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MachNU
03-08-2006, 08:11 AM
Name the best subwoofers out there, you know like Lighting, MA, JL, and so on......i am trying to get the opinions of what people think are the best out there!

B16a2 Civic
03-08-2006, 08:15 AM
Audiobahn flame series....to be, it hits hard but wont hit ya pocket too hard

JustinSane110™
03-08-2006, 08:45 AM
Audiobahn flame series....to be, it hits hard but wont hit ya pocket too hard
Yeah, they'll hit hard, but it'll be full of distortion. They generally dont handle the amount of power they claim to either. But it's all gonna come down to how much you're willing to spend TransAxle.

B16a2 Civic
03-08-2006, 08:48 AM
Yeah, they'll hit hard, but it'll be full of distortion. They generally dont handle the amount of power they claim to either. But it's all gonna come down to how much you're willing to spend TransAxle.


true, these lil MTX 8000 Thunders are straight, i had some audiobahn flame q's
1500 watt peak but i only pushed 600 watt to each one with 2 amps, it hit real hard...im thinkin about gettin them again
but yeah like my homie said, its about what you wanna spend
Eclipse is good, if you got the money

Boosted S60R
03-08-2006, 09:52 AM
I think JL is the best. Even though some peeps say they are a little high priced you get what you pay for with jl quality good sound and lots of output.

JustinSane110™
03-08-2006, 09:56 AM
I think JL is the best. Even though some peeps say they are a little high priced you get what you pay for with jl quality good sound and lots of output.
:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

Sammich
03-08-2006, 10:56 AM
best bang for buck IMO solobarics

MachNU
03-08-2006, 11:15 AM
yeah i have two MA12D4 series from maauido, which one sub will push 130 on the spl chart at only 800-1000 watts. I just have an argument with a friend this morning on what the best speakers out there where. So like so far people say JL but ihave heard Lighting is some of the strongest shit on the block!

Boosted S60R
03-08-2006, 11:18 AM
yeah i have two MA12D4 series from maauido, which one sub will push 130 on the spl chart at only 800-1000 watts. I just have an argument with a friend this morning on what the best speakers out there where. So like so far people say JL but ihave heard Lighting is some of the strongest shit on the block!well drop by mall of georgia hifi buys some time and listen to my W7 and see what you think.

MachNU
03-08-2006, 11:34 AM
well drop by mall of georgia hifi buys some time and listen to my W7 and see what you think.

BUHAHAHHAHAHA i was just there a few days ago when i bought positive and negative terminals for my speakers boxes!!!!!

Allstar3.8T
03-08-2006, 11:49 AM
For shear volume/SPL I say JLW7s... for overall SQ& SPL its all Diamond Audio for me.

JustinSane110™
03-08-2006, 12:00 PM
well drop by mall of georgia hifi buys some time and listen to my W7 and see what you think.
W7's FTW!! :goodjob:

I made the switch from 2 15" L7 solobarics, to 2 13W7's about a year and a half ago and havent looked back since. So if you can hold off and save up the cash then I'd say shoot for the W7's.

aaronfelipe
03-08-2006, 12:06 PM
Alpine?
Jackhammer???
http://www.mtxaudio.com/caraudio/products/images/subT9922_JackHammer_800.jpg

GsrTurbo320
03-08-2006, 12:15 PM
I use alpine or JL audio.

MachNU
03-08-2006, 12:20 PM
lol no one has said boston accustics or kicker!!!!!

jackhammer doesnt count!!!!!

sina518
03-08-2006, 04:13 PM
im down with diamond or mtx. diamond always has that clean sound and its prolly the only thing with 3 years of warrenty. and the material they are made from. good prices too

BanginJimmy
03-08-2006, 05:37 PM
best sub on the market for what tye of use?

SPL: Digital Designs
SQ: ID Max or Focal
SQL: W7, XXX, tumult, MTX 9500

Mpatient
03-08-2006, 05:39 PM
Name the best subwoofers out there, you know like Lighting, MA, JL, and so on......i am trying to get the opinions of what people think are the best out there!

The best hands down is JL Audio. the W7 is pound for pund the best sub on the market, I will only ever own JL, the quality and there technology is way ahead of the rest.

DP97ACCORDLX
03-08-2006, 05:45 PM
I have DB Drive platinum series 15's....very satisfied. I agree about Diamond Audio and JL...good shit. Memphis and Kicker as well

BanginJimmy
03-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Most mainstream subs are more show than go. There are exceptions though, JL W6v2 and W7, Diamond M6's and TDX's, Kicker L7 gets very loud for lower SPL classes. I'm more into the lesser known brands though. Resonant Engineering, Adire, Image Dynamics, Shocker Audio and Digital Designsare some of my favorites. I always thought it was funny to see peoples reactions when I burped my XXX's. No one has ever heard of Resonant Engineering, but everyone has heard of W7's. Well at a show last year my 2 XXX's tuned to 38hz was 2.6 DB louder than a certain shops install with 3 W7 13's and 3 1000/1's.

excuse my rant, and I'm not knocking the W7, in fact its one of my favorite subs.

Oh and as a rule, with no exceptions there is no best sub or best anything in car audio. Every situation is different. SOme products are better than others, but there isnt a single product that does everything the best.

rollininstyle2004
03-08-2006, 06:41 PM
I agree with pretty much everything BanginJimmy said.

SPL: RE MT, Brahma Extremes (cant really get them though...Scottie J special), DD 9515
SQ: Focal, ID, Arc
SQL: JL, ID, Arc, Diamond

Thoose are just a few off the top of my head...there are many more...

JASONBALL
03-08-2006, 07:58 PM
the funny thing is that JL subs and car audio was designed for SQ and not SPL but there subs are so kick ass. That people see it the other way. just food for thought.

sina518
03-08-2006, 08:03 PM
who makes the xxx

BanginJimmy
03-08-2006, 08:20 PM
resonant engineering makes the XXX

MachNU
03-08-2006, 09:02 PM
Yeah i am still an MA Audio fan seeing as how they beat out all sound people in 2004 National Sound Competition. But right know with just the MA12D4 x2 i will probably hit around 200+ SPL, but this summer when i go fiberglass i am going to go with there Quaker Series which are dam dam dam dam dam hard to get, have to special order them from MA, they are 12's at 3000 peak watt and 1500rms and i will have two of them!!!!!!

But all this was for the sake of seeing what peoples opinions are, since a friend and i where wanting to see who thought what was best!

Allstar3.8T
03-08-2006, 09:34 PM
Honestly, 9/10 people cant tell which sub is better because thier enclosure isnt up to par. If I put a crappy sub in a great box, it'll out perform a great sub in a leaky/inadequate box. I have a single 8" that is louder, deaper and more musical than most peoples 2 10"s...why, because enclosure design is VERY important, and I over-build.

BanginJimmy
03-08-2006, 09:47 PM
Honestly, 9/10 people cant tell which sub is better because thier enclosure isnt up to par. If I put a crappy sub in a great box, it'll out perform a great sub in a leaky/inadequate box. I have a single 8" that is louder, deaper and more musical than most peoples 2 10"s...why, because enclosure design is VERY important, and I over-build.


very good point

Allstar3.8T
03-08-2006, 09:47 PM
Also MTX 9500s...
check this out;
http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/headtohead/w7.cfm

BanginJimmy
03-08-2006, 09:49 PM
Yeah i am still an MA Audio fan seeing as how they beat out all sound people in 2004 National Sound Competition. But right know with just the MA12D4 x2 i will probably hit around 200+ SPL, but this summer when i go fiberglass i am going to go with there Quaker Series which are dam dam dam dam dam hard to get, have to special order them from MA, they are 12's at 3000 peak watt and 1500rms and i will have two of them!!!!!!!

I really hope you are kidding here but I will not assume anything

1. no one has broken 200db
2. 3kw to a pair of subs is nothing. I know people giving over 6kw to a single 10. SPL only enclosure and DD 9510
3. what the hell is the national sound competition

v3rd1g0
03-08-2006, 10:54 PM
lol he probably added the sensitvity of the two subs together then added more b/c of the glass enclosure...

MachNU
03-09-2006, 07:41 AM
I really hope you are kidding here but I will not assume anything

1. no one has broken 200db
2. 3kw to a pair of subs is nothing. I know people giving over 6kw to a single 10. SPL only enclosure and DD 9515
3. what the hell is the national sound competition

alright maybe not 200 but it should be dam close with 1 sub hitting 130 by itself, in a shitty trunk and a shitty built box, know with two of them in a dynamatted trunk with a box built perfectly to the speakers air space specification, so i should get a pretty good amount out of it!

also heres for your third question http://www.nsplcompetition.com/index-10.cfm gives you all the records so far, with each class and events and such. I am still trying to find the website that does it by makes to see which one is the best.

BanginJimmy
03-09-2006, 08:17 AM
damn those are low scores for world records. DB Drag world record is 178.* and combined finals record was 181 I believe.

BanginJimmy
03-09-2006, 08:19 AM
oh and doubling something will give you an average SPL increase of 3db. So with a well built box, double cone area, double power and deadened truck You will gain somewhere in the area of 8-10 db. Not 70 db.

MachNU
03-09-2006, 11:33 AM
only 8-10 wow i find that hard to believe! but i will find out when i get them tested!

v3rd1g0
03-09-2006, 11:43 AM
lol i'm pretty sure banginjimmy knows what he's talking about. in the picsof your set up thread he's got a few trophies lol

Allstar3.8T
03-10-2006, 08:33 AM
Bangin is rioght , Double speaker cone size is +3db. Then, double power to all subs, thats 3 more db. If it was only about $, someone would have hit 200 by now. Its about science. The wall at 150 db took years to get by, the one at 180 even longer. 200 is virtually unreachable.
Also, ALOT of local people w/ 150 db cars were NOT measured on a good A weighted meter, so IMO, they dont count, Try it on a good RTA and see a low 140...that what they actually have anyway.

Allstar3.8T
03-10-2006, 08:35 AM
I have seen 2 10"s do 150+ db in a CRX, I had eight 12s do mid 150s in a civic I had. The diff is the crx pressured up, and was pretty loud. Mine was REAL loud, but wouldnt hold pressure for crap. If it sounds loud, you are only halfway there, its gotta hold the pressure as well.

Jdm94Coupe
03-10-2006, 09:24 AM
Well I had 2 Solobaric X's in my civic and dey was str8 FIRE!......it has a lot to do w/ what amp you using and what box..... my boi brandon has a yukon denali w/ 3 jl w6v2's with 1 jl 1000/1 but i GUARANTEE you find nobody beatin harder wit 2 w7's...... it has a lot to do with other factors too.....

but it like
w7's.......w6v2's
kicker solobaric l7's and solo x's
audiobahn has good shit
mtx has like one bad ass sub, lol
memphis has good shit too

MachNU
03-10-2006, 09:47 AM
yeah, well i guess i will hit somewhere between 140-150 is my guess. It wont be until this summer when i really go for the big leagues with true true competition subs, but i will pay some people to built the works for me, that way its all done right to the t!

Jdm94Coupe
03-10-2006, 09:59 AM
audio concepts in conyers does da damn thang!

BanginJimmy
03-10-2006, 11:38 AM
Well I had 2 Solobaric X's in my civic and dey was str8 FIRE!......it has a lot to do w/ what amp you using and what box..... my boi brandon has a yukon denali w/ 3 jl w6v2's with 1 jl 1000/1 but i GUARANTEE you find nobody beatin harder wit 2 w7's...... it has a lot to do with other factors too.....

but it like
w7's.......w6v2's
kicker solobaric l7's and solo x's
audiobahn has good shit
mtx has like one bad ass sub, lol
memphis has good shit too


guy I used to compete with was doing 159+ with a single DD9515 in a focus hatch.
edit: that was 159+on the term-lab. One the Audiocontrol SPL180 he was doing 164+

W6v2's > W7
L7 > Solo X because of price toperformance ratio
aidiopawn = garbage
MTX 9500 = very nice and not overlyexpensive
memphis = ok entry level gear except for the belle

JustinSane110™
03-11-2006, 10:11 PM
Well I had 2 Solobaric X's in my civic and dey was str8 FIRE!......it has a lot to do w/ what amp you using and what box..... my boi brandon has a yukon denali w/ 3 jl w6v2's with 1 jl 1000/1 but i GUARANTEE you find nobody beatin harder wit 2 w7's...... it has a lot to do with other factors too.....

but it like
w7's.......w6v2's
kicker solobaric l7's and solo x's
audiobahn has good shit
mtx has like one bad ass sub, lol
memphis has good shit too
This post has got to be a joke, haha. I got 2 13W7's in my truck and metered a 153.? on the mic meter with some charging issues, in a box made for looks rather than SPL. Audiobahn has good shit?? Since when? Audiobahn is just plain shit, especially with their floss sized wire terminals. Just chrome plated turds.

BanginJimmy
03-11-2006, 10:27 PM
what meter did you do a 153 on?

Specs on the box?

what amp?

JustinSane110™
03-11-2006, 10:46 PM
what meter did you do a 153 on?

Specs on the box?

what amp?
Dunno/dunno, but I assume its between 8-10 cu. ft, dual ports/JL 1000/1 per woofer.

Lemme upload a pic of the box and PM you the link.

rollininstyle2004
03-11-2006, 10:53 PM
Bangin is rioght , Double speaker cone size is +3db. Then, double power to all subs, thats 3 more db. If it was only about $, someone would have hit 200 by now. Its about science. The wall at 150 db took years to get by, the one at 180 even longer. 200 is virtually unreachable.
Wasnt the 180 just done at this past years finals? Either way I remember everyone on the car audio forums joking around about how the world was going explode when someone broke 180 :lmfao:

Michael, for an indication on how loud this stuff is, Scottie Johnson had 9 Adire Brahma Extremes with 10kw on EACH and hit a 178.x there was a video floating around of one of his runs with that setup and it cracked the frame on his door :)

BanginJimmy
03-11-2006, 11:07 PM
Wasnt the 180 just done at this past years finals? Either way I remember everyone on the car audio forums joking around about how the world was going explode when someone broke 180 :lmfao:

Michael, for an indication on how loud this stuff is, Scottie Johnson had 9 Adire Brahma Extremes with 10kw on EACH and hit a 178.x there was a video floating around of one of his runs with that setup and it cracked the frame on his door :)

180 was broken unofficially last year by team loud. Officially it was broken this year at combined finals, not db drag.

Scotties truck is insane heres the link to his vid of realm of excursion.
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Adire/brahma12.3.wmv

rollininstyle2004
03-11-2006, 11:42 PM
180 was broken unofficially last year by team loud. Officially it was broken this year at combined finals, not db drag.

Scotties truck is insane heres the link to his vid of realm of excursion.
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Adire/brahma12.3.wmv
His amp rack was always my favorite part of that setup, not because of the design just due to the sheer amount of amps he had...he had 4 1501Ds strapped to each sub so that was 36 amps alone. Then he said he carried an EXTRA 12 amps "just in case." I mean everyone needs 120,000 watts on tap, right? :lmfao:

BanginJimmy
03-12-2006, 01:08 AM
another for your viewikng pleasure

this is the truck that Scottie went to finals with 134k watts

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Resonant%20Engineering/mt12.1.wmv

MachNU
03-12-2006, 11:41 AM
another for your viewikng pleasure

this is the truck that Scottie went to finals with 134k watts

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Resonant%20Engineering/mt12.1.wmv

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: GOOD GOD, it looked like his door was about to come off!

Allstar3.8T
03-12-2006, 03:45 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: GOOD GOD, it looked like his door was about to come off!
It literally vibrated that poor fella off the door he was leaning on....WOW.

BanginJimmy
03-12-2006, 04:02 PM
at retail prices for equipment and labor, that truck is worth about 500k if I remember correctly

SPL_Jetta
03-12-2006, 04:04 PM
Im suprised im not seeing anyone even mentioning old school orion. I used a Orion H2 12.4 hooked up to 3000w Power Acoustik amp and with one sub i hit 141.9 dB. Its good, and i bought both of the ones that I now own for 300 a piece shipped.

and for the record the loudest sound possible due to the limits of sound waves is 194 dB. I looked it up online awhile ago.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/noise/abouthlp/noisemeter_html/hp194.html

so if you ever here anyone say that they are louder than 194, smack them with a large trout

harrisonsaid
04-12-2006, 07:55 PM
memphis = ok entry level gear except for the belle

Jimmy, have you ever heard Memphis audios full lineup? Ive got a full memphis setup, and i can tell you its nowhere near entry level. Maybe the lower power reference series, but the MClass line is amazing, and the M3 subs are even better.

Theres nothing entry level about a 300 dollar pair of components.

sina518
04-12-2006, 09:29 PM
300 dollar components thats it. screw memphis

BanginJimmy
04-13-2006, 12:30 AM
those $300 components arent much more than overpriced entry level. Both sets of components I have had were over $600. A/D/S 346is and older focal k2p's. I wish I could afford a new set of k2p's. my ex decided I didnt need them and tore them out with a pry bar.

bigfred706
04-13-2006, 05:50 PM
http://www.mycarjams.com/images/products/SPLW1.JPG SPL W12

2200 watts power handling
1100 watts RMS
340 oz. magnet
4" BASV/Kapton hybrid 18 AWG voice coil
FS 33.5(Hz)
Vas 0.8 cu.ft.
Qes: 0.34 . Qms: 5.668 . Qts: 0.32
Xmax: 0.47"
SPL 90 dB
Sealed box: N/A
Ported box: 2.4 cu. ft.
Tuning: 40 Hz
Port size: 4" (dia) x 16.75" (length)


# of ports: 2
Cloth laminated paper cone with MD6 coating
Dual 1 ohm voice coil
Die cast aluminum basket
Aluminum/chrome dust cap for extra rigidity under extreme conditions
Black wrinkle finish with Diamond cut
Chrome finish front & back plate
Large roll treated foam surround
One piece, 360º rubber gasket
Dual conex spider
Woven tinsel lead through spider
Chrome binding post terminals

sina518
04-13-2006, 07:00 PM
yeah spl sucks dont waste ur money 1100 watts in spl world not really 1100. how much is it like 150 bucks

BanginJimmy
04-13-2006, 07:12 PM
kind of off topic, but does anyone know where to find a DD 9510 around here?

bigfred706
04-13-2006, 08:26 PM
http://www.mycarjams.com/images/products/TXXC1000.JPGdont think that name brand subs are the best .some off brand subs can hit harder than name brand subs .. we got 2 of these 10" Audio Pipe subs and hit 144.0 db and they are $70.00 Each..:goodjob:

v3rd1g0
04-13-2006, 09:38 PM
i find calling a subwoofer the "best" is one that can last and still sound good. not just how many db they can put out.

sina518
04-13-2006, 09:39 PM
you can make any sub hit. it all depends on the box and the amp. you can make some wallmart road gear subs hit

sina518
04-13-2006, 09:41 PM
there is no such thing as the best woofer everyone has a differnt tone to there ear some like spl some like sq some like sql. it all just depends on wat sounds good to u. a 900 dollar sub that sounds amazing to me might not sound as good to you. your 200 sub prolly sounds better. so it all depends on what your ears like.

BanginJimmy
04-14-2006, 01:48 AM
like Sina said, best is dependant on:
your listening habits
application which the sub is going to be used
power and enclosure limitations
budget

take all of those and then add in personal taste and there you go, the best sub made.


I think I said this already but I'll post it again
my top 3
SPL: Pioneer TSW-5000SPL, DD 9500, RE MT
SQL: 04 RE XXX (havent heard the new one yet), 04 Adire Brahma, W7
SQ: IDMAX, Brax Graphic pro, Alumapro Alchemy

fight club
04-14-2006, 02:42 AM
def. go with something that matches your usage. dont buy someone elses system, make sure u tailor it to you and your needs.

Walking Dead
05-09-2006, 08:11 PM
Anyone seen these...new RE XXX:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i13/walking-dead/xxximgetting7zt.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i13/walking-dead/xxxcone8lp.jpg
Or how about these Rockford Fosgate Competition Subs:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i13/walking-dead/RF2212sub.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i13/walking-dead/RF2212SPLSub.jpg
From what I've heard about them..great SPL no good for SQ at all. Don't know if theres truth to that but it makes sense. Resonant Engineering is wicked though!!

Alien41
05-09-2006, 08:13 PM
Memphis Audio has some great subs at killer prices!

green91
05-09-2006, 08:27 PM
Image dynamics subs are the shit. Ive ID subs for years, everyone is amazed at how well they handle power and dont distort. They also enjoy small airspace. Ive also had a jl 12w3 in a virtual tech box that pounded like crazy.

hardknocks
05-27-2006, 11:21 PM
I have read ithis thread and have seen only one person asy anything about the subs that hold the workd record 179.6 Pioneer TSW-5000SPL
now my $.02 goes like this

pioneer tsw 5000spl, RE, DD, Rockford's T2 15s, brahma, crossfire

w7s are descent for SQ only they reach there excursion limits with very little power applied

i have 4 t2 15s and over 20,000 watts of power on them.

I have had Alpha soniks 800series and hit 150+dbs on 3000 watts
again its on how you have the system designed

P. A.
05-28-2006, 03:23 AM
I have read ithis thread and have seen only one person asy anything about the subs that hold the workd record 179.6 Pioneer TSW-5000SPL
now my $.02 goes like this

pioneer tsw 5000spl, RE, DD, Rockford's T2 15s, brahma, crossfire

w7s are descent for SQ only they reach there excursion limits with very little power applied

i have 4 t2 15s and over 20,000 watts of power on them.

I have had Alpha soniks 800series and hit 150+dbs on 3000 watts
again its on how you have the system designed
I totaly agree with you......
is how you design the hole setup....
and oh man ...i'v seen heard done a lot of setups.....
and you will be amazed how some of the less unheard ,unespected subs out there will do ...
some of the best bang for the buck....interfire,db drive,coustic,ma audio,crossfire,mtx....and the list go's on and on....these,will do the same,if not out do a lot of known name brands out there..
just my :2cents:

BanginJimmy
05-28-2006, 04:26 PM
the pioneers are good for SPL, but thats it. Thats why my lists had all three catagories included.

ugcivic
05-28-2006, 06:45 PM
You have to give it to pioneer, coming from that crap that they used to put though, the newer subs are good, and the 3004 is the best bang for the buck in my opinion. I have one only on 500 watts and it hits fine in my civic. But i am trying to spend a lil to get about a 1000 watt amp from someone b/c its rms is at 1000

LS2ner
05-28-2006, 09:44 PM
Diamond Audio, without a doubt for over all clarity and sound.

BLk92DA
06-01-2006, 03:58 AM
W7 in a ported box ftw`

bybyevo
06-06-2006, 04:23 PM
JL w7 or kicker L7 or the new alpine thats out. all i've ever used is kicker and it is good but not as god as JL

BanginJimmy
06-07-2006, 09:25 AM
kicker makes low end SPL subs. JL makes a damn good, but overpriced product. For daily beating I would love to try the new Alpine type X. Either that or see if I can find myself a few 04 or 05 RE XXX 12's

integroid
06-07-2006, 10:38 PM
I think Elemental Design has the best bang for the buck.

an0therh22
06-13-2006, 11:59 PM
my homeboi has one 12w7 and it hits very hard man and plus jl amps stay constant unlike other amps but save up for at least one w7 well worth the buck

TheDeege
07-04-2006, 12:43 AM
Eclipse subs are also really good. They may not hit as hard but they got a real nice clean crisp sound.

splsoarer
07-11-2006, 03:10 PM
RE MT, (CN sounds, T3 audio, soundstream xxx)-all 4 hp motors, atomic, American bass,
DD, Treo,

magneto198
08-07-2006, 10:54 PM
JL is probably your best bet.

BanginJimmy
08-08-2006, 08:35 PM
I just dont understand the obsession people have with JL. simple price to performance comparisons rule them out every time. Wel except the W6v2. Thats a damn nice woofer.

vTeC
08-12-2006, 03:58 PM
I've put in hundreds of Audiobahn subs over the years, and they do hit good for the money, but the sound quality doesn't come close to many other subs. For just bass, yeah get them, but quality I'll always pick JL. Lot of JL haters out there, but they are clean as hell and quite efficient. The only exception for me is the W7 because it takes 5 million watts to power, but the W3, W6 are always great choices. 150-200 "true" watts will slam them. I've had many, many over the years and they will always be my choice sub.

§treet_§peed
08-17-2006, 10:34 PM
I prefer MA Audio, JL Audio, or Rockford Fosgate Kicker.....

baodalazi
09-09-2006, 12:11 AM
jl ftw

DerrickT
09-12-2006, 04:44 PM
For shear volume/SPL I say JLW7s... for overall SQ& SPL its all Diamond Audio for me.

couldnt have said it better myself. ( I work for a rockford, panasonic, DEI distributor...) but i still think JL/Diamond has the best stuff on the market, the newer rockford T1 and T3 speakers are very impressive as well.



and no i will not hook anyone up ;)

BanginJimmy
09-12-2006, 10:59 PM
This thread is making me miss my XXX's even more. Thats OK though. FI audio and me are going to have a long convo in a couple more months to get me right again.

Kyle
10-28-2006, 12:31 AM
JL anything. Eclipse, Alumapro, Boston Acoustics.

LeX
12-20-2006, 11:28 AM
Once i get my next car in Jan doing a nice basic SQ setup.

Going for Rainbow Germaniums up front and prob something from Image Dynamics or older Elemental Designs in the back, sealed box.

Prob not going to splurge too much on the amp, something from Arc perhaps.

Should be good SQ for not too much money

DerrickT
12-20-2006, 05:52 PM
Once i get my next car in Jan doing a nice basic SQ setup.

Going for Rainbow Germaniums up front and prob something from Image Dynamics or older Elemental Designs in the back, sealed box.

Prob not going to splurge too much on the amp, something from Arc perhaps.

Should be good SQ for not too much money

you should check out the rockford fosgate 3sixty.2 if you already haven't. :goodjob:

Dracc
01-17-2007, 02:16 PM
I have 2 MTX 9512's in my regal on 2 jl 1000/1's love them.. those.. and kicker L7's baby lol.. livin loud

khan351
02-02-2007, 09:25 AM
I use the 03 ma audio hard kore 15" for competitions(10k peak/5k rms)
audiobahn is probably the best bang for the buck

alieyuyang88
02-08-2007, 09:37 AM
JL w7, Kicker L7, Orion Hcca Subs, Rockford Fosgate Punch Power Dvc,

jblaudio06
02-08-2007, 02:59 PM
jlw7,kicker l7,XXX solabaric ha whatta beastt

hybrid90accord
02-08-2007, 03:13 PM
JL w7, Kicker L7, Orion Hcca Subs, Rockford Fosgate Punch Power Dvc,

brings back memories my first system was 2 10" RF power dvc in a virtual technologies box running off a rf 1100a2 in a accord wagon 93, can we say LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but i like the w6v2(chich i own and im selling in the garage sale forum)lol, mtx 9500's, Digital design, brahama

MachNU
02-08-2007, 06:05 PM
HELL YEAH THIS THREAD IS STILL GOING ALMOST BEEN AROUND FOR A YEAR!!!!!! YAY A THREAD I CREATED HAS LASTED!!!! :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bigdance: :bigdance: :bigdance: :bigdance:

BanginJimmy
02-08-2007, 09:14 PM
HELL YEAH THIS THREAD IS STILL GOING ALMOST BEEN AROUND FOR A YEAR!!!!!! YAY A THREAD I CREATED HAS LASTED!!!! :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bigdance: :bigdance: :bigdance: :bigdance:



thats cause alot of poeple that really know nothing about audio except what the local shop told them come in and reitterate the same mainstream subs as everyone else.



Oh and JL W6v2 pwns W7

jblaudio06
02-08-2007, 11:53 PM
w7 will outbeat but w6 was so much better SQ..i had 2 12 w6 powered by jl 1000/1....beat hard..

BanginJimmy
02-09-2007, 10:49 AM
actually on a meter in the same car, same amp, and boxes built by the same person. W6v2 was .3db louder on the dash. W7 is only louder because of higher xmax and power handling. watt for watt though w6v2 is louder.

MachNU
02-09-2007, 04:30 PM
i dont care what anyone says i have been using MA Audio for the last three years and am STILL happy with them!!!! there subs dont let me down....

i guess its all in what you love!

yerrow
02-09-2007, 10:42 PM
mine have never let me down either

Kyle
02-09-2007, 10:58 PM
Speaking of W6's I got one for sale and speaking of rockford fosgate power series I got one for sale.

But W6's hit hard as hell, with a jl 500/1 setup it is amazing.

But anyways, I think I am going to have a sweet new setup soon. :ninja: You'll see.

tubby
02-15-2007, 04:53 PM
best bang for buck IMO solobarics

yes or any kicker, the L5's and L7's fuckin beet!

viperbite
02-17-2007, 02:58 AM
id have to say alpine, they are decent priced and the quality is amazing...

LS2ner
03-02-2007, 08:48 PM
D I A M O N D A U D I O

mike's02ls1
03-02-2007, 08:51 PM
JL AUDIO W7 of course...

BanginJimmy
03-03-2007, 04:43 PM
JL AUDIO W7 of course...


one of the more uneducated responses i've seen in this thread. Care to give a reason for such an obvious answer.

R_Rated
03-04-2007, 02:25 PM
some sheltered peeps... best subs would have to include Beyma, adire, RE, Focal, Dynadio... Some mainstream would be like the JL, MTX 9500, Orion H2 and new HCCA.

Best bang for the Buck IMO is alpine type R.

Best sub for what? loud? quality? ported? sealed? bass? clarity? punch?

R_Rated
03-04-2007, 02:27 PM
This thread is making me miss my XXX's even more. Thats OK though. FI audio and me are going to have a long convo in a couple more months to get me right again.

+1 for naming something non retail... something for the true car audio enthusiast! Resonant engineering kicks ass.

Frög
03-04-2007, 04:08 PM
who knows anything about DD's (digital design). they are sick and loudest out there. i kid you not.. they arent well know yet though.

R_Rated
03-04-2007, 04:50 PM
looks neat. I might try them.... what $$$ range are they?

Frög
03-04-2007, 05:17 PM
they are actually really good price.. look them up online..

Tree
03-04-2007, 08:07 PM
go with the new mtx 9500 thunder!! look at thishttp://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/treeloves/meee015.jpg thats a size 13 shoe and they can hold 750 rms and a 1500 max thats on joke

Tree
03-04-2007, 08:09 PM
and by-the-way the new mtx the one i just showed hits harder then the jl w7 12s

SRCRX
03-05-2007, 02:55 PM
oh and doubling something will give you an average SPL increase of 3db. So with a well built box, double cone area, double power and deadened truck You will gain somewhere in the area of 8-10 db. Not 70 db.


:goodjob: :goodjob: GOOD INFORMATION

BanginJimmy
03-05-2007, 05:48 PM
go with the new mtx 9500 thunder!! look at thishttp://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/treeloves/meee015.jpg thats a size 13 shoe and they can hold 750 rms and a 1500 max thats on joke


the MTX 9500's are pretty nice, but they arent all that special. Much smaller than my XXX's and not nearly as loud.

BanginJimmy
03-05-2007, 05:51 PM
who knows anything about DD's (digital design). they are sick and loudest out there. i kid you not.. they arent well know yet though.


DD subs are VERY nice, but they are VERY well known. They arent some new upstart that just doesnt have their name out there yet. They just dont mass market their gear.

I was considering doing the DD 3512f's in my truck for a while, but with all the good things I'm hearing about FI I am leaning towards them now cause they are a little cheaper.



Oh and pioneer premier tsw-5000spl is the loudest sub on earth right now.

mike's02ls1
03-10-2007, 10:27 PM
one of the more uneducated responses i've seen in this thread. Care to give a reason for such an obvious answer.
Well I have tried most of the name brand of subs, and nothing compares to a 12w7 or any w7 serie subs. They are clean, and hit some low notes. Quality is top notch. Just a good all around sub! When I had my 00 Civic Si, I had also had a 12w7 with a 1000/1 and hit a 149.1db. In my 740 wagon I have a 12w7 with a Alpine v12 1000d, but seems the amp isn't up to pushing this sub to its potential so I will be getting a 1000/1 soon.

BanginJimmy
03-10-2007, 11:13 PM
well 1 thing I can say for sure is that you werent anywhere close a 149.1 with a single w7 and 1000/1. I would guess closer at a 139.1 with that.

2. the gay coils from JL are part of the problem with not getting enough power.

3. you are right about it being a good all around sub, bit its not even close to the best in any catagory.

_Christian_
03-11-2007, 09:04 AM
DIGITAL DESIGNS FTW

mike's02ls1
03-11-2007, 09:59 AM
well 1 thing I can say for sure is that you werent anywhere close a 149.1 with a single w7 and 1000/1. I would guess closer at a 139.1 with that.

2. the gay coils from JL are part of the problem with not getting enough power.

3. you are right about it being a good all around sub, bit its not even close to the best in any catagory.
Yeah it was at 149.1 I was a Elite car show in SC, and Pablo was the judge there. I took first in the 1-160 class. But I'n not here to argue, I don't know what meter they used but I think it wasn't the one they use at the db drags.

BanginJimmy
03-12-2007, 04:26 PM
only way you got even close to that score was on the old audio control. It definately was not on the term-lab.

mike's02ls1
03-12-2007, 08:26 PM
only way you got even close to that score was on the old audio control. It definately was not on the term-lab.
May have been this was back in 03, technology has changed since then. You can bring your meter over and we can see what my 12w7 with a Alpine V12 1000 watt hits in a 89 Volvo wagon. With this weak amp I bet I still hitting in the mid to high 130's...

sunburnanger
03-23-2007, 01:01 AM
would it be worth it to buy any kenwood. im also trying to looks for the best bang for the buck setup.

][Deace
Jhh

xenonvisions
04-01-2007, 03:02 PM
2 jl 12w3 with a hifonics 1606d monoblock amp..rock yo hips!

yayo1369
04-14-2007, 01:37 AM
memphis audio m3 MOJO 12" or 15"

B18CDELSLO
04-14-2007, 05:42 AM
memphis audio m3 MOJO 12" or 15"

^ x2 i heard 1 12 on 1000 wat amp:eek: that hit harder then my 2 12 RF T2s with 1100 watt amp

sagarchahal
04-19-2007, 11:55 AM
Jbl

sleepys4
04-24-2007, 04:04 AM
guy I used to compete with was doing 159+ with a single DD9515 in a focus hatch.
edit: that was 159+on the term-lab. One the Audiocontrol SPL180 he was doing 164+

W6v2's > W7
L7 > Solo X because of price toperformance ratio
aidiopawn = garbage
MTX 9500 = very nice and not overlyexpensive
memphis = ok entry level gear except for the belle


Was this focus hatch at Nopi 2 years ago. Blue in color.

Also LOL at everything Transaxle said in this thread, clearly has no clue to car audio.

MachNU
04-24-2007, 02:54 PM
Was this focus hatch at Nopi 2 years ago. Blue in color.

Also LOL at everything Transaxle said in this thread, clearly has no clue to car audio.

yep i dont now shit about audio equipment..... :rolleyes: ..... theres area's that i dont now that much about but i know a good bit about goods subs and installations

BanginJimmy
04-27-2007, 09:16 PM
[QUOTE=sleepys4]Was this focus hatch at Nopi 2 years ago. Blue in colorQUOTE]


black and yellow and I dont think he was at NOPI.

caseyT
05-01-2007, 03:53 PM
JL W7 FTW!!!

BanginJimmy
05-04-2007, 07:27 PM
JL W7 FTW!!!


what exactly do you base this on?

CARTUNES
05-17-2007, 10:50 AM
focal subs with a good amp you cant beat. the only problem is they are soooo power hungry. my favorite is the w6 for me cause on rap music it sounds great!!!

renfrat
07-01-2007, 04:00 AM
dude use what jimmy says he is right on the money i would sujjest but he is 100% correct id max i own one and its for sale its a 1000 watt idq

renfrat
07-01-2007, 04:04 AM
its an idq maxx 2 ohm dvc 12 inch sub asking 250 all over the net its 450 used it for 1 wek and thought it was messed up and acually was my amp it couldnt handle 1 0hm just got 4 re 10,s great subs but remember jimmy is 100% correct

renfrat
07-01-2007, 04:06 AM
jl is overpriced great subs but there are just as good of a sub out there that is going to be much cheaper and will do the same thing hthat jl will do oh yess sorry for too many posts and remember jimmy is right love his post

redrumracer
07-01-2007, 11:14 AM
jl audio

SRCRX
07-01-2007, 11:46 AM
I wounder if dude ever got a sub? or was he just asking what poeple thought??

MachNU
07-01-2007, 01:29 PM
I wounder if dude ever got a sub? or was he just asking what poeple thought??

who?

R_Rated
07-01-2007, 03:24 PM
go with the new mtx 9500 thunder!! look at thishttp://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/treeloves/meee015.jpg thats a size 13 shoe and they can hold 750 rms and a 1500 max thats on joke

In a previos life I have a couple setups with those.

Setup 1: 2, 9500 12's powered by 2, Orion 2500D's
Setup 2: 2, 9500 10's powered by a single Orion 2500D
Setup 3: 4, 9500 10's powered by 2 Orion 2500Ds

wazzyatl
07-02-2007, 11:55 PM
well, it all depends on your budget, the music type and the enclosure... DONT LET ANYONE TELL YOU WRONG, BUT THE RIGHT BOX IS THE DIFFERENCE!!! WEVE HAD THE CRAPIEST SUBS IN THE RIGHT BOX, and WOW!!!!

ive had the jl audio w7's for a while and they were LOOOUD.... 155 DB 2 10's..

i also have the thunder MTX 9500 .. its just as loud... but have a price range that is higher

R_Rated
07-04-2007, 06:08 AM
ive had the jl audio w7's for a while and they were LOOOUD.... 155 DB 2 10's..


that is pretty optimistic.:crazy:

cactusEG
07-04-2007, 10:16 AM
memphis mojo's

Dracc
07-04-2007, 02:22 PM
ive had the jl audio w7's for a while and they were LOOOUD.... 155 DB 2 10's..


JL's dont get loud they get clear.... MTX 9500's have been proven to out perform JL w7's .... i'm a kicker L7 man myself... but i'm gonna change over to some solo x's

Krappy
07-04-2007, 06:54 PM
JL's dont get loud they get clear.... MTX 9500's have been proven to out perform JL w7's .... i'm a kicker L7 man myself... but i'm gonna change over to some solo x's
solo barics go wayy back and have always been good shit...but i had a 12w7 and i loved that shit....even though i couldnt fit that shit no where in my car

fucksohc
07-04-2007, 07:23 PM
rockford T1 ftw!

Low-N-Slow
07-05-2007, 12:04 AM
rockford fosgate, diamond audio and cerwin vega strokers.

BanginJimmy
07-07-2007, 07:45 PM
155 with 2 W7 10's LMFAO

Anyone with even a slight knowlege of car audio knows thats a straight up lie. I doubt you even know what 155 sounds like on the audiocontrol 180, not to mention the 190 or the TL.

R_Rated
07-08-2007, 07:21 PM
155 with 2 W7 10's LMFAO

Anyone with even a slight knowlege of car audio knows thats a straight up lie. I doubt you even know what 155 sounds like on the audiocontrol 180, not to mention the 190 or the TL.

hahaha, I was trying to be nice. People talk about all these subs... I have had most of the mainstream big boys... I am happiest I have been in a long time with 2 IDQ 10s. guess what those hit on the meter?

lsxtreme
07-09-2007, 06:27 PM
best bang for buck IMO solobarics


+1

BanginJimmy
07-10-2007, 04:26 AM
I love the IDQ's

2 IDQ 10's and 400-600rms? I would guess 135-138 legal considering those are really meant for a sealed enclosure so I would guess they were sealed.


Ive thought about doing a wow system by being loud with like 2 10's or maybe a single 12, but at the same time, I've always wanted to do a crazy install with like 8 subs, a ton of fiberglass and 4-5 amps. Decisions, decisions.

R_Rated
07-10-2007, 06:38 AM
I love the IDQ's

2 IDQ 10's and 400-600rms? I would guess 135-138 legal considering those are really meant for a sealed enclosure so I would guess they were sealed.


Ive thought about doing a wow system by being loud with like 2 10's or maybe a single 12, but at the same time, I've always wanted to do a crazy install with like 8 subs, a ton of fiberglass and 4-5 amps. Decisions, decisions.

haha no way. I think they are 150 watts RMS. prolly won't even register on a meter. BUT... they sound better than any other sub mentioned on here for enjoying music.

BanginJimmy
07-11-2007, 07:23 PM
not to knock the IDQ, but my personal fav SQ sub is the IDMAX. better low end extention.

R_Rated
07-13-2007, 05:38 AM
not to knock the IDQ, but my personal fav SQ sub is the IDMAX. better low end extention.

agreed but the reason I went with IDQ is because they are so freakin light and you can put them in .25 cuft box for each one. Also, the IDQ represent more what the music should sound like. My system sounds better than most without subs. I just wanted a little bit extra.

Another point that I think has been overlooked in this thread... and the above is an example of. There is NO perfect overall sub. Totally depends on needs, application and budget. My budget is higher than most on here... I sprung for Utopia Be 3 ways.... but the IDQ were actually pretty cheap.

BTW, I made a statement about my budget to make a point... not to brag. I problably cound of had any subs I wanted. The ones I got were $160.00 each and they are the perfect subs for what I am looking for. Lots of great subs out there. One of my favorite all around subs is the Alpine R. not the most expensive but does a helluva job.

Also as an FYI for most people looking at Image dynamics. I don't think the IDQ is a good fit for most people with systems. These are not good subs to "show off" and be "loud" with. The IDMAX will be a much better multipurpose but incredible sounding sub that would be amazing for most people/posters on this board.

BanginJimmy
07-13-2007, 12:45 PM
I understand exactly what you are saying. If I ever attend a meet or show that you are at I would love to hear your car. I'm still a big fan of big bass and SPL, but I am slowly moving more and more into the SQ area. Definately not competition quality SQ, but a decent 5.1 for movies and something balanced and clean for music.

Dracc
07-15-2007, 01:12 AM
IDQ are cool... my pops has 2 idq 10's in his 74 impala... like them but i'm young they dont move the trunk enough for me lol... i'm thinkin about something knew.. like the pioneer tw5000's

BanginJimmy
07-15-2007, 04:27 PM
you do know tsw-5000spl are comp subs dont you? They sound like complete ass. They can handle crazy power, have crazy excursion and move a shitload of air. But they sound like a wet nacho fart with music.

TI08
08-17-2007, 04:45 PM
hey man for the money the best you will get for your money is mtx 4500,5500, are the best mtx ive heard and the 12's. if your lookin to spend alooooootttttt. go with the kicker solo baric l7's the 06 model 12's in those also with one or two 1000-1 kicker amp, another exspensive stereo would be the jl w7's 12's. with again one or two jl1000-1 amps. but like every one else is saying its all bout the money. for the two mtx and amp to push will be bout 700 dollars, for the kicker about 1000-1500 depending on how many amps you get, and the jl bout the same just a little more.

j225
09-12-2007, 10:13 PM
dd xxx re thos r da best