The great gun debate: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

[Browning151]

A Pew Research study released yesterday shows that firearm homicide is down nearly 50% over the past 20 years, and the victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm is down 75%, yet we need to jump to a knee-jerk reaction and start passing laws because of a few nuts. Funny, I haven't seen much media attention to statistics such as these, wonder why?

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-1-1.png
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/ (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/)

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They must have left Chicago out of those statistics

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A Pew Research study released yesterday shows that firearm homicide is down nearly 50% over the past 20 years, and the victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm is down 75%, yet we need to jump to a knee-jerk reaction and start passing laws because of a few nuts. Funny, I haven't seen much media attention to statistics such as these, wonder why?

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-1-1.png
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/ (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/)

Hmmm. Something happened 20 years ago. I can't seem to remember....

And the majority also thinks the proposed laws aren't bad laws

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They must have left Chicago out of those statistics

Chicago is included, but Chicago also has other contributing factors to is amount of crime.

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They must have left Chicago out of those statistics

Chicago's murder rate has been dropping pretty consistently for the last 20 years. That matches up with the trends shown in the graphs.

[David88vert]

Gun deaths have been dropping since 1992, fairly regularly. The heaviest gun death tolls were during the 1980s, which if you were alive long enough to remember, had a lot of gang and drig violence, followed by a massive LEO push to address gang issues.

Neither the assault weapons ban of 1994 nor having firearms in the hands of citizens addressed the gang violence. Instead, the FBI's task force organized local, state, and federal agencies to work together to combat it, and the media gradually reduced the regular coverage of the violence, which helped reduce the projected glorification of it.

[Sinfix_15]

Hmmm. Something happened 20 years ago. I can't seem to remember....

And the majority also thinks the proposed laws aren't bad laws

yeah, 10% of polls show that 90% of people agree with Obama's gun laws. That qualifies as a "liberal fact". Step 2 call everyone who opposes your ideology ignorant.

[Sinfix_15]

Chicago is included, but Chicago also has other contributing factors to is amount of crime.

Democratic leadership.... dense population of minorities.... inability for law abiding citizens to defend themselves.

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yeah, 10% of polls show that 90% of people agree with Obama's gun laws. That qualifies as a "liberal fact". Step 2 call everyone who opposes your ideology ignorant.

Step 2, call willfully ignorant people ignorant. Especially when they call facts liberal and dismiss them because it doesn't conform to their ideology.

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Democratic leadership.... dense population of minorities.... inability for law abiding citizens to defend themselves.

Democratic leadership, and the crime rate is going down. Is that a correlation too?

[Sinfix_15]

Step 2, call willfully ignorant people ignorant. Especially when they call facts liberal and dismiss them because it doesn't conform to their ideology.


on cue and as predictable as the sun coming up.........


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[Sinfix_15]

Democratic leadership, and the crime rate is going down. Is that a correlation too?

"going down" is a generalization. If 100 people killed a day drops to 99 people killed a day, the number of people being killed a day "is going down".

Chicago is a cesspool and remains the worst city in the united states.

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"going down" is a generalization. If 100 people killed a day drops to 99 people killed a day, the number of people being killed a day "is going down".

Chicago is a cesspool and remains the worst city in the united states.

No, it's not a generalization, depending on your time scale.

The crime rate has been in steady decline for the last 20 years. You said its high today because there's a democratic regime in place. But there's been a democratic regime in place for 20 years and crime is on the decline. So why is it ok to accept a correlation in a false statistic, and not in a real one?

[Sinfix_15]

No, it's not a generalization, depending on your time scale.

The crime rate has been in steady decline for the last 20 years. You said its high today because there's a democratic regime in place. But there's been a democratic regime in place for 20 years and crime is on the decline. So why is it ok to accept a correlation in a false statistic, and not in a real one?

And where has chicago ranked for the last 20 years in crime rate????

[David88vert]

No, it's not a generalization, depending on your time scale.

The crime rate has been in steady decline for the last 20 years. You said its high today because there's a democratic regime in place. But there's been a democratic regime in place for 20 years and crime is on the decline. So why is it ok to accept a correlation in a false statistic, and not in a real one?

Bingo. Time scale is relevant. Start it in the 1960s and the percentages are different.
Don't forget that Bush was in there as well, plus a Republicqn House and at times Senate also.

[David88vert]

And where has chicago ranked for the last 20 years in crime rate????

20 years? How about the last 100 years.

[Sinfix_15]

20 years? How about the last 100 years.


hmmm... wonder if anything happened about 100 years ago that could have had shaped chicago into what it is today.


History of African Americans in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_African_Americans_in_Chicago)

[Echonova]

Nobody... Not Obama, not the Democrats, not the Republicans, nobody. Has even addressed, nor passed any legislation to rid us of the deadliest weapon ever to be constructed. Let's just hope Al-Qaeda doesn't get a hold of one.







































































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Bingo. Time scale is relevant. Start it in the 1960s and the percentages are different.
Don't forget that Bush was in there as well, plus a Republicqn House and at times Senate also.

I'm really talking about more locally.

[David88vert]

I'm really talking about more locally.

Locally? As in GA? This has been a Republican state since the beginning of the Reagan era.
Georgia Election Results (http://www.sos.ga.gov/elections/election_results/)

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Locally in Chicago

[David88vert]

Locally in Chicago



I've never thought of Chicago as being local, so I'm sure you can understand why I was asking.

[BanginJimmy]

Let me tell you all a few things about Chicago, from someone that was there.


1. Late 80's and into the early 90's the Latin Kings and Folk Nation were in the middle of a massive war for territory. There were shootings and beatings on an hourly basis.
2. Starting in the mid 90's, Chicago started to tear down the housing projects and move the residents to other areas of the city or into the suburbs, mainly Southside and Westside.
3. AWB didnt mean a damn thing. In ~'95, I could go into the Robert Taylor Homes and get a full auto AK for 3k. In early '97, I could get a semi auto Uzi for $500.
4. What party held the mayor's seat of Gov's office is irrelevant. What really matters in Chicago politics are the Aldermen.

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I for some reason watch Chicago news every now and then when bored. All they bitch about is the weather and the murder rate by guns on the street.