Ten Commandments

[Sibious]

So how do you feel about the ten commandments being in public places?

[HyPer50]

doesn't bother me at all... if ya dont agree with it/believe in em, just ignore em... simple as that heh.

[Sibious]

thanks to everyone this info going to be used in my paper that i need to write about.

[BABY J]

doesn't bother me at all... if ya dont agree with it/believe in em, just ignore em... simple as that heh.

I agree... but it's biggger. Nice try though. Why not post a KKK hat and logo in public too. If you don't believe in it, just ignore it.:no:

[collins]

i feel it.

[Hulud]

I agree... but it's biggger. Nice try though. Why not post a KKK hat and logo in public too. If you don't believe in it, just ignore it.:no:
touche

[HyPer50]

I agree... but it's biggger. Nice try though. Why not post a KKK hat and logo in public too. If you don't believe in it, just ignore it.:no:

They are allowed to aren't they? I know they are allowed there marches and stuff so I'd assume they are allowed to have other things posted as long as they weren't aimed at directly causing confrontations. *shrug* dunno tho.

[~The_Duke~]

I really dont give a flying fuck where they put them...

[The Golden Child]

post it so everyone can see it ..

[Hulud]

They are allowed to aren't they? I know they are allowed there marches and stuff so I'd assume they are allowed to have other things posted as long as they weren't aimed at directly causing confrontations. *shrug* dunno tho.
you honestly think it would be ok to hang KKK hoods in a public place?
cmon man your smarter than that

jesse jackson would be on their ass quicker than you can say Ku Klux Klan

[Hulud]

but in reference to the 10 commandments i dont give a fuck

[BABY J]

but in reference to the 10 commandments i dont give a fuck

Yeah. But this is AMERICA. LOL. The Muslims and Arabs, trash men and illegal immigrants might. We gotta make URR BODY happy ya know? Not just you! :screwy:

[Hulud]

Yeah. But this is AMERICA. LOL. The Muslims and Arabs, trash men and illegal immigrants might. We gotta make URR BODY happy ya know? Not just you! :screwy:
that is THE reason organized religion is dumb IMO

[BABY J]

Oh I know. I've followed your posts and I know u have followed mine as far as religion goes. We agree... I was being sarcastic.

[Hulud]

Oh I know. I've followed your posts and I knwo u haev followed mine as far as religion goes. We agree... I was being sarcastic.
haha gotcha

hard to tell sarcasm sometimes online

i completely skipped ove the trash man part LOLOL

[BABY J]

Oh, and the homeless too. Can't forget those guys and gals.

[Sibious]

vote

[Hulud]

vote
you dont have an "i dont give a fuck" option

[buddha@TeamFX]

I believe they should be in public places and in the gov't. Our country and laws were based off of them

[Sibious]

true

[5thgcelica]

I believe they should be in public places and in the gov't. Our country and laws were based off of them

yup..

i dont see why they cant be there... its not like its being forced to be looked at... so why cant it be there?

[Xan]

I agree... but it's biggger. Nice try though. Why not post a KKK hat and logo in public too. If you don't believe in it, just ignore it.:no:

You're comparing the ten commandments to the KKK? How'd you make that leap? The KKK is associated with decades of segregation and Black oppression(sp). How are the ten commandments offensive? It's common sense in writing. (except for the "whole thou shalt have no other gods before me", which is still open for interpretation). Isn't this a infringment on freedom of speech as well?

[sonic30101]

Yeah. But this is AMERICA. LOL. The Muslims and Arabs, trash men and illegal immigrants might. We gotta make URR BODY happy ya know? Not just you! :screwy:

illegal aliens shouldnt have any right as it is, so fuck em

[Hulud]

You're comparing the ten commandments to the KKK? How'd you make that leap?
The christian church has killed millions more than the KKK ;)

The KKK is associated with decades of segregation and Black oppression(sp). How are the ten commandments offensive?
its easy to see why some find it offensive
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

cmon you can see why people of other religions find it offensive


It's common sense in writing. (except for the "whole thou shalt have no other gods before me", which is still open for interpretation). Isn't this a infringment on freedom of speech as well?
its not an infringment, because you can post it if you feel like it. its the government that people are saying shouldnt post it up in public ;)

[C22H19N3O4]

I. Thou shalt worship only reason
II. Thou shalt abstain from invoking deities in the affairs of man
III. Thou shalt disdain all ritual
IV. Thou shalt abhor priestliness
V. Thou shalt loathe superstition
VI. Thou shalt reject all forms of spiritualism and supernaturalism
VII. Thou shalt regard skepticism as a virtue
VIII. Thou shalt reject racism
IX. Thou shalt reject all claims to a moral authority greater than man
X. Thou shalt, in word and action, strive to improve the human condition

I'm willing to bet Christians wouldn't want my Ten Commandments displayed in public.

The laws of this land are not governed by YOUR religion or deity. They are governed by, " We the People." :police:

[Hulud]

X. Thou shalt, in word and action, strive to improve the human condition
:goodjob:

[Xan]

The christian church has killed millions more than the KKK ;)

its easy to see why some find it offensive
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

cmon you can see why people of other religions find it offensive


its not an infringment, because you can post it if you feel like it. its the government that people are saying shouldnt post it up in public ;)

I see what you're saying, but do the ten commandments have a negative effect on anything?

[Sibious]

ya

[Jaimecbr900]

What exactly does it hurt, hinder, judge, or in anyway keep you from any business you have to conduct in a courthouse or gov't building?

If you walk into your friend's house and it's a freaking mess, do you walk right back out proclaiming, "since I keep my house spotless I refuse to come into yours because it's messy..."???? Or do you just suck it up and do what you have to do?

If you go into the courthouse, you have BUSINESS to conduct 99% of the time. Not many people go there to "hang out" and "discuss" life. You go there because you have to do something and get back to your normal routine life. Most people try their damnest to get out faster than they came in.

So why in the world would some statue or some plaque bother someone as they are barreling down a hallway to go pay a ticket or look up something? I'm willing to bet that the courthouses that still have anything remotely associated with this, not one single person that spends a regular amount of time (every once in a while) can off the top of their head name WHERE that plaque or statue IS in their own courthouse. As a matter of fact, most of the time IF it even still exists it is out near the parking lot or in some atrium or lobby. ONE place you pass by in mere seconds, IF EVER.

Why is it that in the year 2006 we are so caught up with trying to change something that was instituted back in 1776? Why not focus our efforts and time on changing things/laws that will benefit MANY rather than satisfy a few squeeky wheels? Political correctness is going to be the death of America as we know it. Everyone is always trying to re-invent the wheel.

It's ironic that people will easily and readily accept the "church's" charity when THEY NEED something, but then want to argue with you to death that there is NO GOD.

My opinion? I don't care either way. My faith is not based on some monument, so it's no skin off my back either way....stay or go. I just get tired of people putting so much emphasis on stuff that in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter.

[Jaimecbr900]

BTW, I had to vote "yes" as it was the closest to my opinion, but really there should be a choice up there for "don't care"..... :D

[Hulud]

I see what you're saying, but do the ten commandments have a negative effect on anything?
maybe to some, as well with a white hood

its all perception

[Hulud]

BTW, I had to vote "yes" as it was the closest to my opinion, but really there should be a choice up there for "don't care"..... :D
i voted other cause theres no idont care option

[Jaimecbr900]

i voted other cause theres no idont care option

That's probably what I should've done too.

[ISAtlanta300]

I. Thou shalt worship only reason
II. Thou shalt abstain from invoking deities in the affairs of man
III. Thou shalt disdain all ritual
IV. Thou shalt abhor priestliness
V. Thou shalt loathe superstition
VI. Thou shalt reject all forms of spiritualism and supernaturalism
VII. Thou shalt regard skepticism as a virtue
VIII. Thou shalt reject racism
IX. Thou shalt reject all claims to a moral authority greater than man
X. Thou shalt, in word and action, strive to improve the human condition

I'm willing to bet Christians wouldn't want my Ten Commandments displayed in public.

The laws of this land are not governed by YOUR religion or deity. They are governed by, " We the People." :police:

You lose that bet. I could give two shits what you want displayed in public. Hey I have to look at the countless memorials all around the cities and it does not offend me. Why would having the 10 commandments displayed offend you?

[C22H19N3O4]

You lose that bet. I could give two shits what you want displayed in public. Hey I have to look at the countless memorials all around the cities and it does not offend me. Why would having the 10 commandments displayed offend you?


I'll rephrase I my previous comment. I'm willing to bet Christians with political clout wouldn't want my Ten Commandments posted. Why would NOT posting the Ten Commandments offend Christians? It apparently horrified our state legislature enough to take action (SOURCE (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0701metnewlaws.html)). Why are Christians wasting tax dollars to bring this in front of the Supreme Court year after year? Where do you think the funding comes from to post this Christian hypocrisy? You can have it in your home, in your car, or tattooed all over your back. BUT don't expect my tax dollars to fund your religious rhetoric.

The only signs I want to see posted in a courthouse are the directions for the bathroom and courtroom numbers.

[ISAtlanta300]

I just do not get it. Does looking at churches while driving offend you too? Would you rather they demolish all of them to make you happy?

If you do not want to look at them in the courthouse, then don't go. Or close your eyes. It is not your house where you can dictate what they put up on their walls. Would you prefer a fuscia colored room and laminates too instead of marble?

[Jaimecbr900]

I'll rephrase I my previous comment. I'm willing to bet Christians with political clout wouldn't want my Ten Commandments posted.

It's all good in theory, but where would it stop?

Too often people will bring up a possible solution, that is a never ending pit.

IF the gov't allowed anyone's version of the "ten commandments", what would stop anyone from posting something that purposely offends someone else (as you well know and often use yourself)?

The word "God" is in the Constitution of the U.S. and in just about EVERY state's Constitution for the last 200 yrs, yet people are just now getting "offended" by it??? :rolleyes: What? People were deaf and mute before? Maybe stupid? Or maybe is it that we have far more whiners and PC sissies today? ;)


Why would NOT posting the Ten Commandments offend Christians?

It doesn't bother me one bit to take them out or leave them in. What bothers me is how the least majority and loudest squeaky wheel is the ONLY one that gets the grease. There are far more important things to focus attention and resources onto than this petty thing.



Why are Christians wasting tax dollars to bring this in front of the Supreme Court year after year?

It's called due process and every single citizen is entitled to it by the Constitution. But I do agree with you that it is a terrible waste of resources.

I suppose if the amount of time wasted by the people that want it taken OUT is OK though????? They as a matter of fact where the FIRST to bring legal action into the mix when they were sooooo "offended" by a rock..... :rolleyes:



Where do you think the funding comes from to post this Christian hypocrisy? You can have it in your home, in your car, or tattooed all over your back. BUT don't expect my tax dollars to fund your religious rhetoric.


Again, the gov't wastes tax dollars in the millions every single day. How much does a plaque cost? $10 ONE time? So money should not be the issue. Do the research and see how much of "your" tax dollars are not being embezzled by politicians every day? How much of "your" tax dollars is going towards the funding of fun trips and unnecessary luxuries afforded politicians in the name of serving you? Trust me there are infinitely far greater tax dollar waste in every level of gov't that a mere plaque in the courthouse lobby is not even a drop in the preverbial bucket.



The only signs I want to see posted in a courthouse are the directions for the bathroom and courtroom numbers.

What about law books? What about registries? What about public notices?

My point is that there are far more inflamatory, defaming, and even more mentions of religion in other documents all over any courthouse. Again, WHERE will it end? People have to learn to be a little more tolerant to those things they don't agree with because no matter how much you jump up and down about it, you can only change ONE person's mind about anything.....your own.

Just because you take down a document I agree with doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to forget about or disagree with it.....it's not out sight/out of mind for something like that. Even extremist Christians aren't right about this issue IMO.

It wasn't a big deal until the athiests made a big deal about it. Why is it such a bid deal now?

[C22H19N3O4]

I just do not get it. Does looking at churches while driving offend you too? Would you rather they demolish all of them to make you happy?

If you do not want to look at them in the courthouse, then don't go. Or close your eyes. It is not your house where you can dictate what they put up on their walls. Would you prefer a fuscia colored room and laminates too instead of marble?

What do you not get? Who owns the courthouse? Who should dictate what's on display? It obviously is not you or me. Last time I checked our taxes contributed to the upkeep of that public building. Again, you fail to grasp that our tax dollars are better spent elsewhere.

Would you be offended if a hairy naked 400 pound man paraded around you and your family? I'm pretty sure you would be. BUT all you have to do is look away. Just close your eyes. Would you call the police to have him arrested? Why should he have to put his clothes back on to make YOU happy?


There really is no compromise in this situation. Just b/c the display doesn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother 25 other Americans. Should their concerns be ignored? Should they have to endure staring at their version of the "400 pound man?"

[GTScoob]

I am all about separation of the church and state but I believe that they should be hung in judicial buildings. They're a good base for common morals which is appropriate in a court or other governmental building.

Its not like they have a Crucifix hanging in the courthouse . . .

[C22H19N3O4]

It's all good in theory, but where would it stop?

Too often people will bring up a possible solution, that is a never ending pit.

IF the gov't allowed anyone's version of the "ten commandments", what would stop anyone from posting something that purposely offends someone else (as you well know and often use yourself)?

The word "God" is in the Constitution of the U.S. and in just about EVERY state's Constitution for the last 200 yrs, yet people are just now getting "offended" by it??? :rolleyes: What? People were deaf and mute before? Maybe stupid? Or maybe is it that we have far more whiners and PC sissies today? ;)



It doesn't bother me one bit to take them out or leave them in. What bothers me is how the least majority and loudest squeaky wheel is the ONLY one that gets the grease. There are far more important things to focus attention and resources onto than this petty thing.




It's called due process and every single citizen is entitled to it by the Constitution. But I do agree with you that it is a terrible waste of resources.

I suppose if the amount of time wasted by the people that want it taken OUT is OK though????? They as a matter of fact where the FIRST to bring legal action into the mix when they were sooooo "offended" by a rock..... :rolleyes:





Again, the gov't wastes tax dollars in the millions every single day. How much does a plaque cost? $10 ONE time? So money should not be the issue. Do the research and see how much of "your" tax dollars are not being embezzled by politicians every day? How much of "your" tax dollars is going towards the funding of fun trips and unnecessary luxuries afforded politicians in the name of serving you? Trust me there are infinitely far greater tax dollar waste in every level of gov't that a mere plaque in the courthouse lobby is not even a drop in the preverbial bucket.




What about law books? What about registries? What about public notices?

My point is that there are far more inflamatory, defaming, and even more mentions of religion in other documents all over any courthouse. Again, WHERE will it end? People have to learn to be a little more tolerant to those things they don't agree with because no matter how much you jump up and down about it, you can only change ONE person's mind about anything.....your own.

Just because you take down a document I agree with doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to forget about or disagree with it.....it's not out sight/out of mind for something like that. Even extremist Christians aren't right about this issue IMO.

It wasn't a big deal until the athiests made a big deal about it. Why is it such a bid deal now?




The First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Everything in the Constitution is up for interpretation...just like the Bible. I won't argue that b/c I'd be here all day.

We all pick and choose are battles with how the government abuses its powers. I'm sure there are things that get under your skin. But should it be swept under the rug? Your voice should just as loud as the voice of 200,000 Americans. If you wanted to take action b/c the city of Atlanta is paying $125,000 in fines every month for polluting the Chattahoochee.....I'd support you. I expect all Americans to blow the whistle on government fraud. Will it make a difference? LOL...probably not. But we all still have to try. We can't just look away and hope it blows over.


We have to fight for what believe no matter how trivial. But we are creating a huge divide in this country during the process. I don't see it slowing down anytime soon.


I honestly don't want to see displays of a religious or spiritual nature in any courthouse. We're there for one reason.......to beat the ticket. ;)


BTW, without Christianity there would be no Atheism. :bump: :D

[Jaimecbr900]

There really is no compromise in this situation. Just b/c the display doesn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother 25 other Americans. Should their concerns be ignored? Should they have to endure staring at their version of the "400 pound man?"

There is no compromise because the left is the loud squeaky wheel.

Since when do words on a piece paper, plaque, or better yet ROCK jump up and DO anything to anyone?

Again, if you are offended by words out in a parking lot, then A: you have too much time on your hands, B: you have too much time on your hands, or C: have nothing better to bitch about.

A 400 lb man can walk and follow you and get in your way and MAKE himself a nuisance. A bunch of words on a plaque or a rock CAN'T. There's a difference IMO.

[Jaimecbr900]

The First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Everything in the Constitution is up for interpretation...just like the Bible. I won't argue that b/c I'd be here all day.

The Georgia State Motto and Crest both say that "Wisdom, Justice, and Moderation" Where is the Moderation in fighting over inanimate objects that DO nothing?

How are words inscribed in a rock establishing a religion anymore than words written in a book? Law books, Constitutions, and Sentences often refer to "God" and "soul" and "heaven" and "hell" and many other biblical references. WHY aren't you guys up in arms about that? Why not just get to book burning those law books and state Constitutions which merely MENTION there is a GOD????

Like I said before, there has to always be a beginning and an end. Perpetual only belongs to references of heaven and hell, which I know you don't believe in. Point is that somewhere someone has to say enough is enough. For over 200 years the same words have adorned many hallways throughtout the entire U.S.A. How come all of a sudden in the last few years has there been any contention as to it's validity under the "law"????

The truly ironic thing is that in order to argue a relatively new argument the detractors use one of the OLDEST Constitutional ideas known to man....."the separation of church and state"......although not one person yet has proven WHY our fore fathers would litter their documents with the word "GOD" yet now all of a sudden everyone THINKS they meant we have to have a Godless Nation..... ;)



We all pick and choose are battles with how the government abuses its powers. I'm sure there are things that get under your skin. But should it be swept under the rug? Your voice should just as loud as the voice of 200,000 Americans. If you wanted to take action b/c the city of Atlanta is paying $125,000 in fines every month for polluting the Chattahoochee.....I'd support you. I expect all Americans to blow the whistle on government fraud. Will it make a difference? LOL...probably not. But we all still have to try. We can't just look away and hope it blows over.




We have to fight for what believe no matter how trivial. But we are creating a huge divide in this country during the process. I don't see it slowing down anytime soon.

Why is that you condemn the "Christians" for protesting, yet right here you say we all MUST???? Can't have it both ways.

[Jaimecbr900]

BTW Sibsr20:

Is this helping you in your paper????? :lmfao: :D

[C22H19N3O4]

There is no compromise because the left is the loud squeaky wheel.

Since when do words on a piece paper, plaque, or better yet ROCK jump up and DO anything to anyone?

Again, if you are offended by words out in a parking lot, then A: you have too much time on your hands, B: you have too much time on your hands, or C: have nothing better to bitch about.

A 400 lb man can walk and follow you and get in your way and MAKE himself a nuisance. A bunch of words on a plaque or a rock CAN'T. There's a difference IMO.



Everything you just said is indicative of your own personal beliefs. Why should it negate my views? In essence you are saying that people who don't want the commandments publicly displayed should just grin and bear it? It's unfair for us to dictate what should or should not bother someone else. We just have to respect that it does. Unfortunately, you were right about being more tolerant. ;) But I suspect that's not the American way. :(

[Jaimecbr900]

Everything you just said is indicative of your own personal beliefs.

True.


Why should it negate my views?

Try as I might, it's obvious I'll never be able to accomplish that. ;)



In essence you are saying that people who don't want the commandments publicly displayed should just grin and bear it?

Just like we have to grin and bear many things that don't agree with our point of view. What's the difference? It's not a live preacher thumping a bible for GOD's sake. It's a plaque that you can easily and w/o any effort turn and go the other way from. What's the big deal? Noone has ever answered that question.....what's the big deal?



It's unfair for us to dictate what should or should not bother someone else. We just have to respect that it does. Unfortunately, you were right about being more tolerant. ;) But I suspect that's not the American way. :(

I have to agree with you there. :goodjob:

[C22H19N3O4]

I hope you're not an Ann Coulter fan. :D ;)

[Jaimecbr900]

I hope you're not an Ann Coulter fan. :D ;)

How'd you guess???? :D

[Jaimecbr900]

Got this in an email from my aunt just a little while ago, fits this theme:

[C22H19N3O4]

Your admiration shines ever so brightly. :sunshine: :D


BTW, Sibsr20 I'd like to see a copy of your paper when it's complete. I spent way too much time in there today. :lmfao:

[Jaimecbr900]

BTW, Sibsr20 I'd like to see a copy of your paper when it's complete. I spent way too much time in there today. :lmfao:

Ditto. :goodjob:

[Sibious]

haha ill frame i tfor you a have a sticky put up in this forum.lol if they coudl do that. haha

[Sibious]

appreciate everyones input. and thanks for voting

[ISAtlanta300]

I hope you get an "A" :)

[Sibious]

well find out 2morrow