Government shutdown.

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Looking for someone to help me understand how this works. During a government "shutdown" why would the government send more government employees than it took to keep a park open, to keep people out?

During a government shutdown, why would the government open property and send aid for illegal immigrants to protests while at the same time building "barrycades" to keep veterans from viewing monuments dedicated to them?

It was a real shame how our veterans were treated over the weekend. Met with riot police, batons, tear gas, and snipers..... I guess our president would rather send dozens of riot police, snipers and swat than he would the 0 government employees it took to operate these monuments prior to the "shutdown".

This was a shameful weekend for America, the actions of our leaders were nothing short of disgraceful.I guess to Obama, this is what terrorists look like.....

Of course the liberal media completely ignored this event other than to report on the 1 person attending with a rebel flag, that fit their narrative to suggest this was a KKK rally and call everyone racist.

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Looking for someone to help me understand how this works.No you're not.

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No you're not.

Nice of you to chime in with a highly thought out and intelligent response. It's always great to hear some of your profound wisdom. It takes real courage and conviction to always get to the heart of the matter and not just post generic evasive BS.

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Nice of you to chime in with a highly thought out and intelligent response. It's always great to hear some of your profound wisdom. It takes real courage and conviction to always get to the heart of the matter and not just post generic evasive BS.

There was more wisdom in those 3 words than in your last 2 months worth of posts.

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There was more wisdom in those 3 words than in your last 2 months worth of posts.

Functional operating government uses 0 employees to maintain an open air monument.

A government that is shutdown sends riot police, snipers, swat and builds barricades around open air monuments because they dont have the funds to keep them open. Park service says they were told to "make people's lives as miserable as possible during the shutdown".

The economy is so hard to understand.......

This government even blocked off the road so people couldnt see mt rushmore..... now this i understand..... i cant even imagine how much money it costs for people to drive past a mountain on a public road. Had people of been allowed to drive past that mountain, there's no telling how much debt would have piled on.

Good thing Obama decided that nontax paying illegal immigrants being able to protest in the national mall was important, so important in fact that he sent aid to them. Clearly it makes sense to dishonor veterans who fought for this country in favor of illegal immigrants who stepped over a fence.






Dont anybody call this fascism........................... this is the economy, that people like myself arent capable of comprehending. And all over Obamacare..... dont people know Obamacare is the law???? it's the goddamn law... it's not a suggestion like the 1st, 2nd or 4th amendment.


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Functional operating government uses 0 employees to maintain an open air monument.

A government that is shutdown sends riot police, snipers, swat and builds barricades around open air monuments because they dont have the funds to keep them open. Park service says they were told to "make people's lives as miserable as possible during the shutdown". What do state police, snipers, swat, and park services, all funded by the state, have to do with the federal government shut down?

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What do state police, snipers, swat, and park services, all funded by the state, have to do with the federal government shut down?

Can you read?

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Can you read?

Can you?

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Can you?

Glad to see you're back......

and just as stupid and delusional as you were before. Everything is back to normal.





If you can, please explain to me the purpose and/or benefit of barricading memorials, parks and mountains during a government shutdown.

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Park rangers sent to keep people from driving past Mount Rushmore......

this seriously happened......

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whats wrong with this picture?????

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They left the door open.

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Park rangers sent to keep people from driving past Mount Rushmore......

this seriously happened......because people were vandalizing the parks. Need a better reason?

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because people were vandalizing the parks. Need a better reason?

and these people?

Lake Mead property owners forced out until shutdown ends - www.ktnv.com (http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Lake-Mead-Property-Owners-Forced-Out-Until-Gov-Shutdown-Ends-226557661.html?lc=Smart)

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Look at these people vandalizing the parks.....

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When the government was open, Obama supporters kept the parks spotless.
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Do you feel no shame for the bullshit that spews out of you?

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Confirmation bias is strong with this one.

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Confirmation bias is strong with this one.

Typical blank..... the master of saying everything without saying anything. Always dodging the topic and avoids the question. He's a black belt in left wing propaganda. I shouldnt make fun of him so much, the liberal disease is a serious issue and could take a lifetime to go into remission.

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because people were vandalizing the parks. Need a better reason?

What parks were being vandalized?


What about the barricades that were placed around memorials in D.C., the ones that were picked up and carried off by disabled veterans, you really believe those were placed there to prevent vandalism? Sorry but that's a load of crap and you know it. I suppose you expect that vandals were just going to walk up to a little 3-4 ft barrier and say "oh darn, the memorial is closed, guess I'll have to find something else to vandalize." Those barriers weren't there to stop vandals.

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What parks were being vandalized?

Let me google that for you (http://bit.ly/1b3wNrG)

Is it really more difficult to understand the situations than it is to find reasons to be pissed off all the time?

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Let me google that for you (http://bit.ly/1b3wNrG)

Is it really more difficult to understand the situations than it is to find reasons to be pissed off all the time?

I already googled it, did you even look at the dates or read any of the stories that your little search provides or did you just see park, vandalized and shutdown in the same sentence and run with it? 2 stories from Oct of this year, some locks cut off gates and a parking pay box blow torched. That's it, oh and a "possible" third one of a rock formation being knocked over. Try again.

Would you like to explain the memorial barricades in D.C. or are you just going to gloss over that again?

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Let me google that for you (http://bit.ly/1b3wNrG)

Is it really more difficult to understand the situations than it is to find reasons to be pissed off all the time?

You will defy all logic and disregard reality to maintain your support of Obama. You do this because you want to. You want to like Obama so bad that reality escapes you.

I posted pictures of the park during the protests, people kept the parks clean, they made sure of it.......... the liberal media would have swarmed like the vultures if they didnt. Every time a bunch of uneducated freeloading Obamacrats get together they ravage whatever place theyre inhabiting though.

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I already googled it, did you even look at the dates or read any of the stories that your little search provides or did you just see park, vandalized and shutdown in the same sentence and run with it? 2 stories from Oct of this year, some locks cut off gates and a parking pay box blow torched. That's it, oh and a "possible" third one of a rock formation being knocked over. Try again.

Would you like to explain the memorial barricades in D.C. or are you just going to gloss over that again?

He is a programmed sheep. He lacks the ability to think for himself or come to a rational conclusion. If he was capable of logic or rationality, he wouldnt be the bleeding heart liberal that he is.

Of course blank would view them removing the barricades that Obama had placed there as "vandalizing".....

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You will defy all logic and disregard reality to maintain your support of Obama. You do this because you want to. You want to like Obama so bad that reality escapes you.

I posted pictures of the park during the protests, people kept the parks clean, they made sure of it.......... the liberal media would have swarmed like the vultures if they didnt. Every time a bunch of uneducated freeloading Obamacrats get together they ravage whatever place theyre inhabiting though.What does any of this have to do with my support of Obama or lack thereof?
Are you suggesting parks didnt get vandalized during the shutdown, despite evidence to the contrary?

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I already googled it, did you even look at the dates or read any of the stories that your little search provides or did you just see park, vandalized and shutdown in the same sentence and run with it? 2 stories from Oct of this year, some locks cut off gates and a parking pay box blow torched. That's it, oh and a "possible" third one of a rock formation being knocked over. Try again. Parks vandalized during the shutdown, simple google search proved it. That's the end of that


Would you like to explain the memorial barricades in D.C. or are you just going to gloss over that again?What is there to explain? You're not allowed into the park if it's closed. I don't see what the issue is or what you're not understanding?

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What does any of this have to do with my support of Obama or lack thereof?
Are you suggesting parks didnt get vandalized during the shutdown, despite evidence to the contrary?

The parks didnt get vandalized. You're calling the removal of the barricades vandalizing, because you're a delusional douche. Most national parks are maintained by civilian contractors.

You're reaching so hard to try and paint a group of veterans as vandals but if this were a bunch of ghetto ass thug obama supporters rioting and leaving shit all over the place you would ignore it. You want to see vandals.... google all the Obamacrats who raided the walmarts when EBT went down. Its your side that lacks dignity and respect for their country. These Obamacrats are like parasites, they just feed off society until there's nothing left with no disregard for their negative impact and no gratitude for the American tax payer who supports them.

You saying that veterans vandalized their own memorials is possibly the dumbest shit you've ever said and you've said some really dumb shit in your day.

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The parks didnt get vandalized.

Some parks were vandalized. There's absolutely no question about that. I didn't say anything about a group of veterans. Someone asked why barricades would be put up, the answer is to keep people out. That's all I said.

National Park Vandalized - People Behaving Badly - YouTube (http://youtu.be/HmSjwjc83GE)

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Some parks were vandalized. There's absolutely no question about that. I didn't say anything about a group of veterans. Someone asked why barricades would be put up, the answer is to keep people out. That's all I said.

National Park Vandalized - People Behaving Badly - YouTube (http://youtu.be/HmSjwjc83GE)

LOL............

an unidentified person vandalized a bathroom in california....... and you blame this on veterans even though ive posted pictures of veterans cleaning the park.... and pictures of the clean park.

You are so ridiculous............ like i said, its your party members who have no respect for this country and no self dignity. It's the democratic party that breeds these anti-American rejects with no worth ethic or morality. Quit embarrassing yourself and let this one go. Obama disgraced America's veterans for no purpose or reason other than to inflict suffering on people who oppose his tyranny.

Obama's failed presidency is not a lack of intelligence or experience, it's a deliberate assault on American liberty by someone who simply does not understand American values. He was raised and mentored by communists his entire life, his parents were communists, all of his confidants are either communists or radical Muslims. He doesnt understand American values and he is on a campaign to slander and alienate those who do. Your president bows before actual terrorists while at the same time calling traditional Americans terrorists. Your president's top priority is to disarm American citizens while at the same time sending arms to terrorists who are in the process of eradicating other religions from their territory. Obama is not just a bad president, he's a bad human being. I hope i live long enough to see him pass away so that i can visit his grave, which will hopefully reside in another country, where i will drop my pants and piss on his gravestone.

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Democrats..............

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Occupy L.A.: 30 tons of debris left behind at City Hall tent city - latimes.com (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-la-30-tons-of-debris-left-behind-at-city-hall-tent-city.html)

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Republicans.............

see the difference????
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Ok. You win. You're right. I said somewhere that veterans vandalized a park. Democrats are still the axis of evil, republicans are the salvation of the republic, and Obama is still a socialist communist tyrant.

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Ok. You win. You're right. I said somewhere that veterans vandalized a park. Democrats are still the axis of evil, republicans are the salvation of the republic, and Obama is still a socialist communist tyrant.

Is what it is. 90% of republican politicians are garbage too. Every democrat is flawed because the principles of democracy are flawed. Democracy is the crack in the wall that allows a rat like Obama to exist in the first place.

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So then you weren't looking to try and understand anything at all. You were just looking for an opportunity to validate your opinions and beliefs. Why am I not surprised

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So then you weren't looking to try and understand anything at all. You were just looking for an opportunity to validate your opinions and beliefs. Why am I not surprised

You need to seek mental help.

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Did you learn anything between the time you started the thread and now?

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Did you learn anything between the time you started the thread and now?
That you will defend the indefensible when it comes to obama.

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So then you weren't looking to try and understand anything. You just wanted somewhere to spout your views and chastise anyone who disagrees with you.

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Your mental process completely changes when the topic is about something you're emotionally attached to.you will lie, manipulate, and distort reality to maintain your belief system. You're a lot like the Christians you badger, the only exception being that they have less evidence to prove them wrong.

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LOL

Democrats are filthy hippies and republicans are clean Amurcans. Right.

Anyway, cliff notes? Surely we are all on the same side that the shutdown was a huge show?

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LOL

Democrats are filthy hippies and republicans are clean Amurcans. Right.

Anyway, cliff notes? Surely we are all on the same side that the shutdown was a huge show?
Ur right. It was just a show. Obama punishing Americans who disagree with him was just part of the show. The gov doesn't shut down.it is all political posturing.

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Your mental process completely changes when the topic is about something you're emotionally attached to.you will lie, manipulate, and distort reality to maintain your belief system. You're a lot like the Christians you badger, the only exception being that they have less evidence to prove them wrong.
What am I emotionally attached to? National parks? Veterans? Or the barricades?

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Ur right. It was just a show. Obama punishing Americans who disagree with him was just part of the show. The gov doesn't shut down.it is all political posturing.

It's not just Obama, both sides are complete cry babies that are focused on winning or losing arguments.

As for the closure of parks, monuments, etc. That was a joke. I swear it took more effort to keep them closed than to keep them open. Someone was just telling me the other day their friend went somewhere up north for a huge kayak trip that as planned months in advance and they were told they couldn't get on the river....LOL. What???

Anyone that previously thought we need a revolution, I'm 95% on board now. What a joke!

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What is there to explain? You're not allowed into the park if it's closed. I don't see what the issue is or what you're not understanding?


Operating Hours & Seasons

The public may visit the World War II Memorial 24 hours a day. Rangers are on duty to answer questions from 9:30 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. daily and to provide interpretive programs every hour on the hour from 10:00 a.m. until 11:00 p.m.

Do they erect barriers every evening to prevent vandals from getting in overnight when the memorial is not staffed? No, they don't. The WWII memorial in DC is an open air memorial that is accessible to the public 24 hrs a day, It never closes, even when it is not staffed. The premise that the memorial needed to be closed to prevent vandals from defacing it is absurd, it is accessible to anyone at all daily from 11:30 p.m. to 9:30 a.m. with no staff on site to "protect" it, and somehow it doesn't get vandalized every night. Funny that. The closing of open air freely accessible memorials and monuments was nothing more than a political move of the federal gov't flexing it's muscle when it didn't get it's way and fueling the narrative against republicans for causing the shutdown. All of it was a show, from both sides, and one side came out looking better than the other because of media coverage and the ability to use the bully pulpit to get it's way.

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Do they erect barriers every evening to prevent vandals from getting in overnight when the memorial is not staffed? No, they don't. The WWII memorial in DC is an open air memorial that is accessible to the public 24 hrs a day, It never closes, even when it is not staffed. The premise that the memorial needed to be closed to prevent vandals from defacing it is absurd, it is accessible to anyone at all daily from 11:30 p.m. to 9:30 a.m. with no staff on site to "protect" it, and somehow it doesn't get vandalized every night. Funny that. The closing of open air freely accessible memorials and monuments was nothing more than a political move of the federal gov't flexing it's muscle when it didn't get it's way and fueling the narrative against republicans for causing the shutdown. All of it was a show, from both sides, and one side came out looking better than the other because of media coverage and the ability to use the bully pulpit to get it's way.

THIS!!!

Blank are you really sticking up for anything from the shutdown?

Closing parks is even stupid, during a shutdown a sign should real:

SORRY DUE TO THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN THERE IS NO PARK RANGER ON DUTY. ACTIVITIES ARE DONE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

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It's not just Obama, both sides are complete cry babies that are focused on winning or losing arguments.

As for the closure of parks, monuments, etc. That was a joke. I swear it took more effort to keep them closed than to keep them open. Someone was just telling me the other day their friend went somewhere up north for a huge kayak trip that as planned months in advance and they were told they couldn't get on the river....LOL. What???

Anyone that previously thought we need a revolution, I'm 95% on board now. What a joke!

Did you also see the link i posted about them kicking people out of their homes if they were on leased federal land? This truly was a sad and disgraceful day for America. They even blocked the road to prevent people from driving past my rushmore.............. as if anyone could vandalize a damn mountain....

No, it's not just Obama. Yes, Republicans are LARGELY to blame also. The government is one big game of good cop bad cop between republicans and democrats with no concern over the suffering being inflicted on American citizens. This whole charade should be a massive reminder about why we have constitutional rights to begin with. They were never designed to restrict people, they were designed to restrict government.... more specifically, a government like THIS government.

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Feds evict elderly couple from their home, cite shutdown | WashingtonExaminer.com (http://washingtonexaminer.com/feds-evict-elderly-couple-from-their-home-cite-shutdown/article/2536875)

Feds Evict Elderly Couple Who Owned Their Home For 40 Years Citing Government Shutdown | (http://www.thelibertypaper.org/2013/10/06/fedsevictelderlycouplecitinggovernmentshutdown/)

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/10/property-owners-in-lake-mead-evicted.html

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THIS!!!

Blank are you really sticking up for anything from the shutdown?

Closing parks is even stupid, during a shutdown a sign should real:

SORRY DUE TO THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN THERE IS NO PARK RANGER ON DUTY. ACTIVITIES ARE DONE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
What did I say that made you think I was "sticking up" for anything?

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What did I say that made you think I was "sticking up" for anything?

IDK.... maybe the fact that you made up a lie to justify it, then posted a picture of something that happened 2600 miles away from it and blamed it on the veterans to justify it.... maybe the fact that everything you've said is either ridiculous nonsense pulled directly out of your ass or in defense of the shutdown...

idk, it was probably that..... maybe.

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What did I say that made you think I was "sticking up" for anything?

You are steadfast in your defense of the closure of an open air memorial that NEVER closes.

I am not the least bit surprised that you skipped right over my reply to you.

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What did I say that made you think I was "sticking up" for anything?

Well you're arguing so...I would assume that's because you don't agree the shuntdown or the actions during the shutdown were unjustified.

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Blank's argument summarized, for those who need cliff notes.




"This could have been done by the tea party. The monuments needed protecting from vandals.
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Steadfast? You asked one time why would anyone close down a park, I gave you a reason and that was it. Lol. I skipped over your reply cause you answered your own question. To be honest. I really don't give a damn. If I want to go to a national park, I'll go when it's open. I, as mr. John Q. Public, am not inconvenienced in any way what so ever by the closure of a memorial. This is the unfortunate consequence of receiving federal funds, that it is controlled to some degree by the federal government. Don't like it? Get a collection going and buy the property they sit on.

This whole park/memorial shut down thing is a red herring. There's actual shit going on that actually matters. No one who has two brain cells to rub together actually believed Obama would renege on the ACA. It was a core tenant of his entire campaign, he got it passed every way it could be passed with bipartisan support. Why on planet earth would you think he'd be willing to roll over on that?

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Steadfast? You asked one time why would anyone close down a park, I gave you a reason and that was it. Lol. I skipped over your reply cause you answered your own question. To be honest. I really don't give a damn. If I want to go to a national park, I'll go when it's open. I, as mr. John Q. Public, am not inconvenienced in any way what so ever by the closure of a memorial. This is the unfortunate consequence of receiving federal funds, that it is controlled to some degree by the federal government. Don't like it? Get a collection going and buy the property they sit on.

This whole park/memorial shut down thing is a red herring. There's actual shit going on that actually matters. No one who has two brain cells to rub together actually believed Obama would renege on the ACA. It was a core tenant of his entire campaign, he got it passed every way it could be passed with bipartisan support. Why on planet earth would you think he'd be willing to roll over on that?

LOL.....

Just felt this needed to be quoted for public record.

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This whole thing should serve as a PSA that everything that's funded by a government is subject to a suspension like this. This should make people who get government jobs or sign up for the armed forces aware that their paycheck is subject to a budget act, that is voted on by elected politicians, who represent a constituency, some of whom believe the earth is 6000 years old and that Obama is some kind of malevolent dictator.

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LOL.....

Just felt this needed to be quoted for public record.

Quote it again. And then again on the next page. You should probably take the time and read it and understand it too, rather than just blindly quoting it.

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Quote it again. And then again on the next page. You should probably take the time and read it and understand it too, rather than just blindly quoting it.

I fully understand the depth of your willful ignorance. It's not a lack of mental capacity that makes you stupid, it's a choice.

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So you think the government simply flexing its muscle is perfectly fine.

You also think people who work for the government should just be ok with no receiving pay if there is a shutdown because they should have known that up front.

Got it.

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Steadfast? You asked one time why would anyone close down a park, I gave you a reason and that was it. Lol. I skipped over your reply cause you answered your own question. To be honest. I really don't give a damn. If I want to go to a national park, I'll go when it's open. I, as mr. John Q. Public, am not inconvenienced in any way what so ever by the closure of a memorial. This is the unfortunate consequence of receiving federal funds, that it is controlled to some degree by the federal government. Don't like it? Get a collection going and buy the property they sit on.

This whole park/memorial shut down thing is a red herring.

So you agree that it was nothing more than a political stunt, the whole vandalism angle is nothing more than a thin excuse for the fed gov't to flex it's muscle?


There's actual shit going on that actually matters. No one who has two brain cells to rub together actually believed Obama would renege on the ACA. It was a core tenant of his entire campaign, he got it passed every way it could be passed with bipartisan support. Why on planet earth would you think he'd be willing to roll over on that?

You're right, no one with common sense believed that he would renege on it, despite it's massive failures and shortcomings already. He will stand by it to the bitter end, whatever it may be. It's become such a massive failure now that even the MSNBC shills are calling a spade a spade:


http://youtu.be/H1zb_WII5b8

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So you think the government simply flexing its muscle is perfectly fine.

You also think people who work for the government should just be ok with no receiving pay if there is a shutdown because they should have known that up front.

Got it.

wait wait wait............

Government employees got back pay for the time the government was shutdown..... on top of receiving unemployment. Politicians also get paid during a shutdown.

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So you think the government simply flexing its muscle is perfectly fine.

You also think people who work for the government should just be ok with no receiving pay if there is a shutdown because they should have known that up front.

Got it.
If that's what you took from all that, sure. The US government has been "flexing its muscle" for some odd hundred number of years now, not sure how it's any different with Obama in office.

And I said people should be aware of the conditions on their paychecks, before they start receiving them. That's all I said.

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As Obama becomes the only president in American history to close memorials, evict citizens from their homes, close beaches, rivers, lakes and Mt Rushmore.

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So you agree that it was nothing more than a political stunt, the whole vandalism angle is nothing more than a thin excuse for the fed gov't to flex it's muscle?I can't answer exactly why national parks were shut down. There are certainly examples of vandalism post-shutdown, so vandalism isn't neccessarily an angle, it's something that actually happend, and we're unaware how much vandalism would have occurred had there not been barriers. I can say for sure there are nuances of government the public and media are unaware of(as with anything), so there may or may not be a legitimate reason for the closure of parks and memorial sites.




You're right, no one with common sense believed that he would renege on it, despite it's massive failures and shortcomings already. He will stand by it to the bitter end, whatever it may be. It's become such a massive failure now that even the MSNBC shills are calling a spade a spade

The government could be lying. It could not be. I don't believe the government lies or withholds information or even acts malevolently. And I'm not sure why we're comparing the ACA with a glitch in the exchange website. But it is not unreasonable that system that failed to meet its expected demands failed to keep an accurate count of the people who used that method to enroll in that system.

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wont read the 4 pages of probably dumb responses. But the reason is for maximum pain to the American public.

It was a tactic used to demonstrate what will happen if Government has to cut a budget or live within its means. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, PARKS CLOSE, VACATIONS CANCELLED, END OF THE WORLD!!!!! And then blame it all the GOP. Its pretty scary , but, pretty awesome that the WW2 people fought back and piled the barricades in front of the white house.

The GOP is not squeaky clean in this either. They shut down the govt over "Obamacare" but it should have been over the budget. All they had to say was that the democrats needed to give a detailed budget and stick to it or the govt gets shutdown. They didnt do that. They played some stupid game for 2 weeks, and then caved and gave them everything they wanted.

GOP isnt serious about cutting spending, neither are the democrats.

[Vteckidd]

Becaue im in IT, im not going to fault the website for having glitches and not working etc. This is the most massive roll out of a govt entitlement EVER.

What PISSES me off is that they paid 400+ Million to design a website that looks like it was created circa 1990 with compuserve or geocities. Why didnt we contract AMAZON to do it? GOOGLE?

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As Obama becomes the only president in American history to close memorials, evict citizens from their homes, close beaches, rivers, lakes and Mt Rushmore.
This answer tells me you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Do you have any idea how many times the government shut down before, in history or the cause of each of those shut downs?

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wont read the 4 pages of probably dumb responses. But the reason is for maximum pain to the American public.

It was a tactic used to demonstrate what will happen if Government has to cut a budget or live within its means. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, PARKS CLOSE, VACATIONS CANCELLED, END OF THE WORLD!!!!! And then blame it all the GOP. Its pretty scary , but, pretty awesome that the WW2 people fought back and piled the barricades in front of the white house.

The GOP is not squeaky clean in this either. They shut down the govt over "Obamacare" but it should have been over the budget. All they had to say was that the democrats needed to give a detailed budget and stick to it or the govt gets shutdown. They didnt do that. They played some stupid game for 2 weeks, and then caved and gave them everything they wanted.

GOP isnt serious about cutting spending, neither are the democrats.

How inaccurate would someone be if they called what happened Totalitarianism?

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This answer tells me you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Do you have any idea how many times the government shut down before, in history or the cause of each of those shut downs?

The government has shut down many times.......

I didnt say what you imagined i said.


The confirmation bias is strong with this one..............

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wont read the 4 pages of probably dumb responses. But the reason is for maximum pain to the American public.

It was a tactic used to demonstrate what will happen if Government has to cut a budget or live within its means. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, PARKS CLOSE, VACATIONS CANCELLED, END OF THE WORLD!!!!! And then blame it all the GOP.Source?

[Vteckidd]

Do you have any idea how many times the government shut down before, in history or the cause of each of those shut downs?

yeah but the 96 shutdown, we didnt close national parks and monuments. Not that I remember. Can you check that for me? (im honestly unsure).

I went to a DOD school and we were in session because they were "essential"

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Source?

Reality.




It's really a swell place, you should join the rest of us.

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The government has shut down many times.......

I didnt say what you imagined i said.


The confirmation bias is strong with this one..............
You said Obama was the only president to close memorials and parks, did you not? Aside from the fact that Obama himself didn't close down anything, do you have a source for that? Or is that another one of your wild claims?

[Vteckidd]

Source?

eyeballs and some mild level critical thinking.

Have you been to the WW2 monument in DC? I have. its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to close it off. The lincoln memorial is much easier because its a building. The WW2 memorial is out in the open. It makes NO SENSE to barricade it and refuse access. NONE. All they had to say was that national outdoor monuments would not be affected. Theres no threat of VANDALISM, cmon gimme a break.

So to combat vandalism they sent in workers to barricade a monument that is otherwise unguarded? makes sense

[Vteckidd]

You said Obama was the only president to close memorials and parks, did you not? Aside from the fact that Obama himself didn't close down anything, do you have a source for that? Or is that another one of your wild claims?

Obama didnt shut the govt down, but the WH instructed various agencies to do what they did. Thats not debatable. WH gave the orders

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yeah but the 96 shutdown, we didnt close national parks and monuments. Not that I remember. Can you check that for me? (im honestly unsure).

I went to a DOD school and we were in session because they were "essential"

Memorials were open in 1996. Staffed parks were closed, no additional staff was employed to enforce park closures. There were no riot police or armored vehicles blocking open air memorials.

[Vteckidd]

Memorials were open in 1996. Staffed parks were closed, no additional staff was employed to enforce park closures. There were no riot police or armored vehicles blocking open air memorials.

I didnt think so, but i was in Germany at the time because my dad was working for NATO.

Its pretty obvious this was done to inflict most pain possible. And when people complained, point the finger at the EVIL GOP to score political points.

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Park Ranger: (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/10/04/park-ranger-weve-been-told-to-make-life-as-difficult-for-people-as-we-can-n1717297)

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1996

http://coxrare.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/march-on-wash.jpg?w=615

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2013
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eyeballs and some mild level critical thinking.

Have you been to the WW2 monument in DC? I have. its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to close it off. The lincoln memorial is much easier because its a building. The WW2 memorial is out in the open. It makes NO SENSE to barricade it and refuse access. NONE. All they had to say was that national outdoor monuments would not be affected. Theres no threat of VANDALISM, cmon gimme a break.

So to combat vandalism they sent in workers to barricade a monument that is otherwise unguarded? makes sense
Eyeballs is your source?

Obama didnt shut the govt down, but the WH instructed various agencies to do what they did. Thats not debatable. WH gave the orders

Pretty specific. Surely there's a source out there other than just your gut feelings. Lol

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Blank would have been in this crowd if he was alive in the 1940s.

http://www.colombotelegraph.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/adolf_hitler_salute_s_in_a_late_1930_parade-colombotelegraph.jpg

Fact for the day: NAZI was a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party

[David88vert]

...he got it passed every way it could be passed with bipartisan support.


H.R.3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Senate Voting - Roll Call #396
Aye - 60 (All 58 Democrats plus 2 Independents)
Nay - 39 (39 of 40 Republicans)
Abstain - 1 (Republican)

House Voting - Roll Call #165
Aye - 219 (all Democrats)
Nay - 212 (34 Democrats and 178 Republicans)
Abstain - 0

Bill Sponsors - All were Democrats except 1 - Rep. Walter B. Jones [R, NC-3], who voted against Obamacare and has since been vocal against it.

Please explain what you mean when you state that the bill was passed with "bipartisan support"?

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2013

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/owenkellogg/WWII%20Oct%2013%202013/DSCF4868_zps4c27bd0b.jpg

I'm very curious as to the motivation and what's being implied by this picture.

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H.R.3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Senate Voting - Roll Call #396
Aye - 60 (All 58 Democrats plus 2 Independents)
Nay - 39 (39 of 40 Republicans)
Abstain - 1 (Republican)

House Voting - Roll Call #165
Aye - 219 (all Democrats)
Nay - 212 (34 Democrats and 178 Republicans)
Abstain - 0

Bill Sponsors - All were Democrats except 1 - Rep. Walter B. Jones [R, NC-3], who voted against Obamacare and has since been vocal against it.

Please explain what you mean when you state that the bill was passed with "bipartisan support"?I could clarify, but not only would we be going off the subject, but I'm not interested in playing that game that frequently gets played here where we pick one off-topic ambiguous point and run with it

[Vteckidd]

Eyeballs is your source?

Theres no good reason , as i demostrated, to shut down a govt park that is normally, unguarded.



Pretty specific. Surely there's a source out there other than just your gut feelings. Lol

Yes, the National Parks director testified he was told by the WH to cause as much pain as possible. or is that not good enough?

[Vteckidd]

An unmanned public memorial costs $0 to guard and secure 365 days a year.

Govt shuts down, so they spend money and man hours to barricade and close off a public monument/memorial

YES, eyeballs can tell you this was all political. YOu dont need MSNBC to tell you what to think, you can make decisions on your own.

The GOP didnt tell the national parks agencies to barricade their parks. The ONLY people with that power is the WH, which, was testified that was true

[David88vert]

I could clarify, but not only would we be going off the subject, but I'm not interested in playing that game that frequently gets played here where we pick one off-topic ambiguous point and run with it

In other words, the facts do not support your claim, and you don't know how to spin your way out of it.

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An unmanned public memorial costs $0 to guard and secure 365 days a year.

Govt shuts down, so they spend money and man hours to barricade and close off a public monument/memorial

YES, eyeballs can tell you this was all political. YOu dont need MSNBC to tell you what to think, you can make decisions on your own.

The GOP didnt tell the national parks agencies to barricade their parks. The ONLY people with that power is the WH, which, was testified that was true
According to the national park services director, 200,000 park employees were furloughed, including 300 who work at memorials. So it's not "unmanned" in any sense. Do these 200k employees work for free?

In any case, we will find out more on this minor inconvenience after it's scheduled hearing soon. I couldn't think of anything better the government could be doing at this time than finding out why I couldn't get into a WW2 memorial last week.

Amid anger over closures, Park Service stays resolute - The Washington Post (http://m.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/seven-reasons-why-the-national-parks-service-closed-the-world-war-ii-memorial/2013/10/15/a3df8584-35d5-11e3-be86-6aeaa439845b_story.html)

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I have to applaud the GOP for always wanting to get down to the real issues. Like why I couldn't drive past Mt. Rushmore. Let's have a hearing about it.

[Vteckidd]

In any case, we will find out more on this minor inconvenience after it's scheduled hearing soon. I couldn't think of anything better the government could be doing at this time than finding out why I couldn't get into a WW2 memorial last week.

Amid anger over closures, Park Service stays resolute - The Washington Post (http://m.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/seven-reasons-why-the-national-parks-service-closed-the-world-war-ii-memorial/2013/10/15/a3df8584-35d5-11e3-be86-6aeaa439845b_story.html)

i dont expect you to understand the concept of misappropriation of funding. Its at the core of what caused the shutdown. Since democrats dont understand budgets, there is no such thing as wasting money.

Again, ive been to the WW2 memorial, several times. I have family in DC. It is unmanned, there is DC mall security around of course, but you cannot argue it cost more money to barricade it, than to not barricade it.

The reasoning behind barricading was retarded. It was no more safe barricaded than it was unbarricaded.

this would be like sealing off arenas during a lockout, BECAUSE SAFETY. Well if we are safer with barricades, why take them down?

your blind ideology is laughable

[Vteckidd]

I have to applaud the GOP for always wanting to get down to the real issues. Like why I couldn't drive past Mt. Rushmore. Let's have a hearing about it.

I would like someone to answer why they chose complete ass backward policies to secure a public park/monument that had no credible reason to be shutdown/.

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i dont expect you to understand the concept of misappropriation of funding. Its at the core of what caused the shutdown. Since democrats dont understand budgets, there is no such thing as wasting money.

Again, ive been to the WW2 memorial, several times. I have family in DC. It is unmanned, there is DC mall security around of course, but you cannot argue it cost more money to barricade it, than to not barricade it.

The reasoning behind barricading was retarded. It was no more safe barricaded than it was unbarricaded.

this would be like sealing off arenas during a lockout, BECAUSE SAFETY. Well if we are safer with barricades, why take them down?

your blind ideology is laughable
What do you mean blind ideology? Lol. You're telling me these parks are unmanned because you went there one time, the National Park Service Director says 200 THOUSAND people work within the park system. That's the stark opposite of what you said. Lol. All I have admitted is that I don't know why they barricaded parks, and I don't care why, and that the guy in charge of it said this is why. So what am I supposed to believe? Your gut feeling and your "eyeballs"? Or the guy that's in charge of the entire national park system? I'm all ears. Because the way you tell it, it's your eyeballs I should believe and anyone who disagrees is blind.

Your two-party paradigm is laughable.

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I have to applaud the GOP for always wanting to get down to the real issues. Like why I couldn't drive past Mt. Rushmore. Let's have a hearing about it.

Lets all applaud Obama for getting down to the real issues, like making sure nobody drives past Mt Rushmore.

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What do you mean blind ideology? Lol. You're telling me these parks are unmanned because you went there one time, the National Park Service Director says 200 THOUSAND people work within the park system. That's the stark opposite of what you said. Lol. All I have admitted is that I don't know why they barricaded parks, and I don't care why, and that the guy in charge of it said this is why. So what am I supposed to believe? Your gut feeling and your "eyeballs"? Or the guy that's in charge of the entire national park system? I'm all ears. Because the way you tell it, it's your eyeballs I should believe and anyone who disagrees is blind.

Your two-party paradigm is laughable.

Cutting grass and raking leaves.......

There are no riot police guarding monuments from vandals.

I suppose if Obama had not of done this, vandals would have ran rampant defacing monuments and then Obama could have blamed that on the shutdown..... but that wouldnt have happened would it?

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Blank, care to give your justification for people being evicted from their homes during the shutdown?

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Cutting grass and raking leaves......Surely among 200k employees there's someone in some kind of administrative capacity. It's very hard to believe they employ 200k leaf rakers.


There are no riot police guarding monuments from vandals.

I suppose if Obama had not of done this, vandals would have ran rampant defacing monuments and then Obama could have blamed that on the shutdown..... but that wouldnt have happened would it?
Or the vandalism could have happened and the media could have said "Why didn't Obama do anything to stop it"

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Surely among 200k employees there's someone in some kind of administrative capacity. It's very hard to believe they employ 200k leaf rakers.


The government always finds a need for whatever money it gets.


Keep in mind we're talking about a government that spent $750k to build a soccer field in Guantanamo Bay..... wasting money is of no concern to them. Tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend....
http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4fd2601069bedd6969000003-480/guantanamo-soccer.jpg

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Blank, care to give your justification for people being evicted from their homes during the shutdown?

You mean the couple who live on federally owned property who said they've been evicted from their home during other shutdowns before, who also said they weren't really inconvenienced at all? Or do you mean the couple that own a vacation property on Lake Meade whose lease contract states that you have to have an alternate residence?

Nope.

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Our government spends 25 billion dollars a year maintaining vacant properties.......

they pay a lot of people to "push mowers"

[Vteckidd]

What do you mean blind ideology? Lol. You're telling me these parks are unmanned because you went there one time, the National Park Service Director says 200 THOUSAND people work within the park system. That's the stark opposite of what you said. Lol. All I have admitted is that I don't know why they barricaded parks, and I don't care why, and that the guy in charge of it said this is why. So what am I supposed to believe? Your gut feeling and your "eyeballs"? Or the guy that's in charge of the entire national park system? I'm all ears. Because the way you tell it, it's your eyeballs I should believe and anyone who disagrees is blind.

Your two-party paradigm is laughable.

sheep following sheep

Its kind of sad. The lengths youll go to defend the party are funny.

Ill close with this, usually, when funds are scarce, you dont deploy MORE resources , you deploy LESS. The WW2 Memorial spent more money barricading than it did, NOT barricading. Thats just fact. If you are going to argue that they had to barricade because security was furloughed, then why didnt THEY state that? They didnt. They said they were told to make it as difficult as possible for tourists, and the National Parks director said this was his reasoning (WITH THE WH BLESSING) in a post 9-11 world to keep the parks safe.

WHAT?

theres NO way you can make an argument for what they did. IT was purely political. Anyone that doesnt see that is just sticking their head in the sand

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You mean the couple who live on federally owned property who said they've been evicted from their home during other shutdowns before, who also said they weren't really inconvenienced at all? Or do you mean the couple that own a vacation property on Lake Meade whose lease contract states that you have to have an alternate residence?

Nope.

Nothing inconvenient about being kicked out of your home for absolutely no reason at all.

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sheep following sheep

Its kind of sad. The lengths youll go to defend the party are funny.

Ill close with this, usually, when funds are scarce, you dont deploy MORE resources , you deploy LESS. The WW2 Memorial spent more money barricading than it did, NOT barricading. Thats just fact. If you are going to argue that they had to barricade because security was furloughed, then why didnt THEY state that? They didnt. They said they were told to make it as difficult as possible for tourists, and the National Parks director said this was his reasoning (WITH THE WH BLESSING) in a post 9-11 world to keep the parks safe.

WHAT?

theres NO way you can make an argument for what they did. IT was purely political. Anyone that doesnt see that is just sticking their head in the sand

For blank to stick his head in the sand, he would first have to pull it out of Obama's ass.

You're right though, the levels he is going to to continue supporting this is mind boggling.

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http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/golfvsvets2.jpg

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sheep following sheep

Its kind of sad. The lengths youll go to defend the party are funny.

Ill close with this, usually, when funds are scarce, you dont deploy MORE resources , you deploy LESS. The WW2 Memorial spent more money barricading than it did, NOT barricading. Thats just fact. If you are going to argue that they had to barricade because security was furloughed, then why didnt THEY state that? They didnt. They said they were told to make it as difficult as possible for tourists, and the National Parks director said this was his reasoning (WITH THE WH BLESSING) in a post 9-11 world to keep the parks safe.

WHAT?

theres NO way you can make an argument for what they did. IT was purely political. Anyone that doesnt see that is just sticking their head in the sand
Not really defending anything at all. All I said was the park director listed reasons why parks were closed. And you're telling me I'm blind and "defending my party" for listing those reasons. Also, you claimed its more expensive to barricade the park than to leave it open, without listing any dollar figures at all. Then you said anyone who disagrees with your guy feeling is a blind democrat shill sticking their head in the sand. Your signature says you are a data resources project manager, you should be highly skilled at providing just that single piece of data. 200k employees were laid off, so there MUST BE something somewhere that says the amount of security they hired is equal to--or greater than--the salary of the 200k employees furloughed for that stretch of time.

So all you have to do is find the data for that one claim and it will be a fact. And I'll believe you.

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This is like the mantra of the lot of this subsection.

"This is my gut feeling, if you disagree you're a blind sheep"

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This is like the mantra of the lot of this subsection.

"This is my gut feeling, if you disagree you're a blind sheep"

You've been fact checked on two lies in this thread so far. You're not seeking the truth, you're seeking justification to continue believing what you've made up your mind to believe.

You fall in line with liberal rhetoric on every single discussion that takes place here. You often bend rationality or go against your own previously stated values to do so. This is why you're called a sheep, because you are.

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http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/golfvsvets2.jpg

This is the problem with the politics you follow. Heritage, in an effort to be as clear as possible, could have stated that the Golf Course most likely operates on user based funds. But instead they chose to paint a divisive picture, that the two are connected in some way.

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You've been fact checked on two lies in this thread so far. You're not seeking the truth, you're seeking justification to continue believing what you've made up your mind to believe.

I really haven't been fact checked at all, and in fact, I've been the one doing the fact checking.

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This is the problem with the politics you follow. Heritage, in an effort to be as clear as possible, could have stated that the Golf Course most likely operates on user based funds. But instead they chose to paint a divisive picture, that the two are connected in some way.

LOL............................................... ..................................................

I shouldnt be so hard on Obama, he deserves to kick back and rest every now and then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xvMDyhiU6nE

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I really haven't been fact checked at all, and in fact, I've been the one doing the fact checking.

Really? lets talk more about this bipartisan support of Obamacare and that bathroom in california that the veterans in washington vandalized.

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Really? lets talk more about this bipartisan support of Obamacare and that bathroom in california that the veterans in washington vandalized.

The partisanship of the ACA was not the point of that post, and nowhere did I mention that veterans vandalized a bathroom in California. Not even close. Good try though

[Browning151]

Never have I seen someone get so thoroughly schooled over and over again and still remain so resolute in their defense of an indefensible position. It's just funny really.

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The partisanship of the ACA was not the point of that post, and nowhere did I mention that veterans vandalized a bathroom in California. Not even close. Good try though

LOL.......... can i get you a drink? Dont want you to exhaust yourself from all that back peddling.


When you said the parks were vandalized, stated as if what you were saying was an actual fact, you posted a picture of a bathroom in california. Since you have a confirmation bias, you went to google and searched for any picture that would support your narrative, i'm sure it was a honest mistake..... you made during telling your lie.

Even though i posted a dozen pictures of liberal protests that looked like 3rd world war zones, where literally 10s of tons of garbage had to be removed.... you still stayed the course on ignoring reality and spouting left wing rhetoric in defense of this president.

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Never have I seen someone get so thoroughly schooled over and over again and still remain so resolute in their defense of an indefensible position. It's just funny really.

I'm honestly at a loss for words sometimes when dealing with this guy......... Blank's denial is mind boggling.

[Vteckidd]

Not really defending anything at all. All I said was the park director listed reasons why parks were closed. And you're telling me I'm blind and "defending my party" for listing those reasons. Also, you claimed its more expensive to barricade the park than to leave it open, without listing any dollar figures at all. Then you said anyone who disagrees with your guy feeling is a blind democrat shill sticking their head in the sand. Your signature says you are a data resources project manager, you should be highly skilled at providing just that single piece of data. 200k employees were laid off, so there MUST BE something somewhere that says the amount of security they hired is equal to--or greater than--the salary of the 200k employees furloughed for that stretch of time.

So all you have to do is find the data for that one claim and it will be a fact. And I'll believe you.

5 Years of working for GOVT contracting, 30+ year military BRAT, running several businesses, and knowing personally people who are laid off who work for the IRS.

I also know simple business practices. IT costs more money to send people to barricade a monument, than it does to leave it open.

Youre arguing that is costs more in gas to leave your car parked in a garage and not running than it does to drive it around 15 hours a day. Its really funny.

I suspect you will get some answers wednesday during the hearing. But you wont like them and will dismiss them.

Then theres the fact that the national parks director had no answers for why it was being done despite not being done in previous shutdowns. Then theres the fact that they agreed to back pay furloughed workers yet wouldnt let the parks be open?

Like i said i understand the lincoln memorial, its a building. Or the IRS HQ, lock the doors.

THESE ARE OPEN AIR open to the public monuments unguarded. you cant argue it didnt cost them money and resources to shut them. The ONLY reason to deduce is they did it intentionally for a motive. The most likely being to show the public what happens when the govt is "shutdown". Previous shutdowns showed this wasnt needed.

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Never have I seen someone get so thoroughly schooled over and over again and still remain so resolute in their defense of an indefensible position. It's just funny really.
Yeah. I'm not sure why Sinfix keeps coming back in here.

LOL.......... can i get you a drink? Dont want you to exhaust yourself from all that back peddling.


When you said the parks were vandalized, stated as if what you were saying was an actual fact, you posted a picture of a bathroom in california. Since you have a confirmation bias, you went to google and searched for any picture that would support your narrative, i'm sure it was a honest mistake..... you made during telling your lie.
I said parks were vandalized. That was a fact. Not narrative.

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5 Years of working for GOVT contracting, 30+ year military BRAT, running several businesses, and knowing personally people who are laid off who work for the IRS.

I also know simple business practices. IT costs more money to send people to barricade a monument, than it does to leave it open.

Youre arguing that is costs more in gas to leave your car parked in a garage and not running than it does to drive it around 15 hours a day. Its really funny.

I suspect you will get some answers wednesday during the hearing. But you wont like them and will dismiss them.
Ok. If you know simple business practices, then why can't you just show the cost of leaving the park open vs. closing it and hiring security. If it costs more, then you're right. I don't go on gut feelings and blindly follow what people say. Show me the numbers. It's that simple. You shouldn't need anecdotal evidence and appeal to authority to try and prove your claim. There should be an actual number somewhere.

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Let me be clear that i dont agree with the GOP either. They hsould have left the govt shutdown for months, years if possible. If they truly cared about spending, they should have left it shutdown until the Democrats (AND GOP) decided to cut budgets and live within our means.

But neither side is serious about doing that.

So im not some partisan person choosing a side to fit my thinking. Im just making reasonable and accurate deductions based upon facts.

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Ok. If you know simple business practices, then why can't you just show the cost of leaving the park open vs. closing it and hiring security. If it costs more, then you're right. I don't go on gut feelings and blindly follow what people say. Show me the numbers. It's that simple.


“There were the same number of park police along the National Mall when it was open last week as there are now when it is closed,” Hastings wrote. “In fact, on Tuesday, when barricades were first erected and areas closed down, there were even more police than on a typical day when it is open. It is further proof that these closures have nothing to do with the shutdown are simply about the Obama administration playing politics.”

Hastings added that some open-air sites can be unstaffed for up to 10 hours a day.

“Congressman Hastings is incorrect in that regard,” director Jarvis fired back on C-SPAN this morning. “We run a 24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week, 365-day-a-year operation on the National Mall. Under normal circumstances, I would have 300 employees working on the National Mall and I currently have seven.”

That there are the same number of U.S. Park Police on the National Mall now as before the shutdown began is true, according to the U.S. Park Police officers’ union. At any given time, there are two police officers on duty at each of the big three tourist sites on the National Mall: the Lincoln Memorial, the Jefferson Memorial and the Washington Monument. They are joined by a smattering of roaming officers among the less-popular sites and smaller parks.

While those officers have been deemed essential for security reasons by the park police and remained on duty through the shutdown, their numbers saw a temporary boost Tuesday as the barricades were erected, according to the union.

Youll get MORE answers wed im sure, but like i said, it wont be what you want.

But, it doesnt take documents to tell you there were more police there during the shutdown, than there was before the shutdown. It doesnt take a genius to comprehend that it costs money to barricade a park, when its normally not barricaded. I can count, and I have been to the memorial several times. there were more people there enforcing the closure than there was when its not being manned. How can you even dispute this? Are you this dense?

Just admit it, they went through great lengths to close a site they didnt need to. They even admit the security was deemed essential and was not furloughed.

Do you think its cheaper to fence your house or leave it unfenced?

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Let me be clear that i dont agree with the GOP either. They hsould have left the govt shutdown for months, years if possible. If they truly cared about spending, they should have left it shutdown until the Democrats (AND GOP) decided to cut budgets and live within our means.

But neither side is serious about doing that.

So im not some partisan person choosing a side to fit my thinking. Im just making reasonable and accurate deductions based upon facts.
I don't care who's side you're on. Lol

You claimed that it's more expensive to furlough 200k employees, close parks and hire security than it is to leave the parks open and people employed.

So show me the number that says that. That's all I want. The actual dollar figure. Shouldn't be difficult.

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So no dollar figures?

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There's no reasoning with this kid Blank. He's by far the stupidest "smart" person i've ever met in my life. It's difficult to comprehend how delusional he is.

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Youll get MORE answers wed im sure, but like i said, it wont be what you want.

But, it doesnt take documents to tell you there were more police there during the shutdown, than there was before the shutdown. It doesnt take a genius to comprehend that it costs money to barricade a park, when its normally not barricaded. I can count, and I have been to the memorial several times. there were more people there enforcing the closure than there was when its not being manned. How can you even dispute this? Are you this dense?

Just admit it, they went through great lengths to close a site they didnt need to. They even admit the security was deemed essential and was not furloughed.

Do you think its cheaper to fence your house or leave it unfenced?All I know is that the park director is saying one thing about the parks he directs, and you, the guy who isn't a park director is saying something else. You're also saying if I don't believe you, then I'm dense/democrat/blind/sheep. Etc. etc.

So I'm not taking any position at all, and I ask again, should I believe your gut feeling, or should I believe this park director who is directly involved in This whole thing and be a dense blind democrat sheep shill?

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I dont have an exact number....... but it would have costed $0 to allow people to drive past Mt Rushmore...... I'm pretty sure what ever resources were used to prevent people from driving past Mt Rushmore totaled more than $0.

Barack H Obama, focusing on the important issues that plague Americans, like preventing people from viewing Mt Rushmore from a public road.

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There's no reasoning with this kid Blank. He's by far the stupidest "smart" person i've ever met in my life. It's difficult to comprehend how delusional he is.

You're not making any attempt to reason at all, which is what I called before anyone even posted in this thread.

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I dont have an exact number....... but it would have costed $0 to allow people to drive past Mt Rushmore...... I'm pretty sure what ever resources were used to prevent people from driving past Mt Rushmore totaled more than $0.

Barack H Obama, focusing on the important issues that plague Americans, like preventing people from viewing Mt Rushmore from a public road.Have you looked into what parts of Mt. Rushmore are closed? Or are you just gonna keep spouting misinformation and falsehoods?

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You're not making any attempt to reason at all, which is what I called before anyone even posted in this thread.

Everyone else seems to get the point.

It's only you who justifies these actions with lies, rhetoric and denial.

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Turns out Mt Rushmore isn't "un-viewable", and no one is blocking access to taking pictures. Turns out only some memorials and staffed sites were closed. The city travel site even lists the exits where you can best view the mountain.

Federal Government Shutdown: Effects on the Black Hills | The Black Hills Travel Blog (http://blackhillstravelblog.com/federal-government-shutdown-effects-on-the-black-hills/)

Sheep being sheep. Or should I say Sinfix being Sinfix.

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Have you looked into what parts of Mt. Rushmore are closed? Or are you just gonna keep spouting misinformation and falsehoods?

The road.......................

http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/10/sd-cones.jpg
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/rapidcityjournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/e2/3e27aa6b-54f8-5eb4-ae33-43dd5c3a2d9b/524b96c09bda8.preview-620.jpg
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/rapidcityjournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/20/020edda5-a21d-5d1c-9fc3-fc46e4209540/524b96c1b674f.preview-620.jpg



Wouldnt want anyone to climb up there and vandalize it....... if not for the government, everyone would just go on a rampant vandalizing spree!!!!!

http://lisajennbigelow.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/img_0986.jpg

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I guess that means I've fact checked just about everything in this thread.

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Turns out Mt Rushmore isn't "un-viewable", and no one is blocking access to taking pictures. Turns out only some memorials and staffed sites were closed. The city travel site even lists the exits where you can best view the mountain.

Federal Government Shutdown: Effects on the Black Hills | The Black Hills Travel Blog (http://blackhillstravelblog.com/federal-government-shutdown-effects-on-the-black-hills/)

Sheep being sheep. Or should I say Sinfix being Sinfix.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CaO8DglwMr4

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Lets get a liberal's opinion on it..............


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CJD-05OoBMk

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I saw a picture of a road with safety cones next to it and All the anti-Obama blog spam told me big bad Obama shut down Mt Rushmore. Since I don't know how to think for myself, this is the explanation I'm gonna go with.

I know. Step one is admitting you have a problem. Good for you

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All I know is that the eye witness accounts are saying one thing about Mt Rushmore, and you, the guy who didnt visit Mt Rushmore during the shutdown is saying something else. You're also saying if I don't believe you, then I'm a sheep being a sheep Etc. etc.

So I'm not taking any position at all, and I ask again, should I believe your fabricated opinion, or should I believe this eye witness account who is directly involved in This whole thing and be a dense blind sheep shill?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TvkteW7lxNg

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Well, that's lie number 3 for blank. He pulls random shit out of his ass that he has absolutely zero knowledge of.... and then he gets fact checked and put in his place.

Rinse repeat......


WELCOME BACK IMPORTATLANTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I really dont know how to debunk blank any more thoroughly.....

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So you're showing me a bunch of videos of people clearly looking at Mount Rushmore from the road, and the travel website itself says the roads are open and some of the memorials are closed, and snopes says the only roads that were closed were due to snow and ice, which is clearly seen in your videos.

I think I've had enough of this thread

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In the face of glaring facts, he will do whatever he can to deflect and back out of an argument.

"So adding manpower and materials costs more money? Well, unless I see a balance sheet I dont believe it".

the Stock market dropped 400 points and you say I lost 401k money? Well until i log into my account and see it I dont believe it.

Its like the blind leading the blind its funny.

Im not even being partisan. Blank you are basically saying you are dumb enough to believe what anyone in the govt tells you and refuse to use your own brain. I already demonstrated from articles ABC news published that the endless youtube videos and people have seen and given account to. They expended money and manpower to drop cones, put up barricades, and to make it HARDER to visit public monuments.

WHY?

You realize that Normal days when there are no barricades costs LESS than on days WITH barricades? Do the barricades appear from thin air? do the police appear from thin air?

Liberal logic (or lack of it)

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