Ted Nugent

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Ted Nugent: ’17-Year-Old, Dope Smoking, Racist Gangsta-Wannabe Trayvon Martin’ Responsible For His Own Death « Pat Dollard (http://patdollard.com/2013/07/ted-nugent-17-year-old-dope-smoking-racist-gangsta-wannabe-trayvon-martin-responsible-for-his-own-death/)

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I refuse to click on any Pat Dollard links any more. ESPECIALLY when he's talking about Ted Nugent. Dollard is a peddler of BS opinions and misinformation wrapped in a less than factual blanket. BS that's probably been said time and time again by the same kind of people. I could probably quote it without even reading it. Nugent veils his racism in pseudo-patriotism, not that the two aren't intrinsically linked anyway. He calls Trayvon a racist thug gangster because he's too much of a coward to say the n word.

Everyone who judges then condemns a minor old for having a speckled juvenile criminal history is guilty of character assassination along with textbook hypocrisy. Plain and simple.

[D3UC3S]

The Nuge is the man and blank still can't get over the fact that Trayvon was a shithead kid with stolen property and a fuck boy attitude.

How you gonna call a Hispanic a cracker? What a badass....

[Vteckidd]

I kinda equate Ted Nugent as the white Al SHarpton. He really only serves to promote his brand.

Fact is we do not know who started what, and if Trayvon Martin WAS the aggressor, and started the fight, that doesnt mean any asshole with a gun gets to shoot back. SOmetimes, you just get your ass beat. Plain and Simple.

I do think TM was much more of a hood rat than the media portrayed him to be, and his twitter and comments testified under oath by witnesses attest to that.

Doesnt mean he deserved to get shot.

Ive been consistent in the fact that I do not think GZ Was guilty of 2nd degree murder, and i do not believe racism was a role. I do believe it was a tragedy, a tragedy that showed no evidence of a crime.

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I WISH EVERYONE WOULD STFU ABOUT THAT SHIT ALREADY !!!
So tired of it on the TV on the internet Then every fucking person talking about it DAMN!

[Bacon]

Okay Sin, lets pick another topic.

Sent from my Galaxy Note II

[D3UC3S]

I'm sick of it as well. Totally agree with Mike here. It was a tradgedy.

This should have been nothing more than a Hispanic security guard getting his ass beat on WSHH.

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Really though, what did this event have anything to do with Chicago? Did Trayvon recently move from Chicago or something?

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I refuse to click on any Pat Dollard links any more. ESPECIALLY when he's talking about Ted Nugent. Dollard is a peddler of BS opinions and misinformation wrapped in a less than factual blanket. BS that's probably been said time and time again by the same kind of people. I could probably quote it without even reading it. Nugent veils his racism in pseudo-patriotism, not that the two aren't intrinsically linked anyway. He calls Trayvon a racist thug gangster because he's too much of a coward to say the n word.

Everyone who judges then condemns a minor old for having a speckled juvenile criminal history is guilty of character assassination along with textbook hypocrisy. Plain and simple.

The definition of racism sure has broadened..... pretty much if you're white and american, you're a racist.

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Really though, what did this event have anything to do with Chicago? Did Trayvon recently move from Chicago or something?

Just pointing out how selective the outrage is.

100 black kids can kill 100 black kids and nobody cares. Soon as a nonwhite person is in the mix, it's a national news story and Al Sharpton is ready to march on washington.

[ISAtlanta300]

[QUOTE=.blank cd;39519469] He calls Trayvon a racist thug gangster because he's too much of a coward to say the n word.
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Why should he say the N word? Are you saying you are condoning the use of the N word? I thought it was an offensive word? So Paula Deen was NOT a coward for saying it?
Come on now... make up y'all minds....

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Why should he say the N word? Are you saying you are condoning the use of the N word? I thought it was an offensive word? So Paula Deen was NOT a coward for saying it?
Come on now... make up y'all minds....

It's not that.... he has to funnel every criticism towards racism. Any negativity towards a minority is racism, no matter how accurate or justified the criticism is.

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Just pointing out how selective the outrage is.

100 black kids can kill 100 black kids and nobody cares. Soon as a nonwhite person is in the mix, it's a national news story and Al Sharpton is ready to march on washington.

I dont see how he was making that claim. He says:

"Trayvon had no reason not to attack, because it was the standard thug thing to do. See Chicago any day of the week.

With nearly 700 examples of this truism played out in Chicago in 2012 alone, no one can possibly dispute the recent surge in black racism increasing throughout Barack Obama’s presidency."

That isn't about selective outrage. He is claiming Trayvon fought Zimmerman because he wanted to act like a thug from Chicago. I don't understand how he determined that. His statement about the surge of black racism in Chicago seems like a complete non-sequitor.


The definition of racism sure has broadened..... pretty much if you're white and american, you're a racist.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I am a white American and no one has ever called me racist that I know of.

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I dont see how he was making that claim. He says:

"Trayvon had no reason not to attack, because it was the standard thug thing to do. See Chicago any day of the week.

With nearly 700 examples of this truism played out in Chicago in 2012 alone, no one can possibly dispute the recent surge in black racism increasing throughout Barack Obama’s presidency."

That isn't about selective outrage. He is claiming Trayvon fought Zimmerman because he wanted to act like a thug from Chicago. I don't understand how he determined that. His statement about the surge of black racism in Chicago seems like a complete non-sequitor.



I'm sorry you feel that way. I am a white American and no one has ever called me racist that I know of.

A summary of what i think he is saying is this....

Trayvon is a thug.
This is what thugs do, they act violently.
See chicago for a reference of thugs acting violently.

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A summary of what i think he is saying is this....

Trayvon is a thug.
This is what thugs do, they act violently.
See chicago for a reference of thugs acting violently.

Then why did you say it was about selective outrage?

Also he starts with an assumption that Trayvon is a thug? The next two lines are unnecessary because the defintion of a thug is someone who is violent. Might as well be saying:

Trayvon is black
Black people have dark skin
Chicago has a lot of black people who have dark skin

Of course Trayvon being black is actually a fact rather than an unjustified assumption so really Nugent's argument isn't quite as coherant. His statement just comes off as an immature way to take a stab at violence in Chicago which isn't relevant to this case.

[BanginJimmy]

Something all of you need to realize. Blacks killing blacks is perfectly acceptable to the black community. I could make a case that it is condoned and even glamorized within the community to kill each other and people of other races. Someone of another race kills a black though, they want to claim its the 1950's and lynchings are becoming the norm.

Rev Al and Sluring Jesse NEED these cases to keep up the appearance they are relevant.


BTW, can anyone point out a single act by any of the race baiters or NAACP that actually promoted racial harmony over the last 30 years? I cant think of a single one. I can find dozens of cases for the opposite though.

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No it's not perfectly acceptable to the black community. Just do a google search and you will find numerous black leaders talking about how serious an issue it is.

As far as Al and Jessie, they do represent part of the black community but certainly not all of it.

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Then why did you say it was about selective outrage?

Also he starts with an assumption that Trayvon is a thug? The next two lines are unnecessary because the defintion of a thug is someone who is violent. Might as well be saying:

Trayvon is black
Black people have dark skin
Chicago has a lot of black people who have dark skin

Of course Trayvon being black is actually a fact rather than an unjustified assumption so really Nugent's argument isn't quite as coherant. His statement just comes off as an immature way to take a stab at violence in Chicago which isn't relevant to this case.

Everything isnt a code word for black.

Someone can say thug and actually mean thug.... thug isnt a synonym for black guy. A thug is someone prone to criminal activity. Someone who might rob houses and pack jewelry into their backpack, someone who might get expelled from school for graffiting it, someone who has gang tattoos and brags about getting in street fights... you know, the type of guy who would see some creepy ass cracker following him and turn around and knock that cracker out.

[bu villain]

I wasn't equating the word "thug" to "black", I was exposing the poor logic by using a different term that could be applied to Trayvon. I probably should have chosen a different word since I know you are hypersensitive to race and that apparently distracted you from my point.

[BanginJimmy]

No it's not perfectly acceptable to the black community. Just do a google search and you will find numerous black leaders talking about how serious an issue it is.


Really, when? I found 1 mention of a rally from June 2012 though 2 pages of results.

[bu villain]

I didn't have much trouble (about 2 minutes of searching):

Cornell West: Dr. Cornel West Says President Obama, Politicians Are 'Cowards' for Lack of Response to Gun Violence In the Black Community | Your Black World (http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/12/black-news/dr-cornel-west-says-president-obama-politicians-are-cowards-for-lack-of-response-to-gun-violence-in-the-black-community/)
Jesse Jackson: Star-News - Google News Archive Search (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19841202&id=KUhOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=shMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6992,432477)
Rev. Jesse Jackson rallies to stop black-on-black carnage (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-06-12/jesse-jackson-gun-violence-marches/55527742/1)
Al Sharpton: Rev. Al Sharpton: Let's talk about violence in black neighborhoods - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/rev-al-sharpton-talk-violence-black-neighborhoods-article-1.292142)

[BanginJimmy]

I didn't have much trouble (about 2 minutes of searching):

Cornell West: Dr. Cornel West Says President Obama, Politicians Are 'Cowards' for Lack of Response to Gun Violence In the Black Community | Your Black World (http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/12/black-news/dr-cornel-west-says-president-obama-politicians-are-cowards-for-lack-of-response-to-gun-violence-in-the-black-community/)
Jesse Jackson: Star-News - Google News Archive Search (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19841202&id=KUhOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=shMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6992,432477)
Rev. Jesse Jackson rallies to stop black-on-black carnage (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-06-12/jesse-jackson-gun-violence-marches/55527742/1)
Al Sharpton: Rev. Al Sharpton: Let's talk about violence in black neighborhoods - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/rev-al-sharpton-talk-violence-black-neighborhoods-article-1.292142)

Some good reading here. Cornell West calls the Sandy Hook shootings the "Vanilla side of town". He's as much a leader as David Duke and his bigoted opinions are worthless. From 2012.

Jesse Jackson from 1984?

The second Jackson article is the one I was referring to from 2012.

Sharpton from 2008.

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Some good reading here. Cornell West calls the Sandy Hook shootings the "Vanilla side of town". He's as much a leader as David Duke and his bigoted opinions are worthless. From 2012.

Bigoted opinions? Lol. Do you know what vanilla means?

[BanginJimmy]

Bigoted opinions? Lol. Do you know what vanilla means?

The exact same thing is called a black neighborhood a darkie neighborhood.

[Echonova]

Bigoted opinions? Lol. Do you know what vanilla means?Perhaps Rachel Jeantel can explain it to us.



Vanilla ends with an "A"... It means a male.

[BanginJimmy]

Perhaps Rachel Jeantel can explain it to us.



Vanilla ends with an "A"... It means a male.

She has a 3.0 GPA so its gotta be legit.

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The exact same thing is called a black neighborhood a darkie neighborhood.

LOL. Thats what I thought.

Vanilla in this context has absolutely nothing to do with race, just so you know.

[BanginJimmy]

I think you are the only person in the world that believes that.

[Echonova]

LOL. Thats what I thought.

Vanilla in this context has absolutely nothing to do with race, just so you know.He's right. No way you could ever find someone using that phrase, with that connotation in a legitimate news source.












































D.C., Long 'Chocolate City,' Becoming More Vanilla : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2011/02/15/133754531/d-c-long-chocolate-city-becoming-more-vanilla)

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He's right. No way you could ever find someone using that phrase, with that connotation in a legitimate news source.

D.C., Long 'Chocolate City,' Becoming More Vanilla : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2011/02/15/133754531/d-c-long-chocolate-city-becoming-more-vanilla)

Sure. You could change the context and it could mean whatever you want it to mean.

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Sure. You could change the context and it could mean whatever you want it to mean.LOL































But that doesn't mean LOL.

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I think you are the only person in the world that believes that.

Websters dictionary seems to think so too, so I guess I'm not the only person in the world.

http://i.word.com/idictionary/vanilla

Vanilla, in the context Dr. West used it means "lacking distinction". An area of town that wouldn't appear to be the focus of a tragedy like that.

You must be "looking" for another definition because you assume he's race baiting.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_correlation

[Echonova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow6JSv_I1Oo

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Cant win a debate with Blank because he has the ability to make up his own facts and validate them with his own conjecture.

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Cant win a debate with Blank because he has the ability to make up his own facts and validate them with his own conjecture.

This doesn't even make sense, but sure, I guess I made up all dictionaries. Lol. It's not even a debate, I'm not arguing anything any reasonable person should disagree with.

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This doesn't even make sense, but sure, I guess I made up all dictionaries. Lol. It's not even a debate, I'm not arguing anything any reasonable person should disagree with.

You're right. Words always carry their literal meanings. I cant wait to go back to Mardi gras and see the chocolate city. I wonder if it's illegal to just take a bite of the sidewalk.

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You're right. Word's always carry their literal meanings. I cant wait to go back to Mardi gras and see the chocolate city. I wonder if it's illegal to just take a bite of the sidewalk.

Are you seriously saying I suggested that Sandy Hook was literally made of vanilla?

"Plain" and "lacking distinction" isn't vanillas "literal meaning". Neither is "predominately white"

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Are you seriously saying I suggested that Sandy Hook was literally made of vanilla?

"Plain" and "lacking distinction" isn't vanillas "literal meaning". Neither is "predominately white"

When you say lacking distinction, you really mean lacking color. Prove me wrong.

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As of the census of 2000, there were 25,031 people, 8,325 households, and 6,776 families residing in the town. The population density was 433.4 people per square mile (167.3/km²). There were 8,601 housing units at an average density of 148.9 per square mile (57.5/km²). The racial makeup of the town was 95.14% White, 1.75% Black or African American, 0.14% Native American, 1.40% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 0.64% from other races, and 0.89% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.36% of the population.

[BanginJimmy]

Listening to Sepultura Chaos A.D. right now. Amazing album.

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When you say lacking distinction, you really mean lacking color. Prove me wrong.

Because I distinguished "lacking color" with "predominately white", separate from "lacking distinction". Good try though.

I further understand how this works.

[BanginJimmy]

Because I distinguished "lacking color" with "predominately white", separate from "lacking distinction". Good try though.

I further understand how this works.

You have as much proof as the AshTray prosecution. Gotta come up with something better.

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You have as much proof as the AshTray prosecution. Gotta come up with something better.

Better than quoted proof?


Are you seriously saying I suggested that Sandy Hook was literally made of vanilla?

"Plain" and "lacking distinction"(This means plain and lacking distinction)isn't vanillas "literal meaning". Neither is [b]"predominately white"(this means lacking "color")

You're not too good at this are you?

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Better than quoted proof?



You're not too good at this are you?


Chicago has such a crime problem because the city is too dark. Much like every other city, the darker it gets, crime seems to follow. In the lighter parts of the nation there's a lot less crime.


































































No seriously... most crime happens at night.

[ISAtlanta300]

"Not a peep. Not a mumbling word when the black folk getting shot. But now Newtown, CT, vanilla side, low and behold… We have a major conversation. That’s wonderful. Each life is precious, but it just upsets me when we’re so differential. "

Yep....he ain't talking about color....And he didn't mean black folks as in African Americans...he meant folks with a dark soul or something... :rolleyes:

[bu villain]

Some good reading here. Cornell West calls the Sandy Hook shootings the "Vanilla side of town". He's as much a leader as David Duke and his bigoted opinions are worthless. From 2012.

Jesse Jackson from 1984?

The second Jackson article is the one I was referring to from 2012.

Sharpton from 2008.

You are changing the subject. You said the black community doesn't care about black on black crime. I was giving evidence that they do. That's it. Whether Cornell West is bigoted or used vanilla to mean white is irrelevant to your claim that they don't care about black on black crime.

[BanginJimmy]

We are never going to agree on this so I will say this. I heard of this guy recently and read a few of his articles about race, mainly having to do with black culture being a detriment to blacks. He has some very interesting views.

John McWhorter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McWhorter)

How Hip-Hop Holds Blacks Back by John H. McWhorter, City Journal Summer 2003 (http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_how_hip_hop.html)

this is one of his articles about rap and hip hop.

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Well at least you understand that the black community is not a monolithic group who all believe the same thing. I have provided some evidence that prominent black leaders care about black on black crime. Can you provide me some evidence that they don't? Perhaps a statement where one of them says it is not a problem? I don't even care if its from 1984.

[BanginJimmy]

Well at least you understand that the black community is not a monolithic group who all believe the same thing. I have provided some evidence that prominent black leaders care about black on black crime. Can you provide me some evidence that they don't? Perhaps a statement where one of them says it is not a problem? I don't even care if its from 1984.

Evidence that they dont care is the fact that we hear almost nothing about black on black crime. How much outrage did we see among 'black leaders' after 74 blacks were shot (12 killed) in Chicago between July 3-July 7? Where is the outrage among black leaders that 200 people have been killed in Chicago this year with more than 150 of them being black?

[bu villain]

Black on black crime has been a problem for many years which is why some of the links I sent were from different time periods. Just because they don't have a rally every few weeks doesn't mean it isn't a concern. The fact you don't hear much about it isn't because the black community doesn't care, it's because the media doesn't particularly care. The media is mostly concerned with breaking news and the right now, they don't give much coverage to persistent issues because people get tired of hearing about the same issues over and over.