The Destruction an Reincarnation of 99SIs B16

[Vteckidd]

Some of you know that 99SI was one of my first customers. We built him a stock block b16 that revved to 9800rpms an sometimes 10,000. The motor lasted an outstanding 40,000 miles +. He had a long powerband that peaked at 175whp@9300. But all good things must come to an end. Heres what happens when you rev a motor out that far for that long:

Original Specs:
B16 Short Block
PR3 Pistons (stock)
ARP 9mm Rod bolts
Stock rods
rotating assembly balanced professionally
Rocket Motorsports M22X Cams
Rocket motorsports Valvetrain
Omnipower Flat Face High Compression valves
milled head .30
AEBS intake manifold
DC JDM 4-1 Header 2.5in collector

Head looks in great shape considering
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Block
Pistons look good, normal carbon build up
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The bad
#3 Rod bearing
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#4 Rod Bearing
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[Vteckidd]

^^^If you are reffering to me, I don't know exactly yet obviously as it has only just begun to be built. But, IMHO I should be looking at around 124-127 wtq with my header, give or take. Which would be 18-21 more ft/lb than my b16. A pretty significant amount considering it's not a big stroke motor and it's a Honda. lol. If you weren't asking me, well then, go fuck yourself. lol. j/k. I think this shit has turned into a situation of neither wanting to back down. I do feel that 1Civic instigated this shit though. Backhanded comments and being a smartass are not made up for by saying, "not trying to be an ass, or just wanting to know so chill." In fact I would say by saying things like that it is more of a compounding problem since you are saying, I can be an asshole, tell you I'm not, and it should be OK. 1Civic brought up a Type R head and it's flow characteristics in a thread about me spinning a bearing, / Obviously 1Civic was looking to start shit with Mike. Bottom line is, Mike knows his stuff but what makes it better is that if he is unsure on something he goes to an industry leader such as, Rocket of RM, David Hsu owner of Skunk2, Don Flores of DFE. The information he has and applies to a build is tested, proven, and known to work and work properly. I am as skeptical as they come and when I first met Mike I looked into everything he said, didn't accept it as a fact because he's the great VTECKIDD but accepted it when I verified it myself. 1Civic if you're trying to discredit Mike, you're barking up the wrong tree. Mike's not going to kiss your ass because you're a customer but he will treat you with respect, be HONEST with you, and tell it like it is. One of the most impressive things to me was the fact that he didn't try to sell me things to make more money. If he could save me money and have a part that was just as reliable or made just as much power then that's what he reccomended. If I would have just gone about ordering my own parts and accumulating stuff it would have cost me twice what I spent with him guiding the build. I'm a loyal Mainstream Performance customer and consider Mike to be a good friend at this juncture in our relationship and anyone who wants to know anything about it can ask me. I'll tell you. Good luck as I said before to anyone who wants to build motors, do it themselves, take stuff to other shops, but when it comes to my money and my car I am going to be going to MSP and Vteckidd. :climbs down off soapbox: lol.

thanks michael, we will get this started this week. she should make some good numbers

[LS2ner]

And thanks for posting his response to my question, Was kinding wondering. Good luck with the build guys! Everything sounds like its gonna be sweet.

[Vteckidd]

*UPDATE*

seems his valve stem seals werent the cause of his "oil" consumption. Found a Cracked valve guide on cylinder 3, exhaust side. everything else looks good, i just finished up dissasembling the head.

[Vteckidd]

I finished up dissasmebling the head today:
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Valveguide cracked
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[LS2ner]

damn thats crazy.

[speedminded]

I gotta teach you the Macro button on the camera...i'm sure it has one.

[Vteckidd]

NEw block arrived today:
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[LS2ner]

Was that his block sitting in the floor near the table with "vteckidd version 3.0" sitting on it?

[Vteckidd]

yes

[99SI]

Here we go. I'm looking forward to getting this show on the road. Machine shop here we come.

[Vteckidd]

its like Xmas:

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[99SI]

what's that, a new header? Budget, what budget? lol. 4-2-1 that whopping 130lb/ft of torque is just going to blow my mind, I won't know what to think after having 105lb/ft for so long. lmao. Shit I've got to keep this car in the garage more often and drive one of Earl's finest home.

[99SI]

Boy, shouldn't be too much longer now. Post up some new pics when you get a chance Mike. The head is at the machine shop having new valve guides installed now. As soon as the head comes back it will be assembled with new Ferrea valves, Rocket motorsports all new valvesprings and ti retainers, M22 or Pro1 not sure yet. Can't wait to get it back in the car and start running again. I forgot how lame most cars are to drive until this last month of driving cadillacs, altimas, maximas, accords, F-150's, etc. home everyday.

[Truegiant]

bump for a new build! Going to def. be nice!

[Vteckidd]

just waiting on the head to get back from Don Flores with new guides

[Z0_o6]

pimp stuff.

i'm curious, why do you stay with a B16? it seems that the budget could allow for something bigger?

[99SI]

It's not a B16 anymore. GSR bottom end, rebuilt, balanced, blueprinted, PR3 pistons, CP rings, ACL race bearings, ARP rod bolts. DFE is doing a valve job, ferrea bronze valve guides, REV flat face valves, ferrea valve stem seals, Rocket Motorsports new valvetrain (can't remember the name). I'm sending DFE a check out today so hopefully within the next couple weeks the engine will be back in the car. We've gone back and forth deciding which way would be best for getting things going and ultimately got a good deal through DFE on the work needed to get my head back in shape and performing even better to boot.

[USDM CTR]

wow good luck with the build this is almost identical to my setup. post some numbers when you guys get everything together.

[Vteckidd]

GSR Block
PR3 pistons
ACL Race bearings
M22X camshafts/Skunk2 PRO1s
Rocket Motorsports Prototype SLX Valvetrain
REV Flat Faced Valves
SMSP/SPARKS 4-2-1 TRI Y Header

Should be in the high 180s low 190s

[Z0_o6]

niiiice. i love all-motor setups. to me they take much more engineering prowess.

[KevinT707]

GSR Block
PR3 pistons
ACL Race bearings
M22X camshafts/Skunk2 PRO1s
Rocket Motorsports Prototype SLX Valvetrain
REV Flat Faced Valves
SMSP/SPARKS 4-2-1 TRI Y Header

Should be in the high 180s low 190s
Betcha he won't make more than my motor ;) .. :rolleyes: (kidding)

[Five*Star*]

That Sparks header looks familiar. It's now on it's third owner in less than one year. It made good power though on a mild b16, 174whp @ 8400rpms on MSPi's dyno.

[99SI]

yep, originally sent to Mike to use during his header comparo that he did about a year ago, he sold it, the guy he sold it to sold it to me. It's had a few cracks that have been rewelded, luckily the guys at MSPi are pretty handy with the welder and can make sure it's in tip top shape before being bolted on. That was one piece I felt like held me back on my last motor was a good header so when the opportunity arose to get a good deal on a top notch header I couldn't pass it up.

[99SI]

Well, finally got some good news out of this project! DonF from DFE was working on my new valve guides yesterday, so hopefully within the next week the new valve angles will be cut, guides done, seals done, and ready to slap on the bottom end that has been waiting oh so patiently in some dark corner of Mainstream! :D Feels like the first build all over again.

[Black R]

if you have the $, get don to do a port and polish on that head... it can work wonders for NA...

[99SI]

That would be lovely but seeing as this was not an expected rebuild, the money I would love to spend was not budgeted for and saved for. I do not have the cash to do all that I want to do.

[Kathryn]

Why does it always come down to money?

[Jdm94Coupe]

because bush is our president... ^^

[LS2ner]

u ever get ur factory body panels back on?? U still a ricer? =P

[Black R]

if you can, get mike to order you an advance set of those omni itb's and see what they can do..... :)

[99SI]

u ever get ur factory body panels back on?? U still a ricer? =P
Wellllllll, since I had to unexpectedly spend $x,xxx.xx to build a new engine to put in my ricemobile I haven't quite found the time, money, or the give a damn to put a new front bumper on. :tongue1: In due time. I just want to be riding again ASAP, I bought a bunch of shit for autox after my first event and broke a couple days before the second event. So I have been anxious to get back out to dodge some cones.

[thinkskater]

because bush is our president... ^^

ya not lying mang , gas is fkin killer these days.... if ur interested i do have a good friend who does some good ass P&P work for low low . lmk man

[99SI]

I spoke with DFE on the phone yesterday, due to some problems with another build my head was delayed. It should be shipped out today going to Mainstream. The engine should be put back together by this time next week and getting ready to put in the car. After several delays on trying to figure out which way to go it looks like there is an end in sight. I'll keep this updated as it gets together and put in the car. Then will come dyno results. Stay tuned.

[Hondasi]

what are you using to tune?

[Vteckidd]

Crome

[99SI]

Head arrived this morning, hopefully Mr. Vteckidd will be kind enough to grace these pages with some pictures of the ensuing build. Hopefully by Sunday the longblock will be put together and be ready to drop into the car next weekend.

[Vteckidd]

99SI an i got the Head all fully assembled today. Ill be reasembling the bottom end tomorrow and installing the fresh cylinder head. Might be able to have it fired up in the next week.

190whp on an OEM block here we come

[Vteckidd]

PICS:
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[99SI]

I enjoyed getting my hands dirty and actually having "something" to do with my motor's build process. Although it was minimal, it was nice to learn something. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that everything goes smoothly with no hang ups or set backs. I spoke with my chassis sitting downstairs in my shop this morning, she said that she wanted her heart back now. :D I cleaned her off and pushed her around a bit so she wouldn't think I had forgotten about her.

[99SI]

waiting on a head gasket, hopefully today it will be done! :crosses fingers:

[Vteckidd]

today EL OH EL

maybe this weekend, if the Gasket gets here it will be this weekend. I have been out of work an sick so i have ALOT to get caught up on, especially since NOPI is going to be here SOON

[99SI]

bitch

[BABY J]

today EL OH EL

maybe this weekend, if the Gasket gets here it will be this weekend. I have been out of work an sick so i have ALOT to get caught up on, especially since NOPI is going to be here SOON

Yeah, HIV is a muthafucka huh?






:) I kid I kid. :)

[o_bomb]

:D Nice motor!!

[99SI]

gracias, hopefully I'll have it back on the streets and killing cones before toooo much longer. lol, sometime in 06 anyway. :)

[BABY J]

Prob Dec 32nd, 2006

[Z33_kid]

looks good always good quality work by u Mr. Vteckidd

[99SI]

Well since Nopi has now come my little project should be able to gain some steam and get finished. fingers crossed.

[SLow_POke]

Well since Nopi has now come my little project should be able to gain some steam and get finished. fingers crossed.


sweet man i've been following the thread




-Ernie

[99SI]

I appreciate it. Since this is a side project and 2jztraitorkidd is helping me out as a friend the shop stuff has to come first. I know that and he knows that I appreciate all the help he's given me on this thing. With Nopi coming up and all the cars that they were trying to get final preparations done so they would be ready for the Mainstream booth there just has not been time to fool with my motor recently. The head gasket is in. All that's left is to tear the short block back down, just to relube everything b/c it's been sitting built for about 2 months. Then put the head and block together and get it slapped in. Maybe another two weeks or so and we'll be ready to throw it on the dyno to get tuned. It's been an extreme excercise in patience that's for sure! I love my car and love driving it so to be without it for the amount of time I have has really sucked. Fortunately I have a car lot so I am not in a bind as far as having something to drive, the only thing is that everything that I drive sucks compared to my car! Mostly been driving, Cadillac's, Saturns, etc. generic shit.

[SLow_POke]

I appreciate it. Since this is a side project and 2jztraitorkidd is helping me out as a friend the shop stuff has to come first. I know that and he knows that I appreciate all the help he's given me on this thing. With Nopi coming up and all the cars that they were trying to get final preparations done so they would be ready for the Mainstream booth there just has not been time to fool with my motor recently. The head gasket is in. All that's left is to tear the short block back down, just to relube everything b/c it's been sitting built for about 2 months. Then put the head and block together and get it slapped in. Maybe another two weeks or so and we'll be ready to throw it on the dyno to get tuned. It's been an extreme excercise in patience that's for sure! I love my car and love driving it so to be without it for the amount of time I have has really sucked. Fortunately I have a car lot so I am not in a bind as far as having something to drive, the only thing is that everything that I drive sucks compared to my car! Mostly been driving, Cadillac's, Saturns, etc. generic shit.

hey man as long as you have something to DRIVE lol. i've been driving the wife's nissan quest mini van since i been here in GA. But within these 2 weeks i might be picking uup my DA from Mike, so hopefully when i'm out there i'll see your car in action .

And ya i could'nt aggre with you more MIke been a fuken cool homie
GL on the build



-Ernie

[Vteckidd]

Yes now that NOPI is over i should have time this weekend to finish assembling it an getting it back in Mikes hands by this coming weeekend.

[99SI]

don't tease :D

[Vteckidd]

im tearing it down now :gasp:

[99SI]

damn it, I want to get excited but I'm afraid too. It's just too good to be real! lol. Give me a shout if you need a hand and I'll do what I can. BTW, glad to hear that the booth turned out good, the pics that have been posted looked nice. You were right, Ozzie's car will definately be a star that will show up that "other" car we talked about. lol.

[99SI]

PICS???????????????

[Vteckidd]

PICS MY ASS

[99SI]

DO IT BITCH! CUZ I SAID SO

[Vteckidd]

why are you online!

[99SI]

AND NO PICS OF UR ASS :gay:

[99SI]

lol, Jill is watching the Auburn game and getting on my nerves so I came in here and decided to see what's up.

[99SI]

The question is what the hell are you doing online? Don't you have a head to torque down or some cams to install or a flywheel and clutch or oil pump etc. etc. etc. :D

[Vteckidd]

The question is what the hell are you doing online? Don't you have a head to torque down or some cams to install or a flywheel and clutch or oil pump etc. etc. etc. :D
oil pump is already installed jackass :)

heads on , dynoing spoolins car now though, so that takes precedence.

750whp>190whp ;)

it should be 90% together by tomrrow night, i plan on staying LATE

[99SI]

Yeah but I could kick Spoolins and your ass. :D Sounds good, I may ride up there tonight if you're going to be around late. Help you get finished, and keep you focused on the task at hand.

[99SI]

I must now give a big thanks to Darryl over at Gwinnet place Honda. Anybody that is in need of OEM Honda parts needs to check with them. I have checked with about eight different Honda and Acura dealers for an OEM headgasket for a Bseries DOHC VTEC motor. One Acura dealer in Macon had one in stock, the others had none. GPH had 3 in stock! Unless there is another SNAFU then all should be a go for picking up the engine Sunday, 10/8. There have been many delays in this project, from things that we found with the motor that we hadn't originally anticipated, to parts backorders, to people using MY HEADGASKET :D, etc. The way it always goes. But, it finally looks as if there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Now I've got to try to find the time to do the install next week and get that bitch back up to the wonderful group of bastards at Mainstream Performance to get it tuned. I want to thank all the folks at Mainstream, specifically Mr. 2JZTRAITORKIDD, as they have put up with my shit and gone out of their way once again for a customer they know will always be a proud Mainstream supporter. Stay tuned, it may actually be finished soon!

[BABY J]

I am still hating!!!! LOL. That's good stuff Mike and Mike. I have been working w/ Colletti Motorsports in Ohio... that's the only decent shop close to Indianapolis. Man I miss home so much. I actually have not had a lot of time for racing, building, eating - sleeping --> hell I haven't had time for much at all other than wondering what suspension to throw under the EF since mine has went to crap lately. I will have my other block swapped in and tuned before I come back to ATL though. I can't wait to hear more about your project though Mike. And FUCK Loctite for being a traitor!!!! LOL. Naah, I am kidding - there is a boosted IS300 here (stock block) and let me say I can DEF see why people switch. :) To each his own. :) Missin you fuck tards - okay, that was a lil EMO. LMAO!!


Baby J

[99SI]

Damn fool, I thought you were dead. The headgasket got picked up today so unless something freak happens (why did I say that) it should be good to go tomorrow. Good to hear from you J, hopefully you'll be able to take a ride in the Si with the new motor before you go running accross the globe. Holla biatch

[Vteckidd]

everything is together, just got put the TB on

[JDMBeau]

pics man where the pics lol

[Vteckidd]

coming in a sec

[Vteckidd]

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[JDMBeau]

looks good. looks almost like my longblock thus far.

oh and mike you need a better camera lol

[99SI]

Gee how long does it take for a header to get that coated in dust? lol. You can tell it's been sitting in the corner for a few minutes now. I have the longblock in the back of the car. I have to get my flywheel resurfaced and a few little miscellaneous odds and ends and it'll be time to get down to business, hopefully by the end of next weekend I will be able to have it in the chassis and ready to go back to mainstream for a new tune. I'll post some pics as it's going into the car.

[Vteckidd]

that header is STAINLESS STEEL, it doesnt rust :)

its just dust LOL

[BABY J]

LOL @ Mike. Why resuface it - just spring for the Fidanza and call it a day bro.

[99SI]

I'm not a baller like you. Not yet. :D

[BABY J]

I'm not a baller like you. Not yet. :D

LOL - I wish! HA HA. Do it once, do it right. Tell the lady that you want it for x-mas since it's right around the corner. Funny - I always tell people to "do it once, do it right" yet I gotta redo shit on the EF and EG b/c I was tryna rush years ago. All these years in the game I am JUST now tryna live by that creed.

[99SI]

There's nothing really wrong with the flywheel, I'm going to get it resurfaced since it's out of the car anyway. It would be nice to go with a lightweight flywheel but I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm going to take it down to a local machine shop here in an hour or two. Besides, the flywheel on my B16, yeah, I spot welded the ring gear onto the flywheel b/c it had come off. lol. I pulled off the starter and just tried to space the spot welds as evenly as possibly around it. Talk about some ghetto fabrication, Mike pulled it off when I took the motor up and said, "What the fuck is that shit?" lol. Gotta do what you gotta do.

[BABY J]

There's nothing really wrong with the flywheel, I'm going to get it resurfaced since it's out of the car anyway. It would be nice to go with a lightweight flywheel but I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm going to take it down to a local machine shop here in an hour or two. Besides, the flywheel on my B16, yeah, I spot welded the ring gear onto the flywheel b/c it had come off. lol. I pulled off the starter and just tried to space the spot welds as evenly as possibly around it. Talk about some ghetto fabrication, Mike pulled it off when I took the motor up and said, "What the fuck is that shit?" lol. Gotta do what you gotta do.

That's custom - 1 off shit. Can't just get shit like that off the net... you gotta know somebody. HA HA. Gotta have the hookup - Loctite wouldn't understand. LMAO!

[USDM CTR]

ahhh nice, SELL ME YOUR HEADER!! lol i got a smiliar setup, let me know when it gets on the dyno, mine should be up there hopefully end of this week. btw do you still have the jdm dc header from your old setup?

[99SI]

I sold my JDM DC to Baby J when I got the Sparks header. If you keep a look out you can find one every now and then when someone moves up to a high dollar header. There are usually some on HT. People are still asking a bunch for the JDM DC tho. It wasn't a bad header, it's the best for a budget. I got lucky and got the Sparks for a good deal used and I know that header makes good power right up in the range of the Hytech production and RMF headers. The 4-2-1 design limits the very top end a little bit but more than makes up for it with an increased midrange and more torque. I plan to use this motor more for autox, hillclimb, and road race type stuff so the larger midrange powerband will be more beneficial.

[USDM CTR]

^^ya i really want some hytec or rmf header but cant find any for a decent price. let me know how yours turn out, i just bring my setup for idle tune then full throttle sometime this week.

[Vteckidd]

i can get RAGE headers for cheap, well, kinda cheap

[99SI]

lol, there is no such thing as a "cheap" quality header that makes good power. I know what you mean by cheap, cheap as in less than they advertise or less than an RMF or Hytech. It's crazy now with the cost of stainless steel. Guys like RMF, John @ hytech, and Turbo Dave deserve every penny for their skilled fabrication skills and design abilities. Good header = $$$

[99SI]

I guess I could have made those pictures a little bigger. lol. I'm tired so if anyone feels up to resizing them go for it. Otherwise I'll work on it tomorrow.

[99SI]

I got here and got the motor on the hoist and got ready to get started with my mechanic on getting the tranny and motor bolted back together. Then I realized that I forgot to get my flywheel bolts from Mainstream when I picked up my motor. DOH! Ahh, as it seems to be with me and my projects, another delay. Oh well, at least this one is easily curable and I should begin in the morning getting started. Mr. 2JZEMOKIDD has been kind enough to agree to meet me this evening to give me my flywheel bolts so I can get this show on the road. So another big thank you to Mike for the help and looking out.

[Vteckidd]

god damn right

[BTEC]

MIKE, SHEDDUP!

[BABY J]

I sold my JDM DC to Baby J when I got the Sparks header.

LOL - and Baby J sole it to JDMEG6 when his Hytech finally came in. :) Sorry.

[99SI]

Got some new pictures.

[BABY J]

We got no engines... DO WE!!! DO WE!!! DO WE!!!!!


What do they plan on racing with... hopes and dreams??

LOL

[99SI]

^^^You thought you were the only black guy I knew didn't you? :D

[BABY J]

^^^You thought you were the only black guy I knew didn't you? :D

I guess you know at least 2! You had to replace me after I came to Indy.

[99SI]

I sell cars to black people all the time! Probably my most frequent customers. I hold them down since I'm the man and I'm whitey. :D

[BABY J]

Yeah. Why you gotta keep a n*gga down? Kill whitey! LOL

[Hondasi]

did u invest in lsd?? i be getting mine soon does wonders with n/a setup

[Vteckidd]

he has an ITR LSD

[KevinT707]

BTW 99Si's "Reincarnation" will still be slow & I don't even know whats done to it, but its been like 6 months since I last heard or seen it .. ;)

Call me out when its running buddy!

[BABY J]

BTW 99Si's "Reincarnation" will still be slow & I don't even know whats done to it, but its been like 6 months since I last heard or seen it .. ;)

Call me out when its running buddy!

LOL. Shame on you. You know he is more into road course/autox/uphill not straightline. :slap:

[99SI]

Don't even get me started about how long it's been. Not that it's anyone's fault. It's just that Murphy's law follows me around like a bitch. I can't get away from it, anything that can go wrong does go wrong. I've been waiting three days trying to find a bracket for the motor mount. I had to order one from GPH today. I would have had the engine in the car yesterday if I'd had it. It's been so long since I took the B16 out of it that trying to find all of the parts that came off has been a nightmare. Luckily I have a lift/jacks/a mechanic to help me out with everything.

[99SI]

Kev, don't worry as soon as I get a few miles on it and make sure nothing is going to come apart, (mike did build the longblock), and get a tune on it I'll be sure to holler at ya so we can get some runs in. I think motor to motor I can take you but with you on spray you should win. IDK tho, I hear you can't drive that beast you got so maybe it'll be a drivers race. :D

[99SI]

well I finally got in what I hope to be the last of the OEM parts that I needed. I've been waiting for a bracket for the drivers side engine mount for about a week. I'm hoping to make some headway on getting the motor bolted into the car today and hopefully tow it up to Mainstream this weekend or at the latest the first part of the week. Stay tuned for some pictures of putting the motor in the bay.

[Da_unknown]

thats some good news......

[99SI]

no shit, unfortunately I had one of the most frustrating set backs to date yesterday. We were all ready to get started, the car was in the air on the lift and couldn't do shit!!!! lol. When we pulled the motor out last time we put the axles and all back in so we could put the wheels on and roll it out of the way until we got ready to put the motor back in. Well the geniouses that put the wheels back on didn't put my lug key back in the car. So in a disorganized shop it is nowhere to be found! We did what we had to do to get the lug nuts off so that took most of the afternoon. But we have them off and are looking to make some headway this morning. I hope to have pics posted up tonight but if not it will be in the morning for sure. I need everyone to say a little prayer, light a candle, cross your fingers, legs, arms, whatever. I need all the help I can get to get this thing going and not have any more snags to slow it down.

[BABY J]

It's a Honda... it will be slow no matter what. LOL. :)



~ runs

[99SI]

I can still take whatever little piece of shit you have to bring to the table. EF EG SPECV
it makes no difference, you will lose! We've got the body down over the motor/tranny. Getting ready to start bolting things up now. I had to come upstairs to watch the front while my boss man went to get lunch. I've got my slaves working on it while I'm gone tho. Hopefully they don't lose anything while I'm not there. :D

[BABY J]

LOL. I want to buy some slaves... where do you get those? They could come in handy. :) Spec V is sold (it lives in Jacksonville now). And honestly I have not swapped in my new block due to lack of support here in Indy. There is a shop called Colletti Motorsports in Ohio that I went to to to retune the s200 after I did the OBD0 to OBD1 conversion. They have a lot of talent so it looks like that will be the place. But w/ no import scene here in Indianapolis I haven't been pressured to get the new block in the EF. :(

[99SI]

wah wah wah, all I hear is a bunch of whiny bullshit. Get your shit ready and bring it back to the GA so I can whup that ass. About the slaves, man I owe them everything, I could not have done it without them, I'll have to give them an extra dollar this week. :D

[Black R]

EF > * :P

[BABY J]

wah wah wah, all I hear is a bunch of whiny bullshit. Get your shit ready and bring it back to the GA so I can whup that ass. About the slaves, man I owe them everything, I could not have done it without them, I'll have to give them an extra dollar this week. :D

LOL. It's funny that you say that, b/c I will def not come home w/ the EF until I get the motor in and give Inline Pro their due. :) I do have a 100 shot wet on the EF now along w/ the other mods. I am just waiting to blow it --> in fact I can hear VERY slight knocking on the bottom end. But only if you use a "mechanics stethoscope" (a pry bar or stick placed on the block and then stick your ear up to it. LOL.

[99SI]

NEW PICS: I apologize once again for the size of the pictures. I wanted to get them loaded before I headed out to get loaded myself. Finally a day that things went right. I owe a ton to my help, two great guys that did much more than I did on the car. Hopefully the next pics up will be once everything is on the car and maybe a dyno graph to go with it! :D

[Hondasi]

go bak to oem bumper man

[99SI]

LOL, I could care less about what the car looks like on the outside. It's what's inside that counts. I bought the car with that bumper on it. It also had seventeen inch wheels and a custom system in it. Those were the first things to go for the lightest wheels I could afford and I completely ditched the sound system. I focused on the things important to me, Suspension, engine, LSD, brakes, etc. If it doesn't make it go faster I really could care less right now about spending money on it. It was kind of a toss up, hmm full omnipower coilovers or a new front bumper and paint. To me it was a no brainer.

[Black R]

.....if you really plan to autox, do your research on susp.

[BABY J]

^^ I don't think you know who u are talking to. LOL. He is not a n00b. he regularly does hillclimbs (both ways) and road course style runs. He has just been outta the game w/ the new build. Mike could post some pics of some turns that most people would be scared to WALK around - much less drive. :)

[Da_unknown]

black r does autoX too, i guess he is giving him some better options on suspension.

[BABY J]

Kool, kool.

[99SI]

I don't know everything, don't even try to. I wanted a bang for the buck coilover setup and I went with the omni's. The omni coilovers had big problems in the EF chassis with breaking which I am assuming you are referring to. The EK coilovers have not had any problems. I have a larger rear anti-roll bar. And I have a few other things in the works that I'm going to do with some friends. A little welding here and there, a few bars here and there. ;) I know Black R has a wealth of knowledge so anything he has to say I respect. I didn't get to formally meet you the other week at the meet but I was in the Lexus talking to Mike when you (black R) pulled up in your EF. Like I say, anything you have to pitch in give me a shout, I'm always down for learning. :thumbup:

[Black R]

^^ I don't think you know who u are talking to. LOL. He is not a n00b. he regularly does hillclimbs (both ways) and road course style runs. He has just been outta the game w/ the new build. Mike could post some pics of some turns that most people would be scared to WALK around - much less drive. :)


that's all relative. i've had people ride with me at deals gap and autox who physically got out of the car sick. *shrug* I've driven stupidly enough that I've even made myself sick!

but for autox and road course, you want some additional adjustability that the last set of omni's didn't have. the build is nice, but the dampening wasn't there on the shock dyno's.

and 99si, sorry i mistook you for someone else - i thought you were zshawn for some reason..... but i certainly wasn't being condescending. i'm sure the omni's are decent for 90% of the people on this board. but you'll most likely end up selling them and going for something better suited for competition in the future - that's the reasoning behind my statement. i'm sure mike can get you a good deal on them, and you won't lose any $, but there is wasted time to consider..... and the cornerweighting + alignment to do over again...

[USDM CTR]

if u sell ur omni lmk ill buy em asap

[99SI]

that's all relative. i've had people ride with me at deals gap and autox who physically got out of the car sick. *shrug* I've driven stupidly enough that I've even made myself sick!

but for autox and road course, you want some additional adjustability that the last set of omni's didn't have. the build is nice, but the dampening wasn't there on the shock dyno's.

and 99si, sorry i mistook you for someone else - i thought you were zshawn for some reason..... but i certainly wasn't being condescending. i'm sure the omni's are decent for 90% of the people on this board. but you'll most likely end up selling them and going for something better suited for competition in the future - that's the reasoning behind my statement. i'm sure mike can get you a good deal on them, and you won't lose any $, but there is wasted time to consider..... and the cornerweighting + alignment to do over again...
Yeah, I knew what you meant by the comment, that's why I was receptive. I agree with you completely. The lack of adjustability on the omni's was something I did not like, however, for the sake of the budget I made a concession. I figured the apparent quality and height adjustability of the omni's would be better than going with an AGX/spring combo or something of the sort. The next thing I plan to spend money on is a forged LCA, front and rear camber kits. I think they'll help and I have also been looking into the Korbach frame locks. I've never heard anyone who didn't completely love what they did as far as sharpening steering and handling. I've got some lovely mountain spots that we need to hit in northeast Alabama. I'll run in the back so I don't slow you up. ;) :tongue1:

[99SI]

I have forgotten to bring my camera but everything is in the car and it looks like I will be taking it up to Mainstream tonight to do the first crank up and a little AF tuning. Remember folks, fingers crossed. Once we got all the parts everything has gone a fairly smoothe. Other than the header not being AC compatible which I did not know before hand! lol. That was fun. I'm pulling all the AC this morning and putting the header on and on the dolly she goes. So if you see a blue Si on a dolly heading up I20 sometime this evening give me a honk! I'll update when there's any news.

[Halfwit]

GOOD LUCK MAN, its been a long time coming. best wishes.

[99SI]

Grassy ass amigo! Hopefully tonight I'll be on the road with it. Ran into a bit of problems with the Dolly.

[BABY J]

Man I am happy for you. Merry XMAS!!!!

[99SI]

I took the car up on our roll back last night. The car has been taken to Mainstream with just a few little things to be done and then initial start up and a little street tuning for A/F ratio. Good things happening finally!

[99SI]

well the engine has been fired. No knocks, no smoking. BUT, lol, it seems to only be running on 2 or 3 cylinders. I think there is a sensor that's gone bad or the distributor timing is off. There is fire and spark at all four so it's a step in the right direction. Now to figure out where the bad link is so we can get that heap back on the road.

[BABY J]

Check ECU... throwing code 08?

[Vteckidd]

i wish mike wouldnt update everyone on everyh little thing.

i looked at the car for MAYBE 20min tops. i had to fix a fuel leak, redo some of his wiring (dont plug the PS connector into the IAC :) ) and double check everything on the car . IE make sure it had oil, coolant, etc.

I turned the car over for about 1 min to get oil pressure. It then started up and ran really rough. It is getting spark and fuel, but it runs really lathargic.

i stopped there, its most likely a timing issue, ECU issue, or he mixed up the Map an TPS sensors.

when i get more time i will look at it. but it ran

[99SI]

I am happy as a pig in shit that it runs and doesn't knock or smoke. I didn't expect it to crank up and be ready to autox! I'm confident in Mike and Mainstream's abilities to track down the culprit of the lethargy in the motor. It was more than likely something that I did in installing the damn thing! It won't be long til it's carving apexes and getting time slips!

[JRDman]

this car wouldnt happen to be sitting at Assist right now would it? i stopped by scotts saturday night and saw a blue Si with work done by mainstream and it took a crap on the dyno. so he was fixing it

-CJ

[Vteckidd]

nope car is at mainstream.

what SI took a crap on the dyno? none that i know of

[BABY J]

this car wouldnt happen to be sitting at Assist right now would it? i stopped by scotts saturday night and saw a blue Si with work done by mainstream and it took a crap on the dyno. so he was fixing it

-CJ

Man -- this post was a one that shouldn't have been made. If so - a PM would have been a better choice. We got people getting their shit lifted outta their DRIVEWAYS w/ no location advertising. Please be more conscious when you post on a public forum where an enthusiasts project may be located. Furthermore, please do not spread shop rumors (negative or positive) unless you are 100% in the know - shops depend on their reputation.

[JRDman]

baby J, I was askin a question..... nuff said. and i wasnt dissing any shop. shit blows up, shit breaks, thats just a part of the game when cars start getting work done to it but who ever owned that car decided he wanted to take it to scott and not back to somewhere else.

if you have a problem with what i said , not trying to ruffle your feathers but dont read my post!

have a good one!
CJ

[BABY J]

^^ You're still missing the point. What if it's MY car sitting at Assist/Scott's/K-Mart/Chuck-E-Cheese?? Now 10,000 people know that when they really do not need to. 3 people out of every1 know on here knows where my cars sleep at night... and I like it that way. That's all - my feathers aren't ruffled homey... that was just a lil something I decided to put on your plate - you can choose to eat it or not. Also - there is no shop in ATL that is self-sustaining and can operate in a bubble. What does that mean? That means your Mainstream build can have head work by another shop, and machining by another shop - shops network with other specialists man. So --> to see a MSPI project at another shop is nothing "strange" or is not neccessarily a case of "MSPI fucked up, but Bob over here is 'fixing' it." Sometimes Bob is "fixing" his own mistakes due to the fact that initial work was entrusted to him to begin with. ;) There is a lot you probably aren't aware of in this game. Sorry for the thread-jack Mike and Mike. Back on topic.

[Vteckidd]

well since i VIVIDLY remember ANY car that has ever blown up on our dyno (only 3 in the last 2 years) i was interested to kow who it was. Especially since none of the cars were BLUE SIs.

[PEST]

very good build thread......
ur car is coming along nicely

[99SI]

Thanks although it has kind of hit a bit of a standstill. Mike (Mr. Kidd) is working on it as often as he can but due to illness, dyno days, holidays, etc. it has been a tough road. Patience is definately a virtue and I thank my lucky stars that I have a car lot and do not have a problem with something to drive during my down time. I am desperately looking forward to getting behind the wheel of my car, it's been a long time coming. I just thank Mike and the other folks at Mainstream for their awesome work and their help in this thing, it's been a headache for everyone. Those guys are what keep me going forward with my car, without them I'd probably be driving a Lexus GS300 or something that was bone stock! (although right about now that doesn't sound so bad! :P )

[Vteckidd]

GS300 with a 2jz swap FTW

[BABY J]

Weak - I'm thinking Gs300 w/ a D16 swap and AWD conversion.

[JRDman]

All i was told was it was done and mainstream was in that same sentence... you can take that with a grain of salt. i know some more info on the car itself but since mr. baby got a little verbal and expressed how he felt ill stay hush hush about it.

but best of luck with the build man!

-CJ

[Vteckidd]

PM me about it

[BABY J]

PM me about it

Imagine that - a PM. AMAZING! How hard is it to repsect some1s project than to post up probable locations of one of the most stolen vehicles in America. Maybe since YOU said to PM you he will get it, since he is not listening to me. LOL. Sheesh - some people.

[JRDman]

well I was just stating what i heard. theres no reason to take anything further than this in my opinion because its just a blow up motor.... whupty do really.

best of luck to ya'll with your builds
-CJ

[ranj]

can't we get along?

[99SI]

If all goes well I'll have a baseline tune to get it out on the streets running smooth. Looking for about an hour to basically A/F tune and idle maps going. I'm keeping fingers, toes, anything else i can find crossed that it's finally getting there. The car is running smoothe it's just very rich on cold start and doesn't like to start in the cold. I need an IACV and then tuning. Here we go!

[99SI]

It made 145whp and 112 lb/ft last night......





on the low cam! :D

[BABY J]

ass

[scttydb411]

It made 145whp and 112 lb/ft last night......





on the low cam! :D

not reving it out too, don't forget.

[BABY J]

REV THAT MOFO BITCHES!!!

[99SI]

We also found out that the reason it kept wanting to idle high is that a vaccum hose blew off the back of the IM. There were two vaccum ports completely open. So the low cam numbers probably should be over 150 and that's just taking it to where vtec comes in. I picked the car up tonight and enjoyed driving it home. I have to get a donut gasket for the exhaust so right now it is pretty loud with the massive exhaust leak! :D I can't wait to get it back up and tune for full throttle with vtec and see what she has.

[Vteckidd]

glad you made it home.

yeah its pretty TQey for no vtec.

Once you get that donut gasket, and get the time to have us really tune it, im interested to see what she will make.

i feel good with 145whp with only about 15min of WOT tuning. I think we can get 150whp easily on low cam, an be in the 180-190whp range with VTEC.

thatll make for one of the highest OEM motors i have ever seen locally. my original motor that made 187whp 3 years ago i think is the highest OEM motor besides BLACK Rs 192whp ITR motor.

[EmminoDaGreat]

its cause your so gangsta

[Vteckidd]

nah, if it wasnt for you it wouldnt even be running :)

[BABY J]

NICE!!! :) Good stuff. Vacuum is overrated. Tee all of those bitches off. LOL. j/k...



..



..


kinda.

LOL

[99SI]

Got the exhaust done at a local muffler shop that I use. We just put in the spring loaded bolts instead of the flex pipe so we'll see how that goes. It sounds mean, I think it's louder with the exhaust leak fixed. Hopefully in the next week or so we can finish getting it tuned.

[BABY J]

tease

[99SI]

It will definately be much faster than the old setup. I can tell that just from the way it comes out of the hole on the low cam right now. I'm excited at the prospects. I'm about ready to go ahead and change out the oil pump tho, it's been 250 miles! :D Maybe I'll give it another 20k or so, who knows.

[BABY J]

OIL PSI GAUGE SON!! Should be a part of a balanced Honda's breakfast. Break down and get the setup I have on my EF:

NOS PSI (u want it - I know u do - get it!! get it!!!)
OIL PSI
A/F

[Vteckidd]

yeah i would invest in an OIL PSI gauge.

with this motor we will keep the revs under 9000 so the oil pump hould last longer than the last motor.

but still, at 50k miles, 10,000 rpms aint abd for oil pump life

[KevinT707]

yeah i would invest in an OIL PSI gauge.

with this motor we will keep the revs under 9000 so the oil pump hould last longer than the last motor.

but still, at 50k miles, 10,000 rpms aint abd for oil pump life
I've been thinking about getting gauges next, including the OIL PSI. What PSI does oil range at on a normal basis & what bad PSI for your oil?

Also, what oil pump am I running & should I be worried? Cause I'd hate to see my motor go down like 99Si

Thx

[Vteckidd]

oil pressure depends on what your engine temp is

at cold startup, some motors see 40-50lbs

by operating temp, oil pressure should be between 15-30psi depending. VTEC needs 60psi of oil pressure to operate

anything under 10psi is bad, especially under WOT conditions. you obviouly want the most oil pressure in the higher rpms to keep from having your bottom end starving for oil. cavitation is the #1 reason for spun bearings.

i cant stress this enough, 99SIs OLD motor saw 50,000 miles of HARD ABUSE. he revved it to 9500+rpms sometimes 10,000 rpms. He had a VTEC ITR oil pump (same as GSR) and it failed after 50k miles.

the higher you spin the motor, the more MOVING parts fail. Moving parts include: distributors, alternators, oil pumps, rods (rod bolt failure/stretch).

Kevin you should be fine because you dont spin your motor high all the time. but i would reccomend swapping oil pumps every 30-40k miles on a motor seeing more than 9000rpms

[BABY J]

Kevin - if u are spraying as heavily as I am (100 shot) then oil TEMP is prolly just as important. I never knew how quickly temp rises on the gas... all I thought was "reduce timing, colder plugs and spray the shit out of it." Grab an oil temp gauge and watch what happens the next time MSPI straps u down to tune on the bottle. Temps rise FAST (even on a synthetic - I run RP), even if you are not spinning to eleventy billion. It's ALSO amazing at how fast temps normalize after you let the motor idle off the gas. I have been learning so much shit lately it's crazy. A little here, a little there - PMing Mike Jawnz all the time and few other smart people that I know. The more I learn, the more I realize I don't wanna learn SHIT unless it has to do w/ my setup - LOL. Too much to know!! HA HA.

[99SI]

I may go buy a cheap autometer oil pressure gauge at summit. I can install it in the big gigantic hole where my radio used to be. :D I think my car is louder through the exhaust than it was with the damn exhaust leak! wow. The tone of the exhaust is much deeper than the B16 was as well. My was whistling today while I was driving and there was a vibration to the whistle b/c of the exhaust! I have been having to use hand signals out the window to indicate a right or left turn b/c my blinkers do not work. lol. I think I have that figured out now. It's just nice driving ol' blue again, after driving Cadillac's and Lincolns that float down the road I forgot how it felt to actually feel every pebble in the road through the suspension!

[99SI]

Kevin - if u are spraying as heavily as I am (100 shot) then oil TEMP is prolly just as important. I never knew how quickly temp rises on the gas... all I thought was "reduce timing, colder plugs and spray the shit out of it." Grab an oil temp gauge and watch what happens the next time MSPI straps u down to tune on the bottle. Temps rise FAST (even on a synthetic - I run RP), even if you are not spinning to eleventy billion. It's ALSO amazing at how fast temps normalize after you let the motor idle off the gas. I have been learning so much shit lately it's crazy. A little here, a little there - PMing Mike Jawnz all the time and few other smart people that I know. The more I learn, the more I realize I don't wanna learn SHIT unless it has to do w/ my setup - LOL. Too much to know!! HA HA.

I tried to call your ass the other day and you done changed numbers up in Indy. Give me a shout. You should still have my number. If you don't PM me with yours.

[BABY J]

Here is my setup - I got them all from Arrowspeed excpept for the pod, I got from Summitt. I will post pics when the bottom of the sky closes up - holy mother of God the rain here. Here are the ATM part #s (all are 2 1/16th) or 52mm. I got the short sweep elec.


ATM22401 - triple gauge pillar
ATM3327 - OIL PSI
ATM3374 - NOS PSI (expensive Kevin, but kool ass gauge)
ATM3375 - AF (make sure you get 1 for NB or wideband, they are not interchangeable - I found out the hard way)


99SI - I will give you a call tonight. Yeah I got an Indy number now :(

[KevinT707]

Kevin - if u are spraying as heavily as I am (100 shot) then oil TEMP is prolly just as important. I never knew how quickly temp rises on the gas... all I thought was "reduce timing, colder plugs and spray the shit out of it." Grab an oil temp gauge and watch what happens the next time MSPI straps u down to tune on the bottle. Temps rise FAST (even on a synthetic - I run RP)
I'm not spraying heavily (55 shot), barely enough to even need colder plugs & pull timing ;) . Yea I like the idea of having a nitrous gauge (52mm) but its just too expensive plus I have one on the bottle already anyway. So what temperature range does your oil temp go to, from idle (warm) to running it hard on motor, then spray. I remember reading that 310 degrees is about max you want your oil to get.. correct me if I'm wrong.

[BABY J]

I dunno about max for RP oil - I'd guess that RP can take more of a beating than conventional oil.

Where YOUR normal operating oil temp is depends on how cool you have the motor running. With/ respect for power production, the VERY BASIC function that A/F ratios do (to a TRUE engine builder) is temperature control. Basically, "how cool do you want to motor to run - which is almost directly proportional to how LONG do you want the motor to last" (that's a direct quote from Jim Stewart through a conversation w/ him I had at his shop when I 1st got here)? I have seen as high as 50 degree temp spike on the 100 shot (doesn't sound like much but that's a lot for a 10 sec burst of spray man). The weird thing to me is that less than a minute later it's back to normal. But I'd bet that a "basic" off the shelf motor oil will heat faster, but cool slower than the RP. So it can get dangerous pretty quickly when you are playing a lot. I am not gonna test that theory on my block though - you try.

The more I play w/ spray, the more I learn about shit that people do not even consider (outside of timing and plugs), or just never told me about.

PS: a 55 shot is enuff to warrant timing/plug changes man. Whoever told you that it's not lied.:yes:

[loneSTAR]

kinda not related, but....
With the RAGE header, does it hang low like a standard 4-2-1? Or does it sit closer to the oil pan. Reason being, I am interestd in getting one, but my car is pretty low and do not intend to raise it.
Sorry for whoring it up, but don't know anyone else with the header!

[BABY J]

^^ What engine/chassis combination? And what springs? And what size wheels/tires?

[loneSTAR]

EG
B17
ground controls with koni's
16" with 205/40's

Used to have a Bisi on my old DC, but i can't seem to get them on the phone and they have nothing in stock

[99SI]

EG
B17
ground controls with koni's
16" with 205/40's

Used to have a Bisi on my old DC, but i can't seem to get them on the phone and they have nothing in stock
My header is not a rage header but it is pretty similar, SMSP design. Mine tucks up much closer to the car than my DC 4-1 which hangs very low. On my car the oil pan would be in more trouble of hitting the ground than the manifold. But I think the Rage and my header may have enough difference to make the comparison not mean much. BTW, my shit is on the dyno right now for final tuning. :tongue1:

[BABY J]

I wish we had live webcasting of MSPi dyno sessions!!

[99SI]

no shit, me 2. I am antsy as hell waiting to hear. I have consciously made myself not call, pm, or AIM. I'll wait to hear.

[Vteckidd]

made ok numbers. im happy with it, i think charles said it was 172/112

no quite the 180 i wanted but oh well. I think he needs to switch cams, as i have never gotten the numbers i wanted out of these particular M22s.

Not bad for an OEM block with a stock ported head. I was shooting for 180, we are about 8whp off, so im gonna try to procure a set of PRO1s to see if i can get to that number.

his b16 made more power LOL. but this one has more TQ an a fater midrange. somehing is rong cause it makes power to 8500, so there is def a restriction somewhere.

ive never seen a 1.8l make power that high, and have such low peak hp an tq

[BABY J]

Is it broken in? Maybe after 800 - 1000 miles strap down again.

[Vteckidd]

yeah hes got 800 miles on it. I wasnt there when they tuned it, but id like to see the a/f chart.

Hes making about the same numbers my old motor did (my first OEM GSR). i was hopinh to get lucky and make more, but apparently not LOL.

he should still enjoy it, im anxious to test another set of camshafts.

[BABY J]

Well if u wanna build a stroker B16 that's my next project. Cash/block in hand - LMK. I'd like to see what u guys can come up with. MSP can do everything except the head.

[99SI]

I was a bit disappointed in the final numbers, however, after thinking about it the difference in the power band will make the car much quicker than it was before. Hitting the same horsepower 1,000 rpm sooner will make for a much quicker time getting back to peak horsepower after shifts, especially with my gearing. As Mike said, he wasn't there. I believe the tuning was mainly done to get to an A/F range and maybe some ignition timing. The cam gears are at 0,0 so there is still some power left to pull out from playing with cam timing. I think with a little more overlap, exhaust maybe retarded 2 deg. there will be some more power in it. I am just thankful to have a car that is performing well and can be driven all out. With the lower RPM range this motor should be much more reliable and have a much longer life span. Thanks again go to Scotty @ digitalboxtuning, Charles, Mike and the rest of the mainstream crew, without them none of this would be possible at all.

[Black R]

don't be too disappointed with the numbers..... that's all they are.

does the car run well? pull hard? smooth pull from 1000-9000rpm's? Then that's what matters. Peak numbers are just that - it's the area under the curve and the shapes of the curves that's important. :thumbup:

I've been on the long, hard allmotor road for sometime, and let me tell you there are many bumps along the way!

[99SI]

I appreciate the kind words. I agree peak numbers are nice, and to be truthful the main reason I wanted to see some high numbers was to be able to brag for mainstream. I don't care myself about the high numbers, as long as the car has a fat powerband and pulls hard within the rev range. I expected higher, because of the changes we made to the new motor. I hope to pick it up tonight and be able to really see how it runs. I do believe it will be a much quicker car even with the same hp numbers as before.

[boosted_nonv]

nice, good liuck with the new build:goodjob:

[scttydb411]

the powerband is much better across. i laid out the best run on the last motor vs. the current and the powerband looks much better even though the peak # isn't what was expected.

i think you'll enjoy it and you won't have to rev it out as much as before to get your power.