The truth of 9/11

[nissans13]

Please watch this video. Copy and paste it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

[man]

lol, dumb

oh yeah, and REPOST

[GsrTurbo320]

damn noob

[fight club]

i hate dumbasses trying to be political, as this wonderful conspiracy theory.
still a good watch,.

[HyPer50]

won't even waste my time trying to understand your conspiracy theorist bullshit point of view.

[Ryno]

OMG, this video is posted every fucking week. I have been talking to Dylan Avery who made this video and on my PC I have hundreds of interviews and articles on the 9/11 attacks that I have gathered over the past 6 months. Alot stuff which will blow your mind but it's a free country and we have the right to believe what we want. I just don't understand why everyone believes and trusts the Bush administation and the media (conservative and liberal). I could go on forever about this.......

[Hulud]

OMG, this video is posted every fucking week. I have been talking to Dylan Avery who made this video and on my PC I have hundreds of interviews and articles on the 9/11 attacks that I have gathered over the past 6 months. Alot stuff which will blow your mind but it's a free country and we have the right to believe what we want. I just don't understand why everyone believes and trusts the Bush administation and the media (conservative and liberal). I could go on forever about this.......
c'mon ryno you should know better, remember we are in the bible belt.....

[HyPer50]

OMG, this video is posted every fucking week. I have been talking to Dylan Avery who made this video and on my PC I have hundreds of interviews and articles on the 9/11 attacks that I have gathered over the past 6 months. Alot stuff which will blow your mind but it's a free country and we have the right to believe what we want. I just don't understand why everyone believes and trusts the Bush administation and the media (conservative and liberal). I could go on forever about this.......

My beliefs have nothing to do with the media. It's just a moral thing for me... I simply cannot comprehend that our government would take any part in a scenario that kills so many innocent americans for whatever profit. Thats all it is for me. Bush may not be the brightest president we've had, but he's not evil.

[Hulud]

My beliefs have nothing to do with the media. It's just a moral thing for me... I simply cannot comprehend that our government would take any part in a scenario that kills so many innocent americans for whatever profit.
why? cause bush could NEVER be as evil as stalin, or hitler?

Thats all it is for me. Bush may not be the brightest president we've had, but he's not evil.
since you know him personally and all :rolleyes:

[fight club]

i just watched it and i have to say it makes me think
but thats it. good video. i retract my dumbass comment, i figured it was like the typical dumbass vids ive been seeing.

[HyPer50]

why? cause bush could NEVER be as evil as stalin, or hitler?

since you know him personally and all :rolleyes:

Like I said, it's a moral thing. I dont know him personally, no shit. Go ahead and believe whatever your twisted little hateful mind wants.. It's cool. But I try and atleast believe that our government isn't an evil system... Sure they aren't the most moral/honest folks, but straight out murdering thousands of our own people for some gain? nahh... i'm gonna need more than some video made by a fat biased one sided bastard (Moore) or some kid made in his free time.

[Hulud]

Like I said, it's a moral thing. I dont know him personally, no shit. Go ahead and believe whatever your twisted little hateful mind wants.. It's cool.
twisted? hahahaha why? because i know how government can be?

But I try and atleast believe that our government isn't an evil system... Sure they aren't the most moral/honest folks, but straight out murdering thousands of our own people for some gain? nahh... i'm gonna need more than some video made by a fat biased one sided bastard (Moore) or some kid made in his free time.
what makes our government so much more trustful than any other?

and yea tehy video by moore was fun to watch but did nothing to sway my thinking at all, it was pure propaganda. but i did love the part when bush found out about the 9/11 attacks how he just sat there lololol

[HyPer50]

what makes our government so much more trustful than any other?

The fact that it's the government of the country I live in, and plan to always live in (i.e. I dont have a problem with this country) so yes, I'd be more willing to trust my countries government, than I would be willing to trust, Al qaeda, communists, dictators, france, whatever else. Nobody (aside from those that are guilty) know who's really right or wrong, it's just what I believe.

[Hulud]

The fact that it's the government of the country I live in, and plan to always live in (i.e. I dont have a problem with this country) so yes, I'd be more willing to trust my countries government, than I would be willing to trust, Al qaeda, communists, dictators, france, whatever else. Nobody (aside from those that are guilty) know who's really right or wrong, it's just what I believe.
that still makes no sense, so what your saying is that if you were born and lived in communist cuba you would say their govt is the best because you live there.


all i am saying is that the government does NOT always act in the best moral statures that the people seem to believe they do

[HyPer50]

all i am saying is that the government does NOT always act in the best moral statures that the people seem to believe they do

I already admitted that they aren't the most moral folks... but being a bit dishonest and greedy isn't the same thing as killing thousands of innocent people.

As for the whole "being born in cuba" part... hell if I know how I'd be if I was born in a communist country, but luckily I was born in the US.

[Hulud]

I already admitted that they aren't the most moral folks... but being a bit dishonest and greedy isn't the same thing as killing thousands of innocent people.

how so? iraq which we have no reason (based on the 9/11 reason) to be in a war with, we are in a war with for oil plain and simple

[HyPer50]

how so? iraq which we have no reason (based on the 9/11 reason) to be in a war with, we are in a war with for oil plain and simple

what are you asking how so to? in reference to them killing 1000's of innocent people?

I'm for the war in Iraq (i'm sure you could of guessed that by now...), ya, so the country has alot of oil.. they also had a dictator who is notorious for genocide, who has threatened many countries, and who should of been taken out in the first war with Iraq. There are PLENTY of reasons for the war in Iraq, the oil thing is just nice side benefit. Now if we just ran into Canada and attacked a decent, neutral, unthreatening country for there... pork, or lumber or whatever there main export is, that'd be different, but Iraq is not a decent, neutral, unthreatening country.

[Hulud]

what are you asking how so to? in reference to them killing 1000's of innocent people?

I'm for the war in Iraq (i'm sure you could of guessed that by now...), ya, so the country has alot of oil.. they also had a dictator who is notorious for genocide, who has threatened many countries, and who should of been taken out in the first war with Iraq. There are PLENTY of reasons for the war in Iraq, the oil thing is just nice side benefit. Now if we just ran into Canada and attacked a decent, neutral, unthreatening country for there... pork, or lumber or whatever there main export is, that'd be different, but Iraq is not a decent, neutral, unthreatening country.
how does iraq threaten us? they werent even a sovriegn country at the time of the attack. they did not harbor terrorists they did not have weapons of mass destruction, those were the reasons for attacking iraq.

yes he was a terrible person/leader, but how is it our responsibility to "police" the world? what if china thought bush was a terrible leader, then they attack us and control what we do? how would you feel?


and the oil was WAY MORE than just a side benefit, did you ever think about how much oil companies run the U.S.?

[HyPer50]

how does iraq threaten us? they werent even a sovriegn country at the time of the attack. they did not harbor terrorists they did not have weapons of mass destruction, those were the reasons for attacking iraq.

yes he was a terrible person/leader, but how is it our responsibility to "police" the world? what if china thought bush was a terrible leader, then they attack us and control what we do? how would you feel?


and the oil was WAY MORE than just a side benefit, did you ever think about how much oil companies run the U.S.?

I know that oil companies have a huge influence in our government, thats nothing new. All I'm saying is there were other reasons behind the war other than just financial gain. Anyways man, I know we disagree on ALOT of subjects (religion, government, barry bonds lol) and thats all good, I'm not trying to change your mind, just like you won't change mine. I'm just saying what I think/believe, certainly doesn't make it fact or THE truth, it's just my opinion.

[Hulud]

I know that oil companies have a huge influence in our government, thats nothing new. All I'm saying is there were other reasons behind the war other than just financial gain. Anyways man, I know we disagree on ALOT of subjects (religion, government, barry bonds lol) and thats all good, I'm not trying to change your mind, just like you won't change mine. I'm just saying what I think/believe, certainly doesn't make it fact or THE truth, it's just my opinion.
i agree with you 100% on this comment (especially the barry bonds comment lol) hahahahahahahhaahaha


it doesnt change the fact if i ever meet you, even though we have completely different view i still have an open mind when meeting people

[Stormhammer]

just to jump in on this one but someone posted this shit on another forum

The fact is these two World Trade Towers fell in less than ten seconds. If you apply Newton's laws and the force of gravity of 32.2ft/sec^2, it would take a golf ball 9.2 seconds to fall the 104 stories from the top of a Trade Tower to the ground (assuming it was falling in a vacuum). For the towers to collapse in 10 seconds or less as they did, they would have to be subject to demolition charges. Survivors of the tower's collapse claim that they heard explosions all over the place 40 and 50 floors below the impact of the planes. Slow motion of the film of the tower's fall shows charges exploding every 10 stories ahead of the collapse. The 10-second fall times are verified by both film and seismic measurements from Columbia University.

My grandfather McKeon used to say stay out of the military, "it's always a rich man's war and a poor man's fight." He is right. Consider these facts:

*The World Trade Towers were known to store gold bullion in the lower floors
underground. Estimates put the stash value at 100-150 billion US. All that was found when they cleared the rubble was approximately $200 million in gold.

*The new owner of the three WTC buildings that collapsed in the attack bought the buildings in June, 2001 and placed a $3.5 billion insurance policy on each of them for terrorist attack. US courts later awarded him 2.2 billion.

*Hot, molten iron was found in the basement levels of the trade towers 5 weeks after they fell. You may think that would be explained by the fires from the jet fuel. However, hot, molten iron was also found in the bottom of the rubble from WTC building 7 as well. That was the 47-story building (same owner as the WTC Towers) that was 300 feet way that also fell, but it not have jet fuel in it.



The US military blew up the trade towers. They also launched a cruise missile at the Pentagon. There was no jet plane that crashed and no evidence of one afterwards at the Pentagon damage sight. The two 6-ton jet engines from the supposed Boeing 757 were never found in the wreckage of the Pentagon and the government wants us to believe that these steel and titanium engines were "vaporized" in the fire. That just doesn't happen. I am not sure how you could "vaporize" titanium jet engines. Even at the epicenter of a nuclear blast they wouldn't vaporize. Melt maybe, but that would be it.



"Remember the Maine." In February 1898, the USS Maine was blown up in Havana Harbor dragging the US into war with Spain. The sinking of the Lusitania on May 7, 1915 dragged the US into World War One despite overwhelming opposition by the American people. The USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy were attacked by Vietnam forces in the Golf of Tonkin dragging the US into a war with North Vietnam. In every one of these
acts, it was found that duplicity was involved. The Maine did not hit a mine.
Evidence has now shown that the boiler was sabotaged and exploded. The Lusitania was sunk only after repeated warnings from the German government. The ship was deliberately sent into harm's way and was in fact smuggling armaments (recently found in a search of the wreckage). The Golf of Tonkin incident was a set up from the start with the US forces clearly crossing into Vietnamese territory. All of these events were used to justify war.



The only attack on US forces since the American Civil War that has proven to be authentic was the bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japan. Contrary to speculation, President Roosevelt did not know about the sneak attack until after the event. Howerver, this attack again dragged the US into war. US involvement in World War Two once again came in spite of overwhelming American opposition to it and a promise by Roosevelt not to send American boys into any foreign wars (a pre-election promise).



So, they have done it to us again. The question is why? The answer of course is oil. The money holders of the US knows that America has to control the world's oil. We need direct control of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait in order to control the world's oil reserves. We already control three of the four. Iran is next on the list so get ready. Don't be surprised if we have another "terrorist" attack on US soil or on US forces traced back to Iran this time.



One last fact of interest, nine of the supposedly 19 hijackers that launched the 9/11 terrorist attacks have been found to be alive and well and living in the Middle East. I would be willing to bet that all the supposed attackers are still alive and well. Just like the plane (flight 93) that supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania during the 9/11 attack has been found in one piece. I suspect that most of the governments of the major countries of the world now know that the WTC attacks were faked which is why they are opposing US interests at every turn. I sadly think that many people
in Washington including both Republicans and Democrats know this as well and are perpetrating the lie. Money is behind it all. It is again a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.


just remmeber - I didnt write that shit lol

[nissans13]

Sorry about the repost guys but it seemed interesting to watch to me. It still hasn't made me take a side but good to know.

[ShooterMcGavin]

and the oil was WAY MORE than just a side benefit, did you ever think about how much oil companies run the U.S.?
i'm gonna have to disagree with this one, went to a transportation conference just 6 months ago where a professor at Univ of Houston (who's also a world renowned crude oil expert) pretty much flat out said that ALL of iraq's oil combined is but a tiny dent in how much this war has cost.

[Stormhammer]

i'm gonna have to disagree with this one, went to a transportation conference just 6 months ago where a professor at Univ of Houston (who's also a world renowned crude oil expert) pretty much flat out said that ALL of iraq's oil combined is but a tiny dent in how much this war has cost.


thats where it just becomes a he said she said bullshit stuff

unless he had actual documented proof, I hold doubts on everything ( and I mean everything, I like solid proof before making my own conclusions )

[Hulud]

thats where it just becomes a he said she said bullshit stuff

unless he had actual documented proof, I hold doubts on everything ( and I mean everything, I like solid proof before making my own conclusions )
:stupid:

[AE86 Dorifto]

That could be true......... OR some terrorists under the command of Osama bin Laden could have crashed some planes into the towers.

[Xan]

Planning an attack on scale with 9/11 takes time. Bush and his administration didn't have it IMO.

[aaronfelipe]

damn noob
FTW

[HiPSI]

i'm gonna have to disagree with this one, went to a transportation conference just 6 months ago where a professor at Univ of Houston (who's also a world renowned crude oil expert) pretty much flat out said that ALL of iraq's oil combined is but a tiny dent in how much this war has cost.


every man has his price.... anyone can be called an expert at anything, doesn't always mean they're right.

a lot of the video makes sense when you look into it. i vividly remember seeing the "wreckage" both at the pentagon and at the spot in Penn. and wondering where everything went. i could recreate the Penn. site with a dozer and some scrap metal from a junk yard. there were no discernable pieces to be seen and a plane of that size doesn't just shatter into a billion tiny pieces and disappear into the wind.

as for the buildings collapsing, again the video shows the evidence that there were demo charges going off. the camera placed on the building near the towers shakes before the building even begins to move and you hear the explosion just the same. light moves faster than sound, so the sound wasn't coming from the building as it collapsed. with the way the one plane hit on the corner of the building it likely would have toppled over to the side, but somehow the building managed to fall straight down just like a controlled demolition.

i'd rather not believe that it's possible for our government to do such a thing, but at the same time when people convince themselves it's "for the greater good" then a lot of bad things can be done with that excuse.

[NEONRACER]

Look at history and you will see the future. It always has and always will repeat itself. Either let things happen or do something about it, make your choice.

[NEONRACER]

Planning an attack on scale with 9/11 takes time. Bush and his administration didn't have it IMO.


Do you really think something like this only involves this administration?

[Ryno]

I doubt we will ever know who was behind the 9/11 attacks. I have even heard some bogus stories that not only Bush was behind it but also Clinton and Kerry. One fact is that the Bushes and the Clintons have been on vacations together several times since 9/11/01 and never before then. Makes you wonder......

As far as the 9/11 attacks on WTC, somebody please try to explain why WTC 7 fell? It wasn't hit by a plane, gov't says that burning debris from the twin towers caused it to catch on fire and collapse. :jerkit:

[ShooterMcGavin]

all kinds of interesting questions raised by that video, we'll probably never find out though...

[AE86 Dorifto]

Remember the attack Osama bin Laden made on the towers back in the 90's? Well guess who WASN'T the president then. NOT GEORGE BUSH. Guess who was. BILL CLINTON WAS. Are you saying that George Bush planned that too? If so, for what purpose?:confused:

[HiPSI]

Remember the attack Osama bin Laden made on the towers back in the 90's? Well guess who WASN'T the president then. NOT GEORGE BUSH. Guess who was. BILL CLINTON WAS. Are you saying that George Bush planned that too? If so, for what purpose?:confused:


no, but it sure gave them a great scapegoat for this charade didn't it?

[ShooterMcGavin]

^^^:lmfao: i can just see one of gw's many dumbass faces as he stands accused of helping to conspire in the 9/11 attacks

[JustinSane110™]

no, but it sure gave them a great scapegoat for this charade didn't it?
Haha, I've wondered for a long time if Bin Laden really even had anything to do with it. I mean it would be pretty convenient for him to see it happen and decide... "Hey, I should take credit for that!" I just wanna know why it's taking so long for them to find his ass, hell if they can find Sadaam in a fuckin hole why cant they find an 8 ft tall dude with a damn entourage thats sending out video feeds. Unless they're stalling until they can secure the oil, then "conveniently" catch him about that same time to "justify" the reason for the war.

[JustinSane110™]

^^^:lmfao: i can just see one of gw's many dumbass faces as he stands accused of helping to conspire in the 9/11 attacks
:lmfao: :lmfao: Hmmm, which one?
http://johnbatchelorshow.com/admin/allsource/exampleimages/george%20w%20bush.jpg
http://www.laughatliberals.com/images/george_w_bush.jpg
http://schema-root.org/region/americas/north_america/usa/government/politicians/presidents/george_w._bush/george_w._bush_saw.jpg

[Scgrandprix]

the reason no one believes conspiracy theorist's is because most of the people that are conspiracy theorists are paranoid they think the government is everywhere watching them and so thats why no one lissens to anything u dumbasses have to say.

[Scgrandprix]

just to jump in on this one but someone posted this shit on another forum

The fact is these two World Trade Towers fell in less than ten seconds. If you apply Newton's laws and the force of gravity of 32.2ft/sec^2, it would take a golf ball 9.2 seconds to fall the 104 stories from the top of a Trade Tower to the ground (assuming it was falling in a vacuum). For the towers to collapse in 10 seconds or less as they did, they would have to be subject to demolition charges. Survivors of the tower's collapse claim that they heard explosions all over the place 40 and 50 floors below the impact of the planes. Slow motion of the film of the tower's fall shows charges exploding every 10 stories ahead of the collapse. The 10-second fall times are verified by both film and seismic measurements from Columbia University.

My grandfather McKeon used to say stay out of the military, "it's always a rich man's war and a poor man's fight." He is right. Consider these facts:

*The World Trade Towers were known to store gold bullion in the lower floors
underground. Estimates put the stash value at 100-150 billion US. All that was found when they cleared the rubble was approximately $200 million in gold.

*The new owner of the three WTC buildings that collapsed in the attack bought the buildings in June, 2001 and placed a $3.5 billion insurance policy on each of them for terrorist attack. US courts later awarded him 2.2 billion.

*Hot, molten iron was found in the basement levels of the trade towers 5 weeks after they fell. You may think that would be explained by the fires from the jet fuel. However, hot, molten iron was also found in the bottom of the rubble from WTC building 7 as well. That was the 47-story building (same owner as the WTC Towers) that was 300 feet way that also fell, but it not have jet fuel in it.



The US military blew up the trade towers. They also launched a cruise missile at the Pentagon. There was no jet plane that crashed and no evidence of one afterwards at the Pentagon damage sight. The two 6-ton jet engines from the supposed Boeing 757 were never found in the wreckage of the Pentagon and the government wants us to believe that these steel and titanium engines were "vaporized" in the fire. That just doesn't happen. I am not sure how you could "vaporize" titanium jet engines. Even at the epicenter of a nuclear blast they wouldn't vaporize. Melt maybe, but that would be it.



"Remember the Maine." In February 1898, the USS Maine was blown up in Havana Harbor dragging the US into war with Spain. The sinking of the Lusitania on May 7, 1915 dragged the US into World War One despite overwhelming opposition by the American people. The USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy were attacked by Vietnam forces in the Golf of Tonkin dragging the US into a war with North Vietnam. In every one of these
acts, it was found that duplicity was involved. The Maine did not hit a mine.
Evidence has now shown that the boiler was sabotaged and exploded. The Lusitania was sunk only after repeated warnings from the German government. The ship was deliberately sent into harm's way and was in fact smuggling armaments (recently found in a search of the wreckage). The Golf of Tonkin incident was a set up from the start with the US forces clearly crossing into Vietnamese territory. All of these events were used to justify war.



The only attack on US forces since the American Civil War that has proven to be authentic was the bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japan. Contrary to speculation, President Roosevelt did not know about the sneak attack until after the event. Howerver, this attack again dragged the US into war. US involvement in World War Two once again came in spite of overwhelming American opposition to it and a promise by Roosevelt not to send American boys into any foreign wars (a pre-election promise).



So, they have done it to us again. The question is why? The answer of course is oil. The money holders of the US knows that America has to control the world's oil. We need direct control of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait in order to control the world's oil reserves. We already control three of the four. Iran is next on the list so get ready. Don't be surprised if we have another "terrorist" attack on US soil or on US forces traced back to Iran this time.



One last fact of interest, nine of the supposedly 19 hijackers that launched the 9/11 terrorist attacks have been found to be alive and well and living in the Middle East. I would be willing to bet that all the supposed attackers are still alive and well. Just like the plane (flight 93) that supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania during the 9/11 attack has been found in one piece. I suspect that most of the governments of the major countries of the world now know that the WTC attacks were faked which is why they are opposing US interests at every turn. I sadly think that many people
in Washington including both Republicans and Democrats know this as well and are perpetrating the lie. Money is behind it all. It is again a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.


just remmeber - I didnt write that shit lol



You wanna know whats really interesting? This thing says that the pentagon was hit by a cruise missle, and not an airplane. My question is what happened to the plane that was hijacked, people were on that plane and those people died. So where did that plane go? Also the cruise missle theory is wrong...people saw a plane flying over the pentagon not a fucking missle, the airtraffic controlers that were in the region followed the aircraft from hijack to crash. Dont argue with me on the airtraffic controler part my dad is the head supervisor for Hartsfield airtraffic control and he was working on 9-11 and my mom at the time was a flight attendent she was also flying. So dont think im bsing you.

[HiPSI]

You wanna know whats really interesting? This thing says that the pentagon was hit by a cruise missle, and not an airplane. My question is what happened to the plane that was hijacked, people were on that plane and those people died. So where did that plane go? Also the cruise missle theory is wrong...people saw a plane flying over the pentagon not a fucking missle, the airtraffic controlers that were in the region followed the aircraft from hijack to crash. Dont argue with me on the airtraffic controler part my dad is the head supervisor for Hartsfield airtraffic control and he was working on 9-11 and my mom at the time was a flight attendent she was also flying. So dont think im bsing you.


doesn't mean the air traffic controllers weren't paid/threatened to tell their story. same goes for the "passengers" of said planes. like i said, every man has his price and even then the air traffic systems could be tricked with some electronics wizardry. why don't we hear of all these phone calls happening from the other planes that supposedly came from flight 93 for example? why won't the gov't release the video of the plane hitting the pentagon from the hotel and gas station nearby? we were able to see the planes hitting the towers vividly, so what's any different there?


but to your initial question... what DID happen to this "plane" in the crash? do you have an explanation of the crash zone that's feasible in any way? no wings, vertical tail rudder, large engine parts, or damage to the building consistant with anything of that size hitting it. no plane bits laying anywhere near the light poles that were mowed down when they easily would have torn a good bit of the plane apart wherever they touched it. same goes for the PA crash site, the evidence just isn't there to support the story everyone was told on that day.


nobody is saying the guy that made the video is 100% correct, but it sure as hell raises plenty of questions to be asked that will never be answered.

[Scgrandprix]

Yep you guys are exactly right and FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor im glad we have you crazy conspiracy theorists around to figure this stuff out with out you guys we would all be doomed

[Hulud]

Yep you guys are exactly right and FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor im glad we have you crazy conspiracy theorists around to figure this stuff out with out you guys we would all be doomed
dude shut the fuck up

you werent in NYC or DC on 9/11 so dont act like your word is anymore believable than anyone else on this board

[Hulud]

I just wanna know why it's taking so long for them to find his ass
becuase we havent REALLY looked for him

the whole time we were over there originally was to waste time for Bush to find a reason to attack Iraq.

Saddam
1. Did not EVER harbor Bin Laden (they were enemies). Before the first Gulf War Bin Laden came to the US saying, "You dont want to attack Saddam? i will. (sound like they were friends?)
2. Where are the WMDs? There arent any. No bullshit about he hid them, there is no way he hid them, where the fuck would they be? He wasnt afraid of anyone attacking him.

[Scgrandprix]

dude shut the fuck up

you werent in NYC or DC on 9/11 so dont act like your word is anymore believable than anyone else on this board

Im entitled to my own opinion and if i wanna call them fucking crazy conspiracy theorists i will. You seem to put ur opinion in on everything anyways so dont tell me to shut the fuck up when u do the same shit.

[Hulud]

Im entitled to my own opinion and if i wanna call them fucking crazy conspiracy theorists i will. You seem to put ur opinion in on everything anyways so dont tell me to shut the fuck up when u do the same shit.
but i dont dismiss others idea as crazy. and i will tell you to shut the fuck up if i feel like it, cause like you said im entitled to it.

plus atleast when i voice my opinion its only an opinion.
you wont see me bringing others down for what they believe, cause im not an ignorant asshole ;)

[HiPSI]

Yep you guys are exactly right and FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor im glad we have you crazy conspiracy theorists around to figure this stuff out with out you guys we would all be doomed


do you always take everything you see on the news as complete truth?

as for me being a crazy conspiracy theorist, as much as i'd love to have that title i don't really consider myself that. up until i saw this video i believed what i saw and never really questioned it because it seemed very clear cut as to what happened. after seeing it and trying to hold an open mind there are many things questioned that i also asked myself when i saw it initially but never bothered digging into.

and you never answered my question. where did all the plane parts go at the pentagon and in PA? how did a large passenger plane leave nothing but a round hole in the pentagon and no wreckage outside? instead of calling names why not answer that with a legitimate response?

unless you have some undeniable evidence as to how these 2 planes just disappeared into thin air then you are just a theorist yourself.

[Hulud]

do you always take everything you see on the news as complete truth?

as for me being a crazy conspiracy theorist, as much as i'd love to have that title i don't really consider myself that. up until i saw this video i believed what i saw and never really questioned it because it seemed very clear cut as to what happened. after seeing it and trying to hold an open mind there are many things questioned that i also asked myself when i saw it initially but never bothered digging into.

exactly

[JITB]

i Love the fact that this video is getting so much attention...

there is no way anyoen could watch it and not have ther doubts.

has anyone read the Art of War? it speaks about the same kind of conspiracies or things that governments will do or have done in the past.

[ShooterMcGavin]

becuase we havent REALLY looked for him

the whole time we were over there originally was to waste time for Bush to find a reason to attack Iraq.

Saddam
1. Did not EVER harbor Bin Laden (they were enemies). Before the first Gulf War Bin Laden came to the US saying, "You dont want to attack Saddam? i will. (sound like they were friends?)
2. Where are the WMDs? There arent any. No bullshit about he hid them, there is no way he hid them, where the fuck would they be? He wasnt afraid of anyone attacking him.

if u haven't yet, u should check out the debate that went on the War on Iran thread. there was some talk about the WMDs between myself and Xan.

[Scgrandprix]

Do u know what happens to a plane that hits a building at over 500+ mph? Regular Civil airliners can break up at those speeds they were not designed to fly at that high of a speed. There is a test that aircraft must pass in order to be allowed to fly, they test the strength of the wings and how much of an angle they can be bent upward before they snap off. US Air Force military aircraft do not have this test because they are built so strong that there is no fear of their wings snapping off. Regular Civilian aircraft are very week in comparision, and combined with the temeratures of the fire that raged with the jet fuel the speed of the aircraft and the impact that was made in the side of the the pentagon and Shanksville, PA it is obvious that it was a jet airliner and not a cruise missle. There that is your explanation to your theory of aircraft parts. Look at what happened to the towers when those planes hit, could you see any wreckage in the buildings after the planes hit?

O ya its gonna take another 9/11 before you guys realize that its not the government that is blowing stuff up around the country. Would you guys still be saying the government did this even if Gore was the president and not Bush on 9/11? Look at the facts dont be pissed off because a Democrat isnt president. You guys call Bush a Dumbass and w/e well if hes such a dumbass how could he pull off a conspiacy like the one you guys keep saying he did.
If i asked you why were in iraq im willing to bet your answer would be oil. Well if we were there for oil do you really think we would be paying 3$+ a gallon? Get past the fucking politics and look at the facts stop hating bush for just one second and look at things from a moderate view point.

And no i dont believe everything i see on TV because if i did i would be just like you guys bashing the war in Iraq and bashing Bush. Thats all the news networks do besides Fox News. You guys must be the ones that believe everything you see on TV and the Internet because the moment this video showed up you guys were freaking out saying o this is the truth and what not.

[ShooterMcGavin]

bush is still a dumbass, can't really argue that :D

[Hulud]

O ya its gonna take another 9/11 before you guys realize that its not the government that is blowing stuff up around the country. Would you guys still be saying the government did this even if Gore was the president and not Bush on 9/11? Look at the facts dont be pissed off because a Democrat isnt president. You guys call Bush a Dumbass and w/e well if hes such a dumbass how could he pull off a conspiacy like the one you guys keep saying he did.
If i asked you why were in iraq im willing to bet your answer would be oil. Well if we were there for oil do you really think we would be paying 3$+ a gallon? Get past the fucking politics and look at the facts stop hating bush for just one second and look at things from a moderate view point.
ok first off yes i would still think i COULD have been done by the govt if gore (the robot) was in office or Kerry (the flipflopper).

ok lets use some common sense here, lets just say IF the govt did plan the attack, you really think it was Bush all by himself? cmon. I highly doubt bush had anything to do with it. There are more people in the govt than just the president. and plus the others have been in office a lot longer (ie senators and house members).


so yea get off of your conservative views and think for a second that not everyone who thinks the govt did this is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat. And not everyone who hates bush is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat :goodjob:



bush is still a dumbass, can't really argue that :D
i dunno man...... :lmfao:

[HiPSI]

Do u know what happens to a plane that hits a building at over 500+ mph? Regular Civil airliners can break up at those speeds they were not designed to fly at that high of a speed. There is a test that aircraft must pass in order to be allowed to fly, they test the strength of the wings and how much of an angle they can be bent upward before they snap off. US Air Force military aircraft do not have this test because they are built so strong that there is no fear of their wings snapping off. Regular Civilian aircraft are very week in comparision, and combined with the temeratures of the fire that raged with the jet fuel the speed of the aircraft and the impact that was made in the side of the the pentagon and Shanksville, PA it is obvious that it was a jet airliner and not a cruise missle. There that is your explanation to your theory of aircraft parts. Look at what happened to the towers when those planes hit, could you see any wreckage in the buildings after the planes hit?

O ya its gonna take another 9/11 before you guys realize that its not the government that is blowing stuff up around the country. Would you guys still be saying the government did this even if Gore was the president and not Bush on 9/11? Look at the facts dont be pissed off because a Democrat isnt president. You guys call Bush a Dumbass and w/e well if hes such a dumbass how could he pull off a conspiacy like the one you guys keep saying he did.
If i asked you why were in iraq im willing to bet your answer would be oil. Well if we were there for oil do you really think we would be paying 3$+ a gallon? Get past the fucking politics and look at the facts stop hating bush for just one second and look at things from a moderate view point.

And no i dont believe everything i see on TV because if i did i would be just like you guys bashing the war in Iraq and bashing Bush. Thats all the news networks do besides Fox News. You guys must be the ones that believe everything you see on TV and the Internet because the moment this video showed up you guys were freaking out saying o this is the truth and what not.



so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?

here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?
http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/SIPA.jpg
surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.
http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/facade-intactesma.jpg

how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)
http://911review.org/images/snopes/a1.JPG


i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?

[Hulud]

so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?

here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?
http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/SIPA.jpg
surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.
http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/facade-intactesma.jpg

how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)
http://911review.org/images/snopes/a1.JPG


i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?
:stupid:

[ShooterMcGavin]

so yea get off of your conservative views and think for a second that not everyone who thinks the govt did this is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat. And not everyone who hates bush is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat :goodjob:

AMEN! someone listen to this guy, he actually knows what he's talkin about :D :goodjob:

[ShooterMcGavin]

so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?

here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?
http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/SIPA.jpg
surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.
http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/facade-intactesma.jpg

how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)
http://911review.org/images/snopes/a1.JPG


i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?
:werd: watch the damn video and actually think through the FACTS presented without being a biased conservative OR liberal.

[{X}Echo419]

becuase we havent REALLY looked for him

the whole time we were over there originally was to waste time for Bush to find a reason to attack Iraq.

Saddam
1. Did not EVER harbor Bin Laden (they were enemies). Before the first Gulf War Bin Laden came to the US saying, "You dont want to attack Saddam? i will. (sound like they were friends?)
2. Where are the WMDs? There arent any. No bullshit about he hid them, there is no way he hid them, where the fuck would they be? He wasnt afraid of anyone attacking him.

1. yes. I'll let you explore that 1.
2. yes. see Kurds.

[Hulud]

1. yes. I'll let you explore that 1.
2. yes. see Kurds.
yay my personal online stalker LOL

ok so explain how osama and sadam were friends, if they were going to attack each other :confused:

he may have HAD wmds at one time but not recently, or did he just happen to hide them that good? :lmfao:

[ShooterMcGavin]

like i said, xan in the other thread brought up some interesting points about several sources indicating there were some truck convoys as well as air shipments headed toward the syrian border right before we invaded. don't know how much truth lies in it but it is a small possibility at least.

[Scgrandprix]

like i said, xan in the other thread brought up some interesting points about several sources indicating there were some truck convoys as well as air shipments headed toward the syrian border right before we invaded. don't know how much truth lies in it but it is a small possibility at least.

Thats how saddams wife got away, but she ended up giving the US info to capture him. Before the war started her gave money and told her to go to Syria.

[{X}Echo419]

yay my personal online stalker LOL

ok so explain how osama and sadam were friends, if they were going to attack each other :confused:

he may have HAD wmds at one time but not recently, or did he just happen to hide them that good? :lmfao:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/2/220331.shtml

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=092503F
there's books on both.
p.s. anyone read the article in Maxim about Uday torturing(sp) people, like the soccer team. beating them bloody then making them roll in the sand....then have thm jump off a diving board into a pool of shit and who knows what else.

[Xan]

so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?

here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?
http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/SIPA.jpg
surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.
http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/facade-intactesma.jpg

how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)
http://911review.org/images/snopes/a1.JPG


i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?

Check out the DoD releases crash tape thread. There's a link in there that has some really good points on the pentagon incident and sources to back them up. I'll throw out the important stuff(at least it was to me). The windows were 3 inches thick(I think. That link says the exact) and shatter proof. Some of them were found on the ground intact. As far as the size of the hole(They were nocked out of their frames). The diameter of the fusilage(sp)(with landing gear up) matched the size of the hole in the pentagon. The top half of the planes fusilage was hollow(Passengers) so it sheared off on impact. Pieces of it were raining down on the lawn for minutes after the crash. The right engine did clip the generator. It turned it 45 degrees TOWARDS the Pentagon. A missle or explosion would have blown it the opposite direction. Back to the lack of damage on the exterior walls. They had been reinforced with kevlar to keep outer walls from shattering(The area was under construction). The wings were loaded with fuel. On impact, the wings were probably incinerated from the explosion. The burnt areas all around the point of impact suggest this. You kind of have to look at the fusilage in bullet theory. When you fire a gun at a piece of plywood, it leaves a nice symetrical hole(most of the time). Think of the fusilage as a huge bullet traveling at 400+MPH. They found one of the engines(I think it was the ground piloting) and most of the debris matched the materials used in boeing's construction. There are still tons of questions that need clarification. However, all evidence(At least the evidence I have seen) points towards a boeing 757.

Edit: This is a link to the site I mentioned earlier. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html