View Full Version : Hottest Mazda, 1993 Mazda RX-7
vtech
04-28-2005, 12:11 AM
Carbon Creations C-1 carbon fiber 4 piece body kit, Carbon Creations carbon fiber front fenders, Import Fan Carbon Fiber Vader Hood, rebuilt 13b rotary engine, rebuilt Hatachi twin turbos, Carrie wheels C-Sport SP3 19x9.5 rear and 19.8.5 front, and Toyo Tires front 225/35/19 and rear 245/30/19. Check out the picture at turtlewaxtour.com
lemansz
04-28-2005, 12:12 AM
um , how bout you just post a pic...
Negrodamus
04-28-2005, 01:49 AM
the best i could do.....
http://www.teamallstars.com/images/SEMA/001.jpg
but the Emotion rx-7 looks better.....
http://t-emotion.com/emotion/jeff/008.jpg
http://t-emotion.com/emotion/jeff/004.jpg
David88vert
04-28-2005, 06:19 AM
The fit on that body kit is less than perfect. Not the hottest RX7, but still a very nice one. The mirrors don't flow with the lines of the car either. I am not a fan of lambo doors, but to each his own.
not a hug fan of fds, especially with body kits and shit but as David said, to each his own
SLOWR/T
05-02-2005, 02:13 AM
just put an FD motor in my car and ill be happy. FD's are ok just the price, damn!!!!
Negrodamus
05-02-2005, 09:43 PM
FC with a RE kit is the Hotness....just my .02 cents
SLOWR/T
05-03-2005, 11:45 PM
^^looking into that^^ maybe this summer or fall who knows?????
Sport1.3
05-04-2005, 12:06 AM
FB's own yo face...FD's r teh ghey!!!!! TII swap and hang the fuck on!!!
redlinenprelude
07-12-2005, 05:46 PM
ha.. roger that^
Twinturbo6
07-20-2005, 01:49 PM
I so hope You guys don't make me go back to 7's again.... I was always so broke. And I'm sure the idea of having engines laying beside the house will not entertain my neighbors....But man I miss them too.
Importdreamer56
08-04-2005, 01:40 PM
the best bodykit is the ings for the fd
oh...I have one of those, not sure when i will put it on :)
uproot
08-04-2005, 01:58 PM
veilside fortune:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/CplHicks/veilside_rx7_fortune.gif
BID BAD 13-B
10-27-2005, 04:30 PM
Not much of a fan of the carbon creations fd.Looks like a shitty fitting kit to me,And i hate the nasty orange fd thats always at h.i.n
Undertow
10-27-2005, 09:55 PM
If the RX7 doesn't have a LS1 in it......don't bother.
SLOWR/T
10-27-2005, 10:04 PM
^ :rolleyes:
Needs CF Doors and Hatch. :lmfao:
BID BAD 13-B
10-28-2005, 01:25 PM
People who put chevy motors in fds cant afford to keep up ther cars../...j/k..but that was a stupid comment.
Danny
10-28-2005, 01:56 PM
If the RX7 doesn't have a LS1 in it......don't bother.
Excuse my french, but that was a very uninformed post. People like BigBad13B are my hero, cause they make 5.7Litre LS1 cars feel like absolute crap when they get walked on by 1.3litres. BigBad, you souldnt be kidding about your last post. An LS1 in an FD or any other RX7 chassis is a waste.
Danny
10-28-2005, 01:57 PM
And as far as wides go for FDs, I am a M-Sport flare fan, :)
BID BAD 13-B
10-28-2005, 03:27 PM
As far as fd's go i like bmw's...maybe im high...but that sounded stupid..
BID BAD 13-B
10-28-2005, 03:29 PM
That veilside fd is wicked
Danny
10-28-2005, 04:19 PM
As far as fd's go i like bmw's...maybe im high...but that sounded stupid..
?????WTF did u just say..lol
Spike
10-28-2005, 04:39 PM
If the RX7 doesn't have a LS1 in it......don't bother.
WHAT!! LS1 :jerkit: ...must be a chevy fan im taking it.
BID BAD 13-B
10-28-2005, 05:45 PM
///??????////lol..wtf...puff puff pass
Negrodamus
10-28-2005, 09:05 PM
LS1 in the FD is the gayest swap evarrrr.
All of you who are so strongly opposed to the ls1 swap are the most uninformed people I know. As soon as one of you can give me one valid reason why the ls1 is a lesser motor than the rotary, I will give in and keep my rotary in my rx7 and live with 12s for the rest of my life and only get 8mpg.
SLOWR/T
10-28-2005, 10:33 PM
im not against a LS1 swapped rx7. but alot of people just hear or see a LS1 swapped rx7 and think that its the best thing ever without learning or driving a rotary. im thinking of doing one at the first of the year but i should still have my rotary FC.
Undertow
10-29-2005, 12:12 AM
I just said that about the LS1 cause you have more to work with. LS1 is for people who want to make serious power in the RX7. Oh by the way, I'm not a Chevy fan just someone that loves to make POWER. :)
BID BAD 13-B
10-29-2005, 05:56 PM
So you cant make real power with a 13-b...500whp isnt real power.???
SLOWR/T
10-29-2005, 06:03 PM
dude ill put down an easy 400+ to the wheel when my cars done and i upgrade the fuel.
slowwrx
10-29-2005, 09:09 PM
If the RX7 doesn't have a LS1 in it......don't bother.
Agreed
slowwrx
10-29-2005, 09:14 PM
Please do give me the reasons that the rotary is such a great motor, I like rotarys because they are diffrent, but as far as them being awesome motors, I dont know that I would go that far.
The LS1 is a great v8 it hardly effects weight distrubtion and it makes so much more power under the curve that its crazy.
Matt
who is a fan of anything that goes fast.
So you cant make real power with a 13-b...500whp isnt real power.???
Sorry to say but you could push that N/A from an LS1, still manage 27mpg, and not worry about it breaking everytime you turn the key, and heck, I can think of three Hondas on this site that are pushing well over 500whp. Oh and I know the rotary, I drove mine till that sucker blew, I was a fun little motor but it has so many disadvantages.
Undertow
10-29-2005, 10:32 PM
So you cant make real power with a 13-b...500whp isnt real power.???
Real power??? Nothing compared to a boosted LS1.
David88vert
10-29-2005, 11:19 PM
Real power??? Nothing compared to a boosted LS1.
A boosted LS1 is no more reliable than any other boosted motor. Turbos = higher level of heat = increased chance of detonation. Either a 13B or a LS1 can make good power.
Bring a boosted LS1 out to play with this little 1.3L....
A boosted LS1 is no more reliable than any other boosted motor. Turbos = higher level of heat = increased chance of detonation. Either a 13B or a LS1 can make good power.
Bring a boosted LS1 out to play with this little 1.3L....
Good points, mine is not going to be boosted, I'm perfectly happy with 500rwhp N/A and running low 10's/high 9's.
I wouldn't even try to race whatever that motor is going in. :goodjob:
Let's put that motor up against this one (in an FD). It would be one helluva race.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/opticshadow123/HPIM0146a.jpg
David88vert
10-30-2005, 06:40 AM
I've done a lot of research over the years on RX7's (all years), 13B's (all types) , and LS1's (and LT1s). My father was mechanic and built a lot of race cars (both street and track) over the years, so it was natural for me to stay with the V8s. I like V8s a lot, but for the cost, I'll stick with the 13B-REW in a FD. For the cost of converting to a LS1, I could convert to a 20B and make even more power.
Another thing to consider. Most of the 350 swaps don't run better than 12's - 13's. Plan on changing gearing, mounts, etc, if you go the LS1 route.
Personally, the only LS1 swap (other than the TT LS1) that I really like is in the 2nd gen convertible. At 3140 lbs., the vert really benefits from the additional low-end torque to get it moving. Otherwise, you can make more power with the same cost with the 13B.
Of course, if I had a Corvette, I would stay with the LS1. Conversions are never cheap. There is always additional unplanned cost.
BTW - the pic that I posted is r71's car. He doesn't post much on here. The FD that it is going in is not stock - but it is a street car.
BID BAD 13-B
10-30-2005, 09:59 AM
Irespect chevy,it is a great motor,but i like the 13-b,its all cars ,AND thats what we love,so to each thir own.do what u like but dont disrespect anothers opinion.v8...13-b...its still some thing that makes us happy..
respect...big bad 13-b
I've done a lot of research over the years on RX7's (all years), 13B's (all types) , and LS1's (and LT1s). My father was mechanic and built a lot of race cars (both street and track) over the years, so it was natural for me to stay with the V8s. I like V8s a lot, but for the cost, I'll stick with the 13B-REW in a FD. For the cost of converting to a LS1, I could convert to a 20B and make even more power.
Another thing to consider. Most of the 350 swaps don't run better than 12's - 13's. Plan on changing gearing, mounts, etc, if you go the LS1 route.
You could do the 20b, but why? It won't make any more hp than an LS1 is capable of, most parts have to be custom made, as do some of the tools to work on them, the motor is very heavy compared to the LS1 (and thus affects handling), the motors still only last 70k miles and get shitty gas mileage.
Most LS1 swaps run mid-low 12's and good drivers can bring them into the 11's. It's gonna cost me a total of I can get LS1 crate motors for around $1000 a peice and trannys for $500. The total cost of mounting equipment comes to about $1000, so you're telling me you could do a 20b swap for $2500(mind you this is an fc, less mounting equip needed), most 20b swaps I've seen run about $10-13k and that's leaving the motor stock.
My picture is in a street car also, it runs on pump gas, has full interior and is expected to run in the 8s on radials but last time they were at the track, the rear-end locked on them :(.
neontuner95
10-30-2005, 11:57 AM
veilside fortune:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/CplHicks/veilside_rx7_fortune.gif
thats hot veilside
Importdreamer56
10-30-2005, 12:24 PM
yeah, to bad they only made one :(
slowwrx
10-30-2005, 01:51 PM
My new vette will be waiting on a big bad 13b to take it down.
Matt
David88vert
10-30-2005, 06:39 PM
You could do the 20b, but why? It won't make any more hp than an LS1 is capable of, most parts have to be custom made, as do some of the tools to work on them, the motor is very heavy compared to the LS1 (and thus affects handling), the motors still only last 70k miles and get shitty gas mileage.
Most LS1 swaps run mid-low 12's and good drivers can bring them into the 11's. It's gonna cost me a total of I can get LS1 crate motors for around $1000 a peice and trannys for $500. The total cost of mounting equipment comes to about $1000, so you're telling me you could do a 20b swap for $2500(mind you this is an fc, less mounting equip needed), most 20b swaps I've seen run about $10-13k and that's leaving the motor stock.
My picture is in a street car also, it runs on pump gas, has full interior and is expected to run in the 8s on radials but last time they were at the track, the rear-end locked on them :(.
Let me explain it this way. You may believe that you will run high 11's/low 12's on $2500, but you will find out it's alot more expensive than you think. You will not make more power than a decent 20B swap will without going with some sort of power adder or a massive build on the motor. For the 13K that you are speaking of, I can make a fresh built 20B put over 800 to the ground - safely and reliably for more than 70K miles. For your $2500 figure, you can only run an older LS1 in stock configuration. If your going to do the swap, get a newer more powerful LS1. You will need the tranny, harness, and ecu. Then you will need the subframe, a custom driveshaft, custom exhaust, oil coolers, better radiator, lines, fuel system, etc. You will end up spending a lot more than $2500 to make a lot of power. Personally, if I wanted the older LS1, I'd just buy a Trans-Am, Camaro, older Vette, etc. All of them are great cars, and it's a lot easier than a swap (aggravation of the car being out of commission, lost time, etc.). If you just want to do the swap because you want it, by all means go for it. I've got friends with various V8's in their FC's - and all of them spent a lot more than they thought it would be, and none of them are as fast as they thought it would be initially. But - all of them sound great. The rumble of the V8 really catches people's attention. :)
BID BAD 13-B
10-30-2005, 07:08 PM
tAKE UR NEW VETTE AND RUN IT INTO A WALL ASSHOLE
Let me explain it this way. You may believe that you will run high 11's/low 12's on $2500, but you will find out it's alot more expensive than you think. You will not make more power than a decent 20B swap will without going with some sort of power adder or a massive build on the motor. For the 13K that you are speaking of, I can make a fresh built 20B put over 800 to the ground - safely and reliably for more than 70K miles. For your $2500 figure, you can only run an older LS1 in stock configuration. If your going to do the swap, get a newer more powerful LS1. You will need the tranny, harness, and ecu. Then you will need the subframe, a custom driveshaft, custom exhaust, oil coolers, better radiator, lines, fuel system, etc. You will end up spending a lot more than $2500 to make a lot of power. Personally, if I wanted the older LS1, I'd just buy a Trans-Am, Camaro, older Vette, etc. All of them are great cars, and it's a lot easier than a swap (aggravation of the car being out of commission, lost time, etc.). If you just want to do the swap because you want it, by all means go for it. I've got friends with various V8's in their FC's - and all of them spent a lot more than they thought it would be, and none of them are as fast as they thought it would be initially. But - all of them sound great. The rumble of the V8 really catches people's attention. :)
Not trying to be an ass or anything, I mean I love seeing 20b's. I think they are very unique but I feel that the LS1 suits my needs more. The motor I'm getting is an 04 LS1 crate motor = 0 miles(I dont know what you mean by "newer LS1", I am also getting a custom cam and head porting, all for $1000. The guy who is selling me the motor is also selling me the tranny for $500 and he is including a fuel management system. In addition to this, I am ordering the Granny's Speed shop LS1 Delux kit which comes with the subframe,custom driveshaft, oil coolers, better radiator, lines, fuel system, etc., everything needed to do the swap and it's $1200. Installation will be done by myself and the guy who is selling me the motor and tranny. So for $2700 my RX-7 will be pushing well over 400rwhp. But granted, to most people, this swap would be upwards of $6k.
SLOWR/T
10-30-2005, 08:22 PM
My new vette will be waiting on a big bad 13b to take it down.
Matt
well you wont be waiting to long :D
David88vert
10-30-2005, 10:43 PM
Not trying to be an ass or anything, I mean I love seeing 20b's. I think they are very unique but I feel that the LS1 suits my needs more. The motor I'm getting is an 04 LS1 crate motor = 0 miles(I dont know what you mean by "newer LS1", I am also getting a custom cam and head porting, all for $1000. The guy who is selling me the motor is also selling me the tranny for $500 and he is including a fuel management system. In addition to this, I am ordering the Granny's Speed shop LS1 Delux kit which comes with the subframe,custom driveshaft, oil coolers, better radiator, lines, fuel system, etc., everything needed to do the swap and it's $1200. Installation will be done by myself and the guy who is selling me the motor and tranny. So for $2700 my RX-7 will be pushing well over 400rwhp. But granted, to most people, this swap would be upwards of $6k.
A 04 LS1 crate for $1K? A little warm maybe? You shouldn't even be posting right now - you should be on your way to pick to up tonight. If he is giving you all that for that cheap, you should go take a loan out from the bank and get 2 sets - sell one and install the other. You wouldn't just break even, you'd make good money.
04 LS1 (used) = $3500 average
Decent EMS = $1K average
3 angle on the head = $1k
+ more
What are you waiting for?
ironchef
10-31-2005, 12:07 AM
Yea holy crap, he got any more of those $1k ls1's? lol
Actually David, his business is selling LS1s and Northstar V8s. He is my best friend's uncle and we are working for him to help out his business, so he is giving me the motor cheap. No need to rush out right now, I don't have the money yet nor do I have the resources to haul my car to California. The motor will be there until I need it.
Ironchef, yes, he has plenty but he'll charge you the standard $4500.
Danny
10-31-2005, 02:14 PM
tAKE UR NEW VETTE AND RUN IT INTO A WALL ASSHOLE
ahahahaaa... best quote ever! thats almost sig worthy. Id take a FD over a POS vette anyday, no mater what the end result of power is in either. OHH and the guy talkin about his cool new vette, isnt that a slightly diffrent price range than an FD?? :rolleyes:
If i wanted a LS1, i would buy some crap heavy old american junker and throw a LS1 in it. But thats just my opinion. IMO i belive that an LS1 in a RX a waste of the RX7, just due to the fact that its running on pistons, not rotary.
I think me and David stand on the same page here.
Danny
10-31-2005, 02:16 PM
Actually David, his business is selling LS1s and Northstar V8s. He is my best friend's uncle and we are working for him to help out his business, so he is giving me the motor cheap. No need to rush out right now, I don't have the money yet nor do I have the resources to haul my car to California. The motor will be there until I need it.
Ironchef, yes, he has plenty but he'll charge you the standard $4500.
not shabby, not to many products out the with that kinda margin. and like stated above, you should buy two. Shoot, i would buy 10 or 15, but thats just me.
1439/2000
10-31-2005, 02:33 PM
I always hated the veilside fd. I think a stock fd type rs-r (jdm blacked out one) with wheels is perfect..
Danny
10-31-2005, 02:43 PM
Im with u, i like em cleannnnn...
David88vert
10-31-2005, 07:37 PM
ahahahaaa... best quote ever! thats almost sig worthy. Id take a FD over a POS vette anyday, no mater what the end result of power is in either. OHH and the guy talkin about his cool new vette, isnt that a slightly diffrent price range than an FD?? :rolleyes:
If i wanted a LS1, i would buy some crap heavy old american junker and throw a LS1 in it. But thats just my opinion. IMO i belive that an LS1 in a RX a waste of the RX7, just due to the fact that its running on pistons, not rotary.
I think me and David stand on the same page here.
Actually no, we are not on the same page. I like the Corvette a lot. Have you driven a Z06? A stock Z06 of any year will smoke a stock FD. I enjoy driving high-performance cars - of any type. I'm just not really big on swap to another manufacturer's engine. It's like a heart transplant. I prefer to keep my own heart in my chest .....
BID BAD 13-B
10-31-2005, 09:15 PM
The new vette is a great car .very fast out the box,ive got about 50 k invested in the fd,if i had have invested that much in a z06 it would have had 1000 hp plus.But its fun pulling 450 + hp outa 1.3 liters...and weighs2500 lbs!And in the case of 500hp civics, they dont hook up,my se-r had 305 at the wheels and it just spunn tires.
1439/2000
10-31-2005, 09:20 PM
The new vette is a great car .very fast out the box,ive got about 50 k invested in the fd,if i had have invested that much in a z06 it would have had 1000 hp plus.But its fun pulling 450 + hp outa 1.3 liters...and weighs2500 lbs!And in the case of 500hp civics, they dont hook up,my se-r had 305 at the wheels and it just spunn tires.
Another se-r with 300 something? :D
BID BAD 13-B
10-31-2005, 11:16 PM
My old se-r,305whp,built motor,t3t4.
TIGERJC
11-01-2005, 12:43 AM
what would have to be done to put a 20b in a 93 rx7 and what would have to be done to get it to 700hp. i always wanted to get in to the rotary world and i was thinking of going that route. but im still doing my research
TIGERJC
11-01-2005, 12:57 AM
i just did a little bit of research and i found the average price to do the 20b swap cost 30-35k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is that for real
BID BAD 13-B
11-01-2005, 10:58 AM
too much money
HalfBaked
11-01-2005, 11:05 AM
My old se-r,305whp,built motor,t3t4.
Just rock radials all day long, that way you atleast have 3rd,4th, and 5th gear you can play in.
David88vert
11-01-2005, 04:36 PM
i just did a little bit of research and i found the average price to do the 20b swap cost 30-35k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is that for real
If you go to Pettit, yes. If you know what you are doing, you can do it decently for around $13K. But you will need to be mechanically inclined.
Danny
11-02-2005, 09:44 AM
Actually no, we are not on the same page. I like the Corvette a lot. Have you driven a Z06? A stock Z06 of any year will smoke a stock FD. I enjoy driving high-performance cars - of any type. I'm just not really big on swap to another manufacturer's engine. It's like a heart transplant. I prefer to keep my own heart in my chest .....
Your right, I rephrase. I become very biased AGAINST the vette when on the subject of relating a FD to a vette, most likly unfairly biased againts the Vette. I have not had the pleasure of driving a Z06. Standard C5 is as close as I have come, I enjoyed it very much. But, when i spoke of being on the same page, I was refering to the LS1 swap. I am against it, I like my original heart also. Maybe that clears it up. Car for car, i would take a FD over a vette, but thats pushing aside the obvious resale diffrence of the two vehicals. If i was to take that into consideration, I would take the vette, and sell it. then buy an FD, and invest the rest ;) Hopfully I cleared up my unfairly biased opinion. ;)
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