Bush on tv.... Iraq? Why? How long? Victory? WTF?

[4dmin]

ya so he is trying to push is war on Iraq again b/c people are loosing hope in a dying war.... but this is what i love about politics and dumb followers... he starts is speech off on Iraq how we've made strides, blah blah blah, next let me go off on a tanget about the economy/Katrina.

is iraq at cival war?

is iran next? (bush had the embassador from iraq talk to iran about why the US basiclally invaded iraq)

("iranians can not have a nuclear weapon or the knowledge to make"-bush)

bush gets asked point blank "why did we go to iraq, you've changed your story multiple times, why" ("well we changed our diplomacy on 2001" "iraq was a threat")


WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THE EVENTS NOT WHAT POLICITAL PARTY YOU LIKE OR WHO YOU VOTED FOR???

[HyPer50]

(putting all republican homerism aside)Iraq and the world is better off with Saddam gone.... His trial is a fucking joke tho... If Iran ends up being next, I see them as being a possible bigger threat than Iraq was... Atleast if they are able to finish there nuclear program.

[OvErMiNd]

Something needed to happen about Iraq, regardless. I don't know if I agree with the methods we used in going in and such, but I'm pro war. Hell, even if 9/11 was set up by our gov't, I think it'd brilliant. Not to be an ass hole and step on the toes of those who died, but way to launch a war...bravo. If the liberals had won the election, nothing would've happened over seas and who knows what the world would be like right now. I think America just kind of 'took one for the team' in a sense. We are looked at like we're the bad guy or something, but atleast we have a wrap on the middle east.

[I can't wait until Israel uses their laser technology we helped them out w/ --

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[{X}Echo419]

UN Resloution # 687(1991) stated that Saddam had not complyed with inspectors and that if he did not comply unilateral military action would be the result. welp, guess what he didn't for 12 years he didn't.
He had "WMD's" and he used them(chemical) on the Kurds in the north.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/2/220331.shtml
and btw Saddam was Directly and may have meet Bin Laden in person.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/2/220331.shtml
I posted this in a different thread. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1597459/posts?page=1,50

of course "Bush" has to start giving speeches about the war, the economy, and Katrina. there's a left-wing propaganda machine called the "media" out there doing everything they can to regain control of Washington. and for those of you who love nothing more that to suck doen the Kool-aid of lies it's working. follow the sheep with the bell on it.
think about, the only way for these "liberals"(ie: hippies, tree huggers, and dim witted pussies) to win is for US to fail. Zarquwi(whatever) has to win in Iraq(impossible) and all of us have to submit to the demands of these Terrorists. and the next time the homeland gets attacked and thousands more die instead of stomping a mud hole in someone's ass we'll roll over and beg for mercy.
So thank God Saddam was removed. Hell, he was given 12 years after all. B/c otherwise he would have gottan his Uranium from Syria and who knows who would have gotten it.

[GTScoob]

My guess is that Bush is going to keep pushing all of this junk off for another 2 years. We'll hopefully get a more liberal president that can put everything back together while being horribly criticized by conservatives. Iraq is going to keep dragging on and on like another war did 30 years ago . . . and I see a similar ending occurring. We'll pull out and stuff will just go back to how it was.

Maybe I'm naive but I dont think that Iran would blow up the US the first chance that they get nukes. Enough other NATO countries have a large enough stockpile of extra nukes that it would just be mutual assured destruction again if anybody fired off a nuke.

[4dmin]

My guess is that Bush is going to keep pushing all of this junk off for another 2 years. We'll hopefully get a more liberal president that can put everything back together while being horribly criticized by conservatives. Iraq is going to keep dragging on and on like another war did 30 years ago . . . and I see a similar ending occurring. We'll pull out and stuff will just go back to how it was.

:goodjob: agree

what i don't get is the never ending power hungry... 911 to Afganastain to Iraq next Iran/Korea :jerkit: ... for what? why are we there?

terrorism? ok lets clear out the smoke an mirrors... there are terrorist throughout the middle east, why don't we invade every country that is muslim? :rolleyes:

national security should of been top priority not conquest abroad... its amazing for a president who loves to keep his people in fear of terrorism, yet he wants to give visa to illegals to work here... WTF. he wants to keep terrorist out yet you can basically walk over our border and bush is trying to make it so you can stay here and work :headslap:

whatever happened to we are there to liberate the iraq people :lmfao: ?

[{X}Echo419]

:goodjob: agree

what i don't get is the never ending power hungry... 911 to Afganastain to Iraq next Iran/Korea :jerkit: ... for what? why are we there?

terrorism? ok lets clear out the smoke an mirrors... there are terrorist throughout the middle east, why don't we invade every country that is muslim? :rolleyes:

national security should of been top priority not conquest abroad... its amazing for a president who loves to keep his people in fear of terrorism, yet he wants to give visa to illegals to work here... WTF. he wants to keep terrorist out yet you can basically walk over our border and bush is trying to make it so you can stay here and work :headslap:

whatever happened to we are there to liberate the iraq people :lmfao: ?

smoke and mirrors, LIRL! look who's talking. you offer: no facts, no solutions, and the same left-wing ranting of people like Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi.
get your head out of the sand and start thinking for yourself. :)

[4dmin]

smoke and mirrors, LIRL! look who's talking. you offer: no facts, no solutions, and the same left-wing ranting of people like Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi.
get your head out of the sand and start thinking for yourself. :)

no facts? what did you think i just posted? so let me get this straight there are only terrorist in afganastan/iraq? thats what your saying?

your also trying to state that bush is not trying to give work visas to illegals?

ok maybe someone needs to pick up a newspaper or turn on the next tv apperance other than jerking off on the net. :goodjob:

oh ya he never stated either we were there to liberate people? :lmfao:


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i forgot to post my solutions... 1 big fucking nuke to wipe up the entire country... would of saved us 200+ billion dollars and the oil would still be there for Bush and pals for the years to come ;)

[maddawg73]

i rather fight the battle over there than here. leaving iraq before the job is finish would be a big mistake. are we gonna run away and stick our heads in the sand just because things are not going the way as planned. things will get better, just have some patient. leaving now would send the message to the terrorists that they have won the battle in the middle east and that the US and it's citizens don't have the fortitude and will power to fight them. showing weakness only gives them more incentives to attack us again. in the memory of those who have fallen, we can't let them die in vain by leaving before the job is done.

as for the visa for illegals, that's is a mute point since it will never happen because both parties have said no to that proposal. sadly, both parties have failed to do anything to secure our border with mexico fearing the political consequence of a backlash from hispanic voters.

[tony]

So what kind of message did we leave in Vietnam? Forcing democracy on Iraq is basically beating a dead horse (see "Hamas" and "Palestine" for evidence of failed democracy) even if things turn out okay for right now.. you are trying to change a religious culture and that does not happen in a few years. Imagine Iran coming over, taking over the south and try to force their beliefs on christians over here, think they would ever be completely successful? Doubt it

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I do not know how to feel about Bush and his foreign relations since this whole port authority thing blew up, I'm not really sure if I trust what his motives are any more.

And how much weakness do we have to show? A hurricane blows through and decimates an entire city with a lackadaisical from the government, its no secret we have vulnerabilities whether we pull out of Iraq or not.

As for Iran, they have made it clear that if they attack anyone it will be Israel.. which from my understanding would be a very bad move on their part, I do not believe Israel has the compassion the United States possesses, especially as it pertains to Iran.

[maddawg73]

i didn't say anything about changing the religious culture over there. all i'm saying is that we have to help stablize the new govt. by training the iraqi security forces to defend there country, finish reconstruction, and reform the economy. all these things take time.

as for the port authority mess up, the white house had no idea that the deal was in place. that decision was made by a smaller dept., not the white house.
i can undrstand why he supported the deal. if we can't trust one of our allies in the middle east, then who could we trust. that company would have only run the daily operation of the port. port security would still be in the hands of the US. as a matter of fact, alot of the ports in the US are run by foreign companies but all the security is control by the US.

lastly, palestine is not a democracy. just because you have an election does not mean it's a democratic govt.

[Hondasi]

we are in war because afganistan is rank number 1 in cokecane

[tony]

Back in January the Palestinian people elected the political party Hamas to deal with their affairs, even if the society isn't formally a democracy it sounds like nothing but one.. just like America is more of a republic than a democracy.

Understand that in the middle east, religion and politics go hand in hand while here in America we strive to seperate the two. Again changing politics over there takes much longer than a few years, how much patience are we supposed to have? How many soldiers have to fall before we decide this is a lost cause?

And Bush knew about the port authority issue, had he not he would not have been ready to veto a Bill from his own party, mistakes are not reinforced like that.

My main concern is although two totally different situations, my father never once talked about vietnam. I saw a complete change in his demeanor when I asked him if he thought it was a failure, to which he replied "yes" and out of the 25 years I've been here that is all he has said about it.. I just dont want to see my peers come home with the same feeling.

[{X}Echo419]

Vietnam? ok, guess what Militarly we(and by we I mean none of you) won. yep that's right straight wooped that ass. the US did not lose 1 single military engagement with the N.Vietnamese. O and the military killed over 2 million N.Vietnamese. for example, I'm sure many of you heard for the Tiet offensive. the Tiet offensive was an all out attack by the N.Viet. they came with everything(being Russian weapons) they had and guess what...they were repelled. the only reason people "think we lost" is b/c the gov't lost the Media war at home. A war by the left-wing wanted to win at "any" cost.

the Palastinian people "elected" Hamas into power. that's like trading Moussoulinni*spelling* for Hitler.

there aren't "only" terrorists in Iraq and Afganastan but they're there.

illegals? didn't say that either. what do you want to do start trying to deport every illegal that's here? sorry pal but it wouldn't work. but we can lock the border down. which Bush has not done. and start tracking the 1's that are here along with the 1's that want to come over. which Bush is trying to do.

of course "we"(don't use that when refering to Iraq. you are not there.) are ther to Liberate people. you can't depose a dictator and not liberate some folks if you don't want that to happen again. it's throwing out some bad meat. you can't expect the new meat to last if you don't Zip-lock it.

[tony]

Vietnam? ok, guess what Militarly we(and by we I mean none of you) won. yep that's right straight wooped that ass. the US did not lose 1 single military engagement with the N.Vietnamese. O and the military killed over 2 million N.Vietnamese. for example, I'm sure many of you heard for the Tiet offensive. the Tiet offensive was an all out attack by the N.Viet. they came with everything(being Russian weapons) they had and guess what...they were repelled. the only reason people "think we lost" is b/c the gov't lost the Media war at home. A war by the left-wing wanted to win at "any" cost.

the Palastinian people "elected" Hamas into power. that's like trading Moussoulinni*spelling* for Hitler.

there aren't "only" terrorists in Iraq and Afganastan but they're there.

illegals? didn't say that either. what do you want to do start trying to deport every illegal that's here? sorry pal but it wouldn't work. but we can lock the border down. which Bush has not done. and start tracking the 1's that are here along with the 1's that want to come over. which Bush is trying to do.

of course "we"(don't use that when refering to Iraq. you are not there.) are ther to Liberate people. you can't depose a dictator and not liberate some folks if you don't want that to happen again. it's throwing out some bad meat. you can't expect the new meat to last if you don't Zip-lock it.

Ever heard the term "the battle was won but the war was lost?" How many people share your sentiment about Vietnam? Especially those who served.. you wont find many. Just because battles were won does not mean it wasnt a lost cause, those people never took on our political ideals which is one of the reasons we were there. Sound familiar? Give it a few years and it will.


So who is "we" vs "you"? I'm not understanding that, what makes your opinion that much more valid than mine? What because you've served or because I'm not serving? Fine lets discredit anyone who isn't currently in Iraq because obviously they do not have the intelligence to form their own opinion and think for theirself.

[SwurvinIn]

ya know....it does no good for ya'll to bitch. the fact is you, nor any other american can do shit about it. bush is the prez and he has the ultimate power...i voted for him both times in confidence that he could do a good job leading our country, and the 2nd time the OVERWHELMING majority voted with me. ya'll keep bitchin....your only pissin yourself off for a useless cause...we are doing the right thing imo...

[{X}Echo419]

Ever heard the term "the battle was won but the war was lost?" How many people share your sentiment about Vietnam? Especially those who served.. you wont find many. Just because battles were won does not mean it wasnt a lost cause, those people never took on our political ideals which is one of the reasons we were there. Sound familiar? Give it a few years and it will.


So who is "we" vs "you"? I'm not understanding that, what makes your opinion that much more valid than mine? What because you've served or because I'm not serving?

I wasn't claiming to have been in Vietnam or anything like that. hope you didn't get the wrong idea.
you'd be suprised how many people share my opinion. there is a guy just up the hall from me here at work that was in Vietnam(army sniper) that agrees with me.


Fine lets discredit anyone who isn't currently in Iraq because obviously they do not have the intelligence to form their own opinion and think for theirself.
you're kidding right? you don't mean that do you?

[tony]

Nah I didnt really mean it.. I actually voted for Bush like you guys, I just wanted to see if I could argue the other point.

[{X}Echo419]

Nah I didnt really mean it.. I actually voted for Bush like you guys, I just wanted to see if I could argue the other point.

ok, kewl. sometimes I find myself doing the same. :D

[maddawg73]

Understand that in the middle east, religion and politics go hand in hand while here in America we strive to seperate the two. Again changing politics over there takes much longer than a few years, how much patience are we supposed to have? How many soldiers have to fall before we decide this is a lost cause?

And Bush knew about the port authority issue, had he not he would not have been ready to veto a Bill from his own party, mistakes are not reinforced like that.

are you seriously comparing the Vietnam war with this war? i hate to bring numbers to this arguement but we lost 58,000 brave men in 12 years over there while luckily we have only lost 2,316 men and women in only 3 years in iraq.my heart goes out to every family that have either lost their son or daughter.

you said bush knew about the port deal. he said he did not know. here's the link to prove it. i'll take his word that he did not know.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=3931024

all i'm saying is to have some patience.

[maddawg73]

Nah I didnt really mean it.. I actually voted for Bush like you guys, I just wanted to see if I could argue the other point.

oops, sorry man.

[Sledlude]

as for hoping for a liberal president in 2008? shitt.....

the republicans/conservatives own the government and the democratic party is in shambles. i've pretty much lost hope.

[Julio]

left wingers...

[maddawg73]

as for hoping for a liberal president in 2008? shitt.....

the republicans/conservatives own the government and the democratic party is in shambles. i've pretty much lost hope. how ironic that the left dream candidate( hillary clinton) has surprising been pro iraq war. then again , she probably change her mind if hell freezes over and she become the next president.