Jalopnik writes Transformers 4 copied Vengeance Camaro. Isn't this a GA built car?

[EJ25RUN]

http://jalopnik.com/did-transformers-4-rip-off-this-guys-design-for-the-ne-510655228

LS7 1967 Vengeance Streetfigher Camaro Preview - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd3ggr7xcY8)

They have a point imo.

[David88vert]

Yes, he is a member on here.

[Sinfix_15]

Omg.... that guy put fender flares on a car...... what a visionary.... he should have patented that idea......

of course transformers stole the idea from him...... where else would they have ever seen someone putting fender flares on a car before.......

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40542&stc=1&d=1284432300
http://www.chevyhardcore.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/28/files/2011/02/25.jpg
http://bring---atrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/1967_Chevrolet_Camaro_Trans_Am_SCCA_Vintage_Race_C ar_Rear_1.jpg[.IMG] ((((THIS SITE IS INFECTED WITH MALWARE I REMOVED THIS PIC)))))
[IMG]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaM6nrLw_tVhiju2X2xDbOVImmfW3ri k1PJy7ctP_oVt9J49kf
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/OLD_SITE/Cars/Aloha%20Camaro/aloha68camaro-01-01.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

ah shit.... now i feel like a jackass... i just noticed they also said it had a nose stripe..... now it's obvious that they copied his car..... i mean... where in the world would you find another camaro with a nose stripe?????

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwsAnPB-ugJ2VBCAH5Wz-bh9IzeGEVy8b1jnKe11jw5a74jamJ
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z177/roger62305/MyBBstripe.jpg
http://www.automorphosis.net/images/1258047576852-2003588114.jpeg
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsbv3cAfg_oZ_HXSXVzvQYRseC9biZJ vUdpd_QgiWP93dL4HkuZA
http://www.69pace.com/images/Paint/1967_CC_erminewhite/pace/67_Chevy_Camaro_PaceCar_DV-06-WG_01.jpg
http://www.muscle-car-wallpaper.com/images/GM/Camaro%20Pictures/1967%20camaro/1967-Camaro-RS-1024x768-05.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFoG8xmIc9yJbwJ-H96zTakuGOjVStsiET8Nl4Ycsu1cICHBoP

[Sinfix_15]

awww damn, now ive really put my foot in my mouth..... it had dish wheels too???? yeah.... no question now, it's clearly obvious that they copied this camaro visionary.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=55131&stc=1&d=1328484339
http://media.caranddriver.com/images/11q2/395918/1969-chevrolet-camaro-red-devil-pro-touring-review-car-and-driver-photo-405938-s-429x262.jpg
http://southjerseycamaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/bb713f41-600x398.jpg
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=71737&d=1361562364
http://cimages2.carsforsale.com/327100/C4EEE261-F78F-453B-851D-F10B05EAC3A3_3.jpg

[Vteckidd]

honestly dont see the big deal. His camaro is sick, but cmon, I doubt it was the only one ever like that style. Plus, theres nothing wrong with "copying" someones car.

Really a stupid article IMO

[Echonova]

Mr. Vengeance is a cool, laid back guy. He wasn't the one that made a big deal about this. Just answered questions when people asked him. The resemblance is striking IMO, and I wouldn't put it past Micheal Bay to use Google to find the pics, copy it and claim he personally designed the car. Because everybody knows the best thing about a Micheal bay movie is Micheal Bay. Micheal Bay can do things no other director can do, because no other director is Micheal Bay. If Micheal Bay weren't Micheal Bay, he would become Micheal Bay just to be Micheal Bay so he could make movies like Micheal Bay.


^^^ If you've never watched an movie interview with Micheal Bay and/or cast you won't find that funny. But Micheal Bay loves to talk about Micheal Bay. Because he's Micheal Bay.

[1civic]

What a fucking cry baby.. If you don't want people to view yo shit, then don't post it...




On side note;
Who wants to copy my car, and then maybe use it for a movie.. Fuck, I'll donate that whore!! Gezzz...

[TheVengeance]

hey guys

home from work

Wow I didnt know there was so much confusion on what I am saying..

first off..

I never claimed I OWN anything but my car..
I never said I want to sue ANYONE..
I never claimed to be the first to do ANYTHING..
I never invented fender flares..
I never invented audi door handles.. ahah
I never invented Vintage Trans Am racing or the usual modifications for it.
etc..


All im saying is this.

The whole combination.. all of it.. TOGETHER is more than just a coincidence.
For those who dont follow the pro touring movement and firstgen camaros in the first place immediately write off what im talking about as bull because they say everything has been done to a firstgen.. and to a degree in parts yes.. but the full combination of what was done on my car.. I would say only "Bumblebee" did practically all the same modifications.

look.. look at the whole thing as a whole..

Vengeance is a 1967.. ------------- Bumblebee is a 1967
Audi door handles(because i was a mk3-er) ------------- Vette style handles that look like mine
Blacked out wing windows ------------- Blacked out wing windows
Front stabilizer bars ------------- Front stabilizer bars
CF chinspoiler ------------- CF chinspoiler
NewGen wheels in 19s ------------- NewGen wheels in 19s
grey centers with gloss black lips ------------- grey centers with gloss black lips
stepped lips(as the company couldnt make 18s in stepped) ------------- stepped lips
shaved front lower valance.. ------------- shaved front lower valance.
Vision mirrors(my old setup) ------------- Vision mirrors
removed front window trim ------------- removed front window trim
completely blacked out grille ------------- completely blacked out grille
full length bumblebee stripe in carbon ------------- full length bumblebee stripe in yellow.



now.. none of those things above EITHER of us is the inventor of.. nor either of us is claiming.

but AS A WHOLE.. TOTAL PACKAGE..

isnt it a bit suspicious?

heres a pic of my car with the flares on comparison..

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/VenomousType/comparison.jpg

so with just a little pshop put a yellow stripe and take of my GranSport stripes

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/VenomousType/Fumblebee.jpg



Can you all at least just put yourself in my shoes.. I do think its cool and im not mad just a little bummed.. just I know whats going to happen.. which some of you already said..

so please stop with the "he wants to get a suit going with Paramount"

Hell I would have been happy if they put Venny in the movie.. like if I was driving her by Bumblebee and it stops him in his tracks and scans it like the first movie to copy.. I would be STOKED on that!
it would be a strait up "Hey optimus.. did you see that black camaro?.. hold up im going to change into thug mode"

Id be proud then..

but damn can i not have ANY credit for doing as a whole what i did to a 67 camaro?.. not in its individual parts but as a whole?.. please find another 67 with the EXACT same combinations of modifications.. all of them.. together on one car like mine... bumblebee happens to count off all on the checklist.

oh.. and funny thing is the guys that folks posted above suchs as the One Lap camaro are my homies.. we WOULD share similar modifications..


but other than that.. guys im cool.. please dont make this about money cause I have my own.. and I aint mad yall.. I really am not.


I just wanted to let it out.

[EJ25RUN]

What a fucking cry baby.. If you don't want people to view yo shit, then don't post it...

On side note;
Who wants to copy my car, and then maybe use it for a movie.. Fuck, I'll donate that whore!! Gezzz...

Is this a reference to the car because the article clearly states the person did not have an issue with it.

[EJ25RUN]

Sinfix_15 - I too can make a google search on any first gen. Thanks for the input....

[TheVengeance]

oh yea btw this is an Atlanta car..


what?


No.. love for Atlanta?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/p480x480/428490_278895172247123_493508251_n.jpg


lol!


ATL.. stand up for your boy please.. you all know me.
and you can see me at the next oldschool meet and tell me all those wonderful things you saved up to show me.

[1civic]

Is this a reference to the car because the article clearly states the person did not have an issue with it.

Fact: If it wasn't a problem, then there would be no article..




Edit:

IF a picture was in fact the idea, or goal, then Anyone in there right mind would be flattered, and considering that theses cars have been modded for the past 40yrs, it's hard not to copy something, or someone!!

[C230K]

IMO I think your friends are blowing smoke up your ass, putting myself in your shoes I wouldn't be bummed at all, I would actually be more excited that a copy of my car is going to be in a big blockbuster movie. You did a great job restoring your Camaro and your father would be proud of you. Now-a-days who isn't trying to copying someone else's car, hell I'd admit I do that shit too.

[Sinfix_15]

If i was building a 67 camaro it would look EXACTLY like your camaro..... almost identical..... having never seen your car before. Most of what you did to it are token "wish list" mods for any camaro build that isnt a resto....

they didnt copy you, they just built a camaro.

[TheVengeance]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA... fuckouttahere.



Please with your black belt in Google images find ONE 67 Camaro that looks EXACTLY like mine..


Just one.. with EVERYTHING like mine.. the whole combination.. not parts.. all of it all together..
flares, shaved, audi-like handles, custom boxed chinspoiler with stabilizers, blacked vent windows, mirrors, EXACT same wheels in the EXACT same colorscheme.



I tell you what 100 bucks.. says you cannot.


either way.. my car gave the movie some life.. I wouldnt mind seeing my bootleg roll by.. ill put the movie in black and white and its pretty much my car.

[Sinfix_15]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA... fuckouttahere.



Please with your black belt in Google images find ONE 67 Camaro that looks EXACTLY like mine..


Just one.. with EVERYTHING like mine.. the whole combination.. not parts.. all of it all together..
flares, shaved, audi-like handles, custom boxed chinspoiler with stabilizers, blacked vent windows, mirrors, EXACT same wheels in the EXACT same colorscheme.



I tell you what 100 bucks.. says you cannot.


either way.. my car gave the movie some life.. I wouldnt mind seeing my bootleg roll by.. ill put the movie in black and white and its pretty much my car.

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/1967ChevroletCamaro.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF2629.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpMnrYxVxVRJB99sgUvIdX8GadvMprp v3GA4nekkXMb67fQDW6
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40542&stc=1&d=1284432300
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/IMG_0173_0uMo_0.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EHjOep_1psM/T4GtlS3E32I/AAAAAAAAGAQ/sNAUT2QtCdE/s1600/Pro%2BCamaro%2B2.jpg
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=55132&stc=1&d=1328484340

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/scooter350z/IMG00437-20110118-1359.jpg

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/off-topic-forum/104551d1272233878-since-ive-sold-my-m5-new-ride-thought-id-share-driveway2.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

Your car is fantastic..... dont make it like anyone is insulting you....

but it's no unicorn.... there's even a genre for your car...... your style build is "protouring"....

[Sinfix_15]

What you're doing would be like me posting this and then saying "NOBODY HAS A CAR EXACTLY LIKE MINE!!!"

http://www.drifted.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/IMG_0954.jpg

Maybe not exactly, but a lot of people have drift car looks.



You have a protouring style camaro.... protouring is very popular.

Fender flares in general are very popular.... maybe not on a 67 camaro.
chin soilers, very popular.
the stripes, very popular...
satin black, very popular...
dish wheels, very popular...

you put your personal touch on the car, but it's done with a list of mods that a lot of people commonly do.

[TheVengeance]

Hey thank you very much!

and I still dont know why folks are thinking I am angry.. hahha.. I have the ability to live life and create and its not like my Camaro is the only creation I will ever make..

I mean.. my current creations are pretty fun so far..
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6115/6297582126_7bf1d8ee43_o.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8026/7133601691_b48e67750e_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3489/5709688145_86ae0d4104_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5067/5602048204_4f6ae69d34_b.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4109/4971940025_f5a57dd7de_b.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6205/6033427729_5e0950a3ec_b.jpg

so yea..

I stated my point and thats all I wanted to do.. does this look like bumblebee... thats all.. and many said yes it does.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/VenomousType/Fumblebee.jpg

I just remember when folks used to root for the underdog and "stick it to the man" for things of this nature.. not help him put the boot down and say "who do you think you are to speak your mind"


also..

heres the hilarious thing about those pics you posted..

You posted up MY car on the first photo.. and 5 of my CAR CLUB members influenced by MY car and they will tell you themselves.


oh well..

but no you didnt post up a 67 with ALL the combinations of mine(which you stated is common as butt fucking).. so cant give you a hunned my child.


*rides off on a unicorn..


hah

[Sinfix_15]

Hey thank you very much!

and I still dont know why folks are thinking I am angry.. hahha.. I have the ability to live life and create and its not like my Camaro is the only creation I will ever make..

I mean.. my current creations are pretty fun so far..
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6115/6297582126_7bf1d8ee43_o.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8026/7133601691_b48e67750e_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3489/5709688145_86ae0d4104_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5067/5602048204_4f6ae69d34_b.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4109/4971940025_f5a57dd7de_b.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6205/6033427729_5e0950a3ec_b.jpg

so yea..

I stated my point and thats all I wanted to do.. does this look like bumblebee... thats all.. and many said yes it does.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/VenomousType/Fumblebee.jpg

I just remember when folks used to root for the underdog and "stick it to the man" for things of this nature.. not help him put the boot down and say "who do you think you are to speak your mind"


also..

heres the hilarious thing about those pics you posted..

You posted up MY car on the first photo.. and 5 of my CAR CLUB members influenced by MY car and they will tell you themselves.


oh well..

but no you didnt post up a 67 with ALL the combinations of mine(which you stated is common as butt fucking).. so cant give you a hunned my child.


*rides off on a unicorn..


hah

lol, i almost linked your exact car from a different stage in build.... i caught myself.

Your car is amazing. Best looking 60s camaro ive ever seen. Your car looks better than the transformers one.... much better.... attention to detail cant be duplicated. In the small areas of imperfection you can tell the difference between someone who put some parts on a car for a movie and someone who put their soul into a car.

[TheVengeance]

Look all I want is for ATL to stand up and ride for the lil guy.. man I ride for you all... and those who know me know.

Other than that.. I said what I had to say, sometimes thats all a man has to do.. say whats bothering him and hes good.. so I busted my nut and im okay.. ahahha


I never wanted money or to put anyone down at all but it happened to me in reverse.. for some reason.

[Vteckidd]

Oh i understand, but still at the end of the day, so what if he saw your car and copied it? I mean theres no patent on modeling a car after an existing design right? IF i decided to go duplicate your car right now theres nothing you can do about it.

Has MIchael Bay actually said "I invented this car and drew it up"? IF he has then I could totally understand being upset. Obviously certain design elements are eerily similar. However, if someone just snapped a photo of the car and put 2+2 together, then , dont see the big deal really

Not being combative :)

[Vteckidd]

but damn can i not have ANY credit for doing as a whole what i did to a 67 camaro?.. not in its individual parts but as a whole?.. please find another 67 with the EXACT same combinations of modifications.. all of them.. together on one car like mine... bumblebee happens to count off all on the checklist.

I would think no, you put your car out on a public forum and promoted it, once you make it public, you acknowledge its up for copying. you enjoyed the publicity you got from it, this is one of the by products.

You cant patent a cars looks.

If Bay saw a picture of the car and decided thats what he wanted, you should be happy you inspired someone. Hopefully he says "man i saw this camaro on ???????? and thats the direction we went with"

[Hermin]

Why is this such a big deal? I guess every honda owner should be calling each other out.. There is no way to be original in the car scene.

[Sinfix_15]

Why is this such a big deal? I guess every honda owner should be calling each other out.. There is no way to be original in the car scene.

I've said this before....

Everything with a car has been done before. If you want to be different, ride a camel to work.

[Hermin]

I've said this before....

Everything with a car has been done before. If you want to be different, ride a camel to work.

Didn't feel like reading the whole thread haha and exactly.. I'm POSITIVE theres a twin of every single modded car

[TheVengeance]

Please find a twin of my car with the exact modifications you are sure of.. aside from bumblebee.


100 buck to you if you do.

[RandomGuy]

I would think no, you put your car out on a public forum and promoted it, once you make it public, you acknowledge its up for copying. you enjoyed the publicity you got from it, this is one of the by products.

I don't think he's worried about the legality of it all, or even compensation... it's more the fact of someone trying to get the kudos for the creativity and correct combination of the elements that built it. There's probably some creative director in their offices who feels like king shit right now. They all pat him on the back on the way in to the office in the mornings for his awesome bumblebee 2013 concept.

It wouldn't really matter if it was something that was more of an 'inspired by' type of thing, this looked like it took work to blatantly do. It's not a few parts here and there, it's like the exact same build and build style, which is something someone created from the bottom up.

Not only did they have to analyze exactly the same shit, they'd have to source it- for that of course it took research. During that research I'm sure they found him and how to reach him, but didn't want to give props for a badass design, but thought it was nice enough to use in their multi-million $ movie.

[Vteckidd]

Please find a twin of my car with the exact modifications you are sure of.. aside from bumblebee.


100 buck to you if you do.

so the article was written IMO from a standpoint of malice. Like someone is upset that a major movie director copied your car design and you want the credit.

My point was you put your car out on the INTERFUCKINGNET, of COURSE its going to get copied. What did you think was going to happen?

So Michael Bay might be a dooshbag for not giving you props, well we already knew that.

I just dont see the point. This is a worthless thread.

I could go copy your exact car right now, and claim I BUILT IT, and theres nothing you can do about it....except get someone to write an article about it on Jalopnik for people to bitch and moan over HAHA. I guarantee theres a car just like yours, it probably just isnt on the internet

[Vteckidd]

Not only did they have to analyze exactly the same shit, they'd have to source it- for that of course it took research. During that research I'm sure they found him and how to reach him, but didn't want to give props for a badass design, but thought it was nice enough to use in their multi-million $ movie.

so does everyone with a black widow style 2 body kit get pissed off at Gone in 60 Seconds?

http://www.imcdb.org/i002807.jpg

You telling me no one ABSOLUTELY NO ONE on planet earth has a car that could be confused with Vengenaces car?

[bu villain]

so the article was written IMO from a standpoint of malice. Like someone is upset that a major movie director copied your car design and you want the credit.....except get someone to write an article about it on Jalopnik for people to bitch and moan over HAHA.

Just so you know, Vengeance didn't contact Jalopnik. He never asked them to write an article about it. Fuck legality or expectations. If you can't understand the disappointment over a pop culture movie basically redefining something you spent your sweat, blood and tears to create, then I doubt there is anything to left to say about it. I sometimes wonder if some of these dudes are as heartless in real life or if it's just the internet that sucks out any sort of sympathy for a fellow car lover. Funny thing is, those people are the ones making this a big deal, not Vengeance.

[bu villain]

You telling me no one ABSOLUTELY NO ONE on planet earth has a car that could be confused with Vengenaces car?

A lay person who doesn't know shit about cars maybe could confuse them but not anyone who knows anything about pro-touring or first gen camaros at all. If you find one that matches Vengeance's mods more closely than Bumblebee does, I will throw in $100 of my own on top of Vengeances.

[Sinfix_15]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xagunIgpy3A/Tbh3M81tMRI/AAAAAAAACVM/heFIsI_2vKM/s640/Screen+shot+2011-04-27+at+8.40.45+AM.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_0283-1.jpg
http://powertour.net/04_community_05_tour_2012/June6/2012_HRPT_6_6_098-540px.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/brushedtrim_wheels.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF2572.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/PB151130-1.jpg
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=71123&d=1360480044
http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/AAC2011/ORACLE69CamaroProject2.jpg

[05dc5s]

so does everyone with a black widow style 2 body kit get pissed off at Gone in 60 Seconds?

http://www.imcdb.org/i002807.jpg

You telling me no one ABSOLUTELY NO ONE on planet earth has a car that could be confused with Vengenaces car?

Always thought it was cool they had an Si in that movie but ridiculous they had it in a race against a Porsche.

[TheVengeance]

sinflicks

you love posting my car club homies cars.. lol.

specially the flat black 69 with the stabilizer bars.. whom based his car off mine and is in my crew.

pics with Darren in it..
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5168/5228433462_3490d9ea89_z.jpg

go here..

The Street Fighters (http://www.thestreetfighters.com)

youll see a trend and reoccurring elements there.





yet again..

STILL..

no 67 with everything on it..

you just dont care to see the differences and are on a mission to just "win"


no money for nunaya..

*rides off again on a Unicorn.

[Vteckidd]

LOL sounds like a bunch of people are whining over Michael Bay cloning a car (allegedly) that was publicly put on the INTERNET. You realize how absolutely asinine this sounds right?

My last post:

Great looking car, Im sorry it will forever be enshrined as bumblebee. you poor poor man you.

[1civic]

sinflicks

you love posting my car club homies cars.. lol.

specially the flat black 69 with the stabilizer bars.. whom based his car off mine and is in my crew.

go here..

The Street Fighters (http://www.thestreetfighters.com)

youll see a trend and reoccurring elements there.





yet again..

STILL..

no 67 with everything on it..

you just dont care to see the differences and are on a mission to just "win"


no money for nunaya..

*rides off again on a Unicorn.





IMO, flares are bit different, and rims look bigger in back, along with window tint, but very close to say the least..

My guess is they ask a shop to render something, the shop searched and found something to base ideas from, and Micheal Bay approved it.

But Bro... Maybe an email to the right people could get credit if that's what you feel is respectable.

[TheVengeance]

well how about this

these first.. (note whos car is the wheel mani's icon)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/VenomousType/Screenshot2013-06-03at112524AM.png

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/VenomousType/Screenshot2013-06-03at112545AM.png

then a later confirmation it was to my cars specs..


yea.. allegedly huh?


one day the shoe may be on the other foot for you.. even though this isnt that bad for me.

[Vteckidd]

LOL jesus you are butthurt over some stupid shit.

So someone stole your cars appearance. Who really cares? Why the fuck do you care?

"hey guys check out these pics of my car"

"WHAT?? WHY WOULD SOMEONE COPY My CAR? I ONLY POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET AND PUT UP 100s OF PHOTOS ABoUT IT"

Its seriously the dumbest fucking thread/article i have ever read. Bunch of whining crying grown ass men pissed off some guy in hollywood built a car that looks like theirs, or , GASP, is identical.

UNSUBSCRIBED

[TheVengeance]

^

hahahahha..


busted that ass of yours..


that makes me feel very good right now.. smoked the shit outta you.



so..

I have a major motion picture company copy my swag..

I have evidence to base it..

The character my car is based on is fucking cool..

I have dude posting up my homies in my crew who ride with me to "discredit" me..

Even funnier is that the same guys you posted are the ones out there holding me down(on other sites) doing most of the talking for me.
even when I dont really care about this all that much..

I am actually good no matter the outcome.. wether its toys of my car or universal respect for my taste and influence.

MAD traffic is going to my site and a couple of interesting deals came through..

and the best part..

I have a weakling with heart shaped chromosomes angry enough to "unsubscribe" with smoke coming out of his ears to go do yoga on a mat of woven dicks.... oh man thats funny!


damn.. I think I should toast all of you for making me realize that I am actually blessed for those things I just named..

http://24.media.tumblr.com/0786f2164b1e90fe145115010e41cf04/tumblr_mlv1nuNujD1sp7rjlo1_500.gif


oh on a lighter note..


Sinflicks.. thanks for showing me love though.. I still see that you are giving props even though you want to try prove me wrong and thats still cool.

[1civic]

I seen a car like mine, fucker even had same wheels.. Holy fuck bro!!





Really bro shits funny, but little out of hand!







BUT, Shit's not that serious!!


:cheers:

[TheVengeance]

It never really was THAT serious..




the thing was the homies(couple of whom sinny posted, ironically) actually made the whole thing go hard on the internet.. then Jalopnik asked me what I thought and then this all went how it went..

I just got a kick off this thread because you would think that those guys are on Paramounts payroll and seemed to be more booty injured when I would post up evidence.. ahah Booty injured.

go figure..

But the fact how angry vteckidd got just bellowed out and he spilled his tall cup of warm breast milk and sinny with repetitive posts of photos of modified camaros shows me I won.. thats pretty much it.


I win.


I had fun yall.. honestly I really did.

[1civic]

It never really was THAT serious..




the thing was the homies(couple of whom sinny posted, ironically) actually made the whole thing go hard on the internet.. then Jalopnik asked me what I thought and then this all went how it went..

I just got a kick off this thread because you would think that those guys are on Paramounts payroll and seemed to be more booty injured when I would post up evidence.. ahah Booty injured.

go figure..

But the fact how angry vteckidd got just bellowed out and he spilled his tall cup of warm breast milk and sinny with repetitive posts of photos of modified camaros shows me I won.. thats pretty much it.


I win.


I had fun yall.. honestly I really did.


Word!! But, the joy is in the builds bruh, folks can love it or hate it..

Internet gives freedom to speak without feelings, so never take this shit to heart!!




You seem legit bro, and the style is on point, so do your thang!! :goodjob:

[TheVengeance]

aye.. thats definitely right, I think we can all agree on that.





And I made the only man on earth who can turn sandpaper into a moist towellette with just his hands angry so you know im legit.. The only man who can pollenate a flower with his breath mad.. must be legit.. he got so mad he shot lotion out his wrists like Spiderman at his computer.. legit..


The creator of Pillowfight club.. The only man capable of frosting a cake with his eyes.. I made him mad.


ask about me.










Thank you very much man, I had fun rappin with you and alla dem!


see you on the streets of good ol ATLANTA.

[Sinfix_15]

sinflicks

you love posting my car club homies cars.. lol.

specially the flat black 69 with the stabilizer bars.. whom based his car off mine and is in my crew.

pics with Darren in it..
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5168/5228433462_3490d9ea89_z.jpg

go here..

The Street Fighters (http://www.thestreetfighters.com)

youll see a trend and reoccurring elements there.





yet again..

STILL..

no 67 with everything on it..

you just dont care to see the differences and are on a mission to just "win"


no money for nunaya..

*rides off again on a Unicorn.

I look at it like this........... you cant throw cabbage in your speghetti and be like "i created something totally new thats never been done before" no.... you created spaghetti... and put cabbage in it.

Your car is unique, but it's made with common ingredients. Chin spoiler? probably 50+% of all 67 camaros have chin spoilers.... nose stripe? probably 50+% of all 67 camaros have a nose stripe. Slammed on dish wheels.... "protouring"... every last one of them. satin/gloss black murdered out... been done... fender flares..... been done....

You feel like everyone is insulting you..... but we're not... im not.... i love your car..... one of the best looking camaros on the planet. Your style is exactly what my taste is....

but like i said....... It's a clydesdale.... but not a unicorn.




With them ordering the exact same wheels..... that makes a strong case that they copied your car though.

[Echonova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=is82ZnVDQSk

[Sinfix_15]

I'm confused by this.... is that supposed to be a sex toy?

[bu villain]

Vengeance, the internet has decided you are furious and foaming at the mouth about this. Do not defy the internets!

[Vteckidd]

I look at it like this........... you cant throw cabbage in your speghetti and be like "i created something totally new thats never been done before" no.... you created spaghetti... and put cabbage in it.

Your car is unique, but it's made with common ingredients. Chin spoiler? probably 50+% of all 67 camaros have chin spoilers.... nose stripe? probably 50+% of all 67 camaros have a nose stripe. Slammed on dish wheels.... "protouring"... every last one of them. satin/gloss black murdered out... been done... fender flares..... been done....

You feel like everyone is insulting you..... but we're not... im not.... i love your car..... one of the best looking camaros on the planet. Your style is exactly what my taste is....

but like i said....... It's a clydesdale.... but not a unicorn.




With them ordering the exact same wheels..... that makes a strong case that they copied your car though.
thjats all i was saying, and i got the DUDE BRO bullshit posts.

Im not mad Vengenace, i could care less about this, I just think its funny how you act like your not mad about someone copying it, but then someone writes an article about how you got copied, and you dont like the publicity but , you want the credit, but youre happy cause you got something for free out of it.

You seem like a Grade A assclown who is obsessed with his car being bigger than he is and making him some sort of star or famous person. you are upset that you didnt get your
"PROPS BRO", your homies and your "crew" didnt get "DAPZ".

its kind of funny.

[Vteckidd]

Let me ask the obvious question:

WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH?

It seems to me that you want to be singled out, that a Hollywood movie producer did in fact copy your car exactly, and that you want some type of compensation or credit. That is what im getting by all your posts and the article and the "my traffic is getting mad hits" crap you are talking about.

It seems to me that you are PISSED that someone allegedly copied your car, and you want to be singled out.

My only point is that if you didnt want your car copied, dont post it on the internet and circulate pictures everywhere.

[Julio]

Don't see the big deal.

[Glides]

I'm real surprised that you all came down on him the way you did. You guys especially Vteckid and Julio.

Everyone in this thread is a car guy, or at least looks like they are. You ALL build machines, some good, some great and some not so great. The fact of the matter is....they coped his shit. Right down to the smallest detail. And I will tell you why.

If you don't know, I do stunts for tv and film. My truck that I posted on here, the old Ford truck with the Zombie hunting paint, was down on the set of The Walking Dead. I watched, and spoke to, the production designer of that show when he came out to my truck with a camera and paint chips. He 360 degree photographed it, matched up the paint and copied it right down to the roof rack. I talked to him while he was doing it and told him it was for sale. He didn't bite.

A few weeks later I was down there doing a stunt and voilah!...the Governers vehicles are all lined up in the picture car lot and they all look just like mine. Fancy that. I asked about it and was told that it was the basis for the vehicles. Now I thought, "Cool. my shits in a show"

Fast forward a bit and I was down there again with my new vehicle. Out comes this guy again...some friends of mine told me. They were going to do the same thing again. Dunno if it happened, haven't seen any of the new vehicles. But it happens. Now it isn't so cool anymore that my shit is just "In a show" cause i'm in the show. Now knowing when they spend, how they spend and how much they spend or spend to rent other vehicles, I don't think it's right to just copy it. At least give credit.

Some production designer saw his car on the internet, printed out a photo and stuck it on some pegboard. They showed it to the higher up and they said "Yes! That's it" Then they gave the info to the picture car guys and they built it. I have sat in on those meetings, i've seen it happen. Nobody ever thought to talk to Vengeance. Odds are they didn't even read the article until they needed the specifications on the car...which they copied right down to the exact wheels and sizes. They just don't think that far ahead.
You can say "Don't put it on the net if you don't want it copied" And that's all well and good...when it's not a major movie studio doing the copying. Vtec, I am 99% sure you would be on the net screaming foul if someone copied a build you did, right down to the smallest detail, and drove it to a meet claiming they did it, not giving you an ounce of credit. Same with you Julio, same with anyone in the car community. If someone copied your site, graphics for this site and put their own up, I am sure you wouldn't let it sit. But somehow it's different because it's a movie. He should be happy for his little bit of fame. Lol riiiight.

Vengeance is Atlanta, we used to stick by our own. The least they can do is give him credit, and if he contacts them, I bet you they will along with money. I've seen them do much more for less.

[Julio]

I'm real surprised that you all came down on him the way you did. You guys especially Vteckid and Julio.

Everyone in this thread is a car guy, or at least looks like they are. You ALL build machines, some good, some great and some not so great. The fact of the matter is....they coped his shit. Right down to the smallest detail. And I will tell you why.

If you don't know, I do stunts for tv and film. My truck that I posted on here, the old Ford truck with the Zombie hunting paint, was down on the set of The Walking Dead. I watched, and spoke to, the production designer of that show when he came out to my truck with a camera and paint chips. He 360 degree photographed it, matched up the paint and copied it right down to the roof rack. I talked to him while he was doing it and told him it was for sale. He didn't bite.

A few weeks later I was down there doing a stunt and voilah!...the Governers vehicles are all lined up in the picture car lot and they all look just like mine. Fancy that. I asked about it and was told that it was the basis for the vehicles. Now I thought, "Cool. my shits in a show"

Fast forward a bit and I was down there again with my new vehicle. Out comes this guy again...some friends of mine told me. They were going to do the same thing again. Dunno if it happened, haven't seen any of the new vehicles. But it happens. Now it isn't so cool anymore that my shit is just "In a show" cause i'm in the show. Now knowing when they spend, how they spend and how much they spend or spend to rent other vehicles, I don't think it's right to just copy it. At least give credit.

Some production designer saw his car on the internet, printed out a photo and stuck it on some pegboard. They showed it to the higher up and they said "Yes! That's it" Then they gave the info to the picture car guys and they built it. I have sat in on those meetings, i've seen it happen. Nobody ever thought to talk to Vengeance. Odds are they didn't even read the article until they needed the specifications on the car...which they copied right down to the exact wheels and sizes. They just don't think that far ahead.
You can say "Don't put it on the net if you don't want it copied" And that's all well and good...when it's not a major movie studio doing the copying. Vtec, I am 99% sure you would be on the net screaming foul if someone copied a build you did, right down to the smallest detail, and drove it to a meet claiming they did it, not giving you an ounce of credit. Same with you Julio, same with anyone in the car community. If someone copied your site, graphics for this site and put their own up, I am sure you wouldn't let it sit. But somehow it's different because it's a movie. He should be happy for his little bit of fame. Lol riiiight.

Vengeance is Atlanta, we used to stick by our own. The least they can do is give him credit, and if he contacts them, I bet you they will along with money. I've seen them do much more for less.

You typed all that, and all I said was, " Don't see the big deal ". Owner of the car should be flattered, if not, get a lawyer..

[TheVengeance]

thjats all i was saying, and i got the DUDE BRO bullshit posts.

Im not mad Vengenace, i could care less about this, I just think its funny how you act like your not mad about someone copying it, but then someone writes an article about how you got copied, and you dont like the publicity but , you want the credit, but youre happy cause you got something for free out of it.

You seem like a Grade A assclown who is obsessed with his car being bigger than he is and making him some sort of star or famous person. you are upset that you didnt get your
"PROPS BRO", your homies and your "crew" didnt get "DAPZ".

its kind of funny.




hahahahaa!!!



wow....






you totally figured me out..

as you emerge from a lagoon of lotion.. Mr Jergens himself figures me out.


obviously.. never in your life have you made something original.. special.. personal.. and interesting.


and obviously.. you dont know me.

you got really.. really mad.. i bet it smelled like bacon bits in your house that day.. you werent mad?.. you dont care?.. its the internetz?..

then why did you come back after the bitchmade stormout professing to the world like a 18 year old fresh out the closet "UNSUBSCRIBED!!"




your fuckin heart has a ponytail..


hahaha.. man.. you must be just a cookie cutter human who believes that the world owns everything about you cause its on the internet.. with that logic.

and who do you know that uses the word "assclown?"



ahahahaha!

and ill just leave this here..


http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/VenomousType/Comparison2.jpg

[TheVengeance]

Let me ask the obvious question:

WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH?



Showing everyone in this thread that you got a black belt in pillow fighting and can pollenate flowers with your breath... plus you can make anyone on here any origami animal they could ever want..


soft little guy..


you being mad is the strange accomplishment I enjoy.. i truly am having fun with you and this.


whatup Julio..

[TheVengeance]

I'm confused by this.... is that supposed to be a sex toy?

boy.. Japan got some interesting playthings.. and yea seems that way.

look at the other videos... they got some that you can put your dick into a tetris game or some shit.

[ssonsk]

That's not even a creative car. It's a camaro with fender flares, rims, and a splitter...
It's rare, but not creative. It would be pretty creative if it had a custom wide body or something like that.

dude probably has never seen that car

[ssonsk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=is82ZnVDQSk

LOL WOW

[Bacon]

I like bunniez.

Sent from my Galaxy Note II

[Vteckidd]

Sorry Glides, you build a car, you cant patent it.

Just sounds like a bunch of whining because someone copied a car they THINK was inspired by someone else. Theres no evidence they have ever seen Vengeances car. And if they did, so what. Wheres the law that they have to ask permission to copy it? Wheres the creedo that they cant copy his car because its what they wanted?

Again, it sounds to me that he wants the credit and recognition as some sort of ME ME ME attitude he has about the car. He built it to be famous, and someone copied it and he wants to be noticed. because hes not getting noticed, he is upset. SOmeone is stealing his thunder.

I just think if you build a car, and post about it on the internet, its GOING TO GET COPIED. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS? Is this your first car?

[Vteckidd]

Showing everyone in this thread that you got a black belt in pillow fighting and can pollenate flowers with your breath... plus you can make anyone on here any origami animal they could ever want..


soft little guy..


you being mad is the strange accomplishment I enjoy.. i truly am having fun with you and this.


whatup Julio..

While your attempts at humor are mildly funny, It doesnt bother me. Im not some teenager that gets upset because everyone doesnt like me...............thats how youre acting :P

Im a grown man son, i said you were acting like an assclown, ok ok ok, i should have said "jealous ex GF". That was more fitting.

[TheVengeance]

ahahah


everything you write is Shake weight literature..




and grown man?.. then why do you still live in a pillow fort in your parents living room?


Vtec?.. hahah yea.. thats grown man aiight.. thats a fwd stripper chariot.



aahahha!

[TheVengeance]

Sorry Glides, you build a car, you cant patent it.

Just sounds like a bunch of whining because someone copied a car they THINK was inspired by someone else. Theres no evidence they have ever seen Vengeances car. And if they did, so what. Wheres the law that they have to ask permission to copy it? Wheres the creedo that they cant copy his car because its what they wanted?

Again, it sounds to me that he wants the credit and recognition as some sort of ME ME ME attitude he has about the car. He built it to be famous, and someone copied it and he wants to be noticed. because hes not getting noticed, he is upset. SOmeone is stealing his thunder.

I just think if you build a car, and post about it on the internet, its GOING TO GET COPIED. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS? Is this your first car?



hahahaha

well look whos upset?

"how the fuck do you not know this?!?!... narf!"
http://www.warpzoned.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/man-screaming-at-computer.jpg




you want to make a point and thats all you want to do?

but I dont listen to someone with heartshaped chromosomes.. nor do I pay attention to a guy whos ancestors not long ago were holding Gulliver captive and living in trees baking cookies..


lil dude..

[Vteckidd]

LOL thanks, its been nice discussing this topic with you, its clear you have nothing more to add to this thread. Personal insults without answering questions shows your lack of intellect and that you have no real defense of your stance or issue. I was debating the topic, and when you have nothing to add you talk out of your ass like i live with my parents or something.

I dont know your lifestyle so I wont make fun of it, but I will state that I think youre just jealous the limelight isnt on you, its on the car in a movie you feel you are owed something

[TheVengeance]

huh?

ahhahaha!

you didnt prove anything.. nor willing to see the obvious evidence.. and you SURELY dont know me as you think my car is what brings me fame or something.. plus you think its the first car ive built..



how ignorant the Elfin folk are... well on the bright side you are an expert at folding grass to clothe small woodland animals... haahaa















but really.. you should ask someone who I am.. you might be surprised at your statement.

[Vteckidd]

What does it feel like to be the only one laughing at your jokes?

[Glides]

You typed all that, and all I said was, " Don't see the big deal ". Owner of the car should be flattered, if not, get a lawyer..

I am glad you read the part that was aimed at you. The rest wasn't. So I typed all that for not only you. What I am about to type is partly for your eyes, but not wholly. This part is however. He should in no way be flattered because the people copying it don't give a shit about the car, they only copied it to make money. Plain and simple. If you think Transformers 4 is anything other than a money making venture, you are sadly mistaken. It will take one day on set with a Line Producer to become quite aware of how much it is about money. As for your lawyer comment, he should get a lawyer, though he probably won't need one because the mere hint of one will do what is needed and if he did get one, he would most likely win for more than one reason.

1. ANY lawsuit filed against a motion picture for creative license halts the films release while they fight it. So while they have an army of attorneys, they still have to halt release until it is settled. That is why there is a person whose job it is on a film to make sure everything artistic related is cleared. Any stoppage of a motion picture, be it a day, or a month, costs the studio an insane amount of money. I can't remember the exact amount but it is something like 50k to 70 for every hour or so on a big budget film that the camera is rolling. It's ridiculous. To halt production is even worse. And the very worse is to have the movie in the can, sitting on a shelf ready to open worldwide and have to fight some small time lawsuit over the creative license of a car no matter if they win it or not. Costs too much money.

2. It costs WAY more to fight the case than it does to just toss him a few thousand dollars and get him to go away quietly. It's dollars and cents. There was a guy in L.A. who rode around with a backpack blower, a leaf blower, from set to set and as soon as they started to film he would fire it up. When they asked him to stop he said no because he would miss his route. They would pay him hundreds of dollars just to get him to go away. He packed up and went on to the next one. Made a living that way. People out there knew him and had money ready when he showed up so there was no downtime. That's how it works.

As for his car being just a Camaro with fender flares, the car is way more than just a Camaro with fender flares, the article stated how very much more than that it is. That comment was from sheer ignorance. Besides, it doesn't really matter what it has on it, it was HIS. He made it HIS way and it was copied right down to the very last detail. So what if it is a car. It's his car. Nobody in this thread, no matter how big they talk about this and that, would not scream foul if another scrub in the scene ripped off their style. Only this is radically different because the people who ripped it off stand to make a boat load of money off of the ripping off of his car. Toys, bedsheets, T-shirts and the list goes on and on. It was wrong to do it and not even bother to contact him.

I am still amazed that people are clowning on him for standing up for his stuff. The guy is an artist, he makes his money off of his creative license. I am going to venture a guess that not many of the people in here do their living that way. It makes sense if they don't.
Anyway, sad to see people clowning for no other reason that to ruffle feathers. Sad indeed.

[Glides]

Sorry Glides, you build a car, you cant patent it.

Just sounds like a bunch of whining because someone copied a car they THINK was inspired by someone else. Theres no evidence they have ever seen Vengeances car. And if they did, so what. Wheres the law that they have to ask permission to copy it? Wheres the creedo that they cant copy his car because its what they wanted?

Again, it sounds to me that he wants the credit and recognition as some sort of ME ME ME attitude he has about the car. He built it to be famous, and someone copied it and he wants to be noticed. because hes not getting noticed, he is upset. SOmeone is stealing his thunder.

I just think if you build a car, and post about it on the internet, its GOING TO GET COPIED. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS? Is this your first car?

I can see where you would think that. You are absolutely right, you cannot patent it. But we aren't talking about patents, we are talking about creative license and that is a MUCH broader spectrum than a patent. Artwork falls under this.
Let's use something as simple as a childs artwork. On a show called Revolution, we had a house scene. We had childrens artwork on the fridge. The production designer handed me paper and had me draw it because to have a child draw it would require paperwork to have it cleared to be used on that movie. If it isn't cleared and the parents were to see it....lawsuit if they wanted too. Same with paintings. On another show, the director wanted to use a painting already in a house, but the actual painter lived in Greece....no can do. Couldn't use it because it couldn't be cleared.

Now does a car fall under that? Maybe, maybe not. If the images that they used to copy the car are, there might be trouble. Especially since they not only had some image, they had the exact specifications of the vehicle from the article posted online. Who is to say. I will say though that there is about a 99% chance they won't even go that far. They will open dialogue with him, figure out a solution that he and them are comfortable with and more than likely settle it out because it costs them too much to even try to fight something that small in the scope of what they are dealing with.

Making movies is not in any way, shape or form like the real world. It is a closed microcosm of insanely oddball stuff happening in a very short amount of time with unlimited resources when compared to what the everyday person works with. I spent some time in the Need for Speed picture car lockup the other day. Wrecked Lambos, a Bugatti Veyron smashed along with other assorted vehicles. All built for that movie and all built to trash. Need a Formula one car...they build them with interchangeable bodies so they can wreck em. It's a super cool place to be...but a sad one as well.

Thats the movies.

[ssonsk]

Lol k guy

#justacamarowithflares

[JITB]

man this thread is painful to read....

Amir is the last person that is looking for attention.

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[Glides]

man this thread is painful to read....

Amir is the last person that is looking for attention.

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I know right. He has more fame than damn near anyone on this forum. It is funny to see people talking trash when they have no idea who he is.

As for the Camaro with flares comment....I love it when people show their complete ignorance, it's great. Especially on a car forum where they claim to know something about cars.

[Sinfix_15]

This thread is a big misunderstanding....

I'm not insulting the camaro or it's owner in any way.... not even a little. It's not an insult to say "you havnt done anything that hasnt been done before" to someone who owns a 46 year old car.

It's a glorious car.... it's beautiful.... it's perfect..... awesome ect ect ect...... but it's personalized with common modifications.

[JITB]

This thread is a big misunderstanding....

I'm not insulting the camaro or it's owner in any way.... not even a little. It's not an insult to say "you havnt done anything that hasnt been done before" to someone who owns a 46 year old car.

It's a glorious car.... it's beautiful.... it's perfect..... awesome ect ect ect...... but it's personalized with common modifications.

What is commom about a 67 camaro with a LS7 on a art Morrison corvette frame....

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[Sinfix_15]

What is commom about a 67 camaro with a LS7 on a art Morrison corvette frame....

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You're right, this guy is a visionary, he did something to a camaro that has never been done before.... you know, aside from all the pictures i posted of it being done before.

[JITB]

You're right, this guy is a visionary, he did something to a camaro that has never been done before.... you know, aside from all the pictures i posted of it being done before.

Lol what a clown , I knew better responding!

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[ssonsk]

No one has even mentioned the engineering side.

We're just talking about looks broham

[Vteckidd]

OK OK OK

Vengeance you seem like a really nice guy and someone who puts a lot of time and effort into his projects. I can respect that. I'm a car guy you're a car guy , seriously gorgeous camaro.

As far as this, I just agree to disagree. I don't really understand the issue with someone vcopying a car put out in public.

I'll never build something as nice as that so chalk it up to I'll never be in your shoes so I can't really know.

[Glides]

The most sad part about this entire thing with them copying his car is that for everyone that says you cannot control what you put out there on the net....they can.

What they will do is copyright Bumblebee. They will copyright that car so that nobody else can use it. Then they will use THEIR copyrighted material and make bedsheets, toys, t-shirts and whatever else they can to milk every dollar out of it. They will aggressively go after anyone or anything that resembles their copyrighted material.

So in a sense, they stole his car. They will profit off of his idea, his vision and they will profit large. The look that he put together will now become their look. That is what is wrong with them taking it. It doesn't matter that people have done modifications on old Camaros before or who did what, when and how. They will own it. They will own his car.....along with about 434141 other Camaro owners that will do horrible copies of it who would never have done it before the movie. And then they will all tell him he copied Bumblebee.

It's just a sad situation.

[Vteckidd]

^^^^ if you don't patent something that's your fault . people steal ideas all the time.

[Sinfix_15]

Lol what a clown , I knew better responding!

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No need to get so butt hurt when someone drops the truth on you.

[Glides]

^^^^ if you don't patent something that's your fault . people steal ideas all the time.


Sorry Glides, you build a car, you cant patent it.

What you said.

And like I said, patent and copyrighting are completely different. So is creative license where the entertainment industry is concerned.

Either way, i'll be interested in finding out what happens. I hope he gets his due from them. It is owed to him. In the world of entertainment this is a rip. Same with a beat, lyrics, or a video for a song. They ripped it plain and simple.

[C230K]

What you said.

And like I said, patent and copyrighting are completely different. So is creative license where the entertainment industry is concerned.

Either way, i'll be interested in finding out what happens. I hope he gets his due from them. It is owed to him. In the world of entertainment this is a rip. Same with a beat, lyrics, or a video for a song. They ripped it plain and simple.

This is automotive not entertainment, people copy other people's car all the time, its nothing new. Take a look at the Car Pics Section of this forum and click on the car meets threads. For example take a look at the civics, they are all similar in some sort of way. Stickers check, Poked out wheels check, Hood riser check, Plush Domo hanging from the tow hook check, and etc. There is no reason for Vengeance to feel bummed at all, he should be more cocky if that.

[Vteckidd]

What you said.

And like I said, patent and copyrighting are completely different. So is creative license where the entertainment industry is concerned.

Either way, i'll be interested in finding out what happens. I hope he gets his due from them. It is owed to him. In the world of entertainment this is a rip. Same with a beat, lyrics, or a video for a song. They ripped it plain and simple.

theres no patent, and im not sure artistic copyright extends to a car. IM almost 100% sure it doesnt. Now, if he could somehow prove that he designed all this stuff himself then maybe he could treat it like a painting. But i highly doubt that, there are cars that look almost identical to his (not 100% the same).

WIthout being able to prove the "unique" aspect of the car, which he cant, all Michael Bay has to say is "wow, what a coincidence, ive never seen his car before".

Show me a case where someone sued and won that someone "copied" their car.

If hes lucky, Michael Bay , who seems like a car guy, might say "cool car" to him. BUt i highly doubt there is anything else he can get from it

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theres no patent, and im not sure artistic copyright extends to a car. IM almost 100% sure it doesnt. Now, if he could somehow prove that he designed all this stuff himself then maybe he could treat it like a painting. But i highly doubt that, there are cars that look almost identical to his (not 100% the same).

WIthout being able to prove the "unique" aspect of the car, which he cant, all Michael Bay has to say is "wow, what a coincidence, ive never seen his car before".

Show me a case where someone sued and won that someone "copied" their car.

If hes lucky, Michael Bay , who seems like a car guy, might say "cool car" to him. BUt i highly doubt there is anything else he can get from it

You really haven't read a single thing I have typed really. It extends to any art. All he has to is show that it is art. Doesn't matter if it has an engine. Everything changes when they start making money off of the design. So while you can't sue any yahoo that copies your car and drives it to a meet, once it hits the big screen it's a whole different ballgame.

All it takes is the threat of a lawsuit and they will pay him. Costs them too much not too. Especially on a movie as large as Transformers 4. I work on movies, every day, and with that type of budget all he has to do is contact them. Anything under 50 grand is pennies to that show. So there is no case where someone sued a movie company and won because it will never get to that point. I hope that is simple enough to understand.

We'll see what happens. I hope it works out for him.

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This is automotive not entertainment, people copy other people's car all the time, its nothing new. Take a look at the Car Pics Section of this forum and click on the car meets threads. For example take a look at the civics, they are all similar in some sort of way. Stickers check, Poked out wheels check, Hood riser check, Plush Domo hanging from the tow hook check, and etc. There is no reason for Vengeance to feel bummed at all, he should be more cocky if that.

And you are completely incorrect. This is NOT automotive, this entire thread is about Entertainment. Car pics section doesn't mean a hill of beans in what we are talking about. Why even post this?

Have you even read the build up on his car? Hood Riser? It took 4 hoods to make that hood, longer overhang and other little tweaks on the hood. Not counting the tweaks and changes to the rest of the body. All hand built, not bought. The grill alone on that car is a feat. Fully tig welded and lengthened. So you can point out poked wheels and tow hook and stickers....but you didn't read, you just looked and jumped in here with an assumption which was an ill informed one.

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LMFAO at the idea of copying something is stealing and offensable.....Guess almost everyone is going to be sued

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The people complaining about a movie car looking like their own car and accusing a movie of stealing their design might be the biggest display of douchebaggery in the history of the site.

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You really haven't read a single thing I have typed really. It extends to any art. All he has to is show that it is art. Doesn't matter if it has an engine. Everything changes when they start making money off of the design. So while you can't sue any yahoo that copies your car and drives it to a meet, once it hits the big screen it's a whole different ballgame.

All it takes is the threat of a lawsuit and they will pay him. Costs them too much not too. Especially on a movie as large as Transformers 4. I work on movies, every day, and with that type of budget all he has to do is contact them. Anything under 50 grand is pennies to that show. So there is no case where someone sued a movie company and won because it will never get to that point. I hope that is simple enough to understand.

We'll see what happens. I hope it works out for him.

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You really haven't read a single thing I have typed really. It extends to any art. All he has to is show that it is art. Doesn't matter if it has an engine. Everything changes when they start making money off of the design. So while you can't sue any yahoo that copies your car and drives it to a meet, once it hits the big screen it's a whole different ballgame.

All it takes is the threat of a lawsuit and they will pay him. Costs them too much not too. Especially on a movie as large as Transformers 4. I work on movies, every day, and with that type of budget all he has to do is contact them. Anything under 50 grand is pennies to that show. So there is no case where someone sued a movie company and won because it will never get to that point. I hope that is simple enough to understand.

We'll see what happens. I hope it works out for him.

Respectfully, having lots of experience in patent law, youre wrong. He should try and sue to see if he can win, but he doesnt own that car, Chevy does. He doesnt own the fender flares, someone else does.

He bought pre-made parts made specifically for his car that are offered to a wide degree of customers. Nothing about his car is truly CUSTOM (unless you can tell me what he handmade) and even then, its debatable.

Im sorry, its not ART in the terms of being protected against IP. Theres nothing illegal about seeing someones car and copying it.

Are you actually trying to tell me that IF i went and built a replica Jurassic Park Ford Explorer they could sue me?

I disagree, they would sick 1000s of lawyers on him to tell him to fuck off, because they cant have every fanboy internet person suing them over "hey that looks like my car"

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I think imma go sue the dealership... they have the same year, model, and color of my car on their lots! And not just one... a bunch of them!

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Respectfully, having lots of experience in patent law, youre wrong. He should try and sue to see if he can win, but he doesnt own that car, Chevy does. He doesnt own the fender flares, someone else does.

He bought pre-made parts made specifically for his car that are offered to a wide degree of customers. Nothing about his car is truly CUSTOM (unless you can tell me what he handmade) and even then, its debatable.

Im sorry, its not ART in the terms of being protected against IP. Theres nothing illegal about seeing someones car and copying it.

Are you actually trying to tell me that IF i went and built a replica Jurassic Park Ford Explorer they could sue me?

I disagree, they would sick 1000s of lawyers on him to tell him to fuck off, because they cant have every fanboy internet person suing them over "hey that looks like my car"

Exactly. For him to claim it is ART, he would have had to design the car itself. He didn't. Chevy did. He just added stuff to it.

If you built a fiberglass kit car into something you've never seen before, then you may have a leg to stand on. Or a West Coast chopper custom bike . Then you'd have to give credit to the builder.

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Are you actually trying to tell me that IF i went and built a replica Jurassic Park Ford Explorer they could sue me? "

As long as you don't use the Jurassic Park name or logo, you're good to go. ;)

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Are you actually trying to tell me that IF i went and built a replica Jurassic Park Ford Explorer they could sue me?



You are missing the the key point.

No, they could not sue you if you copied it and drove it around. YES they could sue you if you used it in your own movie, or music video, or promoted your business with it. You would get a cease and desist notice from them with a time limit to take whatever they feel you infringed upon down. If you don't, they sue you. THAT is what I keep trying to explain to you but you don't seem to get it.
It's not that they copied it, there is nothing that says they cant. It's that they will trademark HIS car and then use it's image to make themselves money. Whether he has a leg to stand on in a lawsuit, who knows. But the entire point of the thread was that they copied his car, and they did.

You keep falling back to you can't copyright or patent a car. You damn sure can and they will do it. Bumblebee, his car's likeness, will become a licensed trademark of that studio. How can you not see this? EVERY SINGLE Transformers vehicle and likeness is copyrighted and trademarked. Matter of fact, the Jurassic Park vehicle is also licensed and trademarked, wonder how they did that? For someone that claims to know a good bit about patenting and licensing, you are missing a good bit.

All he really has to do is send them a cease and desist and they will contact him. They might tell him to get bent, but I doubt it. It's negative publicity on their movie. If one of showed up on any movie i've worked on, they would take it seriously. It's too much risk for them when they can dump some money on them and make it go away. Motor Trend has gotten involved along with a couple others, so I guess it really doesn't matter what the bean squad on IA thinks.

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You keep falling back to you can't copyright or patent a car. You damn sure can and they will do it. Bumblebee, his car's likeness, will become a licensed trademark of that studio. How can you not see this? EVERY SINGLE Transformers vehicle and likeness is copyrighted and trademarked. Matter of fact, the Jurassic Park vehicle is also licensed and trademarked, wonder how they did that? For someone that claims to know a good bit about patenting and licensing, you are missing a good bit.

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Bumblebee the character as a TRANSFORMER is INDEED copyrighted, NOT THE VW Beetle he was. Although I guarantee SINCE VW created the BEETLE they did have to get permission to use it. Do a little research and youll see the patents and trademarks Hasbro has.

Are you claiming he invented a car?

Wrong, the JP LOGO is copyrighted, not the Explorer itself. you can replicate that exact same explorer all you want, as long as you dont use the logo which is copyrighted.

Vengenace has NO CASE, he has nothing original to sue over nor did he create ANYTHING.

here let me make it more simple:

Michael Bay would have to ask for permission to use a Chevy in his movie, he would not have to ask for permission to use the color BLUE.

the only case, and i mean the .0000001% that Vengeance might have, is if he can somehow find someone willing to make the leap that Chevy Camaro>custom>bumblebee> merchandising rights> profit. He would have to somehow prove that the car is his and only his, no one else can copy it, he has a PATENT on the car and its design as some form of art, and that he has a right to the monetary licensing rights that the movie will produce.

IF that could even happen, ill bet you $1 million dollars the studio chooses a different car or changes something to get around the patent rules.

You are ignoring 1 key factor, HE HAS NO PATENT and a CAR IS NOT ART.

Youre saying i Could go buy a Playstation 3, paint it red, and if someone in a movie uses a red playstation 3 I can claim its mine and i own it. I mean its really ludicrous to claim someone who mods a car by buying other manufactures parts is somehow unique and special.

gimme a break.

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you realize there are 1000s of BUMBLEBEE colored camaros that you CANNOT sue over, there is no infringement. However, if you called your car Bumblebee and displayed a non paid for Autobots logo, you COULD be sued as the Character Bumblebee and the Logo are copyrighted/trademarked.

You have to ask yourself, could Michael Bay have come up with the design of this camaro WITHOUT ever seeing Vengeances car, I think the answer is YES.

So if i buy a CRX, paint it red, I can now sue anyone who uses a Red CRX in a movie if they attempt to monetize it? I think the issue everyone misses is that the character Bumblebee is trademarked not the car. If yo ucan point me to a case where someone sued or sent a cease and desist letter over a car that was styled the same, id love to see it. I doubt it exists.

Maybe youre right, maybe the studio would just pay him off to be over it, I liken it to ambulance chasing. the more you extort people over frivolous lawsuits, the less of a "car guy" i think you really are. It just ensures that in the future, studios will make you sign 100930292002s of pages of waivers to use a car, driving the cost of movie tickets up :P

my point has been made, i really have nothing else to add to the conversation.

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Bumblebee the character as a TRANSFORMER is INDEED copyrighted, NOT THE VW Beetle he was. Although I guarantee SINCE VW created the BEETLE they did have to get permission to use it. Do a little research and youll see the patents and trademarks Hasbro has.

Are you claiming he invented a car?

Wrong, the JP LOGO is copyrighted, not the Explorer itself. you can replicate that exact same explorer all you want, as long as you dont use the logo which is copyrighted.

Vengenace has NO CASE, he has nothing original to sue over nor did he create ANYTHING.

here let me make it more simple:

Michael Bay would have to ask for permission to use a Chevy in his movie, he would not have to ask for permission to use the color BLUE.

the only case, and i mean the .0000001% that Vengeance might have, is if he can somehow find someone willing to make the leap that Chevy Camaro>custom>bumblebee> merchandising rights> profit. He would have to somehow prove that the car is his and only his, no one else can copy it, he has a PATENT on the car and its design as some form of art, and that he has a right to the monetary licensing rights that the movie will produce.

IF that could even happen, ill bet you $1 million dollars the studio chooses a different car or changes something to get around the patent rules.

You are ignoring 1 key factor, HE HAS NO PATENT and a CAR IS NOT ART.

Youre saying i Could go buy a Playstation 3, paint it red, and if someone in a movie uses a red playstation 3 I can claim its mine and i own it. I mean its really ludicrous to claim someone who mods a car by buying other manufactures parts is somehow unique and special.

gimme a break.


THANK GOD you understand partly now.

They copied the LIKENESS of his car right down to the same wheels he used. That car is a carbon copy of the likeness of his car...which THEY will now copyright. They will copyright the likeness of his car and make money off of it. Which for all intents and purposes it COPYING his car. Has this sunk in yet? It's your words man, not mine. I don't know why you are beating around this dead horse.

Buddy, Michael Bay has about a million other things on his mind other than researching how to come up with the perfect restomod Bumblebee. Things like turning a 21 year old girl in to a vegetable in a stunt gone wrong, or his assistant having a heart attack at his feet during filming. He leaves the finding of the cars up to his people in his art department do for him. Once they have ideas, he picks it. How long do you think a movie takes to film? From green light to pre-production to filming to post production to release? Things like picture cars are left to a designer who prints out photos of pre-existing cars and then they choose. They will modify them if they aren't exactly what they want, which in this case, the car was exactly what they wanted.

And the answer to your question about Bay coming up with the design....I highly doubt it. Nobody in this entire thread has shown a photo of another Camaro that is an exact copy of his. We get photos of a car with one thing, or a car with another. If it's so easy to come up with it, there should be hundreds of them. Not to mention the production company called up the exact same wheel manufacturer and ordered the exact same wheels with the exact same measurements when Totems were the only ones in existence with those specifications. His wheel manufacturer called him when the production called them to order the wheels. Asked for the ones on the Vengeance car. There is SO much more that you don't know about this thing. That is why it is so ironic that you are arguing so hard against it. You could just wish the guy luck and call it a day, but not you...oh no. It's to the mats for ol Vteckidd...as always.

Let's look at other cars what are trademarked.
The Monkeymobile, the Munstermobile, Dragula, The batmobile (All versions even back to the 40's which was a production car), Mad Max's Falcon XB, The Jurassic Park Exlorer, The Fast and Furious vehicles and many many more. They are all trademarked. Not the CAR, but the likeness of the car. That way the production companies can give out a licensing right to say...Mattel Toys, to make little toys of them you can put on your desk at work, each and every one of the Monster trucks that compete, Nascars, Formula one cars...the list goes on and on. Copy one of those and try to use it to make money. Lawsuit. A car most certainly is art. Some of the ones above are full out customs, some aren't. The Mad Max car is a complete bolt on car, I have a build sheet for it. No custom parts about it. So If you don't think the can be trademarked, use your skills and copy one, promote your business with it and see what happens.

As for waivers, I know now that you know nothing about the film industry. EVERYTHING already has waivers. You stick to building cars Kidd, you are pretty good at it. The film industry is out to do one thing and one thing only, separate you from any dollars you have in your pockets. Also, how in the world does a frivolous lawsuit make me any less of a car guy. That one was pretty far reaching there Vtec. Especially when all I have tried to do in this thread was enlighten you on how the film industry works and I was sticking up for a car guy. It's you who has tried at every turn to tear him down, tear his car down and make it all look like he was a greedy kid right up to having to eat crow earlier in the thread say you were trying to do that. Get real Kidd.

Anyway, i'm out. It was an enlightening discussion as always on Import Atlanta. Good luck all of ya.

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well then its on you guys to prove me wrong. Fact is this is all Bullshit unless you can show me where you can prove LIKENESS is the same as stealing ART. He doesnt have a copyright or patent or trademark on his cars likeness. Unless you are now equating likeness with defacto trademarking.

Im sorry I just disagree with you. Car guy or not, i see ZERO evidence of anything being STOLEN considering he doesnt own the style or design of his car in the first place. I know the waivers needed to have cars in movies, I was at FF5 filming. I had friends in it. Most of it was waivers for damages and such. But even so its not the same thing you are equating this too.

in regards to merchandising, go for it, man up, sue, prove me wrong.

good luck