Voter fraud

[Sinfix_15]

This is how Obama was elected. Sheep flocked to the polls and voted as many times as they could. Hope she gets the full 6 years in prison. These people should be deported for treason.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_mGbpg86D24

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This is how Obama was elected. Sheep flocked to the polls and voted as many times as they could.

Citation for voter fraud turning being responsible for Obama's victory? Yes, everyone agrees voter fraud is bad.

[Sinfix_15]

Citation for voter fraud turning being responsible for Obama's victory? Yes, everyone agrees voter fraud is bad.

This is one case. It's an example of a much larger problem of cheat to win politics by the left.

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Exactly this is one case, how do you know how large the problem is? The only conclusion I've heard from people who study voter fraud is that it is actually exceedingly rare. And you know there are unethical people on both sides right?

[Sinfix_15]

Exactly this is one case, how do you know how large the problem is? The only conclusion I've heard from people who study voter fraud is that it is actually exceedingly rare. And you know there are unethical people on both sides right?

Those same people would have offered you a tin foil hat if you said the IRS & EPA were targeting conservatives and the DOJ was spying on the media.

To where you see "voter fraud is exceedingly rare", i see... "voter fraud is possible". If these nitwits off the street were able to vote 7-8 times, then i wonder what effect the truly cynical were able to have on the outcome of the election. Since this case proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that voter fraud is at the very least possible, maybe we should do something to strengthening the security of out election system....

What say you left???

"THATS RACIST!!!! WHITE MAN TRYING TO OPPRESS THE BLACK VOTER!!! RACIST REPUBLICANS DONT WANT US TO BE ABLE TO VOTE, RACIST RACIST RACIST RACIST "

[bu villain]

Sorry, not going to advocate creating addition government imposed hoops to jump through to solve a problem that doesn't even matter. You seem to base most of your conclusions off anecdotes, that's not how I think we should operate. I prefer data. Probably the most critical state in presidential elections is Ohio so you would think it would be most ripe for fraud. The Secretary of State (Republican) did an investigation into November's election and found "135 cases of possible fraud out of 5.6 million votes cast. That means two one-thousandths of a percent of last November’s vote was possibly fraudulent" By the way, Obama won Ohio by more than 166,000 votes.

[Sinfix_15]

Sorry, not going to advocate creating addition government imposed hoops to jump through to solve a problem that doesn't even matter. You seem to base most of your conclusions off anecdotes, that's not how I think we should operate. I prefer data. Probably the most critical state in presidential elections is Ohio so you would think it would be most ripe for fraud. The Secretary of State (Republican) did an investigation into November's election and found "135 cases of possible fraud out of 5.6 million votes cast. That means two one-thousandths of a percent of last November’s vote was possibly fraudulent" By the way, Obama won Ohio by more than 166,000 votes.

Securing the integrity of elections "doesnt even matter".

The left has no sense of morality, they dont care about civil rights, civil liberty, freedom, cheating, scandals.... they only care about being on the wrong end of a civil rights issue, civil liberty issue, losing one of their freedoms, them being cheated or them being the victim of scandal. Like i said.... "cheat to win politics".... The climax of decades worth of manipulation and lies is democrats electing a chicago crook president. The radical left, the government... the people.... our forefathers always warned us of.

[bu villain]

Ah yes, bring on the righteous outrage. Who cares if there is no meaningful effects, morality demands we must fight this. After we solve this non-problem, we can move on to bringing all the sodomites to justice!

[Sinfix_15]

Ah yes, bring on the righteous outrage. Who cares if there is no meaningful effects, morality demands we must fight this. After we solve this non-problem, we can move on to bringing all the sodomites to justice!

Maintaining the foundation that this country was built upon is not a non-problem.... even if the "meaningful effect" is symbolic. Your ideology is common with the lefties.... if they cant hold it in their hands, they dont seem to understand it. This is why the constitution is so meaningless to them, what is it? can you cash it? does it come on the first of the month? liberty? what is that?

[BanginJimmy]

Exactly this is one case, how do you know how large the problem is? The only conclusion I've heard from people who study voter fraud is that it is actually exceedingly rare. And you know there are unethical people on both sides right?

You can add this to the fact that Obama likely did not even qualify to be on the ballot in Indiana during the dem primaries. Because of the way Indiana allocates its delegates, it is very possible Obama doesnt win the Dem primary in '08 if he isnt on the Indiana ballot.

Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/26/officials-found-guilty-in-obama-clinton-ballot-petition-fraud/)


Not the same case, not the same solution, but it does show that small time fraud can have a major national effect.

[Sinfix_15]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BL9u-H8CUAA04hL.jpg

[1civic]

You can add this to the fact that Obama likely did not even qualify to be on the ballot in Indiana during the dem primaries. Because of the way Indiana allocates its delegates, it is very possible Obama doesnt win the Dem primary in '08 if he isnt on the Indiana ballot.

Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/26/officials-found-guilty-in-obama-clinton-ballot-petition-fraud/)


Not the same case, not the same solution, but it does show that small time fraud can have a major national effect.


That was some bullshit, yet people continue on like this shit never happen..

[Sinfix_15]

That was some bullshit, yet people continue on like this shit never happen..

Democrats are like the abusive boyfriend who beats his girlfriend, yet always accuses her of cheating. Theyre low life cheating scum, yet they're constantly calling everyone else crooks and racists. The reason theyre never held accountable? they control the money...... made even more apparent by current IRS/EPA scandals.

"when people learn they can vote themselves money, that will be the end of the republic" ... well, democrats have commercialized people being able to vote themselves money. That's why people "continue on like this shit never happens" , because all is right in the world as long as the next welfare check gets mailed out.

[RandomGuy]

This is one case. It's an example of a much larger problem of cheat to win politics by the left.
Or partisanship aside, how big the problem is on the grand scale:


To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted (http://www.truethevote.org/news/did-you-know-there-are-voter-fraud-convictions-and-prosecutions-in-46-states) cases of voter fraud.
More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid (http://www.pewtrusts.org/our_work_report_detail.aspx?id=85899370677), yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
There are over 1.8 million dead voters (http://www.pewtrusts.org/our_work_report_detail.aspx?id=85899370677) still eligible on the rolls across the country.
More than 2.75 million Americans (http://www.pewtrusts.org/our_work_report_detail.aspx?id=85899370677) are registered to vote in more than one state.
True The Vote recently found 99 cases (http://www.truethevote.org/news/true-the-vote-announces-new-findings-of-voter-fraud-in-ohio-new-york-florida-and-rhode-island) of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths (http://marylandreporter.com/2012/09/30/dead-people-voted-and-registered-to-vote-watchdog-group-finds-hundreds-of-deceased-still-on-the-rolls/).
This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.

California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000


12 Indiana counties (http://www.truethevote.org/news/true-the-vote-and-judicial-watch-sue-indiana) have more registered voters than residents.
The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties (http://www.scribd.com/doc/104449069/Complaint-Ohio-NVRA) have more registered voters than residents.
Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/election-integrity-watchdog-sends-notice-to-160-counties-it-says-have-more-registered-voters-than-are-actually-eligible-to-vote/) have over 100 percent voter registration.
The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/left-leaning-florida-voter-groups-deny-allegations-of-registration-fraud/1256112).

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures (http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures)

[bu villain]

Maintaining the foundation that this country was built upon is not a non-problem.... even if the "meaningful effect" is symbolic.

If I see evidence that the foundation is truly in jeopardy (voter fraud that could potentially sway elections) I will be all for taking strong action. Until then, I believe we have enough problems with real consequences that we should tend to.


You can add this to the fact that Obama likely did not even qualify to be on the ballot in Indiana during the dem primaries. Because of the way Indiana allocates its delegates, it is very possible Obama doesnt win the Dem primary in '08 if he isnt on the Indiana ballot.

Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/26/officials-found-guilty-in-obama-clinton-ballot-petition-fraud/)


Not the same case, not the same solution, but it does show that small time fraud can have a major national effect.

Of course I am not condoning fraud in any form. All I am saying is that our efforts should be directed to where they are most effective. It seems like ballot petition fraud would be a much better target for our efforts than individual voter fraud. If we could eliminate all voter fraud without any additional cost and without making it more difficult for anyone to vote, of course I would be for that.

[Sinfix_15]

If I see evidence that the foundation is truly in jeopardy (voter fraud that could potentially sway elections) I will be all for taking strong action. Until then, I believe we have enough problems with real consequences that we should tend to.


You will only see what you chose to see. Obama is the result of voter fraud that swayed an election. Obama is the problem with real consequences that we should tend to.

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You will only see what you chose to see. Obama is the result of voter fraud that swayed an election. Obama is the problem with real consequences that we should tend to.

LMAO. Obama won the election by almost 100 electoral votes in 2008. Indiana's 11 votes wouldn't have mattered. He would have either gotten on the ballot anyway or the people who voted for him wouldn't have voted at all.

Voter fraud in any capacity is definitely a non-partisan issue. To believe its solely a democratic issue is foolish.

[Sinfix_15]

LMAO. Obama won the election by almost 100 electoral votes in 2008. Indiana's 11 votes wouldn't have mattered. He would have either gotten on the ballot anyway or the people who voted for him wouldn't have voted at all.

Voter fraud in any capacity is definitely a non-partisan issue. To believe its solely a democratic issue is foolish.

Apologies.... i simply dont believe the crooks and cheats are that adamant about holding crooks and cheats accountable.

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Villain was right. This forum is less about politics and more a vector of Sinfix's frustration and illusory understanding.

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For every one story you find about election rigging that MAY have increased Obamas chance of winning, I can produce two stories of election rigging that have successfully seated conservative candidates.

[Sinfix_15]

Villain was right. This forum is less about politics and more a vector of Sinfix's frustration and illusory understanding.

History will pull back the curtain on this president and his henchmen. Every american should be frustrated at the government we are currently enduring.