Project M3 coming along nicely

[nextelbuddy]

cars been down due to a tired old motor poping on me :2up:

time to freshen her up a bit so i can run more boost.

cant wait to get started here.
this is most of the bottom end stuff.

next week the following parts are coming in:

new OEM Oil pump, Retainers, Keepers, Valve stem seals Main and Rod bearings, Flywheel bolts, Rod bolts, and Lower gasket set

then off to the machine shop to get the block decked, Honed, Bored, and Hottanked and getting the Head suface Machined for the new Headgasket along with the valve train parts installed.



on to the pix.

ill keep this thread updated.

CP Pistons, Rings, Wrist Pins and Clips. 8:5:1 compression .40 over, motor will be 87mm now increasing from 3.0 liters to 3.1 :goodjob:
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Vac MLS Cometic 5 layer 0.70 Head Gasket
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ARP Head Studs and Main Studs
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[Nittanys1]

score!! post some pics of the build!

[93H22ACX]

nice parts shawn! so when do you expect it to be finished? keep us updated

[B18c1Turboed]

nice parts shawn! so when do you expect it to be finished? keep us updated


WHen i Decide to kick my wife out garage again!! HAHA!!

[nextelbuddy]

WHen i Decide to kick my wife out garage again!! HAHA!!

haha werd. hopefully she wont kill me :screwy:

thanx man

[93H22ACX]

got a GT4088 if you want to buy it :D

[HiPSI]

you've got a lot of balls there.

[sina518]

fuck yeah. turbo m3 is were its at

[nextelbuddy]

you've got a lot of balls there.


eh not really. ive barely begin to scratch the surface of these motors. stil learning a lot.



fuck yeah. turbo m3 is were its at

i agree. cant wait to get everything up and running again.

btw got the motor pullled out tonight hopefully after machine work and internals installation will be done in about 2 - 3 weeks

[iloveboost]

Displacement + Boost = Great.

Love your car, man. I can't imagine the torque you're going to get from that setup.

[4dmin]

shawn when your down let me know... :camera:

[nextelbuddy]

shawn when your down let me know... :camera:

yea sorry about that Paul. I was going to few weeks back I was ready to go to the dyno but then the motor popped lol.

This time no more popping. Ill definately hit you up when im done ;)

[A1EX]

eh not really. ive barely begin to scratch the surface of these motors. stil learning a lot.

i think he meant the crate of golf balls

[nextelbuddy]

i think he meant the crate of golf balls

oh haha

[nextelbuddy]

UPDATE
got the motor pulled last night and head separated. everything off to machine shop this week..


Thanx Charles!!!!! who is on his way back to NC. this man is hard core!! comes down after pulling a all nighter of work and gets my motor pulled and separated and heads out back home to NC this morining
pix here.


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[nextelbuddy]

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[nextelbuddy]

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[Footefan52]

Man how much whp are you looking at for this set-up? My guess is about 320whp depending on how much boost you are going to be running.

[nextelbuddy]

Man how much whp are you looking at for this set-up? My guess is about 320whp depending on how much boost you are going to be running.

haha no man. probably closer to 500-600 rwhp. but id be happy witih 400 anyways.

stock motors are taking a beating up to 620 rwhp on bimmerforums.

more pix of the block below.

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[nextelbuddy]

Pistons are in

block coming together really nice.



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[NAIZBST]

lookin nice!!!

[iloveboost]

Man, you're not wasting any time getting that thing back together.

You going to have it retuned and running by Nopi?

[nextelbuddy]

Man, you're not wasting any time getting that thing back together.

You going to have it retuned and running by Nopi?

it will be back together and running. not tuned yet. wil stil be breaking in the motor.

but i will be going to nopi :)

[Danny]

wow.. very nice!

Why did you deck it? I imagine for the purpose of leveling the surface? Aposed to increasing the static CR like the NA guys do? Fill me in :D

This is what i want to do next summer. :D

Are you still keeping your tec3 setup with custom tune? I know u told me, but who tunes your motors?

[Danny]

Man how much whp are you looking at for this set-up? My guess is about 320whp depending on how much boost you are going to be running.


Come on bro, give us Bimmers a little more credit than that. ;) Thats insulting ;) lol

[1439/2000]

nice steady progress.

[nextelbuddy]

wow.. very nice!

Why did you deck it? I imagine for the purpose of leveling the surface? Aposed to increasing the static CR like the NA guys do? Fill me in :D

This is what i want to do next summer. :D

Are you still keeping your tec3 setup with custom tune? I know u told me, but who tunes your motors?
yes Decked for leveling of surface.
keeping tec 3. will be going to ED at balanced to get tuned.

cheers


nice steady progress.

thanx bro

[nextelbuddy]

block and head are done. ready to drop back in now.

mm mmmmm cant wait. till next wednsday :bump:

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[stealthrt]

Nice build, I went through the same stuff with mine just recently!

How long till the first crank?

Also, I hope you meant you overbored .040" (not .40") lol
Does it really bring you up to 3.1L? A 0.040" overbore would only raise my engine from 3.0L to 3.04L

[Danny]

Nice build, I went through the same stuff with mine just recently!

How long till the first crank?

Also, I hope you meant you overbored .040" (not .40") lol
Does it really bring you up to 3.1L? A 0.040" overbore would only raise my engine from 3.0L to 3.04L


low compression pistons should add a little, correct? And are you taking in his bore/stroke vs yours?

[stealthrt]

low compression pistons should add a little, correct? And are you taking in his bore/stroke vs yours?

I'm not doubting him, if that's what your concerned with. I know the bore/stroke/compression are all different. My pistons are 8.1:1 anyways, but that doesn't necessarily affect displacement.

[nextelbuddy]

Nice build, I went through the same stuff with mine just recently!

How long till the first crank?

Also, I hope you meant you overbored .040" (not .40") lol
Does it really bring you up to 3.1L? A 0.040" overbore would only raise my engine from 3.0L to 3.04L


yes .040 it was typo

no actually i rounded up.

its closer to 3.1 than 3.0

stock i beleive its like 2997cc

to actually increare displacement i would have to hde used a S52 crank and S52 rods and then it would have been a little higher than 3.2 in between 3.2 and 3.3

right now its in betwen 3.0 and 3.1 but closer to 3.1

[green91]

Looks good man, the block certainly looks better than before and those cp's should handle a beating like a champ

[Danny]

I'm not doubting him, if that's what your concerned with. I know the bore/stroke/compression are all different. My pistons are 8.1:1 anyways, but that doesn't necessarily affect displacement.


no dont get me wrong, i wasnt trying to call u out or anything. just asking a question and participating. No harm in that ;)

[supraflame]

are those blocks iron or aluminum? Nice build up though what size turbo?

[nextelbuddy]

are those blocks iron or aluminum? Nice build up though what size turbo?

these blocks are good ole fashion IRON. the head is aluminum.

[mx34life]

looks great:)

[nextelbuddy]

update.........


finished the car tonight. cranked her up and she fired up first time. no leaks or funny noises and no over heating. drove her home nice and easy breaking her in with a lot of engine vacuum. turbo wants to spool so much i can feel/hear it. its going ot be hard the next 1000 miles to not stomp on it lol

[green91]

I guess everyones got a different break-in style, i always go and beat on it lol.

[nextelbuddy]

I guess everyones got a different break-in style, i always go and beat on it lol.


well what i normally do is::

go out in first gear. take the RPMs up to about 5-6k and let the motor slow itself down creating vacuum on the bottom of the rings. i do this few tims in 1st gear and then 2nd gear and then 3rd gear. for 1000 miles i dont really go over 5k rpms.

you nly have about 75-100 miles and then rings are set by then so if you havent set the rings by then then it is what it is.

i really just want to make sure that teh rings get a lot of vacuum from the bottom of them so they seal nicely.

plus i cant really go beat on it sionce the turbo kit is on now. and i dont want to put a lot of boost on the top of the pistons just yet. if this was all motor then i would go beat on it.

plus this first 100 miles i wil be changing the oil to get any metal shavings out that are created from the sealing process and i dont want to boost with meta shavings in the oil just yet

i will check my compression at about 500 miles hopefully i pull the 160 across im looking for.

[2.3 Evo 8]

Very nice.

[mrt0mjones]

congrats, i went through a build too recently, i'm at 1000 miles now.

:/ i beat on it though, i guess we all have different styles.

i do envy the pistons though..

mmmm..

[nextelbuddy]

congrats, i went through a build too recently, i'm at 1000 miles now.

:/ i beat on it though, i guess we all have different styles.

i do envy the pistons though..

mmmm..


actually i switched it up a bit.

i just hit 300 miles yesterday and have been hitting 10 psi the wastegate spring. mtor feels fine and pulls hard.

[mrt0mjones]

shoot me a pm when you start giving rides. :)

[miro_gt]

nice build man .. first time I see somebody build up a M3 engine :)


for the break in - I'd rather beat on it hard the first time too

am, what's the deal with those rods ? You changed the pistons and didn't change the rods ? .. .or I missed something

[nextelbuddy]

nice build man .. first time I see somebody build up a M3 engine :)


for the break in - I'd rather beat on it hard the first time too

am, what's the deal with those rods ? You changed the pistons and didn't change the rods ? .. .or I missed something


the stock rods and crank are FORGED from the factory. and new rods are 1799 fo 6 of them.

the stock S50/S52 rods have been proven up to 704whp on stock compression.

[unkn0wndj]

Niceeee id like to ride lol

[iloveboost]

When is the break-in finished and when's it hitting the dyno?

[Fast Shadow]

Hot car.. one of my dream projects is to do a turbo S52 swap into an E30 M3.

[nextelbuddy]

When is the break-in finished and when's it hitting the dyno?

break in is finished.

im having boost controller issues.
first woudl spie to 10 psi and fall to 8 psi..

i removed my boost controller (turbo smart MBC) and just ran off spring and always hit 8 psi just fine.

put the controller back in now it spikes to 15 psi and falls down to 10 psi withthe controller all the way turned down.

i need to find another controller to test before i hit the dyno

[iloveboost]

My Profec isn't holding 20psi like it's supposed to on my car either. Hits 20 and then drops back down to like 17-18.

I'm thinking of switching to a manual quad stage boost controller.

[morris]

I am prett sure that all profecs go high and then fall back a couple pounds. You are supposed to be able to address this by adjusting the gain, if I remenber correctly

[jfman]

How much(no internals) does it cost for a turbo kit in an E36 M3 ?

Anybody has a bolt on kit ?

[B18c1Turboed]

How much(no internals) does it cost for a turbo kit in an E36 M3 ?

Anybody has a bolt on kit ?

Normal turbo kits starting at 8,700...
http://www.aatuning.com/

Im sure shawn can build you one for alot less with alof of nice parts!!!

[nextelbuddy]

How much(no internals) does it cost for a turbo kit in an E36 M3 ?

Anybody has a bolt on kit ?

it depends on how far you want to go with it.

also depends on if you are OBD1 or OBD2 tuning wise.

it can be done for under 6000 dollars. with way better parts than AA kits which have much smaller turbos.

[cwood1388]

nextelbuddy the build and your car both are amazing man.

[jfman]

6 grand that aint cheap ! Almost twice as much as a honda :crazy:

Room is limited in there...

[nextelbuddy]

6 grand that aint cheap ! Almost twice as much as a honda :crazy:

Room is limited in there...


maybe so. turbo M3 or turbo civic...hmmmm :D

[B18c1Turboed]

maybe so. turbo M3 or turbo civic...hmmmm :D

Or you can have both like someone i know!!! is about too!:taun:

[1439/2000]

Lets take the turbo m3 and my 02 to the mountains. lol

It wouldn't keep up but it would look cool seeing them together.

Love the build.

[miro_gt]

I am prett sure that all profecs go high and then fall back a couple pounds. You are supposed to be able to address this by adjusting the gain, if I remenber correctly

wahahaahhaahaaaaa

boost falls not because of the boost controller, but because of the turbo setup .. Smaller turbos run out of flow at higher RPMs, while bigger ones hold ..

so, if your boost falls, upgrade your turbo, compressor only, exhaust .. etc. .. not the boost controller by itself

Now there are RPM adjustable boost controllers that can compensate if your boost falls due to the turbo setup. An example would be the E-01 from GReddy. You can use one like that to hold boost on small turbos. However, if you switch back to the WG spring pressure, your boost will start falling again at the top

A good boost controller would not let the boost go above the set level.

I have Profec Type S, and my boost falls too up top. However, it never lets above my set boost level ... because 1psi above what it's running at right now and I'm gonna have holes on my block