota 3.5 with direct injection and dual VVTi makes 306hp and is ULEV II certified. Most new engines have some sort of aluminum. The 2JZ is an iron block beast!
But who's to say that's bad? The evo has a cast-iron block, and it's packed with technology
The 350Z is not boosted from the factory, its engine is shared in every Nissan, from the Quest to Murano to Altima to FX 35 etc. The aftermarket boosted it.
Let's not forget that the 2JZ was in the IS300, albeit in unboosted form. And the SR20DE was in the 200SX along with the Silvia.
Exactly. None of the Japanese tuning "legends" have come back here with a turbo.
And who's to say Toyota won't start the revolution?
there is no way Toyota is going to bring back the Supra with a heavy ass iron block in the nose. Especially with all of the technology these days.
Like I said before, the evo has an iron block and it does well for itself. And you can't call the RX8 the RX7's successor, unless you mean only in name, they're realy two different beings.
Brandon C
10-28-2006, 04:26 PM
MAZDA ALSO HAS BOOST NOW????
BUT INTERNATIONAL HAS THE KING OF BOOSTED MOTORS COMING OUT SOON...
7.4L TWIN TURBO DIESEL...YAY
koukis14
10-28-2006, 05:19 PM
I read in Car and Driver a few months ago that the new Supra was going to have an n/a high revving 500hp V10, to compete with the new gtr, Z06, and Viper. And a cheaper version with a v8 to compete with the 350, Mustang, New Camaro ect...But that was a while ago.
SpeedMonkey
10-28-2006, 06:10 PM
It looks like Toyota will finally bring back the Supra.. =]
Looks like 08 might be the year
no offense julio.. i mean it is cool that they're bringin back the supra.. but man.. who cares with the GT-R being released in 09?..
maybe toyota keeps claiming they are aiming the Supra @ the 350z.. but in all honesty.. if toyota had brains.. they'd aim at the GT-R after all. we are having horsepower wars again
1SICKLEX
10-28-2006, 06:25 PM
But who's to say that's bad? The evo has a cast-iron block, and it's packed with technology
Let's not forget that the 2JZ was in the IS300, albeit in unboosted form. And the SR20DE was in the 200SX along with the Silvia.
And who's to say Toyota won't start the revolution?
Like I said before, the evo has an iron block and it does well for itself. And you can't call the RX8 the RX7's successor, unless you mean only in name, they're realy two different beings.
Calm down, no one is saying an iron block or your EVO engine is bad.....Hell the EVO engine is a technological masterpiece, in 400FQ or 360FQ form, pushing that much power (400/360) with 2 liters!!!
1SICKLEX
10-28-2006, 06:26 PM
I read in Car and Driver a few months ago that the new Supra was going to have an n/a high revving 500hp V10, to compete with the new gtr, Z06, and Viper. And a cheaper version with a v8 to compete with the 350, Mustang, New Camaro ect...But that was a while ago.
That V-10 is the current LEXUS LF-A, which is coming in 2009. It is F-1 influenced and was developed when F-1 was using V-10s...they now use V-8s (rule change) so it may become a V-8 with around 500hp
§treet_§peed
10-28-2006, 06:33 PM
i still say the In line six power form a 2JZ beats the played out v-8 power...imo that is...
5thgcelica
10-28-2006, 06:39 PM
finally! hopefully it'll look good and not something retarded.
§treet_§peed
10-28-2006, 06:40 PM
i dunno the MKIV was killin it imo...
Kevykev
10-28-2006, 07:04 PM
Which brings me to another point to ponder: Has anyone else noticed that manufacturers that were known for big turbo cars (Mazda, Nissan) have gone to N/A, and two of the masters of N/A (Honda, BMW) are now producing turbo cars? The times they are a changin, my friends.
Good Point!!! with the exception of mazda. They're still upholding their heritage with the MAZDASPEED Packages and the New CX-7
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§treet_§peed
10-28-2006, 07:08 PM
ah hell the new Cx-7 is pimp shit yo!!!
Exactly. None of the Japanese tuning "legends" have come back here with a turbo.
RX7, Twin Turbo -> RX8, Non Turbo (granted, that engine is a pile of shit)
300Z, Twin Turbo -> 350Z, Non Turbo
Don't get me wrong, I love the 2JZ as much as anybody, but there is no way Toyota is going to bring back the Supra with a heavy ass iron block in the nose. Especially with all of the technology these days.
Which brings me to another point to ponder: Has anyone else noticed that manufacturers that were known for big turbo cars (Mazda, Nissan) have gone to N/A, and two of the masters of N/A (Honda, BMW) are now producing turbo cars? The times they are a changin, my friends.
wait the renesis makes about as much as the fd tt made stock... thats a big step for a rotary..
Jecht
10-28-2006, 09:34 PM
Another car I can't afford. Yay.
Z32redondo
10-28-2006, 11:45 PM
Import with v-8 = poo...I say just make improvements on the 2jz or design a new inline 6 twin turbo...Or maybe just make it straonger and try to get a tri-turbo or some crazy shit to revolutionize import engines. If they had 3 turbos that would definately make them a bigger player in the car game against the Z, and rx8, and maybe the gtr. Not to mention a v-8 is going to suck with gas mileage. Just a quick thought but im tired so dont take it too seriously.
ct9a gsr
10-29-2006, 12:11 AM
^ lol ^
tri-turbo.... lol
PRiMAdonna
10-29-2006, 12:18 AM
this thread is damn near 3 pages & no one has put up the pictures of what it's supposed to look like...
well, i guess i'll be the one...
i think it's absolutely BEAUTIFUL & i cant wait.
I am not for the 8 cylinder proposed optional engine. They should do the six and a tt six. 8 cylinder tt would be sick if someone did it though. So there is potential, maybe...
PhAtBoYMr2
10-29-2006, 01:54 AM
the funny thing is, even after the new supra is released i bet people will still be doing 2jz swaps in them, and that will be raw
let the 2jz go.. move on, they are old done with motors, just like the 4g63 and the B series motors.. time for something new
d993s
10-29-2006, 04:54 AM
Wow, a G35 Coupe look-alike with S2000 taillights and Porsche CGT headlights.
Can't Toyota come out with anything original?
Even Mazda has more original designs.
Z32redondo
10-29-2006, 08:50 AM
Hey im fine with the whole idea of a new supra. Wheather it is ugly or slow or whatever. Even if just old guys in their 50's buy them. Then maybe i can afford a TT MKIV...lol
BTLFED
10-29-2006, 10:40 AM
wait the renesis makes about as much as the fd tt made stock... thats a big step for a rotary..
And they have a recall on the LONG BLOCK in the RX8. My buddy is a tech at Mazda and he has actually had an RX8 completely stock, never beaten on, with 24k miles......on its 4th long block. That engine is garbage.
And they have a recall on the LONG BLOCK in the RX8. My buddy is a tech at Mazda and he has actually had an RX8 completely stock, never beaten on, with 24k miles......on its 4th long block. That engine is garbage.
its no worse than the previous 13b's and their issues.. .. and besides its a rotary whats a rotary wihtout problems. But back to the point, the renesis makes almost as much power as the 13bt did, and the 13b is no bulletproof sonder itself.
BTLFED
10-29-2006, 10:57 AM
its no worse than the previous 13b's and their issues.. .. and besides its a rotary whats a rotary wihtout problems. But back to the point, the renesis makes almost as much power as the 13bt did, and the 13b is no bulletproof sonder itself.
No, but it is more reliable than the Renesis engine. We can debate this all day, but the fact remains that the original 13b is a stronger engine than the Renesis engine. No, it's not bullet proof, but it is a hell of a lot more bullet proof than the Renesis.
No, but it is more reliable than the Renesis engine. We can debate this all day, but the fact remains that the original 13b is a stronger engine than the Renesis engine. No, it's not bullet proof, but it is a hell of a lot more bullet proof than the Renesis.
maybe ;)
BTLFED
10-29-2006, 01:09 PM
maybe ;)
Speaking from experience, it's fact.
§treet_§peed
10-29-2006, 02:01 PM
these are a few concept photo's i have found..i posted up a thread about the new Supra a while back... o yeah check out this link i found... http://www.shopping.com/xPO-2007_Toyota_Supra~r-1~CLT-INTR~RFR-aolsearch.aol.comhttp://media.popularmechanics.com/images/2007_supra.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/57672.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/57678.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/57677.jpg
http://www.autospies.com/images/uploads/medium/Supra.jpg
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/lfa4.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/general/future.toyota.2000gt/future.toyota.2000gt.340.jpg
This link is where i got the photo's from...http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51177
§treet_§peed
10-29-2006, 02:03 PM
here's a couple more links... http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=topsearchbox.webhome&query=pictures+of+2007+Toyota+Supra
http://www.japanesesportcars.com/
Z32redondo
10-29-2006, 02:33 PM
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/general/future.toyota.2000gt/future.toyota.2000gt.340.jpg
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ahmonrah
10-29-2006, 06:41 PM
then soon robots are gunna take over .. :eek:....and beta vcr's are gonna kick blue ray ass!!
umairejaz
10-29-2006, 06:52 PM
just buy a new z06 and call it a day.
§treet_§peed
10-29-2006, 06:57 PM
i love the look of the MKIV but that is me and everybody is entitled to there own opinions...
ShooterMcGavin
10-30-2006, 10:44 AM
like the look :goodjob:
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