Education vs. "Doing Own Thing"

[gtikid]

So since I can't find the education section, i'll post this in here...

I know this topic has been brought up PLENTY of times before on here. I can't find those threads so I thought i'd just start up a new one. Both parties, in the past, have made very good points. I know Tony (G35) has made very good points of entrepeunership, and going out and succeeding on your own, without going to college.

So, why don't I just go ahead and start the debate again...

Education
or
"Doing your own thing"

Thats the best way I can put it, and please notice the quotation marks. I'd make a poll but I don't know how to haha :goodjob: And if you guys haven't noticed, i'm pretty fed up with college and all the USELESS bullshit that doesn't play any role in your major. So let's get it rolling :goodjob:

[VTECin5th]

It all depends what you want to do. I'd do my own thing

[Shawn]

Having a degree never hurts, whether you are an entrepeuner or looking for a corporate job. Trust me man, I feel the same way alot of the time, getting sick of school and shit, but its worth it. Entrepeunership is great, but there are alot of risks involved and ive seen it backfire like crazy, you need something to fall back on.

[4dmin]

everything is only worth what you put in... school can get you more in the long run...

we'll take one field... IT. you can make good money w/o anything and your experience can get you farther then a college grad, but after the college grad has experience doing the same thing what do you have to offer ;)

[ironchef]

everything is only worth what you put in... school can get you more in the long run...

we'll take one field... IT. you can make good money w/o anything and your experience can get you farther then a college grad, but after the college grad has experience doing the same thing what do you have to offer ;)By the time the college grad has the experience you should've been promoted :D. Im personally sick of school today and I'd love to do my own thing, but I dont have the skill set involved to do it, which is why im in school in the first place :(.

[ISAtlanta300]

Having a degree never hurts, whether you are an entrepeuner or looking for a corporate job. Trust me man, I feel the same way alot of the time, getting sick of school and shit, but its worth it. Entrepeunership is great, but there are alot of risks involved and ive seen it backfire like crazy, you need something to fall back on.

Wise advise.

Sick of school? How can you be sick of school? Different poonany to look at every year, parties, a whole month vacation etc.

Just wait until you HAVe to get up every morning, get one week vacation, get paid shit and have to pay your own shits and bills ....... THEN you would wish you were still in school.... LOL

[4dmin]

By the time the college grad has the experience you should've been promoted :D. Im personally sick of school today and I'd love to do my own thing, but I dont have the skill set involved to do it, which is why im in school in the first place :(.

this is true but again... in the long run when you want to make that job hop to another company and your going up against some guy w/ a degree + exp you better have a flawless resume or your going to get looked over.

[ironchef]

Concurred.

[threehundred]

Wise advise.

Sick of school? How can you be sick of school? Different poonany to look at every year, parties, a whole month vacation etc.

Just wait until you HAVe to get up every morning, get one week vacation, get paid shit and have to pay your own shits and bills ....... THEN you would wish you were still in school.... LOL


That's the truth!


Paul's right, degree + experience is better than just experience, and will almost always get the guy with a degree the job. The shitty thing is, only like 25% of people use their degree for the job its designed for. Most people are like a business manager with a anthropology degree or something.

My advice:

Pick what you want to do and go to a school that specializes in that. Maybe only a 2 year school or technical school. Then get a job, and make that job pay for more school or certifications. In IT, certifications can go a long way.

[4dmin]

That's the truth!


Paul's right, degree + experience is better than just experience, and will almost always get the guy with a degree the job. The shitty thing is, only like 25% of people use their degree for the job its designed for. Most people are like a business manager with a anthropology degree or something.

My advice:

Pick what you want to do and go to a school that specializes in that. Maybe only a 2 year school or technical school. Then get a job, and make that job pay for more school or certifications. In IT, certifications can go a long way.

no doubt any school is better then no school... i really need to get in gear i'm 5 classes shy of my programming degree :rolleyes:

[gtikid]

Wise advise.

Sick of school? How can you be sick of school? Different poonany to look at every year, parties, a whole month vacation etc.

Just wait until you HAVe to get up every morning, get one week vacation, get paid shit and have to pay your own shits and bills ....... THEN you would wish you were still in school.... LOL

Ive been at State for 3 years, and I have never gone to a SINGLE party at State, and no it's not because i'm not outgoing. If you don't live on campus, your pretty much fucked as far as parties go. I don't go down there unless it's for class, and even then I dont feel like making that long ass drive out there.

Ask ANYONE that goes to State, the fine to ugly girl ratio there is about a 0.5/10...it's shitty. The few times i've gone to Perimeter, i've seen x980456498706540 finer girls in about 10 minutes than I do in SEMESTERS at State, and that's only Perimeter. I can go to different places and find better looking girls, so that excuse to go to school is pretty much out the window.

O believe me, the bills are there, thats nothing new. If I was still in high school, where I didnt have any bills, that'd be a different story :D

[ironchef]

Ive been at State for 3 years, and I have never gone to a SINGLE party at State, and no it's not because i'm not outgoing. If you don't live on campus, your pretty much fucked as far as parties go. I don't go down there unless it's for class, and even then I dont feel like making that long ass drive out there.

Ask ANYONE that goes to State, the fine to ugly girl ratio there is about a 0.5/10...it's shitty. The few times i've gone to Perimeter, i've seen x980456498706540 finer girls in about 10 minutes than I do in SEMESTERS at State, and that's only Perimeter. I can go to different places and find better looking girls, so that excuse to go to school is pretty much out the window.

O believe me, the bills are there, thats nothing new. If I was still in high school, where I didnt have any bills, that'd be a different story :DI dunno man, this semester the prettier ones have coming out of hiding, last semester I would have agreed with you. But now i see lots more actually decent, good looking chicks every day, its kind of odd to tell you the truth lol.

[David88vert]

Some jobs require a degree - like a doctor or lawyer. Obviously, you need college for that.

I did not need it, and make very good money without it. I am in IT, and the college grads get to do what I say....

It's all in how agressive you are. Usually, the aggressive ones go to college...

[PhAtBoYMr2]

become a drug lord. They seem to bring in the cheese

[SL65AMG]

^^ Wise advice...for a dumbass

[{X}Echo419]

I wish I had time to tell you about all the people that I know that have a "Degree" and still work @ the mall or wait tables. on the other hand I know just as many people that just graduated HS and make 10x more than my friends with degrees.

if you decide to go to school I would advise 2 things to you.

1. don't go with the idea that you'll graduate and be instantly making the big bucks. ex: the avg. Business major grad makes $32K per year. and you can get a job as a firefighter, garbageman, cop, a damn sales person just about anywhere.
2. don't waste your $$$ on a big name school. studies have shown that it dosen't matter if you went to Harvard or KSU the same degree generally yeilds the same pay. :2cents:

[4dmin]

1. don't go with the idea that you'll graduate and be instantly making the big bucks. ex: the avg. Business major grad makes $32K per year. and you can get a job as a firefighter, garbageman, cop, a damn sales person just about anywhere.

2. don't waste your $$$ on a big name school. studies have shown that it dosen't matter if you went to Harvard or KSU the same degree generally yeilds the same pay. :2cents:

Funny you mention two high paying jobs there with a few that make a 1/3 of them... my father is a garbage man and he makes 80k a year and my mother cleared 90k by may of 06 and she is in sales ;)

Job titles mean nothing thats the first clue... there are tons of jobs that require no degree that can make you 75-100+ a year: garbageman, crane operator, air traffic controller, etc... sales has always been where the money is but you need to be good at it... you can make 30-200+ realisticly if your good.

Brand name school are good for brand name jobs... you going to be a doctor/lawyer don't go for the easiest school possible b/c the opportunites are greater and more challenging at the larger brand name schools. For jobs like IT most don't care if you have a Tech/UNIV/State degree as long as its a piece of paper. ;)

[ironchef]

Funny you mention two high paying jobs there with a few that make a 1/3 of them... my father is a garbage man and he makes 80k a year and my mother cleared 90k by may of 06 and she is in sales ;)

Job titles mean nothing thats the first clue... there are tons of jobs that require no degree that can make you 75-100+ a year: garbageman, crane operator, air traffic controller, etc... sales has always been where the money is but you need to be good at it... you can make 30-200+ realisticly if your good.

Brand name school are good for brand name jobs... you going to be a doctor/lawyer don't go for the easiest school possible b/c the opportunites are greater and more challenging at the larger brand name schools. For jobs like IT most don't care if you have a Tech/UNIV/State degree as long as its a piece of paper. ;)You mean to tell me the people that come by my house and pick up the garbage on wednesday mornings make 80k? I could understand garbagemen making decent money as its not a job many people want to do, but 80k?

[4dmin]

You mean to tell me the people that come by my house and pick up the garbage on wednesday mornings make 80k? I could understand garbagemen making decent money as its not a job many people want to do, but 80k?

no... the drivers start in the 40+k range, guys slinging are alot of times temps... but commerical drivers can easilly make 60+k... my dad has been a truck driver forever w/ a flawless driving record not a single ticket or accident in his life... not many make 80k doing what he does but some do. he is paid on production on how many boxes he can pull, so he goes in at like 2-4am. he actually was a manager for a while but he made less money and went back to driving. :goodjob:

[ISAtlanta300]

Ive been at State for 3 years, and I have never gone to a SINGLE party at State, and no it's not because i'm not outgoing. If you don't live on campus, your pretty much fucked as far as parties go. I don't go down there unless it's for class, and even then I dont feel like making that long ass drive out there.

Ask ANYONE that goes to State, the fine to ugly girl ratio there is about a 0.5/10...it's shitty. The few times i've gone to Perimeter, i've seen x980456498706540 finer girls in about 10 minutes than I do in SEMESTERS at State, and that's only Perimeter. I can go to different places and find better looking girls, so that excuse to go to school is pretty much out the window.

O believe me, the bills are there, thats nothing new. If I was still in high school, where I didnt have any bills, that'd be a different story :D


At least you have a choice of girls. You may find yourself in an office with only the donut eating 500 pound secretary to look at for the rest of your carreer.

[C22H19N3O4]

I wish I had time to tell you about all the people that I know that have a "Degree" and still work @ the mall or wait tables. on the other hand I know just as many people that just graduated HS and make 10x more than my friends with degrees.

if you decide to go to school I would advise 2 things to you.

1. don't go with the idea that you'll graduate and be instantly making the big bucks. ex: the avg. Business major grad makes $32K per year. and you can get a job as a firefighter, garbageman, cop, a damn sales person just about anywhere.
2. don't waste your $$$ on a big name school. studies have shown that it dosen't matter if you went to Harvard or KSU the same degree generally yeilds the same pay. :2cents:


:lmfao: :lmfao: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[JRDman]

Well... im in the middle of this debate with myself and have realized this.

life never goes as planned, atleast for me. so when I was sitting at a desk at Brookwood I wanted to go to Lanier tech then transfer to clemson and bla bla bla. ya things have changed and now that most of my schooling is done and im deciding to take my chances with just a 2 year or go full time student im realizing for me, it will be smarter to go with the 2 year.Ive never been big for school, make decent grades and all my teachers have loved me. BUT, i spent all my time during class building cars in my head, designing parts and writing down setups, ideas for ways to promote my business , etc. so im planning to just get a basic degree to have some what of a back up and then also make my parents happy, because they did help me out with a kick ass place to stay.

but a piece of info. ive learned is do what YOU want, do what fits you. To me life is my education and I wouldnt trade what has happened with anything in my life for anything.Because everytime something has happened whether good or bad Ive met someone or something that has helped me in some way shape or form. I mean hell my attorney that is helping me out with my speeding ticket is having me make over his car.... life is full of oppertunities if you just know where to find them. so personally Id rather make 60k a year doing something i love and cant wait to get up for every day rather than make 80k and hate it + have to spend a few more years getting some degree.


but everyone is different and everyone has their own feelings.

-CJ

[edstorm]

college helps.. I've known some friends who did school and did a business so if you really wanted to, you can do both, but realize that the college is better in the long run. it gives you better opportunities in advancement and definitely allows you to go past 100k easy and fast once you have experience. But like everyone says, you can easily get jobs that pay that much and more if you are good in what you do.

And going to a good college helps in many ways... personal experience... I know friends who earn so much more because they went to a good college over the other. The connections you get in school are also priceless. I mean if you can go to schools like Tech for free(hope)... why not?.. the people you meet there will most likely be making it big in the future. The alumni network helps as well if you go to a name brand school. There probably isn't an alumni gathering in no brand schools.(reason no money comes in for donations:)) got a pal in harvard and he's friends with the sons or big ceos and owners. Those contacts HAVE to help one day. it will help career wise or party wise .. so its good eitherwise...

college just helps you get something on the resume... it shows to a company that you can accomplish something... that's about it... they're thinking... if this guy could survive the shit hole that is college... he can probably survive this job i am offering him....

just my 2 cents...

ps. and if you really want to make money easy ... honestly.. go be a florida certified public adjuster... they make 10% of every check you represent for a client in a hurricane or property damamge... and trust me.. EVERYONE wants more money for hurricane damage and being a professional at negotiating with insurance companies will make you tons of money and you don't even need a degree for it...my friend got offered 70,000 right off .... and his collegue makes 250,000+ and has the crazy car to prove it....

[Wurm]

I want to slang rocks for a living

[edstorm]

yeah and being stuck in a dead end job is worst than college....shit.. at least you don't have to go to class if you don't want to and it won't count against you.

[gtikid]

I dunno man, this semester the prettier ones have coming out of hiding, last semester I would have agreed with you. But now i see lots more actually decent, good looking chicks every day, its kind of odd to tell you the truth lol.

Hahaha k i'm gonna have to agree with you on that one...the ratio this year has gone up to: 1/10 :lmfao:. But even then it's still VERY UNIMPRESSIVE ya kno. Like I said, i went to perimeter this year to eat lunch with some friends and I was just like :eek: everywhere :goodjob:

[gtikid]

Some jobs require a degree - like a doctor or lawyer. Obviously, you need college for that.

I did not need it, and make very good money without it. I am in IT, and the college grads get to do what I say....

It's all in how agressive you are. Usually, the aggressive ones go to college...

Thats the EXACT same way I think. I don't wanna be a lawyer, a doctor, a surgeon, a biochemist or shit like that. That shit just seems sooooooooo boring and like it would suck your whole life away. I'd rather be a happy family man than a filthy rich loner :goodjob:

OMG I would love to get into IT or something along those lines ;). I completely agree with you, it all depends how aggressive you are. You just have to be aggressive at whatever you do. I'm not saying i'm gonna ditch school to go flip burgers. Fuck no. If I get out of school, it'd be to dedicate myself to something else :goodjob:

[gtikid]

become a drug lord. They seem to bring in the cheese

Hey i'm Colombian and it does seem to run in my blood right? :lmfao:

Good choice Mark and i'll DEFINITELY take it into consideration :goodjob:

:lmfao:

[gtikid]

I wish I had time to tell you about all the people that I know that have a "Degree" and still work @ the mall or wait tables. on the other hand I know just as many people that just graduated HS and make 10x more than my friends with degrees.

if you decide to go to school I would advise 2 things to you.

1. don't go with the idea that you'll graduate and be instantly making the big bucks. ex: the avg. Business major grad makes $32K per year. and you can get a job as a firefighter, garbageman, cop, a damn sales person just about anywhere.
2. don't waste your $$$ on a big name school. studies have shown that it dosen't matter if you went to Harvard or KSU the same degree generally yeilds the same pay. :2cents:

Yea man, believe me i've heard the EXACT same stories. I had a friend that worked at Carmax, and one of his co-workers graduated from State with a degree in Bio or Chemistry or something along those lines, and the dude was still working at Carmax, wtf?! And yes i have plenty of friends from high school that are making LOTS of money :crazy:

O and believe me, I do not have the mindset at all that i'll graduate and be Mr. Fucking Big Baller and shit. For some reason my parents think that, and i'm pretty sure most peoples parents think that :???: :thinking:? I dunno if it's b/c we're immigrants and they THINK my degree is gonna come with a bonus check in it or what, lol.

And again, i also completely agree with your number 2. It's all about the drive you have. If you graduated and keep "hustling" and working and trying to make a name for yourself, then you're eventually gonna do it. But if, let's say you graduate from Harvard, and expect people to just drop off job offers and shit like that at your door, your mistake. It's all about your inner "hustle" :goodjob:

[gtikid]

Funny you mention two high paying jobs there with a few that make a 1/3 of them... my father is a garbage man and he makes 80k a year and my mother cleared 90k by may of 06 and she is in sales ;)

Job titles mean nothing thats the first clue... there are tons of jobs that require no degree that can make you 75-100+ a year: garbageman, crane operator, air traffic controller, etc... sales has always been where the money is but you need to be good at it... you can make 30-200+ realisticly if your good.

Brand name school are good for brand name jobs... you going to be a doctor/lawyer don't go for the easiest school possible b/c the opportunites are greater and more challenging at the larger brand name schools. For jobs like IT most don't care if you have a Tech/UNIV/State degree as long as its a piece of paper. ;)

VERY good advice Paul :goodjob:...especially the one about IT ;)

[gtikid]

At least you have a choice of girls. You may find yourself in an office with only the donut eating 500 pound secretary to look at for the rest of your carreer.

Hey man, an ugly girl is just as ugly as any other ugly girl :lmfao:

[gtikid]

Well... im in the middle of this debate with myself and have realized this.

life never goes as planned, atleast for me. so when I was sitting at a desk at Brookwood I wanted to go to Lanier tech then transfer to clemson and bla bla bla. ya things have changed and now that most of my schooling is done and im deciding to take my chances with just a 2 year or go full time student im realizing for me, it will be smarter to go with the 2 year.Ive never been big for school, make decent grades and all my teachers have loved me. BUT, i spent all my time during class building cars in my head, designing parts and writing down setups, ideas for ways to promote my business , etc. so im planning to just get a basic degree to have some what of a back up and then also make my parents happy, because they did help me out with a kick ass place to stay.

but a piece of info. ive learned is do what YOU want, do what fits you. To me life is my education and I wouldnt trade what has happened with anything in my life for anything.Because everytime something has happened whether good or bad Ive met someone or something that has helped me in some way shape or form. I mean hell my attorney that is helping me out with my speeding ticket is having me make over his car.... life is full of oppertunities if you just know where to find them. so personally Id rather make 60k a year doing something i love and cant wait to get up for every day rather than make 80k and hate it + have to spend a few more years getting some degree.


but everyone is different and everyone has their own feelings.

-CJ

Good advice, and I also agree with you too. If you can take those opportunities that are thrown at you, that are sometimes hard to see, and you can make something out of them, that is fucking awesome and that's what'll matters b/c everything in life is an opportunity. Again, the example of a GSU and Harvard graduate. Sure Harvard would look better on a resume, but if a GSU student has a good opportunity thrown at him and is capable of turning and milking that opportunity, he is the winner in the long run :goodjob:

And I also agree with you on doing what you love. I personally don't wanna be doing some shitty as job for the rest of my life, literally working my life away, just to make some more money. I'd choose the same route you did, making less money, but living a lot happier life. Because truthfully in the end, what's the whole point of life? I'm pretty sure life is a lot better when we're happy :goodjob:

[gtikid]

college helps.. I've known some friends who did school and did a business so if you really wanted to, you can do both, but realize that the college is better in the long run. it gives you better opportunities in advancement and definitely allows you to go past 100k easy and fast once you have experience. But like everyone says, you can easily get jobs that pay that much and more if you are good in what you do.

And going to a good college helps in many ways... personal experience... I know friends who earn so much more because they went to a good college over the other. The connections you get in school are also priceless. I mean if you can go to schools like Tech for free(hope)... why not?.. the people you meet there will most likely be making it big in the future. The alumni network helps as well if you go to a name brand school. There probably isn't an alumni gathering in no brand schools.(reason no money comes in for donations:)) got a pal in harvard and he's friends with the sons or big ceos and owners. Those contacts HAVE to help one day. it will help career wise or party wise .. so its good eitherwise...

college just helps you get something on the resume... it shows to a company that you can accomplish something... that's about it... they're thinking... if this guy could survive the shit hole that is college... he can probably survive this job i am offering him....

just my 2 cents...

ps. and if you really want to make money easy ... honestly.. go be a florida certified public adjuster... they make 10% of every check you represent for a client in a hurricane or property damamge... and trust me.. EVERYONE wants more money for hurricane damage and being a professional at negotiating with insurance companies will make you tons of money and you don't even need a degree for it...my friend got offered 70,000 right off .... and his collegue makes 250,000+ and has the crazy car to prove it....

Advice taken...i wouldn't mind living in Florida :lmfao: :goodjob:


yeah and being stuck in a dead end job is worst than college....shit.. at least you don't have to go to class if you don't want to and it won't count against you.

This will only happen if you don't have a drive, a motivation, a "hustle" (legal or illegal...preferrably legal, haha). If you drop out and don't want to do anything and your lazy, and that is your reason for dropping out, then yes your gonna have the job you mention. But if you drop out and start looking for alternatives, then shit, you could end up being your own boss, setting the rules, and making good money :goodjob:

[Hektik]

Going to school is always a plus i give su something to fall back on in case ur business or what ever else u have planned doesnt work out. thats the only reason im scarred of starting my own business right now becasue i really have nothing to fall back on. how ever a degree isnt the only way to make money. its all in what u decide and what u want for ur self and ur family. caus eu can make 150k a year but never be home or u can make 60-80k a year and go on vacation with ur fam all the time but keep in mind if ur only making 40k a year it will be a little harder to be happy. people can say all day that money doesnt buy happiness but being broke brings alot of problems not only with u but ur fam. im not saying u need to get a PHD but something to fall back on while u get back up. like i said and like ive spoken with u about i want to strat my own business but falling right now would not be a good thing for me shit im to deep all ready haha. either way bro just be real careful what choice u make.

[{X}Echo419]

Ive been at State for 3 years, and I have never gone to a SINGLE party at State, and no it's not because i'm not outgoing. If you don't live on campus, your pretty much fucked as far as parties go. I don't go down there unless it's for class, and even then I dont feel like making that long ass drive out there.

Ask ANYONE that goes to State, the fine to ugly girl ratio there is about a 0.5/10...it's shitty. The few times i've gone to Perimeter, i've seen x980456498706540 finer girls in about 10 minutes than I do in SEMESTERS at State, and that's only Perimeter. I can go to different places and find better looking girls, so that excuse to go to school is pretty much out the window.

O believe me, the bills are there, thats nothing new. If I was still in high school, where I didnt have any bills, that'd be a different story :D

:wtf: dude, you need to hang-out @ the student center around lunch time or around the Sci(Bio/Chem) buildings. there are more HOTT AZN CHIX there than almost everyother place I've ever been to!!!
they're all trying to get into Pharmacy school(litterally). you just gotta know where to look :boobies: :yes:

[ahmonrah]

i can say from my own experiences, having a college degree is great for a fallback plan/launchin pad in life. not that i'm doing poorly, but i'd be personally further along had i went to college straight from HS like i planned. my girl went to GAtech as a civil engineer and at 28yrs old she's knocking at 70k.
had i went to embry riddell aeronautical institute, i was guaranteed a NASA POSITION post military due to training in avionics and would've made that amount at 25yrs. couldnt afford to do it. so blah. but i'm pursuining my degree in electronic engineering after "doing my own thing" at 28 as opposed to then so.......i've got too many electronics ideas flying thru my head, and i need the engineering background to design them.

[AWD OWNZ U]

I wish I had time to tell you about all the people that I know that have a "Degree" and still work @ the mall or wait tables. on the other hand I know just as many people that just graduated HS and make 10x more than my friends with degrees.

if you decide to go to school I would advise 2 things to you.

1. don't go with the idea that you'll graduate and be instantly making the big bucks. ex: the avg. Business major grad makes $32K per year. and you can get a job as a firefighter, garbageman, cop, a damn sales person just about anywhere.
2. don't waste your $$$ on a big name school. studies have shown that it dosen't matter if you went to Harvard or KSU the same degree generally yeilds the same pay. :2cents:

I disagree. You can certainly go to college and be a failure but that doesn't mean it's not added value to you. If you don't have drive you will not go anywhere in life regardless of education.

Big name schools do open doors. Every time I hear someone say they don't they are usually trying to justify where they went to school. Keep in mind that big name schools are usually good in certain areas. Like if you go to Harvard and get an engineering degree it's not going to help you that much. If know what you want to do pick a school that is good at your major and that will take you a long way. I went to the career fair here at GA Tech (where I'm getting my masters) and at least three recuiters said, "Oh you went to Michigan?" and proceed to tell me they only recuit from 3-5 schools two of them being Michigan and GA Tech. It may or may not pay off in salary but it will definitely help you get an interview.

JC

[{X}Echo419]

I disagree. You can certainly go to college and be a failure but that doesn't mean it's not added value to you. If you don't have drive you will not go anywhere in life regardless of education.

Big name schools do open doors. Every time I hear someone say they don't they are usually trying to justify where they went to school. Keep in mind that big name schools are usually good in certain areas. Like if you go to Harvard and get an engineering degree it's not going to help you that much. If know what you want to do pick a school that is good at your major and that will take you a long way. I went to the career fair here at GA Tech (where I'm getting my masters) and at least three recuiters said, "Oh you went to Michigan?" and proceed to tell me they only recuit from 3-5 schools two of them being Michigan and GA Tech. It may or may not pay off in salary but it will definitely help you get an interview.

JC

Some disadvantages of a large school are the enormous sized classes. It's likely you can have a class with 900 people. No matter what you say or how many questions you ask in class, the professor won't know your name. Many classes are taught by Teacher's Assistants, which means you are not getting as high a quality as you would like. At a large university you are just a number to some people, and you can get lost in the crowd. Finally, all professors think they are hot shots and care more about their own research than helping students.

Small universities on the other hand have smaller classes. These smaller classes may put more emphasis on learning and hands-on experience. they have more individualized majors. It is not a set curriculum that thousands of people follow every semester. With smaller classes students are able to get to know their professors better. This is great from when its time to find letters of recommendation. Try getting a letter from a teacher when you were just one of 900 students in the class.

Most employeers realize that a student is more likely to get a quality education and not just pass the test in a smaller school(ie smaller class) than in a Large school where he/her is read lectures by TA's.

btw: how much is GaTech per symester? like 10-20K?

[ironchef]

Some disadvantages of a large school are the enormous sized classes. It's likely you can have a class with 900 people. No matter what you say or how many questions you ask in class, the professor won't know your name. Many classes are taught by Teacher's Assistants, which means you are not getting as high a quality as you would like. At a large university you are just a number to some people, and you can get lost in the crowd. Finally, all professors think they are hot shots and care more about their own research than helping students.

Small universities on the other hand have smaller classes. These smaller classes may put more emphasis on learning and hands-on experience. they have more individualized majors. It is not a set curriculum that thousands of people follow every semester. With smaller classes students are able to get to know their professors better. This is great from when its time to find letters of recommendation. Try getting a letter from a teacher when you were just one of 900 students in the class.

Most employeers realize that a student is more likely to get a quality education and not just pass the test in a smaller school(ie smaller class) than in a Large school where he/her is read lectures by TA's.

btw: how much is GaTech per symester? like 10-20K?Um, Tech instate tuition is $1,950 iirc, its the same as all the other universities in GA, and thats what mine was and i go to state.

[{X}Echo419]

I just found that in state is $2,689 and out of state is $9,653. sry I should have done this first.

[ironchef]

I just found that in state is $2,689 and out of state is $9,653. sry I should have done this first.Thats including all the fees right? Actual tuition itself should be around the number I wrote.

[{X}Echo419]

Thats including all the fees right? Actual tuition itself should be around the number I wrote.

I donno, it didn't say. besides it's what you wind up paying total that matters anyways.
I'm willing to conceed that these #'s are w/fees

[ironchef]

I donno, it didn't say. besides it's what you wind up paying total that matters anyways.
I'm willing to conceed that these #'s are w/feesYea thats true, i was just wondering.

[Julio]

Dont matter if you have a degree or not. All in life is how hard and "SMART" you work.
I know more people with degrees that do something else then I know that stick to there degree, is crazy and a waste of time in my book.

[AWD OWNZ U]

Some disadvantages of a large school are the enormous sized classes. It's likely you can have a class with 900 people. No matter what you say or how many questions you ask in class, the professor won't know your name. Many classes are taught by Teacher's Assistants, which means you are not getting as high a quality as you would like. At a large university you are just a number to some people, and you can get lost in the crowd. Finally, all professors think they are hot shots and care more about their own research than helping students.

I don't recall ever having a 900 person class and Michigan is one of the largest universities in the US. Ya there were classes that were maybe 400 people but those are far and away the minority. I had only one class that big while I was there. All of my in major classes were taught by professors. Class sizes were usually 30-40 students. That might seem like a lot but almost all my professors knew me by name, if you sit near the front, participate in class, and attend office hours it's pretty easy to get to know your professors. Most everyone in the department knew each other. There are a lot of people at the school but the departments make a concerted effort to give a more community feeling within. That all professors only care about their research is a myth that is simply not true. Certainly there are a few but A LOT of professors really enjoy teaching and take great pride in it. You also get the chance to interact first hand with people who are extremely prominent and well known in their field.


Small universities on the other hand have smaller classes. These smaller classes may put more emphasis on learning and hands-on experience. they have more individualized majors. It is not a set curriculum that thousands of people follow every semester. With smaller classes students are able to get to know their professors better. This is great from when its time to find letters of recommendation. Try getting a letter from a teacher when you were just one of 900 students in the class.

I've never attended a small school outside of a few courses at a community college so I can't speak first hand as to what it's like. I have to say though your characterization of a large school is simply wrong, at least at Michigan. It can feel overwhelming your first year or two but once you settle in and really start taking in major courses you get the feel of a much smaller school. Not to mention you neglect the perks of a huge school. Ever been to a football game with a 113,000+ people at it? It's something you will never get a small school.


Most employeers realize that a student is more likely to get a quality education and not just pass the test in a smaller school(ie smaller class) than in a Large school where he/her is read lectures by TA's.

I disagree and I'd like to know what you base this on. I've never had any employeer or person in industry tell me anything of the sort.


btw: how much is GaTech per symester? like 10-20K?

I don't pay for GA Tech but like was mentioned it's a pretty cheap school. I don't consider it a large school though. IIRC Michigan is twice as big, our campus is probably almost 3x as large. Michigan is ~5k in-state and ~15k out-of-state for tution and fees. Lloyd Carr doesn't cheap. lol

[C22H19N3O4]

I disagree and I'd like to know what you base this on.



Everything he utters is baseless, which is why I laughed when he compared Harvard to KSU.

Who couldn't benefit from a post-secondary education? Whether it's a 2 year or 4 year degree, you will put it to good use at some point. You want to own a business? An accounting degree doesn't hurt. Perhaps you want to tutor your kids when they have homework issues? Unfortunately, the last book you read was Huckleberry Finn and barely passed high school geometry. I find it amusing that people who never had (or have) the mental capacity to flourish in college are now sitting on the sidelines devaluing its worth. You get what YOU put into it. Don't expect the college to hold your hand through four years so you can have some sort of "Saved By the Bell:The College Years" experience. If you feel college is not for you, then dropout for a semester or two and do some soul searching. College is not just about the "formal" education.


You also get the chance to interact first hand with people who are extremely prominent and well known in their field.

The reason most college students don't experience that is b/c they are too busy complaining about their 2 years of core classes. I guess that's the reason most dropout as freshmen or sophomores. At least it frees up finanical aid for those who really need it.

[RandomGuy]

Hahaha k i'm gonna have to agree with you on that one...the ratio this year has gone up to: 1/10 :lmfao:. But even then it's still VERY UNIMPRESSIVE ya kno. Like I said, i went to perimeter this year to eat lunch with some friends and I was just like :eek: everywhere :goodjob:
right you are bro... u need to check out lawrenceville campus lolz :) even dunwoody campus lol thats where i go

[{X}Echo419]

I don't recall ever having a 900 person class and Michigan is one of the largest universities in the US. Ya there were classes that were maybe 400 people but those are far and away the minority. I had only one class that big while I was there. All of my in major classes were taught by professors. Class sizes were usually 30-40 students. That might seem like a lot but almost all my professors knew me by name, if you sit near the front, participate in class, and attend office hours it's pretty easy to get to know your professors. Most everyone in the department knew each other. There are a lot of people at the school but the departments make a concerted effort to give a more community feeling within. That all professors only care about their research is a myth that is simply not true. Certainly there are a few but A LOT of professors really enjoy teaching and take great pride in it. You also get the chance to interact first hand with people who are extremely prominent and well known in their field.

400/900 is there really a difference? in a class that big you might as well get your degree online.




I've never attended a small school outside of a few courses at a community college so I can't speak first hand as to what it's like. I have to say though your characterization of a large school is simply wrong, at least at Michigan. It can feel overwhelming your first year or two but once you settle in and really start taking in major courses you get the feel of a much smaller school. Not to mention you neglect the perks of a huge school. Ever been to a football game with a 113,000+ people at it? It's something you will never get a small school.

SWEET! I didn't know I could put all my trips to Sanford Stadium on my resume! NASA here I come!


I disagree and I'd like to know what you base this on. I've never had any employeer or person in industry tell me anything of the sort.

the President of my Company will be in town tomorrow. you could ask him.


I don't pay for GA Tech but like was mentioned it's a pretty cheap school. I don't consider it a large school though. IIRC Michigan is twice as big, our campus is probably almost 3x as large. Michigan is ~5k in-state and ~15k out-of-state for tution and fees. Lloyd Carr doesn't cheap. lol

as I posted above "in-state" Tech is pretty cheap. but for out of state students it's a little pricey.

[{X}Echo419]

Dont matter if you have a degree or not. All in life is how hard and "SMART" you work.
I know more people with degrees that do something else then I know that stick to there degree, is crazy and a waste of time in my book.

we can debate this all day but what Julio said pretty much sums it up. :goodjob:

[AWD OWNZ U]

400/900 is there really a difference? in a class that big you might as well get your degree online.

What the hell? That doesn't make any sense. So because you have ONE class that is big you should get your entire degree online? That's one of the most asinine things I've ever heard.


SWEET! I didn't know I could put all my trips to Sanford Stadium on my resume! NASA here I come!

I learned early on and that if you went to Michigan you should at least follow the team because you will get asked. "Soft skills" are just as important in life as "hard skills" and being able to carry on a personable conversation about non-work items is important. Oh and since you mentioned it "Oh wow you went to Michigan." - NASA recruiter


the President of my Company will be in town tomorrow. you could ask him.

I could try but the last time I asked for the president at Walmart they laughed at me. Maybe if I mentioned you?


as I posted above "in-state" Tech is pretty cheap. but for out of state students it's a little pricey.

Unless you get financial aide which most students do.


we can debate this all day but what Julio said pretty much sums it up. :goodjob:

Not really. I don't really care what you do with you life it's your decision, but I know there are plenty of people on this board who are of the age where they need to decide where to go to school. To convince those people that going to Kennesaw State (picked randomly) is as good or even better than GA Tech or UGA is disingenuous at best and down right irresponsible at worst. If you decide to move out of Georgia no one will even have heard of Kennesaw but GA Tech or UGA will still carry weight.


Everything he utters is baseless, which is why I laughed when he compared Harvard to KSU.

Ya I'm getting that.

[{X}Echo419]

What the hell? That doesn't make any sense. So because you have ONE class that is big you should get your entire degree online? That's one of the most asinine things I've ever heard.

Comence question dodging! did I say ^that^? maybe you should have payed more attention in your 399 person English class...


I learned early on and that if you went to Michigan you should at least follow the team because you will get asked. "Soft skills" are just as important in life as "hard skills" and being able to carry on a personable conversation about non-work items is important. Oh and since you mentioned it "Oh wow you went to Michigan." - NASA recruiter

I'm definitally going to use that when the misses starts bitching about me watching football. "Baby, I'm preparing myself for an interview."


I could try but the last time I asked for the president at Walmart they laughed at me. Maybe if I mentioned you?

a. me Wal-Mart? not hardly pal :lmfao: . b. think about what you just said....Wal-Mart is the LARGEST RETAILER IN THE WORLD! thus the President of Wal-Mart would be a pretty important guy. if you ever take another econimics class get a seat a more to the front ot the auditorium.


Unless you get financial aide which most students do.
and most students have to pay it back with intrest soooo.... that would make it a little more expensive. Econ 1101 :goodjob:



Not really. I don't really care what you do with you life it's your decision, but I know there are plenty of people on this board who are of the age where they need to decide where to go to school. To convince those people that going to Kennesaw State (picked randomly) is as good or even better than GA Tech or UGA is disingenuous at best and down right irresponsible at worst. If you decide to move out of Georgia no one will even have heard of Kennesaw but GA Tech or UGA will still carry weight.

I could careless what others here do. I was just expressing an opinion. one with facts and supporting evidence. you on the otherhand are arguing with, "Michigan is a BIG school, BUNCHES of students, and a Division 1 Football team." :goodjob:

[AWD OWNZ U]

Comence question dodging! did I say ^that^? maybe you should have payed more attention in your 399 person English class...

It was chemistry. To answer you question yes there is a huge difference. And you asserted that you "might as well get your degree online." Which is what I responded to. At least pretend to stand by your ridiculuos assertions.


a. me Wal-Mart? not hardly pal :lmfao: . b. think about what you just said....Wal-Mart is the LARGEST RETAILER IN THE WORLD! thus the President of Wal-Mart would be a pretty important guy. if you ever take another econimics class get a seat a more to the front ot the auditorium.

Well since your "facts" were ask my boss and you failed to tell me where you work, I could only assume. It wasn't a dig on Walmart. So where do you work?


and most students have to pay it back with intrest soooo.... that would make it a little more expensive. Econ 1101 :goodjob:

I was refering to grants not loans.


I could careless what others here do. I was just expressing an opinion. one with facts and supporting evidence. you on the otherhand are arguing with, "Michigan is a BIG school, BUNCHES of students, and a Division 1 Football team." :goodjob:

Nothing you have said has come anywhere close to resembling a fact nor evidence.

I'll help you out, this is evidence...
http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/aid-7823/raname-SALARY/rid-70/fid-6886
A University of Phoenix graduate makes half of what a Harvard grad makes.

All you've done is make baseless accusations about what it's like to attend a large university. I actually went to one so I related my actual experience about what's it's really like. So where did you go to college?

[{X}Echo419]

It was chemistry. To answer you question yes there is a huge difference. And you asserted that you "might as well get your degree online." Which is what I responded to. At least pretend to stand by your ridiculuos assertions.



Well since your "facts" were ask my boss and you failed to tell me where you work, I could only assume. It wasn't a dig on Walmart. So where do you work?



I was refering to grants not loans.



Nothing you have said has come anywhere close to resembling a fact nor evidence.

I'll help you out, this is evidence...
http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/aid-7823/raname-SALARY/rid-70/fid-6886
A University of Phoenix graduate makes half of what a Harvard grad makes.

All you've done is make baseless accusations about what it's like to attend a large university. I actually went to one so I related my actual experience about what's it's really like. So where did you go to college?

some articles by people that went to "BIG" schools.
http://www.math.uiowa.edu/~jsimon/WhichCollegeIsRight.html
http://www.positions21.com/Positions/College-University/Large_Vs._Small_Universities_By_David_Lithman.html
and Slate did an article on this very topic. So have several "BIG" Universities. you went to a BIG school. you should be able to find some.

the University of Phoenix is a "on-line" school that advertises on cable tv. and to think you were getting on to me for comparing KSU to Harvard. that's like compareing a little league team in Ga to the Yankees and say, "See people up north can play baseball better."

Specialty Products and Insulation

I went to UGA.

I make baseless accusations? you just told me that going to football games can get you a job! come on...

[{X}Echo419]

ya know, this is getting old.

I like others here that I've quoted believe school is what you make it. you apparently think the "size" of the school is the key to success.

you have your opinions I have mine. it doesn't look like either 1 of us is going to change it. lets end this disscusion.

[AWD OWNZ U]

http://www.math.uiowa.edu/~jsimon/WhichCollegeIsRight.html


When advising students on how to select a graduate school, I usually tell people to "go to the best place that will give you money"; in other words, go to the best place that will accept you with the expectation that you will succeed strongly (not minimally). The same advice seems appropriate in selecting a college: go to the most demanding and competitive school in which you're likely to do very well.


http://www.positions21.com/Positions/College-University/Large_Vs._Small_Universities_By_David_Lithman.html

That's some 23 yr old blogger. Are you serious?

Here you go, here's a paper by a Harvard Professor...
http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/whole.pdf


the University of Phoenix is a "on-line" school that advertises on cable tv. and to think you were getting on to me for comparing KSU to Harvard. that's like compareing a little league team in Ga to the Yankees and say, "See people up north can play baseball better."

You were the one who said "you might as well get a degree online." Also I didn't say anything about you comparing KSU to Harvard that was somebody else.


Specialty Products and Insulation

I went to UGA.

So did you have any classes with 900 people in them?


I make baseless accusations? you just told me that going to football games can get you a job! come on...

Now you are putting words in my mouth. I said that one of the things you miss out by going to a small school is big time athletics and that I do get asked about it when people find out I went to Michigan. How you infered it will get you a job out of that is beyond me.


ya know, this is getting old.

I like others here that I've quoted believe school is what you make it. you apparently think the "size" of the school is the key to success.

you have your opinions I have mine. it doesn't look like either 1 of us is going to change it. lets end this disscusion.

I think part of the problem is we are arguing two different things at the same time. Without a doubt in my mind it is worth it to go to a big name school as in prestige not size of the student body. There are many scholarships available for students who can't afford it and you get a better quality of education IMO. Most of those school also happen to be large schools population wise. I think a lot of people are needless put off from these schools because of fears of all the crap you've been saying. A large school might not be for everyone but a lot of the reasons people give are simply not true. I'm not saying that it's best that everyone go to the biggest school population wise but if you have the opportunity to attend a selective/big name school like GA Tech or UGA you should do it IMO.

[C22H19N3O4]

You can CLEARLY tell ECHO never went to college. IF he did, he dropped out and is speaking from the vantage point of a hapless fry cook. No offense to fry cooks. :D

I remember he said he was working on his masters a few months ago, but now he is pointing out that a college education is worthless. :lmfao:

I believe he works as a janitor and/or server. Read his past posts where he's looking for jobs. This is a guy who thinks GSU has a pharmacy school. :lmfao:

He and Laurence Fishburne won't be winning any local spelling bees in the foreseeable future. :yes:

[{X}Echo419]

You can CLEARLY tell ECHO never went to college. IF he did, he dropped out and is speaking from the vantage point of a hapless fry cook. No offense to fry cooks. :D

I remember he said he was working on his masters a few months ago, but now he is pointing out that a college education is worthless. :lmfao:

I believe he works as a janitor and/or server. Read his past posts where he's looking for jobs. This is a guy who thinks GSU has a pharmacy school. :lmfao:

He and Laurence Fishburne won't be winning any local spelling bees in the foreseeable future. :yes:

me looking for a job here? you've been in that nail salon to long pal. those fumes will fry your brane.
and just when did I say GSU had a pharmacy school? open your eyes charlie. I said the girls @ GSU "want to be pharmacists" so they go there and major in chem and bio.


Dont matter if you have a degree or not. All in life is how hard and "SMART" you work.
I know more people with degrees that do something else then I know that stick to there degree, is crazy and a waste of time in my book.

we can debate this all day but what Julio said pretty much sums it up. :goodjob:
^that was my point he boy^

you seem to think you know alot about my posts. why is that? hmmm. ladies and gentelmen it appears that I have a stalker. :gay:

[Julio]

wow.. this shit went down left field. lol

[C22H19N3O4]

you seem to think you know alot about my posts. why is that? hmmm. ladies and gentelmen it appears that I have a stalker. :gay:


I tend to remember the mentally deficient from this forum. The top two would be you and Tasuki Civic. Obviously you are waaay ahead.


http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=59157

I believe you are looking for a job in that post. If you had a REAL degree you wouldn't have to re-enact Tom Cruise's role in Cocktail. ;)
Come on, tell me why you are seeking a masters if you don't believe in the value of a college degree. :rolleyes:

[C22H19N3O4]

wow.. this shit went down left field. lol


It happens when I have 7 days off. :cheers:

[{X}Echo419]

I tend to remember the mentally deficient from this forum. The top two would be you and Tasuki Civic. Obviously you are waaay ahead.


http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=59157

I believe you are looking for a job in that post. If you had a REAL degree you wouldn't have to re-enact Tom Cruise's role in Cocktail. ;)
Come on, tell me why you are seeking a masters if you don't believe in the value of a college degree. :rolleyes:

so, me looking for a 2nd job to make some extra cash "while in school" means what?

I didn't say that I don't believe in the value of a degree. from the way the guy that started the thread it seemed like he wasn't to big on going to school so I told him basically not to get in to deep if he decides it's not for him.

[AWD OWNZ U]

So I had an interview with Lockheed Martin today. After introductions the first thing the guy says to me is "So Michigan huh? Wow. You hit all the top aerospace schools. So you are guys are doing pretty good this year." At which point we proceeded to talk about Michigan and Ga Tech football for a couple minutes. Just like I said man...