2jz-gte vs. rb26-dett

[AE86 Dorifto]

I've heard a lot of things about both engines. I know alot about both because I'm a Toyota/Nissan fanatic. The rb26 (from what I've seen) can get more hp when built to the max but is extremly unstable at that point and will need extreme work after about two quarter-mile races. The 2jz (from what I've seen) can't get up to as much hp but when maxed out the engine stays strong and doesn't need as much work.
Highest hp 2jz I've seen: 1600 hp (aap). Highest hp rb26 I've seen: 2000 hp (some video on the internet).

[Bruce Leroy]

I'm partial to the 2j.

[1439/2000]

This thread is retarded. They're both fine.

[P. A.]

2jz,1jz,7m,starting @500 + whp w/stock bottom end....

[P. A.]

but rb26 :goodjob:

[AE86 Dorifto]

This thread is retarded. They're both fine.

I know they're both fine but which one do you like better?

[1439/2000]

I know they're both fine but which one do you like better?

There is a blown up rb26 at my house. Looking at it makes me not want one. It made good power and fits in a 240 barely.

2js are nice too, i'd throw one in an sc300.

So, it's a tie.

[Mdeezy]

the RB can take boost better due to its iron block. I love the RB for all it is, but its easier and cheaper to get ones hands on a 2jz. That stock motor can handle +/- 400hp with no internal modification.

It just depends on what its going into. they both can take a lot of abuse before they need additional work.

[PhAtBoYMr2]

toyota > Nissan

2jzgte are known to have higher hp then rb26's do. But the skyline will always hook up better than a supra because of the 4wd. If the supra were 4wd it would completly own the skyline in every aspect.

also tuning a supra is easier than a skyline

[Negrodamus]

4g63(t)

[1439/2000]

toyota > Nissan

2jzgte are known to have higher hp then rb26's do. But the skyline will always hook up better than a supra because of the 4wd. If the supra were 4wd it would completly own the skyline in every aspect.

also tuning a supra is easier than a skyline

Uhhh that doesn't make sense. Toyota on map while a Nissan on maf, with dual z32 mafs there is no problem tuning a Nissan motor including an rb26.

You can hit 400 with no internal mods on an RB too. They're pretty evenly matched.

[The Green Monster]

2jz ftw!

[Ninety Four]

I think any RB series motor in a 240SX is sexier than a 2JZGTE in either an SC300 or an IS300.


Discuss.

[man]

why would you need to make over 1000hp anyways?

[RandomGuy]

4g63(t)
exactly....

but if i had to make a choice between the I6-ers i'd go with the 2J

[yudalicious]

If the supra were 4wd it would completly own the skyline in every aspect.


meh, pretty useless statement...
blah, supra = heavy pig on road course
skyline = heavy but not a pig

I am and will always be partial to the Ka24de... not even ka24det, just DE

[CSquared]

5efe owns

[Speedm0(\)key]

I've heard a lot of things about both engines. I know alot about both because I'm a Toyota/Nissan fanatic. The rb26 (from what I've seen) can get more hp when built to the max but is extremly unstable at that point and will need extreme work after about two quarter-mile races. The 2jz (from what I've seen) can't get up to as much hp but when maxed out the engine stays strong and doesn't need as much work.
Highest hp 2jz I've seen: 1600 hp (aap). Highest hp rb26 I've seen: 2000 hp (some video on the internet).


kind of a dumb argument, sure.. they are both inline 6's and both are considered to be over-engineered motors. however the 2jzgte is without a doubt the stoutest of the both stock to stock. while the 2jz will never be able to match the rb26's power/liter capabilities, and the rb26 is considered to be the most successfully tuned motor in the world, the 2jzgte is superior as far as the build goes stock for stock. built wise its basically a toss up, but like said.. the rb26 is usually favored due to its ability to pump out more power per liter.

virtually any motor is stable when built and tuned correctly, but i'd have to say after 900whp+.. most motors would break things frequently and maintenance would be far more than religious.

[Speedm0(\)key]

the RB can take boost better due to its iron block. I love the RB for all it is, but its easier and cheaper to get ones hands on a 2jz. That stock motor can handle +/- 400hp with no internal modification.

It just depends on what its going into. they both can take a lot of abuse before they need additional work.

actually son, they are both iron blocks, and the 2jz can handle far more than 400rwhp. i think one of the highest hp stock bottom end 2jz bent one rod @ 879rwhp (after car had already made over 20 passes on that setup)







toyota > Nissan

2jzgte are known to have higher hp then rb26's do. But the skyline will always hook up better than a supra because of the 4wd. If the supra were 4wd it would completly own the skyline in every aspect.

also tuning a supra is easier than a skyline

thats retarded mark, i dissown you for that retarded comment^

actually if you want to talk about which motor has acheived the highest amount of power, the rb26 is winner.. but who cares.

the Skyline has more than just awd advantage, its lighter, and dont forget.. not only is it all wheel drive, it has four wheel steering as well.

[4DRGSR]

2jz gte/ one reason only.....the aftermarket support here in the U.S.A. the rb26 is a great motor...but it's a bitch to get parts for....and yes i have installed both......the 2jz is a better platform.......

[PhAtBoYMr2]

thats retarded mark, i dissown you for that retarded comment^

actually if you want to talk about which motor has acheived the highest amount of power, the rb26 is winner.. but who cares.

the Skyline has more than just awd advantage, its lighter, and dont forget.. not only is it all wheel drive, it has four wheel steering as well.

fuck you whore!!!!

im partial to toyota so fuck nissan. Im just telling you what i heard from people that have tuned and worked with both platforms. There both great platforms but in stock forum the 2jzgte is superior. what the 2jz does on displacement, the RB does on revs The RB is 2.6 liter. The 2J is 3.0 liter...more displacement - more torque and horsepower

RB26DETT engine's are only good for about 600 rwhp on a stock headgasket and block in the hands of an average person and after that you need to swap it out for a metal headgasket that the supra come stock with. their weight is comparitable, if not more than a 2jz-GTE supra. From my understanding of the 2jz engine, you can get 800 from a stock lower block and cannot be matched for top end power either



Uhhh that doesn't make sense. Toyota on map while a Nissan on maf, with dual z32 mafs there is no problem tuning a Nissan motor including an rb26.

You can hit 400 with no internal mods on an RB too. They're pretty evenly matched.

A GTR is more expensive to tune than a Supra. The only reason GTR's are king of the Drag strips in Japan is they are a better car when it comes to traction And probably better on the track. But the supra is known in japan to be the highway king....so basiclly do you want a track car or a highway car??
this does not reflect the capabilities of the two engines .They are almost identical yet the 2j bottom is TWICE as tough

"The 2JZ engine is the latest in ultra high performance engineering from Japan and shows a technological upgrade over the RB26DETT that propels Nissan's Skyline GT-Rs. There are strong similarities between the pair - both are straight sixes with a DOHC 24-valve head, two turbos, intercooling and of course EFI. However, Toyota's 2JZ-GTE has aced the RB26 by including VVT-i (variable valve timing) and a sophisticated sequential turbo system which improves the overall spread of boost (and therefore torque). The swept volume of the engine has also been pushed to 3 litres"

it has been proven that the SUPRA will always make more power than the skyline with the same mods. Exhaust, air filter, FMIC on both, same specs, and the SUPRA always makes more power.

Do some serious work, turbo, injectors, fuel set up, more boost, forged pistons and again the SUPRA comes out on top, more reliable and a stronger engine than the Skyline.


as far as engine platforms go 2jzgte > rb26dett

[Cool Cat Racing]

I'm partial to the RB's but I'm pretty biased on that opinion. RB's are capable of more than 600whp on the stock bottom end, many people are running over 700whp with the stock bottom end. Its simply a matter of how long you want it to last. Now if you take the fact that the supra has about 1/6th more displacement and factor that into even a 700whp RB and you've got your 800+whp supra. I don't think either motor is necessarily "stronger" than the other, one is simply bigger. Its never been a debate that more displacement will net more horsepower, a longer stroke will net more torque. With that in mind its no surprise the supra trumps the RB's. I don't know how much hp the stock 2JZ crank will hold up to but the RB has been tested to nearly 1800 before it came apart. This debate is as old as the Chevy/Dodge/Ford debate, its just as retarded too. Buy the car, not the motor and either way your going to get a good platform to build on. As for tuning and parts, its no harder to get skyline parts as it is to get the JDM supra parts since they're all coming from the same island. I can get skyline parts just about as easily as supra parts.

[PSINXS]

The record for stock bottom power on a Supra was 980whp (peter Blach) and that has been broken. I want to say its 991 now.

but agreed. this debate has been beat to death on every forum in the world. go to supraforums and do a searcha nd you will get some pretty good info.

[1000cckiller]

fuck all ya bitches. rb for life :2up:

[se-riousr]

i have a video of a skyline that made over a 1000hp and did not break for 5 years i will post it when find it. both are good cars but the rb is nice in jap
http://www.dpccars.com/car-movies/01-17-06page1000horsepowerNissanskylineGT-R.htm

[1439/2000]

A GTR is harder to tune? That just blows my mind.


Supra's from a dig on street tires< Galant's from a dig on street tires.

[Cool Cat Racing]

I haven't had any harder time tuning GTR's than any other MAF based car.

[Speedm0(\)key]

I haven't had any harder time tuning GTR's than any other MAF based car.


lol. the GT-R is the most successfully tuned car in the world. hands down.. el oh el.

[GTScoob]

Big pissing contest.

Personally I'd just stroke out a newer LS1 and twin turbo it and throw it in either car. Last I heard stock block V8s were making thousands of HP in big drag racing series.

[Big Baller]

Big pissing contest.

Personally I'd just stroke out a newer LS1 and twin turbo it and throw it in either car. Last I heard stock block V8s were making thousands of HP in big drag racing series.

I proclaim you the second smartest man on IA. At the end of the day there is no replacement for displacement.

Period

[Vteckidd]

2JZ in a 240sx, that would be hot, oh wait, we have one :)

2J>ANYTHING NISSAN

[1439/2000]

2JZ in a 240sx, that would be hot, oh wait, we have one :)

2J>ANYTHING NISSAN


rb26 in a 240= hotter

also around here.

[PSINXS]

how about we race the two cars and see what happens

[joesblk_teg]

personally i think the most powerful engine is the d16.... i mean lol, i would go with the 2jz just because

[Vteckidd]

Something to think about:

how hard is it to get replacements parts for a RB26?
How hard is it to get replacement parts for a 2JZGTE?

Aftermarket support DOMINATES the 2JZ market. Tons of stuff available, RB26 is not so, very little support WHEN COMPARED to the 2JZ IMHO.

pound for pound i would take the toyota proven 900whp stock block workhorse over the rare JDM RB ANYDAY.

whats the fastest RB in the world, whats the fastest supra ;)

[PSINXS]

fastes rb run 7.6

fastest 2jz is in the 6s

[1439/2000]

Something to think about:

how hard is it to get replacements parts for a RB26?
How hard is it to get replacement parts for a 2JZGTE?

Aftermarket support DOMINATES the 2JZ market. Tons of stuff available, RB26 is not so, very little support WHEN COMPARED to the 2JZ IMHO.

pound for pound i would take the toyota proven 900whp stock block workhorse over the rare JDM RB ANYDAY.

whats the fastest RB in the world, whats the fastest supra ;)


Rb26 with big hks turbos with a blown motor in an s13 was still one of the scariest fastest 35-100 mph cars I have ever riden in. I'm sure that car back to normal running condition on race putting 700+ to the wheels would put a hurting on some Supras. Same thing with a 2j but as far as in America, you don't seen really well done RB swaps period, much less a 26.

Nissan motor is a Nissan car. Thats ill.

2j in a 240 is fast but I'm a fan of staying within the manufacturer.

[EJ25RUN]

THIS THREAD = WORTHLESS!!!!

ILL add my share i guess :rolleyes:
i look at it away from the pure hp contest and into the overall.
the r32 won every single group A race ever entered and when the class was changed to JGTC, for the next 2 years the r32 still dominated. r33 took the next 5/7 years and the r34 the next 2 before being retired in 02.

The toyota teams did used the 3sgte and the 1uz v8 instead of a 2jz:lmfao:

[Vteckidd]

IN JAPAN, sure. not here in the US

[Cool Cat GTR]

Something to think about:

how hard is it to get replacements parts for a RB26?
How hard is it to get replacement parts for a 2JZGTE?

Aftermarket support DOMINATES the 2JZ market. Tons of stuff available, RB26 is not so, very little support WHEN COMPARED to the 2JZ IMHO.

pound for pound i would take the toyota proven 900whp stock block workhorse over the rare JDM RB ANYDAY.

whats the fastest RB in the world, whats the fastest supra ;)

I'm not going to comment on which is best because they are both fantastic. I'm on hear to say that replacement parts for RBs are a piece of cake to obtain and anyone believing differently just hasn't made any of the right connections.

[Sport1.3]

The toyota teams did used the 3sgte and the 1uz v8 instead of a 2jz:lmfao:

that was do to the weight of the motor and the ability for the 3s and the 1uz to sit further back in the engine bay for better weight distribution. the cars are limited to 500ps so really it isnt because the 2j wasnt good enough, it was because the 3s can make that much power and more no problem, and the 1uz N/A was more reliable and had much more lower end tq.

personally i think both motors are amazing for a I6. but "competition breads success" so this arguement isnt in vain. id love to see several tuning companies battle it out for superiority

[1439/2000]

I'm not going to comment on which is best because they are both fantastic. I'm on hear to say that replacement parts for RBs are a piece of cake to obtain and anyone believing differently just hasn't made any of the right connections.


Yeah there are a few companies in the states that have TONS of stuff available. jspec i know of has full rebuild kits in stock.

You can even get new manifolds and downpipes plus usd shit all day off Ebay.

[1439/2000]

fastes rb run 7.6

fastest 2jz is in the 6s

john shepard is both of their fathers. lol, 7's on a 4 cylinder 5 speed?!?! Oh shit.

[PSINXS]

brent rau still owns shep even though his is auto. its still a 4g63 that runs 6s as well

[1439/2000]

brent rau still owns shep even though his is auto. its still a 4g63 that runs 6s as well

Since this thread sucks anyway....Brent Raus car is fast but nobody in the sevens is shifting a manual tranny like that.

[PSINXS]

which is true. i do give shep props. i know last year at world finals he was tearin all kinds of shit up though. did he ever make a clean pass at the finals?

[1439/2000]

Yeah thats when he did I think 7.97 @ 180 or some shit. Thats the second awd in the 7's. Brent Rau's car is RWD, the white xbox car, i think they have a built Mighty Max rwd 4g in it.

[Vteckidd]

I'm not going to comment on which is best because they are both fantastic. I'm on hear to say that replacement parts for RBs are a piece of cake to obtain and anyone believing differently just hasn't made any of the right connections.
i was lead to beleive otherwise.

i stand corrected

[PSINXS]

Yeah thats when he did I think 7.97 @ 180 or some shit. Thats the second awd in the 7's. Brent Rau's car is RWD, the white xbox car, i think they have a built Mighty Max rwd 4g in it.
naw that 7.97 was at E-town in New jersey. world finals was ohio. i just remember shep ripping up the drivetrain on just about every pass he attempted to make.

and raus car is just nasty. when a 4 banger throws the front wheels up in the air its time to start giving credit.

[sebastianHoff]

for the record the stock rb head gasket will and has taken 800whp and they both suck considering an ls1 or 5.0 can make way more power for way less money.

[ironchef]

for the record the stock rb head gasket will and has taken 800whp and they both suck considering an ls1 or 5.0 can make way more power for way less money.Well gee when you have close to twice the displacement (2jz case) or more (rb26 case) i wouldn't be suprised.

[Cool Cat Racing]

i was lead to beleive otherwise.

i stand corrected
With anything its a matter of connections. We can get RB parts just about as easily as any other motor. One great thing about Japan is they have very few companies that do forging. All the internal engine parts the JDM companies sell is made here in the states by one of the US companies. Cams are about the only thing that takes some time to get but even that can be had within 2 weeks if you know where to get them. Hell I've had to wait longer for USDM parts than I have on some parts coming from Japan. If your really into RB motors you'll eventually find the best source, just like any other specialty. Until then parts can be hard to come by for any engine outside an SR or a B series.

[HachiDori]

4age> 2Jzgte
4age> Rb

4age ftw!!

2jz get's my vote.

[Sport1.3]

WTF r u smoking....4ag is teh suck FTL.....4ag<4agze<7ag

[RUSH]

Stupid Thread!

The 2j has broke 1000rwhp on a stock motor besides cams, but gimmie a break!

I have a Th400 in my car with a 4200 stall, it did 720rwhp last week, if it was still a 6spd it would be over 800rwhp+, no motor work yet...no cams/valves/retainers/intake manifold/ and so on, but thats going in, in a few weeks....lol
The 2J is a very solid motor, and will take some abuse....as well as the rb26, both good motors....nuff said!

Oh, I would rather race from a dig not a roll!

[Maki]

what is it going in?

[an0therh22]

both motors can handle turbo very well but in my opinion if i had the money i would get the rb motor

[Big Baller]

Neither

World Products Ford Windsor block(with 302 mains) stuffed with a 4 inch stroke crank, 6.25 inch rods and a 4.125 inch piston.

That is a bad mother fucker

[Five*Star*]

Something to think about:

how hard is it to get replacements parts for a RB26?
How hard is it to get replacement parts for a 2JZGTE?

Aftermarket support DOMINATES the 2JZ market. Tons of stuff available, RB26 is not so, very little support WHEN COMPARED to the 2JZ IMHO.

pound for pound i would take the toyota proven 900whp stock block workhorse over the rare JDM RB ANYDAY.

whats the fastest RB in the world, whats the fastest supra ;)


Basically what I was going to say. 2JZ has plenty of parts availability in the USA, and most of us don't need any more than 1600hp anyway!

[Five*Star*]

I'm not going to comment on which is best because they are both fantastic. I'm on hear to say that replacement parts for RBs are a piece of cake to obtain and anyone believing differently just hasn't made any of the right connections.


Only connection you need for 2JZ parts is "Bellsouth", then dial "Titan Motorsports", or stop by AAP or Batlground, and get yourself a fully built and tuned 2JZ right here in ATL.

Everyone knows who Titan is these days.

[Big Baller]

Only connection you need for 2JZ parts is "Batlground", then dial "Batlground", or stop by Batlground or Batlground, and get yourself a fully built and tuned 2JZ right here in ATL at Batlground.

Everyone knows who Batlground is these days.

I fixed it for ya

[josh green]

Honestly go to a real drag race and see how many rb motors are there. Just about every race 2j I saw was running mid 6's in the 1/4. I have seen 900+ on a stock block 2j. I have not really looked into the rb motors, I could give a shit less what brand motor is in what car, I would just get dave to put a 2j in a skyline. I know the grey green is running mid 11's on just a hair over 400whp.

For 4 cylinders, the 4g is great but the ecotech has just completely dominated it in all aspects. They ARE the fastest 4cylinder cars. This is the 1st year for pro extreme and their is a ecotech powered car in the mid 6's maybe lower than that by now. They are shooting for 5's.

[StupidBikerBoy]

Wow, there sure is a lot of misinformation in this thread.


I think you could guess what I voted, but they are both legendary motors.

I went with an RB26 because I wanted something unique.:idb:

[bdydrpdmazda]

rb26dett > 2jz
NISSAN > ALL

[supraguy23]

I Own a supra TT but love the rb26, in my opinion the 2jz is a lot cheaper to get more power out of, you would have to build the rb26 to make anywhere near the power that a stock enternal 2jz could put out

[supraguy23]

Bump for Turbo Dave :bow: :bow:

[babowc]

lololol
they're BOTH marvelous engines.

you guys are retarded for arguing about this!!one!onneoneone !!!eleven!!1one!112!

[40th GT]

I voted 2jz b/c they're readily available in the U.S. and therefore, cheaper parts. That's just my guess, I'm a domestic guy.

[srtspence]

i like the 2jz

[bagnasco]

get the 2jz-gte. horsepower is useless if you cant drive your car.

[Krazykouki]

RB30DET>ALL

[ttman]

2JZGTE>RB
last time I checked, R34 weighs MORE than a supra. supra=3400lbs, R34=3600 lbs. judging from the poll, most people got it RIGHT ;-) besides just sheer asthetics, the 2JZ looks much better than the tilted, budged RB. most importantly the 2JZ has a much stronger stock bottom end and is a bigger motor, FTW.

[StupidBikerBoy]

2JZGTE>RB
last time I checked, R34 weighs MORE than a supra. supra=3400lbs, R34=3600 lbs. judging from the poll, most people got it RIGHT ;-) besides just sheer asthetics, the 2JZ looks much better than the tilted, budged RB. most importantly the 2JZ has a much stronger stock bottom end and is a bigger motor, FTW.

Wrong. Supras haven't weighed 3400lbs since 1984. :lmfao:

93 - 98' weigh 3600 - 3800 lbs. And 3600 lbs isnt bad for an AWD car.

As far as the bottom end being stronger, havent seen a 2JZ got to 1800hp on the stock bottom.

The RB26 has been taken to 1800 HP on the stock bottom end. This was already posted in here once near the beginning.

They're both great motors, but if I wanted to be a sheep I woulda went with the 2JZ instead.

2JZ = fast & furious on a budget compared to the RB26.:goodjob:

[ranj]

why would you need to make over 1000hp anyways?
very good question lol
probably just for bragin (sp) rights. lol sure u can go faster, but damn over 1000?

[Fr33way]

Didn't know people that build 700-1200hp motors were worried about shipping from Japan. LOLz.

[Benefit]

supra = highway/drag whore

skyline = track/drag/drift/show/ list goes on

[1989_crx_si]

who the hell would need 1500+ hp in a car? i think 1000 hp is more than enough..

i always love 2jz because they're known to hold 1000 hp with a stock bottom end..

but i'll go with a 3sgte - if you fully built it you can pretty much have 600+ and it's a smaller motor..

[Mr_Mischif]

Some of these posts in here must have been deleted.

[Ronsam2006]

4g63(t)


Now thats what im talking about.

[dilusisupra]

2JZs are taking over the world....one 240 at a time.
Turbo Dave rules!!!!

[EJ25RUN]

This thread is retarded. They're both fine.

:stupid:

matter fact, if you "jdm is best blah blah blah heads" dont know these people, then you have no room to talk.

Thyssenkrupp-Krause (http://www.thyssenkrupp-krause.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=39&lang=us)

[R32Dragon]

Im a Nissan guy and RB owner...and I still chose the 2JZ. Im sorry, but any drive-train that can handle 800-1000 hp on the stock block deserves the nod.

[-S Double C-]

It depends on the use but if i had the money to build either for my 240 id go with the rb26...I would think youd get alot more credit then you would with a 2jz since it's alot more rare and a much harder swap.

[Kaiser]

toyota > Nissan

2jzgte are known to have higher hp then rb26's do. But the skyline will always hook up better than a supra because of the 4wd. If the supra were 4wd it would completly own the skyline in every aspect.

also tuning a supra is easier than a skyline

Supra's can go incredibly fast.


In one direction.

[TheDarkRacer]

^^ they can do it sideways too! just need a good driver ;) I voted 2jz.

[kingkong]

2jz FTMFW

[AnthonyF]

they are both sexy ass motors that put down a sh*t load of power.

[AnthonyF]

but if i had to choose... Dodge Viper V10 :)

[EJ25RUN]

but if i had to choose... Dodge Viper V10 :)

you know you say that but lets really think this through.... i remember that 1500hp viper you posted.

now that car has an 8 liter right?

the rb fully done up is 3.0 and a 2jz goes to 3.4 liters. Soo i guess what im really saying if chrysler really took their time and didnt use a truck engine, their would be alot more power without the need of turbos and such.

the only other car that has 8 liters is a veyron and that engine is tuned to be driven everyday and not for just track purposes. It drink pump gas to.

[AnthonyF]

i would take an I motor over a V. V's dont make the power the Inlines do.

[AnthonyF]

i just find the Viper V10 a beautiful motor. There arent many pretty motors anymore. RB, 2jz, B16/18, Viper, a few others. Most are covered in sh*t or have covers all over them.

[EJ25RUN]

i just find the Viper V10 a beautiful motor. There arent many pretty motors anymore. RB, 2jz, B16/18, Viper, a few others. Most are covered in sh*t or have covers all over them.

this is the worlds best engine i think! BMW V10

http://www.bmwm5.com/articles/m5e60/motor/30-800.jpg

[redpanda]

I think Bugatti's would be. Quad turbos and 10 radiators. lol, but back to topic: rb26dett. something about the appearance of it..drool.. not saying it's better than the 2jz

[2.0 under pressure]

i would take an I motor over a V. V's dont make the power the Inlines do.
Not hp but non distortional torque

[FoolsDrifFWD]

supra = highway/drag whore

skyline = track/drag/drift/show/ list goes on

LOL YES. But I have seen rally Supras. It depends on what I was doing. Drag 2J but for the track RB. IDK Im don’t like drag racing too boring for me so I would pic RB. I gess because the RB would have grater response on the track because of less stroke. This vid is old but lest you see what I mean. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=1072922

[Tank]

sig says it all


2JZFTW


but both are great motors in there own way, it all depends on what there being built for and the driver to get the most out of a Vehicle's setup.

[Krappy]

KA24DE ftw...lol

[DDam]

2jz all the way. because it's a toyota. ofcourse i'm more of a toyota fan than a nissan fan so my opinion is biased. not that everyone else's isn't.

[turbodave]

This is the most worn out topic. If the rb26 is the s h i t where are they, what there is maybe a hand full here that do any kind of big hp/tq numbers.(They are a cool swap because there isn't alot of them around) If we were over seas it would be another story. But in the united states 2jz rules a s s in this part of the country. Take AAP/Titan high hp numbers are nothing for them and they do them every day. Show me anyone running a rb26 for even a half a season without problems in our country and doing what the 2jz can do performance wise at the track.

[Nissangeek]

why would you need to make over 1000hp anyways?

STFU. GTFO. There is no such thing as too much power. Especially for those of us who are hung like a mouse. lol. Gotta make up for it somehow. lol.

[man]

you know you say that but lets really think this through.... i remember that 1500hp viper you posted.

now that car has an 8 liter right?

the rb fully done up is 3.0 and a 2jz goes to 3.4 liters. Soo i guess what im really saying if chrysler really took their time and didnt use a truck engine, their would be alot more power without the need of turbos and such.

the only other car that has 8 liters is a veyron and that engine is tuned to be driven everyday and not for just track purposes. It drink pump gas to.

If you're suggesting a 3.0L putting out 1500hp is better than an 8L with the same hp, you need to get your facts straight.

[turborodarry]

why swap either be original

[Sol-Badguy]

why swap either be original
Yes, be original. Don't use either proven race motor. :gay:

[zoborax]

I've owned both, and I would say stock-to-stock, the RB26. I don't have the best data experience, being that my supra was auto and BPU, and my GT-R is slightly modified (Trust FMIC, 4-in Apexi N1 Exhaust, DP, HKS twin intakes). Supra was 400 bhp, skyline is probably 350 bhp. The power/torque curve is more linear and responsive with the skyline, due to the true twin setup of the small Garrett turbines. The Toyota's CT26 turbine's are nice, but the sequential set-up creates a minor lag (especially in an AT), which can be disappointing, 'til the 2nd turbine spools up and then you're off!

The skyline is much more fun to drive and feels less bulky in the zigs, and the supra feels more like a drag car.

What would be interesting, is to, somehow swap a 2jzgte into a GT-R (with AWD), and swap an RB26DETT into a Supra and see how that pans out. Of course, I would have to convert the gte to a true twin set-up for the response, but I bet I would like it more in the GT-R. Just gotta have that response!

[gtsxtt]

i would take a rb30 over a 2jz... 3 litres in the rb is badass

[turborodarry]

i like the rb better. unless of course you want a dyno queen.

positive reps plz

[EJ25RUN]

If you're suggesting a 3.0L putting out 1500hp is better than an 8L with the same hp, you need to get your facts straight.

Im saying with all perfect volumetric efficiency, the Viper engine should make more power than it currently has. I say it's not a well built engine because why it it have so much displacement yet show so little for it. Forget adding boost and what not.

Imagine if BMW had their 5.0L V10 on a dyno vs the 8.0L mill from Chrysler.

Really which is the better engine?

[EJ25RUN]

STFU. GTFO. There is no such thing as too much power. Especially for those of us who are hung like a mouse. lol. Gotta make up for it somehow. lol.

You own a Honda. Right?

You are saying too much power is never enough. Right?

Have you ever even driven a car with 400hp much less 1000?

and your saying a car with useless hp makes sense?

[SleepingTalon]

I've done both, and I like the 2J better. It spooled the turbo faster, made more torque, can rev almost as high, and was less expensive. With that said, the RB is still a great motor, it's just my preference based on what I've dealt with in the past 2yrs.

[TehHakingS14]

turbo dave makes a packet thing that actually compare the 2jzgte with the rb25 and 26 if you want to conatct them with mainstream performance, they do some good things with the 2j ;)

[Batlground]

I would have to recommend the 2jz over the rb25 or rb26 any day. The investment cost of making power is lower with the 2j. The tuning is easier with the 2j. The 2j in its stock form is much stronger than the rb. 2j for the win. :D

If you need more details of why I believe the 2j is superior please call me at the shop to discuss.

[PURP]

Really people who cares... If you've got the money to build the hell outta one or the other then just pick what you want... But PLEASE remember... No matter how much HP you get or how fast it is in the 1/4 ....SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE WILL BEAT YOU IN BOTH.... SO WHY WASTE YOUR MONEY.... just my opinion

[NevrNufTorq]

Really people who cares... If you've got the money to build the hell outta one or the other then just pick what you want... But PLEASE remember... No matter how much HP you get or how fast it is in the 1/4 ....SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE WILL BEAT YOU IN BOTH.... SO WHY WASTE YOUR MONEY.... just my opinion
then why are you on a car forum????? :thinking:

statement is true enough, but if you're not into hp then the same could be said about your stereo or look of a car if someone else has more money to invest. just trying to understand the why bother part if you're not into cars why not be on a computer site or something

[NickW]

D15/16 ftw. Most people that I've talked to with extensive experience (like battleground above) prefer the 2JZ.

[redblackfan]

2jz because toyota made it

[leobond001]

6G72tt

[eraser4g63]

20bt?

[WHYTEBOI]

this N1 rb

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zeropost?cmd=tshow&id=427997

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq304/BERNAL000/100_5607.jpg

[mike's02ls1]

2JZGTE flw

[FoolsDrifFWD]

toyota > Nissan

2jzgte are known to have higher hp then rb26's do. But the skyline will always hook up better than a supra because of the 4wd. If the supra were 4wd it would completly own the skyline in every aspect.

also tuning a supra is easier than a skyline

How do you know this? My god im sick of stupid ass post

[FoolsDrifFWD]

Stupid Thread!

The 2j has broke 1000rwhp on a stock motor besides cams, but gimmie a break!

I have a Th400 in my car with a 4200 stall, it did 720rwhp last week, if it was still a 6spd it would be over 800rwhp+, no motor work yet...no cams/valves/retainers/intake manifold/ and so on, but thats going in, in a few weeks....lol
The 2J is a very solid motor, and will take some abuse....as well as the rb26, both good motors....nuff said!

Oh, I would rather race from a dig not a roll!

that may be true but how long did it last. Hell you can make almost any motor make 1000hp stock and last 1min. Yet one more stupid ass post.

[FoolsDrifFWD]

Basically what I was going to say. 2JZ has plenty of parts availability in the USA, and most of us don't need any more than 1600hp anyway!

You can get parts for the RB26 just as easy as the 2J. We got parts for our RB26 build at lethal in just 2 days. Its not hard anymore.

[leobond001]

6G72tt

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