7th gen civic discussion.

[Bruce Leroy]

I'm just curious as to why alot of people have a general dislike for the 2001-2005 civics. Is it because of the d17? Suspension? what is it. Discuss.

[MajinB]

hmm...well, its the shitty d17. but as any motor it can be modded for higher power. so i really don't know. i don't hate my car. its my project and no one elses, and i hate to see all these people be blind to how some d16s have been boosted to 400hp and up.
k-swap has been beaten to death IMO. and im not doubting the potency or not giving credit. cause they ARE the shit. but i don't feel like spending 8k to swap a k motor into my car. i could spend 3-4 and build a spare block and build my own turbo kit. i just wish people would respect other peoples decisions on what path they take to modding. my 2 cents.

[Bruce Leroy]

U can swap a K for less than 8k. Its more like 6. Slap on a turbo kit (which are most likely cheaper than dezod's kit) and kpro then boost away. And u will have the same amount of horses as your d17. Its all preference

[fight club]

since this is referring to me ill answer. i do not hate the car. i like the lines of the car etc. what i dislike is people telling me i am wrong when i KNOW i am not. here are some facts to prove this. the only well liked kit for the d17 is the stafford fabrications turbo kit. its a t3 turbo and sells for 3k with new fuel system etc. those numbers are between 150-170 whp. that is about the maximum for that engine without major work ie- sleeving, porting, polishing, balancing the crank, higher compression pistons etc. now, that gets expensive. the only proven "cheap" way to make power in a 7th gen is a k series swap. as i have proven before, the swap of a k20a3, no not the best but still better than a d17 in terms of tuning, will cost about 2k. that puts you at around 135whp with minor bolt ons puts you even with the turbo, and those add ons are included in that cost. so for around 2k you could have a complete smooth powerband for 2k. now, the fastest 7th gen i have ever found had 500+WHP. engine? k20a2 with a turbo. its not hating and its true for all d series honda engines. you will not make alot of power from the sohc without alot of money sunk into it.
the second reason i was flaming, is because this is the kid who was chirping his tires and driving like a bat out of hell in petsmart and claiming he will beat the celica driven by snapper in a highway pull. this is rediculous. he was called out and backed out. when looking at his friends car, he out of nowhere tells me he will race me when hes turboed in 4 months. i laughed and said you might not wanna do that, cuz here in a few weeks im picking up an sti. he said, no ill win. now, if he builds the engine yea he might have a chance, but a d17 with a turbo that is spooled from an all motor "header" leading into a pipe is not going to beat an sti. when trying to HELP AND SUGGEST better ways, i was greeted with hostility. i got a 2002 ex when they came out and made one quick for what it was. i researched this shit for 5 months straight day and night. i dont hate the car, just the attitude that seems to follow that one.
and one last note, when you are lining up to race a car from a dig, try not to back into another car, just fyi.

[fight club]

and for the last fucking time, do the work and the fucking k20 swap is not 6k. yes, a k20a2 will run you that, but not a k20a3, which is still an improvement over the d series. and i know people running 500hp+ on d series, but you know what, they have TURBO manifolds and turbo exhausts. they didnt get there by slapping a turbo on, upping the boost, and ghetto fabbing some bullshit exhaust and manifold system. not to mention your d17 will hold maybe 17psi before some mods are needed to keep from blowing down the road. could you run more? yea, is it smart? prolly not.

[Bruce Leroy]

I wasn't directing this towards anybody in particular, especially not u. U have done your research and know what u are talking about. But it seem to me like most people just hop on the "7thgen's are slow and shitty" bandwagon without knowing what they are talking about.

[fight club]

U can swap a K for less than 8k. Its more like 6. Slap on a turbo kit (which are most likely cheaper than dezod's kit) and kpro then boost away. And u will have the same amount of horses as your d17. Its all preference


the d17 dynos with 90whp and 84 ft/lbs of torque. an k20a3 puts down more to the wheels than the d17 is rated at the crank. :goodjob:

[Bruce Leroy]

the d17 dynos with 90whp and 84 ft/lbs of torque. an k20a3 puts down more to the wheels than the d17 is rated at the crank. :goodjob:

thats my plan. K20a2 & a jrsc.

[fight club]

I wasn't directing this towards anybody in particular, especially not u. U have done your research and know what u are talking about. But it seem to me like most people just hop on the "7thgen's are slow and shitty" bandwagon without knowing what they are talking about.


haha i feel ya and for your level head you get a plus one. its not that they are slow and shitty, its just up until recently swaps were out of the question so they seemed doomed forever with a d series, which means major work for major power. and if you decide to go the k series swap route. jump over to k20a.org and i promise you will get a full swap minus mounts for less than 1200 if you put in a k20a3. not the best but with bolt ons and a lil work, a hell of a better platform from the tuning point of view.

[fight club]

thats my plan. K20a2 & a jrsc.

i will and try and find the video, its a k20a2 with a type r head and a turbo in a 7th gen and even with drag coilovers the bitch squats when shifting. he dynoed at 500+whp. hold up and ill find the video.

[MajinB]

the second reason i was flaming, is because this is the kid who was chirping his tires and driving like a bat out of hell in petsmart and claiming he will beat the celica driven by snapper in a highway pull. this is rediculous. he was called out and backed out. when looking at his friends car, he out of nowhere tells me he will race me when hes turboed in 4 months. i laughed and said you might not wanna do that, cuz here in a few weeks im picking up an sti. he said, no ill win. now, if he builds the engine yea he might have a chance, but a d17 with a turbo that is spooled from an all motor "header" leading into a pipe is not going to beat an sti. when trying to HELP AND SUGGEST better ways, i was greeted with hostility. i got a 2002 ex when they came out and made one quick for what it was. i researched this shit for 5 months straight day and night. i dont hate the car, just the attitude that seems to follow that one.
and one last note, when you are lining up to race a car from a dig, try not to back into another car, just fyi.
look, you wonder why im hostile? cause you think you know. you dont LIVE on 7thgencivic.com like me.
let me set some shit straight. I NEVER said i would take the celica. NEVER EVER. i NEVER chirp in any parking lot. and your FULL OF IT if you think i do. you might have researched it for 5 whole months, ive been doing this since i bought the fuckin car LAST FEBRUARY. and the header idea has been proven already so get off it. just cause im new on this forum you think that you can call me a ricer and get away with it? give me a fuckin break.
asshats like YOU give me a headache. you don't give suggestions, you try to beat ideas down. and you suck for it. so just let it go. let me have my preference and quit trying to control what i choose to do. you can't. accept it.
i remember you now, i NEVER said ill win. your the dude with the miata. yea i remember you. quit makin shit up asshole, cause i got 6 people that were standing right beside me when we had that conversation that night. i never said about beating you in an STI. damn you talk to much shit i will be able to see it come out of your pores next time i see you. :2up:fuck off. and don't get near me anymore motherfucker. i won't be nice about this anymore.

[wantboost]

"7thgen's are slow and shitty" bandwagon without knowing what they are talking about.This is why i am on the band wagon. Most are rice with the ugly bodykit, euro lights, maybe an exhaust (no engine mods) . they are slow stock but then again so is a 240. in the end just about anything can be fast if you either have the cash or the knowhow.

[fight club]

look, you wonder why im hostile? cause you think you know. you dont LIVE on 7thgencivic.com like me.
let me set some shit straight. I NEVER said i would take the celica. NEVER EVER. i NEVER chirp in any parking lot. and your FULL OF IT if you think i do. you might have researched it for 5 whole months, ive been doing this since i bought the fuckin car LAST FEBRUARY. and the header idea has been proven already so get off it. just cause im new on this forum you think that you can call me a ricer and get away with it? give me a fuckin break.
asshats like YOU give me a headache. you don't give suggestions, you try to beat ideas down. and you suck for it. so just let it go. let me have my preference and quit trying to control what i choose to do. you can't. accept it.
i remember you now, i NEVER said ill win. your the dude with the miata. yea i remember you. quit makin shit up asshole, cause i got 6 people that were standing right beside me when we had that conversation that night. i never said about beating you in an STI. damn you talk to much shit i will be able to see it come out of your pores next time i see you. :2up:fuck off. and don't get near me anymore motherfucker. i won't be nice about this anymore.


funny, because i have a bunch of people who saw you drive out all hard core. and i dont try to beat down ideas, it actually a supporter of inventiveness and such, but heres a suggestion that will take you far in life. instead of getting pissed and defencive, be openminded about things. who knows, you might learn something you didnt know. i understand the header thing has been proven, and if you like that path, go for it. it is your car. i dont care if you decide to use a torro leaf blower to supercharge it, whatever makes you happy in the long run matters. but there is no fucking need to even start with threatning me. you didnt say you would beat the celica, fine, i must of confused you with someone else. the sti, fine agian, must of confused or missunderstood you. but let me give you a word of advice and this is just that, advice, its not be a very smart idea to talk shit over the internet. im not trying to bash you, tell you your stupid, you havent researched or anytihng like that, instead, you said that to me in the last thread, which i can find and copy if youd like. i was simply informing that i too have researched. and last february was 4 months ago. i sold my em2 almost a year ago. im glad you have big plans for your civic and i hope you furfill them. all i ever did from day one when i met you was just suggesting alternitives, as most tuners do to one another. its called information sharing, and it helps because you get a second view point on the matter. so now that that you know what i was saying, and wasnt being hostile or downgrading your ideas and such, if you still want to "not be so nice about it" feel free to pm me about it.

[MajinB]

funny, because i have a bunch of people who saw you drive out all hard core. and i dont try to beat down ideas, it actually a supporter of inventiveness and such, but heres a suggestion that will take you far in life. instead of getting pissed and defencive, be openminded about things. who knows, you might learn something you didnt know. i understand the header thing has been proven, and if you like that path, go for it. it is your car. i dont care if you decide to use a torro leaf blower to supercharge it, whatever makes you happy in the long run matters. but there is no fucking need to even start with threatning me. you didnt say you would beat the celica, fine, i must of confused you with someone else. the sti, fine agian, must of confused or missunderstood you. but let me give you a word of advice and this is just that, advice, its not be a very smart idea to talk shit over the internet. im not trying to bash you, tell you your stupid, you havent researched or anytihng like that, instead, you said that to me in the last thread, which i can find and copy if youd like. i was simply informing that i too have researched. and last february was 4 months ago. i sold my em2 almost a year ago. im glad you have big plans for your civic and i hope you furfill them. all i ever did from day one when i met you was just suggesting alternitives, as most tuners do to one another. its called information sharing, and it helps because you get a second view point on the matter. so now that that you know what i was saying, and wasnt being hostile or downgrading your ideas and such, if you still want to "not be so nice about it" feel free to pm me about it.
ok, look. i don't really have anything against you. i joined here cause i got told it was cool. i really don't know. but if you must know, I WAS redlining my car this past weekened. you probably heard why. i gave one of my friends my debit card, they went to get drinks. for the party that night. i told her to pull 20 bucks, instead she charges like 50 bucks on my card. which will make me overdraft. im pissed off, i get in my car with my buddy and we start to drive. i was not trying to show off, i was just blowing off steam. thats it. then they came back and i yelled a little bit. im SURE you heard it. everyone did, and i didn't care. they left to get my money she owed me, then came back. i was not trying to "show off" i was just pissed off that i had my stuff misused. get it? i was not trying to chirp the tires. they are stocks and they suck. and i don't need to PM you about anything. i meant what i said, don't get near me when you see me. you act like you are all knowing and i don't have time for that shit. ill leave you alone, you leave me alone.
btw i bought the car in feb of 05. LAST february. not this PAST. damn internet. but don't worry. i will not be frequenting this site often. i learned of the hate that goes on in here and its stupid. later:)

[fight club]

i dont think im all knowing, i dont know alot, drew can attest to that. but i do think im well versed in the argument, and that guy nick gave me rep because he thinks i am too. agian, no problem with you, just trying to share some knowledge. ill avoid doing that in the future. and i think your friend that was there with an 02 civic ex with tien springs, hp full race header, full flow cat, and apexi n1 exhaust bought my old one. did it come with rotas?

[fight club]

as for the hate on this site, its the internet man, just lean with it, rock with it.

[MajinB]

i dont think im all knowing, i dont know alot, drew can attest to that. but i do think im well versed in the argument, and that guy nick gave me rep because he thinks i am too. agian, no problem with you, just trying to share some knowledge. ill avoid doing that in the future. and i think your friend that was there with an 02 civic ex with tien springs, hp full race header, full flow cat, and apexi n1 exhaust bought my old one. did it come with rotas?
yea well drew is a sneaky guy. thats why i told him i would run him after i got turboed. i kinda felt his car was a sleeper cause he kept bothering me about money. i almost wanted to get my ex's 99 GTP out there and see what it could do lol. its not what you say, its how you say it. i have this problem too. he said he just sold his rotas. im putting mine on when i get tires for them. yea hes pretty ready for boost too. his emanage is hooked up, his AEM EUGO and all this other shit. we talked for forevar. i was telling him about the d16y8 mani swap. i went to a shop today to see if the guy could do the re-wiring for me cause i don't know how yet. he said yea. ill see how that turns out. the dude in the civic was really interested in it. he wanted to know bad. :Di wanted to run him but he said "my motor mounts are broke" he had the advantage cause he had the emanage. and other stuff, but i was curious. he had bigger rims than me. his were like 18s i think mine are stock 15s. his gear ratio would be longer and 18s are heavy! that would be a fun race.:blah:

[fight club]

yea drew is kinda sneaky. seriously man, i have no problem with you, just trying to help a fellow em2 owner get some speed lol. but as for the site, its the internet drama is provalent and worth diddlyshit, but its here. just let it wash off. stay around and you really pick up alot here.

[MajinB]

ive picked up plenty on 7thgen. ill look around here. but you should really go look for yourself. the guy who ported my mani is the same guy with the DC header as a turbo mani is the SAME guy who made stafford fab turbo kits.
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260739
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251961
read up...

[fight club]

no doubt thats impressive work. i still just honestly dont see the point in the "sleeper" look but good luck with the build. we'll run one day when its ready.

[MajinB]

lol. at least you opened your mind.

[fight club]

yea, agian i have no problem learning. lol.

[SNapper]

majin. please don't make threats on here about doing something to someone at a meet. we really don't need that shit.

also running a turbo like that off an N/A header isn't a really good idea. anything is possible but that doesn't mean it's good.

so will you race me for money when u get a turbo?

btw don't speed around at meets
that's why they get busted.

[MajinB]

majin. please don't make threats on here about doing something to someone at a meet. we really don't need that shit.

also running a turbo like that off an N/A header isn't a really good idea. anything is possible but that doesn't mean it's good.

so will you race me for money when u get a turbo?

btw don't speed around at meets
that's why they get busted.
well, i get my turbo tomorrow, but i WILL race you AFTER i get it on and tuned. yes. like i kept tellin ya. but tell me, which gen swap did you get? just curious. and no i will not do anything at the meets, i just don't want to come there if im gonna hear hatin. did you not see me talkin to the cops for like 30 minutes with 30 other people? they don't care. i asked. i was blowing off steam thats all. i mean i don't want to hit anyone so the car took a little spanking.:lmfao:but YES i will run you after i get boosted and tuned. no prob. im all for the fun. the money, eh, idk. depends if i have any AFTER all the expences of the turbo stuff...but again, i am willing to see what your "shitty looking stock car" can do haha.

[SNapper]

well, i get my turbo tomorrow, but i WILL race you AFTER i get it on and tuned. yes. like i kept tellin ya. but tell me, which gen swap did you get? just curious. and no i will not do anything at the meets, i just don't want to come there if im gonna hear hatin. did you not see me talkin to the cops for like 30 minutes with 30 other people? they don't care. i asked. i was blowing off steam thats all. i mean i don't want to hit anyone so the car took a little spanking.:lmfao:but YES i will run you after i get boosted and tuned. no prob. im all for the fun. the money, eh, idk. depends if i have any AFTER all the expences of the turbo stuff...but again, i am willing to see what your "shitty looking stock car" can do haha.
deal, hurry up

[MajinB]

deal, hurry up
wanna let me have about 1500 bucks? haha. if yes then ill be done in a week. if not then i need to work alot more...but believe me ill be trying.:)
first the tires for the rims sitting in my living room hahaha.
then the harnesses and software for the emanage- the guy did not have it, idk why but i don't care.
EL mani and charge pipes
intercooler
mani swap
oil lines
fuel lines- return fuel setup
some more minor work and then ill be set. damn haha i gotta a little ways to go.
BTW thanx for qouting me hahaha.:rly:

[SNapper]

wanna let me have about 1500 bucks? haha. if yes then ill be done in a week. if not then i need to work alot more...but believe me ill be trying.:)
first the tires for the rims sitting in my living room hahaha.
then the harnesses and software for the emanage- the guy did not have it, idk why but i don't care.
EL mani and charge pipes
intercooler
mani swap
oil lines
fuel lines- return fuel setup
some more minor work and then ill be set. damn haha i gotta a little ways to go.
BTW thanx for qouting me hahaha.:rly:
where did u get the emanage

[Bruce Leroy]

wanna let me have about 1500 bucks? haha. if yes then ill be done in a week. if not then i need to work alot more...but believe me ill be trying.:)
first the tires for the rims sitting in my living room hahaha.
then the harnesses and software for the emanage- the guy did not have it, idk why but i don't care.
EL mani and charge pipes
intercooler
mani swap
oil lines
fuel lines- return fuel setup
some more minor work and then ill be set. damn haha i gotta a little ways to go.
BTW thanx for qouting me hahaha.:rly:

Are you are getting the EL mani from Dezod? I mean its nice and all, but its 1000 dollars. IMO not worth it for a mild turbo setup. I say skip the EL, get an HKS log style off ebay, drop the E-Manage, and get an EMS and a good tune. Should put u around 200+ with the right sized turbo.
And why are u going to run the return fuel setup? Andyman97 from 7th gen was putting down 250 without it. Also there are plenty of RSX's that are running WAAY more power than 250 with the returnless.

[A.P. Photography]

7th Gen Civics SUCK. YES I OWN ONE AND THEY SUCK.


Just have over 54k and both front struts are blown, body is weak in many places, the engine is even weaker, bout the only thing it has going for it is nice body lines and great gas mileage.

[devin]

i just dont like the body style

[dowhatido]

this was a gr8t debate, but it sounds to me like it was more about sohc, and dohc. not this motor to that motor. your comparing apples to oranges........but at the same time who gives a shit. it's funny to me because u get very upset, when building motors is one of those things you do and if it doesnt owrk out you keep trying till you get where you want to be. someone said "it's all prefference" and thats right some poeple like s/c some turbo. it all comes down to what type of person you are: 2 type.
1) poeple who looks for excuses not o do it
2) poeple who look for reasons to get things done

but like i said fuk it you cares. build what you like & drive what you love

ps. you shouldn't speed around anywhere thats why we have a bad rep as it is, all the fukn morrons hauln ass thru traffic killin them selfs.......i know i used to be one of them till i wrecked @ 120mph that shit will slow you down

[dowhatido]

none of that realy makes sence........does it...lol........is started my holiday weekend a litl to early........sorry

[MajinB]

Are you are getting the EL mani from Dezod? I mean its nice and all, but its 1000 dollars. IMO not worth it for a mild turbo setup. I say skip the EL, get an HKS log style off ebay, drop the E-Manage, and get an EMS and a good tune. Should put u around 200+ with the right sized turbo.
And why are u going to run the return fuel setup? Andyman97 from 7th gen was putting down 250 without it. Also there are plenty of RSX's that are running WAAY more power than 250 with the returnless.
im getting the EL mani MADE by dezod from another 7thgenner on the site. for cheap. anyway, i got the emanage with the turbo stuff i got in TODAY!!! ya! i got the emanage with main harness, 450 CC injectors, warlbro(sp) 255 fuel pump, t3 turbo with .42 compressor trim and i think .48 on the other side. BOV wastegate and some other adapter shit hahaha. anyway, i need alot more but im glad i have some of it! i can't afford the EMS. thats why i jumped on this deal i just described. anyway, after i get all the shit and throw it on the car, i plan to have it as a Daily driver while i get an extra d17 block to play with in the garage. probably this winter. too far to tell. andyman97 also blew 4 motors, i don't want to blow one. why should i skip the EL if i can get it for hella cheap? lol. there are plenty of other 7thgenners puttin out good numbers. i hope to be one!!! damn im just excited now. that shit sitting in my garage is about 1500 bucks worth of stuff. and its useless right now! ahh! im done ranting:blah:

[Bruce Leroy]

im getting the EL mani MADE by dezod from another 7thgenner on the site. for cheap. anyway, i got the emanage with the turbo stuff i got in TODAY!!! ya! i got the emanage with main harness, 450 CC injectors, warlbro(sp) 255 fuel pump, t3 turbo with .42 compressor trim and i think .48 on the other side. BOV wastegate and some other adapter shit hahaha. anyway, i need alot more but im glad i have some of it! i can't afford the EMS. thats why i jumped on this deal i just described. anyway, after i get all the shit and throw it on the car, i plan to have it as a Daily driver while i get an extra d17 block to play with in the garage. probably this winter. too far to tell. andyman97 also blew 4 motors, i don't want to blow one. why should i skip the EL if i can get it for hella cheap? lol. there are plenty of other 7thgenners puttin out good numbers. i hope to be one!!! damn im just excited now. that shit sitting in my garage is about 1500 bucks worth of stuff. and its useless right now! ahh! im done ranting:blah:

Oh I thought that u were buying it new.

[MajinB]

Oh I thought that u were buying it new.
no fuck that. i don't mind used stuff at all as long as it works. most of the stuff i got in today is new, besides the 450 injectors though. i didn't want to risk all that money for a bad turbo:D

[Hondasi]

imo i dont like they way it looks not my cup of tea but if u like it thats all that matters

[MajinB]

imo i dont like they way it looks not my cup of tea but if u like it thats all that matters
eh, im being a postwhore but whatever. :) chicks dig the look of the car. besides the CF hood cause they don't get it:lmfao:but i <3 the way it looks. thanx for the support!

[3kgtdrvr]

i dont like any hondas really. lol only the s2k and the nsx :goodjob: .....and yes i drive a civic now lol :doh:

[drmcivicsi]

since this is referring to me ill answer. i do not hate the car. i like the lines of the car etc. what i dislike is people telling me i am wrong when i KNOW i am not. here are some facts to prove this. the only well liked kit for the d17 is the stafford fabrications turbo kit. its a t3 turbo and sells for 3k with new fuel system etc. those numbers are between 150-170 whp. that is about the maximum for that engine without major work ie- sleeving, porting, polishing, balancing the crank, higher compression pistons etc. now, that gets expensive. the only proven "cheap" way to make power in a 7th gen is a k series swap. as i have proven before, the swap of a k20a3, no not the best but still better than a d17 in terms of tuning, will cost about 2k. that puts you at around 135whp with minor bolt ons puts you even with the turbo, and those add ons are included in that cost. so for around 2k you could have a complete smooth powerband for 2k. now, the fastest 7th gen i have ever found had 500+WHP. engine? k20a2 with a turbo. its not hating and its true for all d series honda engines. you will not make alot of power from the sohc without alot of money sunk into it.
the second reason i was flaming, is because this is the kid who was chirping his tires and driving like a bat out of hell in petsmart and claiming he will beat the celica driven by snapper in a highway pull. this is rediculous. he was called out and backed out. when looking at his friends car, he out of nowhere tells me he will race me when hes turboed in 4 months. i laughed and said you might not wanna do that, cuz here in a few weeks im picking up an sti. he said, no ill win. now, if he builds the engine yea he might have a chance, but a d17 with a turbo that is spooled from an all motor "header" leading into a pipe is not going to beat an sti. when trying to HELP AND SUGGEST better ways, i was greeted with hostility. i got a 2002 ex when they came out and made one quick for what it was. i researched this shit for 5 months straight day and night. i dont hate the car, just the attitude that seems to follow that one.
and one last note, when you are lining up to race a car from a dig, try not to back into another car, just fyi.

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: are u sure all u can get is 150 170whp ? and why in the hell would u put higher compression pistons in a turbo car ?

[LS2ner]

^^^ i agree with drmcivicsi. 7th gens are PoS's. They'are heavy as fuck, WEAK ASS engines, and not to mention the other 20 things wrong with them. In my dc2 LS with header/exhaust, intake and a short throw i pulled on a 7th gen EX with same mods. He even had a 1/2 car start and i beat him by like 1.5 or 2 cars. Not saying my shits fast or anything..but U cant even feel Vtec engage and they dont pull for SHIT. Swapping in a k20a3 is the only way those cars are even the least bit alright.

[fight club]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: are u sure all u can get is 150 170whp ? and why in the hell would u put higher compression pistons in a turbo car ?


haha my mistake on the pistons, meant lower compression.
and for the stafford turbo kits whp go here:
http://www.truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=productdetail&id=14

[fight club]

^^^ i agree with drmcivicsi. 7th gens are PoS's. They'are heavy as fuck, WEAK ASS engines, and not to mention the other 20 things wrong with them. In my dc2 LS with header/exhaust, intake and a short throw i pulled on a 7th gen EX with same mods. He even had a 1/2 car start and i beat him by like 1.5 or 2 cars. Not saying my shits fast or anything..but U cant even feel Vtec engage and they dont pull for SHIT. Swapping in a k20a3 is the only way those cars are even the least bit alright.

you cant vtec because itys vtec-e which is in the sohc d17. since it doesnt have a second cam to switch two, it runs i believe 12 out of 16 valves until 2k rpms.

[SNapper]

Are you are getting the EL mani from Dezod? I mean its nice and all, but its 1000 dollars. IMO not worth it for a mild turbo setup. I say skip the EL, get an HKS log style off ebay, drop the E-Manage, and get an EMS and a good tune. Should put u around 200+ with the right sized turbo.
And why are u going to run the return fuel setup? Andyman97 from 7th gen was putting down 250 without it. Also there are plenty of RSX's that are running WAAY more power than 250 with the returnless.
no return fuel lines huh?

[LS2ner]

...until 2k RPMS? what would be the point of that? I dont believe you have to have two cams to do vtec...the 96-00 civic ex's werent vtech-e. If im not mistaken the vtec cam(s) have extra lobes with higher lift/durations, so you could do it in a sohc.

[Bruce Leroy]

^^^ i agree with drmcivicsi. 7th gens are PoS's. They'are heavy as fuck, WEAK ASS engines, and not to mention the other 20 things wrong with them. In my dc2 LS with header/exhaust, intake and a short throw i pulled on a 7th gen EX with same mods. He even had a 1/2 car start and i beat him by like 1.5 or 2 cars. Not saying my shits fast or anything..but U cant even feel Vtec engage and they dont pull for SHIT. Swapping in a k20a3 is the only way those cars are even the least bit alright.

My car isin't heavy as fuck. It weighs around ~2550 with me in it and no back seat. And your car is a DOHC 1.8 that has what 140 crank, and responds to NA mods better than the D17. Of course u are going to beat it.

[Bruce Leroy]

here is the sohc vte explained.


Well this is it. VTEC for all SOHC cars explained. Before you even read this I want you all to know that all figures are form both 1996-2000 Honda tech book and 2001-2003 Honda Tech book. I have a few pages scanned in form the books to verify all figures.
To start there are three kinds of SOHC VTEC that Honda has ever produced. First there is standard SOHC VTEC this was found on the 1996-2000 civic EX (D16Y8), and the 1992-1995 EX and SI (D16Z6). This works the same as DOHC VTEC (only on the intake side no SOHC motor has VTEC on the exhaust side). By using three cam profiles and three rocker arms per cylinder, View diagrams. The second kind of SOHC VTEC is called three stage VTEC It is only found in the UK or Japan on a D15B. This kind isn’t really important to the USDM market, but if you want to read more on it follow this link. http://www.leecao.com/honda/vtec/3stagevtec.html The third and final kind of SOHC VTEC is VTEC-E This is found on the 1996-2000 civic HX and the 2001-2003 HX and (sorry to say it EX, yes that’s right are EX is a VTEC-E) VTEC-E is different because it only has two rocker arms and two lobes on the intake side (not Three) The way it works is from 0-4500 rpm one valve opens all the way while the other one opens less then when VTEC hits a Timing piston, spring and a Synchronizing piston all slide over locking the two together making the both open and close on the hotter cam profile. Here are the Cam specs for the D17A2 (look at diagrams 4 and 5)
D17A2 (EX)
Intake Exhaust (Remember the bigger the number the more it opens)
PRI 38.604 mm 38.784 mm
SEC 32.848 mm
So from 0-4500 rpm it is like having the equivalent of two valves opening at 35.726 (because one Is opening all the way at 38.604mm and the other not as much at 32.848mm) (this is still hotter then a lx with a 35.299 mm (Intake) and a 37.281mm (exhaust) after VTEC hits both rocker arms ride the 38.604mm profile that much better then the LX. This is the exact same way the HX works only the HX has slightly different cam specs.
D17A6 (HX)
Intake Exhaust
PRI 38.427 mm 38.784 mm
SEC 32.197 mm
D17A1 (DX/LX)
Intake Exhaust
PRI 35.299 mm 37.281 mm
They both have VTEC-E; the VTEC-E is for economy. But you say what my EX gets worse gas mileage then a DX LX and a HX Why? Simple, it’s all in the ECU. Honda dose some tricky things with there stock tuning. The EX has more fuel dropped in when in VTEC (Stock) then the HX. Infact the HX runs quite lean. Also the DX LX have a worse cam profile all the time allowing less air in so there for it needs less fuel. Not only this but the DX/LX, HX, and the EX all have different ignition Maps. Honda is so tricky with there stock ECU tuning that because of tuning alone that is why the Integra GSR makes all its power at high rpm’s, why did they do that you may ask. Because too many consumers complained about torque steer at low rpms for the first year of its production.
Now on to older SOHC VTEC. Standard SOHC VTEC is the same type you will find in a DOHC car (only without the exhaust side) how it works is there are three cam lobes and three rocker arms on the intake side. First from 0-4800 the outside rocker arms open and close by the outside lobes. Then when VTEC hits two Synchronizing pins slide over and lock onto the Mid Rocker. The Mid rocker follows the VTEC cam lobe.

Here are the specs for the D16Y8 cam
D16Y8
Intake Exhaust
PRI 36.778 38.008
MID 38.274
SEC 37.065

So the Y8 head is better until VTEC hits on are cars then are heads have a slight advantage.
Also another side note VTEC-E dose not use lost motion assemblies like every other kind of VTEC ever.

Here are the specs on what it takes to activate VTEC

1 Your MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor must read 0hg (aka 0 inches of vacuum). When it reads this it will send a 3volt signal to the ECU.

2. Your throttle has to be open 100% because your TPS sensor has to send a 4.5-volt signal to the ECU.

3. Your coolant temp has to be at running temp.

4. Vehicle speed has to be above 20mph.

5. You have to have 65-80 oil psi.

6. The engine must be running at a minimum of 4500 RPM

When all of this happens your ECU sends a 12-volt signal to your VTEC solenoid.

Also a common misbelieve is that the louder you VTEC is the better. Absolutely not! Last month I got to drive a 11.874 sec N/A H22 powered 93 civic hatch. This thing had kick ass VTEC wow. When it hit it was like a kick in the nuts. But there wasn’t a big noise change, but wow you really felt it especially to run an 11 sec at 5280 ft above sea level.

So this is it everything on SOHC VTEC. I did a lot of research (reading tech books) and a lot of talking to a lot of people. I know all the Specs here are absolutely correct because they all cam from Honda Tech books, I have included scanned copies so nobody can refute these claims. Now its Friday night so I’m going to wrap this up so I can go out, but I will add more this weekend.

[MajinB]

yea i think you guys should read about the info before you say it sucks. the vtec kicks in at 2500 WOT or 3k at any throttle position.
http://www.dezod.com/pd_dezod_motorsports.cfm
this is the result on a AUTO d17 at 8 psi. idk what they used to tune it.
but yes the d motor sucks till you use forced induction.

[fight club]

same descriptiopn as the site i posted....
yours: Dyno Results: Our AUTO transmission 2001 Civic EX made 90 WHP & 84 WTQ prior to turbo, and after the addition of our turbo kit made 146.7 WHP & 121.9 FT/LBS of WTQ @ circa 8 PSI w/ a T3 Super 60 turbo, on 93 Octane (no additives or sprays & running a fully functional catalytic converter on the down pipe) on a 76 degree day in Buffalo, NY. That is a 63% power increase, and a 45% torque increase at the wheels on a mere 8 PSI on a stock motor, automatic transmission vehicle. 5 Speed vehicles can expect an additional 15-25% more power.

mine:Dyno Results: Our AUTO transmission 2001 Civic EX made 90 WHP & 84 WTQ prior to turbo, and after the addition of our turbo kit made 146.7 WHP & 121.9 FT/LBS of WTQ @ circa 8 PSI w/ a T3 Super 60 turbo, on 93 Octane. With a Manual we should put down 176 WHP and 140WTQ (no additives or sprays & running a fully functional catalytic converter on the down pipe) on a 76 degree day in Buffalo, NY. That is a 63% power increase, and a 45% torque increase at the wheels on a mere 8 PSI on a stock motor, automatic transmission vehicle.

[Bruce Leroy]

yeah it's a 63% increase, but its only 145 horses.

[MajinB]

yea but my point was it was an auto. 15 to 25 percent difference is like 160-170 to the wheels. idk what fuel system they used though. and the exhaust is stock. and the catylitic converter gets clogged on d17s if its stock. you have to have a high flow cat or downpipe to not have a bottleneck effect. so a full aftermarket exhaust will help with the turbo setup.
a stock type S is 170 to the wheels. and the em2 weighs less than the DC5. so idk. id be satisfied with around 170-180 with like 9 psi.

[oi2325]

i think if you own a 7thgen you dont hate it. there are the same opertunities you get with most other vic engines except its alot more tame. and there is always the ability of swapping a k20-24 in.

[A.P. Photography]

i think if you own a 7thgen you dont hate it. there are the same opertunities you get with most other vic engines except its alot more tame. and there is always the ability of swapping a k20-24 in.
NO, I own one and I hate it.

[Bruce Leroy]

The thing that i hate MOST about my car is that every time I see one on the street a girl is behind the wheel.

[A.P. Photography]

The thing that i hate MOST about my car is that every time I see one on the street a girl is behind the wheel.
LOL, I haven't really noticed that too much. I mean the car is nice for what it is but there are SO many things that could have been done better or at least matched the earlier years. If it wasn't for me working towards a house and the gas mileage I would have sold it already.

[Civic88]

i have a question i have a 2004 civic ex v-tech and no doubt to say it is pretty slow to me. but i was contemplating about turboing the D17a but i have been told from alot of people that it is not a good idea because the engine cant hold more than 5psi without a bunch of mods please send a message back if you have any valuble information thanks.

[allmotoronly]

[QUOTE=Civic88]i have a question i have a 2004 civic ex v-tech QUOTE]

you should take that v-tech back to walmart and have real vtec hooked up. v-tech is a cordless phone. VTEC is Variable valve Timing and lift Electronic Control, and thats what your civic has. first, sell the civic and buy an either buy an older civic or a new civic Si. The car you h ave now is a money pit and you will always be disappointed. I know... I had one. I did everything there was to do to the car short of a K20A2 swap, and it still sucked donkey balls.... dont waste the money. sell the civic, take the $3500 you were going to spend on the turbo kit, and buy a B-series swapped 96-00 civic coupe.

[anfgermany]

they look ugly just my opinion