Hostage situation in the ATL as we speak

[Sinfix_15]

Gunman holds 4 firefighters hostage in Georgia home | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/10/5-firefighters-taken-hostage-in-georgia/)

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Welp. They killed him. Guess that's that.

[David88vert]

White guy? They always kill the white guy.

[On_Her_Face]

White people are usually the first to go nuts.

[Bacon]

Glad to hear it ended the way it did. I was at Gwinnett Medical Center's ER when the five firefighters and the one officer was brought in.

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[eraser4g63]

Glad the bastards dead.

[Andr3w]

Got what he deserved for sure. Was it a SWAT officer that killed him?

[David88vert]

If Obama had bailed out the home foreclosures instead of the big banks, this never would have happened. If we could save just one life, we have to try......

[Vteckidd]

Deserved to die. He fired shots at armed swat and shot an officer.

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Bloodthirsty we are. Sheesh

[Bacon]

Got what he deserved for sure. Was it a SWAT officer that killed him?

It was one of the officers that stormed the room. One officer was shot but he will be fine.

Something we have to remember. People like me and Eraser are very vulnerable when it comes to a situation like this. What was supposed to be a typical medical call turned into a hostage situation. The same thing happened not long ago but the two firefighters in that situation didnt make it home.

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[Vteckidd]

Bloodthirsty we are. Sheesh

you take hostages, you fire at a cop, yeah, you deserve to get killed. He shot an wounded an officer. What did you want to do? Tell the cop who got shot to ask him nicely to stop?

Word was he was pissed off that he was being forclosed on, and his phone and utilities were shut off. Maybe if Obama you know, stopped partying with Justin Timberlake and playing golf, and got people back to work, this never would have happened.

BOOYA

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you take hostages, you fire at a cop, yeah, you deserve to get killed. He shot an wounded an officer. What did you want to do? Tell the cop who got shot to ask him nicely to stop?

So how many of the hostages, police officers did he kill?

[Sinfix_15]

So how many of the hostages, police officers did he kill?

How many of the sandy hook kids did the other 100 million gun owners in america shoot?

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How many of the sandy hook kids did the other 100 million gun owners in america shoot?

What the fuck does this even mean?

[Sinfix_15]

What the fuck does this even mean?

Apologies, I try to put myself in a state of mind that understands your affinity for defending criminals and demonizing the innocent. Sometimes your hypocrisy just baffles me and i'm at a loss for words.

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Apologies, I try to put myself in a state of mind that understands your affinity for defending criminals and demonizing the innocent. Sometimes your hypocrisy just baffles me and i'm at a loss for words.

This response is up there in the list of the dumbest things you've ever typed. That list is long and it grows larger by the minute.

[Bacon]

So how many of the hostages, police officers did he kill?

He didn't kill anyone but as Mike mentioned, you put your self in this position, take hostages, and fire at cops......the rest falls into place.

The events that unfolded happened exactly the way it needed to.

[Sinfix_15]

This response is up there in the list of the dumbest things you've ever typed. That list is long and it grows larger by the minute.

Compliment well received. Since i was mocking the stupidity of your post.

[Sinfix_15]

He didn't kill anyone but as Mike mentioned, you put your self in this position, take hostages, and fire at cops......the rest falls into place.

The events that unfolded happened exactly the way it needed to.

In Blank's perfect world, this is how that scenario plays out.


Number 1, the guy wouldnt have a gun because guns wouldnt be available to the public. If he took hostages with a knife or some other object, the police would storm in and shoot him with beanbags or some other nonlethal weapon type. He would then spend the next year of his life visiting a therapist, in which case the state would probably declare him unfit to return to work, he would then be set up in a nice section8 home where he no longer had to be stressed out by the the obligation of bills or working, he would then live out the rest of his life peacefully while be cradled in the loving arms of father government. There's no such thing as punishment in this world, everything about life caters to the inadequacies of each individual. There's no fail or succeed, there's only do or let someone else do for you.

That's blank's world.

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He didn't kill anyone but as Mike mentioned, you put your self in this position, take hostages, and fire at cops......the rest falls into place.

So he didnt kill anyone, but he deserved to die? I'm just trying to figure out how the bloodlust in this thread is not a knee-jerk reaction...

What is the max sentence for a few counts of false imprisonment and attempted murder? Do we really want police officers playing "judge, jury, executioner" in these cases, or any cases?

It's just strange how the pro gun advocates that make up this thread were all about looking at mental health as a problem, then when the opportunity arises where we have someone, alive, that's willing to go to such great lengths to end someone else's life, and we end that opportunity to learn from it by taking his life, extrajudiciously.

No one is any wiser.

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In Blank's perfect world, this is how that scenario plays out.


Number 1, the guy wouldnt have a gun because guns wouldnt be available to the public. If he took hostages with a knife or some other object, the police would storm in and shoot him with beanbags or some other nonlethal weapon type. He would then spend the next year of his life visiting a therapist, in which case the state would probably declare him unfit to return to work, he would then be set up in a nice section8 home where he no longer had to be stressed out by the the obligation of bills or working, he would then live out the rest of his life peacefully while be cradled in the loving arms of father government. There's no such thing as punishment in this world, everything about life caters to the inadequacies of each individual. There's no fail or succeed, there's only do or let someone else do for you.

That's blank's world.

You're quite the fucking idiot today. Lol. Like I said before, you have no critical thought process of your own, and rather than using your brain, you make hasty generalizations, of which none are true, because its easier than thinking, and to you, it's "common sense"

I wouldn't even post anymore if I were you. You've proven you're not intellectually capable of holding a conversation past a 5th grade level. I wouldn't want to subject myself to further humility.

[Andr3w]

I understand both points of view but if the criminal were shooting at you would you be against firing back and defending yourself and putting the threat down?

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I understand both points of view but if the criminal were shooting at you would you be against firing back and defending yourself and putting the threat down?

I have a hard time believing a group of highly trained guerrila officers, full of marksmen with bulletproof suits and helmets had ZERO options other than to kill him. Surely he could have been disarmed or incapacitated.

[Sinfix_15]

So he didnt kill anyone, but he deserved to die? I'm just trying to figure out how the bloodlust in this thread is not a knee-jerk reaction...

What is the max sentence for a few counts of false imprisonment and attempted murder? Do we really want police officers playing "judge, jury, executioner" in these cases, or any cases?

It's just strange how the pro gun advocates that make up this thread were all about looking at mental health as a problem, then when the opportunity arises where we have someone, alive, that's willing to go to such great lengths to end someone else's life, and we end that opportunity to learn from it by taking his life, extrajudiciously.

No one is any wiser.

He was putting lives at risk, if we can save one life, then we have to try

[Sinfix_15]

You're quite the fucking idiot today. Lol. Like I said before, you have no critical thought process of your own, and rather than using your brain, you make hasty generalizations, of which none are true, because its easier than thinking, and to you, it's "common sense"

I wouldn't even post anymore if I were you. You've proven you're not intellectually capable of holding a conversation past a 5th grade level. I wouldn't want to subject myself to further humility.

The only confusion i suffer from is trying to understand how you believe the things you believe.

[bu villain]

Guy's life was in disarray, went postal and got killed. I don't know, I guess I don't feel the need to link this one to Obama or gun rights. You all have fun.

[Sinfix_15]

Guy's life was in disarray, went postal and got killed. I don't know, I guess I don't feel the need to link this one to Obama or gun rights. You all have fun.

If democrats didnt expect law abiding citizens to defend their rights every time a criminal did something, these wouldnt be such hostile topics. If a guy picks up a gun tomorrow in Nebraska and shoots someone, i'm expected to feel guilty about it. Its our "leader" leading the way.....

every tragedy in america is included into the campaign trail.

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The only confusion i suffer from is trying to understand how you believe the things you believe.

That I have more regard for human life and the establishment of the justice system than your average CoD'er? Is it too terribly difficult to keep in mind that guy was someone's son? What about the fact that up until a police officer shot him, he was only guilty of false imprisonment, and attempted murder, neither of which carry a death sentence on their own.

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That I have more regard for human life and the establishment of the justice system than your average CoD'er? Is it too terribly difficult to keep in mind that guy was someone's son? What about the fact that up until a police officer shot him, he was only guilty of false imprisonment, and attempted murder, neither of which carry a death sentence on their own.

The life of 4 fire fighters is more valuable than the life of someone willing to take firefighters hostage. While i would have liked to have seen the guy taken alive and put through the justice system, if i was a cop, getting the fire fighters out safely would have been my number one focus and i wouldnt have taken even a .000001% chance of risking their lives to save the life of the criminal.

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The life of 4 fire fighters is more valuable than the life of someone willing to take firefighters hostage. While i would have liked to have seen the guy taken alive and put through the justice system, if i was a cop, getting the fire fighters out safely would have been my number one focus and i wouldnt have taken even a .000001% chance of risking their lives to save the life of the criminal.

There ya go.

[Bacon]

If someone broke into your house and held you and/or your family hostage at gun point, would you want the suspect and the police to waltz out of the house holding hands singing and dancing or have it end the way it did?

I do believe that the intent was to take him alive but when you discharge a firearm at a police officer, you get what's coming to you.

Firefighters were ambushed in NY not long ago and two were killed. It's a blessing to public safety that none of the firefighters or officers were killed during this.

[bu villain]

If democrats didnt expect law abiding citizens to defend their rights every time a criminal did something, these wouldnt be such hostile topics. If a guy picks up a gun tomorrow in Nebraska and shoots someone, i'm expected to feel guilty about it. Its our "leader" leading the way.....

every tragedy in america is included into the campaign trail.

If someone in here says this incident is why we should not allow guns, I will argue along side you. but since no one has done that in this thread, I'm not gonna start an argument where there is none.

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If someone broke into your house and held you and/or your family hostage at gun point, would you want the suspect and the police to waltz out of the house holding hands singing and dancing or have it end the way it did?I would rather the suspect leave in handcuffs if I could help it.

[Sinfix_15]

If someone in here says this incident is why we should not allow guns, I will argue along side you. but since no one has done that in this thread, I'm not gonna start an argument where there is none.

Every criminal action assisted by a gun is being used to push the Democrat's anti-gun agenda.

[Vteckidd]

My blame it on Obama statement was said in jest, it was merely to show I too can be as asinine as some of the other posters in this thread

[bu villain]

Every criminal action assisted by a gun is being used as to push the Democrat's anti-gun agenda.

Even if that is true, I see no reason to respond to it here since I don't think they are reading this thread. That's like going to an evangelical church and trying to convince them to give their lives to Christ. Preaching to the choir.

Vteck, I understood your original comment to be in jest.

[Vteckidd]

So how many of the hostages, police officers did he kill?

ok, tell you what.

Go get your gun, walk down the street, take a hostage, then, when police officers CALMLY try to talk you out, start firing shots at them, and demand how they shold not be allowed to use deadly force. Let me know how that turns out.

For someone that claims to know the law, this is pretty bad of you to even try to argue, but I assume you are just trolling.

AHEM

When police officers are arresting someone for a felony, the courts have given them a little more leeway. The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest. However, if it is proved that an officer used more force than was necessary, the officer can be held criminally and civilly liable. In Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1, 105 S. Ct. 1694, 85 L. Ed. 2d 1 (1985), the Supreme Court ruled that it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment for police officers to use deadly force to stop fleeing felony suspects who are nonviolent and unarmed. The decision, with an opinion written by Justice byron r. white, said, in part, "We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

Firing a weapon is deadly force, deadly force is allowed to be used by officers. Case closed.

EDIT: also, only 1 shot was fired by the officer, WHO WAS SHOT IN THE FUCKING ARM while entering the room. Dude ENTERED THE ROOM, WAS SHOT, AND THEN RETURNED 1 SHOT AND KILLED THE SUSPECT.

NO OTHER OFFICERS FIRED ANY BULLETS.

DESERVED TO DIE

[Bacon]

I would rather the suspect leave in handcuffs if I could help it.

Better man than I am.

However, setting aside the criminal false imprisonment and any other charges that could have been applied, look at the actions that took place at the very end. Officers are advised per oath to use only the necessary amount of force to overcome the situation and take control. Given that the suspect had a loaded weapon and therefore discharged it, OCGA 17-4-20(b) Use of Deadly Force now comes into play. Whether the firearm discharged upon shock of the officer's intrusion into the room or a direct act towards the officers took place, the use of deadly force is applicable and was used. I am almost sure that the officers had every intention to take him alive hence why flash bangs were used. At the end of the day, nobody on this forum was there at the scene and speaking from personal experience being in that ER when the four firefighters and the one officer were brought in, it's nice to know I don't have to plan for another In The Line of Duty Ride for a public service member who was killed.

[Vteckidd]

I would rather the suspect leave in handcuffs if I could help it.

I would too, until he decided to shoot an officer. At that point , all bets are off.

Did anyone here say "man im so glad that mofo got killed, i wish we could kill mor ecriminals!"

FUCK NO

I said, he DESERVED TO DIE. When you take a gun and shoot at a COP, hes TRYING TO KILL A COP. Hes lucky he didnt. That cop has to act as he is trained and defend himself. This wasnt a Cop just popping off for fun. HE WAS SHOT IN THE ARM and had to have surgery.

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ok, tell you what.

Go get your gun, walk down the street, take a hostage, then, when police officers CALMLY try to talk you out, start firing shots at them, and demand how they shold not be allowed to use deadly force. Let me know how that turns out.

For someone that claims to know the law, this is pretty bad of you to even try to argue, but I assume you are just trolling.

AHEM


Firing a weapon is deadly force, deadly force is allowed to be used by officers. Case closed.

EDIT: also, only 1 shot was fired by the officer, WHO WAS SHOT IN THE FUCKING ARM while entering the room. Dude ENTERED THE ROOM, WAS SHOT, AND THEN RETURNED 1 SHOT AND KILLED THE SUSPECT.

NO OTHER OFFICERS FIRED ANY BULLETS.

DESERVED TO DIEI can't say that that situation would end well, because I'm not at the end of my rope. No one knows what he was thinking, and no one will ever know, because dead men tell no tales. That's the point Im trying to make.

I'm not claiming that they're not allowed to use deadly force. I'm simply commenting on the rather unsettling "acceptance" of extrajudiciary sentencing in this case. Like its a great thing the cops killed him. It's really not.

[Bacon]

Guy fired a loaded weapon on the police? What's not to accept?

[Bacon]

Geoff, I do understand where you are coming from though because human life is valuable but in a situation like this the suspect brought it on himself. He voluntarily took five people hostage at gunpoint, made ransom demands, and in the end paid the ultimate price with his life when things turned south. As a medic, I swore to oath to do no harm but at the same time I won't take any shit and will defend myself and others to my fullest extent.

[Vteckidd]

No one knows what he was thinking, and no one will ever know, because dead men tell no tales. That's the point Im trying to make.



This insinuates that the cops acted illegally, DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES is a phrase used to advocate for killing someone so as to hide the details because if the real story came out, it may not be favorable.

This is simply NOT the case and there is no "blood lusting" going on.

Shit happens to people EVERY MOTHERFUCKING day. doesnt excuse the behavior this guy displayed. He didnt need to be coddled, he made a choice, and that choice was to kidnap and hold hostage 4 Medics/Firefighters to try and get his power turned back on, his cell phone put back on, and he lied to do it. After all that, he fired shots at a Officer after hours of a stand off, and wounded the officer.

Officer had every right to shoot back.

Furthermore, i think its disgusting you are making excuses for a criminal who shot an officer of the law who was carrying out his duty and job and then question the manner in which he provides that protection. What did you want the cop to do?
"Excuse me, please stop shooting at me, so we can calmly talk about this, forget the fact you just shot me in the arm and are clearly not in control of your actions".

Next time you get mugged, ask the mugger to stop politely
Or
Next time someone you know gets raped, just tell them "man all you had to do was ask them to stop politely"

I really think youre just trolling at this point.

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Geoff, I do understand where you are coming from.

That's all I'm looking for.

My mission was to change the tone of the the thread from bloodthirsty, to "hey, there's two sides of this".

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This insinuates that the cops acted illegally, DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES is a phrase used to advocate for killing someone so as to hide the details because if the real story came out, it may not be favorable.

This is simply NOT the case and there is no "blood lusting" going on.

Shit happens to people EVERY MOTHERFUCKING day. doesnt excuse the behavior this guy displayed. He didnt need to be coddled, he made a choice, and that choice was to kidnap and hold hostage 4 Medics/Firefighters to try and get his power turned back on, his cell phone put back on, and he lied to do it. After all that, he fired shots at a Officer after hours of a stand off, and wounded the officer.

Officer had every right to shoot back.

Furthermore, i think its disgusting you are making excuses for a criminal who shot an officer of the law who was carrying out his duty and job and then question the manner in which he provides that protection. What did you want the cop to do?
"Excuse me, please stop shooting at me, so we can calmly talk about this, forget the fact you just shot me in the arm and are clearly not in control of your actions".

Next time you get mugged, ask the mugger to stop politely
Or
Next time someone you know gets raped, just tell them "man all you had to do was ask them to stop politely"

I really think youre just trolling at this point.

Facepalm. All of this.

Nothing you said was insinuated by me, unless you took it that way.

[Vteckidd]

Other SWAT members set off a stun blast to distract Brown and stormed the house. Brown opened fire on the first officer as he entered the bedroom. The man was hit in the left arm by one of the shots, but managed to return fire, killing Brown. Before Brown fired, police told him to drop his weapon, Walters said.

Read more: Georgia gunman who held firefighters hostage in home identified as Lauren Brown - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ga-firefighters-hostage-relieved-ordeal-article-1.1313481#ixzz2QCNm66Uh)


So either the criminal goes down, or the hostages, the real victims, get killed. Id rather the gunmen go down.

[Vteckidd]

That's all I'm looking for.

My mission was to change the tone of the the thread from bloodthirsty, to "hey, there's two sides of this".

what two sides? Theres not two sides.

An evil person was shot and killed, his actions dictated he was going to die.

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Unless this is the republicans fault somehow

[Bacon]

That's all I'm looking for.

My mission was to change the tone of the the thread from bloodthirsty, to "hey, there's two sides of this".

Being bloodthirsty is part of being human especially in this day in age. An officer's goal is to remove all parties involved from danger; in this case the objective was likely obtain hostages and secure the suspect with neutralization being a potential factor. Given the circumstances, the officers did what had to be done to preserve further life and limb.

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what two sides? Theres not two sides.

You could kill him, or you could not kill him

[Vteckidd]

You could kill him, or you could not kill him
When you use deadly force, there is no other option. When you open fire on a police officer, there is no other choice. You defend yourself, or you die.

[eraser4g63]

Dude took 5 people who were summoned to his home because he called 911. These people responded because he called for help. Fuck him, I'm glad he is dead. He was a shit bag and decided to travel the path of a shit bag. May he burn in hell or what ever form of after life he believed in. They should hang him in the town square and make a fucking example of him so copy cats don't get bright ideas. I can't wait for Obama to come parade them around during a press conference.....

[Sinfix_15]

That's all I'm looking for.

My mission was to change the tone of the the thread from bloodthirsty, to "hey, there's two sides of this".

Yep.... two sides to it... and apparently a bullet went in one side and came out the other. Glad the fire fighters and police are ok.

Do you share the same empathy for the victims of these?
http://outsideislamabad.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/300409DRONE-300x205.jpg

how about this guy? how do you feel about him being killed? i assume there's two sides of that story too..... but our president is too busy campaigning.

http://c481901.r1.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Chris-Stevens-US-ambassador-300x245.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

Dude took 5 people who were summoned to his home because he called 911. These people responded because he called for help. Fuck him, I'm glad he is dead. He was a shit bag and decided to travel the path of a shit bag. May he burn in hell or what ever form of after life he believed in. They should hang him in the town square and make a fucking example of him so copy cats don't get bright ideas. I can't wait for Obama to come parade them around during a press conference.....

Hopefully he will get impeached for its all said done, that way america can have some of it's dignity back.

[ISAtlanta300]

I'm not claiming that they're not allowed to use deadly force. I'm simply commenting on the rather unsettling "acceptance" of extrajudiciary sentencing in this case. Like its a great thing the cops killed him. It's really not.

FUCK YEA it's a great thing the cops killed him BEFORE he had the chance to hurt anyone else. He made his choice. And he has to live, and die with that choice.

Tell you what. What if when he fired at the cop, wounding him, they just backed off, regrouped outside and he decided to kill all 4 firefighters? Or what if they didn't even attempt to break into the house, and just let time run out, then have him kill those 4 firefighters and then himself? Is this a better option for you?

The guy was unstable, and armed. Negotiations failed. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE did you want them to do??

They also didn't go in gun blazing. They only killed him when he decided to make the choice to fire at the police officer. If he was capable of doing that, that tells me he had no problem offing off everyone including himself. Guy was ready to go.

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FUCK YEA it's a great thing the cops killed him BEFORE he had the chance to hurt anyone else. He made his choice. And he has to live, and die with that choice.

Tell you what. What if when he fired at the cop, wounding him, they just backed off, regrouped outside and he decided to kill all 4 firefighters? Or what if they didn't even attempt to break into the house, and just let time run out, then have him kill those 4 firefighters and then himself? Is this a better option for you?

The guy was unstable, and armed. Negotiations failed. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE did you want them to do?

Who the fuck here was suggesting the cops backed off?

[ISAtlanta300]

Who the fuck here was suggesting the cops backed off?

Then what did you want to see happen, oh enlightened one. Enlighten us with your genius. What would you have done, as an officer.

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Then what did you want to see happen, oh enlightened one. Enlighten us with your genius. What would you have done, as an officer.

Did you bother reading the rest of the thread?

[ISAtlanta300]

Did you bother reading the rest of the thread?

Yes, I did. Did you? Other than spouting out bleeding heart liberal banter, I haven't seen you offer any other suggestion that "oh the poor man, they killed the poor man, he was someone's son"

So your point is we should have hugged and cuddled him and say, "don't worry. everything will be all right. Let's sing"??

Here, let me refresh your memory.

"So he didnt kill anyone, but he deserved to die? I'm just trying to figure out how the bloodlust in this thread is not a knee-jerk reaction...."

and

" I have a hard time believing a group of highly trained guerrila officers, full of marksmen with bulletproof suits and helmets had ZERO options other than to kill him. Surely he could have been disarmed or incapacitated. "

And yet,

"that I have more regard for human life ." " Is it too terribly difficult to keep in mind that guy was someone's son? What about the fact that up until a police officer shot him, he was only guilty of false imprisonment, and attempted murder, neither of which carry a death sentence on their own. "


Look, they didn't go there to kill the man. But he wasn't cooperating. What else did you want them to do??? When someone is putting innocent lives in danger, the priority is to save those innocent lives AT ALL COST.

So again, what would you have done, as an officer in that situation, given all the facts how it played out? turn the cable on? pay his bills?

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So you read the thread, you just didnt understand everything?

When you use cliches like "bleeding heart liberal", its hard for me to take you seriously as someone who can make their own educated opinions, instead of mimicking the hive mind.

[ISAtlanta300]

So you read the thread, you just didnt understand everything?

When you use cliches like "bleeding heart liberal", its hard for me to take you seriously as someone who can make their own educated opinions, instead of mimicking the hive mind.


I'm done with you. Instead of answering the question you pussyfoot around the issue. I gave you a chance, well two chances (I asked you twice) to show me your side of the coin and instead you pick apart 'cliche's' and "oh I can't take your seriously". You sit on the sidelines and spew off nonsense, but then coward back in your hole when asked to explain or elaborate on your point of view. I can't take YOU seriously. Sorry.

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I'm done with you. Instead of answering the question you pussyfoot around the issue. I gave you a chance, well two chances (I asked you twice) to show me your side of the coin and instead you pick apart 'cliche's' and "oh I can't take your seriously". You sit on the sidelines and spew off nonsense, but then coward back in your hole when asked to explain or elaborate on your point of view. I can't take YOU seriously. Sorry.

I'm not answering it again after I already answered it once, to which you quoted. Learn reading comprehension, or go somewhere else where grown men aren't talking.

When you're an idiot, you fucking do it BIG.

[ISAtlanta300]

I'm not answering it again after I already answered it once, to which you quoted. Learn reading comprehension, or go somewhere else where grown men aren't talking.

When you're an idiot, you fucking do it BIG.

Wow.....way to go. You just proved your intellectual capacity. Point proven. Adios.