BUYER BEWARE: K20 IS A SHITTY SELLER

[2.0civic]

http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?p=34994115#post34994115



Car is no longer for sale, sorry guys. To all interested partys in this car, look elsewhere.


First thing is first. Owner of the car claims the Peter at ISP(import source performance in Winder) did the swap and that the swap has 90k on it. Ironically, his thread made in august for a dc shell (the big blue link below),
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=75232, the body had 130k on it. I did a little wandering as to the block VINS of the car now (the EX) and its the motor with 130k on it, not 90k as stated. There is either a: swapped cluster/dash of the odometer has been rolled back

heres the info in the thread


jh4dc434ts000359 is the block number that is in the EX now which is why he probably beat around the bush so much when questioned about some things



2nd thing. Whild doing a carfax earlier my buddy who purchased the car 3 days ago found out the chassis had 120k+ on it, not ~90k as stated in the thread.

Last week when we went to test drive the car, everything ran great and the only problem (so it seemed at the time) was a clutch slipping. The DAY that my buddy gets the loan for the car, i get a PM saying something to the effect of the cat being clogged and how its weak now. So before we got a car needing a whole exhaust system and a clutch, we went to test drive the car again and this time, Theres no power steering hardly in it (leaking pump). as im getting out of the passenger seat, i notice the door hinge is weird (loose looking and popping) so i Blatently ask "hey man, has the car been hit over here?" at which point Ben said "no its never been wrecked." The next day (tuesday 9/19) my buddy adam took the car to a friends shop who said the swap was shitty just by looking at it and said the harness was a shitty job. Well, when teng pulled the dipstick out, there wasnt even enough oil to show on the dipstick. While inspecting it more, found that the metal peice on the PS pump had attempted to be welded and that the radiator has been cracked.


Earlier tonight (wednesday 9/19), we agreed to give him the car back and him give us the check back. We meet him up there and on the way up there i was talking to a buddy that has done a transaction with Ben and said that ben told him that he has a dealers license. So while we are up there, Adam asked him who REALLY did the swap at which point he keeps saying Peter at ISP when there is NO WAY That shop did this bad of a swap and it only lasted a month without all these things fucking up. So Adam THEN asked bout why the radiator was fucked up at which point ben said that it wasnt the original and so i asked if it came out of his teg and he said yes. So he BLATENTLY lied about the mileage on the swap and the radiator is cracked from the wreck. The car is missing the resevoir too (he claims that peter has it for dyno testing his car)


Anyway, I wasted the last week fucking around on this car trying to figure out why the guy wanted $8k then took the $6500 offer and then is looking to get rid of a car thats had a swap in it for a month. The last two days i found out why. ITs because he is a dealer and the car is a peice of shit. The car needs : a clutch, a full exhuast, passenger door fixed, new radiator, and god knows what else. Consider this a buyer beware.



Ben if you got some shit to say, you have BOTH mine and adams numbers or you can pm me on here. Adam is registered here too but hes not online right now so im posting. You KNEW you had ripped him off or else that check would have already been in your bank. If ISP did do the swap, scan documentation. Im going to winder tomorrow to ask him IN PERSON so if i waste even more gas, im going to lock all your threads on here i can get to and delete every post. You also seem to have forgotten that adams bank does have a copy of your drivers license and if you ARE a dealer, im going to report this to the highest authority i can to get your license revoked.


Sorry for the long ass post everyone. Adam may be on shortly to add some things i may have forgotten


Later

Steveo


THERES THE STORY

[£G2♣]

always thought he was legit, and truthful... :thinking:, atleast you got the car returned and your money back :goodjob:

[B16a2 Civic]

make your case k20, or ban is in your future

[92tegracer07]

i watched teng go through a list of all the shit wrong with this car...im a witness to the whole thing so i can vouch the car is a POS....

[gokblok]

Whoa! who is 92tegracer07?? LIRL

[99SI]

Well in order to have a Dealers license you must, Have an office with a sign that is different from the address of your home, a telephone line that is dedicated to the lot and adress, a surity bond, must have ungodly insurance, then you must submit everything to the state for them to review very meticulously and even then not everyone is granted a license. Just wanted to let you know, he may work for a dealer or at a car lot but the odds of a shady seller, especially a young one having a dealers license is pretty slim. Used to you could get a wholesalers license, but that is a thing of the past and even wholesalers must comply with the whole deal.

[2.0civic]

ah, gotcha. last night after talking with a buddy of mine that he sold a head to (also a member here) he told chris that he was/had a dealers license. That is where that came from

[2.0civic]

Whoa! who is 92tegracer07?? LIRL


i just realized who it was. Damn, almost the entire shop crew is now registered

[92tegracer07]

so you know who i am now??? who might you be???

[92tegracer07]

nevermind...answered my own question...

[2.0civic]

so you know who i am now??? who might you be???


Steveo (charlies old neighbor). had the 95 civic, tims delsol, had the two eclipses and now i got the 2000 ek. LIRL, so you saw tengs face when he started the car?? i heard it was priceless....hows the ls/v hatch coming along up there??

[owweee]

damn i thought k20 was a good guy cause he was suppose to buy my ek mount but he never did..he said he will and need it asap but never PMed me back..=(..

[2.0civic]

car is now on CL with 90 on swap and car and on autotrader with 130 on the swap and both PS and AC work now....trying to fuck someone else now i suppose... carfax showing 110k from 4 years ago is now in his FS thread for everyone to see...shady ass fucker

[preferredduck]

he said he got salvaged cars, that is where the head came from, then i asked him if he had a license, he said yea, the head i bought did check out ok, and that SOB BLACKEJ6 has not complained of the manifold, maybe he need to stick with parts.

[£G2♣]

..........any words from k20?...

[2.0civic]

thats funny...when i asked him bout the block after ducky got the head, i was told it was blown up or somethign was wrong with the block internally...cant really remember..

[2.0civic]

idiot has it on AT with the right mileage though finally...ban coming soon hopefully

[2.0civic]

i still cant beleive he has body posted at 90k still. i need to report his ass to someone

[£G2♣]

i still cant beleive he has body posted at 90k still. i need to report his ass to someone

do it

[preferredduck]

the block spun a rod and shot it out of the side, spun the same one danny did in his old motor, the valves did tap the piston, but it seals fine and doesn't look bent, i'll find out shortly though.

[2.0civic]

9k rpm shifts in a d block FTW!!

[2.0civic]

ducky, that probably didnt help with the fact that the motor had over 110k on it....

[92tegracer07]

the ls/v hatch is coming along nice...got the motor running but the head had bent valves so it got sent off to the machine shop...its back in the car now though...and yea...i couldnt help but laugh when teng cranked that piece up...:lmfao:

[2.0civic]

LIRL, yeah....supposedly the cat started doing that in 3 hours....sometime between 4 nd 7 the day we got it (night before)

[£G2♣]

ever since this call out to k20, i never see him post any more..

[92tegracer07]

k20 got caught on this one...so yea...id keep my mouth shut and take it if i were him too...

[2.0civic]

wait til i get adams PW to post up the PM's that got sent after the fact

[DC2NR]

damn he knows he was wrong and tried to screw you guys over .. or else he would've posted a defense .. OWNED ...

[92tegracer07]

this just keeps getting better and better....:D

[£G2♣]

I'm guessin hes off to another user name or staying low for awhile, lirl

[92tegracer07]

probaly so...i still can't believe he tried to pull that shit...

[B18c1Turboed]

Why get on here and get all defensive? what is that going to do? not get him banned from IA? trust me that isnt the end of the world to some.

What should he defend? Ok maybe the mileage? But B18 has said they knew this before buying the car that they ran a carfax and got the corerct mileage.I think its the buyers responsibilty to get all the details on the car,K20 could have signed a AS IS Bill of sale and you guys would be screwed.But he refunded your money.How is he a scammer when obviously you inspected the car and had all the info in front of you, you guys obviouly wanted to buy the car as well,
Do you really think becasue a car has 30k more mileage you wouldnt have bought the car?
I think its a excuse you guys are using to drag somone name thru the mud, shit when u buy a honda or acura you dont look at mileage you look at the mods on the car, i have never looked at mileage.
my point is this a scammer would have sold you the car and kept your money,he did the right thing and refunded your money too you! so why bitch and complain, what you lost a fw hours in the day,obviously you didnt have anything else to do,if you did you wouldnt have went to see the car due to other engagments!!

Money was refunded car was given back. end of story!!! I dont see where the scam or scammer was, a scam is when someone sells you something and you dont get shit for it. you got a car.you werent happy the money was refunded!!!

[B18c1Turboed]

And im sorry i dont think he has to make a defense,IA is not the Judge and Jury!!
What defense do you guys want?

Ok he wasnt happy money was returned!!!

[B18c1Turboed]

ok you yourself said you knew about all the problems before hand



Last week when we went to test drive the car, everything ran great and the only problem (so it seemed at the time) was a clutch slipping. The DAY that my buddy gets the loan for the car, i get a PM saying something to the effect of the cat being clogged and how its weak now. So before we got a car needing a whole exhaust system and a clutch, we went to test drive the car again and this time, Theres no power steering hardly in it (leaking pump). as im getting out of the passenger seat, i notice the door hinge is weird (loose looking and popping) so i Blatently ask "hey man, has the car been hit over here?" at which point Ben said "no its never been wrecked." The next day (tuesday 9/19) my buddy adam took the car to a friends shop who said the swap was shitty just by looking at it and said the harness was a shitty job. Well, when teng pulled the dipstick out, there wasnt even enough oil to show on the dipstick. While inspecting it more, found that the metal peice on the PS pump had attempted to be welded and that the radiator has been cracked.


you ran a car fax and knew the actual mileage,he admit that car was in previous accident.

I ran CARFAX on it prior to us meeting, and it came back with 120k+ miles on the car, about 30K more than what his post claimed. But, I figured with the newer engine, what the hell. It also came back with an accident reporting minor damage. I asked him about it--he said yeah, right front fender.



I see it like this you guys obviously knew what was wrong with the car,before hand, and you say you lost a week times,shit you bought car on 9/19 and money was returned on 9/20 per your own words. See you and your friend are giving two diffrent stories and they dont amke sense you say he didnt disclose anything,but you already knew all about the car. You knew clutch was slipping,about power sterring,about actual mileage on car, about door squeking, you knew about all of it!!

[gokblok]

The power steering AND the exhaust were both FINE even at the time of us going to the bank for the loan. Somehow within 3 hours, they were both fucked up.

[gokblok]

damn he knows he was wrong and tried to screw you guys over .. or else he would've posted a defense .. OWNED ...


exactly which is why he isnt selling the car here anymore cause we all know that its fucked up. If we were bullshitting, he would defend himself and let you guys come prove us wrong.

[gokblok]

Adam iam sorry about what happen... the swap is either a 125k motor or a 90k motor i had two at the time and was selling one.... i want to keep the 90k motor and swap that into the civic... i guess i sold the one with 90k and thats the one with 125k....anyways the car was running fine when you first drove it.. right!!! and then the car started to run funny and i even let you test drive it the second time before you took it ... you could of called it off then if you wanted to.....really i had no problem with that ..i even had the check just incase you wanted to call it off... and about the dealer licence i was in the process of getting it... and the swap i guess i messed it up its my fault... but i said in the ad that i just didnt have time to work on it anymore... but pete have nothing to do with swap going bad it was all my fault.. dude i dont want you to hate me because of this... i know that i'll be seeing you at other events and just dont want to be hated by anyone... iam really sorry that it had to turn out this way..and your "buddy" even after he bash my ad like that... i just wanna say that iam really sorry....i take all responsibility of wait happen to that car... i guess you wont see me here anymore..thanks for your time adam...


so who forgets which motor that they have? And YES the car DID run fine the first time until after he got his money all the shit on it seemed to break

[B18c1Turboed]

so who forgets which motor that they have? And YES the car DID run fine the first time until after he got his money all the shit on it seemed to break

NO offense man.BUT WHO FUCKEN CARES!!! you want him to come into this forum and defend himself<When a real man will handle there problems via Pms and be done with it. Why must he come and defend himself now, he wrote you and explained the situation.WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM HIM?

HE said he was sorry, he gave you your money back.He even wrote you after and said he was sorry WHAT MORE DO YOU EXPECT?

IA to BAn him? so be it!! But IA isnt the only way to sell a car, why dont u ban him from selling cars then? and leave it be man? its like hearing my daughter cry 3 hours after i spank her.

[2.0civic]

NO offense man.BUT WHO FUCKEN CARES!!! you want him to come into this forum and defend himself<When a real man will handle there problems via Pms and be done with it. Why must he come and defend himself now, he wrote you and explained the situation.WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM HIM?

HE said he was sorry, he gave you your money back.He even wrote you after and said he was sorry WHAT MORE DO YOU EXPECT?

IA to BAn him? so be it!! But IA isnt the only way to sell a car, why dont u ban him from selling cars then? and leave it be man? its like hearing my daughter cry 3 hours after i spank her.


cause guy has a huge market here and if hes no longer allowed to use this market then it screws him since , had it not been for the cat, he would have done to us

[preferredduck]

k20 does sell a lot of parts on here, i am one of his buyers.

[preferredduck]

wattup justin, just saw you a few ago, i'll see you tommorow as well.

[2.0civic]

Title changed cause i geuss Technically,we didnt get scammed

[USDM CTR]

wow b18hatch complain more than QD! LOL naw you should really stop posting "bad seller" when you didnt even buy anything.. if your boy did then let him make a thread cause this makes you sound like a bad mod.. atleast he got his refund i can understand if he didnt.

[2.0civic]

how does it make me a bad mod for taking care of people in my section?? Had he actually followed the rules and posted swap vins before i went to go get it, i would have caught the entire situation before

[ZEDEX32]

Yeah men, gotta be careful, you should inspect the car first.
That is way too much money to lose!

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

what car were yall tryin to buy??
sorry if I missed this in case yall posted it somewhere

[2.0civic]

its was a 99ex. its on autotrader now since he pulled it here but its a black swapped ex with a LS in it for 6500


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=209400964&dealer_id=58460047&car_year=1999&mod_bookmark_id=null&search_type=used&num_records=&make=HONDA&distance=75&model=CIVIC&address=30043&certified=&advanced=&max_price=6500&bkms=1159109029876&min_price=6400&end_year=1999&start_year=1999&lang=en&cardist=39

autotrader link

[2.0civic]

car fax is ran in one of the threads and about 4 other people on the board have seen the car run and drive and will also say that it was fucked up

[StupidBikerBoy]

Seems to me hes not to bad of a seller. I mean he did give you your money back the next day. How is that bad?

Think about it, he had you by the balls. He already had your money, so why would he give it back to you if he was trying to screw you?

Sounds like to me he may have not known everything about the car and/or he made some mistakes representing it, so he did the honorable thing and gave you your money back.

[2.0civic]

Situation has already been resolved. Fact of the matter is, its not wether he knew aboutthe issues of the car or not, its the things that he DID know and lied about that makes him a shitty seller and thats what this section is here for. Had he not lied about the mileage, swap, and other things, there would not even be an issue. Im not dragging this out anymore. Carfax now shoes mileage discrephancy and other things and ive said my peice so whatever. If he screws someone on here and they dont do their homework, its really not my problem.


He still has an account here so if he wants to say anything regardingthe situation to try to publicy defend himself, thats fine but im done with it. If Adam and myself were wrong about it, he wouldnt have pulled the car off the market here and anyone else could check it out and buy it (or prove me wrong as to what the situation is).

[USDM CTR]

Why get on here and get all defensive? what is that going to do? not get him banned from IA? trust me that isnt the end of the world to some.

What should he defend? Ok maybe the mileage? But B18 has said they knew this before buying the car that they ran a carfax and got the corerct mileage.I think its the buyers responsibilty to get all the details on the car,K20 could have signed a AS IS Bill of sale and you guys would be screwed.But he refunded your money.How is he a scammer when obviously you inspected the car and had all the info in front of you, you guys obviouly wanted to buy the car as well,
Do you really think becasue a car has 30k more mileage you wouldnt have bought the car?
I think its a excuse you guys are using to drag somone name thru the mud, shit when u buy a honda or acura you dont look at mileage you look at the mods on the car, i have never looked at mileage.
my point is this a scammer would have sold you the car and kept your money,he did the right thing and refunded your money too you! so why bitch and complain, what you lost a fw hours in the day,obviously you didnt have anything else to do,if you did you wouldnt have went to see the car due to other engagments!!

Money was refunded car was given back. end of story!!! I dont see where the scam or scammer was, a scam is when someone sells you something and you dont get shit for it. you got a car.you werent happy the money was refunded!!!


can you say pwnd? he is not a bad seller IMO as well. i think your 18 year old self need to grow up, and LEARN more about modded cars.

[2.0civic]

can you say pwnd? he is not a bad seller IMO as well. i think your 18 year old self need to grow up, and LEARN more about modded cars.


LOL at that comment. You dont know me and dont know the cars ive had or the mods done to him. Fact is, guy lied about the car about numerous aspects of it then CONTINUED to lie AFTER we showed him proof of what we know. As i said, Once again, If im wrong, let him come and prove me wrong


you think you are hot shit or somethign cause you are 22?? i can guarantee you i have a higher level of maturity and sense to know that age doesnt mean anything and if thats the best you can do is an age comment you gotta come harder than that...BTW, im 19 going on 20 so the fact that you are 2.5 years older than me doesnt mean shit.


Thanks

[2.0civic]

fact also sits as, if he tried to cash that check, the bank would have put a stop payment on it so technically we had HIM by the balls. we had the title in our possession and could have cancelled the check. Think about what you say before you post shit

[92tegracer07]

ok...i witnessed how terribly this car runs and i saw first hand just how half-ass the swap was...the harness for the ECU was butchered and it wasnt even for the motor in the car...cat was clogged...no oil registered on the dipstick...nothing about this vehicle was good...and that's why we keep going on about it...put yourself in his shoes...i bet you wouldn't let things go and be happy go lucky...you'd be pissed and you'd want others to know so they didnt get fucked either...so if you dont like what you're reading then click the back button and have a good one...:2up:

[2.0civic]

Im still yet to see why you keep defending this guy b18c1turboed. is he friends with you or something?? and i hate to tell you, but the bank has to protect THEIR caleteral on the loan and the president of the bank was the one who said they could put a stop payment on it. my fiance is a fraud analysist as well so dont try to tell me how banks work...adams girlfriend also was a fraud analysist so we know the legality of the situation and whats his leg to stand on in court?? "uh, i sold them a lemon and the bank cancelled the check after i didnt disclose a mileage report and lied about many things on the car??"


LIRL, too funny

[92tegracer07]

are you talking about me? Im with you on this one...

[2.0civic]

nah, something else. lol