rb20s in s13s are gay

[HalfBaked]

That is all.

Caught your ass, Snail! :slap:

[BTLFED]

Bahahaha! :lmfao:

[brads94accord]

YES!!!....LOL stick FTW

[BTLFED]

RB20's are nothing more than boat anchors!

[brads94accord]

i made an RB20 into a table once...sadly it exploded two days later killing three cats

[BTLFED]

Aww.....RIP cats. :(

Fuckin RB20s....

[Big Baller]

HalfBaked's b13 > All 42 of my 240s that I own.

[HalfBaked]

Ask and you shall recieve!

[TheSnail]

Yeah, I guess rb20's are almost as bad as b13 se-r trannys.

[HalfBaked]

It is possible they are worse...

[chnco]

wicked burn!!!

[Tank]

ok why are rb20's so bad in s13's can someone answer that cause ive seen this thrown around and have no clue why

[BigTs13]

HalfBaked's b13 > All 42 of my 240s that I own.

LMFAO!!! :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[SampaGuy]

ok why are rb20's so bad in s13's can someone answer that cause ive seen this thrown around and have no clue why

they are not bad. just old and heavier than a stock KA, which in theory screws up the handling (sr20 is 100lbs lighter than KA; ca18 is 144lbs lighter). and they have 6 cyl yet make less torque than a sr20. and when u upgrade the injectors u have to buy 6 instead of 4. best bang for the buck though if u want to stay below 250hp.

[TheSnail]

they are not bad. just old and heavier than a stock KA, which in theory screws up the handling (sr20 is 100lbs lighter than KA; ca18 is 144lbs lighter). and they have 6 cyl yet make less torque than a sr20. and when u upgrade the injectors u have to buy 6 instead of 4. best bang for the buck though if u want to stay below 250hp.



Well said

+1

[skillzilla]

and they have 6 cyl yet make less torque than a sr20.

I dunno about this, mine doesnt.

[Big Baller]

really so how much torque do you make RBSTUD

[skillzilla]

228hp, 225tq with light mods and 13psi.

[Big Baller]

That would be less torque than an SR with the stock turbo mine made way more torque than horsepower and so did half baked I think.

With the 30R your not even close

[HalfBaked]

This is a dyno of a stock turbo SR.

[On_Her_Face]

yall are all gay 2jz in a 240 is where it is at...








excluding price :lmfao:

[skillzilla]

This is a dyno of a stock turbo SR.


hahahaha yeah right, youre telling me thats a stock SR at less than 13 psi? You are all lunatics.

[HalfBaked]

hahahaha yeah right, youre telling me thats a stock SR at less than 13 psi? You are all lunatics.

I didn't say less then 13psi.

But it isn't much more then 13psi.

[HalfBaked]

hahahaha yeah right, youre telling me thats a stock SR at less than 13 psi? You are all lunatics.

BTW, this is same car and same set up at 7psi...

[Big Baller]

hahahaha yeah right, youre telling me thats a stock SR at less than 13 psi? You are all lunatics.

Keep trying to hate, when your ready for a mother fuckin nissan education session you just let me know. Between me and Halfbaked we know more than you could ever hope too.


Hows that for cocky.

[SampaGuy]

I dunno about this, mine doesnt.

i was talking about the factory specs. but maybe im wrong i dunno.

[SampaGuy]

This is a dyno of a stock turbo SR.

isnt that the one that blew up :gay:

[HalfBaked]

isnt that the one that blew up :gay:

Yup, blew a piston ring.

Which is extremely common on fwd srs making that kind of power. Who cares tho, new rods and pistons mean I'll be able to more power then your piece of shit CA could ever imagine.

[Big Baller]

You dont want none ERIC

[1439/2000]

i was talking about the factory specs. but maybe im wrong i dunno.

Factory specs you are right and even modded rb20s suck.

202hp205 tq= sr20det

212hp/185 tq= rb20det

[HalfBaked]

sr > ka24de > ka24e > rb20 > ca18

[1439/2000]

Oh come on a Ca is better than a rb20!

I mean barely but...

[HalfBaked]

wait let me fix it...

sr20vet > sr20det > sr20ve > sr20de > ka24de > ga16de > ka24e > d15 > ca18 > rb20

[1439/2000]

Walking>rb20 240

[SampaGuy]

ca18 has 8 port head while sr20 (redtop) has only 4 port. ca18 is cast iron block while sr20 is aluminum block. but yea i wouldnt mind trading my ca for a sr lol.

and ka24e-t > ka24de-t

[1439/2000]

ca18 has 8 port head while sr20 (redtop) has only 4 port. ca18 is cast iron block while sr20 is aluminum block. but yea i wouldnt mind trading my ca for a sr lol.

and ka24e-t > ka24de-t


Who cares about the port shit on a ca? Ca guys always bring that up but NEVER make more power than an Sr so the verdict is it doesn matter.

But you're right about a single cam.

[HalfBaked]

I will give you the turbo single cam ftw.

But CAs still suck my balls.

People only buy them because they are poor and can't afford SRs, then they find out reasons why the CA is even sold.

[TheSnail]

Halfbaked that dyno was from a front wheel drive and a t28turbo. Es no counto

It depends on the Sr. A stock rb20 will beat a stock red top. A stock s15 or gtir sr will blow the brakes off a rb20. I had a Ca18 bone stock with a red top sr turbo beat 3 sr cars on the dyno making 223.7rwhp on 14lbs. Its all about the turbo.

[HalfBaked]

I have a t25 not a t28.

[TheSnail]

Its still a front wheel drive with a frontmount.

[TheSnail]

Wait, how did you blow a piston ring with a t25? lol

[1439/2000]

Wait, how did you blow a piston ring with a t25? lol

18 psi on a 1/2 inch thick intercooler?

Avenier vs r32 gts-t would be a funny race.

Aveniers slay all.

[TheSnail]

18 psi on a 1/2 inch thick intercooler?

Avenier vs r32 gts-t would be a funny race.

Aveniers slay all.


I heard you live off of Hawlkins Store rd?

[1439/2000]

I heard you live off of Hawlkins Store rd?

This is true. I went to Starbucks in the BMW last night and supposedly you were there and then left?

[TheSnail]

This is true. I went to Starbucks in the BMW last night and supposedly you were there and then left?


Yeah it was some crazy girl that I havent see in 2years. Thank god she has a bf now. But yeah, I saw Chris but then he left. He told me later that you brought the 2002 so he went and got the 510, yall should race if yall havent already to end the 35yearold grudge. But I see your vr4 everyonce in a while around the area since I live off of Hawlkins store as well.

[HalfBaked]

Its still a front wheel drive with a frontmount.

I'd rather have fwd with a frontmount then rwd with an stock rb20 sidemount. ;):taun::camera::police:

[TheSnail]

I wasnt saying it in a bad way. Was just saying it had less drivtrain loss and a frontmount.

[HalfBaked]

I wasnt saying it in a bad way. Was just saying it had less drivtrain loss and a frontmount.

True.

But my frontmount is probably more inefficient then a stock sr sidemount.

It is tinyyyy.

I figure my frontmount was causing me to detonate which is what destroyed my ring.

[TheSnail]

Was it the ring furthest from the throttle body?

[HalfBaked]

Yup.

[TheSnail]

Yeah well that one always gets the most air. And is normally the first one to crap out from running lean. I say run it a little richer or like what im going to do for my next car is have egt gauges for each exhaust runner. And tune the fuel accordingly. 4 widebands would be too much for my cheap ass, but Egt gauges I could afford.

[TheSnail]

Though I could have sensors for each and just click in the wideband one by one to check them. Hmmmm...

[HalfBaked]

I don't think I was running lean...

660cc injectors, z32 maf, nismo fpr.

[TheSnail]

What did you use to tune it?

[HalfBaked]

e-manage

[BTLFED]

Yeah it was some crazy girl that I havent see in 2years. Thank god she has a bf now. But yeah, I saw Chris but then he left. He told me later that you brought the 2002 so he went and got the 510, yall should race if yall havent already to end the 35yearold grudge. But I see your vr4 everyonce in a while around the area since I live off of Hawlkins store as well.

We were going to race but my coolant leak has gotten worse. It would have been the slowest race ever, but I think I can take him.

I would have called you to stop you from leaving, but I don't have your number. :tongue:

[1439/2000]

Yeah it was some crazy girl that I havent see in 2years. Thank god she has a bf now. But yeah, I saw Chris but then he left. He told me later that you brought the 2002 so he went and got the 510, yall should race if yall havent already to end the 35yearold grudge. But I see your vr4 everyonce in a while around the area since I live off of Hawlkins store as well.

Thats weird you live around here, I had never seen you around or maybe I have and didnt know it was you.

And on another note, I love talking in this thread because I like seeing rb20s are gay in the new posts.

[Tracy]

My parents live off of hawkins store rd

[SampaGuy]

if u guys are talking about hawkins store rd of canton rd and bells ferry.. i dont live far from there either

[1439/2000]

My parents live off of hawkins store rd

I saw your sisters car across the street. I was like www.batlground.com who the hell is that?

I made the connection later.

[BTLFED]

Now all these Marietta people are coming out of the woodwork...WTF!

[TheSnail]

Thats weird you live around here, I had never seen you around or maybe I have and didnt know it was you.

And on another note, I love talking in this thread because I like seeing rb20s are gay in the new posts.


Yeah for the past 2years Ive been driving around a red truck mostly, but did drive a black MR2 turbo and a midnight blue s13 hatch but those I had for only a couple of weeks. ps: BTLFED I pm'ed you my cell #

[HalfBaked]

I used to live near hawkins store rd.

Hell I still do.

BTW Voya, you never came over to lose in beer pong!

[BTLFED]

I used to live near hawkins store rd.

Hell I still do.

BTW Voya, you never came over to lose in beer pong!

I will own you at beer pong.

[HalfBaked]

No no you won't.

I'm honestly the best beer pong player here.

[BTLFED]

No no you won't.

I'm honestly the best beer pong player here.

So you are better than your roommate.....oooooooo!!!!

[HalfBaked]

Yes.

I am the best person at my apt.

[BTLFED]

Well then.....

(BTW I repped you just for the hell of it).

[HalfBaked]

Fuck, I have to spread love first.

[BTLFED]

Boo :hiss:

[skillzilla]

Factory specs you are right and even modded rb20s suck.

202hp205 tq= sr20det

212hp/185 tq= rb20det

4 doors are ghey, go start a family to match your car.

Secondly, seems EVERY stock SR I see just about dynos at under 200 hp/tq.

[HalfBaked]

4 doors are ghey, go start a family to match your car.

Secondly, seems EVERY stock SR I see just about dynos at under 200 hp/tq.

Odd.

My stock sr dyno'd above it.

Odd.

My stock sr > your piece of shit car.

Yes my motor is worth more then your car.

[BTLFED]

4 doors are ghey, go start a family to match your car.

Secondly, seems EVERY stock SR I see just about dynos at under 200 hp/tq.

His "4 door" would stomp a mudhole in your $3 S13.

[skillzilla]

I doubt it, but think what you want. IA is ALLLLLLLLLL about your opinion, in case the 0893275834759063 knuckleheads that post here didnt convince you of that already.

I will say an SR is overall a better motor than an RB20, stock for stock they are about equal, but Ive raced and beaten lightly modded SRs in my lightly modded car so I guess its whatever.

And you have a FWD car. go to the Honduh forum and get some respect.

[skillzilla]

His "4 door" would stomp a mudhole in your $3 S13.

Most likely, until it came to the style challenge. Galants cant hang with Neons as far as looks go.

[BTLFED]

I doubt it, but think what you want. IA is ALLLLLLLLLL about your opinion, in case the 0893275834759063 knuckleheads that post here didnt convince you of that already.

I will say an SR is overall a better motor than an RB20, stock for stock they are about equal, but Ive raced and beaten lightly modded SRs in my lightly modded car so I guess its whatever.

And you have a FWD car. go to the Honduh forum and get some respect.

Oh wait, are you talking about HalfBaked? His car is 2 door. I thought you were talking about 1439/2000's Galant VR4.

Edit: Where the hell did this convo go? I'm lost. I'm going to bed.

[HalfBaked]

And you have a FWD car. go to the Honduh forum and get some respect.

Hmm.

My fwd is faster then you on a highway.

My fwd is faster then you at at race track.

My fwd is faster then you at a drag strip.

Go suck some cock and gain street cred.

[skillzilla]

Hmm.

My fwd is faster then you on a highway.

My fwd is faster then you at at race track.

My fwd is faster then you at a drag strip.

Go suck some cock and gain street cred.

Dude you are right.

I really am jealous. I swear. I wanted a sentra for a real long time but forced to drive an s13. :( I want to check out your car sometime.

BTW, I do already suck dick for cocaine. I'm sorry I posted mean things about anyone.

Also, anyone knows where I can score black tar heroin.

[HalfBaked]

Dude you are right.

I really am jealous. I swear. I wanted a sentra for a real long time but forced to drive an s13. :( I want to check out your car sometime.

BTW, I do already suck dick for cocaine. I'm sorry I posted mean things about anyone.

Also, anyone knows where I can score black tar heroin.

It is cool bro, I think you have some issues you need to get clearn up.

[skillzilla]

I'm a fucking faggot.

I want to suck hard black cock for crack later. Also I have aids. I fucked Val (Dragonfly666kkk66) for fun. No, just kidding. REN IS FAT.

[HalfBaked]

I'm a fucking faggot.

I want to suck hard black cock for crack later. Also I have aids. I fucked Val (Dragonfly666kkk66) for fun. No, just kidding. REN IS FAT.

WTF.

You need banned!

[skillzilla]

Youre right, I do want a Sentra...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/candykane101/carlos3.jpg

Just not a pos like yours.

[HalfBaked]

That is the rb26 sentra.

That car is fast.

[TheSnail]

I used to live near hawkins store rd.

Hell I still do.

BTW Voya, you never came over to lose in beer pong!



My alcoholism brought me to the emergency room 2 weeks ago. Wish I could, but I don't drink any more:(

[HalfBaked]

My alcoholism brought me to the emergency room 2 weeks ago. Wish I could, but I don't drink any more:(

We can play with bowls of weed if you want?!

[HalfBaked]

Picture deleted

Someone ban him!

[Dragonfly5338]

Someone ban him!

LOL. You realize the mods can see that you're editing people's posts, right?


AIDS ftw.

[skillzilla]

did you have that picture on tap? thats kinda strange, mang...

[MachNU]

LOL. You realize the mods can see that you're editing people's posts, right?


AIDS ftw.

I dont think he is....since i am a mod i can see who deletes post and who edits them and that doesnt show him as editting anything.....so.....:dunno:

[Dragonfly5338]

I dont think he is....since i am a mod i can see who deletes post and who edits them and that doesnt show him as editting anything.....so.....:dunno:

Err. I was just kidding. Matt didn't edit anything. He's the best mod in the world. :yes:

[HalfBaked]

Me and Warren G. each regulate.

[EmotorsportsE]

I like RB20's, and CA's belong in go-karts. Sentras are cool too.

E

[skillzilla]

Someone ban him!

Awww wtf, whered your family portrait go?

[1439/2000]

4 doors are ghey, go start a family to match your car.

Secondly, seems EVERY stock SR I see just about dynos at under 200 hp/tq.

Oh wait did you want to race the vr4? 100 bucks anytime.

You have an rb20. You dont have 100 bucks to throw down.

[SpecV_Scott]

You're all gay. QR25DEs are where it's at. Until you turbo, supercharge, or spray them. Then they break. Oh well.


Now DIE IN A FIRE.

[skillzilla]

Oh wait did you want to race the vr4? 100 bucks anytime.

You have an rb20. You dont have 100 bucks to throw down.

I saw your car the other day, it looked HOT!!!

http://i.bigmir.net/auto/20708_0.jpg

And what else could I expect from you, Scotty, you would drive a Geo if it had a DSM symbol on it ;)

0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o....Edit! Now look at the bottom of this post. -BTLFED

[SpecV_Scott]

And what else could I expect from you, Scotty, you would drive a Geo if it had a DSM symbol on it ;)

Wrong. I would drive a Geo if it had a dsm ENGINE in it. Maybe.

[Sentra]

You're all gay. QR25DEs are where it's at. Until you turbo, supercharge, or spray them. Then they break. Oh well.

Also, Galants are the hottest cars on the road tho. So are b13 se-rs.

Now everyone play nice.

HAHA!! BOOST = BAD

[SpecV_Scott]

You're all gay. QR25DEs are where it's at. Until you turbo, supercharge, or spray them. Then they break. Oh well.

Also, Galants are the hottest cars on the road tho. So are b13 se-rs.

Now everyone play nice.

WTF??!? Some asshole edited my post? What a fag.

[BTLFED]

WTF??!? Some asshole edited my post? What a fag.

When someone edits a post, it says that they did at the bottom of that post.

I don't see anything at the bottom of that post.

[skillzilla]

You didnt previously either, when someone edited my post.

[BTLFED]

You didnt previously either, when someone edited my post.

Everyone can see it! Watch. I'll "edit" your last post with the Plymouth picture in it.

[HalfBaked]

Yea, kids are dumb these days.

Claiming their posts get edited, what douches.

They just are mad because they slipped up and talked shit bout wrong people and complimented people when they didn't want to.

[SpecV_Scott]

It doesn't show it when a Mod edits it. I would never type "tho."

[BTLFED]

It doesn't show it when a Mod edits it. I would never type "tho."

I am a mother fucking super mod! You can see I edited Skillzilla's post to show him. You are just trying to take back what you said. It's okay.

[SpecV_Scott]

I just edited my own post, and it doesn't say "edited by:"


Lookie! Editted by halfbaked!

[HalfBaked]

Interesting...

That says

"Last edited by HalfBaked: Today at 01:07 PM."

[BTLFED]

Interesting...

That says

"Last edited by HalfBaked: Today at 01:07 PM."

I guess they just don't get it.

[TheSnail]

I just picked up a programmable ECU for my rb20.






































































http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/thesnail/DSCN4678copy.jpg

[1439/2000]

^lol

You should get some Viewfinder gauges for it too.

[1439/2000]

Actually I just put an rb20 computer into my car last weekend.

[skillzilla]

^be careful, your car might explode with that much processor...


Wait, thats a mitsu, its bound to happen anyways.

[BTLFED]

^be careful, your car might explode with that much processor...


Wait, thats a mitsu, its bound to happen anyways.

So you have an RB20, right? When you hit 88 mph do you go back in time? I mean, with an ECU like that it's gotta have a flux capacitor.

[xXnimbusXx]

So you have an RB20, right? When you hit 88 mph do you go back in time? I mean, with an ECU like that it's gotta have a flux capacitor.


+1 lol :cheers:

[1439/2000]

^be careful, your car might explode with that much processor...


Wait, thats a mitsu, its bound to happen anyways.

One time at a drift event I saw the water pump pulley fly off an rb20 car and it went into a drain. Check yours now.

[skillzilla]

One time last year I saw a DSM without a blown headgasket or crankwalk, you should start saving up.

[1439/2000]

One time last year I saw a DSM without a blown headgasket or crankwalk, you should start saving up.

Well my motor is built and I have a 6 bolt crank. They dont walk.

And you saw without any problems so whats to worry about?

Ahh rb20 people...short changed in the wit department too.

:goodjob:

[HalfBaked]

Well my motor is built and I have a 6 bolt crank. They dont walk.

And you saw without any problems so whats to worry about?

Ahh rb20 people...short changed in the wit department too.

:goodjob:

Stop yelling at him.

He isn't deaf, he is austistic.

[1439/2000]

Stop yelling at him.

He isn't deaf, he is austistic.

De! De! Deeeee!

[Dragonfly5338]

De! De! Deeeee!

HERPULES!

[rupertaker]

One time at a drift event I saw the water pump pulley fly off an rb20 car and it went into a drain. Check yours now.


That made my day LOL

[skillzilla]

Well my motor is built and I have a 6 bolt crank. They dont walk.

And you saw without any problems so whats to worry about?

Ahh rb20 people...short changed in the wit department too.

:goodjob:

Yeah, I saw one. Every other one Ive seen is either a pot holder in someones backyard or stripped to shyt in a junkyard, with all the parts gone to other POS cars so they can stay on the road this week and get their broke ass owners to McDonalds in time for the night shift. Have you been promoted to fries yet?

[1439/2000]

Yeah, I saw one. Every other one Ive seen is either a pot holder in someones backyard or stripped to shyt in a junkyard, with all the parts gone to other POS cars so they can stay on the road this week and get their broke ass owners to McDonalds in time for the night shift. Have you been promoted to fries yet?

No I was demoted to bathroom duty, the manager caught me fisting your autistic sister in the freezer.

You still didnt read what you wrote. It made no sense.

[skillzilla]

No I was demoted to bathroom duty, the manager caught me fisting your autistic sister in the freezer.

You still didnt read what you wrote. It made no sense.

I have two brothers, no sisters, so I hope you washed up afterwards. And since Im on a philosophy binge lately:

Statement:
One time last year I saw a DSM without a blown headgasket or crankwalk, you should start saving up.

Implication:

Premise 1 - Last year I saw a DSM that was running fine
Premise 2 - The average person sees hundreds of DSMs a year
Inference 1 - I have seen hundreds of other DSMs in the past year
Inference 2 - The one I saw that was running was noteworthy
Inference 3 - When a DSM breaks, it is expensive to fix
Conclusion - The vast majority of DSMs do not run, and their owners are broke

Final Conclusion:

You like little boys.

[sean8564]

SR20's are gay the CA is a much better motor as well as any Rb motor

[BTLFED]

SR20's are gay the CA is a much better motor as well as any Rb motor

This has to be a joke.

[sean8564]

yeah it is I just think that nissan folks should shut up and be cool with all the motors that the factory produced and go make fun of hondas and ford s

[1439/2000]

I have two brothers, no sisters, so I hope you washed up afterwards. And since Im on a philosophy binge lately:

Statement:
One time last year I saw a DSM without a blown headgasket or crankwalk, you should start saving up.

Implication:

Premise 1 - Last year I saw a DSM that was running fine
Premise 2 - The average person sees hundreds of DSMs a year
Inference 1 - I have seen hundreds of other DSMs in the past year
Inference 2 - The one I saw that was running was noteworthy
Inference 3 - When a DSM breaks, it is expensive to fix
Conclusion - The vast majority of DSMs do not run, and their owners are broke
Final Conclusion:

You like little boys.


How many Galant VR4s have you seen? My car wasn't made in Illinois so its not a DSM.

There are a shitload of parts available and its been the cheapest car to maintain I've ever had.

Last, DSM's break because they are fast. RB20s break because they suck ass.

I will race you from a dig for money anytime to show you what its all about.

[BTLFED]

yeah it is I just think that nissan folks should shut up and be cool with all the motors that the factory produced and go make fun of hondas and ford s

What an ignorant statement. I own a Datsun and a Honda. Does that mean you are only going to half way make fun of me? :rolleyes:

You are an idiot. :slap:

[skillzilla]

RB20's dont break, period. So there.

[MusicManG3]

Wow, okay, Lets be a little more embarrasing car enthusists.
The RB20 speaks for itself, Its an old ass engine. Its a good one for what it was back then. Nissan knows this and thats why we have the RB25 and RB26, 2 of the baddest engines around.

And ultimately, its all about applications. A KA-T can outpower a CA18, but a CA18 is common for auto-X and drifters and obviously not for drag people. And honestly, I think the KA-T is being developed into one of the most powerful 240sx engines out there.

Keep up with the current numbers being produced on Ka-t.org. These guys are squeezing huge amounts of power out of their KA's, getting good reliablity, and without spending a HUGE amount of money. And beyond that IVAN is hunting down the current SR20 record. And he'll prolly get it to with the set up he's going with.

Its all preference, so what are you all bitching about. Go back in your garages and play with whatever engine you have and choose and have fun with it.

And beyond that, Your galant isnt the hottest thing on the road, so you might wanna reality check yourself before you head gets so big it explodes.

[BTLFED]

And beyond that, Your galant isnt the hottest thing on the road, so you might wanna reality check yourself before you head gets so big it explodes.

It's way hotter than a 240sx with an RB20 in it. The RB20 is still nothing but a boat anchor. If someone wants to put an RB25 or RB26 in their 240, thats cool IMO because they are atleast bigger displacement engines than what should be in the car, but why in the fuck would someone put something heavier in the front of a 240 and still have a 2 litre?! Because it's cheap. That shit is stupid. I would leave a KA24DE in the fucking thing before I would put an RB20 in it.

[HalfBaked]

SHIT.

I GAVE MUSIC MAN POSITIVE REPS ON ACCIDENT.

[MusicManG3]

It's way hotter than a 240sx with an RB20 in it. The RB20 is still nothing but a boat anchor. If someone wants to put an RB25 or RB26 in their 240, thats cool IMO because they are atleast bigger displacement engines than what should be in the car, but why in the fuck would someone put something heavier in the front of a 240 and still have a 2 litre?! Because it's cheap. That shit is stupid. I would leave a KA24DE in the fucking thing before I would put an RB20 in it.


Did you read what I said? I said nothing in the RB20's defense, if you are going 6 cyl. go 2jz or atleast a RB25. I said give the engine props concitering how fucking old and outdated it is. BEYOND that, the RB20 is still a decent platform for A LOT of power. Thats why people still put them in. I dont know of anyone willing to spend money on a RB20 to keep it stock.

READ before you rant.
And I wasnt compairing his galant to a RB20 powered s13. All I know is I've seen far too many cars outpowering his to talk so boldly.

[BTLFED]

Did you read what I said? I said nothing in the RB20's defense, if you are going 6 cyl. go 2jz or atleast a RB25. I said give the engine props concitering how fucking old and outdated it is. BEYOND that, the RB20 is still a decent platform for A LOT of power. Thats why people still put them in. I dont know of anyone willing to spend money on a RB20 to keep it stock.

READ before you rant.
And I wasnt compairing his galant to a RB20 powered s13. All I know is I've seen far too many cars outpowering his to talk so boldly.

I wasn't ranting, I was stating my opinion, just like you were. Maybe you should do some fucking reading. :rolleyes:

[skillzilla]

It's way hotter than a 240sx with an RB20 in it. The RB20 is still nothing but a boat anchor. If someone wants to put an RB25 or RB26 in their 240, thats cool IMO because they are atleast bigger displacement engines than what should be in the car, but why in the fuck would someone put something heavier in the front of a 240 and still have a 2 litre?! Because it's cheap. That shit is stupid. I would leave a KA24DE in the fucking thing before I would put an RB20 in it.

Its funny to me how closely this mimics the Super Street RB25 install article, almost word for word. Your memory is like a steel trap.

And youve GOT to be shitting me, the KA-T becoming the one of the most powerful motors for a 240? Theres 10 I can think of that Id rather swap in, the RB20 being one of them.

KA-T ftl all day long.

[HalfBaked]

No way.

KA-T rocks.

As long as its a KA24E-T.

[1439/2000]

If you want to put down 200 whp then ka-t or rb20 doesn't matter.

If you dont want to be a pussy, then get another motor.

[1439/2000]

And beyond that, Your galant isnt the hottest thing on the road, so you might wanna reality check yourself before you head gets so big it explodes.

Who the fuck are you? I've owned PLENTY of nice Nissans. I just picked a better platform for what I want to do.

Go drift into a glacier.

[BTLFED]

Its funny to me how closely this mimics the Super Street RB25 install article, almost word for word. Your memory is like a steel trap.

And youve GOT to be shitting me, the KA-T becoming the one of the most powerful motors for a 240? Theres 10 I can think of that Id rather swap in, the RB20 being one of them.

KA-T ftl all day long.

WTF are you talking about? I haven't read Super Street in YEARS. It's called simple logic. The fact that you say this is the same thing as they were saying just shows me that they might actually finally be coming to their sences instead of just featuring a bunch of ricer garbage, which is what made me stop reading it in the first place. I only read Sport Compact Car.

[BTLFED]

Who the fuck are you? I've owned PLENTY of nice Nissans. I just picked a better platform for what I want to do.

Go drift into a glacier.

Now for the comedy gold: This douche was born in 1988. I bought my CRX in 1996. When I started doing import performance this fag wasn't even double digits in age yet! :lmfao:

That should tell you how much his opinion means, Jay! :lmfao: ;)

[1439/2000]

About as smart as he is old.

I would like to see what kind of trash he drives. No respect for the VR-4 usually means S13.

[skillzilla]

WTF are you talking about? I haven't read Super Street in YEARS. It's called simple logic. The fact that you say this is the same thing as they were saying just shows me that they might actually finally be coming to their sences instead of just featuring a bunch of ricer garbage, which is what made me stop reading it in the first place. I only read Sport Compact Car.

This was about 3 years ago. Also, it was in Sport Compact Car, I was mistaken. Either way u are full of shit.

[green91]

This was about 3 years ago. Also, it was in Sport Compact Car, I was mistaken. Either way u are full of shit.

Man youve gotta be kidding me. Nearly ever person in this thread im sure has more experience than you with automotive performance, especially Chris. Tuck your tail and run away please.

[BTLFED]

This was about 3 years ago. Also, it was in Sport Compact Car, I was mistaken. Either way u are full of shit.

Bitch who in the fuck do you think you are talking to? I didn't get that shit from a fucking magazine, you douchebag. You are just mad because you have a fucking boat anchor in your car and everybody is laughing at you for it. I bet I have been doing import performance longer than you, and have forgotten more about it than you know so your pile-o-opinion means less than a burning sack of shit to me.

Go change your tampon and come back with a better attitude, bitch.

[skillzilla]

hahaha YOURE telling ME to check my attitude? Hows this: Eat my ass, fucker. Youre spouting off to me, not knowing what I know, what I have, or what I am. Youre E-thug to the fullest man, go take that shit to someone who cares what you or anyone on IA thinks. Why would I need to validate anything about myself to a bunch of IA douchebags? Some people have more of an existance than self-righteous posting on a notoriously thuggish ruggish forum and aspiring to be lead donkey.

Did you get youre new SCC issue yet? Pull any sweet ideas out of it yet? You better hurry, someone might beat you to it...

[HalfBaked]

Look you drive an rb20 car.

You obviously have a handicap sticker on your s13.

[MusicManG3]

Yeah, I drive a s13, building a KADET built bottom end. And Nowhere do I claim to have fountains of knowledge and experience. I honestly dont care either. You get no respect or props from me simply because your a cocky duchebag. Galant VR4...Looks like my grandma's grocery runner. May be fast, may be all wheel drive. Big deal, so is a WRX, so is the 3000GT VR4. Both nicer cars than yours.

And I'm a Auto-X/Drift type of guy. I like my car on a track. Take a look at amature GT racing, how many galants to you see on there, and how many s13's do you see on there. So, your comment on "no respect for the vr4 usually means s13" Is pointless.

AND SO WHAT IF YOU THINK THERE ARE MORE POWERFUL ENGINES OUT THERE. Get the fucking money to have one and install it and talk about. Go back to painting the dash on your fucking civic. KA-t's are hitting the 9's, easly drop into the 12's while still remaining very streetable cars and it doesnt cost a fortune to do. So what is your arguement?

[1439/2000]

Yeah, I drive a s13, building a KADET built bottom end. And Nowhere do I claim to have fountains of knowledge and experience. I honestly dont care either. You get no respect or props from me simply because your a cocky duchebag. Galant VR4...Looks like my grandma's grocery runner. May be fast, may be all wheel drive. Big deal, so is a WRX, so is the 3000GT VR4. Both nicer cars than yours.

And I'm a Auto-X/Drift type of guy. I like my car on a track. Take a look at amature GT racing, how many galants to you see on there, and how many s13's do you see on there. So, your comment on "no respect for the vr4 usually means s13" Is pointless.

AND SO WHAT IF YOU THINK THERE ARE MORE POWERFUL ENGINES OUT THERE. Get the fucking money to have one and install it and talk about. Go back to painting the dash on your fucking civic. KA-t's are hitting the 9's, easly drop into the 12's while still remaining very streetable cars and it doesnt cost a fortune to do. So what is your arguement?


There are 53,345,345,363 s13's and a few thousand GVR-4s.

Let me know when that KA-T is done so I drag your ass down the street.

240 people kill my ass. Get the money to have a powerful engine and then talk about it?

Well then lets talk noob. What about my 350 whp s14 that was autocrossed, drag raced, and was reliable as fuck, and will look 10 billion times better than your hunk of shit s13?
http://we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/i=wOTE2NDM5NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

You think I drive a Galant VR-4 because I don't have the money to drive something else? :lmfao:

Throw your KA in the trash can.

[HalfBaked]

Dude, Jay, he is building a built bottom end.

By that he means, he plans on one day buying rods and pistons. Or he already blew his rings and is too poor to afford new ones so is waiting for his next welfare check so he can buy new rings.

[1439/2000]

Dude, Jay, he is building a built bottom end.

By that he means, he plans on one day buying rods and pistons. Or he already blew his rings and is too poor to afford new ones so is waiting for his next welfare check so he can buy new rings.

Damn building a bottom end for over 300hp must suck.

[HalfBaked]

Damn building a bottom end for over 300hp must suck.

Building it for under 300 sucks more...

[1439/2000]

Building it for under 300 sucks more...

lol

[BTLFED]

hahaha YOURE telling ME to check my attitude? Hows this: Eat my ass, fucker. Youre spouting off to me, not knowing what I know, what I have, or what I am. Youre E-thug to the fullest man, go take that shit to someone who cares what you or anyone on IA thinks. Why would I need to validate anything about myself to a bunch of IA douchebags? Some people have more of an existance than self-righteous posting on a notoriously thuggish ruggish forum and aspiring to be lead donkey.

Did you get youre new SCC issue yet? Pull any sweet ideas out of it yet? You better hurry, someone might beat you to it...

You drive an S13 with a boat anchor in the front of it. You obviously don't know much. If you don't think that I can come up with common logic on my own and that I get it from a magazine you are truly a sad, sad, individual.

The bottom line is you bought an RB20 because it is cheap, thinking you were going to get a steak dinner for Taco Bell prices. Since you didn't get it and still drive a pile your tampon is full and you lash out at people with common sence trying to justify the fact that you made the wrong choice. It's really a pitty.

[1439/2000]

This thread fucking owns.

[BTLFED]

Yeah, I drive a s13, building a KADET built bottom end. And Nowhere do I claim to have fountains of knowledge and experience. I honestly dont care either. You get no respect or props from me simply because your a cocky duchebag. Galant VR4...Looks like my grandma's grocery runner. May be fast, may be all wheel drive. Big deal, so is a WRX, so is the 3000GT VR4. Both nicer cars than yours.

And I'm a Auto-X/Drift type of guy. I like my car on a track. Take a look at amature GT racing, how many galants to you see on there, and how many s13's do you see on there. So, your comment on "no respect for the vr4 usually means s13" Is pointless.

AND SO WHAT IF YOU THINK THERE ARE MORE POWERFUL ENGINES OUT THERE. Get the fucking money to have one and install it and talk about. Go back to painting the dash on your fucking civic. KA-t's are hitting the 9's, easly drop into the 12's while still remaining very streetable cars and it doesnt cost a fortune to do. So what is your arguement?

Both nicer? So they both have leather, 4WS, and things of that nature? That's a new one to me. :rolleyes:

And you are also questioning the Galant's racing abilities because you don't see them at some amature shit? News flash: They were only produced for 2 years in limited numbers (3000 total, if I remember correctly). Now, compare that to the 2398702795870984757 S13s on the road. You draw your own conclusion.

Besides, Galants were used more for Rally Racing:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/BTLFED/GalantRally.jpg

Know WTF you are talking about before you speak. :slap:

Run along now and let the grown ups talk.

[skillzilla]

hahaha that pic is fucking sick, I love it.

And I built an Rb20 S13 because I could do it with side money and not worry about crashing it into a tree or running it off a cliff. I could also beat the living shit out of it and be able to pick up a long block for 500 if something lets go (BTW, they are good to 400 stock, so I dont see that happening). Its not my Daily Driver, its not even my other Daily Driver. This is why I dont get butt hurt over Rb20 slander :)

[1439/2000]

Goddamn where did you find that picture? I love it. Thats the old Mofugas Maine Rally SCCA car. The next year it was totalled. I have the o2 external dump on my car.

[sebastianHoff]

this thread is great, i have nothing to contribute at this time except this...

do you think it might be possible for an s14 with an rb20 to be gayer?

[skillzilla]

I think thats gayer, because it actually takes a tad bit of thought to do that swap. Its not a 6-wire flyer like the S13 RB20 :)

btw F3 plug FTL.

[1439/2000]

S14 is gayer because an s14 is a little better than an s13, but the killer is putting a 20 year old motor in a 8 year old car.

But a 500 dollar s13 with a 1000 motor is still queer.

[HalfBaked]

this thread is great, i have nothing to contribute at this time except this...

do you think it might be possible for an s14 with an rb20 to be gayer?

I've been driving my friends rb25 s13 lately and it sucks ass.

I want to kill myself each time I get in that car. Mainly because the shifter is fucked up and I never have any clue what gear I'm in or where the fuck I'm shifting to.

[skillzilla]

I've been driving my friends rb25 s13 lately and it sucks ass.

I want to kill myself each time I get in that car. Mainly because the shifter is fucked up and I never have any clue what gear I'm in or where the fuck I'm shifting to.

You should try an automatic. One less pedal too (dont you have a club foot?)

[HalfBaked]

It is because the bushing are fucked, I know how to drive a fucking 5spd.

The motor itself sounds good, but it'd be nice if it would to rev to something worth a god damn.

[PSINXS]

I really need jay to sign up on supraforums.com and tear ball bearing supra a new one when it comes to dsm/mitsu talk. that guy thinks all dsm are poop

[1439/2000]

I really need jay to sign up on supraforums.com and tear ball bearing supra a new one when it comes to dsm/mitsu talk. that guy thinks all dsm are poop

Simple minds are hard to change.

"Well I have a Supra and you have crankwalk and a broken tranny."

"I have a 6 bolt crank and a built tranny."

"Just wait, race me on the highway. HA!"

[sebastianHoff]

I've been driving my friends rb25 s13 lately and it sucks ass.

I want to kill myself each time I get in that car. Mainly because the shifter is fucked up and I never have any clue what gear I'm in or where the fuck I'm shifting to.


to bad he put it in a shit box. i think you can swap over ka/sr shifter, but dont hold me to that.

[HalfBaked]

to bad he put it in a shit box. i think you can swap over ka/sr shifter, but dont hold me to that.

He has the parts to fix it but just haven't gotten around to it.

[PSINXS]

Simple minds are hard to change.

"Well I have a Supra and you have crankwalk and a broken tranny."

"I have a 6 bolt crank and a built tranny."

"Just wait, race me on the highway. HA!"
lol he's pussied out on every track call out he's gotten over there. but yet he still says they are horrible drag cars. he gets every dsm thread locked and deleted. he use to own a dsm but i guess since he got a supra he thinks he's god.

but back to the rb20s. they suck.

[rb240det]

Wow...what can I say? I just joined this forums because a buddy of mine recommended it to me. Just from reading this thread alone I feel like I wasted minutes of my life.

I would like to see some substantial information regarding the RB20 was a "boat anchor". Not just everyone's opinions. From everything I have ever read, you gain approx. 50-75 lbs over the KA. And that information is from ppl who have actually driven the car (before AND after the swap) onto a scale. Sooo you gain that much weight...wow. I hardly think that qualifies the RB20 as an anchor.

As far as for the cost of the motor...I have to say that paying 1K for my motorset really upset me...gosh what would I do with all that extra money that I saved. Perhaps drop it into the car and/or motor? And I would love to hear what "ancient" technology the RB20 is equipped with. And paying extra money for the other cylinders?! Yeah I had to fork out a whopping $60 for my 440cc Supra injectors (plus the $100 to have all of them cleaned and flowed).
This debate over RB vs. SR vs. CA vs. KA is extremely irrelevant and juvenile. Until someone brings meaningful information to this thread, it still remains a pissing contest. "My SR will crush your blah-biddy-blah S13 piece of crap...."
My RB20 was pushing over 250whp (Mustang dyno), with very little dropped into it ($700 turbo, $60 injectors, SAFC) at 14psi. So I would have to say that it was not a bad investment at all.

I am sure that many ppl will reply to this talking all kinds of trash. I might have even ticked some of you off, but I have respect for ALL Nissan motors. Yes some of them have more potential than others...but don't hate on one motor because you have a biased (and uninformed) opinion. I hope there is someone else on this thread that feels the way I do. If you respond to this, please make it a relevant discussion and don't come at me with ridiculous talk about my "POS" motor and such garbage.

[BTLFED]

Wow...what can I say? I just joined this forums because a buddy of mine recommended it to me. Just from reading this thread alone I feel like I wasted minutes of my life.

I would like to see some substantial information regarding the RB20 was a "boat anchor". Not just everyone's opinions. From everything I have ever read, you gain approx. 50-75 lbs over the KA. And that information is from ppl who have actually driven the car (before AND after the swap) onto a scale. Sooo you gain that much weight...wow. I hardly think that qualifies the RB20 as an anchor.

As far as for the cost of the motor...I have to say that paying 1K for my motorset really upset me...gosh what would I do with all that extra money that I saved. Perhaps drop it into the car and/or motor? And I would love to hear what "ancient" technology the RB20 is equipped with. And paying extra money for the other cylinders?! Yeah I had to fork out a whopping $60 for my 440cc Supra injectors (plus the $100 to have all of them cleaned and flowed).
This debate over RB vs. SR vs. CA vs. KA is extremely irrelevant and juvenile. Until someone brings meaningful information to this thread, it still remains a pissing contest. "My SR will crush your blah-biddy-blah S13 piece of crap...."
My RB20 was pushing over 250whp (Mustang dyno), with very little dropped into it ($700 turbo, $60 injectors, SAFC) at 14psi. So I would have to say that it was not a bad investment at all.

I am sure that many ppl will reply to this talking all kinds of trash. I might have even ticked some of you off, but I have respect for ALL Nissan motors. Yes some of them have more potential than others...but don't hate on one motor because you have a biased (and uninformed) opinion. I hope there is someone else on this thread that feels the way I do. If you respond to this, please make it a relevant discussion and don't come at me with ridiculous talk about my "POS" motor and such garbage.

50 to 75lbs over a KA is the key word here. I am talking about an SR20DET, not a KA. A KA is a truck engine, designed for torque, not HP. You made 250whp on a Mustang Dyno, which as a whole reads higher than any other dyno. What is your point? If you like the RB20, than fine, whatever, but if you are saying that this forum is a waste of minutes of your life, then leave. Just like you think none of us have provided substantial information and are just typing opinions, all you are doing is the same thing.

SR20: 2 litre, came in the car stock in Japan and is what the weight balance and suspension is set up for. 50/50 weight distribution.

RB20: 2 litre, 2 more cylinders, more weight biased toward the front of the car.

You wanna build something nose heavy to make power? THEN SPEND THE FUCKING MONEY AND PUT A BIGGER IRON BLOCK ENGINE IN IT, NOT ONE THAT IS THE SAME SIZE. Everybody wants a steak dinner for Taco Bell prices. :rolleyes:

[skillzilla]

hahaha 50/50 with an SR my ass, prove it. Either way the S13 handles like shit anyways, 50/50 or not.

rb240det made a few good points, Id like to see how the peanut gallery responds :)

[EmotorsportsE]

14psi only made 250 on a Mustang dyno? What size turbo were you using? We generally use a T3/T4, .63 ar, 50 trim, 450's, and a fuel controller, and pull 350. Guess you're running a smaller turbo. I like RB20's, and we're one of the main reasons there are so many people running around the southeast with them. Cause they are still proven to make power, not everyone is that worried about an extra 50 pounds, I even know someone pulling out their RB25 to go with a RB20. There's about to be another RB20 that will be out on the road making well over 400, closer to 500. Get you a Power FC instead of a SAFC2, you will make more reliable power.

E

[1439/2000]

250 hp with a turbo and injector upgrade? Its cheap but notcost effective. You should be able to make that on stock stuff.

My galant when it had the stock maf/injectors/turbo put down 280 AWD on a 4g63.

My 240 with stock maf/injectors/turbo put down 270 on a sr.

Matts sentra with a stock turbo sr, 650s, fmic, exhaust, z32 maf put down 305hp.

[1439/2000]

hahaha 50/50 with an SR my ass, prove it. Either way the S13 handles like shit anyways, 50/50 or not.

rb240det made a few good points, Id like to see how the peanut gallery responds :)

S13s have close to 50/50 distribution stock. And yes, they do handle like shit.

[green91]

Man id be very irritated to have bought a RB swap, spent $1g in upgrades and only push 250whp on a mustang dyno.

[skillzilla]

yeah I was at 228 at 13 psi, stock turbo and injectors. Dunno whats up with the low numbers.

[SpecV_Scott]

I'm no expert, but I've done a few autocrosses, mtn runs, etc over the years...in lots of different cars. Sometimes on street tires, sometimes on slicks, etc. I've pushed every car I've owned (and several I didn't own) to their handling limits, and beyond. So I like to think that I have a decent idea of how good or bad the handling of a car is. That being said....with the right suspension/tire setup, the S13 handles great. And they do in fact have very close to 50/50 weight dist with the SR installed.

[BTLFED]

hahaha 50/50 with an SR my ass, prove it. Either way the S13 handles like shit anyways, 50/50 or not.

rb240det made a few good points, Id like to see how the peanut gallery responds :)

He made more good points than any of your posts have. No one takes anything you say seriously anymore. Do yourself a favor and stop responding.

[BTLFED]

yeah I was at 228 at 13 psi, stock turbo and injectors. Dunno whats up with the low numbers.

It's an RB20. That's whats up.

[HalfBaked]

Matts sentra with a stock turbo sr, 650s, fmic, exhaust, z32 maf put down 305hp.


Don't forget also over 300ftlbs. Many people from this forum were at the shop when it put down those numbers as well...This was on a dynojet too none of that mustang dyno bullshit.

That right there should be the end of this thread.

SHOW ME AN RB20 DYNO SHEET WHERE THE RB20 WITH NO SPRAY ON STOCK TURBO, STOCK HEAD, STOCK BLOCK MAKES OVER 300WHP AND I'LL STFU.

I mean you have 2 extra cyl. I'm sure ya'll can do it.

[rb240det]

50 to 75lbs over a KA is the key word here. I am talking about an SR20DET, not a KA. A KA is a truck engine, designed for torque, not HP. You made 250whp on a Mustang Dyno, which as a whole reads higher than any other dyno. What is your point? If you like the RB20, than fine, whatever, but if you are saying that this forum is a waste of minutes of your life, then leave. Just like you think none of us have provided substantial information and are just typing opinions, all you are doing is the same thing.

SR20: 2 litre, came in the car stock in Japan and is what the weight balance and suspension is set up for. 50/50 weight distribution.

RB20: 2 litre, 2 more cylinders, more weight biased toward the front of the car.

You wanna build something nose heavy to make power? THEN SPEND THE FUCKING MONEY AND PUT A BIGGER IRON BLOCK ENGINE IN IT, NOT ONE THAT IS THE SAME SIZE. Everybody wants a steak dinner for Taco Bell prices. :rolleyes:

Actually you are incorrect sir. The Mustang dyno reads lower than most others (ie. Dynojet). After I had it dynoed on the Mustang, I had it dynoed a week later on the same setup on a Dynojet and put down 280whp. As far as the "low" numbers, that was because I found two boost leaks later that day, and I had to take out 30% fuel correction on the SAFC to accomodate for the larger injectors, and the car still ran rich. I've already had my ECU chipped to make up for the correction, so now when I swap it to my S14 I can just use the SAFC to tweak here and there. The turbo is a T3/T4 with a .57trim and .63 A/R. I don't intend to throw a ridiculous amount of boost and go for stupid high hp numbers, I prefer my car to be well-rounded.

As far as your "50/50" weight distribution, that's the first I have EVER heard of that. Yeah the RB20 adds two extra cylinders, but the trans is also longer than the KA, thus making up for the front weight bias. I believe on NICO a guy had his RB20 S13 weighed and it was more like 48/52...gosh must really handle like ass.

And no I am not typing my opinion, I have actually brought numbers to the discussion. A "nose heavy" car? Honestly man, I have yet to see any hard info backing that up. Perhaps you could bring some to the table....

"Don't forget also over 300ftlbs. Many people from this forum were at the shop when it put down those numbers as well...This was on a dynojet too none of that mustang dyno bullshit.

That right there should be the end of this thread.

SHOW ME AN RB20 DYNO SHEET WHERE THE RB20 WITH NO SPRAY ON STOCK TURBO, STOCK HEAD, STOCK BLOCK MAKES OVER 300WHP AND I'LL STFU.

I mean you have 2 extra cyl. I'm sure ya'll can do it."

Mustang BS? I fail to see your short-sighted point. The Mustang dyno is more accurate than many out there because it actually takes into account the weight of the car and other factors. I probably cannot show you a dyno sheet where a stock RB20 makes over 300whp, mainly because that is PUSHING the stock turbo's efficiency, not to mention the stock injectors are only 270cc. I don't know about you, but I prefer my injectors not to be at 115% duty cycle. As far as your 2 extra cylinder nonsense, they are the same FREAKING displacement....so your point is null and void.

"Man id be very irritated to have bought a RB swap, spent $1g in upgrades and only push 250whp on a mustang dyno."

Gosh you're right...except that I've fixed the problems that plagued me of the lower numbers, and once it is swapped over, I should easily be over the 300hp mark. Please unless you have something substantial to contribute to this discussion, stay out of it.

Guys once again, no one has yet to bring anything to this thread that has actually proven any point regarding the RB20 as an "archaic" motor with "old" technology. I'm not trying to stir up the hornets nest, but other than everyone's experiences with OTHER ppl's motors and dyno sheets, this thread has turned into nothing more than a bunch of guys yelling at each other with idle threats and ridiculous insults. I figured most of you would try to jump my case, but that is just fine. Unless someone brings some actual automotive knowledge to this discussion, then this thread is nothing more than playground banter.

[rb240det]

14psi only made 250 on a Mustang dyno? What size turbo were you using? We generally use a T3/T4, .63 ar, 50 trim, 450's, and a fuel controller, and pull 350. Guess you're running a smaller turbo. I like RB20's, and we're one of the main reasons there are so many people running around the southeast with them. Cause they are still proven to make power, not everyone is that worried about an extra 50 pounds, I even know someone pulling out their RB25 to go with a RB20. There's about to be another RB20 that will be out on the road making well over 400, closer to 500. Get you a Power FC instead of a SAFC2, you will make more reliable power.

E

And yes, I plan to get a PFC...unfortunately I do not have the money for it yet. And yeah, my buddy in Charlotte is putting his RB20 back together right now. His last dyno was 387whp, I'm ready to see what he's putting down now that has some bigger injectors, PFC, and a few other goodies.

[HalfBaked]

Haha, we are getting him soo frustrated.

You are the one who is talking about how you have extra cyl, so obviously its a better motor...right.

Also, upgrade your injectors and a rb20 still won't make shit power on that stock turbo.

You have a bigger turbo and injectors and still don't make the power my stock turbo'd sr makes.

Sorry to hear that.

[rb240det]

Haha, we are getting him soo frustrated.

You are the one who is talking about how you have extra cyl, so obviously its a better motor...right.

Also, upgrade your injectors and a rb20 still won't make shit power on that stock turbo.

You have a bigger turbo and injectors and still don't make the power my stock turbo'd sr makes.

Sorry to hear that.

Frustrated...I hardly think so. Maybe at your irrelevancy regarding this thread perhaps. Secondly, I have not made it a point at all during this discussion to point out the fact RBs have 2 extra cylinders did I? I never made the statement that RB's are better motors than SRs, so do not put words in my mouth.

As far as the RB20's not making power on the stock turbo, you may be correct. I have seen some pushing 240-250whp, which IMO is not bad. However the RB20's are limited by the capability of the stock turbo, which is not the fault of anyone doing the swap, but that's just how Nissan built the motor.

You're right, I don't have the power your magical SR makes...wait a tick, I don't even know what hp you are putting down unless you post it. And please, if you're arguments are going to follow the format you've been using on the rest of the thread (note...trash-talking), then please stop until you bring some substantial information. Not a bunch of kindergarden comments...grow up...please. Adults can actually have a conversation without using profanity and hurling insults, I know it's hard but give it a shot...you might feel a bit better about yourself.

[HalfBaked]

That 305whp sentra, that 1439/2000 is talking about is mine.

And like you said, the poor turbo on the rb20 is the way nissan built the motor, if it was meant to be a motor nissan wanted to perfom why not go with a better turbo like SRs came with...I just think it is funny that a common upgrade for a rb20 is a z31 turbo which is just as old as an rb20.

As for you saying you have a friend pulling their rb25 to put in an rb20, makes sense, might as well put a motor in their car that will rev to something decent.

The rb20 motor is extremely outdated, honestly how many motors these days are cast iron? Not to mention you can find rb20s that are what almost 25 years old?

[BTLFED]

Frustrated...I hardly think so. Maybe at your irrelevancy regarding this thread perhaps. Secondly, I have not made it a point at all during this discussion to point out the fact RBs have 2 extra cylinders did I? I never made the statement that RB's are better motors than SRs, so do not put words in my mouth.

As far as the RB20's not making power on the stock turbo, you may be correct. I have seen some pushing 240-250whp, which IMO is not bad. However the RB20's are limited by the capability of the stock turbo, which is not the fault of anyone doing the swap, but that's just how Nissan built the motor.

You're right, I don't have the power your magical SR makes...wait a tick, I don't even know what hp you are putting down unless you post it. And please, if you're arguments are going to follow the format you've been using on the rest of the thread (note...trash-talking), then please stop until you bring some substantial information. Not a bunch of kindergarden comments...grow up...please. Adults can actually have a conversation without using profanity and hurling insults, I know it's hard but give it a shot...you might feel a bit better about yourself.

Man, honestly, it is nice to see that you are bringing facts and relevance into this thread instead of lame ass Skillzilla's posts. You obviously have a good head on your shoulders, unlike him.

Look, it's okay to admit you have the bastard child of Nissan engines. It's what you like, and that's cool. I will be the first to admit that I have the bastard child of Honda motors in my CRX. I don't care. It's what I like. I am not out to make the fastest thing in the world. If I was it wouldn't be a Honda. If we all had the same tastes, then everyone would be driving the same shit. That would be boring.

I will admit, though, that I know the factory RB20 turbo is a pile of garbage. I know that more power can be had with a turbo worth a shit. BUT, the comparison that you keep making is your RB20 240 to a KA 240. This is not the comparison that WE are making. WE are talking about an SR 240 vs. an RB20 240. Yes, you are making good points, but they are not relevent to this discussion.

But Halfbaked's SR20DET Sentra still > all. I was there when it made those numbers, and frankly I was suprised it did. But the fact remains that it did, which proves both the superiority of the SR20DET and the fact that he is a badass. Ford fleet van white paint and all. :goodjob:

I'm not even getting into the dyno debate, but the "accuracy" of any chassis dyno is nothing but opinion. Nothing has ever been proven as fact.

[HalfBaked]

But Halfbaked's SR20DET Sentra is a badass. Ford fleet van white paint and all. :goodjob:


Finally, a post that contains truth!!

AND THE LAWD SAID, THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!!

BE GONE RB20 DEMONS!

[BTLFED]

Finally, a post that contains truth!!

AND THE LAWD SAID, THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!!

BE GONE RB20 DEMONS!

PRAISE THE LAWD! YER SOUL HAS BEEN LIFTED!!!

[rb240det]

That 305whp sentra, that 1439/2000 is talking about is mine.

And like you said, the poor turbo on the rb20 is the way nissan built the motor, if it was meant to be a motor nissan wanted to perfom why not go with a better turbo like SRs came with...I just think it is funny that a common upgrade for a rb20 is a z31 turbo which is just as old as an rb20.

As for you saying you have a friend pulling their rb25 to put in an rb20, makes sense, might as well put a motor in their car that will rev to something decent.

The rb20 motor is extremely outdated, honestly how many motors these days are cast iron? Not to mention you can find rb20s that are what almost 25 years old?

If you are talking about the red-top RB20's then yes they are very outdated as opposed to the silver-top (R32 GTS-T). Again, I would like to know what you guys see on the 20's as "outdated"...no one has brought any sort of information on that. Half-baked, I am not trying to be a jerk so please do not take me as such, but I would like some conlusive information regarding this discussion.

[HalfBaked]

It has an iron block, thats outdated in itself.

No hard feelings mang, I don't think any less of you for defending your motor choice.

[BTLFED]

It has an iron block, thats outdated in itself.

No hard feelings mang, I don't think any less of you for defending your motor choice.

Me either. It's Skillzilla that sucks at life. This new guy actually seems pretty cool....even if he has an RB20. ;)

[BTLFED]

Sidenote: SHIT!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HalfBaked again.

:(

[rb240det]

"Man, honestly, it is nice to see that you are bringing facts and relevance into this thread instead of lame ass Skillzilla's posts. You obviously have a good head on your shoulders, unlike him.

Look, it's okay to admit you have the bastard child of Nissan engines. It's what you like, and that's cool. I will be the first to admit that I have the bastard child of Honda motors in my CRX. I don't care. It's what I like. I am not out to make the fastest thing in the world. If I was it wouldn't be a Honda. If we all had the same tastes, then everyone would be driving the same shit. That would be boring.

I will admit, though, that I know the factory RB20 turbo is a pile of garbage. I know that more power can be had with a turbo worth a shit. BUT, the comparison that you keep making is your RB20 240 to a KA 240. This is not the comparison that WE are making. WE are talking about an SR 240 vs. an RB20 240. Yes, you are making good points, but they are not relevent to this discussion.

But Halfbaked's SR20DET Sentra still > all. I was there when it made those numbers, and frankly I was suprised it did. But the fact remains that it did, which proves both the superiority of the SR20DET and the fact that he is a badass. Ford fleet van white paint and all.

I'm not even getting into the dyno debate, but the "accuracy" of any chassis dyno is nothing but opinion. Nothing has ever been proven as fact."

I thank you for your opinion. You are correct, if we all had the same swaps, then it would be a boring world indeed. However, everyone's conlusions on the RB20 as being a "pile of garbage" is inconclusive. Once again, no one has brought anything to this discussion that ACTUALLY proves your point. Other than having a slightly ill-designed turbo, please name one bit of technology on the RB20 that is outdated. I do not see the point of bashing the RB20's...yeah they are cheaper than SR's, but they are near as popular (though they are becoming more and more common). Everyone that I have come in contact with that owns the RB20 can honestly say that they are very tough motors.

Anyrate...I have to pack up and head back from home. I guess I'll see where this discussion has lead when I get back to my apartment. Thanks guys!
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[rb240det]

It has an iron block, thats outdated in itself.

No hard feelings mang, I don't think any less of you for defending your motor choice.

Iron blocks are outdated? If anything I would prefer to go with one vs. aluminum. Yes you save weight, but iron is more resilient than aluminum. I see your viewpoint, but do not agree with it. The RB's were cast iron all the way to the R34 GTR, which was discontinued in what...'00-'01? I hardly think it's outdated.

[rb240det]

"This new guy actually seems pretty cool....even if he has an RB20."

LOL...hater.

[HalfBaked]

Iron blocks are outdated? If anything I would prefer to go with one vs. aluminum. Yes you save weight, but iron is more resilient than aluminum. I see your viewpoint, but do not agree with it.

I haven't seen too many aluminum block cars that are cracking blocks and shooting shit through them. I mean shit LS1s, LS2s, LS7s are all aluminum and seem to be doing just fine...

Just so you know, I've been driving an rb25 s13 daily for the past week. I've driven many sr s13s and honestly, you can feel a difference, the car it self just drives differently.

[BTLFED]

"This new guy actually seems pretty cool....even if he has an RB20."

LOL...hater.

Notice the smiley face on my ACTUAL post? It was a joke.

And "Hating" is bred from jealousy and/or envy. I do not envy you and I am not jealous of you. The "Nissan" I own most of the people in this thread don't know shit about besides the name. And I will be putting an SR in it.

[BTLFED]

Iron blocks are outdated? If anything I would prefer to go with one vs. aluminum. Yes you save weight, but iron is more resilient than aluminum. I see your viewpoint, but do not agree with it. The RB's were cast iron all the way to the R34 GTR, which was discontinued in what...'00-'01? I hardly think it's outdated.

So now you are comparing 2 litre to 2.5 to 2.6 to SR? Hmm....this debate is jumping all over the place.

And the first iron block that I thought was going to be brought up was the 2JZ. Amazing nobody did.

[HalfBaked]

GO POST IN THE DATSUN FORUM!

Oh thats right there isn't one! :P See how much they suck!

[HalfBaked]

The RB's were cast iron all the way to the R34 GTR, which was discontinued in what...'00-'01? I hardly think it's outdated.

You can't tell me though that the block/headwork are too similar in those two motors though.

They share what the same iron block, other then that entirely different.

Don't get me started on rb20s and rb25s badass intake manifolds.

[rb240det]

Notice the smiley face on my ACTUAL post? It was a joke.

And "Hating" is bred from jealousy and/or envy. I do not envy you and I am not jealous of you. The "Nissan" I own most of the people in this thread don't know shit about besides the name. And I will be putting an SR in it.

Ummm...I don't suppose you noticed the "LOL" in my post did you? I know it was a joke, I thought it was funny, that is why I was laughing at it. I was not implying jealousy or envy, I was having a good old fashioned laugh at a well placed joke.

[rb240det]

You can't tell me though that the block/headwork are too similar in those two motors though.

They share what the same iron block, other then that entirely different.

Don't get me started on rb20s and rb25s badass intake manifolds.

Once again...I never said anything about headwork. The RB20's head is pretty restrictive once you get higher hp numbers. That I will wholeheartidly agree with. My point was that they all utilize an iron block.

Not sure what your point is about the intake manifolds. They do look like pooh from the factory, but there are plenty of aftermarket options for them now.

[rb240det]

So now you are comparing 2 litre to 2.5 to 2.6 to SR? Hmm....this debate is jumping all over the place.

And the first iron block that I thought was going to be brought up was the 2JZ. Amazing nobody did.

And PLEASE...I am not comparing the different RB's to the SR. I am talking about the iron block used between all of the RB's. Forget about headwork, forget about displacement...I'm talking about the material used from the R31's to the R34 Skylines. Apparently Nissan did not think iron was too outdated. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

And yes the 2JZ > RB's...

[BTLFED]

GO POST IN THE DATSUN FORUM!

Oh thats right there isn't one! :P See how much they suck!

I'll go start my DATSUN while you go start your NISSAN.....

Oh, that's right, only one of the two is running right now, and it's not yours. :tongue1:

[HalfBaked]

I know there are a lot of aftermarket intake manifolds for the 20 and 25 motors, but don't they have issues with like the 5th or 6th cyl not getting enough air or fuel with some aftermarket manifolds which cause them to go boom?

[BTLFED]

Ummm...I don't suppose you noticed the "LOL" in my post did you? I know it was a joke, I thought it was funny, that is why I was laughing at it. I was not implying jealousy or envy, I was having a good old fashioned laugh at a well placed joke.

Oh, well then. It's hard to see ones intentions from their typing. I retract my previous statement then.

[BTLFED]

And PLEASE...I am not comparing the different RB's to the SR. I am talking about the iron block used between all of the RB's. Forget about headwork, forget about displacement...I'm talking about the material used from the R31's to the R34 Skylines. Apparently Nissan did not think iron was too outdated. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

And yes the 2JZ > RB's...

Oh, we are just talking iron blocks? My Datsun's L series engine is an iron block, and it is a 1973. That's some old shit. LOL

[HalfBaked]

I'll go start my DATSUN while you go start your NISSAN.....

Oh, that's right, only one of the two is running right now, and it's not yours. :tongue1:

Don't even act like you're 100% positive that yours will start.

[BTLFED]

Don't even act like you're 100% positive that yours will start.

I am 100% positive it will start. It always does. It is the most reliable vehicle I own, and the oldest.

I see another RB cheerleader looking at this thread.....lets hope he at least has some sense like RB240det does. I dunno though seeing as his name has xxxxx at the end of it.

[HalfBaked]

LOOK AT HIS DATE OF BIRTH..

rb20s were being put in skylines before that kid was born. the rb20sxxxx kid that is.

[RB240sxxx]

Ok?? so what???? That doesnt mean that I cant read about them or know about them or anything is it??? Y put me in this??? I am just a newb trying to see why you guys diss RB20 S13s...Sure some ppl do them because they have less money and cant get a SR, but some ppl are fans of the motors from the start... I mean I think its good to have a swapped or KAT'ed car rather than stock....:???:

Pleaseeee dont drag me in this....lol

[HalfBaked]

See thats where you're wrong.

If you don't have the money to afford a swap or a ka-t don't think you have to do it. You will end up just dumping money into a car that you'll never get back. If you do a ka-t you'll eventually need to replace your rings, pistons, and probably machine your block. Which isn't cheap.

A swap costs more then just the motor, there are lots of supplies you'd have to buy to do the swap, most likely you'll spend another $500+ putting the motor and stuff into the car.

I'm guessing if you have a car its an s13, you're obviously in high school, so my question is why do you want an rb20?

[RB240sxxx]

ok..dont hurt me...lmao...Ok here we go..I am in highschool, actually RB240DET is my friend....I have been wanting a S13 for a while believe it or not...But I had liked SRs alot..But stuff was alittle bit less expensive...I dont want to do a KAT, no diss respect to them, I love nissans in general, but I just always wanted to do a swap..TO ME...TO ME U GUYS...I like the both the SR20 and the RB20..Sure the SR is better overall, BUT I like the RB20DET because its less expensve and more in my price range, and I like the sound...Weight really doesnt matter to me, 60 pounds isnt alot to me...which it is to you guys, but that really doesnt matter to me...I just want a fun car to drive around while i am in school, and to have a turbo car to beat my friends in...I mean if i have more money and I feel i can get a SR and do some stuff sure I will do it...But with the goals i want, and the price the RB20 can do it for me...thats all man..NO beef, no dissing anyone, no arguing about nothing... Actually I did think of a SR20 swapped sentra...But i didnt know if SERs would be available at prices i can get S13s as...And thats alittle bit more expensive too....to me...

[HalfBaked]

You can get an b13 se-r probably for less then an s13. You can find them all day long for around $1500, even less if you want just a shell to do a swap in. Check out

www.sr20forum.com (http://www.sr20forum.com/) they have se-rs everywhere.

The sr20det for an se-r are pretty cheap too. You can get a bluebird for like $1400, or an avenir for around $1900-$2100 depending, which is same as a bluebird but newer and has a sidemount intercooler and ballbearing t25. Which is what I have in my car. Or get a gti-r motor for like $2500! Hell you could even keep it N/A and make over 200whp with an sr20ve.

The swap is insanely easy as well to do into an se-r.

As for a fun car, my se-r when it was stock was the most fun I've ever had in a car.

Anyways, I'm done at work so no more internet for me until tomorrow when I come back to work.

BTW, when I was in high school I wanted a sr20det se-r more then anything. So I can respect ya kid.

[green91]

Halfbaked, which of the det swaps came with a LSD in fwd?

[RB240sxxx]

I believe you have to use the SER tranny but i dont know if the bluebird was a AWD though...I think so....but u use the Sentra tranny..beacuse they (the GTIRs and aveniers????? i dunno about the bluebirds) are AWDs..... ...but those have LSDs....the SERs...the SERs i always find are more expensive +2k...I love my B13 sentras and G20Ts man thats the 2nd option...I guess I just liked 240s for sooo long...but who knows...I dont even 100% know yet... Glad to see that I am not getting hurt yet....:D :lmfao: ;)

[rb240det]

I know there are a lot of aftermarket intake manifolds for the 20 and 25 motors, but don't they have issues with like the 5th or 6th cyl not getting enough air or fuel with some aftermarket manifolds which cause them to go boom?

Hmmm...I've heard of some of the cheap Ebay manifolds leaning out the last two due to poor flow design. But the Greddy (RB25) manifold is tried and true, and I know a few friends that have some manifolds from Australia for there RB20's with great results. I'm actually talking to a guy now about building one for me.

"Oh, well then. It's hard to see ones intentions from their typing. I retract my previous statement then."

No worries man...it's all good.

[1439/2000]

http://we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/i=wOTE2MDkxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

The ultimate Nissans. :lmfao:

Me and Halfbaked rule the world.


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[RB240sxxx]

Nice cars... for the B13, can you put sunny front ends on them or pulsars? like ppl get S13 silvia fronts and put them on 240s....:???:

[skillzilla]

He made more good points than any of your posts have. No one takes anything you say seriously anymore. Do yourself a favor and stop responding.

Did u grow up in a milk crate? Can you read? Half the shit he said I already said in the first few pages of this thread. Pull your head out of your moms Vagina for 10 seconds and realize how trollish and retarded you are.

Did she beat you as a child? Did it hurt?

[skillzilla]

Ohhhh thats right, someone edits posts around here...

And before you come back with "It says blah blah at the yadda yadda when u edit w/e..." I am a mod on 3 boards, I know you can ninja edit. Dont be a tool.

[1439/2000]

Nice cars... for the B13, can you put sunny front ends on them or pulsars? like ppl get S13 silvia fronts and put them on 240s....:???:


Yeah you can. We're also making adapter plates for an rb20 to be put in it and made FWD. We're expecting great results. Over 210 to the wheels.

[sebastianHoff]

your all fucking nuts.

firstly, an s13 with an sr has no where near a 50/50 weight distribution, its more like 4x/5x. you put an rb in it, any rb, and it brings it closer to 50/50. the rb25/26 swap actually makes it closer as that swap uses a man sized transmission.

as for the iron block stuff, your arguing with a guy who sat down one day and said, "i think i'll buy a sentra and try to convince people its a good car. maybe i can pick up some highschool pussy crusin the walmart parking lot on tuesday night." ;)

all I-6 lean out in the last 2 cylinders if they dont have ITBs, swap a greddy manifold on to a 26 and it'll lean out too. its physics man, theres no escape.

they should have made more power with their rb20 considering what they did. course they could have bumped the fuel pressure, changed plugs, and advandced the timing and they would have made more power, but im some dumb hick with no shop, what do i know.

i think thats all. i'll be back in a day or two, if i come up with anything else i'll let you know.

[1439/2000]

Stock s13 suspension info:




Base case specifications :

OE front spring rate : 112lbs/in

OE rear spring rate : 112lbs/in

Car weight : 2850lbs

Weight distribution : 53/47% (f/r)

Unsprung weight : ~75lbs/corner

Front sprung weight : 700lbs/corner

Rear sprung weight : 600lbs/corner

Wheel base : 2m




53/47 is damn near perfect for RWD since the transfer under accel makes it 50/50. And thats stock. With a KA. RB weighs more so it gets worse.

[rb240det]

Stock s13 suspension info:




Base case specifications :

OE front spring rate : 112lbs/in

OE rear spring rate : 112lbs/in

Car weight : 2850lbs

Weight distribution : 53/47% (f/r)

Unsprung weight : ~75lbs/corner

Front sprung weight : 700lbs/corner

Rear sprung weight : 600lbs/corner

Wheel base : 2m




53/47 is damn near perfect for RWD since the transfer under accel makes it 50/50. And thats stock. With a KA. RB weighs more so it gets worse.

I'm trying to find that thread on NICO where a guy weighed his swapped S13 (RB20). I do not remember whether he used mounts or just the R32 crossmember, but the weight distribution was 48/52. Good enough for me...

[1439/2000]

Yeah the weight distribution isn't the problem, the problem is people swapping them, putting a bigger turbo on and putting down 250 whp. Thats lame.

[rb240det]

all I-6 lean out in the last 2 cylinders if they dont have ITBs, swap a greddy manifold on to a 26 and it'll lean out too. its physics man, theres no escape.

they should have made more power with their rb20 considering what they did. course they could have bumped the fuel pressure, changed plugs, and advandced the timing and they would have made more power, but im some dumb hick with no shop, what do i know.

i think thats all. i'll be back in a day or two, if i come up with anything else i'll let you know.

I'm not sure if you are referring to my dyno results, but my plugs were changed the day of, fuel pressure was fine, and advance was set at 15 degrees. And timing is certainly something you don't want to play around with just to get a bit more hp. With 2 major boost leaks...my power was going to rather disappointing, but with any luck I'll have it swapped over by the end of September if all goes well. Once it's done I'll throw the results on here.

[rb240det]

Yeah the weight distribution isn't the problem, the problem is people swapping them, putting a bigger turbo on and putting down 250 whp. Thats lame.

Apparently you did not read my previous posts. I had a couple boost leaks that I found later that day after pressurizing my IC piping. So with a MAF measuring XX amount of air entering, then dumping the amount of fuel needed to compensate, only to leak that air farther down the system = crappy dyno results.

Not to mention having to use an SAFC to tune with. 30% correction across the board isn't the greatest way to tune, but that has been corrected as well...

"Lame"...I can't help the fact I had a few issues with my car. Those have been corrected, so please don't judge me.

[HalfBaked]

The stock se-r LSD tranny bolts right up to the fwd sr20det.

The sr20det never came in a fwd car, only awd.

You can put the sunny front end, as well as swap tsuru headlights (which is what I have.)

[HalfBaked]

as for the iron block stuff, your arguing with a guy who sat down one day and said, "i think i'll buy a sentra and try to convince people its a good car. maybe i can pick up some highschool pussy crusin the walmart parking lot on tuesday night." ;)



I told you stop being so bitter!

Tell your sister not to hang out in the wal mark parking lot on tuesdays and she won't get put into those situations!

[BTLFED]

ok..dont hurt me...lmao...Ok here we go..I am in highschool, actually RB240DET is my friend....I have been wanting a S13 for a while believe it or not...But I had liked SRs alot..But stuff was alittle bit less expensive...I dont want to do a KAT, no diss respect to them, I love nissans in general, but I just always wanted to do a swap..TO ME...TO ME U GUYS...I like the both the SR20 and the RB20..Sure the SR is better overall, BUT I like the RB20DET because its less expensve and more in my price range, and I like the sound...Weight really doesnt matter to me, 60 pounds isnt alot to me...which it is to you guys, but that really doesnt matter to me...I just want a fun car to drive around while i am in school, and to have a turbo car to beat my friends in...I mean if i have more money and I feel i can get a SR and do some stuff sure I will do it...But with the goals i want, and the price the RB20 can do it for me...thats all man..NO beef, no dissing anyone, no arguing about nothing... Actually I did think of a SR20 swapped sentra...But i didnt know if SERs would be available at prices i can get S13s as...And thats alittle bit more expensive too....to me...

Holy shit. A kid with respect. One more person that actually has some sense and is coming at this thread the correct way. Props to you, my friend. :goodjob:

Like I said, I can appreciate the reasons for someone like yourself wanting an RB20. That is cool with me.

And since I was about 10 I always wanted a fast Datsun 510. I now have the 510, next is to make it fast. ;)

[BTLFED]

http://we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/i=wOTE2MDkxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

The ultimate Nissans. :lmfao:

Me and Halfbaked rule the world.


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Your old G20 gave me a boner. :D

[BTLFED]

Did u grow up in a milk crate? Can you read? Half the shit he said I already said in the first few pages of this thread. Pull your head out of your moms Vagina for 10 seconds and realize how trollish and retarded you are.

Did she beat you as a child? Did it hurt?

Didn't I already say I was done talking to you? We are having an intelligent discussion with the other two guys. We don't need your dumbassness bringing down the overall IQ of this discussion.

[HalfBaked]

Your old G20 gave me a boner. :D

And the se-r got you off...

Our cars had a way of tag teaming people.

[BTLFED]

And the se-r got you off...

Our cars had a way of tag teaming people.

Well, I mean, damn, your car is good at swallowing.

[RB240sxxx]

Holy shit. A kid with respect. One more person that actually has some sense and is coming at this thread the correct way. Props to you, my friend. :goodjob:

Like I said, I can appreciate the reasons for someone like yourself wanting an RB20. That is cool with me.

And since I was about 10 I always wanted a fast Datsun 510. I now have the 510, next is to make it fast. ;)

Thanks man..I didnt really get on here to talk trash or anything..Just to learn a few things from other ppl and you know, Kinda take up for the reason....See I have been wanting a 240 since i was like 11 also....So I guess its a good reason....;)

[BTLFED]

Thanks man..I didnt really get on here to talk trash or anything..Just to learn a few things from other ppl and you know, Kinda take up for the reason....See I have been wanting a 240 since i was like 11 also....So I guess its a good reason....;)

See, we really aren't complete assholes.... :D

[HalfBaked]

I am.

[BTLFED]

I am.

Well I am too, but you know what I mean. ;)

[skillzilla]

Didn't I already say I was done talking to you? We are having an intelligent discussion with the other two guys. We don't need your dumbassness bringing down the overall IQ of this discussion.

Its OK if you have something personal against me, that is Im sure what you base the majority of your life around: e-vendettas. That being said, how do you expect someone to take a thread entitled "* in * are gay" at all serious? This thread was a joke from the start, contains maybe 20% of actual valid info, and is completely discounted by your sorry ass stabs at peoples intelligence.

Ive already stated my opinions on RB20 S13s. The motor is cheap, makes 220 with light mods, and is pretty much painless to swap in and out. Anyone with an RB20 will tell you its a great motor for what it is: Nissans weird middle brother between L-series Z motors and next generation NEO RBs. Its heavy, low displacement, and has a small aftermarket. So what? It also revs to 8k, spools quickly, has tons of potential, and responds well to mods (when you do them right...). ANNNNNDD, I got mine for a grand shipped. Name another Nissan motor/shell combo that meets the above criteria and still has the potential to win the Grassroots challenge.

My car knowledge doesnt stop with the RB20, or Nissans, or imports, so lets talk shop if you want. Im not saying I know everything there is to know about mechanics, but I do know enough to ascertain you are talking 90% out of your ass and 10% out of a magazine. Itd be nice to actually have some intelligent, beneficial discussions on IA, but I gave up on that months ago, so quote this with some off color remark or mod another post of mine if it makes your e-peen feel bigger, but realize you are not, and will never be, on my level.

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Its OK if you have something personal against me, that is Im sure what you base the majority of your life around: e-vendettas. That being said, how do you expect someone to take a thread entitled "* in * are gay" at all serious? This thread was a joke from the start, contains maybe 20% of actual valid info, and is completely discounted by your sorry ass stabs at peoples intelligence.

This whole paragraph right here is complete garbage. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, so you are trying to discount my truths as "sorry ass stabs at peoples intelligence" as your last hope for making yourself look good. You failed.

NEXT!


Ive already stated my opinions on RB20 S13s. The motor is cheap, makes 220 with light mods, and is pretty much painless to swap in and out. Anyone with an RB20 will tell you its a great motor for what it is: Nissans weird middle brother between L-series Z motors and next generation NEO RBs. Its heavy, low displacement, and has a small aftermarket. So what? It also revs to 8k, spools quickly, has tons of potential, and responds well to mods (when you do them right...). ANNNNNDD, I got mine for a grand shipped. Name another Nissan motor/shell combo that meets the above criteria and still has the potential to win the Grassroots challenge.

FINALLY! A single, solitary paragraph of yours that actually makes sense without your bullshit cheap shots. I am willing to bet that if you actually came across like this in the first place we wouldn't have jumped your ass at all.


My car knowledge doesnt stop with the RB20, or Nissans, or imports, so lets talk shop if you want. Im not saying I know everything there is to know about mechanics, but I do know enough to ascertain you are talking 90% out of your ass and 10% out of a magazine. Itd be nice to actually have some intelligent, beneficial discussions on IA, but I gave up on that months ago, so quote this with some off color remark or mod another post of mine if it makes your e-peen feel bigger, but realize you are not, and will never be, on my level.

Back to your old self. First of all, I don't know hardly anything about domestics, so you can talk till you are blue in the face and I won't know or care what you are talking about. As far as my knowledge, what you "ascertain(you looked that up in the dictionary, didn't you)" as truth is completely wrong. My import knowledge started with Hondas OVER 10 YEARS AGO. How long have you been doing this? I mean, you are so much of a bitch you don't even have your year in your birthday, so obviously you are hiding something. The fact that it is YOU that is talking out of your ass and are really probably just some 16 year old douche that reads Nico and Fresh Alloy like they are parts of the bible and then runs back in here and posts it like it is your knowledge? I think so. Combine that with you thinking that I am editing your posts (which is bullshit besides the time I TOLD you I was doing it and marked the post that I did do it) and your constant remarks about people's "e-penises," and I think it is YOU that needs to get up to MY level.

[skillzilla]

Im 26 ;) And I am being a douche, but its all good cuz you are too. Maybe we can bury the hatchet and get along.

I started working on domestics about 12-13 years ago also, working on cars with my pops like most people get into mechanics. After HS moved to trophy trucks and prerunners, working at Camburg in California for a year as a lowly wrencher. After that I got into mini trucks for a bit, and got Nissan fever. For the last 4 years or so Ive been all about imports, Nissans mainly but others too.

[RB240sxxx]

Yea....See the thing is, see me and RB240det werent here to get mad and augue, we just wanted to state our OPs so you guys can see why they arent sooo bad.....Actually Skillzilla is a chill guy, well when I met em...I think its just he gets fustrated because he was the only one defending, and he took some things too seriously....:D ;).........So to end it IMO, RB20s arent gay...they just arent 100% better than SRs....;)

[1439/2000]

Yea....See the thing is, see me and RB240det werent here to get mad and augue, we just wanted to state our OPs so you guys can see why they arent sooo bad.....Actually Skillzilla is a chill guy, well when I met em...I think its just he gets fustrated because he was the only one defending, and he took some things too seriously....:D ;).........So to end it IMO, RB20s arent gay...they just arent 100% better than SRs....;)


I will agree.


Im 26 And I am being a douche, but its all good cuz you are too. Maybe we can bury the hatchet and get along.

I started working on domestics about 12-13 years ago also,

You were 13 when you started working on domestics? lol

[skillzilla]

I started working on domestics about 12-13 years ago also, working on cars with my pops like most people get into mechanics.

Handing wrenches to my pops, we all gotta start somewhere :) By 17 I was doing all my own shit.

I did take some shit serious though, its too childish around here for me soemtimes, and I regress into it for some reason.

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I did take some shit serious though,

There is problem #1. I can picture you mad as hell sitting at your keyboard at some of the bullshit in this thread. The only thing that got me even remotely irritated at all is the fact that you think I get my knowledge from a magazine. But then I just thought to myself "this guy has never even met me. He has no idea of who I am or what I know." Then I laughed.

The bottom line is I could care less what people on this site think of me. My persona doesn't change when one meets me in person. I have a whole ton of friends in real life that are on here, and some people on here that don't like me. I don't care either way.

[skillzilla]

Well, I wouldnt say I was all red faced mad or anything, just irked same as you. Im not one to discount people online because it isnt usually accurate, so I said some stuff out of spite.

[BruceAlmighty]

off topic, but wheres the sticky for:

CA's are gay
VG's are gay
VH's are gay
VK's are gay
QR's are gay

???

just curious, because we all know SR's are GOD and could NEVER be gay... :rolleyes:

[green91]

English is your second language, isn't it? You don't have a first. How about putting that into proper syntax, form, and grammar so that I can at least understand what you are saying before I dismiss it?

Are you normally this dumb or are you just having a blonde moment? You must have a very large brain to hold such a vast amount of sheer ignorance. Reading your post makes blindness a wonderful thing to look forward to. As Ellen Glasgow once remarked: "He knows so little and knows it so fluently."

I'm busy trying to imagine you with a personality. Maybe you'd be less boring once I got to know you, but I don't want to take that chance. You are the kind of person who, when one first meets you, one doesn't like you. But when one gets to know you better, one hates you. Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic loser if you didn't have that botched back street lobotomy that left you that crisscrossed shoelace scar on your forehead; if your weren't so fat that all the restaurants in town have signs that say: "Maximum Occupancy: 80 Patrons OR You.", or if you didn't have a face that would give Freddie Kruger nightmares. Who am I kidding? You would.

In conclusion, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded?