What's our El Presidente to do?

[Echonova]

Obama...

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/hhopkens/obama.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/hhopkens/media/obama.gif.html)

clearly told Putin...

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t283/gargoyle_07/putin-horse.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle_07/media/putin-horse.jpg.html)

to stay out of the Ukraine or suffer some non-nondescript punishment from the "international community".

Russia approves use of military in Ukraine - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/russia-approves-military-ukraine-162315025.html)

Now what?

[BanginJimmy]

He will do the same thing he did with the "red line" in Syria. He will fold.


He really doesnt have a choice but to fold though. Hagel has already stated Obama's plan to reduce military manpower back to pre WW2 levels. He has also come out and said we will no longer enjoy a military dominance under his leadership.



On a side note, I could actually go along with what Obama was doing if the cuts were left unspent and used to reduce deficits and debt. Its not though, he just plans on spending that money on expanded handout programs and "infrastructure" projects.

[Echonova]

Russian troops take over Ukraine's Crimea region - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-troops-over-ukraines-crimea-region-200052097.html)

[BanginJimmy]

Like I said, he will do nothing. Well, he may come out later this week and claim he didn't say what he said, but that's it. Putin is looking to bring back the old Soviet days and he found a useful idiot in the whore house that will only be too happy to comply.

[-EnVus-]

He will bitch about how he wants to act now but not make a move till EU opens its mouths and NATO is on board.

[Echonova]

He will bitch about how he wants to act now but not make a move till EU opens its mouths and NATO is on board.Well he has a pen and a phone, he could just do it himself if the international community won't do anything.

Plus it's after the election... He has more flexibility now.

[-EnVus-]

Well he has a pen and a phone, he could just do it himself if the international community won't do anything.

Plus it's after the election... He has more flexibility now.
He wouldn't wanna be the president forever know as the Black one who went to war with Russia lol

[Echonova]

"President Obama expressed his deep concern over Russia's clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity, which is a breach of international law," the White House said after the leaders spoke for 90 minutes on Saturday. - Reuters



Shit's getting serious now. A 90 minute phone call. Putin must be hiding in his basement in complete fear and terror after that.

If this continues to escalate at this pace Putin will receive a iPod filled with Obama's greatest speeches by the end of the week.

[BanginJimmy]

"President Obama expressed his deep concern over Russia's clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity, which is a breach of international law," the White House said after the leaders spoke for 90 minutes on Saturday. - Reuters



Shit's getting serious now. A 90 minute phone call. Putin must be hiding in his basement in complete fear and terror after that.

If this continues to escalate at this pace Putin will receive a iPod filled with Obama's greatest speeches by the end of the week.


They can meet in Paris when Hollande hands over the keys to the city.


What is really funny to me though is that this is as much a sign of European politics as anything else. Russia doesnt fear European militaries because the Euros have leaned so heavily on the US for their defense for decades. Instead of spending appropriate money on their own defense, they spent it on domestic programs.

[Echonova]

Indeed. Wonder if they would like that missile defense program now...

[BanginJimmy]

Indeed. Wonder if they would like that missile defense program now...

Or maybe a division or 2 of tanks of their own.

[Sinfix_15]

Putin should listen to Obama and ignore the nazi and radical islam uprisings in Europe.

Not always a good thing to let the grasshoppers run the ants out of town, south africa for example.

http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/00-ukrainian-rioter-01-31-01-141.jpg

[gogriz91]

We've figured out where he was during Benghazi...(It's as plausible an explanation as any that has been offered)

Inside The White House Movie Theater (http://news.yahoo.com/photos/inside-the-white-house-movie-theater-1393530635-slideshow/)

Maybe he'll head there for this crisis?

[Echonova]

US prepares tough response for Russia over Ukraine - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/us-prepares-tough-response-russia-over-ukraine-205657626--politics.html?vp=1)

[BanginJimmy]

US prepares tough response for Russia over Ukraine - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/us-prepares-tough-response-russia-over-ukraine-205657626--politics.html?vp=1)

Yea, they are going to boycott the prep meetings for the G8.


The thing to remember is that Putin doesnt care about foreign sentiment.

[TIGERJC]

SMH... The President does not know how to win a hand when it comes to bluffing. Don't make threats when countries know you're decreasing military spending and they know you have no desire to start any new wars.

The President should not make empty threats, but instead let his actions speak. The fact that he is not willing to get the military involved is the only reason I voted for him in 08. It’s time for the U.S. to stop sacrificing our Men and Women and our Wealth on conflicts around the world. We have spent around 4 trillion dollars on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Just imagine if that money was spent on infrastructures, education, science and grants for new businesses here in the U.S.

You cannot go starting any mess in Russia's backyard and not expect there to be serious consequences. Remember we have the NATO missile defense system and Russia does not have too many allies like the old days. I wouldn't want to start any hostilities so close to their borders. You can only back a dog so far in to a corner before it has no choice but to bite first.

[Vteckidd]

I mean this is nothing new, hes incredibly inept at foreign affairs. This is like the 5th time hes been backed into folding because hes unwilling to be "a war president".

which im ok with, except like Jimmy said, he wants to use the defense cuts on making sure poor people have free healthcare and higher minimum wage.

[BanginJimmy]

SMH... The President does not know how to win a hand when it comes to bluffing. Don't make threats when countries know you're decreasing military spending and they know you have no desire to start any new wars.

The President should not make empty threats, but instead let his actions speak. The fact that he is not willing to get the military involved is the only reason I voted for him in 08. It’s time for the U.S. to stop sacrificing our Men and Women and our Wealth on conflicts around the world. We have spent around 4 trillion dollars on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Just imagine if that money was spent on infrastructures, education, science and grants for new businesses here in the U.S.

You cannot go starting any mess in Russia's backyard and not expect there to be serious consequences. Remember we have the NATO missile defense system and Russia does not have too many allies like the old days. I wouldn't want to start any hostilities so close to their borders. You can only back a dog so far in to a corner before it has no choice but to bite first.


We tried isolationism before and we still ended up in WW2. I don't really disagree with you though. War has become less about the military and more about the politicians. Where has that gotten us? Vietnam, first gulf war, Iraq war, asscrackistan, and hearts and minds over violence and firepower.

On the other side of the coin, how many more times can we be punked before someone takes a shot at us?


Lasty, Obama already ditched the missile defense sites in Poland and the Czech Republic to appease Putin.

[TIGERJC]

We tried isolationism before and we still ended up in WW2. I don't really disagree with you though. War has become less about the military and more about the politicians. Where has that gotten us? Vietnam, first gulf war, Iraq war, asscrackistan, and hearts and minds over violence and firepower.

On the other side of the coin, how many more times can we be punked before someone takes a shot at us?


Lasty, Obama already ditched the missile defense sites in Poland and the Czech Republic to appease Putin.
To me Isolationism would be better for us and the world. I am against globalization, as I believe there will all ways be winners and losers in the world no matter what. It is not our job to make those selections in the world, and no where in the Constitution does it say that we have a responsibility to the rest of the world. I feel war should be saved until you're willing to do the unimaginable in order to win, and I think if more people felt that way then there would be a lot less wars the U.S. would be so willing to jump in to.

Policies changes whenever someone new is elected in this country,and meddling in other countries affairs is a long term commitment that must be adhered to by future policy makers. I only support these endless wars if we were imperialistic (Financial benefited), but we're not since that does not match our values.

Yes we still ended up in WW2 but at least we came out ahead in both wars. We wouldn't be the richest nation if it wasn't for the fact that we stayed on the sidelines and sold weapons and goods to the rest of the world that was at war.

[BanginJimmy]

We wouldn't be the richest nation if it wasn't for the fact that we stayed on the sidelines and sold weapons and goods to the rest of the world that was at war.

WW2 had very little to do with the wealth that US citizens have amassed since the 1929 crash. That wealth came from the flood of innovation that took place. It came from a rise in standard of living the world has never seen before. Most importantly though, it came from a strong work ethic among the middle class. Yes, there were some major contractors that made out huge during the war, but that was a small group.

In the 20 years after the end of WW2 you had 3 major sectors of the economy come into their own. First you had commercial avaition, which was limited to only the wealthy before the war. Second, you had the massive growth in private vehicles. This created huge employment gains in manufacturing and all of the associated fields. Third was the interstate program started after the Korean War under Eisenhower.

The ripple effect of growth in those sectors combined with the shortage of manpower caused by casualties during the wars lead to high wages and low unemployment. The men coming back into the work force were very skilled and very resourceful, which only added to the profits of their employers and in turn, increased growth.


What were we talking about again?

[TIGERJC]

WW2 had very little to do with the wealth that US citizens have amassed since the 1929 crash. That wealth came from the flood of innovation that took place. It came from a rise in standard of living the world has never seen before. Most importantly though, it came from a strong work ethic among the middle class. Yes, there were some major contractors that made out huge during the war, but that was a small group.

In the 20 years after the end of WW2 you had 3 major sectors of the economy come into their own. First you had commercial avaition, which was limited to only the wealthy before the war. Second, you had the massive growth in private vehicles. This created huge employment gains in manufacturing and all of the associated fields. Third was the interstate program started after the Korean War under Eisenhower.

The ripple effect of growth in those sectors combined with the shortage of manpower caused by casualties during the wars lead to high wages and low unemployment. The men coming back into the work force were very skilled and very resourceful, which only added to the profits of their employers and in turn, increased growth.


What were we talking about again?
I agree with all of that except the part where you said WW2 had little to do with us amassing so much wealth.
We dominated manufacturing (Our bread and butter) after WW2 since most of Europe and its factories were in ruins. Yes the automobiles helped spurn the growth of the middle class, but American manufactures benefited from the lack of competitions which in large part was due to the lack of factories and man power around the world. I agree with the strong work ethic, but we have always had a strong work ethic. We still do if you look at U.S. workers productivity numbers and yes innovation has helped those number.

We were talking about the Next great war. Every year it is something, I still can't believe those idiots in Washington voted for the IRAQ war. Most of the Country knew that war was bullshit, but Iraq was a pawn in the middle East that kept it in balance. If Iran every got close to a nuke, Saddam would have invaded and if we provided support we could have toppled Iran. However I would not want to eliminate Iran, since they also served a purpose in keeping Iraq and Saudi Arabia in check.

This is why I don't believe we need to go around and meddle in other countries affairs. The World will always have their conflicts, and we should just watch from a far until we suspect it is a danger to our national security (No more treaties with smaller nations).

[Echonova]

4 Reasons Putin Is Already Losing in Ukraine - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/4-reasons-putin-already-losing-ukraine-211452971.html?vp=1)



Meanwhile in Russia...

Putin: Russia has right to use force in Ukraine - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/putin-russia-force-ukraine-111417640.html)

[Vteckidd]

Well according to their agreements, he has every Russian right to go into the Ukraine.

EHH its a fight we should stay out of. This problem happened 5 years ago, Obama has doubled down on staying away and out of conflicts, he either stays the course, or risks looking even weaker with empty threats

[Echonova]

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j402/Echonova2/6f08y7z_zpsefc094c9.jpg

[Echonova]

LOL


















Russia Just Test-Fired An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (http://jalopnik.com/russia-just-test-fired-an-intercontinental-ballistic-mi-1536273636?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebo ok&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

[Echonova]

Perhaps my fears were premature... I forgot John Kerry was on the job.


Putin cools tensions in Ukraine, Kerry in Kiev - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/putin-cools-tensions-ukraine-kerry-kiev-210507223.html?vp=1)

[BanginJimmy]

EHH its a fight we should stay out of. This problem happened 5 years ago, Obama has doubled down on staying away and out of conflicts, he either stays the course, or risks looking even weaker with empty threats

Exactly. As long as no NATO nations are directly threatened we need to leave this alone and let Europe deal with it. The world complains about the US getting involved in everything, its time we sat out a while and let the world rethink their stance.


Is this a good time to get on my soapbox about dumping the UN or should I watch them flail about uselessly for a while first?

[BanginJimmy]

Perhaps my fears were premature... I forgot John Kerry was on the job.


Putin cools tensions in Ukraine, Kerry in Kiev - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/putin-cools-tensions-ukraine-kerry-kiev-210507223.html?vp=1)

And our vaunted nation security team and state dept probably fell for this too.


The only reason Putin is stopping now is the create a new normal, just like he did with Georgia. As soon as the world takes the current situation as normal, Ukraine can kiss the rest of the Easter half of their country good bye. Or maybe it will be one of another half dozen former soviet states thats next on the agenda.

[Echonova]

Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/russia-warns-could-reduce-zero-economic-dependency-us-083926261.html?vp=1)

[Sinfix_15]

Might be a silly question, but can anyone explain why it wouldnt benefit us for russia to envade ukraine?

[BanginJimmy]

Might be a silly question, but can anyone explain why it wouldnt benefit us for russia to envade ukraine?

No direct impact on the US either way. Massive impact is possible, even likely, for the rest of Europe.

[Echonova]

Obama signed an executive order. What courage in the face of evil.


Truly a leader a cut above all his predecessors.

Meanwhile in other news, no way this could go wrong.
U.S. To Bolster Air Defense Along Russian Border: What That Means (http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/u-s-to-bolster-air-defense-along-russian-border-what-1537222204?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebo ok&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

[Vteckidd]

I think he revoked passports or something today.

Such Strong
Much Leader
WOW

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-34342-Obama-spinning-Doge-gif-Imgur-FJ1H.gif

[Echonova]

Might be a silly question, but can anyone explain why it wouldnt benefit us for russia to envade ukraine?Uh. They need a Black Sea port for their Navy... Not seeing how that is a benefit to us.

Or we can accept a reputable source of news like thinkprogress.com... They can explain while nobody saw this coming, it's not a failure of intelligence, merely that smart people see things differently. #LOL

Why It's Wrong To Claim U.S. Intel 'Failed' To Predict Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/03/06/3368741/intelligence-russia-ukraine/#)

[Sinfix_15]

Crimea decides to hold a vote to determine whether they will belong to ukraine or russia, Obama rejects this solution because it violates ukraines constitution.........

Lol democracy.....


Can someone send Obama a copy of the US constitution?

[Sinfix_15]

Uh. They need a Black Sea port for their Navy... Not seeing how that is a benefit to us.

Or we can accept a reputable source of news like thinkprogress.com... They can explain while nobody saw this coming, it's not a failure of intelligence, merely that smart people see things differently. #LOL

Why It's Wrong To Claim U.S. Intel 'Failed' To Predict Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/03/06/3368741/intelligence-russia-ukraine/#)
Ukraine is a fascist country that is filled with flag waving nazis. They also want nuclear weapons.

Russian navy really a threat to US?

Id rather have a stable rival get stronger than an unstable "ally" get stronger.

Plus, what about "democracy"? Theres a lot of russia supporters in ukraine.

[Echonova]

Russian navy really a threat to US?You obviously have no concept of history #thingsblankcdwouldsay

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z114/RealGoldfinger/DSC04038.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/RealGoldfinger/media/DSC04038.jpg.html)

[BanginJimmy]

You obviously have no concept of history #thingsblankcdwouldsay

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z114/RealGoldfinger/DSC04038.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/RealGoldfinger/media/DSC04038.jpg.html)

Great book, mediocre movie.

[Browning151]

Crimea decides to hold a vote to determine whether they will belong to ukraine or russia, Obama rejects this solution because it violates ukraines constitution.........

Since when has Obama been concerned with constitutions?

[Sinfix_15]

I
You obviously have no concept of history #thingsblankcdwouldsay

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z114/RealGoldfinger/DSC04038.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/RealGoldfinger/media/DSC04038.jpg.html)
Speaking to the comparison...

Ukraine with nukes vs russian navy.

Call me crazy...... but i dont see russia or any other country rolling up on our beaches anytime soon.

Biggest threat to the US is our open boarders and our very own politicians.

[-EnVus-]

Russia Just Test-Fired An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (http://jalopnik.com/russia-just-test-fired-an-intercontinental-ballistic-mi-1536273636?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebo ok&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)
Just reminds us how out of date Russian technology is compared to the rest of the world....I think Africa has a ICBM now






Might be a silly question, but can anyone explain why it wouldnt benefit us for russia to envade ukraine?
Russia has a old everlasting beef with Poland and the polish have implied if Russia breaks Ukraine borders to the North it will attack.

[Echonova]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x249/Echonova1/obama-spelling3_zps40d1fd50.jpg

[ISAtlanta300]

[QUOTE=Sinfix_15;39535509]
Call me crazy...... but i dont see russia or any other country rolling up on our beaches anytime soon.[QUOTE]

It happened in Call of Duty, Modern Warfare 3......


oh wait...

[Sinfix_15]

I wonder what the UN would say if Putin drone striked a few people in Ukraine?


Can you only do that if you have a peace prize?

[Echonova]

Ukraine standoff intensifies, Russia says sanctions will 'boomerang' | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140307?feedType=RSS)

[-EnVus-]

Ukraine standoff intensifies, Russia says sanctions will 'boomerang' | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140307?feedType=RSS)
Russia will sanction the mail order brides,Vodka and Child porn

[Echonova]

Russia will sanction the mail order brides,Vodka and Child pornSo it's to be WWW III then...

[-EnVus-]

So it's to be WWW III then...
If you ever seen the Christian movie Megiddo: The Omega Code 2 you see the Apocalypse is rained in by Russia and Middle eastern country like Syria fighting NATO and United states.
I was bored one night and actually watched the movie and it wasnt all that bad but now all i think of is it with current events.
Russia has shown it is scared of sanctions from crying threats once it was mentioned. Yes they could be but hurt if the US did it but cant afford for the EU to and that scares them.

[BanginJimmy]

The issue with sanctions is that if they are too weak, they do nothing. If hey are too strict, they could be a catalyst for full scale war.

A VERY simplified history lesson. Before WW2, Japan wanted to keep the US out of the war in the Pacific. It wasnt until we fully cut them off from steel shipments that they saw us as taking sides and as a possible aggressor. At that point, they decided to act first. We all know what happened after that.


In the case of Russia, too strict of sanctions could easily give Putin the leverage he needs to move west, all the way to Poland, or Germany if he wants to. I dont think NATO could do anything more than give him a bloody nose at this point either.

Side note: If the US gets too involved in a war n a buildup in Europe, Taiwan will likely come under attack from China. S. Korea will likely be attacked by the North. You can expect Al Queda to step up attacks all over the middle East. Iran will likely put their strength into an attack on Israel.


Those of you that hate US involvement overseas, this is just a small idea of how many regions stay pretty much peaceful only because of a US presence. Like it or hate it, the US is a stabilizing force wherever it goes, even in areas it is waging war.

[Echonova]

I know this story has been put on the back burner... But OOHHHHH HHHAAAAIIIIIIII


Crimeans vote to leave Ukraine, join Russia - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/crimeans-vote-leave-ukraine-join-russia-230724655.html)

[Sinfix_15]

I know this story has been put on the back burner... But OOHHHHH HHHAAAAIIIIIIII


Crimeans vote to leave Ukraine, join Russia - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/crimeans-vote-leave-ukraine-join-russia-230724655.html)

Excellent! The democratic solution that Obama wanted.

We should send support to Russia to defend democracy in Crimea.

[-EnVus-]

I know this story has been put on the back burner... But OOHHHHH HHHAAAAIIIIIIII


Crimeans vote to leave Ukraine, join Russia - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/crimeans-vote-leave-ukraine-join-russia-230724655.html)

Issue is now the other bandwagon followers will cause what war didnt happen yet to come sooner. I read this BS also...


In Donetsk, one of the main cities in eastern Ukraine, pro-Russia demonstrators called Sunday for a referendum similar to the one in Crimea
AOL.com Article - Crimeans overwhelmingly vote for secession (http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/16/high-turnout-for-secession-vote-in-crimea/20851010/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D454445)

[Sinfix_15]

Our government backed terrorists in syria. We backed terrorists in egypt and now we back terrorists in ukraine.

Obama kept his promise.... the war AGAINST terror did end, and we started financing it.

Democracy happened in crimea...... if the US gets involved, then true colors will be revealed.

[Sinfix_15]

http://rt.com/op-edge/democratic-referendum-in-crimea-ukraine-330/

Democracy

[BanginJimmy]

http://rt.com/op-edge/democratic-referendum-in-crimea-ukraine-330/

Democracy

Nice unbiased article.


Its pretty well known that the Crimea is pro Russian, but you cant really hold a vote and gun point and call it legitimate.

[Sinfix_15]

Nice unbiased article.


Its pretty well known that the Crimea is pro Russian, but you cant really hold a vote and gun point and call it legitimate.
Ukraine is the one holding people at gun point. Its ukraine dressing up like the fucking dark side of the force and ruling their streets with an iron fist. Are you really surpised that the people dont support the fascist gov of ukraine? If anything, Putin protected voters. How many Russian shots fired????

Since when did Obama care about voter intimidation or the integrity of elections??????????

That article is spot on.

[-EnVus-]

So lets see Russia has pissed off everyone but the Muslim world oh wait....Never mind
Tatar Sunni Muslims pose a threat to Russia's occupation of Crimea | World news | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/tartar-ukraine-sunni-muslims-threat-russian-rule-crimea)

[Echonova]

Hey.


Hey!!!


HEY!!!!



Obama is on it.



By executive order he seized 7... Yes 7 of Putins advisers over-seas bank accounts.



TAKE THAT COMMIE PIGS!!!!!! BBBBBBHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Sinfix_15]

So lets see Russia has pissed off everyone but the Muslim world oh wait....Never mind
Tatar Sunni Muslims pose a threat to Russia's occupation of Crimea | World news | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/tartar-ukraine-sunni-muslims-threat-russian-rule-crimea)
Muslims oppose anyone occupying any space. Islam in a man is like rabies in a dog.

I guess that helps me to understand the community organizer's interest in the ukraine. He must be hoping for the islam disease to spread there. He also gets to sanction a major energy supplier. The dreams of his father..

[Browning151]

Hey.


Hey!!!


HEY!!!!



Obama is on it.



By executive order he seized 7... Yes 7 of Putins advisers over-seas bank accounts.



TAKE THAT COMMIE PIGS!!!!!! BBBBBBHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

That oughta teach 'em. What a joke.

President no-nuts motto: Speak loudly and carry a wet noodle.

[Echonova]

I have never seen a mid-level goon openly mock our President before... And on Twitter no less.

This was the kindest version of the story to our dear El Presidente I could find.
Russian Deputy PM Laughs at Obama’s Sanctions - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/russian-deputy-pm-laughs-at-obamas-sanctions/)


On the upside Obama has indeed "reset relations" with the Russians just as he promised. Check that one off the list.

[BanginJimmy]

As I have said before, I spend more time reading comments than I do articles these days. They are quite amusing and really do show off the ignorance of them American electorate.

[-EnVus-]

In my eyes things are about to take a quick turn for the worst with EU adopting the UK. I know watching from history that Russia has all the influence and eyes on Ukraine and have said they will NEVER allow a western intervention. The EU has wanted UK to join its region of power since the late 90's and Russia has threaten already war if this happens. Also in the News is Poland wanting a faster measure from the United States to build the Self deffense sites in its country. We all know what Russia has said would happen it these are built and it had the word ICBM involved.

"Crimea goes east, Ukraine goes west in 2 new deals"
AOL.com Article - Crimea goes east, Ukraine goes west in 2 new deals (http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/21/crimea-goes-east-ukraine-goes-west-in-2-new-deals/20854432/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D456525)

[BanginJimmy]

This whole thing is really degrading fast. You can also add the new maneuvers Russia is running along the border with Estonia. They claim to fear for the Russian nationals there now.


The similarities between Russia's actions now and those of Germany in the run up to WW2 are amazing.

[Echonova]

Put yourself in Putin's shoes...


Who in this world is going to stop you?

France? Nope.

Great Britain? Love the Brits but no

Switzerland? Hahahahahaha

Spain? Hell no

United States? Bitch please, we can't even fix a website. How are we going to take on an entire country? Even if we weren't 17 trillion dollars in debt and could afford another war, President limp-wrist doesn't have the balls.

China? No. We should be worried that China doesn't take Putin up on his 2008 offer to collaborate and collapse our economy. Because that would take all of three days and never waste a bullet.

Iran? They want the 12 Imam, they ain't stopping shit even if they could.

Israel? They got enough problems on their own. Plus Obama and his administration hasn't exactly been friendly to them. Hell our beloved John Kerry's source of wealth (that he married into) is behind a boycott of Israel... While he is our Secretary of State.

Mexico? There are no tortillas or free government services for illegals in Ukraine. No care.

Canada? They might be the world's last best hope.

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This just in... Shots fired at a Ukrainian Air Base.

Shots fired at Ukrainian base in Crimea - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/shots-fired-ukrainian-crimea-153806569.html?clear=cache)

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Put yourself in Putin's shoes...


Who in this world is going to stop you?

France? Nope.

Great Britain? Love the Brits but no

Switzerland? Hahahahahaha

Spain? Hell no

United States? Bitch please, we can't even fix a website. How are we going to take on an entire country? Even if we weren't 17 trillion dollars in debt and could afford another war, President limp-wrist doesn't have the balls.

China? No. We should be worried that China doesn't take Putin up on his 2008 offer to collaborate and collapse our economy. Because that would take all of three days and never waste a bullet.

Iran? They want the 12 Imam, they ain't stopping shit even if they could.

Israel? They got enough problems on their own. Plus Obama and his administration hasn't exactly been friendly to them. Hell our beloved John Kerry's source of wealth (that he married into) is behind a boycott of Israel... While he is our Secretary of State.

Mexico? There are no tortillas or free government services for illegals in Ukraine. No care.

Canada? They might be the world's last best hope.

I dont understand WHY he should be stopped.

Putin is helping citizens overthrow a fascist government... with the support of citizens.

Im jealous.......

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The same army and riot police thst have been killing citizens are now cowering in fear at a russian army who is for the most part peacefully evicting them.

Best thing the US can do is STFU and enjoy the show.

Our government is wrong.

[BanginJimmy]

I dont understand WHY he should be stopped.

Putin is helping citizens overthrow a fascist government... with the support of citizens.

Im jealous.......

Did you say the same thing when Georgia was invaded?

How about when he does the same thing in Estonia?


You are right in the fact that most of Crimea wants to be part of Russia and the ballot probably would have shown that before Russian forces went in. That doesnt give any further legitimacy to the vote AFTER they went in though.



A separate point.

Obama has had a pretty easy presidency to this point with very few non self inflicted crisis. This one changes all that. As rough as Bush's presidency was, this single crisis could easily trump everything Bush had to go through. Hell, this could be the diciest foreign relations situation since WW2, and if handled badly by any of a dozen govts or millions of citizens it could easily spark WW3, or at least another European war.

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Obama can get a pass because it's Ukraine. As sad as that is to say.


Estonia, is a member of NATO... And another matter entirely. I know there is this "OMG let's get Ukraine into NATO" push. But that's just pillow talk for Ukraine to get used to their new Russian mail-order bride.

[BanginJimmy]

Obama can get a pass because it's Ukraine. As sad as that is to say.


Estonia, is a member of NATO... And another matter entirely. I know there is this "OMG let's get Ukraine into NATO" push. But that's just pillow talk for Ukraine to get used to their new Russian mail-order bride.

He hasnt made the big blunder yet, and I agree, Ukraine is not a NATO member and therefore not nearly as significant as Estonia which has been a NATO member since 2004.

As I said though, it wont take much for this entire powder keg to go up. The wrong Ukrainian soldier getting pushed too far. The Russians taking over a base getting a little too rough. The possibilities really are endless.

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The possibilities really are endless.Indeed my friend... Indeed.

[Echonova]

BBC News - Deadly clashes at Ukraine port base as leaders meet (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27059321)

My favorite line from the whole article.



Reports say that the White House is considering a package of non-lethal aid for the Ukrainian military. This may include clothing and medical supplies.
Such support
Much power
Wow

[BanginJimmy]

Leaflet tells Jews to register in East Ukraine (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/)


This is the real story.

I mean, what good is an invasion without a little ethnic cleansing?

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Leaflet tells Jews to register in East Ukraine (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/)


This is the real story.

I mean, what good is an invasion without a little ethnic cleansing?
So registration is a means of eradication? Interesting...... tell me more.


Leftist in the united states want a racial cleanse too, theyre just more discreet with thier approach. Well.... some of them are discreet

Its all hilarious to me. The funniest part of it alll is how a government as revolting as ours still feels morally superior enough to police the world.

[Echonova]

Even if Obama won't intervene... Putin has been put on notice.


Portugal Launches Naval Drone, Immediately Crashes It (http://jalopnik.com/portugals-naval-drone-program-is-off-to-a-great-start-1564380583?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebo ok&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

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Leaflet tells Jews to register in East Ukraine (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/)


This is the real story.

I mean, what good is an invasion without a little ethnic cleansing?

Propaganda. Provocation. Nothing more.

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So registration is a means of eradication?No.


Leftist

LEAFLET. The article says "leaflet" it has absolutely nothing to do with "leftists"

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No.



LEAFLET. The article says "leaflet" it has absolutely nothing to do with "leftists"

Really guy???......

i said what i meant to say, if youre confused by it, im sorry.

We have a racial crusade going on in the US by LEFTISTS. Worry about that and not Russian chest beating.

[BanginJimmy]

Propaganda. Provocation. Nothing more.

I find it hard to believe publications like usatoday would be throwing out info like that if it wasn't at least partially corroborated.

[Echonova]

snopes.com: Jews Ordered to Register in East Ukraine? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/ukraine.asp)

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“I think that the message is, no matter what the world may do to you unfairly, no matter how you’re crucified - nailed to the cross at home, or in your personal relationships, or on the job - that you can rise if you don’t lose yourself during the hard times and the challenges.

The story of Jesus on the cross. No matter what they humiliated him with. No matter how they mocked him he took it, because he knew he could rise. And the story of Easter and my message for this Easter session is no matter what unearned suffering you go through, that if you know you can rise above it, don’t become like the diseases that you fight.

As I looked at President Obama at our convention last Friday, where all he took he’s been able to rise politically again. I’m not comparing him to Jesus, but I am saying that to every crucifixion there is a resurrection for those who believe.” ...

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On the glorious day when Al Sharpton finally dies, his monument should be a bottomless urinal placed on his grave.


I would have said a shitter.... but weve still got Obama to think about.

[Echonova]

Would the urinal have a wiretap for the FBI?

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Would the urinal have a wiretap for the FBI?

And it would take a video of your dick. The government can never have too much information