PIT PUP QUESTION

[Killer]

I've got a seven week old baby pit now... he's gonna be an inside dog, i don't want to turn him into a chunk so how often should i feed him?

[devin]

you should get him on a schedule, 2 times a day, when he starts getting bigger get him eating 3 times a day.

[Killer]

that's what i thought.. but about how many ounces. like i said i've got to keep him lean cause he's gonna be an inside dog, and until he get's a lil bigger i can't run him so.

[devin]

just get a bowl and put some food in it, not too much though, hes little so dont over feed him

[Killer]

yeah, gotcha...

[The Golden Child]

twice daily half a pint each serving ..

[Killer]

cool thanks man. i'm thinkin around twelve thirty... and again at sixish...

[The Golden Child]

if he cant finish half a pint give him a little less than that ..

as he gets older give him more and twice is day is good ..

also will you be excersizing him if you are running is always good ..

[Killer]

i will be when he get's just a bit older.. he's not quite a runner yet... he's only about 5lbs ish... so he doesn't want to do much but sleep and eat.. and plays a little bit. i've only had him since yesterday so.

[The Golden Child]

put some pictures up ..

what kind is he red ??

[Killer]

full blooded red nose.... he's a beige/buckskin brendle... i'll get a couple up in a minute. he's got beautiful markings and gorgeous green eyes

i'm trying to come up with a good name for him still.

[Killer]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/kvb1085/firstday.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/kvb1085/sleepypup.jpg

only two i have.. they suck... but eh..

[The Golden Child]

he looks good his parents big ??

[Killer]

his mother was nice and thick, not too tone from being an inside dog, and a women owned her... i saw pics of the dad and it had a nice blocky head and was pretty muscular. looked sorta tall, but they were pics so i didn't have anything to compare it too. but both dogs were beautiful. all the pups were gorgeous as well. there was one other male that looked to have a blockier head, but the colors on mine are rare and i love them.

[dereksi]

what did you pay for him/her?

[Killer]

150 with up to date shots, and being wormed... i will have to continue to get the shots and more worming medicine, but it was a good deal to me.. no papers though.

[The Golden Child]

u gunna clip his ears ??

[Killer]

no, no need to put it in any pain just to give it a certain look...

[The Golden Child]

THATS COOL I DIDNT CLIP MY DOGS EITHER ..

[Killer]

i mean yea it does look good, but there is no need for it...

[The Golden Child]

everyone has there own opinion to it ..

but if you have a big huge pit it kinda looks funny with its ears .. lolz

[Killer]

true.. i don't think he's gonna be massive, i could be wrong, but still.

[The Golden Child]

hes 7 weeks now and weighs 5 lbs right ??

ill take a guess but hell be about 55 lbs max i could be wrong ..

my blue boy was 10 lbs when he was 8 weeks ..

his older brother was 15 lbs when he was 8 weeks ..

there both 7 months and my dog weighs 70 lbs and his brother weighs 90 lbs ..

[Killer]

roughly 5 pounds... not for sure that's a guestimate... but yeah i'd say 50-60... considering he'll be an inside dog and wont' get much excercise til later in the day...

any suggestions on how to get them adequate excersice during the day.. he comes to work with me, but i sit at a desk, so he's been sitting with me. yesterday he did great, but today he wants to run everywhere... so i need a way to burn some energy of his... he's not quite leash trained.. follows me fine without one, but when i put a leash on him he stops dead in his tracks.

[The Golden Child]

do you have toys for him to play with ??

after all he is a puppy so some toys should be the excersize he gets for now ..

[4GPVR4]

Sit at your desk & throw toys, encourage him to bring them back & throw them again. He's a baby, so I bet he will get worn out fast.
When you have him on leash, have treats & use them to encourage him to walk. (he gets treats when you walk not when he is stopped) Try not to have tension, that's prob why he freezes.

[Killer]

yeah.. he seems to walk more when i let go of the leash.. i've come to the conclusion that he hates wet grass too! lol... he'll do everything he can to touch some concrete late at night instead of the grass... and yeah i've got toys like tug toys.. and such...

but i can't throw them.. i'm in a cubicle, and i'm on the phone all the time. and it's my boss's house so i can't just let him run, he'll piss on everything.... lol

which reminds me... how much water should he drink a day, he pisses all day long so i know if i give him more water he'll piss even more so.. he gets some water in the morning, at luch and at dinner.. that's normally about it.. when he get's older and potty trained i'll let him drink all day long, but i'm afraid to now... and i take him out side close to every hour if not more...

[The Golden Child]

yeah.. he seems to walk more when i let go of the leash.. i've come to the conclusion that he hates wet grass too! lol... he'll do everything he can to touch some concrete late at night instead of the grass... and yeah i've got toys like tug toys.. and such...

but i can't throw them.. i'm in a cubicle, and i'm on the phone all the time. and it's my boss's house so i can't just let him run, he'll piss on everything.... lol

which reminds me... how much water should he drink a day, he pisses all day long so i know if i give him more water he'll piss even more so.. he gets some water in the morning, at luch and at dinner.. that's normally about it.. when he get's older and potty trained i'll let him drink all day long, but i'm afraid to now... and i take him out side close to every hour if not more...

thats good and tell him hes a good boy when he does his business outside ..

and id say bring some pee pads with you just incase ..

[Killer]

yeah.. i always love on him a lot when he goes outside..

and i tried the pee pad.. lol.. he just trys to eat them! lol.

[The Golden Child]

thats when you g otta be strict with him ..

tell him no when he trys to bite it and place him on top and tell him pee pee ..

[Killer]

yeah man i hear ya! i'm definetly gonna make sure he's a good dog.. i don't want an aggressive dog that doesn't behave... at the same time, i don't want to too strict in fear of him being scared of me...

[The Golden Child]

yeah man i hear ya! i'm definetly gonna make sure he's a good dog.. i don't want an aggressive dog that doesn't behave... at the same time, i don't want to too strict in fear of him being scared of me...

yea pitbulls are like kids they try to get what they want ..

my joy trys to get anything she wants and when i say no she already knows to get in her cage for 30 minutes ..

[Killer]

that's unreal... ... i can't wait for him to get past the whiney stage... man they really are just like babies.. i've just about got him to quit whining when i go to bed and he's in his cage... i put his cage next to my bed and took the top off so i can pet him... he whines less each night... lol the pissed my bed the first night so i right away said no more of that!!!! and he doesn't beg to be in my lap so much at work either!

[The Golden Child]

that's unreal... ... i can't wait for him to get past the whiney stage... man they really are just like babies.. i've just about got him to quit whining when i go to bed and he's in his cage... i put his cage next to my bed and took the top off so i can pet him... he whines less each night... lol the pissed my bed the first night so i right away said no more of that!!!! and he doesn't beg to be in my lap so much at work either!

yea joy thinks my bed is hers when i lay down she trys to squeeze in and i just push her off ..

she peed on my bed when she was a puppy also she got a beating for that ..

put some toys and a blanket in the cage for him so he doesnt whine ..

joy used to jump on my lap and still does she things shes still a puppy ..

[BLk92DA]

let it hump your face a few times. you and the puppy will enjoy it :lmfao:

[The Golden Child]

uhmmm yea ok ..

[Killer]

let it hump your face a few times. you and the puppy will enjoy it :lmfao:


you mean like how ur mom enjoys it when i hump hers???

if so maybe i should.. cause ur mom absolutely loves it!



back on track..
he's still peeing in his bed is the bad thing, so i have to wake up early and give him a bath... i walk him plenty of times before we go to bed. and he pee's everytime and is not allowed water past 8.. i didn't go to bed til 11:30.. and he was walked at least 3 times.. if not more...(3 times between 8-11)

[The Golden Child]

peeing in his bed while hes in his cage ..

do you have him in a big cage or a little cage ??

cause i have a big cage for my Joy when i first got her ..

i also had the same issue she would shit and pee in her cage ..

i would have to wake up at like 7 in the morning ..

give her a bath and clean the cage so it doesnt stink my apt ..

then she stopped doing it and waited till i woke up to walk her outside ..

[Killer]

yeah, it's a big cage for like a 50-60 lbs dog. and he waits til like 3-4 or 5 to pee... it's dumb cause i'm dead asleep then.

the good side to all of this is, i'm wakin up in plenty of time to make it to work on time! lol.

[The Golden Child]

this is what i did when my dog was a puppy ..

walk her when i wake up ..

when i get home i walk her again ..

walk her before i head to bed ..

then she got the idea that she has to go outside not inside ..

and when she does her business i tell her shes a good girl ..

[Killer]

well, my dog is with me all day long, so i take him out all day long. and i definetly tell him good boy and pet him when he goes outside.
he's outside well over 10 times a day.

[Kelly]

Have you tried treats to reward him? That may help...

[Killer]

not yet...

[4GPVR4]

yeah, it's a big cage for like a 50-60 lbs dog. and he waits til like 3-4 or 5 to pee... it's dumb cause i'm dead asleep then.

the good side to all of this is, i'm wakin up in plenty of time to make it to work on time! lol.

The crate may be too big (for now). Sometimes if the pups have too much room they will still potty in their crates. Is there a way to rig the crate so he only has enough room for him? I would only let him have water at certain times. Like if you go to bed at 10pm, take away the water at 8pm. Also, run the crap out of him before work & maybe he will take a long nap in the morning. Then run him at lunch, so he will nap in the afternoon. Pups usually pee after naps & playtimes;)

[Killer]

yeah man, i'll try makin it smaller... but as far as running goes.. he doesn't really run yet.. he's not leash trained yet... i do play with him and get him moving a lot at luch though. normally about 20 minutes of play time at lunch that for sure wears him down.

[The Golden Child]

play some fetch with him ..

[Killer]

he'll play a little fetch, but he's still a pup.. and has a bit of ADD lol.

[The Golden Child]

hahaha sometimes my dogs do that also ..

theyll eat then play with the toys and chew da bone then play with the toys its funny ..

[Killer]

shoot! i tried making the cage smaller thing.. and it worked... i just stuck a boogie board in there and seperated the cage in two sections.... he didn't pee a drop!

[Dragonfly5338]

yeah, it's a big cage for like a 50-60 lbs dog. and he waits til like 3-4 or 5 to pee... it's dumb cause i'm dead asleep then.

the good side to all of this is, i'm wakin up in plenty of time to make it to work on time! lol.

You need to get a divider for that cage, cut it off so that he has enough room in it to turn around and get comfy all sprawled out, but not so big that he can pee in one corner and sleep in the other. Effectively this is what he's doing. You want him to learn that his crate is his home, because puppies in general won't pee where they sleep, so they try and hold their bladder as much as possible.

A good rule of thumb is divide the # of weeks they are in half, and that's how long they can hold their bladder in hours, ie 8 weeks old = 4 hours. Be sure any time he drinks or eats to take him out 10-15 minutes afterwards, and try to go to the same place every time. Puppies like to pee where other dogs have peed and pooped. It sounds like he's doing good so far, but you may have to set the alarm to wake up in the middle of the night to take him potty. It's rough, but get through those first couple weeks and he'll be able to hold it through the night.

As for feeding, make sure you get him a good quality food (none of that supermarket bullshit), either Neutro Ultra or something similar. He'll get more nutrition out of the same amount of food. Feed him a couple times a day via the recommended amount split up into 3 meals. Once he gets a bit older you can adjust it and knock it down to 2 times a day.

[The Ren]

Dude to be completely honest.. it depends on the food you are feeding him... Each food requires a different amount of food per size of dog because of the nutriants in the food...

[The Ren]

You need to get a divider for that cage, cut it off so that he has enough room in it to turn around and get comfy all sprawled out, but not so big that he can pee in one corner and sleep in the other. Effectively this is what he's doing. You want him to learn that his crate is his home, because puppies in general won't pee where they sleep, so they try and hold their bladder as much as possible.

A good rule of thumb is divide the # of weeks they are in half, and that's how long they can hold their bladder in hours, ie 8 weeks old = 4 hours. Be sure any time he drinks or eats to take him out 10-15 minutes afterwards, and try to go to the same place every time. Puppies like to pee where other dogs have peed and pooped. It sounds like he's doing good so far, but you may have to set the alarm to wake up in the middle of the night to take him potty. It's rough, but get through those first couple weeks and he'll be able to hold it through the night.

As for feeding, make sure you get him a good quality food (none of that supermarket bullshit), either Neutro Ultra or something similar. He'll get more nutrition out of the same amount of food. Feed him a couple times a day via the recommended amount split up into 3 meals. Once he gets a bit older you can adjust it and knock it down to 2 times a day.

+1 I love people who give advice who know what they are talking about.. and not made up shit they think they know.. I see too many sick animals and animals die because of ignorant owners..

[Killer]

yeah, as stated.. i divided the cage and it worked. now i've got to ween him from me... he needs to learn that i'm not gonna come to him every time he yelps... which is hard to do, cause he's with me at work all day so i have to give in somewhat to make him quiet... and i live in an apt so i can't have him barkin all night there either.

i've got him on beneful right now. a couple of vets recomended it. his gas is awful though.. his stomach isn't use to the change quite yet...

[The Ren]

Beneful is shitty ass food.. I dont know what vet recommended it to you.. but I sure as hell wouldnt let that touch my dogs mouth..

[Killer]

ren, i know u work at a vets office.. any good recomendations on a good vet near marietta.. i've gotta get this little guy checked for worms... and he'll need his next set of shots soon. the lady i bought him from wormed him right in front of me, but he hasn't seemed to gain any weight so...

[Killer]

Beneful is shitty ass food.. I dont know what vet recommended it to you.. but I sure as hell wouldnt let that touch my dogs mouth..

F!

my bosses dogs vet...

i just bought the effin bag!.... he loves it thought... he tears right into it.

[The Ren]

Honestly Im not too knowledgeable about the vets in marietta.. I used to work at the banfield in kennesaw and I would NEVER recommend anyone to go there.. I know some of the vets that work at cobb emergency.. because I used to work with them.. Ask Val where she goes.. I just went to a class about a month ago with some of the best doctors in the country about client awareness about puppys.. their growing cycle food and all that.. and it was VERY informtaive.. I even learned stuff about my dog.. Believe me once you work at vet.. your whole perception of owning a dog changes..

[The Ren]

F!

my bosses dogs vet...

i just bought the effin bag!.... he loves it thought... he tears right into it.

That stuff causes bad bloat and diarrhea...

[Dragonfly5338]

Beneful is shitty ass food.. I dont know what vet recommended it to you.. but I sure as hell wouldnt let that touch my dogs mouth..


+1. She's absolutely right. That is some SHITTY ass food.

I go to Jones Bridge Animal Hospital in Alpharetta, btw. The vets there are amazing. Yoshi had to have surgery on his leg last year and they figured out that he broke his hip immediately, and my vet actually canceled his vacation so he could do surgery on him the next day instead of making him wait a week in pain. He said his wife and kids would understand, but Yoshi wouldn't. He had the whole ball of his hip joint cut away and reconstructed with the ligaments and muscles of his hip and a year later you wouldn't even know. The only tell-tale is that his scar shows through his fur when he's shedding. He runs and plays like nothing ever happened.

I've been going there for over 15 years when we moved to Alpharetta. My fiance Tray takes his dog to them as well and when they found out we were dating they were so excited LOL. He had to put his dog down and they were so kind there, they even made a plaster cast of Sandy's foot to send to his family as a keepsake.



Anyway, back to food. The only food I'd recommend that isn't at a specialty shop is Nutro Ultra - read the label and compare it to the supermarket brands. One of my dogs has allergies to wheat products, and every food I've tried makes him break out and scratch horribly, but on Nutro he's fine - there's no wheat filler, or corn filler in it. He did fine on a few other brands that were from the specialty dog food shop, but they were too rich for Yoshi and gave him digestion problems. Nutro Ultra they're both fine, it's a good mix between the two. Plus you can get it at Petsmart, which is a plus. If you want REALLY good food go to Red Bandana and see what they have there.

[The Ren]

Thats what I feed Misha.. we had a nutro person come out to the vet and actually brought all the ingredients in a bag of nutro.. All natural and it was awesome.. IT really helps when you can use the food and offer it to clients.. I would never tell anyone to use anything I havnt used on my own pets.. I feed my dog nutro high energy.. She is very active and needs something with the nutriants to mantain her weight with how much energy she burns off.. Believe me I know alot of tricks of the trade..

[The Golden Child]

im feeding my dog beneful and they love it ..

no diarrea or anything except yesterday for some odd reason ..

im thinking it was the raw hide i bought for them on sunday ..

imma try nutro and see how that is cause i bought a bag of beneful sunday ..

[Killer]

i have noticed the bloating, but i just figured it was cause of the change in diet, i know it makes them gasy...

i'll hit pet smart tonight and grab some nutro.. thanks guys. a lot.. and val, do u have any idea how late the one u go to stays open? i work nine to six..... thanks again.

[The Ren]

pets mart is usually open until 8 or 9ish

[Killer]

i meant the vet.. yeah i have a pet smart right down the road from me.. so that's not a problem. trying to get to a vets office is the problem! lol. thanks though.

[Dragonfly5338]

Here's some info, btw:

Dog Food Comparison Chart


Dog Food First Eight Ingredients Human
Grade

Bil-Jac Select Fresh chicken by-products1 (organ meat only), fresh chicken, corn2, chicken by-product meal1, dried beet pulp (sugar removed), fresh chicken liver, brewers dried yeast, cane molasses7 No

Eukenuba Adult Chicken, chicken by-product meal1, corn meal2, ground whole grain sorghum, ground whole grain barley, chicken fat, fish meal, Brewers rice3 No

*Flint River Ranch Chicken meal, whole wheat flour, ground rice, lamb meal, poultry fat, ground wheat, flax seed, dried whole egg Yes

*Flint River Ranch, Lamb/Millet/Rice Lamb Meal, Ground Whole Millet, Ground Whole Rice, Rice Bran, Menhaden Fish Meal, Grapeseed Oil, Flaxseed Meal, Lecithin Yes

Iams Adult Chicken, corn meal2, ground whole grain sorghum, chicken by-product meal1, ground whole grain barley meal, fish meal, chicken fat, dried beet pulp No

Kibbles 'N Bits Corn2, soybean meal, ground wheat, beef & bone meal4, animal fat5 (BHA6 and citric acid used as preservatives), corn syrup7, wheat middlings, water sufficient for processing No

Nutro Max Chicken meal, wheat flour, ground whole wheat, rice bran, poultry fat, corn gluten meal2, ground rice, lamb meal No

*Nutro Ultra Adult,Chicken Meal, Whole Brown Rice, Ground Rice, Lamb Meal, Rice Bran, Sunflower Oil Poultry Fat, Salmon Meal, Flaxseed

Pedigree Ground yellow corn2, meat and bone meal4, corn gluten meal2, chicken by-product meal1, animal fat5 (preseved with BHA/BHT6), wheat mill run, natural poultry flavor, rice, salt7 No

Proplan Adult Chicken, Brewers rice3, whole grain wheat, poulty by-product meal1, corn gluten meal2, beef tallow8, whole grain corn2, corn bran2 No

Purina Beneful Ground yellow corn2, chicken by-product meal1, corn gluten meal2, whole wheat flour, beef tallow8, rice flour, beef soy flour, sugar7 No

Purina Dog Chow Ground yellow corn2, poultry by-product meal1, corn gluten meal2, soybean meal, beef tallow8 preserved with mixed-tocopherols , brewers rice3, dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate No

Purina One Chicken and Rice Chicken, brewers rice3, whole grain corn2, corn gluten meal2, poultry by-product meal1, whole grain wheat, beef tallow8 preserved with mixed tocopherols , natural flavors No

Science Diet Natures Best Chicken Brewers rice3, ground wheat, turkey meal, corn gluten meal2, soybean meal, animal fat5, chicken, vegetable oil No

Science Diet Original Chicken, corn meal2, ground grain sorghum, ground wheat, chicken by-product meal1, brewers rice3, soybean meal, animal fat5 (preserved with BHA6, propyl gallate6 and citric acid) No


1. Meat by-products: Pet grade meat by-products consist of organs and parts either not desired, or condemned, for human consumption. This can include bones, blood, intestines, lungs, ligaments, heads, feet, and feathers.

2. Corn: Corn products are difficult for dogs to digest.

3. Food Fragments: Lower cost by-products of another food manufacturing process. Examples include wheat bran and brewer's rice (a waste product of the alcohol industry).

4.Meat and bone meal: "Meat and bone meal" and "beef and bone meal" are inexpensive sources of animal protein. The protein in a meal containing a large amount of bone may be poorly digestible and fail to provide adequate nutrition.

5.Animal Fat: Animal fat is a "generic" fat source that is most often made up of rendered animal fat, restaurant grease, or other oils too rancid or deemed inedible for humans. Look for a named fat source, such as poultry or chicken fat, that is naturally preserved.

6.Chemical Preservatives: Chemical preservatives include butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA), butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), propyl gallate, propylene glycol (also used as a less-toxic version of automotive antifreeze), and ethoxyquin. BHA, BHT, and ethoxyquin are potentially cancer-causing agents. The long term build-up of these chemicals (that may be eaten every day for the life of your pet!) have not been thouroughly studied and may ultimately be harmful.

7.Sweeteners: Sweeteners such as corn syrup, sugar, and cane mallases are usually added to lower quality foods to increase their appeal. Dietary sugars can aggrevate health problems, including diabetes.

8.Beef Tallow: A low quality fat product.

[Killer]

thanks again!..

and ur sig is awesome.. no one says "you have aids" more than me! lol.

[The Golden Child]

+1

[The Ren]

:D Thanks for the info val.. like i said when a rep can bring you all the stuff thats in the dog food.. that impresses me..

[Killer]

yeah i'm gonna grab a bag tonight... but, i know a sudden switch in food is not good for there stomachs... and i also know that the beneful is making him bloaty too... so?? do i still mixt them or just flat out switch it???

[The Golden Child]

thats weird cause my dogs arent bloating from beneful and they love the food ..

[The Golden Child]

+1 I love people who give advice who know what they are talking about.. and not made up shit they think they know.. I see too many sick animals and animals die because of ignorant owners..

those are the people who just want dogs just because and not treat them as family members i feel sorry for the animals ..

[Dragonfly5338]

yeah i'm gonna grab a bag tonight... but, i know a sudden switch in food is not good for there stomachs... and i also know that the beneful is making him bloaty too... so?? do i still mixt them or just flat out switch it???

I'd gradually switch him over a few days. Start with 1/4 nutro, 3/4 beneful for a day or two, then half and half, then 3/4 beneful, 1/4 nutro, then full nutro. That gives his tummy some time to get used to the new food. If you notice him having the runs or getting constipated, add a spoonful/half spoonful of canned pumpkin to his food. For whatever reason canned pumpkin (plain pumpkin NOT the premade pumpkin pie mix) will clear up the runs, and help soften hard stools. Plus my dogs love it.

My doggie Yoshi had BAD gas and the runs on his old food, but once I switched over fully it took a few days for the old food to get out of his system and his tummy settled down after that.

Steve-O - they might like the food and do fine on it, but probably on a better food you'd notice a difference. Their coats will look better, teeth, etc. In the long run they'll be healthier because they're getting more nutrition out of their food.

Ren - That's definitely impressive. Even the smell of Nutro smells good, not like nasty dried dog food. I'd like to see some of those companies bringing in bags full of chicken guts, necks, feet and mystery animal fat, LOL.

[The Golden Child]

I'd gradually switch him over a few days. Start with 1/4 nutro, 3/4 beneful for a day or two, then half and half, then 3/4 beneful, 1/4 nutro, then full nutro. That gives his tummy some time to get used to the new food. If you notice him having the runs or getting constipated, add a spoonful/half spoonful of canned pumpkin to his food. For whatever reason canned pumpkin (plain pumpkin NOT the premade pumpkin pie mix) will clear up the runs, and help soften hard stools. Plus my dogs love it.

My doggie Yoshi had BAD gas and the runs on his old food, but once I switched over fully it took a few days for the old food to get out of his system and his tummy settled down after that.

Steve-O - they might like the food and do fine on it, but probably on a better food you'd notice a difference. Their coats will look better, teeth, etc. In the long run they'll be healthier because they're getting more nutrition out of their food.

Ren - That's definitely impressive. Even the smell of Nutro smells good, not like nasty dried dog food. I'd like to see some of those companies bringing in bags full of chicken guts, necks, feet and mystery animal fat, LOL.

thats what i figured cause at 1st i was feeding them IAMs then that whole issue about them and i switched them to beneful and now im hearing beneful sucks .. so im gunna end up getting the nutro ..

you guys hear about NuVet ?? what do u think of it im thinking about getting my dogs NuVet ..

also anyone heard about Canadine ?? there was a thread about it i was also thinking about feeding my dogs that ..

[Dragonfly5338]

thats what i figured cause at 1st i was feeding them IAMs then that whole issue about them and i switched them to beneful and now im hearing beneful sucks .. so im gunna end up getting the nutro ..

you guys hear about NuVet ?? what do u think of it im thinking about getting my dogs NuVet ..

also anyone heard about Canadine ?? there was a thread about it i was also thinking about feeding my dogs that ..

In general, you shouldn't need any sort of suppliments unless the dog looks like he's missing something in his diet, ie, low energy, coat isn't shiney, skin is itchy, etc. Your best bet is to have your dogs getting all their nutrition in their diet, as it's easy to overdo it with suppliments and end up possibly harming your dog, especially with growing dogs.

The only suppliment I give my dogs is human-grade fish oil, since most commercial dog foods have supplimented Omega 6 oils (from seeds), but lack Omega 3 (from cold water fish). It helps with any sort of allergies, itchy skin, bones and joints, etc. Plus my dogs love to lick it out of a spoon, haha.

If you want to increase muscle mass, be sure they're getting enough protein in their diet (which would be taken care of with a higher quality food) and be sure to exersise them regularly. Be careful when they're young and their joints are still forming, however. Just like people who over do it with steriods and the like to be bigger than nature intended them to be, the same goes for dogs. He'll be in the best shape he can be in for his frame and the most healthy if you feed him a balanced diet and make sure he's in good shape. :)

[The Ren]

There is only Three brands of food I recommend... Hill Science Diet... IVD-Royal Canine... and Nutro.. Anything else is a waste...

[Dragonfly5338]

There is only Three brands of food I recommend... Hill Science Diet... IVD-Royal Canine... and Nutro.. Anything else is a waste...

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[Killer]

lol... well, now that you've met lyric!!!! that was so random...

it's a small world u know it.. or atleast a small atlanta/surrounding areas! lol.

[Dragonfly5338]

lol... well, now that you've met lyric!!!! that was so random...

it's a small world u know it.. or atleast a small atlanta/surrounding areas! lol.

his name is stanley. stanley b. beauregard. :D

[Killer]

no ma'am...

[Killer]

he's doing better about most things... but he's still pissing in the middle of the night. but he has learned the word no... he normally stops dead in his tracks when i say "NO" to him.

[The Golden Child]

he'll learn ..