Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los Angeles

[SampaGuy]

got this on email from a friend, its pretty interesting:



Here is a powerful and amazing statement on Al Jazeera television.

The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los Angeles.

I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't know how long the link will be active.


http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null

[{X}Echo419]

:yourock:

that was 1 of(if not the best) speach I've ever heard on that topic! it's like she plucked thoughts right out of my head :goodjob:

[SampaGuy]

yeah its pretty damn good

[hemi]

She's right, unfortunately she's a she, and she's don't count to them...

[{X}Echo419]

She's right, unfortunately she's a she, and she's don't count to them...

tru dat :goodjob:

[SpecV_Scott]

+1 fo sho

[AtifSajid]

Whatever..the bitch is not even Muslim so of course she is going to talk bad about the Muslims. She is picking and quoting versus from the Quran. Of course your going to get a bad reaction to those versus. Why not pick and choose the quotes from the Quran that emphasis peace and no violence against other religions. Yes Islam is a old religion and that there was war to win our religion. There was war to win every religion.

This goes back to threads that have been burned into the ground about how the media picks and chooses the versus they want the world to hear versus you never hearing the versus the encourage peace and knowledge. Everysingle Mosque in atlanta will rub in peace and knowledge even though the Muslims are being attacked a lot in todays society.

[StupidBikerBoy]

IMO That woman has said what has needed to be said for a long time. Any religion that teaches to "kill the infidels" and then later defines the infidels as any who doesn't believe Allah is the one true God needs to rethink their beliefs. Its true not all Muslims are violent, but the teachings are. And yes, I have read most of the Koran.



Whatever..the bitch is not even Muslim so of course she is going to talk bad about the Muslims. She is picking and quoting versus from the Quran. Of course your going to get a bad reaction to those versus. Why not pick and choose the quotes from the Quran that emphasis peace and no violence against other religions. Yes Islam is a old religion and that there was war to win our religion. There was war to win every religion.

This goes back to threads that have been burned into the ground about how the media picks and chooses the versus they want the world to hear versus you never hearing the versus the encourage peace and knowledge. Everysingle Mosque in atlanta will rub in peace and knowledge even though the Muslims are being attacked a lot in todays society.

AtifSajid, before I go on, I am not trying to disrespect your beliefs, and I apollogize if it sounds that way. I think a persons religious beliefs should be respected, unless it causes harm or disrespect to another.

That being said, I'd be willing to bet that there would be a LOT of Muslim women in the middle east that would speak out if they didn't fear for thier lives. Oppression of another human being is NOT right.

That woman was also not Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, or religious for that matter. She showed respect to others individual beliefs.

And yes, I agree that certain passages are being emphasized, but regardless of that they are still there. Even if other, more peace oriented passages were also used it doesnt change those that spread violence.

My question to you is, being as open minded as you can be, can't you agree that the comments she made about Budhists' and Jews never resorting to violence, yet muslims have thier whole span of history accounts for something?

I don't believe Muslims as individuals (in general) are any different than most in thier beliefs as human beings, but IMO some of the teachings of the Koran are inhuman. What other religion teaches to take lives in the name of thier god?

Again, I didn't intend to offend you with this and I apollogize if I did. I enjoy open-minded discussions on religion and everything I have said is my opinion.

[AtifSajid]

No problem man, if its a civilized reply I will gladly answer..

Your are absolutely correct in saying that the women in parts of the middle east are abused and treated very badly. This is completely wrong and is stated that it is wrong in the Quran. But this is more of a cultural aspect then religious.

As for the Quran stating taking lives in the name of Allah, that is only to be done if your religion is being suppressed. If warefare is being conducted because of territory, then taking your life and saying it was in the name of Allah is completely wrong. the only reason a Muslim should take his life for religion is if someone is actually suppressing his religion. That is also why you dont see all the other middle eastern countries jumping on the badnwagon when someone from Iraq or whoever calls for Jihad. Most of them know that it is not truly a Jihad? Or is it?

The thing is that the Middle East is very primitive, and they like it that way. the problem is non-muslims coming in and trying to make democracy there. They dont care for that. All there governments are ran via Islam.

In all honestly though the bible and the quran write bad things about the Jews, and history has always told us that. Me personally I have no hatred against anyone. Majority of Muslims living in America do not either that is one of the reasons they moved here.

So hopefully I dont offend anyone in my statements, I apologize if I did. I was just typing as I was thinking.

[AtifSajid]

I don't believe Muslims as individuals (in general) are any different than most in thier beliefs as human beings, but IMO some of the teachings of the Koran are inhuman. What other religion teaches to take lives in the name of thier god?


None of the teachings of the Quran are inhuman. You can read something, but you really need to get an explanation of what this really means, in what timeframe of history was this presented. Why was this teaching presented? What was going on during this time? These are just a few questions that need to be asked when reading any HolyBook. If not then you can take the text and translate it anyway you want.

I as a Muslim go to the Mosque to learn what these sayings actually mean. We are taught all the above I mentioned. Even if you read the Bible in its Old English style, you can take something and mis-translate it, cant you? So this is how I feel about when someone posts saying that something is written in a inhuman way.

Just to touch on this a little. Would you take your life for your religion? That is how true a Muslim thinks of his religion. The world has changed in the Eastern side. Religion is fun and games for millions of people. But even in this side of the world. Religion to a Muslim is the most prized posession. We follow our faith very closely.

Western civilization has not changed much since passed times.

A Muslim can be a beer drinker, weed smoker, doing crack, but as soon as you say something about his religion he will stand up for it 110%. No matter what. Can you say that about yourself?

[efman]

No problem man, if its a civilized reply I will gladly answer..

Your are absolutely correct in saying that the women in parts of the middle east are abused and treated very badly. This is completely wrong and is stated that it is wrong in the Quran. But this is more of a cultural aspect then religious.

As for the Quran stating taking lives in the name of Allah, that is only to be done if your religion is being suppressed. If warefare is being conducted because of territory, then taking your life and saying it was in the name of Allah is completely wrong. the only reason a Muslim should take his life for religion is if someone is actually suppressing his religion. That is also why you dont see all the other middle eastern countries jumping on the badnwagon when someone from Iraq or whoever calls for Jihad. Most of them know that it is not truly a Jihad? Or is it?

The thing is that the Middle East is very primitive, and they like it that way. the problem is non-muslims coming in and trying to make democracy there. They dont care for that. All there governments are ran via Islam.

In all honestly though the bible and the quran write bad things about the Jews, and history has always told us that. Me personally I have no hatred against anyone. Majority of Muslims living in America do not either that is one of the reasons they moved here.

So hopefully I dont offend anyone in my statements, I apologize if I did. I was just typing as I was thinking.
so are you saying that muslims have to live opressed in a dictatorship because they're islamic ? can islamic followers not live in a free democracy ?
sorry for my misspelling and i did'nt mean to offend

[Nopaintsls]

Your are absolutely correct in saying that the women in parts of the middle east are abused and treated very badly. This is completely wrong and is stated that it is wrong in the Quran. But this is more of a cultural aspect then religious.

As for the Quran stating taking lives in the name of Allah, that is only to be done if your religion is being suppressed. If warefare is being conducted because of territory, then taking your life and saying it was in the name of Allah is completely wrong. the only reason a Muslim should take his life for religion is if someone is actually suppressing his religion. That is also why you dont see all the other middle eastern countries jumping on the badnwagon when someone from Iraq or whoever calls for Jihad. Most of them know that it is not truly a Jihad? Or is it?

The thing is that the Middle East is very primitive, and they like it that way. the problem is non-muslims coming in and trying to make democracy there. They dont care for that. All there governments are ran via Islam.

In all honestly though the bible and the quran write bad things about the Jews, and history has always told us that. Me personally I have no hatred against anyone. Majority of Muslims living in America do not either that is one of the reasons they moved here.

So hopefully I dont offend anyone in my statements, I apologize if I did. I was just typing as I was thinking.

:goodjob:

You can read something, but you really need to get an explanation of what this really means, in what timeframe of history was this presented. .

That's what alot of people don't understand

[Sledlude]

ppl forget a good bit of christianity was built on violence too.. the holy roman empire, the crusades... islam is not the only religion which has been involved in violence.

what about the vatican's postition of "non-involvement" during the holocaust? thats some bullshit right there. watching other people die when you have to power to stop it is almost as bad as killing them yourself.

[StupidBikerBoy]

You can read something, but you really need to get an explanation of what this really means, in what timeframe of history was this presented. Why was this teaching presented? What was going on during this time? These are just a few questions that need to be asked when reading any HolyBook. If not then you can take the text and translate it anyway you want.
Very true. And I would say that is one of the biggest issues today.

Thanks for your answers.

I think a big problem today is people's understanding of texts, and abuse of religious influence mostly by people of power. For example, the word "Jihad" is just thrown around way to much to rally people to thier cause.

[StupidBikerBoy]

ppl forget a good bit of christianity was built on violence too.. the holy roman empire, the crusades... islam is not the only religion which has been involved in violence.

what about the vatican's postition of "non-involvement" during the holocaust? thats some bullshit right there. watching other people die when you have to power to stop it is almost as bad as killing them yourself.

Yes, but no one said anything about christainity or claimed there wasn't any blood in its history. Hell, I'd hate to even get started on the dark ages.

One difference I will point out in reference to christianity though, is this behavior is a thing of the past and hasn't happened for hundreds of years while the middle east has always been in turmoil due to the abuse of the muslim faith by mostly its own people.

[StupidBikerBoy]

None of the teachings of the Quran are inhuman.

I must apologize, I didnt mean it to sound that way (I was really tired then).

I meant more along the lines of it can easily been taken as inhuman and/or as a very bold charge.

[StupidBikerBoy]

A Muslim can be a beer drinker, weed smoker, doing crack, but as soon as you say something about his religion he will stand up for it 110%. No matter what. Can you say that about yourself?

That is a very honorable trait in my book.

And yes, I would stand up for my beliefs also, as do a lot of people I'm sure. The one thing that should be remembered though, is that the things that we as individuals will stand for are not limited to just a defined religion. For some, these "beliefs" can include more than that.

For me personally, I would have a problem taking another humans life for any reason unless my life (or my families') were in immediate danger. I would question as to why, if I was ever asked to do this. Life is to precious to be thrown away to prove a point.

[RiceBoy]

Good video...not only is the lady is assertive, but she is also correct.

[NoPainT]

Good video...not only is the lady is assertive, but she is also correct.

don't get it all started again... It was a peacefull discussion

[AtifSajid]

don't get it all started again... It was a peacefull discussion

LOL.. everyone is entitled to there opinion that have no idea.

[AtifSajid]

so are you saying that muslims have to live opressed in a dictatorship because they're islamic ? can islamic followers not live in a free democracy ?
sorry for my misspelling and i did'nt mean to offend

They shouldnt have to live in a dictator style government, it just happens that an asshole dictator starts running the country...and turns out that there are a few to many in the Middle East.

Look at Pakistan. The president Musharraf is one cool as person. he follows the religion of Islam closely, but he knows how to run a government. Everyone is happy. He is doing his best to weed out terrorists also.

[efman]

^ very good example !