Prayer In School

[Hulud]

should prayer be allowed public school? (or have a specific time)

[4dmin]

FORCED no.

Allowed that is debateable... if you allow christian prayer shouldn't you allow muslims to take time each day to pray, atheist to have time for self, etc...

i know when i was in school i had a few teachers try to force me to stand for the pledge... it never worked i actually told one it was my religious right to sit. teachers are so afraid of suits they'll just leave you alone.

I do think WORLD religion classes should be offered in public schools. Its very importanta for children to get a broad idea of what life has to offer.

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Now if its a private or alternative school you must follow any code of ethics you/your parents agree too :goodjob:

[Hulud]

FORCED no.

Allowed that is debateable... if you allow christian prayer shouldn't you allow muslims to take time each day to pray, atheist to have time for self, etc...
yes you should


i know when i was in school i had a few teachers try to force me to stand for the pledge... it never worked i actually told one it was my religious right to sit. teachers are so afraid of suits they'll just leave you alone.
they cant do shit, its our right to free speach to not stand or partake in the pledge


I do think WORLD religion classes should be offered in public schools. Its very importanta for children to get a broad idea of what life has to offer.

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Now if its a private or alternative school you must follow any code of ethics you/your parents agree too :goodjob:
exactly

[1439/2000]

Forced to pray? Forced to do anything, no. I think you phrased that wrong. I've never seen a teacher force a kid to pray.

As far as the pledge goes. Why not pledge allegiance to this country? If you were in China and you didn't, you get shot. A country that lets you essentially do what you want within reason is a pretty good one in my book.

I'm not debating any of this shit with you guys because I get frustrated and it's pointless.lol. On the internet, if you seem frustrated, the other side seemingly wins in most cases. So dont ask me shit. Thats all I have to say.

[Hulud]

Forced to pray? Forced to do anything, no. I think you phrased that wrong. I've never seen a teacher force a kid to pray.
yes i did phrase it wrong but i never said it happened


As far as the pledge goes. Why not pledge allegiance to this country? If you were in China and you didn't, you get shot. A country that lets you essentially do what you want within reason is a pretty good one in my book.
i never said i sat down during it, i was just saying you dont have to stand up and do it

[Hulud]

fixed

[4dmin]

As far as the pledge goes. Why not pledge allegiance to this country? If you were in China and you didn't, you get shot. A country that lets you essentially do what you want within reason is a pretty good one in my book.



only reason i this is not "ONE NATION UNDER GOD" i have no problem w/ my country other then them forcing me to say something i don't believe. now if they take that out like in the original pledge then you will find me standing for it. :goodjob:

[1439/2000]

You dont have to say the whole thing. You pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. Period. I thought you just thought the whole thing was crap.

[4dmin]

You dont have to say the whole thing. You pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. Period. I thought you just thought the whole thing was crap.

na i'll sit its like my silent protest :D (that and i'm lazy)

trust me the gov't doesn't care as long as i pay my taxes.

[Romeyo07]

sure...pray so long as it doesn't interrupt the class schedule. There's a time and place for everything. As Christian as you know I am, I think that prayer in school is great, but should not be set aside for students. There's a cirriculum (sp?) to follow and kids need to spend as much time in the books as possible. Most classes offer a few minute before class and towards the end as "free time". Use your time wisely I guess.

[ShooterMcGavin]

u guys have already chimed w/anything that i feel is worth a damn on this subject... :goodjob:

[white24d]

i know when i was in school i had a few teachers try to force me to stand for the pledge... it never worked i actually told one it was my religious right to sit. teachers are so afraid of suits they'll just leave you alone.

Why would you argue about saying the pledge of allegiance??????????
You sat while everyone said it? That is bs. I am so tired of people acting like that. You should move the hell out of this country if you dont like the laws and ideas. Piece of shit. Move to a communist country and have all of your desicions made for you, so you dont fu** them up.

[4dmin]

Why would you argue about saying the pledge of allegiance??????????
You sat while everyone said it? That is bs. I am so tired of people acting like that. You should move the hell out of this country if you dont like the laws and ideas. Piece of shit. Move to a communist country and have all of your desicions made for you, so you dont fu** them up.

EAD if i don't want to stand for it i won't that has nothing to to do patriotism. if the pledge said ONE NATION UNDER ISLAM would you stand for it? no :321:

and its not even the original pledge anyway so what is the big fucking deal?

[white24d]

You make no sense, Your ethics are stupid. Good luck in life :screwy:

[4dmin]

You make no sense, Your ethics are stupid. Good luck in life :screwy:

i make no sense yet you won't answer the question? ok. this topic has already be fought in court and you can't force people to stand for something they don't believe in. its that simple. your sitting here saying i need to move to communist country when you yourself are being hypocrite. the decision has already been made for you "ONE NATION UNDER GOD"; i guess you failed history/gov't class. :goodjob:

[ShooterMcGavin]

haha, white24d needs to take a chill pill, pronto. :goodjob:

[2.0civic]

i make no sense yet you won't answer the question? ok. this topic has already be fought in court and you can't force people to stand for something they don't believe in. its that simple. your sitting here saying i need to move to communist country when you yourself are being hypocrite. the decision has already been made for you "ONE NATION UNDER GOD"; i guess you failed history/gov't class. :goodjob:


LIRL, the funniest thing is when i was in school, only like 5 people even recited it.

[white24d]

I am not saying that you have to stand and say the pledge. I am saying that you should stand. You not standing makes you look like a dick. This country is free because of that flag and standing up in what you beleive in. Dont worry about it, you sound like a muslim or something.

[2.0civic]

I am not saying that you have to stand and say the pledge. I am saying that you should stand. You not standing makes you look like a dick. This country is free because of that flag and standing up in what you beleive in. Dont worry about it, you sound like a muslim or something.

white24d must be a military guy and obbviously doesnt read too well if he thinks admin is muslim...

[2.0civic]

I am not saying that you have to stand and say the pledge. I am saying that you should stand. You not standing makes you look like a dick. This country is free because of that flag and standing up in what you beleive in. Dont worry about it, you sound like a muslim or something.


what about handicapped people???:thinking:


this country is free because we have a government set up "for the people" (yeah...right) and we are about as socialistic as most socialist/communist countries...whole nother topic though

[white24d]

:goodjob: Thats cool


I am not in the military but, I have strong beliefs in this country. Anyways back to the subject, :bump:


What about handicapped people???????????????/

What the hell. If you are disabled then you dont have the option.

[{X}Echo419]

should prayer be allowed public school? (or have a specific time)

if I was in a gov't school right now I'd be praying! b/c if you're in there you ain't got a chance in hell of learning anything :2cents: :lmfao:

[4dmin]

if I was in a gov't school right now I'd be praying! b/c if you're in ther you ain't got a chance in hell of learning anything :2cents: :lmfao:

bahhh got that right.

i'm muslim? :lmfao: i enjoy a mango lassi here and there but i'm far from muslism. actually most muslims i know are more devoted to their religion the most christians i know. i see your posted age is 20 in your profile, you probably live at home w/ you parents so i'll live you to your entitled opinion of the world. :goodjob:

[{X}Echo419]

bahhh got that right.

i'm muslim? :lmfao: i enjoy a mango lassi here and there but i'm far from muslism. actually most muslims i know are more devoted to their religion the most christians i know. i see your posted age is 20 in your profile, you probably live at home w/ you parents so i'll live you to your entitled opinion of the world. :goodjob:

SO devoted they'd strap some C4 to their chest and blow up a cafe' b/c some idot in a cave told him "GOD" wants him to do it. :lmfao:

[4dmin]

SO devoted they'd strap some C4 to their chest and blow up a cafe' b/c some idot in a cave told him "GOD" wants him to do it. :lmfao:

you forgot while making your blizzard at dairy queen ;)







damit yousef :lmfao:

[LongShot]

Forced prayer= No, but you should still have the right to do so in a silent manner.

[white24d]

I am 20. and loving it. I just thought I would say what I was thinking in this thread. You are just ignorant and cant handle the thought of someone else's opinion being the logical statement. It's cool. :2up:

[4dmin]

I am 20. and loving it. I just thought I would say what I was thinking in this thread. You are just ignorant and cant handle the thought of someone else's opinion being the logical statement. It's cool. :2up:

logical statement, thats still debatable :goodjob:

[Hulud]

I am not saying that you have to stand and say the pledge. I am saying that you should stand. You not standing makes you look like a dick. This country is free because of that flag and standing up in what you beleive in. Dont worry about it, you sound like a muslim or something.
you are a fucking moron saying that he sounds like a muslim because he didnt stand for teh pledge, you fuckin bigot

[buddha@TeamFX]

I'm all for prayer in school...I always push it...thats the first thing I do in the mornings and the last thing I do before I go to bed...

[ahabion]

Prayer in school is fine by me... whether you pray to the Christian God or to Allah or whatever you want to pray about... money? sex? take your pick... time set aside for that in school? No... thats a personal belief and should be done on your personal time.

as for the pledge, you should stand for respect for this country... as for the Under God part of it, you dont have to recite it nor respect it, but you should still stand up during the pledge because we as Americans should and do. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

and if the Under God part offends folks so much or just the meer word God in its context offends folks here, i'd be glad to take those greens in your wallet and bank all day!

[metalman]

should prayer be allowed public school? (or have a specific time)

Short answer - no special allotment of prayer is needed.
In America anyone is already lawfully 'allowed' to pray to any god/deity whenever he/she wants to...including in school...or at the DMV for that matter....and that it should be. In Amercia youre also free NOT to pray to any god/deity at any time or place. Freedom OF religion, and freedom FROM religion.

So called christians who complain they can't pray at school are full of crap! Anyone can pray anytime, anywhere! No one will come take you away. You wont be arrested. Why must you insist on praying through the microphone/PA system? This indicates "vain" prayers to me...that is praying to show off to others that they might hear you and think youre pious.
If one is truly praying to God they dont need a PA system. ;)

[StupidBikerBoy]

I think it should be allowed, and anyone could pray so long as they do it on thier own time.

But the idea of a whole class having prayer is a bad idea. Someone is bound to get offended somehow. Maybe if they allocated time for individual prayer for the students.

[rzaray89]

prayer should be and is allowed for the students in public schools and the public workers (teachers, etc.) arent supposed influence any child with their personal religion/beliefs

[4dmin]

don't schools still do the whole moment of silence thing...? i think they do that still basically is time for prayer or sleep time for others :D

[Killer]

only reason i this is not "ONE NATION UNDER GOD" i have no problem w/ my country other then them forcing me to say something i don't believe. now if they take that out like in the original pledge then you will find me standing for it. :goodjob:

i didn't know there was another pledge??? what is it? i'm seriously interested???

[4dmin]

i didn't know there was another pledge??? what is it? i'm seriously interested???

"I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

what was the original congress added "under God" in 1954

[Cato ED-6]

Prayer in public school is allowed (Unoffically). Some even abuse it. Last year three kids at EHS thought it would be funny if they messed around and prayed for 30 minutes. (to get out of work.) The teacher got angry that they weren't working and called the princaple(sp?). He came down and talked with the kids and teacher. And in the end he said that kids did nothing wrong. (Probably because he didn't want to look like a nazi or something.) After that the teacher came back in all mad and left, she didn't return till next week. I don't know if it was because of the princaple(sp?) or if she was just angry.

And if you think that kids are never forced to recite "The Pledge of Allegiance" you're sadly mistaken. In all JROTC (Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps) all cadets are required to recite "The Pledge of Allegiance" everyday before class starts. Even if they already recited it earlier that day. (And PS: President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved the addition of "Under God". And give credit, Francis Bellamy & James Upham authored the pledge.)

But anyway, I believe that if you want to pray go ahead. But don't try and "Recruit" people. And pick your times, because you're there to learn in the first place. It might be your way but it isn't everyone's.

[Hulud]

And if you think that kids are never forced to recite "The Pledge of Allegiance" you're sadly mistaken. In all JROTC (Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps) all cadets are required to recite "The Pledge of Allegiance" everyday before class starts. Even if they already recited it earlier that day.
JROTC is not public school, its a program that you sign up for, so there goes your free speach

[Cato ED-6]

JROTC is not public school, its a program that you sign up for, so there goes your free speach

Can you tell me where, in that quote, I said "in public school"?
But thats away from my point.
JROTC is in public school. It is a class which can be taken if a student wants to. And if you do you must recite the pledge. So I would say that fits under "Being forced to say the pledge in public school".

[4dmin]

Can you tell me where, in that quote, I said "in public school"?
But thats away from my point.
JROTC is in public school. It is a class which can be taken if a student wants to. And if you do you must recite the pledge. So I would say that fits under "Being forced to say the pledge in public school".

well your not forced to do it if you signed up for it. its called shooting yourself in the foot. if you didn't want to recite it you wouldn't have joined.

[Hulud]

JROTC is in public school. It is a class which can be taken if a student wants to. And if you do you must recite the pledge. So I would say that fits under "Being forced to say the pledge in public school".
i would say you are wrong on that, since you sign up and you then do not have a choice :goodjob:

[Cato ED-6]

i would say you are wrong on that, since you sign up and you then do not have a choice :goodjob:

How is that different than what I just said? You sign up, You recite the pledge.

[Cato ED-6]

well your not forced to do it if you signed up for it. its called shooting yourself in the foot. if you didn't want to recite it you wouldn't have joined.

Trust me when I say this, People that go into JROTC don't always know whats going to happen. Like 8th graders coming from middle school have no idea what JROTC is besides the fact it has to do with the Military.

And also people have thrown away a years worth of class because they couldn't leave. At the end of the 2nd day of school they make all JROTC changes final. And they still recite the pledge.

But whether you want to or not you're still forced. Just because you want to doesn't mean the rule goes away. So just in case one day you change your mind about JROTC, you still have to recite it.

I've seen all three happen, and it happens all the time.

[{X}Echo419]

I'm not going to ask anyone to say the Pledge. but at least stand up and show some damn respect. :2cents:

[Hulud]

How is that different than what I just said? You sign up, You recite the pledge.
you said, you join, you recite the pledge


so whats wrong with that?

[abstract]

white24d, do more research before making statements like -

I am not saying that you have to stand and say the pledge. I am saying that you should stand. You not standing makes you look like a dick. This country is free because of that flag and standing up in what you beleive in. Dont worry about it, you sound like a muslim or something.


Makes you sound really ignorant. Pledging or not pledging to flag doesn't make you more or less of a Citizen. And what is the statement you sound like a muslim or something means. :thinking: Do more research before making comments:goodjob:

[Cato ED-6]

you said, you join, you recite the pledge


so whats wrong with that?

Its not wrong. Thats just what I'm saying.
Just in JROTC you say the pledge, thats all.

I think some one got lost some where. :???:

[Hulud]

I think some one got lost some where. :???:
no, you said that JROTC falls under public school, which it doesnt. its a funded organization that in run in a school building, but it doesnt get its funding from public schools

[Cato ED-6]

no, you said that JROTC falls under public school, which it doesnt. its a funded organization that in run in a school building, but it doesnt get its funding from public schools

JROTC is just another class. The only difference is that we wear uniforms. We have normal classes like World Geography, Avaition, World History, Leadership, Aerospace Science, Principles of Management, American History, Technology Awareness, and Mechanics. And it runs a normal day just like any other class, the cadets are also students at school (wheither it may be private or public), and the instructers are normal teachers. Everything relating to the military is done AFTER-school.

and saying that JROTC is FUNDED is hilarious. We don't get any money from the branchs. All the money is being sent towards the war. We get our books, supplies, and equipment from the school services. The only thing we get from the military are our uniforms. If we want to do something outside of school we have to raise money ourselves.