Drinking Age (pt.2)

[Hulud]

we had this discussion a year ago, but only got a page and a half discussion, so lets get this one better...



what do you feel about teh drinking age should it be lowered/raised/stay the same?













me personally i feel that it should be lowered to 18 OR the draft/voting age should be raised to 21, they should all be the same.

if you are old enough to make decisions about the country, you should be able to make a decision about your own alcohol consumption

[Xan]

we had this discussion a year ago, but only got a page and a half discussion, so lets get this one better...



what do you feel about teh drinking age should it be lowered/raised/stay the same?













me personally i feel that it should be lowered to 18 OR the draft/voting age should be raised to 21, they should all be the same.

if you are old enough to make decisions about the country, you should be able to make a decision about your own alcohol consumption

I agree. If I'm old enough to kill for my country I'm old enough to drink a beer while doing it.

[2.0civic]

highly agreed with both you guys. thats why many clubs and liqour stores let you purchase alcohol on military ID without even worrying bout age.

[ShooterMcGavin]

honestly i don't think it matters, u can argue or vote over the technicalities all u want but ppl are gonna drink when they're gonna drink, plain and simple.

[Scrilla]

:werd:

[bigdare23]

I think they should raise the drinking age! Why? Because it not as fun drinking legally as it is illegally! Gives me a few more years to break the law.

[bdydrpdmazda]

The drinking age should stay the same, there are enough DUIs out there without allowing a younger more immature crowd to purchase it legally. I was drinkin was I was like 16 but now that Im a little bit older I can see the bigger picture. I do see the point about joining the military, but defending the freedom of our country and getting shit faced at bars should not go hand in hand.

[Hulud]

I do see the point about joining the military, but defending the freedom of our country and getting shit faced at bars should not go hand in hand.
thats where your wrong, its not about getting shitfaced
everytime you have an alcoholic beverage you plan on gettin shitfaced?

[ShooterMcGavin]

^^^unfortunately dudes got a point, many ppl out there ARE out to binge drink and get shitfaced everytime they drink.

[bdydrpdmazda]

thats where your wrong, its not about getting shitfaced
everytime you have an alcoholic beverage you plan on gettin shitfaced?

For people under 21 that is the intent 90 percent of the time.

[Hulud]

For people under 21 that is the intent 90 percent of the time.
because its illegal

[JennB]

I think it's fine where it is. I know it's lower in Europe but people in Europe use a whole lot more public transportation than we do and our culture of drinking is very different.

I do strongly think the driving age should be raised though.

[ShooterMcGavin]

:stupid:

[bdydrpdmazda]

because its illegal

yeah, im sure minors get drunk because its illegal. I did it becuase it was fun.

[Hulud]

yeah, im sure minors get drunk because its illegal. I did it becuase it was fun.
i know but if its legal at 18 then maybe the 18-21 crowd will be more responsible

but im not saying lower it im just saying it shouldbe the same as the draft and voting

[bdydrpdmazda]

i know but if its legal at 18 then maybe the 18-21 crowd will be more responsible

but im not saying lower it im just saying it shouldbe the same as the draft and voting

Maybe if someone is in the military they should be able to drink, might make more folks join the military, its taught me how to be responsible and I think all males should have to do three years in the military at 18 if they dont go to college.

[Hulud]

Maybe if someone is in the military they should be able to drink, might make more folks join the military, its taught me how to be responsible and I think all males should have to do three years in the military at 18 if they dont go to college.
i think if your gonna say that then not just males but everyone

[ShooterMcGavin]

i know but if its legal at 18 then maybe the 18-21 crowd will be more responsible

but im not saying lower it im just saying it shouldbe the same as the draft and voting

that's a big fuckin maybe there and one i wouldn't bank on. and i don't know that i'd agree with it being the same age as the draft and voting.

[GsrTurbo320]

drinking age 18..FTW!

[Jaimecbr900]

Lowering it would be silly IMO.

I agree that if you serve your country you SHOULD be able to legally drink a beer, but it's a simple fact that you're not fully cooked at 21 let alone at 18.

Most underage drinkers drink to excess, binge, because they are IMMATURE....it has nothing to do with legal or not legal. When I drank and was underage, getting blitz was the purpose otherwise why risk getting caught. We all thought is was "cool" to get shit faced and puke. Right of passage, like it or not. I don't know of a single person that looks back at anyone's underage drinking and thinks to themselves, "wow, I was cool then...". It's usually the opposite.

Over 21 people get drunk and act stupid all the time, absolutely. But as your age increases and the maturity level rises, you begin to see that drinking to get drunk each and everytime is overrated. You cannot expect 18 yr olds to have the mindset and maturity level it takes to control alcohol consumption w/o setting some kind of boundary. Right now is the law that serves as a boundary. Look at how many of us got carried out of a bar the day we turned 21.......I know I did. Why? Cause that's what I thought was fun at the time. Just like 99% of 21 yr olds.

What's the big deal anyway? How many people woke up hungover the day after their 21st birthday and asked, "that's it?". Just like a new GF, the initial fun is because it's new. After the fun wears off, she's either gonna be a keeper or not.

Personally, I was just like some of you younger guys when I was young too.....Couldn't wait until I turned 21 to be able to "legally" drink. But trust me, after you get there it's not any different than getting in your car and driving. We all counted the days until 15-16 to drive, now it's just what we do. Nothing too special 99% of the time, same goes for drinking.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

Seriously, this will never really happen because the public feels too strongly that the majority of 18 yr olds just aren't capable of the responsability. Ironically enough, you can get on a plane from Atl and in 3 short hours be somewhere where it is perfectly legal for 18yr old to drink. The irony is that it's legal there, but it's not that big a deal for the 18yr olds. It's just another thing.

[ISAtlanta300]

Lower it to 16. The earlier they "get it out of their system", the better......

[Hulud]

I agree that if you serve your country you SHOULD be able to legally drink a beer, but it's a simple fact that you're not fully cooked at 21 let alone at 18.

thats my whole point, not to neccesarily lower it but make it the same as the draft.

i mean if you can be forced to die for your country why cant you even have a beer?

[bdydrpdmazda]

i think if your gonna say that then not just males but everyone

women mature faster than men and they dont need help from a drill instructor to do so, thats why I said males.

[Hulud]

women mature faster than men and they dont need help from a drill instructor to do so, thats why I said males.
gotcha

[bdydrpdmazda]

thats my whole point, not to neccesarily lower it but make it the same as the draft.

i mean if you can be forced to die for your country why cant you even have a beer?

nobody is forced to do anything in the military, thats why so many hippies feel so sorry for the people in the war,because they feel we were forced to come here, we ALL volunteered our services to our country knowing the risks when we did it.

[Hulud]

Personally, I was just like some of you younger guys when I was young too.....Couldn't wait until I turned 21 to be able to "legally" drink. But trust me, after you get there it's not any different than getting in your car and driving. We all counted the days until 15-16 to drive, now it's just what we do. Nothing too special 99% of the time, same goes for drinking.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

Seriously, this will never really happen because the public feels too strongly that the majority of 18 yr olds just aren't capable of the responsability. Ironically enough, you can get on a plane from Atl and in 3 short hours be somewhere where it is perfectly legal for 18yr old to drink. The irony is that it's legal there, but it's not that big a deal for the 18yr olds. It's just another thing.
im 21, but my whole point is not "LOWER THE AGE....PARTY!!!!!!!!"
its on the fact of being forced to die for your country but they wont let you have any alcohol in the process

[Hulud]

nobody is forced to do anything in the military, thats why so many hippies feel so sorry for the people in the war,because they feel we were forced to come here, we ALL volunteered our services to our country knowing the risks when we did it.
you obviously did not read what i wrote here let me bold it for you


thats my whole point, not to neccesarily lower it but make it the same as the draft.

i mean if you can be forced to die for your country why cant you even have a beer?
last i checked the draft was where you were FORCED to fight in the military ;)

[Jaimecbr900]

thats my whole point, not to neccesarily lower it but make it the same as the draft.

i mean if you can be forced to die for your country why cant you even have a beer?


I do see your point, but in the Armed Forces you always have someone higher up in the chain of command overseeing you too. You don't just go rouge and Rambo and start shooting just for kicks.

If you turn all the 18 yr olds loose, who is going to be overseeing them? The Armed Forces serve as defacto parent to their soldiers and set rules for them and oversee them. There is no such thing in the general public, especially if the law backs them up.

I do see what you're saying though.

[Jaimecbr900]

im 21, but my whole point is not "LOWER THE AGE....PARTY!!!!!!!!"
its on the fact of being forced to die for your country but they wont let you have any alcohol in the process

Remember, noone has been drafted into the Armed Forces since Vietnam over 30 yrs ago. So in essence, noone is "forced" to die for their country.....they volunteer.

I think that if you are in the Armed Forces.....maybe they should just let you drink on the base or while stationed somewhere (although most places where we have military bases I think have a legal drinking age of 18 anyway :thinking: ) as a perk for serving your country.

[bdydrpdmazda]

you obviously did not read what i wrote here let me bold it for you


last i checked the draft was where you were FORCED to fight in the military ;)

last I checked there was no drinking age when the draft was last enforced.

[Hulud]

last I checked there was no drinking age when the draft was last enforced.
well you need to check again apparently

my dad was almost drafted for vietnam and the age in california at that time was 21 he didnt get drafted because they stopped the draft 2 months before his birthdate was called on.


"Twenty-nine states lowered their drinking ages to 18 between 1970 and 1975," Norelli told the House committee members

[Hulud]

Remember, noone has been drafted into the Armed Forces since Vietnam over 30 yrs ago. So in essence, noone is "forced" to die for their country.....they volunteer.

theres still that chance

[bdydrpdmazda]

theres still that chance

no there isnt, too many people are volunteering to serve for the government to need to force people.

[JennB]

It was 21 after prohibition and then lowered in some states to 18 or 19 in the 70's. This was right around when the voting age was lowered to 18 as well, people thought the same "if you can vote, you can drink". The idea didn't work too well. Studies showed huge increases in teenage DUI's and accidents and the age was raised again in most states. The the federal government stepped in and required it to be raised up to 21 all over or the state would lose certain funding.

[Hulud]

no there isnt, too many people are volunteering to serve for the government to need to force people.
ok then thats why after 9/11 there were people in teh govt trying to reinstate the draft? ;)

i mean what if n. korea keeps on with their pissing contest? and we get into a war? then what? we still have forces in iraq and all over the world we will need teh draft

[Hulud]

The the federal government stepped in and required it to be raised up to 21 all over or the state would lose certain funding.
and thats where teh federal govt has overstepped their boundaries and not letting the states govern themselves

[JennB]

If the states want to stand on their own, that is one thing but you can't take money and be part of a country and not follow the greater laws of the country. It's a fine line and a pretty controversial one in some issues. I agree that states make their own laws but only when upholding that law does not require federal money. It wasn't a huge amount of money and only related to highway funding, if they really wanted to do without it, I'm sure some states could have.

[Hulud]

thats true good point
but still i think the voting/draft/drinking age should be the same whether its 18/21/40 it should all be the same

[Jaimecbr900]

thats true good point
but still i think the voting/draft/drinking age should be the same whether its 18/21/40 it should all be the same

It probably won't ever be because the correlation of the three are not the same.

Yes, you can get killed while serving, but a DUI kills too. Voting won't ever kill you unless you vote Democrat.... :taun:

In other words, the relationship between the three is totally different and the only connection is age.

[Sibious]

os true and strongly agree. should start a pettition.

[static]

I agree. If I'm old enough to kill for my country I'm old enough to drink a beer while doing it.

You can drink beer when you're 18 in the army.

[xaznstylegrlx]

i believe... there shouldn't be an age limit.. like europe...
we'll have drunk kids walking around everywhere! XD

but 18 is used for everything else, so they should go ahead and set it as the age limit for drinking

[bdydrpdmazda]

You can drink beer when you're 18 in the army.

no you cant, not legally.

[unknown2k5]

yes, you can. a 18 year old in the military is able to drink and buy acholol but it is only legal on military bases.

[{X}Echo419]

I agree. If I'm old enough to kill for my country I'm old enough to drink a beer while doing it.

you damn right! :goodjob: +1

[bdydrpdmazda]

yes, you can. a 18 year old in the military is able to drink and buy acholol but it is only legal on military bases.

Im in the army and no you cant, you cant even buy cigarettes on post if the state the post is in has a tobacco buying age of 19 if your 18.

[Hulud]

It probably won't ever be because the correlation of the three are not the same.

Yes, you can get killed while serving, but a DUI kills too. Voting won't ever kill you unless you vote Bush.... :D

In other words, the relationship between the three is totally different and the only connection is age.
corrected lol

but anyways if you can make decisions about your country's leader why cant you make your own decisions on how much to drink? ;)

[JennB]

You used to be able to... years ago. Now the military uses the drinking age of the state they are in and that's 21. You can buy beer on Sunday in places that don't sell on Sundays though.... we used to do it in SC all the time. I've lived most of my life less than 20 miles from Fort Jackson.

[ShooterMcGavin]

^^^guess that's why guy was arguing you can drink if you're 18, because wouldn't the "local" law apply if you're serving abroad somewhere?

[JennB]

Yes, if you are stations in whatever country... you use their drinking age... but I don't really see how that matters when you just walk off base and it's the same.

[man]

Drinkin age 16, Driving age 18. Problem solved

[ShooterMcGavin]

i don't either, just saying that's prolly why the other guy was arguing that u could drink at the age of 18 in the "military"

[Hektik]

yes, you can. a 18 year old in the military is able to drink and buy acholol but it is only legal on military bases.

Negative my friend :no:

[NewGen33]

we had this discussion a year ago, but only got a page and a half discussion, so lets get this one better...



what do you feel about teh drinking age should it be lowered/raised/stay the same?













me personally i feel that it should be lowered to 18 OR the draft/voting age should be raised to 21, they should all be the same.

if you are old enough to make decisions about the country, you should be able to make a decision about your own alcohol consumption
I agree, but if you serve your country as a soldier or etc. you should be able to drink at the age of 18. Everyone else will have to wait until 21.

[LordMDP]

we had this discussion a year ago, but only got a page and a half discussion, so lets get this one better...



what do you feel about teh drinking age should it be lowered/raised/stay the same?













me personally i feel that it should be lowered to 18 OR the draft/voting age should be raised to 21, they should all be the same.

if you are old enough to make decisions about the country, you should be able to make a decision about your own alcohol consumption
+1 for once i agree 100% with you

[wantboost]

i feel that it should be lowered to 18 OR the draft/voting age should be raised to 21, they should all be the same.

if you are old enough to make decisions about the country, you should be able to make a decision about your own alcohol consumption agree 100%

[AlliRae]

i don't.... i mean i think the drinking age can stay the same or go lower... kids do it now just like anything else illegal.

but the reasoning on that just isn't legit to me, i'm sorry. I don't think making decisions on who runs the country allows you to drink. I mean in that case vote for a senator or someone in a federal office that wants to lower the voting age.

[LordMDP]

i don't.... i mean i think the drinking age can stay the same or go lower... kids do it now just like anything else illegal.

but the reasoning on that just isn't legit to me, i'm sorry. I don't think making decisions on who runs the country allows you to drink. I mean in that case vote for a senator or someone in a federal office that wants to lower the voting age.
but don't you think its absurd that you can join any branch of the military you want-get sent off across the world with a rifle to fight yet you can't come home and have a cold one??

[MachNU]

highly agreed with both you guys. thats why many clubs and liqour stores let you purchase alcohol on military ID without even worrying bout age.

I dont know if anyone pointed this out...since i didnt read the other pages...but this point is valid. Seeing as how if you are 18-20 and in the military you have the legal right to drink. Thats what you see 18-20 year olds buying liguor and such on a Military ID becuase they are allowed, one perk if you join the military under the age of 21!!!!!!!

Just thought i would give my :2cents: