Exhaust Drone?

[Kathryn]

Ok so I think most of us have all experienced this issue. You go out and buy a new exhaust/muffler, put it on, drive on it and a week later the noise is killing your ears. You try to tell yourself it sounds cool, but your girlfriend/spouse says she can't hear you over the "drone" of the muffler.

So what if a company produced a muffler that was a universal product where everyone could put one on, still have the exhaust rumble, but without the drone. Basically be able to "tune" the muffler's sound to your liking. Would you buy it and better yet- how much would you pay? Most muffler sell between $35-$200 depending on the brand.

[Wurm]

maybe you should sound deaden your car

[Kathryn]

maybe you should sound deaden your car

Maybe you should re-read the question.

[Vteckidd]

RMF makes a tunable muffler, i have never really understood how it all works though, but i think if it LOOKS good enough, and doesnt look ricey an REALLY works, it would sell

[Crazy Asian]

They already make em. Apexi has it called the Exhaust Control Valve and you can adjust the exhaust flow and sound. They even have it so you can control from the inside of your car. Pretty weird.

[CSquared]

Dude... you ever think that maybe your muffler bearing went?

It's rare but they go every once in a while.

[Flip]

Dude... you ever think that maybe your muffler bearing went?

It's rare but they go every once in a while.

Yah and check the exhaust fluid...

[Bruce Leroy]

they already have those kind of mufflers. The only problem is that MOST of them look like ass

[The BUCKY]

get a mugen twin loop. i can hardly hear mine.

[devin]

Dude... you ever think that maybe your muffler bearing went?

It's rare but they go every once in a while.




:lmfao: :lmfao: oh shit, i hope your kidding

[speedminded]

Ok so I think most of us have all experienced this issue. You go out and buy a new exhaust/muffler, put it on, drive on it and a week later the noise is killing your ears. You try to tell yourself it sounds cool, but your girlfriend/spouse says she can't hear you over the "drone" of the muffler.

So what if a company produced a muffler that was a universal product where everyone could put one on, still have the exhaust rumble, but without the drone. Basically be able to "tune" the muffler's sound to your liking. Would you buy it and better yet- how much would you pay? Most muffler sell between $35-$200 depending on the brand.Good luck on getting a small high strung 4 cylinder to rumble :tongue:

The idea is there but since it requires interchangeable or moveable parts they normally rattle or beginning rattling after a few weeks or months. The most effective tuneable mufflers have the replaceable tip/silencer at the outlet to restrict the flow.

As for sales, since we all know that's exactly what you're doing...you must have sound clips of differant mufflers/exhausts. Even though each engine is completely differant, and the sound actually has just as much to do with what's going in with the exhaust in front of the muffler as much as the muffler itself, it still gives the buyer a basic idea. Very few companies offer sound clips :2cents:

[Kathryn]

They already make em. Apexi has it called the Exhaust Control Valve and you can adjust the exhaust flow and sound. They even have it so you can control from the inside of your car. Pretty weird.

Apexi makes the ECV- but it is just a silencer with a spring loaded buttery valve that is installed to your current exhaust system. Yes it can be controlled from the cockpit, but you are just closing off the pipe restricting more air and building more pressure. This system just seems to be a bandaid to the problem and not really kill the "drone".

[lowjack]

Drone and resonance can be made less noticable by adding resonators which do not hinder the airflow. The issue we found with the Z was not having enough room to weld them inline with system. (I have 6 smaller resonators rather than one/two large mufflers)

Some cars are very difficult to tune to get rid of that drone/resonance. It usually varies by engine type, with V8 hitting it in the 1500 to 1800 rpm range, V6s in the 2000-2500 rpm range. It has been a thorn in the side of Every Exhaust Mfg. for years. Every engine made has a natural resonant frequency. The reason original equipment mufflers are so large and restrictive is a result of manufacturers attempting to control sound levels at the resonant rpm, ussaly decreasing performance.

I would be willing to entertain a truly "Tunable" exhaust if by using it did not decrease performance in either HP or Torque, but will at the same time keep the dB level at a livable level. I believe it would be difficult to develop a system which would allow for both. It's a lot easier to control resonance with a very restrictive exhaust system. The trick is controlling ti with a free-flowing system

So to answer your question, Yes. As for the cost, that all depends on the amount of gain/loss a system would offer. The other issue I see it that you would have to change more than just the muffler persay.

I hear the new deal out there is a "stealth" system. Which allows the user to open a section of pipe that is before the "stock" muffler. It increases performance, noise, as well can go back to a closed state if you were popped by the noise patrol.

Take Care,

[speedminded]

Drone and resonance can be made less noticable by adding resonators which do not hinder the airflow. The issue we found with the Z was not having enough room to weld them inline with system. (I have 6 smaller resonators rather than one/two large mufflers)

Some cars are very difficult to tune to get rid of that drone/resonance. It usually varies by engine type, with V8 hitting it in the 1500 to 1800 rpm range, V6s in the 2000-2500 rpm range. It has been a thorn in the side of Every Exhaust Mfg. for years. Every engine made has a natural resonant frequency. The reason original equipment mufflers are so large and restrictive is a result of manufacturers attempting to control sound levels at the resonant rpm, ussaly decreasing performance.

I would be willing to entertain a truly "Tunable" exhaust if by using it did not decrease performance in either HP or Torque, but will at the same time keep the dB level at a livable level. I believe it would be difficult to develop a system which would allow for both. It's a lot easier to control resonance with a very restrictive exhaust system. The trick is controlling ti with a free-flowing system

So to answer your question, Yes. As for the cost, that all depends on the amount of gain/loss a system would offer. The other issue I see it that you would have to change more than just the muffler persay.

I hear the new deal out there is a "stealth" system. Which allows the user to open a section of pipe that is before the "stock" muffler. It increases performance, noise, as well can go back to a closed state if you were popped by the noise patrol.

Take Care,resosance frequency's are crazy....running with an M3 on a mountain run at a certain rpm's we would match frequencies per say (b18c5 stock cat, high flow stainless resonator) Whatever that speed/rpm was it would make your head feel like it was going to implode :tongue:

On my old Z32 300zx, running stock cats with straight pipes i think it was 1,800 rpms that would set off car alarms (it's been so long i can't remember exact rpm)....could cruise at 5 mph through a parking lot or deck and get them going all over, go 500 rpm's higher and it wouldn't do it. Sounded good at WOT through the tunnels downtown though :D

Maybe they've come up with a white noise generator to cancel out the resonance :tongue:

[MDPsJcars]

My roommate has one of those apexi tunable mufflers and it still drones inside the car even with it restricted down. (b16a with high flow cat, header, 2.5 inch custom cat back) So i really dont see the point. If someone came up with something that had a lot of adjustability in sound and really worked well it would be great and probably sell. But even still there isnt too much of point in my opinion, considering that changing other parts of the exhaust system make a huge difference in sound as well.

[coolZero]

The 3200 rpm drone in my PT drove me crazy for years and yes my spouse hated it because you could not have a "talk" (I think that what she calls them lol) in the car. I dyno matted the whole car and put down 2 layers by the exchaust area and it just did not kill the drone (also had a resonator). Now I was running a Flow Master Delta 90 (it is a load exhaust).

I went to Paul's Custom Exhaust in Snellville and he got it corrected and my cars sounds deeper and better than before and I'm running true duals. This included the cat too so that was about half of the 600. So the exhaust part was like 325 give or take.

So if I were able to pay for a tunable muffler that could actually remove the drone and I could get for 100+ even it was still worth it to me. Oh and sound bites would be cool.

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