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VteckTuna
12-12-2005, 09:27 PM
First off I was in Atlanta and spotted a silver skyline (R33 GTS?) that had a bodykit, gold wheels and some of those neon lights under it driving around. It was pretty stock otherwise and had a slightly louder exhaust. He was also being followed (harassed) by a green civic with clear lights and the tag in the window. I got a glance at it and was on my way. On the way home around 5:00 am I see a few cops fly by me (no surprise here) and decide to play chase. Less than a mile later on 75/85 S at the big curve before the tunnels (~2 miles before I-20) I see that this same Skyline has smashed into the back of a car and a Jeep had smashed into the back of it. The same civic was also pulled off to the side. It had just happened as the first ambulance arrived when I did. I got off, looped around and got a picture of it that I will post as soon as I get the camera developed (no digi cam with me). I see no way they could have made it out with no injuries and wouldn't be surprised if they had any serious injuries. The only way I could tell it was the same car was the gold wheels and the paint color as it was crushed on both ends. Anyone know who's car this might be and how the driver is doing?

tony
12-12-2005, 09:30 PM
Not good, if its who I think it is then I hope the driver is okay

The Ren
12-12-2005, 09:36 PM
:( That sucks donkey balls

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 09:39 PM
I know who taht is and i have met him at the stockbridge meet. Its a black guy n i forgot his name. I dont know if that green civic is his but i do hear he has a fast hatch as well. coulda been one of his buddies driving it.

it was a nice car with some mild upgrades. big brake kit, intercooler, hard pipes i believe. he got it from NAD auto. Hope he is ok.

nightracer
12-12-2005, 09:40 PM
Yes I know him.. I think his name is Lance, he's from up North like me. Thats too bad, he had so many plans for that car. :(

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 09:40 PM
yeah thats it. u were there the night we met him

speedminded
12-12-2005, 09:40 PM
1st post, somethings fishy...

nightracer
12-12-2005, 09:42 PM
yeah thats it. u were there the night we met him
Yea I'm kinda good with names. I remember he teleported from stockbridge to, "the track" that one night. lol!

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 09:43 PM
lol

4dmin
12-12-2005, 09:47 PM
no pix - :ttiwwp:

nightracer
12-12-2005, 09:47 PM
Pics or BAN

Halfwit
12-12-2005, 09:48 PM
I know who taht is and i have met him at the stockbridge meet. Its a black guy n i forgot his name. I dont know if that green civic is his but i do hear he has a fast hatch as well. coulda been one of his buddies driving it.

it was a nice car with some mild upgrades. big brake kit, intercooler, hard pipes i believe. he got it from NAD auto. Hope he is ok.

i also me him in stockbridge. the green civic is his friend. thebrake kit on that carwas put on just a couple months ago it costed xxxx.xx alot in the thousands. and the rims. it wassuper clean. at shows,he would spend the whole time cleaning it (and fighting off "groupies")

i4_garage
12-12-2005, 09:49 PM
damn that sucks....i see him driving around OLD dixie hwy sometime....old well ...i do not wish that on my skyline....lol

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 09:49 PM
is the green civic that fast turbo hatch?

anf1tch21
12-12-2005, 09:50 PM
at first i was thinking it was Tripper's Silver Skyline....he has gold rims on it as well...hmm go to www.coolcatracing.com and see if that is the same skyline that got wrecked..that's his website for his company and he had 2 skylines but sold one and kept the silver skyline...lmk if it's the same skyline

Halfwit
12-12-2005, 09:51 PM
no. the green civic has intake/exhaust the hatch isnt ever brought out. as far as i know.

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 09:52 PM
its not tripper's. tripper didnt have neons. and i can bet $2k that the neons on this skyline were blue.

Halfwit
12-12-2005, 09:52 PM
yes like a choral light blue

anf1tch21
12-12-2005, 09:53 PM
yaeh i dont blame u..probably tried to mimic the blue neons from 2 fast 2 gay

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 09:53 PM
If u have his number or his friends number tell him that we hope he is ok and doesnt have any serious injuries. gonna miss that car.

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 09:54 PM
yaeh i dont blame u..probably tried to mimic the blue neons from 2 fast 2 gay
i ws saying that cuz i seen the car before. not becuase i thought it was gay

Halfwit
12-12-2005, 09:56 PM
If u have his number or his friends number tell him that we hope he is ok and doesnt have any serious injuries. gonna miss that car.

i hope hes alright also. last time i hung out with him was a show in fayetteville at toys are us beforer thanksgiving. good times. he /i both won first ! woop

anf1tch21
12-12-2005, 09:57 PM
oops...well..still...

anf1tch21
12-12-2005, 09:58 PM
yea i wonder how he wrecked the skyline..like maybe he lost control or someone hit him or whatever..im curious to know what happened..maybe itll be on the news or something tonight but i doubt it. i hoep hes ok too

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 10:02 PM
judging by what was said seems he was following too close and couldnt stop in time so he hit a car then the person behind him was too close as well and hit him

Halfwit
12-12-2005, 10:04 PM
damn, hes gotta be depressed, but hes also got about 4 other cars. a built,turbo prelude, ect. ect.

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 10:06 PM
guess its an excuse now to get a GTR model

Halfwit
12-12-2005, 10:07 PM
maybe, or maybe no more skylines? did it look repair able? or is he gettin a FAT check?

vtecgsrguy
12-12-2005, 10:17 PM
NO..NO..NO... IF ITS THE ONE FROM CLAYTON CO. IT WAS "NATE"...THATS HIS NAME,I HOPE HE;S OK...U PEOPLE GOT IT ALL WRONG.ITS HIS FRIEND WITH THE GREEN CIVIC...ITS A COUPE,STOCK! JUST SUM MINOR MODS....AND NATE JUS HAS CHANGED OUT HIS NEONS TO THAT BLUE/GREEN COLOR! AND YES THATS HIS HATCH THAT HAS ALL DA CARBON-FIBRE BODY PIECES!!!! I HOPE HE IS OK!!!!!!!

anf1tch21
12-12-2005, 10:19 PM
good luck with his car..

vtecgsrguy
12-12-2005, 10:19 PM
AND IF IT WAS A JEEP CHEEROKE ....THATS ALSO HIS.....

quickdodgeŽ
12-12-2005, 10:21 PM
yea i wonder how he wrecked the skyline..like maybe he lost control or someone hit him or whatever..im curious to know what happened..

Hmmm. Skyline and Civic rollin on the freeway. Got in a wreck? I may be wrong, but to me, it doesn't take rocket science to figure it out. And if I am wrong, I apologize. Later, QD.

vtecgsrguy
12-12-2005, 10:24 PM
WELL U ALWAYS THINKIN LIKE DAT HUH QD????
WELL I KNOW THAT GUY IN DA CIVIC IZ ALWAYS ACTIN A FOOL WHEN HE'S AROUND OTHERS...AND NATE NEVER DRIVES THAT CAR HARD OR HAVE I EVER SEEN HIM SQUEEL A TIRE....I SWEAR.....I JUS HOPE HE'S OK!

quickdodgeŽ
12-12-2005, 10:27 PM
WELL U ALWAYS THINKIN LIKE DAT HUH QD????
WELL I KNOW THAT GUY IN DA CIVIC IZ ALWAYS ACTIN A FOOL WHEN HE'S AROUND OTHERS...AND NATE NEVER DRIVES THAT CAR HARD OR HAVE I EVER SEEN HIM SQUEEL A TIRE....I SWEAR.....I JUS HOPE HE'S OK!

Damn dude. Turn your caps off. I said if I was wrong I apologize. But we don't know if I'm wrong or not, yet. Later, QD.

vtecgsrguy
12-12-2005, 10:32 PM
oh i know.... sorry bout da capz...lol...i was typin fast..lol..c-ya

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 10:34 PM
wait a minute, he wrecked all 3 of his cars in one nite and was only driving one. dang i really do hope comes out ok.

quickdodgeŽ
12-12-2005, 10:37 PM
oh i know.... sorry bout da capz...lol...i was typin fast..lol..c-ya

It's straight, lolol. Later, QD.

The Ren
12-12-2005, 10:38 PM
wait a minute, he wrecked all 3 of his cars in one nite and was only driving one. dang i really do hope comes out ok.
That to me sounds fishy

gtikid
12-12-2005, 10:41 PM
Damn i hope he's alright. And that would really suck if all 3 cars were his. I'd be crying haha. Hope him and his cars and the other drivers are alright

PSINXS
12-12-2005, 10:51 PM
the green civic is his friends(which wasnt in the accident i dont think). but the jeep may be his and the skyline is his. thats messed up.

TheFireMan
12-12-2005, 11:51 PM
First off I was in Atlanta and spotted a silver skyline (R33 GTS?) that had a bodykit, gold wheels and some of those neon lights under it driving around. It was pretty stock otherwise and had a slightly louder exhaust. He was also being followed (harassed) by a green civic with clear lights and the tag in the window. I got a glance at it and was on my way. On the way home around 5:00 am I see a few cops fly by me (no surprise here) and decide to play chase. Less than a mile later on 75/85 S at the big curve before the tunnels (~2 miles before I-20) I see that this same Skyline has smashed into the back of a car and a Jeep had smashed into the back of it. The same civic was also pulled off to the side. It had just happened as the first ambulance arrived when I did. I got off, looped around and got a picture of it that I will post as soon as I get the camera developed (no digi cam with me). I see no way they could have made it out with no injuries and wouldn't be surprised if they had any serious injuries. The only way I could tell it was the same car was the gold wheels and the paint color as it was crushed on both ends. Anyone know who's car this might be and how the driver is doing?



Heyy, Post Pics ASAP :goodjob:

Stormhammer
12-13-2005, 12:11 AM
if that cherokee was his, and that civic was his, and that skyline was his...

so let me get thsi straight - he was driving his own car while being chased by his own car then crashed his own car into his own car and had his own car pulled offf to the accident scene of his own cars?

RandomGuy
12-13-2005, 01:48 AM
i sure hope that skyline was legit...
Or else i think he can get hit w/ charges like VIN Plate alteration and shit.
Either way sux

nightracer
12-13-2005, 02:52 AM
Pics or BAN

JITB
12-13-2005, 05:27 AM
the only skyline i know with neons was that Silver R33 GT with the underglow kit...and FM. black guy that owns it. And he owns that carbon fiber hatch also. hopefully they didnt hurt any INNOCENT people.

Nitro
12-13-2005, 05:43 AM
that's a real cool cat :eek: & and hoping that it wasn't him......... :(
hope you're ok dawg.........

civic95
12-13-2005, 07:38 AM
na na that was Jun's silver skyline you saw, he also got a 91 civic on 20's, a turbo escort, and a lowrider bike. he aight, his friend Nag was in da green civic, he got a scrap bumper but he cool, he got a 99 prelude on some Nos he normally role in. so no worries. nothing but money they can fix it.

speedminded
12-13-2005, 08:35 AM
This sucks...how many freakin people have skylines?!!! i think i've counted 4 "could be's" Where's mine?! :rant:

Nitro
12-13-2005, 08:43 AM
shit.i want 1 too.......... :rant:

B16a2 Civic
12-13-2005, 09:14 AM
i have one

speedminded
12-13-2005, 09:21 AM
i have one1/64 or 1/24 scale? :D

Kevykev
12-13-2005, 09:44 AM
not good!

B16a2 Civic
12-13-2005, 09:59 AM
1/64 or 1/24 scale? :D


real life ho, i race around teh city all night lookin for other racers.

speedminded
12-13-2005, 10:01 AM
real life ho, i race around teh city all night lookin for other racers.speaking of that i watched all the Getaway's in Stockholm's last night :nautjerk:

B16a2 Civic
12-13-2005, 10:03 AM
speaking of that i watched all the Getaway's in Stockholm's last night :nautjerk:


Lol

oh and for anyone who thinks i drive a skyline in Ga, i dont
i drive one in Need for Speed :(, but i drive my IS more.

Tbird_guy
12-13-2005, 11:24 AM
AND IF IT WAS A JEEP CHEEROKE ....THATS ALSO HIS.....


Do you have any idea how many jeep cherokees are in georgia, what are the chances that he got hit by his car....slim to none, don't come on here making rash remarks, gettin errrbody all hopped up on the Q.

about the car, hope the driver is ok, and I an anxiously awaiting pics.

Juicy
12-13-2005, 01:02 PM
na na that was Jun's silver skyline you saw, he also got a 91 civic on 20's, a turbo escort, and a lowrider bike. he aight, his friend Nag was in da green civic, he got a scrap bumper but he cool, he got a 99 prelude on some Nos he normally role in. so no worries. nothing but money they can fix it.


My head hurts after reading that....

TheFireMan
12-13-2005, 01:22 PM
Where are the pics from tha' wreck maaanneeee!?

anf1tch21
12-13-2005, 01:30 PM
yeah where are the picsssssssss

quickdodgeŽ
12-13-2005, 02:14 PM
na na that was Jun's silver skyline you saw, he also got a 91 civic on 20's, a turbo escort, and a lowrider bike. he aight, his friend Nag was in da green civic, he got a scrap bumper but he cool, he got a 99 prelude on some Nos he normally role in. so no worries. nothing but money they can fix it.

Lamar? Later, QD.

VteckTuna
12-13-2005, 04:51 PM
at first i was thinking it was Tripper's Silver Skyline....he has gold rims on it as well...hmm go to www.coolcatracing.com (http://www.coolcatracing.com/) and see if that is the same skyline that got wrecked..that's his website for his company and he had 2 skylines but sold one and kept the silver skyline...lmk if it's the same skyline

Tripper lives in Macon right?
It was definitly not Tripper's.



edit:
The camera has not been developed yet because it was not mine. That picture was the only one left so I will try to get them to develop them tomorrow and post up ASAP.

The Jeep was a Grand Cherokee and I THINK it was silver.

The skyline driver would not get on it, he was driving very calmly. The civic from what I could tell only had an intake, exhaust, I think wheels and clear lights. He was doing burnouts in the middle of Atlanta and tried to get me to race him. The civic had to be friends with him because there was a 4-5 hour separation in the time I saw them and it was the same civic.

There was no damage at all to the sides of the Skyline so it had to hit the fron and rear only.

anf1tch21
12-13-2005, 05:02 PM
no i heard that tripper moved to milledgeville but his company that he owns is in MAcon...that's what i heard..my bro knows his son

JITB
12-13-2005, 05:05 PM
Thers only skyline in GA with neons on it...soo i think we all know who it is..

Ruiner
12-13-2005, 05:46 PM
Thers only skyline in GA with neons on it...soo i think we all know who it is..

That was the same one that was at the Varsity meet a good while back? It was a R33 GTS25?

JITB
12-13-2005, 06:07 PM
yea, a silver r33 GT

IndianStig
12-13-2005, 06:56 PM
hmmmmm.....

anf1tch21
12-13-2005, 06:57 PM
hmmm.........

Rican219
12-13-2005, 07:02 PM
:rly: Hmmmm...........

IndianStig
12-13-2005, 07:03 PM
HmMmMmMm.>.>.>.>.>.

Schugg
12-13-2005, 07:15 PM
That to me sounds fishy


sounds like someone wanted some insurance money

anf1tch21
12-13-2005, 07:18 PM
sounds like someone wanted some insurance money

yup just what i was thinking....hmmmm

:idb: over insurance companies lol

Georgia_boy
12-13-2005, 08:06 PM
sounds like someone wanted some insurance money

if it is the same skyline from stockbridge
a buddy of mine asked him what company would insure a car like that
his reply was "I dont have insurance on it. And the tags from one of my other cars" :doh:
just going on what he said about his car. I dont know if its true or not just what he told us
but that was a couple of weeks ago so.......

i4_garage
12-13-2005, 08:08 PM
^u can not insure a non-legalized skyline

Ruiner
12-13-2005, 09:11 PM
^u can not insure a non-legalized skyline

Correct....well, partially correct. Unless you switch the VINs with a 240SX (illegal, but you might be able to get away with it).

IndianStig
12-13-2005, 09:14 PM
that ninja is gonna get his ass handed to him if he survives, which i hope he does

my mums in the insurance biz and she said someone got in a wreck once with no insurance and had to sell thier home to afford the damages he caused by killing a person


thats gonna suck ass, if hes not injuired and hes okay hes gonna be driving geo metors for the next five years and wish he went into a 10year coma

is he okay tho?

i4_garage
12-13-2005, 10:01 PM
^^^switching VINs ....from wat i know...can only help u get a tag and a title....but when the insurance company come look and estimate a car damage...they will know that its a Skyline or atleast an UFO lol.....but if i had a non-legalize skyline...i would drive it around wit a Dealer tag and hope i never hit or get hit

A.P. Photography
12-13-2005, 10:05 PM
^^^switching VINs ....from wat i know...can only help u get a tag and a title....but when the insurance company come look and estimate a car damage...they will know that its a Skyline or atleast an UFO lol.....but if i had a non-legalize skyline...i would drive it around wit a Dealer tag and hope i never hit or get hit
Actually with as many conversions that going on now it would just seem like a 240 with a lot of modifications. They would insure it as a 240 and that is all.

i4_garage
12-13-2005, 10:06 PM
^^but most insurance company require a part list and receipts ....well unless u are close to the shop that is working on ur car then u can get the money....but iono...it just seem dangerous

Georgia_boy
12-13-2005, 10:11 PM
ive never had an insurance company ask me for any receipts or a parts list

collins
12-13-2005, 10:23 PM
^ditto for me too.

PSINXS
12-13-2005, 10:25 PM
only timed i was asked for receipts was for agreed value insurance.

JoeCoolinATL
12-13-2005, 11:19 PM
somethign sounds shady.

blackboi50
12-13-2005, 11:29 PM
^^^switching VINs ....from wat i know...can only help u get a tag and a title....but when the insurance company come look and estimate a car damage...they will know that its a Skyline or atleast an UFO lol.....but if i had a non-legalize skyline...i would drive it around wit a Dealer tag and hope i never hit or get hit

Hahahaha......he said UFO.......that was great +1........................1

SpecV_Scott
12-14-2005, 02:52 AM
You all have it wrong. It was a guy I know who is a freelance street racer. The car is really a R34 GT-R. He's put SOOO much time and money into that car, it was his whole life. He bought it from a used car dealership in Texas (yeah, crazy, huh?!!)....it was all beat up and green back then, but he's since fixed it up (obviously). Anyway, his name is Brian O'Conner, and it's ok. I saw him driving around in a green EVO, so I guess he's over the Skyline. That thing had too much NAWS in it anyway. Like THREE bottles! He's lucky the car didn't blow up when he hit that Civic. And speaking of that Civic...it was a black turbo coupe, which also has green neons. some friend of his from California owns it. Anyway, just wanted to set the record straight. L8r.

JITB
12-14-2005, 04:55 AM
"freelance street racer"

Ruiner
12-14-2005, 09:35 AM
You all have it wrong. It was a guy I know who is a freelance street racer. The car is really a R34 GT-R. He's put SOOO much time and money into that car, it was his whole life. He bought it from a used car dealership in Texas (yeah, crazy, huh?!!)....it was all beat up and green back then, but he's since fixed it up (obviously). Anyway, his name is Brian O'Conner, and it's ok. I saw him driving around in a green EVO, so I guess he's over the Skyline. That thing had too much NAWS in it anyway. Like THREE bottles! He's lucky the car didn't blow up when he hit that Civic. And speaking of that Civic...it was a black turbo coupe, which also has green neons. some friend of his from California owns it. Anyway, just wanted to set the record straight. L8r.

I just lost IQ points after reading that...

Ms Dollar
12-14-2005, 10:02 AM
You all have it wrong. It was a guy I know who is a freelance street racer. The car is really a R34 GT-R. He's put SOOO much time and money into that car, it was his whole life. He bought it from a used car dealership in Texas (yeah, crazy, huh?!!)....it was all beat up and green back then, but he's since fixed it up (obviously). Anyway, his name is Brian O'Conner, and it's ok. I saw him driving around in a green EVO, so I guess he's over the Skyline. That thing had too much NAWS in it anyway. Like THREE bottles! He's lucky the car didn't blow up when he hit that Civic. And speaking of that Civic...it was a black turbo coupe, which also has green neons. some friend of his from California owns it. Anyway, just wanted to set the record straight. L8r.

I don't think that he said anything about the skyline hitting the Civic. The Skyline rear ended an unknown vehicle at this point. A Jeep Grand Cherokee rear ended the Skyline. The Civic was just pulled off to the side of the road. But good try though!

The Ren
12-14-2005, 10:07 AM
I don't think that he said anything about the skyline hitting the Civic. The Skyline rear ended an unknown vehicle at this point. A Jeep Grand Cherokee rear ended the Skyline. The Civic was just pulled off to the side of the road. But good try though!
Brandi hun he was kidding that it was the F & F...

Ms Dollar
12-14-2005, 10:13 AM
huh? oh...sorry haha. what's f&f?? help me out Ren you can't just leave me in the dark...

B16a2 Civic
12-14-2005, 10:14 AM
Fast and the furious

Ms Dollar
12-14-2005, 10:16 AM
oh...thanks sweetie...i never would have guessed that.

B16a2 Civic
12-14-2005, 10:18 AM
no doubt sugar plum

The Ren
12-14-2005, 10:21 AM
huh? oh...sorry haha. what's f&f?? help me out Ren you can't just leave me in the dark...
lol.. sorry i was fighting with a kid who im'd me saying his skyline would beat me..

B16a2 Civic
12-14-2005, 10:25 AM
lol.. sorry i was fighting with a kid who im'd me saying his skyline would beat me..


im not kid, and my skyline will win, when do you wanna link up ps2's and play Need for speed underground 2 !!!

Ms Dollar
12-14-2005, 10:26 AM
jeez ren...

DrivenMind
12-14-2005, 11:07 AM
I just want to know if a certain famous rapper is friends with the guy who drives the skyline... I think he negotiates his races and shit with pink S200s, red RX-7s, and a fucking ugly orange Supra with a hood that melts.

The Ren
12-14-2005, 11:09 AM
jeez ren...
It actually ended up the dude was pretty legit.. or he just knew his shit..

anf1tch21
12-14-2005, 11:14 AM
It actually ended up the dude was pretty legit.. or he just knew his shit..

lets hope so, otherwise he's in a deep hole of shyt

SpecV_Scott
12-14-2005, 09:53 PM
I just want to know if a certain famous rapper is friends with the guy who drives the skyline... I think he negotiates his races and shit with pink S200s, red RX-7s, and a fucking ugly orange Supra with a hood that melts.

Yeah, he's got da phatty LV NSX. WHAT!

CapnNismo
01-18-2006, 04:49 PM
It was not Tripper. Check the Nissan section of this forum and you'll see his silver GTR is alive and well.

He did not sell his R32 GTR ... he still has both of his GTRs and recently bought a second R33 (Big Bird).

He still lives in Macon. He did not move to Milledgeville. His son moved to Milledgeville to go to school there. CCR is also in Macon.

Amazing the rumors that this forum will generate, lol.

2.0 under pressure
02-15-2006, 02:33 PM
It was not Tripper. Check the Nissan section of this forum and you'll see his silver GTR is alive and well.

He did not sell his R32 GTR ... he still has both of his GTRs and recently bought a second R33 (Big Bird).

He still lives in Macon. He did not move to Milledgeville. His son moved to Milledgeville to go to school there. CCR is also in Macon.

Amazing the rumors that this forum will generate, lol.



You all are wrong for the most part.......Except Brian


His name is Nate, he had a 1997 R33 gts rwd, with work vx-xx gold mesh wheels, he is a good friend of mine. His civic is carbon fiber( Full-Race) build up, It doesn't see the streets, last time I checked it wasn't finished yet....


He is in the Hospital in and out of a coma, He had a dealer's license, that is how he drove the car.........Dealer license and tag.....

PSINXS
02-15-2006, 02:35 PM
I hope he gets better and fully recovers from the comatose state.

2.0 under pressure
02-15-2006, 02:38 PM
I hope he gets better and fully recovers from the comatose state.



+1 me too, thanks

TIGERJC
02-15-2006, 04:19 PM
yea i heard he was really fuck up and once he comes back around he is in some serious trouble. I wish the best for him and i hope to see him back soon at the southside meets

vtecgsrguy
02-15-2006, 04:25 PM
yeah thankx...ive known nate for a while now & he's a good guy & i hope the best for him. not only is he a good guy but that car was da shiznit!!!...but get well nate !! :goodjob:

TIGERJC
02-15-2006, 04:31 PM
he is a cool guy and i knoe he babied the shit out of the car. I knew he didnt race or do really anything in that car, so i doubt he caused the wreck. but i would like to know what happened in detail, b/c im curious as hell