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05-27-2006, 06:29 PM
What is you guys/gals favorite 90's jap muscle car and why?

We have the:
Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo/NA
Toyota Supra Twin Turbo/NA
Mazda RX7 Twin Turbo/NA (FC and FD Chassis)
Honda/Acura NSX
Mitsubishi 3000GT

I personally enjoy the 300ZX Twin Turbo. Very fun car to drive true, T-Tops (I actually like better than the single targa top Supra) The Supra is nice, but there are too many curves for me, same with the FD RX7

bigdare23
05-27-2006, 06:30 PM
300zx!

3kgtdrvr
05-27-2006, 06:38 PM
hey hey hey....what happened to the 3000gt???

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05-27-2006, 06:41 PM
Fixed lol my bad. I knew mitsubishi had a muscle car out there i just couldnt think of it

CSquared
05-27-2006, 06:44 PM
Mk3 toyota supra turbo. Not an option but was made until 1992. (bitches)

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05-27-2006, 06:49 PM
yall is some critical mf'ers. just pick a car. I really meant the thread to be about the twin turbo cars but if you like a car, say it and talk about it. i just like reading you guyz responses

aaronfelipe
05-27-2006, 07:25 PM
Honda FTW

1439/2000
05-27-2006, 07:45 PM
Galant VR-4?

Bruce Leroy
05-27-2006, 09:04 PM
Eber since I was little I've always been partial to the 3000gt.

3kgtdrvr
05-28-2006, 02:49 AM
hell yeah for 3000gts...too bad i cant vote for it :(

CSquared
05-28-2006, 02:51 AM
1992 toyota paseo.

David88vert
05-28-2006, 06:15 AM
RX7. Handling.

Killswitch Performance
05-28-2006, 12:51 PM
Hmm.. 3000GT. Check the sig! The car with the most votes isn't even on the list!! LoL..

HyPer50
05-28-2006, 04:13 PM
Neither "Early 90's" nor "Japanese" go with the word muscle car....

CSquared
05-28-2006, 09:24 PM
^agreed.

EJ25RUN
05-29-2006, 09:11 AM
jap muscle car?

dont exist.

ranj
05-31-2006, 04:01 PM
i can't vote on this, i likem all

95jdmdc4
05-31-2006, 09:23 PM
i will take the nsx, hands down, one of the best handling cars and more exotic looking then the other options, granted, could be faster, but the newer ones do a 13.3 1/4 mile, not exactly slow out of the box. Thats my choice. Go get an nsx type r and out handle all of those on a curvy road.

thursdaybuff
06-01-2006, 10:52 PM
ha, i pick the z!

TallGuy
06-03-2006, 01:48 PM
Z for me.

Demsum
06-04-2006, 07:33 PM
With the NSX being the closest thing to my ideal car, thats my choice.

{X}Echo419
06-06-2006, 02:55 PM
Hmm.. 3000GT. Check the sig! The car with the most votes isn't even on the list!! LoL..
ditto. TT AWD AWS :idb:

3kgtdrvr
06-06-2006, 07:42 PM
^^^for real!

BABY J
06-07-2006, 11:17 AM
hey hey hey....what happened to the 3000gt???

It had too much muscle (weight) and could not make it. Fat kids, sheesh! :)

3kgtdrvr
06-07-2006, 06:09 PM
It had too much muscle (weight) and could not make it. Fat kids, sheesh! :)

lol also very true but at least it has twice the engine i have now in my civic lol

fight club
06-07-2006, 06:33 PM
lol also very true but at least it has twice the engine i have now in my civic lol

n sadly the civic is prolly faster :D

3kgtdrvr
06-07-2006, 06:53 PM
bullshit! that damn civic can barely break the tires loose in the rain lol

Killswitch Performance
06-08-2006, 08:12 AM
See... I think that the majority of people think 3000GT's are slow, becuase they aren't even aware that there is a TT model.

If you would like to line up against my "heavy, slow, pos" I will take you on, anytime.

Tyler

Ran
06-08-2006, 01:00 PM
I voted for the Z32. Mainly because the design of it is so...unique. In the early years before they loaded it with luxury crap, the car had a fair balance of handling, power, and appeal yet didn't excel in any area. Then again, it didn't really fail in any either.

To me the Z32 300ZX is a car that, no matter how much time goes by, will always be unique, indentifiable, and damn cool to look at.

Ludester
06-08-2006, 03:44 PM
supra.. sexy!

Ran
06-08-2006, 04:46 PM
See... I think that the majority of people think 3000GT's are slow, becuase they aren't even aware that there is a TT model.

If you would like to line up against my "heavy, slow, pos" I will take you on, anytime.

TylerI love the 3000GT VR-4 but the car is pretty heavy. Also with the AWD I was expecting a little more when I test drove one. Still, they are nice cars. I hear that their transmissions are pretty sub-par as well. Any truth to this?

3kgtdrvr
06-08-2006, 05:07 PM
in all honesty, even as much as i loved my 3000gt, i would probably pick any of those cars over a 3000gt :o

BLk92DA
06-08-2006, 07:47 PM
there's no such thing as a japanese muscle car. its all technologies...no REAL MUSCLE..what an insult

cyb593
06-10-2006, 08:31 AM
i would have to say the 300zx nd the supra are both unique and very indentifiable. how can you miss either of those. i think the supra is the best body of a car that toyota ever made. the 6gc is right there with it and why couldnt they be considered muscle cars. they basically are but instead of draining your gas when you floor it the japanese kept there gas in there tank the only difference. the americans went for a bigger engine the better to them and japanese went with smaller engine and lets get all out that we can. so i guess you are right we wont call them muscle cars we will call them non P.O.S.:jerkit: . all the american cars are getting owned:lickpuss: by the japanese. sooner or later the amercan car corporations will either make a decision to make a better product or they will be shut down. my oppinion of this of coarse.

EKnight
06-12-2006, 10:01 PM
well, i am partial to anything with a 3sgte.......

damn toyota for not bringing over the st205 celicas.........

cyb593
06-13-2006, 10:37 PM
agreed^^

PSINXS
06-13-2006, 10:45 PM
i have owned a 300zx 1990 and loved it. but still I am partial to the supra.

sprix!
06-22-2006, 07:25 PM
Thats a tough choice. I agree with what peeps said earlier about the 3000GT VR-4. Yes, it was massive, but it moved! I would probably take that first for its rareness.

sprix!
06-22-2006, 07:26 PM
Fixed lol my bad. I knew mitsubishi had a muscle car out there i just couldnt think of it
Can you not modify the poll?

3kgtdrvr
06-22-2006, 08:40 PM
...i started a trend lol

RotarySlave
06-22-2006, 11:04 PM
Is there any love for the rx7?

Bruce Leroy
06-23-2006, 11:21 AM
I LOVE rx7's. Bur rotary's scare me.

1439/2000
06-23-2006, 04:13 PM
Hmmm there is no NA Fd. And why would NA be an option for any of the choices?

"I think the Supra is the coolest, but it has to be NA." WTF?

man
06-23-2006, 07:41 PM
Hmmm there is no NA Fd. And why would NA be an option for any of the choices?

"I think the Supra is the coolest, but it has to be NA." WTF?

FC was made til 91;)

1439/2000
06-28-2006, 03:35 PM
:D
FC was made til 91;)

Well yeah but when you are talking about the ultimate muscle car rotary, its an fd. fc is a close second.

StupidBikerBoy
06-29-2006, 11:19 AM
I like all of them out of those choices, but each one of them has advantages over the other.

I voted supra for the targa top and 2jz.

sebastianHoff
08-18-2006, 08:32 PM
heres a question, in what universe were any of those cars fast AND cheap? some of them werent even that fast, by early 90s standards...

the only japanese car sold in america that comes close to being a "muscle car" would be a gen1 turbo eclipse (or one of the many variants).

Ran
08-21-2006, 03:20 PM
the only japanese car sold in america that comes close to being a "muscle car" would be a gen1 turbo eclipse (or one of the many variants).Plymouth Laser :lmfao:

1439/2000
08-21-2006, 03:46 PM
Plymouth Laser :lmfao:

Lasers rock my socks. :eek:

Yeah this fucking gullwing 1g is the baddest japanese muscle car made ever.

One of 5 made and Jackie Chan has one.

http://jyaga-.hp.infoseek.co.jp/P1010024.jpg
http://jyaga-.hp.infoseek.co.jp/P1010023.jpg
http://jyaga-.hp.infoseek.co.jp/P1010015.jpg

NAIZBST
08-21-2006, 05:29 PM
Lasers rock my socks. :eek:

Yeah this fucking gullwing 1g is the baddest japanese muscle car made ever.

One of 5 made and Jackie Chan has one.

http://jyaga-.hp.infoseek.co.jp/P1010024.jpg
http://jyaga-.hp.infoseek.co.jp/P1010023.jpg
http://jyaga-.hp.infoseek.co.jp/P1010015.jpg


remindes me of my 1g I used to have

Evil Goat
08-21-2006, 05:42 PM
fd>*

lightspeed
08-21-2006, 05:57 PM
hey hey hey....what happened to the 3000gt???
the poll isnt for the most overweight japanese car ever :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
anyway, musclecars are RWD.
I wouldnt call the rx7 a muscle car though.
Id say sports (rx7) and/or GT cars (the others.)
id call the supra the closest thing to a japanese muscle car.
Either way, the 3000gt is too heavy and gimicky. And most were FWD :rolleyes:
Anyway, im kidding for the most part. I had to give you some shit lol

§treet_§peed
08-21-2006, 06:01 PM
jap muscle car?

dont exist. :stupid: wel in a way they sorta do though...:thinking: but i didn't know USDM cars were made in Japan...considerin USDM stands For United States Domestic Motors..and any car made in Japan would be a JDM car..Japan Domestic Motors..just saying....

3kgtdrvr
08-21-2006, 07:26 PM
the poll isnt for the most overweight japanese car ever :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
anyway, musclecars are RWD.
I wouldnt call the rx7 a muscle car though.
Id say sports (rx7) and/or GT cars (the others.)
id call the supra the closest thing to a japanese muscle car.
Either way, the 3000gt is too heavy and gimicky. And most were FWD :rolleyes:
Anyway, im kidding for the most part. I had to give you some shit lol

screw u lightspeed! dont hate just bc all ur cars added together dont add up to the weight of my 3000 :lmfao: more cushion for the pushin! :idb: at least i could get it in gear. OHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

...plus danica likes them :goodjob: :screwy:

yerrow
08-21-2006, 07:56 PM
jdm = japanese domestic MARKET
usdm = US domestic MARKET

market not motors

sebastianHoff
08-21-2006, 10:21 PM
my point still stands, most of those cars would take a serious beating from a fox body mustang and costed 2 or 3 times more. atleast the dsm was cheap.

mp5o
08-21-2006, 11:40 PM
:stupid: wel in a way they sorta do though...:thinking: but i didn't know USDM cars were made in Japan...considerin USDM stands For United States Domestic Motors..and any car made in Japan would be a JDM car..Japan Domestic Motors..just saying....

:lmfao: @ this guy always tryin to sound smart... Wanted to call your ass out before but I was too lazy... :D

lightspeed
08-22-2006, 02:36 PM
my point still stands, most of those cars would take a serious beating from a fox body mustang and costed 2 or 3 times more. atleast the dsm was cheap.
LOL...he said "costed."
Not one of those cars listed would get outrun by a stock foxbody mustang. Most bone-stock (and "stock" means NO aftermarket parts and on stock tires, stock timing, etc) fox-bodies ran low 15's at the track at low 90 mph's... maybe. Those other cars listed are all stronger than that stock. There may be an occasional freak mustangs that were faster than that, but on the average, they werent that impressive in comparison to a lot of stuff today.

GTScoob
08-22-2006, 03:23 PM
:D

Well yeah but when you are talking about the ultimate muscle car rotary, its an fd. fc is a close second.

Ultimate muscle car, rotary? What an oxymoron, you cant call anything with less than a 302 a muscle car. All of these japanese choices handle too well (including the pig of a 3000GT)

I've always wanted to find a slicktop 300ZX 2+2 and swap a turbo motor into it and take out the rear seat. I think I'd go for a bright red one with black interior and the 99 300ZX bumper, headlights, and spoiler

§treet_§peed
08-22-2006, 06:54 PM
:lmfao: @ this guy always tryin to sound smart... Wanted to call your ass out before but I was too lazy... :D :rly: well i wasn't necessarily trying to sound like the smartest person..just stating my opinion..and as far as callin me out i would have no problem racing u in my almost stock N/a civic coupe with a D16Y7 cept for this one little thing...my DL's are suspended...so that kinda puts that outta the question..just saying...o yeah my motor is knocking like hell, needs a vavle job very bad, needs a new o2 sensor, it's running rich as hell flooding, needs new soark plugs and wires...basically my car is fucked for right now lol....but sure if i could drive legally i would have no problem running you roll or dig..eventhough i know i would prolly loose..it's all for fun...:D

yerrow
08-22-2006, 07:15 PM
your "opinion" of what usdm and jdm stands for was wrong

§treet_§peed
08-22-2006, 07:19 PM
maybe so...but that's the only way i have ever heard it...just saying...:goodjob:

1439/2000
08-22-2006, 07:22 PM
Ultimate muscle car, rotary? What an oxymoron, you cant call anything with less than a 302 a muscle car. All of these japanese choices handle too well (including the pig of a 3000GT)

I've always wanted to find a slicktop 300ZX 2+2 and swap a turbo motor into it and take out the rear seat. I think I'd go for a bright red one with black interior and the 99 300ZX bumper, headlights, and spoiler


If you read, I said the ultimate muscle car rotary in the states is the fd.

Not saying its a muscle car, but between the rotarys it wins.

Less than a 302 it isnt a muscle car? Then all the Japanese cars are out pretty much. Japan isnt about displacement, escpecially rotarys/

GTScoob
08-22-2006, 07:45 PM
Then all the Japanese cars are out pretty much. Japan isnt about displacement, escpecially rotarys/

Exactly, they're about technology and turning which is why they're not muscle cars in my book.

Outphase
08-27-2006, 01:39 PM
Mazda RX-7 Twin Turbo/NA, because the handling, style, innovation, and rotary is just so damn badass. Needless to say, even to this day it's still pretty impressive.

Outphase
08-27-2006, 01:40 PM
oh yeah, wtf @ the muscle japanese? lol? Japanese cars are not 'power', they are engineered and balanced, the way cars are supposed to be, in American's eyes, it's always, always, always about power first, no matter what they do, it's always messing with the engine first, before suspension...sigh.

atl530i
09-05-2006, 07:02 PM
I like the Nissan. Toyota is in far second....

3kgtdrvr
09-07-2006, 05:44 PM
...u ever worked on a 300zx? lol theyre cool cars no doubt but damn, just damn lol

Gilgamesh
10-21-2006, 02:46 PM
my pick weighs less then 3k lbs... the rx7
to me its the total package, high reving, high proformance, well balanced with a close 50/50 (mazda has done this with ALL their early sports cars) and it just looks exotic

BlkCD5
10-22-2006, 02:49 AM
Well, actually my friend has a 93 rx-7 and it weighs a lil over 3k lbs without him in it. Its the trim with the bose package.

EG BTER
10-27-2006, 09:58 PM
Z...duh

my old one :cry:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/778000-778999/778115_66_full.jpg

Mk3Jesse
10-28-2006, 09:24 AM
sweet toyota is winning.
But It may not be muscle cars to us.
But in japan these would be their muscle cars.
You must remember back in the day, what we would consider "muscle cars" were their "tuner cars"

1SICKLEX
10-28-2006, 01:52 PM
I love the NSX but it is not a muscle car at all. Its about the total package and being lightweight.
It initially had a 3.0 liter V-6....nothing furious about that. Even with the 3.2 upgrade it made 290hp tops and 252hp with the auto......

NSX is all aluminum, hand built and almost an exotic!

David88vert
11-22-2006, 08:15 PM
Well, actually my friend has a 93 rx-7 and it weighs a lil over 3k lbs without him in it. Its the trim with the bose package.

Somethings wrong then. My FD is stock (touring with BOSE). With me in it, it weighs 2900 lbs.

The heaviest RX7s were the 2nd gen verts. The 88 weighed 3003 lbs, the 89-91 weighed 3140 lbs.

My stock FD is faster than my 92 Mustang. So my 302 is a "muscle car", and it slower than my 1.3L "non-muscle car".

atl gts-t
11-25-2006, 07:45 AM
skyline gtr,gts-t and gts-t4 beet them all{not even including v spec or nur

OneSlow5pt0
12-11-2006, 12:34 AM
91 RX7..its the corvette of the far east,lol

BlkCD5
12-12-2006, 12:20 AM
The only thing that sucks about the Rx-7 is rebuilding/replacing the engine every 100k miles at the most. The engine is like "glass". Also the maintenence and lack of torque. Other than that, its a bad ass car that will have heads turned and jaws dropped.

David88vert
12-14-2006, 07:55 PM
Damn, I must of gotten ripped off. My FD is reliable, and in all my years of rotaries, I've only had one blown motor - and that was because the car overheated due to a fan switch that was off.
Did you mean the engine was smooth as glass? Cause that is more like it.... :-)
Turbo rotarys aren't missing torque. The numbers aren't very different than 911s.
Maintenance is changing the oil. That's pretty much it. I have spent more on repairs this year on my 40K mile Mustang than my 160K mile RX7.
There are a lot of misperceptions out there about rotarys - usually started my mechanics who have no clue how the engine works.

BTW: here is a video of the a basic TII. This is the guy who built my new motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg26m0RuBXA&mode=related&search=

man
12-14-2006, 08:00 PM
My TII motor lasted 140k miles. Regular maintenance.

OneSlow5pt0
12-14-2006, 08:05 PM
yea,ive seen N/As hit over 200K

ZEDEX32
12-25-2006, 09:56 PM
I owned 3 Zs (+ 1 I have now) and all I can say is that is the best car ever. Supra is not much different in numbers from Z but far more expensive.

PSINXS
12-25-2006, 10:44 PM
I owned 3 Zs (+ 1 I have now) and all I can say is that is the best car ever. Supra is not much different in numbers from Z but far more expensive.
numbers game the supras outweighs it.

300hp/320 tq on the supra. 300hp/286tq on the z. and the z runs 6 tenths faster stock in the quarter.

and as far as making hp supra, FTW. i owned a z32 myself and i do say they are comfortable cars. few problems if maintained properly. but not the most cost effective vehicle. especially if you own a tt.

but the z to me is a sexier looking car.

toland03
01-29-2007, 03:15 PM
Mitsubishi 3000 GT or the Toyota Supra. Both are awesome.

VooDooXII
02-04-2007, 04:54 PM
I haven't driven any of them...I don't know.

I loved them all...but I probably liked the 3000GT most of all.

Hey...how about the Subaru SVX? Haha

Mr.MuayThai
02-06-2007, 11:58 AM
2jz FTW!!!

ATCLen
02-07-2007, 09:54 PM
Hi


How about older "Jap Muscle Car"..
I just got left behind 2yrs before 1990, maybe next time..






Len

blue_5g_zc
02-07-2007, 09:58 PM
rx7 b/c of its sexy curves and rotary design distinguish it from the crowd

NoNafs
02-14-2007, 06:11 PM
N-S-X. Nuff said.

Benefit
02-14-2007, 06:30 PM
skyline

.blank cd
02-15-2007, 01:14 AM
This is an old ass thread

BlkCD5
02-15-2007, 08:11 AM
:werd:

conquest_tsi
02-15-2007, 02:47 PM
What's up, I know tha last year was 89, but what about tha STARION/CONQUEST. I have 1 now and I had a 91 turbo supra, and I have ta say I liek tha conquest a lot better.....

EP3sAreFun
02-15-2007, 03:29 PM
^^^^ yup

CompEngineer
02-15-2007, 05:50 PM
Aw man. I love me a Honda. :D

WHT_EP3
03-05-2007, 09:59 AM
rx-7 hands down just look at those jap vids on street fire rx7 always wins that handling and it has its power

wantboost
03-05-2007, 10:08 AM
^^ and blowing up :P lol

edit: why is this thread always being dug up?

.blank cd
04-21-2007, 04:13 PM
cause its the most JDMspoonsupameshkenjianimebukakke tytest thread EVAR

OneSlow5pt0
04-21-2007, 09:16 PM
^^ and blowing up :P lol

edit: why is this thread always being dug up?

alot of cars blow way befoe a rotary will:D

nreggie454
04-22-2007, 02:47 PM
Those aren't muscle cars.

Muscle car = V8, lots o' torque, meant to go in a straight line really fast

Those cars are nice, can be made to be really fast, but aren't muscle cars.

OneSlow5pt0
04-22-2007, 07:45 PM
everyone of those cars would whoop a muscle car..and its just american muscle cars that are huge engines and heavy

nreggie454
04-22-2007, 09:49 PM
everyone of those cars would whoop a muscle car..and its just american muscle cars that are huge engines and heavy

That's what a muscle car is... True, japanese cars can be made to be as fast as most of them, but muscle cars win in the 1/4 overall. I autocross, so straight-line speed doesn't matter as much to me, so the cars in this thread are more favorable to me anyways. They just aren't muscle cars.

OneSlow5pt0
04-23-2007, 06:26 PM
That's what a muscle car is... True, japanese cars can be made to be as fast as most of them, but muscle cars win in the 1/4 overall. I autocross, so straight-line speed doesn't matter as much to me, so the cars in this thread are more favorable to me anyways. They just aren't muscle cars.


agreed,i belive a 69 yenko camaro would be most of these cars in 1/4

The Green Monster
04-24-2007, 10:06 PM
Mk3 toyota supra turbo. Not an option but was made until 1992. (bitches)


actually it was stopped in 93


Hence why the mark 4 supra is called a 93.5 because they both came out the same year:goodjob:


Of course I picked the supra being a former supra owner...although I love the FD's look

MistaCee
05-18-2008, 11:15 AM
Nsx is more like a supercar.. I would say Supra Twin turbo or the 3000gt

TehHakingS14
05-19-2008, 01:26 PM
supra, i loove them 2jz's man

GaGen2Teg
05-19-2008, 01:29 PM
THE 300zx because my brother had one and it was the ****

da1708
05-19-2008, 01:40 PM
mx83 toyota cressida

DieselNuts
05-19-2008, 01:48 PM
your title is flawed. None of these cars create the required amount of torque to be considered muscle...

hellomynameiscarlos
05-19-2008, 08:24 PM
i love them all but i think i like the looks of the z the best

VtakFluid
05-19-2008, 09:11 PM
NSX ftw.

redpanda
05-21-2008, 10:48 PM
although not really considered a supercar, the nsx was and still is an amazing car. The car really does feel like it was designed for the track. People say it's too underpowered to be a supercar, but way it hugs the corners is crazy. My vote: NSX

wanksta
05-21-2008, 11:20 PM
all except fd are muscle cars because they weigh more than a camaro lol

Nissan Sean
05-21-2008, 11:40 PM
to be a muscle car it has to have torque, do the mazda is out, the supra and 300zx were japanese equivalents to muscle cars. i choose the Z. very sexy looking car, not as hyped up as the supra. very fast when modded. and in came in a vert option-which is awesome.

HELLRAZOR
05-23-2008, 09:57 AM
Neither "Early 90's" nor "Japanese" go with the word muscle car....

DITTO on the above. My icon shows one of the ultimate muscle cars.

Ran
05-23-2008, 10:14 AM
Neither "Early 90's" nor "Japanese" go with the word muscle car....Sounds a lot like the Eurof@gs that are b*tching about how the GT-R isn't really a supercar because it's Japanese. :rolleyes:

OneSlow5pt0
05-23-2008, 10:23 AM
dont call the GTR a supercar,or the Z06,ZR1 or SRT-10

and a muscle car is a big car car,with big engine.......i mean just look at old muscle,and no mustangs and camaros are not muscle cars,thier sport coupes or pony cars.

DieselNuts
05-23-2008, 10:36 AM
dont call the GTR a supercar,or the Z06,ZR1 or SRT-10

and a muscle car is a big car car,with big engine.......i mean just look at old muscle,and no mustangs and camaros are not muscle cars,thier sport coupes or pony cars.
true. Reps to whoever knows what Carroll Shelby called the original mustangs.

HELLRAZOR
05-23-2008, 10:54 AM
and no mustangs and camaros are not muscle cars,thier sport coupes or pony cars.

I have to disagree somewhat....Camaros with big block motors have always been considered muscle cars by most if not all of the general public. Every older car that has only two doors is considered a "sport coupe"...to say that a BBC Camaro is NOT a muscle car would make many a classic bowtie owner get sideways.

DieselNuts
05-23-2008, 10:58 AM
I have to disagree somewhat....Camaros with big block motors have always been considered muscle cars by most if not all of the general public. Every older car that has only two doors is considered a "sport coupe"...to say that a BBC Camaro is NOT a muscle car would make many a classic bowtie owner get sideways.
I cant really speak for the camaro, but I know the original mustangs were not muscle cars. I think what he is saying is that the original concept of these cars were not to make them muscle cars, but I think they eventually turned into that after just a few years.

OneSlow5pt0
05-23-2008, 11:04 AM
i drive a camaro,and i jsut would never consider them a muscle,some are close,just the boss mustang is close....but thier just not big anuff cars for me to say muscle car

HELLRAZOR
05-23-2008, 11:23 AM
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
"Muscle car is a term used to refer to a variety of high performance automobiles. The term principally refers to American, Australian and to a lesser extent South African models from the late 1960s and early 1970s and generally describes a 2-door rear wheel drive mid-size car with a large, powerful V8 engine and special trim, intended for maximum torque on the street or in drag racing competition. It is distinguished from sports cars, which were customarily considered smaller, two-seat cars, or GTs, two-seat or 2+2 cars intended for high-speed touring and possibly road racing. High-performance full-size or compact cars are arguably excluded from this category, as are the breed of compact sports coupes inspired by the Ford Mustang."

FROM DICTIONARY.COM from Random House Unabridged Dictionary:
"muscle car
–noun a flashy sports car with a large, powerful engine; a hot rod. "

as far as what Shelby called the original mustang: Are you referring to the knickname "sally" or are you talking about what the mustang was labeled, the GT350?

Ran
05-23-2008, 11:25 AM
dont call the GTR a supercar,or the Z06,ZR1 or SRT-10I still fail to see why people think that "supercars" only come from Europe. I laugh at the butthurt Ferrari, Porsche, and Lambo fanboys for their pointless elitism and bruised pride.

OneSlow5pt0
05-23-2008, 11:58 AM
I still fail to see why people think that "supercars" only come from Europe. I laugh at the butthurt Ferrari, Porsche, and Lambo fanboys for their pointless elitism and bruised pride.

i didnt say that,hell the TTS7 is a supercar.......the only japanesse supercar i can think of would be that nissan R(cant remeber) its mid engine,very rare

*edit: take that back,the r390 never went into production,but a road car was built

DieselNuts
05-23-2008, 01:14 PM
as far as what Shelby called the original mustang: Are you referring to the knickname "sally" or are you talking about what the mustang was labeled, the GT350?
no, he said that they werent muscle cars, they were_________

HELLRAZOR
05-23-2008, 02:35 PM
no, he said that they werent muscle cars, they were_________

couldnt find that quote anywhere.

DieselNuts
05-23-2008, 02:45 PM
He said they were Secretary's cars

Nissangeek
05-23-2008, 02:55 PM
NSX is not a muscle car. Muscle cars have to have a back seat.

DieselNuts
05-23-2008, 02:56 PM
NSX is not a muscle car. Muscle cars have to have a back seat.
& torque...

OneSlow5pt0
05-23-2008, 02:59 PM
& torque...

and weigh almost 4k pounds

HELLRAZOR
05-23-2008, 03:00 PM
agreed on all of the above...especially the back seat! LOL

Barefoot
05-23-2008, 03:11 PM
fd

87 Turbo II
05-26-2008, 12:35 PM
Rx-7 all the way and if you meant the FD only there were no N/A FDs, they're all TTs.

AnthonyF
06-02-2008, 02:54 PM
I love supras and I really wish I could afford one. But 20k for a 10+ yr old car with 150k+ miles and N/A.....just isnt worth it.

-Ant.

Gorilla Eg!
06-09-2008, 02:11 PM
NSX wins hands down and will live on forever as Hondas first "supercar" :goodjob:

Development

In 1984 Honda commissioned Pininfarina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pininfarina) to design the HP-X (Honda Pininfarina Xperimental),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-0) which had a mid-mounted 2.0 L V6 configuration.

The production NSX was designed by a team led by Chief Designer Ken Okuyama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Okuyama) and Executive Chief Engineer Shigeru Uehara, who was also in charge of the S2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S2000) project. Its first public appearances as the NS-X were at the Chicago Auto Show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Auto_Show) in February 1989, and at the Tokyo Motor Show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Motor_Show) in October 1989.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-1)

Japanese Formula One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One) driver Satoru Nakajima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoru_Nakajima) was involved with the NSX's development, performing many duties related to chassis tuning. Brazilian Formula One driver Ayrton Senna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton_Senna) and American Bobby Rahal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Rahal) also participated in the car's development.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-2) Senna was given an NSX by Honda, although details of this car and its fate are unclear.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

Honda's breakthrough engineering in the NSX was a major contributor to the design of the McLaren F1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_F1) as mentioned in an interview with McLaren designer Gordon Murray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Murray). [4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-3) "The moment I drove the NSX, all the benchmark cars--Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini--I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target." The NSX was also the world's first all-aluminum and aluminum monocoque chassis production car, and was also marketed as the "Everyday Supercar" thanks in part to its ease of use, quality and reliability, traits that were unheard of in the supercar segment at the time.



Manufacture and release

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1997 Acura NSX


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Japanese NSX Police Car (Tochigi Prefectural Police)


Upon its release in 1990, the NSX was a design ahead of its time, at only 1170 mm (46.1 in) in height only 141.3 mm (6 in) taller than the legendary Ford GT40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GT40). The car showcased Honda's racing technology, exemplified by the NSX's ultra-rigid, ultra-light aluminium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium) monocoque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocoque) chassis, aluminium suspension, titanium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium) connecting rods, forged pistons and high-revving capabilities — the redline was at a lofty 8,000 rpm. Today it is still known by many as the most reliable exotic car with many examples exceeding 100,000 miles without any reliability issues. The car's strong chassis rigidity and cornering/handling capabilities were the results of Ayrton Senna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton_Senna)'s direct input with NSX's chief engineers while testing at the Honda owned Suzuka Circuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuka_Circuit) during its final development stages.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-4) The NSX was initially assembled at the purpose-built Takanezawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takanezawa%2C_Tochigi) R&D Plant in Tochigi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tochigi_Prefecture) from 1989 to early 2004, when it was moved to Suzuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuka%2C_Mie) Plant for the remainder of its production life. The cars were assembled by approximately 200 experienced, hand-picked staff from various Honda factories. Honda designed the NSX in search of the perfect balance between power and reliability and thus produced a powerful naturally aspirated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturally_aspirated) engine suitable for the abuse of road racing.

One of the first magazine articles show the lightweight 3.0L 270 HP NSX producing a best 0-60 mp/h time of 5.03 seconds and 13.47 seconds for the quarter mile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_mile).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-5)

Also on a Ferrari 348 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_348) to NSX comparison, a 0-60 time of 5.2 seconds was recorded for the 1991 NSX.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-6) This Ferrari level performance made the NSX known as the "First Japanese Exotic Super car".

Wheels magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheels_magazine) Australia awarded the Honda NSX the 1991 Car of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_of_the_Year) award.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Honda_C30A_engine_001.jpg/180px-Honda_C30A_engine_001.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Honda_C30A_engine_001.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Honda_C30A_engine_001.jpg)
A Honda NSX engine bay.


Despite the current age of the NSX, it still has a strong base of fans and supporters. Honda and many NSX enthusiasts describe the vehicle as a supercar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar) based on its body type (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_body_style), drivetrain layout, low seating position, packaging, and especially car handling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handling).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Others disagree, claiming the NSX does not qualify for exotic car/supercar status because it is not of European origin.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] The car's power rating is not as high as modern supercars, although its rated 270 horsepower (200 kW) at debut in 1990 was only 30 horsepower (22 kW) shy of the 300 lb (136 kg) heavier Ferrari 348 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_348), the NSX's direct rival. Because of its lighter weight, the NSX was slightly faster than the 348 in straight-line acceleration. At one time, it featured the highest per-litre specific output of any road-going naturally aspirated V6 engine in the world, and even now it is exceptionally fast for the motor's relatively low power output versus comparable "supercars."[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Post-1997 3.2 L North American Acura examples are known to achieve a 13.3 second quarter-mile time [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-7) (1997-2005 model year NSX-T; the 149 lb (68 kg) lighter Zanardi Edition NSX is closer to 13.2 seconds [9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX#cite_note-8)), while the Japanese NSX-R (2002+) is known to perform a 12.9 second quarter-mile time.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] This ability is a result of the high 8,000 rpm redline, flat power curve, short gear ratios, light weight and mid-engine layout, along with the light power increase.

On July 20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005), days after the announcement of the closure of current NSX production, Honda CEO Takeo Fukui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Fukui) announced that a new NSX was under development and would sport a Formula One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One)-inspired V10 motor, with speculation that it might have the SH-AWD (Super Handling All Wheel Drive) system introduced on the Acura RL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_RL). In addition, he stated it would be ready within three to four years. The last US production model NSX was sold in the summer of 2006 in Spokane, Washington. It was originally supposed to be put in Honda's museum, but was not. Jay Leno also showed interest in the car, but backed down so it was shipped to Spokane and sold.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]



First Generation NSX-R (JDM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Domestic_Market))

Beginning in 1992 Honda produced a limited number of 483 NSX-Rs exclusively for the Japanese domestic market (JDM). Major changes include a blueprinted engine producing 280 bhp (209 kW) in stock form, a different final ratio for the gearbox, a more aggressive suspension and an extensive weight reduction to 1230 kg (2712 lb) from 1350 kg (2976 lb). The NSX-R was very track oriented as it lacked sound deadening, audio and air conditioning in an effort to reduce weight. However, these items were available for a hefty premium as optional items. Production ended in 1994.



NSX-T

In 1995 the NSX-T with a targa top (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targa_top) roof was released in Japan as a special order option. In North America, the NSX-T replaced the standard coupe entirely as the only trim available, with the notable exceptions of the Zanardi Edition NSX in 1999 and a handful of special ordered post-1997/pre-2002 3.2 liter coupes. The removable roof reduced the chassis rigidity of the NSX and added about 100 pounds (45 kg) of structural reinforcements. In addition to this major change, the suspensions have also been softened to improve ride, comfort, and tire wear, at the expense of ultimate handling. The suspension redesign was also intended to reduce the sudden-oversteer problems that plagued most mid-engined vehicles. All roofs were now body-colored instead of black, although in Japan the two-tone black roof/body color was still available as an optional feature. Finally available in the manual transmission version NSX was electric power steering, previously found in the automatic version exclusively.



1997 Performance-Enhancing Changes (Worldwide)

1997 brought the biggest changes to the performance of the current generation NSX for the Japanese domestic versions and abroad. For 1997 engine displacement increased from 3.0 L to 3.2 L. This new 3.2 L C32B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_C_engine#C32B) engine gave it slightly more rated power: from 270 hp (201 kW) to 292 hp (218 kW) while torque increased from 210 lb·ft (285 N·m) to 224 lb·ft (304 N·m) (manual transmission only). The 4-speed automatic model still used the 3.0 litre engine and power output. Another big change was the adoption of the 6-speed manual transmission. The combination of slightly-increased power and torque, 6-speed manual gearbox, and optimized gear ratio produced improved straight-line acceleration. The new NSX rang up better numbers than the power and torque improvements may suggest over previous model NSXs. 0-60 mph time dropped from 5.4 seconds to as low as 5.0 seconds for the NSX-S Zero. Other notable changes include a brake rotor size increase from 12 inches (305 mm) to 13 inches (330 mm) — which necessitated larger wheels and tires, a new aluminium alloy to further reduce weight and increase rigidity, and a transponder in the key.

Hollowmon
06-23-2008, 12:00 AM
Neither "Early 90's" nor "Japanese" go with the word muscle car....
Stop hating Cause you know as well as anyone else that it has jap muscle that can run with the best of the U.S:taun:

AnTi-PooN
06-24-2008, 04:48 PM
civic si

OneSlow5pt0
06-24-2008, 07:48 PM
Stop hating Cause you know as well as anyone else that it has jap muscle that can run with the best of the U.S:taun:

none of those cars are muscle

chhs_lax
07-16-2008, 04:58 PM
NSX is not a muscle car. Muscle cars have to have a back seat.

Vette zr1's dont have a back seat, and if you dont think that's muscle.........no comment. Actually new Vette's in general dont. (I think)

OneSlow5pt0
07-17-2008, 11:45 PM
corvettes arnt muscle,thier sports cars

Terror
07-23-2008, 01:52 PM
NSX.. NA, and not as powerful as the rest of them.. but sick nonetheless

Danzo
08-01-2008, 09:57 AM
I chose 300zx cause you have my old one :P

Sport1.3
08-05-2008, 08:06 AM
Neither "Early 90's" nor "Japanese" go with the word muscle car....

Agreed :cheers:

Japanese "sports cars"

cactusEG
08-09-2008, 11:38 AM
Hands down, supra ! :goodjob:





1992 toyota paseo.LAMO that was my 2nd car. The gas mpg, was fuccking good.

cwhiteboy
08-31-2008, 06:49 PM
NSX has always been one of my favorite early 90's Japanese cars, but I wouldn't consider it muscle. Supra and GTR where probably the closest to a "muscle" car from japan.

YoshiFD3S
09-01-2008, 03:22 AM
I wonder if anyone can guess what I chose..

>_>

VooDooXII
04-13-2009, 12:46 PM
I don't know...I liked all of those. Put the poll in reverse order and you've got my order of preference.

2rotor
05-25-2009, 03:19 PM
FD3S ftmfw! like you didnt know :rolleyes: i like all of the cars in the poll though, my least favorite aesthetically has to be the 300zx though, i like the car overall, but the styling isnt quite there for my taste.

obd1kenobi
05-25-2009, 05:45 PM
Rx7