Civic Not Starting Up!!

[The Stiffler]

So,
Here's the dilly. I got a 1993 Honda Civic DX 2 dr. It died out on me about a week or 2 ago while at a red light. Just shut off. Bastard. Anyways, it cranks and rotates but wont start up or/fire up. Iniitally I thought it was the main relay cause they always f&ck up on civics in hot weather. But it is not the main relay. I tested it. Also i smel gas, so i am sure the civic is gettin gas to the motor. But we all know it requires 3 things. Spark, Air and Fuel. I also checked to see if the timing belt was turning , and it was. So timing belt is not hte problem. Battery is good. All fuses check out okay. i dont think it would be the ECU because i know ppl that could start up the car without the ecu. so im 60% sure the ecu is not the problem. Any ideas, suggestions. or what? Let me know. Thanks!!!

[gokblok]

Youknow people who can start cars without ECU's??



anyway, my first suggestion would have been fuel relay cause ive had two go bad on me and thats honestly what it sounds like more than anythign else, what about your distributor??

[The Stiffler]

a friend of mines did it once....dont know how but he pulled it off...but also in the haynes book it has troubleshooting in the front part of the book and the ECU is not one of the problems listed in it. so.

[The Stiffler]

and later on , i am gonna check the ignition coil...and the fuel relay works fine. i checked it.

[gokblok]

Fuel pump?? bad plugs?

[BTEC]

CHECK UR ROTOR BUTTON.

[The Stiffler]

rotor button??

[BTEC]

rotor button??
TAKE UR DIZZY CAP OFF AND THE FIRST THING U SEE WILL BE UR ROTOR BUTTON. THE SCREW USUALLY COMES OUT AND THROWS UR TIMING WAY OFF. CHECK THAT OUT. DNT TAKE THE PLUG WIRES OFF THE CAP!!!!

[The Stiffler]

lemme check that right now. itll only be a few. brb.

[The Stiffler]

everything looks in place..i dont see a missing screw anywhere...any comments?

[B16a2 Civic]

stop tryna make his car blow up btec
Lol j/p
btec's the man, he knows alot

[The Stiffler]

yeah i know a lot too but this one has me puzzled. and i already took off the dizzy cap yesterday to see if the motor timing belt and if the rotor was turning and it was turning when i tried to crank it up..so its not that...what else could it be?

[BTEC]

DID U CHECK FOR SPARK? TAKE A PLUG WIRE OFF A PLUG AND HOLD THE END CLOSE TO SOMETHING METAL. SPIN MTR OVER AND SEE IF SPARK COMES OUT OF END OF WIRE.

[BTEC]

yeah i know a lot too but this one has me puzzled. and i already took off the dizzy cap yesterday to see if the motor timing belt and if the rotor was turning and it was turning when i tried to crank it up..so its not that...what else could it be?
DID IT JUMP TIME?

[2.0civic]

what im leaning toward or rotor button as you aleready said

[The Stiffler]

ill need to get someone to come crank it..can't really do both at the same time lol...watchin for spark and cranking , that is. and jump for time? im not dumb but what exacty does that mean?

[BTEC]

ill need to get someone to come crank it..can't really do both at the same time lol...watchin for spark and cranking , that is. and jump for time? im not dumb but what exacty does that mean?
ARE UR TIMING MARKS STILL LINED UP? CRANK AND CAM MARKS BOTH LINE UP AT TOP DEAD CENTER.

[The Stiffler]

wouldnt i need to take the valve cover off for this one? and im not too fond of workin on that since i'll hae to seal it again if i take it off.

[BTEC]

wouldnt i need to take the valve cover off for this one? and im not too fond of workin on that since i'll hae to seal it again if i take it off.
I WOULD RECCOMEND U TAKE IT TO MAINSTREAM BC (NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY) IF U DIDNT KNOW WHAT A ROTOR BUTTON IS AND WHAT IT MEANS IF A CAR JUMPS TIME I WOULD BE MESSING WITH IT. ILL HELP U IF U REALLY WANT TO DIY THOUGH.

[The Stiffler]

well i've neer heard of a rotor button...im not big into working on cars but i have enough common sense to know what im doing...and sure, im me on aim if you have it..

anf1tch21 im on .

peace.

[The Stiffler]

bump. no spark came out of the plug wire...what now

[BTEC]

bump. no spark came out of the plug wire...what now
PUT EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER AND SPIN THE CAR OVER. IF UR TACH NEEDLE DOES NOT BOUNCE A LITTLE BIT WHILE THE ENGINE IS SPINNING I WOULD GET A NEW DIZZY. THE IGNITOR IS IN THE DIZZY WHICH GOSE BAD BUT I THINK IT DAMN NEAR THE PRICE OF A NEW DIZZY JUST FOR THE IGNITOR.

[The Stiffler]

yeah i am gonna check the ignition coil later on and if everything is bad, im just gonna replace the dizzy and all. hopefully it'll work.

[BTEC]

yeah i am gonna check the ignition coil later on and if everything is bad, im just gonna replace the dizzy and all. hopefully it'll work.
HOW ARE U GONNA TEST THE COIL?

[The Stiffler]

i have a 92-95 civic program on the computer that tells you LITERALLY everything...over 1,000 pages of it..i read it with adobe acrobat. its nice..and it says to measure the resistance between the 2 wires in there...and then to measure resitenance between wire A and secondary wriring...somewhere along there..i'll have to read it later before i test it.

[BTEC]

i have a 92-95 civic program on the computer that tells you LITERALLY everything...over 1,000 pages of it..i read it with adobe acrobat. its nice..and it says to measure the resistance between the 2 wires in there...and then to measure resitenance between wire A and secondary wriring...somewhere along there..i'll have to read it later before i test it.
IMPRESSIVE. :yes:

I WAS JUST TESTING U.

[The Stiffler]

thanks, do i get a cookie

[The Stiffler]

ok...so i tested the ignition coil...the A and secondary was right but i am skeptical on A and B cause it was not right...is the ignition coil supposed to read to ground? let me know. thanks.

[The Stiffler]

bump for advice.

[The Stiffler]

lalalal

[The Stiffler]

ok...so i tested the ignition coil...the A and secondary was right but i am skeptical on A and B cause it was not right...is the ignition coil supposed to read to ground? let me know. thanks.

[The Stiffler]

right now i am thinking its either ignition coil or the igniter unit. can't figure out which. puzzleness!

[SLPR]

if u jumped timing, try out this diy tutorial. http://www.hondacivicforum.com/m_159828/tm.htm

[The Stiffler]

its def. not the timing...cause the car is not gettin spark...it wont fire..i tested a yellow/green wire and tested it at the other side of the engine bay to another connector and there was an open, so i corrected it and now its good, but it still wont start. ????? and when i tried cranking it up, the thermometer was bouncing up and down. sooooo i dunno what to do at this point..im thinking new distributor...

[The Stiffler]

any suggestions/advices on where to check next?

[SLPR]

i was referring to what BTEC was saying about removing the distributor, and timing maybe jumping... but check out these troubleshooters, they have quite a few related problems... http://www.hondacivicforum.com/m_100074/tm.htm

hope it helps

[The Stiffler]

they are all mostly pointing to coil and ingniter! but ehh i just want to make sure its nothing wrong with the wiring cause i am not ready to fork out that much for a new coil and igniter!!

[The Stiffler]

bumpage!

[SLPR]

i would get someone who know what theyre doin to check it out. and if the wiring wasnt the problem, id definately look into an ignitor and coil... friend of mine has a brand new, barely used dizzy for $100 even for ur year. but he had a d16z6 i believe, not sure whats in the DX's.

[SLPR]

brand new, barely used
ok i needa rephrase that lol. BARELY USED,ALMOST BRAND NEW STILL:cheers:

[The Stiffler]

sure, see if you can find out information..i am probably gonna end up buying a new dizzy

[SLPR]

sure, see if you can find out information..i am probably gonna end up buying a new dizzy

well if ur really interested, ill call him here in a few minutes and make sure hes still got it.

[civicduty]

might have one laying around if you need one just let me know

[The Stiffler]

sure...how much...or free? free gifts are awesome. i'd appreciate it. lmk. bumpage.

[ATLtech]

I'd check the ignitor first, and if it's not that, it's the coil if you're not getting any spark. The ignitor goes out alot on those civics.

[SLPR]

hit up 93DituneEX... he has a dizzy for u... tell him Jake sent u

[The Stiffler]

bump for still not working...

[The Stiffler]

YESSSSS ITS FIXED. HAHAHA . THANKS FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THOUGH!!! IT WAS THE IGNITION COIL THAT WAS BAD!! THANK GOD I DIDNT GET A NEW DIZZY!!! OH MAN I WAS SO GLAD THAT THE CAR STARTED UP. THANKS GUYS.

THE STIFFLER. :)