Jesus

[Hulud]

the thing i dont get is why is he depicted as a white guy?
there were no white people in Jerusalem back then, and why are all the people depicted as white?

[TheSnail]

Im guessing he looks better in that color.

[ShooterMcGavin]

hmmm ur post just made me think of the play joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat :D

[Hulud]

hmmm ur post just made me think of the play joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat :D
good im glad :)

[ShooterMcGavin]

speaking of which, shouldn't u be studying instead of coming up w/new threads? :D

[Hulud]

speaking of which, shouldn't u be studying instead of coming up w/new threads? :D
HEY! i did all day now i am relaxing and about to goto bed :mad:
lol

[ShooterMcGavin]

excuses are like assholes....everyones got one man :tongue: j/k i'm out to bed as well, peace! :D

[Romeyo07]

I believe the bible claims him to have had blonde hair...but I'm not sure. Lemme look it up. If so, that explains why they thought he was white.

[metalman]

Jesus was born into the jewish race, therefore one can deduct he would have been of a ruddy white complexion. The Bible speaks of white hair, like wool, but not in the context of His earthly body when living on earth.

[b@d @pple]

Jesus was born into the jewish race, therefore one can deduct he would have been of a ruddy white complexion. The Bible speaks of white hair, like wool, but not in the context of His earthly body when living on earth.

wow..you sir are a fuckin douchebag

[Romeyo07]

wow..you sir are a fuckin douchebag

Do you have nothing better to do than make pointless posts? Grow up, kid.

[b@d @pple]

Do you have nothing better to do than make pointless posts? Grow up, kid.

go to church faggot

[quickdodge®]

Do you have nothing better to do than make pointless posts? Grow up, kid.

Shut the fuck up, goddamnit. Later, QD.

[{X}Echo419]

this thread went from grown up to childish in less than 13 posts. that's faster than a civic in the 1/4 mi! :)

[Romeyo07]

this thread went from grown up to childish in less than 13 posts.

Exactly. "I have nothing to say about this so I'll just bash some Christians".


go to church faggot

Someone's e-feelings get hurt? If you don't like it, you don't have to read it. Life's rough, wear a helmet, move along.

[b@d @pple]

feelings hurt about what sir

[Romeyo07]

well why else would you "retaliate" with what you said?

[b@d @pple]

why would what he say ...get my feelings hurt..i just simply stated he was a douche bag and you should go to church....

[{X}Echo419]

why would what he say ...get my feelings hurt..i just simply stated he was a douche bag and you should go to church....

what next? are you going to cure cancer or stop global warming

[b@d @pple]

just as soon as find a cure for you fuckin christians

[{X}Echo419]

just as soon as find a cure for you fuckin christians
a. who said was a christian.
b. good luck buddy

[Romeyo07]

just as soon as find a cure for you fuckin christians

What has a Christian done to you?

[Hulud]

Jesus was born into the jewish race, therefore one can deduct he would have been of a ruddy white complexion. The Bible speaks of white hair, like wool, but not in the context of His earthly body when living on earth.
jewish race?
how is a religion now a race? ;)

[Romeyo07]

Isrealie I believe

[Tasuki_Civic]

just as soon as find a cure for you fuckin christians


lol personlay i think he you mad tha thread worth lookin at cause the rest of the shit everyone is talkin about boring and pointless.

i dont think this thread is worth makin a real comment about tha topic.

[{X}Echo419]

jewish race?
how is a religion now a race? ;)

I believe ethnicity is the word. and their complextion and facial features are similar to anglo-europeans. so I can totally undersstand why Jesus would "look like a white man".

[b@d @pple]

lol personlay i think he you mad tha thread worth lookin at cause the rest of the shit everyone is talkin about boring and pointless.

i dont think this thread is worth makin a real comment about tha topic.

i might have a reply if that made any fukin since..

[metalman]

jewish race?
how is a religion now a race? ;)

Yes. Being jewish in this context is a middle eastern ethnicity, a race, not just a religion. I'm sorry, I thought everyone knew that. The children of Abraham are comprised two ethnicities of people, jews and palestinians. The jewish people are the children of Sarah. The palestinian are the children of Hagar. They are related.

Jesus was born into the tribe of Judah, one of the sons of Jacob who was the grandson of Abraham.

[noodle]

the thing i dont get is why is he depicted as a white guy?
I think a lot of it has to do with who had all of the $$$ and time back then to paint the pictures. I'm sure the Kings and Popes of Europe during that time made sure that Jesus looked more like the Local population :2cents:

[Hulud]

Yes. Being jewish in this context is a middle eastern ethnicity, a race, not just a religion. I'm sorry, I thought everyone knew that. The children of Abraham are comprised two ethnicities of people, jews and palestinians. The jewish people are the children of Sarah. The palestinian are the children of Hagar. They are related.

Jesus was born into the tribe of Judah, one of the sons of Jacob who was the grandson of Abraham.
jews=people of jerusalem?

[metalman]

jews=people of jerusalem?

Not just ethnic jews are from Jerusalem. Palestinians and others are native of there too. The jewish bloodline extends throughout different parts of the world due to the fact the Jewish people (what we call Israeli) didnt have a homeland/Jewish state until 1949 and were scattered about.

[metalman]

I think a lot of it has to do with who had all of the $$$ and time back then to paint the pictures. I'm sure the Kings and Popes of Europe during that time made sure that Jesus looked more like the Local population :2cents:

Tis true. Many depictions of "Jesus" show him to be pagan/roman catholic in his hand gestures and attire, something that would be quite removed from the truth.

[Hulud]

I think a lot of it has to do with who had all of the $$$ and time back then to paint the pictures. I'm sure the Kings and Popes of Europe during that time made sure that Jesus looked more like the Local population :2cents:
with that statement you can also argue that those same rich people who created jesus' image could have created the story of jesus....

some food for thought

[metalman]

with that statement you can also argue that those same rich people who created jesus' image could have created the story of jesus....

some food for thought

You can argue anything, including that...however you wouldnt have any proof of such. Also, you have many Biblical prophecys written years before Jesus, or any pope, very accurate timelines and details written in advance.
Theres plenty there for the discerning eye.

Besides, rich people often have not much use for Jesus in general. ;)

[Hulud]

You can argue anything, including that...however you wouldnt have any proof of such. Also, you have many Biblical prophecys written years before Jesus, or any pope, very accurate timelines and details written in advance.
Theres plenty there for the discerning eye.
and theres proof of jesus?



Besides, rich people often have not much use for Jesus in general. ;)
apparently they did :eye:
kings did (werent they rich? yes thats right they were)
they said they were given divine right to the throne ;)

[Hulud]

and more specifically towards jesus. it was used to keep people in line
"turn the other cheek" - when your getting oppressed by the king just sit back and take it

think about that...

[TheSnail]

Remember when you were little, and you had to draw a dinosaur, and your teacher said you can color them any color and pattern that you want because scientist only found the bones so they dont even know their real color. Well same thing applies for Jesus, except the dinosaurs used to exist.

[metalman]

and theres proof of jesus?

Yes... its all around you. In fact your own body and concience contains proof.




apparently they did :eye:
kings did (werent they rich? yes thats right they were)
they said they were given divine right to the throne ;)

Claming to be gods or have "divine rights" is not even related to having use for Jesus. On the contrary, its against Him.

[metalman]

Well same thing applies for Jesus, except the dinosaurs used to exist.

Yes...dinasours used to exist...Jesus still does. ;)

[Hulud]

Yes... its all around you. In fact your own body and concience contains proof.
let me restate this we have gone over this before, there is no proof there, there is no way to prove jesus existed, nor disprove

[TheSnail]

Yes...dinasours used to exist...Jesus still does. ;)


Suuuuuuurrrre....

[Hulud]

ok if jesus did exist, where are the roman documents?
you know cause mary and joseph had to go register (or whatever it was called i cant think of the word) in their home town

[metalman]

The proof is there...if you do not wish to see it or admit it, thats your choice. From the evidence of Creation to the very concience we ALL have, to the Bible truths that we can prove, and on and on..there more then abundant proof. Of course its no accident that a measure of faith must be excercised. God does require belief, faith, and an excercise of that faith as a test of our loyalty to Him. Sadly, those who dont have it or obtain it won't enjoy anything beyond the misery of this world that we call life. You don't have to believe me if you wish but time will tell, I am more then certain.

Its interesting to me that the very things the Bible predicts about this and the human condition are exactly coming to pass. More proof for any descerning eye. ;)

[TheSnail]

Time will not tell. Shit will just turn black.

[johndial]

I wonder how many athiest were out to prove that God doesn't exist and ended up finding truth in scripture?? I don't know, but the Bible and it's history (alot of it being Jewish) gives more than enough proof for the "common man" like us all. It's a wonder why people don't look at that and try to find a word spelled wrong and say "HA! SEE, SEE!! I TOLD YOU GOD DOESN'T EXIST!! SO NEITHER DOES JESUS!!"

[TheSnail]

"HA! SEE, SEE!! I TOLD YOU GOD DOESN'T EXIST!! SO NEITHER DOES JESUS!!"


I could not have said it better.



But seriously, if I got cancer or aids or something then I would consider believing in ghosts and stories to give me hope. Though In my life, the only time I touched a bible was in court, and I am as healthy as an Ox, so I dont need hope or any of that jibbajabba.

[Romeyo07]

When it comes down to it, people will just have opposing beliefs and there is nothing you can do about it. Ok, they've heard our side of the story, we've answered questions, etc...but the choice is theirs to either accept it or disregard it.

Christians need to learn to accept that you're not going to win everyone over. Instead of always trying to work them over, just be their friend like everyone else.

Voya is very good people. Helped me with my clutch master cylinder when I first moved up here. He was the first person I met up here. Does it matter that he doesn't believe what I do? Nope...I'd kick back a beer with him anytime. More Christians should be willing to befriend people than turn them away.

[Hulud]

More Christians should be willing to befriend people than turn them away.
:stupid:

[metalman]

When it comes down to it, people will just have opposing beliefs and there is nothing you can do about it. Ok, they've heard our side of the story, we've answered questions, etc...but the choice is theirs to either accept it or disregard it.

Christians need to learn to accept that you're not going to win everyone over. Instead of always trying to work them over, just be their friend like everyone else.


The fact is that if Jesus Himself came to the GA Dome for a week of seminars and gave proof that He existed and worked requested miracles and responded to ANY question asked there would STILL be a majority of people who would refuse to believe.
It would be no different in 2006 then in AD 30-33.

Its clear from the Bible that God wishes to make an utter end of evil yet save anyone who DESIRES it. He will not save anyone who does not desire it. He has seen fit to give evidence of His Creative power and existence, He has given His sure Word of prophecy, He has given principles that can be tested, He will comfort anyone who desires Him by His Spirit etc etc etc In order to ensure that an utter end of sin and evil is made He requires all believers to not only have a measure of faith but to act upon that faith.

I can tell you from personal experience that the goal of any sincere parent is to gain the love, respect, & obedience of their children, not only when theyre in the room watching in person but when theyre absent. Its no different with our Father, our Creator, He wants our love, respect & obedience even when He's not there in person where we can see Him. When I come home and find one of my children disobeying because I wasn't there in person I reward them accordingly. I give them exactly what they asked for. Same is true with God.

I don't see what is gained by a disbelief if God. Its clear to me as a history buff that mans way is ALWAYS destructive, and it never works out. We in the USA enjoy much that the majority of the world does not. At any given time the majority of the world is in poverty, violence, war, starvation, genocide, etc etc etc etc. Even our own free and rich society is largely given to violence. Given that fact, why anyone would choose to think that mans way will work out and is best is beyond me.

As its been stated before, there is nothing to be lost by belief in Christ and everything to be gained. On the contrary there is everything to be lost by disbelief and nothing to be gained. No one has ever shown me one real benefit from disbelief. Regardless, I respect the God given right of choice of others and as the Bible says, at some point one should simply cast the dust of their feet and move on. And as you have said, be a friend. :)

[Romeyo07]

Sometimes it just serves better to be a lighthouse rather than a watchtower

[TheSnail]

Voya is very good people. Helped me with my clutch master cylinder when I first moved up here. He was the first person I met up here. Does it matter that he doesn't believe what I do? Nope...I'd kick back a beer with him anytime. More Christians should be willing to befriend people than turn them away.

Bottom lip shivers. Thanks.

I agree, with with everything you said, and it made me realize Im a bit harsh when I respond to these threads. So I need to turn it down a notch. Thats unless some one is completely brain washed or tries to argue with my belifes or the lack of them. But on the side note, I'll be having a cookout/party this Sat. so let me know if you can make it.

[Hulud]

Bottom lip shivers. Thanks.

I agree, with with everything you said, and it made me realize Im a bit harsh when I respond to these threads. So I need to turn it down a notch. Thats unless some one is completely brain washed or tries to argue with my belifes or the lack of them. But on the side note, I'll be having a cookout/party this Sat. so let me know if you can make it.
sweet i can make it gimme directions

[TheSnail]

^pm'd

[Hulud]

^pm'd

[babowc]

shouldnt jesus be brown?
middle east?
stupid guess. i nknow

[David88vert]

Most Jewish people that I've met (and worked with) are white. Just not European.

[Romeyo07]

Bottom lip shivers. Thanks.

I agree, with with everything you said, and it made me realize Im a bit harsh when I respond to these threads. So I need to turn it down a notch. Thats unless some one is completely brain washed or tries to argue with my belifes or the lack of them. But on the side note, I'll be having a cookout/party this Sat. so let me know if you can make it.

Yeah lemme know what time. I coach my son's soccer team and we've gotta game Sat. Morning. Other than that, I don't think anything else is going on.

[Hulud]

Most Jewish people that I've met (and worked with) are white. Just not European.
thats because people have free choice to believe what they want.

but if you goto palestine and isreal are the people still white there?

[metalman]

but if you goto palestine and isreal are the people still white there?

Ethnic Jews and Isrealis tend to be of "ruddy white" complexion. Darker then say an Irishman but not anything like an African. ;)
Of course when people intermarry there are then other varieties of color shades.

[Hulud]

Ethnic Jews and Isrealis tend to be of "ruddy white" complexion. Darker then say an Irishman but not anything like an African. ;)
Of course when people intermarry there are then other varieties of color shades.
they aqrent what you would call white, cause people always refer to the european complex of white

[{X}Echo419]

they aqrent what you would call white, cause people always refer to the european complex of white
are you really going to debate him over Jesus's tan?

[Hulud]

are you really going to debate him over Jesus's tan?
apparently, because back then people werent mixing with others because there was no mass transit. so i would come to believe him to look darker. like how the middle easterns looked before the europeans came in in teh crusades and after the 2 world wars

[{X}Echo419]

apparently, because back then people werent mixing with others because there was no mass transit. so i would come to believe him to look darker. like how the middle easterns looked before the europeans came in in teh crusades and after the 2 world wars

he wasn't "middle eastern" he was JEWISH. China and India are pretty damned close shouldn't the Indians and Chinses look the same?

[Hulud]

he wasn't "middle eastern" he was JEWISH. China and India are pretty damned close shouldn't the Indians and Chinses look the same?
:lmfao:

ok so jerusalem isnt in the middle east?

[{X}Echo419]

:lmfao:

ok so jerusalem isnt in the middle east?

are that damned dense? "look" middle eastern. ie. he didn't "look like" a typical Iranian or Syrian person. is that clear enough for you?

[Hulud]

are that damned dense? "look" middle eastern. ie. he didn't "look like" a typical Iranian or Syrian person. is that clear enough for you?
so what your saying is that he was born in the middle east but he didnt look middle eastern, that makes sense :lmfao:
since he was born from midlle eastern parents i guess god feels that white is superior if his son is going to pop outta some middle eastern lady and be white :eye:

[{X}Echo419]

so what your saying is that he was born in the middle east but he didnt look middle eastern, that makes sense :lmfao:
since he was born from midlle eastern parents i guess god feels that white is superior if his son is going to pop outta some middle eastern lady and be white :eye:

same way Russians look asian. and his parents were Jewish. :eye:

[Hulud]

same way Russians look asian. and his parents were Jewish. :eye:
russians look asian? :lmfao: thats news to me
that was a pretty ignorant statement LOL

his parents were jewish but they were middle eastern whcih means darker skin, it all makes since now, he was albino
got it :rolleyes:

[Hulud]

russian - http://www.colorton.ru/foto/putin.jpg
hmmm white skin, skinny nose, round eyes
asian - http://hardbeatnews.com/adminis/photos/Chinese%20President%20Hu%20Jintao.jpg
hmmm yellowish skin, flatter nose, slanted eye


yea they look alike :rolleyes:

[{X}Echo419]

russian - http://www.colorton.ru/foto/putin.jpg
hmmm white skin, skinny nose, round eyes
asian - http://hardbeatnews.com/adminis/photos/Chinese%20President%20Hu%20Jintao.jpg
hmmm yellowish skin, flatter nose, slanted eye


yea they look alike :rolleyes:

Hey slick! THAT'S EXACTALLY WHAT I'M SAYING! just because Isreal is in the middle of the middle east( :lmfao: ) doesn't mean they will look alike

[Hulud]

Hey slick! THAT'S EXACTALLY WHAT I'M SAYING! just because Isreal is in the middle of the middle east( :lmfao: ) doesn't mean they will look alike
history lesson time, isreal wasnt a country till 1948.


but thats beyond the point, the people you see there now are refugees that fled there from all around teh world so todays peopel are not an accurate portrayl of what the population looked like in 8BC

[Romeyo07]

history lesson time, isreal wasnt a country till 1948.


but thats beyond the point, the people you see there now are refugees that fled there from all around teh world so todays peopel are not an accurate portrayl of what the population looked like in 8BC

Who's to say that it wasn't a diversified world then (skin pigmentation, not nationality, etc.) Interracial mixing has never been uncommon.

[metalman]

Ethnic Jewish blood lines have been fairly well preserved throughout the 2k years since Christ. Such people have a tendancy to marry only their own kind, even cousins. The ethnic jews and palestinians I know pretty much all practice this. I think its pretty safe to say that Jesus looked pretty much like the average ethnic jew or palestinian does today. In all honesty it really doesnt matter much how dark or light his skin was. We know he was born an ethnic jew, that should speak for itself. ;)

[Hulud]

Who's to say that it wasn't a diversified world then (skin pigmentation, not nationality, etc.) Interracial mixing has never been uncommon.
true, but a white jesus and a white middle east doesnt make sense is all im saying in this thread

its the fat white men making jesus to what they want

[johndial]

I think we should assassinate the fat men, WHO'S WITH ME?!?!

[Scgrandprix]

Awsome a post that shows how destructive organized religion really is

[{X}Echo419]

history lesson time, isreal wasnt a country till 1948.


but thats beyond the point, the people you see there now are refugees that fled there from all around teh world so todays peopel are not an accurate portrayl of what the population looked like in 8BC

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: Somebody get this guy a cookie for being so damned smart!
I didn't know that political boarders determined peoples ethnicity.

[Romeyo07]

true, but a white jesus and a white middle east doesnt make sense is all im saying in this thread

I think its due to our common conception of what a middle-eastern person looks like. We think Habeeb from the corner store, when it's probably Moshe Goldstein from the law office.

[{X}Echo419]

I think its due to our common conception of what a middle-eastern person looks like. We think Habeeb from the corner store, when it's probably Moshe Goldstein from the law office.
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: +1

[Hulud]

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: Somebody get this guy a cookie for being so damned smart!
I didn't know that political boarders determined peoples ethnicity.
it actually does in this instance because most people that are in isreal werent originally from there, they transplanted there after ww2

[{X}Echo419]

it actually does in this instance because most people that are in isreal werent originally from there, they transplanted there after ww2
:stupid:

[metalman]

My Palestinian friends had been in Jersusalem for generation upon generation UNTIL 1948 when they were kicked off their lands and came to the USA. And they are of a "ruddy white" complexion....I suppose one could describe it as having a medium tan. :D

[Hulud]

:stupid:
aslong as you finally agree :eye:

[{X}Echo419]

aslong as you finally agree :eye:

:wgaf:

[biblethumper]

I dont push my beliefs on anyone. I have lots of friends that are of a different religion than me. I accept them as they are. Christians are not supposed to judge others, but sadly that does happen. But if I am asked my opinion Im gonna give it.

The Bible states that Jesus was labeled on crucifixion day and palm sunday as King of the Jews.