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Elbow

01-31-2013, 05:36 PM

NOTHING LESS THAN AR15s BECAUSE ITS OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT AS AMERICANS. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU'RE TREADING ON OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS

http://veteranswalkofhonor.com/images/eagle%20with%20tear.jpg

I lold.

Events like these can prevented, but the state(s) nor the Government care to do much about it other than ban weapons.

Yes, it can, by better security.

I didn't post this as a gun fight though or indication that this was a mass shooting and requires a gun ban debate.

Both high schools I attended had STRICT security, that's all we really need to prevent these things from happening, at the very least from preventing these things from happening with mass casualties. I hate to say it but there will always be a risk, it's the way of life, you can't just make it go away.

Browning151

01-31-2013, 05:43 PM

NOTHING LESS THAN AR15s BECAUSE ITS OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT AS AMERICANS. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU'RE TREADING ON OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS

Have you abandoned your little asinine thread from the other day?

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01-31-2013, 05:55 PM

No I didn't. Go take a look

David88vert

01-31-2013, 06:22 PM

This was not a mass shooting, nor was it random. It was not inside the scool either. This was one child clearly targeting another. I'm sure that the police will find out the motive and where the child got the gun from.

On_Her_Face

01-31-2013, 07:29 PM

WE NEED TO START PUTTING TROOPS IN SCHOOLS NOW

I am sure and I have always said this, we should put vets in schools for jobs.

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01-31-2013, 09:17 PM

I am sure and I have always said this, we should put vets in schools for jobs.

Why?

Elbow

02-01-2013, 12:01 AM

Why?

Seems like for security?

BanginJimmy

02-01-2013, 07:01 PM

Seems like for security?

Wouldnt it be smarter to use an off duty cop that actually knows the law? Just because someone was once in the military doesnt mean they would be a good candidate for a job like this.

On_Her_Face

02-01-2013, 07:56 PM

Wouldnt it be smarter to use an off duty cop that actually knows the law? Just because someone was once in the military doesnt mean they would be a good candidate for a job like this.

That's why there is a hiring process and yes for security. We had one at my school.

Elbow

02-01-2013, 08:20 PM

Wouldnt it be smarter to use an off duty cop that actually knows the law? Just because someone was once in the military doesnt mean they would be a good candidate for a job like this.

Probably, I didn't say I agreed with it 100%.

A hiring process would be good. Some type of extra training, didn't Obama recently mention some type of school security program?

I went to two high schools, one had a staff of probably 7 security personnel. One or two were county police officers, the others were trained, either ex-law enforcement or military. The other school had probably 4 security guards and one county police officer always there.

That may get expensive and may be overboard for what say an elementary school would typically see on a weekly basis in terms of typical fights and what not, but the idea is the same.

I know the CT school had recent security installed, but I still think every school should be up to date as well as they could be. My mom use to teach and they had someone off the streets come in with a knife through one of the side entrances, a teacher saw him and asked if they could help him as he didn't have on ID, luckily two male teachers tackled the man and waited for police, a little later better doors/locks were installed. It may be no match for a shotgun or someone REALLY wanting to get in, but it's better than nothing.

You CAN'T make things 100% safe, that's life, but I think there's possibilities that are affordable for counties and offer a little better security.

Not that you disagreed with anything, just saying my own thoughts on the whole security guard thing. I mean the one HS I went to had a large security center, it was like CTU off 24. :lmfao: Solid wall of security camera screens.

quickdodge®

02-01-2013, 08:44 PM

Sucks that this is even a discussion. Only thing I worried about when I was in school was the principal's "holey" paddle.

Elbow

02-01-2013, 08:53 PM

Sucks that this is even a discussion. Only thing I worried about when I was in school was the principal's "holey" paddle.

I don't think that blocked bullets. lol

eraser4g63

02-01-2013, 11:28 PM

Hoodrats are gonna hoodrat, its called population control.

Echonova

02-01-2013, 11:32 PM

I don't think that blocked bullets. lolNo... But as a kid you had to worry about two things.

1.) Getting in trouble at school and getting your ass whipped by the principle.

2.) Getting a even bigger ass whipping when you got home by your father for getting in trouble in school. (you know, back in the old days when fathers stuck around)

Problem is the current generation is as soft as baby shit and can't even handle a harsh word towards them, let alone the real world.

Life is hard, but the good news is there is no God so only never-ending nothingness awaits you when you die... But you will be unaware of the never-ending nothingness because your dead.

It's a win-win.

Sinfix_15

02-02-2013, 12:09 AM

Probably, I didn't say I agreed with it 100%.

A hiring process would be good. Some type of extra training, didn't Obama recently mention some type of school security program?

I went to two high schools, one had a staff of probably 7 security personnel. One or two were county police officers, the others were trained, either ex-law enforcement or military. The other school had probably 4 security guards and one county police officer always there.

That may get expensive and may be overboard for what say an elementary school would typically see on a weekly basis in terms of typical fights and what not, but the idea is the same.

I know the CT school had recent security installed, but I still think every school should be up to date as well as they could be. My mom use to teach and they had someone off the streets come in with a knife through one of the side entrances, a teacher saw him and asked if they could help him as he didn't have on ID, luckily two male teachers tackled the man and waited for police, a little later better doors/locks were installed. It may be no match for a shotgun or someone REALLY wanting to get in, but it's better than nothing.

You CAN'T make things 100% safe, that's life, but I think there's possibilities that are affordable for counties and offer a little better security.

Not that you disagreed with anything, just saying my own thoughts on the whole security guard thing. I mean the one HS I went to had a large security center, it was like CTU off 24. :lmfao: Solid wall of security camera screens.

It's the NRA suggesting we put armed guards in school............... and much like anyone else who expresses a rational thought that goes against the leftist agenda, theyre being characterized as insane gun toting maniacs.

Obama's suggestion for protecting schools is to hang a sign like this one up

http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/AP140957931155-620x397.jpg

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02-02-2013, 12:58 AM

It's the NRA suggesting we put armed guards in school............... and much like anyone else who expresses a rational thought that goes against the leftist agenda, theyre being characterized as insane gun toting maniacs.

Obama's suggestion for protecting schools is to hang a sign like this one up

http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/AP140957931155-620x397.jpg

If you believe gun free zones is leftist agenda, and positioning troops in grade schools is a rational idea, what do you believe would be a far right wing position?

Sinfix_15

02-02-2013, 01:20 AM

If you believe gun free zones is leftist agenda, and positioning troops in grade schools is a rational idea, what do you believe would be a far right wing position?

Observe the leftist at work as he exaggerates the statement made so that he can shape it to his argument.

"troops in grade schools" yeah, that's what i said.... /sarcasm. You answered your own question though, FAR right would be troops in grade schools.

We have air marshals in our planes, our bank's money is delivered by HEAVILY armed guards, if you go in Krystals on the weekend it has a police officer on duty..... almost everything with monetary value is protected by armed guards, the far left king you support is protected by dozens of armed guards......

wow... how insane someone must be to think that defenseless children should be regarded with the same value as airplane passengers, bank deposits, krystal's employees, paintings or marxist politicians.

I'm glad to know my tax money is going on stupid shit like this Picture this: Cabinet portraits for big bucks - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/11/picture-this-cabinet-portraits-for-big-bucks/?page=all) and to pay for Obama's golfing trips. It would really annoy me to know any of it was wasted on putting an armed guard in our schools.

quickdodge®

02-02-2013, 02:31 AM

I don't think that blocked bullets. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCy8MpT45gk

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02-02-2013, 02:39 AM

Observe the leftist at work as he exaggerates the statement made so that he can shape it to his argument.

"troops in grade schools" yeah, that's what i said.... /sarcasm. You answered your own question though, FAR right would be troops in grade schools.So rational then would be just plain armed guards?

We have air marshals in our planes, our bank's money is delivered by HEAVILY armed guards, if you go in Krystals on the weekend it has a police officer on duty...I've never been into a Krystals with an armed guard in it. My wifes cousin works at a Krystals, when I would pick him up in the evenings, I had never seen a guard, ever. That must be a product of where you live.

almost everything with monetary value is protected by armed guards, the far left king you support is protected by dozens of armed guards...Just like every president before him, and every president after him

I'm glad to know my tax money is going on stupid shit like this Picture this: Cabinet portraits for big bucks - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/11/picture-this-cabinet-portraits-for-big-bucks/?page=all) and to pay for Obama's golfing trips. It would really annoy me to know any of it was wasted on putting an armed guard in our schools.Obama pays for his own golfing trips. Just like every president before him, and every president after him.

I dont want, nor do we need any kind of armed sentinels guarding our schools. We dont live in a dystopian society where we all live in fear of each other. Where would it end? Should we put armed guards in front of Burger King? parks? streets? skating rinks? white water? six flags? malls? anywhere else kids congregate? does this sound like the american dream to you?

Sinfix_15

02-02-2013, 08:12 AM

So rational then would be just plain armed guards?

I've never been into a Krystals with an armed guard in it. My wifes cousin works at a Krystals, when I would pick him up in the evenings, I had never seen a guard, ever. That must be a product of where you live.
Just like every president before him, and every president after him

Obama pays for his own golfing trips. Just like every president before him, and every president after him.

I dont want, nor do we need any kind of armed sentinels guarding our schools. We dont live in a dystopian society where we all live in fear of each other. Where would it end? Should we put armed guards in front of Burger King? parks? streets? skating rinks? white water? six flags? malls? anywhere else kids congregate? does this sound like the american dream to you?

What is so offensive about an armed guard to you? The air marshal's blend in and go unnoticed. Depending on the situation and needs, a variety of different guards could be used. You dont need a fully armed and equip swat team member as an armed guard..... well, unless you live in a predominantly democratic city you do, you could have a concealed guard that goes unnoticed.

The krystals here have armed and dressed police officers that sit inside of them all night on weekends. If you go get some krystals you will see 1-2 cops sitting inside all night. Waffle house also has them and a lot of other places too. I know it goes against your liberal brain to believe that the presence of guns actually prevents crime, but every statistic supports it. Liberal cities and gun free zones = higher crime rates. "gun totin racist hillbilly radical conservative hick states" = lower crime rates. When you watch an old western movie and see people riding around with guns everywhere they go...... believe or not... those are not scifi movies.... the US really used to look like that....

yes, every president has armed guards. Which makes it all the more ironic when one like Obama comes along that supports banning something he himself would not leave the house without. Obama also increased the number of people around him more than any other president in history..... again, ironic. If all of those golfing trips are out of pocket.... id love to see you itemize the 1.4 billion in executive expenditures.

A liberal talking about the american dream......... this thread is dripping with irony. If not for entitlement society and all of your entitlement villages that litter every city, the crime rate and need for arms would probably be reduced. Like any other invasive species, the more their numbers grow, the harder they are to get rid of.

Elbow

02-02-2013, 08:54 AM

Elbow

02-02-2013, 08:57 AM

It's the NRA suggesting we put armed guards in school............... and much like anyone else who expresses a rational thought that goes against the leftist agenda, theyre being characterized as insane gun toting maniacs.

Obama's suggestion for protecting schools is to hang a sign like this one up

http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/AP140957931155-620x397.jpg

A. Many schools HAVE armed guards.

B. I have yet to meet anyone, even the most "leftie" individual that says that is a bad idea.

The only "bad" would be to have weapon slinging guards strutting around an elementary school or maybe even a middle school. You can conceal a weapon, but we don't need heavily armed soldiers cruising the hallways.

quickdodge®

02-02-2013, 09:01 AM

I've never believed beating made anyone smart. I was never beaten and I didn't turn out to be a criminal. All the kids I grew up with that were beaten/spanked turned out to be hoodrats.

Mess up in school today and get kicked out, get in a fight and get taken away in handcuffs. That's controlling the school's population for the good ones.

Spankings and beatings are two different things. My Mom let the principal paddle me all the time. I got my fair share of whippings growing up. I am quite a highly intelligent person from that.

My comment, simon, that I think you misunderstood was that back when I was in school, you didn't have the fear that someone would walk into school guns a-blazing. The worst fear we had was being sent to the office for misbehaving and getting a paddle to our backsides. The ONLY time a police officer came to our school was when we were learning about the police. Same with firefighters.

David88vert

02-02-2013, 09:05 AM

To be clear, this incident that started this thread would not have been prevented by having an armed security guard at the school. This incident happened outside of the school, and the victim was an intentional target.

The federal government does not decide how the county school boards handle security. If you think an armed guard is needed at the school, your petition should be sent to your elected school board officials. Specifically for Columbus, it should be this group: https://www.muscogee.k12.ga.us/AboutUS/board/Pages/default.aspx

As for air marshals on planes, not every flight has an air marshall. The deterent is not the air marshall himself, rather it is the speculation that one may be on board. This same response has been discussed as a possibility for school. Allowing a few key individuals, such as a principal, some teachers, etc, to be trained and certified as an active shooter response team may give schools the chance to deter an event from occuring. The key is not that you actually have a team of staff prepared, but rather the impression that the school may be prepared. An individual that wishes to harm the children would hopefully know that there might be heavy resistance, and possibly woud pick a different target. Currently, all of the individuals that committed these attacks knew that there would be no armed resistance to their onslaught.

David88vert

02-02-2013, 09:12 AM

Spankings and beatings are two different things. My Mom let the principal paddle me all the time. I got my fair share of whippings growing up. I am quite a highly intelligent person from that.

My comment, simon, that I think you misunderstood was that back when I was in school, you didn't have the fear that someone would walk into school guns a-blazing. The worst fear we had was being sent to the office for misbehaving and getting a paddle to our backsides. The ONLY time a police officer came to our school was when we were learning about the police. Same with firefighters.

Same here. We never were worried about anyone actually opening fire on students when I was growing up. A number of high school students and teachers actually had guns and knives on school property - but no one would have ever used them except in defense. It just wasn't even a consideration.

In elementary school, we knew that if we got in trouble, we were getting sent to the principal's office, and we were getting a paddling. Most parents would give you another paddling when you got home from school if you got one from the principal.

People understand two things - reward and punishment. As a parent, you use both to try to get your children to become a balanced and productive individual.

Elbow

02-02-2013, 09:12 AM

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02-02-2013, 09:16 AM

A. Many schools HAVE armed guards.

B. I have yet to meet anyone, even the most "leftie" individual that says that is a bad idea.

The only "bad" would be to have weapon slinging guards strutting around an elementary school or maybe even a middle school. You can conceal a weapon, but we don't need heavily armed soldiers cruising the hallways.

I don't think getting rid of gun free zones is a good idea.

quickdodge®

02-02-2013, 09:18 AM

The sole reason schools have security are to break up fights and handle other illegal activity, I wouldn't be scared to go to school today, mass shootings are rare, there's no point in hiding. The added benefit to extra security is to detour ones mind from bringing a gun or possibly holding off a "mass shooter."

I think you're still missing my point. We had no, nada, zilch, zero, none, nill, a goose egg, nix security at our schools. Playground scuffles back then only got you sent to the principal's office and probably a couple of days of detention. I never said everyone goes to school now afraid to. But if there were numbers showing it, I would be willing to bet that a far greater percentage of school children go to school with some sort of fear now than they did back in my days of school. Doesn't matter how rare it is, either. Many school systems that haven't even had any problems are taking preventive measures to aid in combating that risk. This still puts those thoughts in students heads.

but I sure as hell didn't know anyone who was spanked to be afraid of spanking. Not enough to be spanked into being a good kid or not making mistakes. lol

You know someone now.

Sinfix_15

02-02-2013, 09:53 AM

The sole reason schools have security are to break up fights and handle other illegal activity, I wouldn't be scared to go to school today, mass shootings are rare, there's no point in hiding. The added benefit to extra security is to detour ones mind from bringing a gun or possibly holding off a "mass shooter."

Yes, there's a difference in spanking and beating, but I sure as hell didn't know anyone who was spanked to be afraid of spanking. Not enough to be spanked into being a good kid or not making mistakes. lol

Today taking a kids phone away is probably FAR worst in their mind then some stingy smacks.

Spanking is just a tool in the tool box. Doesnt mean its the best tool or the first one you should grab. In my opinion... spanking is a way of getting your attention to listen to a message or a way of making sure a message is remembered. The spanking itself is not the message. Kids need to be taught lessons and learn from their mistakes. Sometimes a spanking assists with that and sometimes its not needed. A spanking alone serves little or no purpose. I myself am not a big advocate of spanking children, but i also dont have any grievance with parents who support it. I was paddled by the principle and whipped when i was young, it had a positive effect on me.

Sinfix_15

02-02-2013, 09:56 AM

Sinfix_15

02-02-2013, 10:02 AM

I don't think getting rid of gun free zones is a good idea.

can we at least get some accurate signs for the gun free zones?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X6kow4ZPPdc/UAq0A8V6DaI/AAAAAAAAK7g/Watnb_Ve3JA/s1600/nocarry.png

Elbow

02-02-2013, 11:00 AM

But you're soft as cotton.

Thanks?

Elbow

02-02-2013, 11:02 AM

I don't think getting rid of gun free zones is a good idea.

What do you mean? You mean armed security is a bad thing? I don't think anyone other than the security should be allowed to carry, but I don't see why security is bad. You can still have the gun free zone sign and have armed security.

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02-02-2013, 12:27 PM

What do you mean? You mean armed security is a bad thing? I don't think anyone other than the security should be allowed to carry, but I don't see why security is bad. You can still have the gun free zone sign and have armed security.

The gun free zones are a good idea because it allows authorities to control who is and who isnt armed the zone. kind of like military bases did before they legislated them into gun free zones. They were always "gun free zones". It also draws an arbitrary "line in the sand" so that officials can build charges against people who do break the law. Gun free zones don't necessarily prohibit anyone from carrying at all. But if you bring a gun into Taco Mac and start acting like a belligerent drunk, not only do you get a disorderly charge, you get a gun charge as well.

BanginJimmy

02-02-2013, 01:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCy8MpT45gk

Going to see him in Feb. Cant wait. The guy is funny as hell.

On_Her_Face

02-02-2013, 02:09 PM

I've never been into a Krystals with an armed guard in it. My wifes cousin works at a Krystals, when I would pick him up in the evenings, I had never seen a guard, ever. That must be a product of where you live.

I'm a little late on this discussion but at my school, on the main strip, our Krystals, Mcdonald's, Pilot (gas station), and the bank all have cops stationed Thursday-Sunday. This is the University of Tennessee, not a bad place yes there are a bunch of drunk people on any given weekend. However there are not gun crimes in these places, then you have .25 away from the strip is official campus. There are no guns allowed there yet armed robberies happen a few times a month.

BanginJimmy

02-02-2013, 02:31 PM

So much fail in this post.

The gun free zones are a good idea because it allows authorities to control who is and who isnt armed the zone.

There is a single glaring problem with this entire statement. Someone entering a "gun free zone" with the intention of committing a murder or armed robbery, isnt worried about the additional gun charge. If they plan on surviving the actual crime, which isnt often in a mass shooting, they are looking to avoid those MUCH stiffer penalties. Dont act like alarms start blaring the second someone enters a gun free zone with a gun, they have to advertise they have a gun before they get caught.

But if you bring a gun into Taco Mac and start acting like a belligerent drunk, not only do you get a disorderly charge, you get a gun charge as well.

I was corrected on this once, as I thought it was illegal to carry while consuming alcohol in GA but it isnt. That is a law that should change. Carrying in a bar is fine, but as soon as you have that first drink, you should be in violation of the law, subject to arrest and loss of you carry permit.

BTW, it is legal to carry in Taco Mac unless they have it posted outside the doors that they do not allow you to carry there.

On_Her_Face

02-02-2013, 02:36 PM

BanginJimmy

02-02-2013, 05:56 PM

In GA you can drink and carry? That's fucked up. The politician in TN that got the law passed to carry in a bar got caught drinking with a firearm in the bar. Pretty crappy on his part and I'm not positive he got penalized.

Yes you can. You just cant shoot. The law was written terribly and needs fixed. The problem with doing it now is that the national backdrop of new gun control legislation will make it an easy target and has no chance of passing.

quickdodge®

02-02-2013, 08:31 PM

Going to see him in Feb. Cant wait. The guy is funny as hell.

I started watching him in 1991 when he would guest star on a show called Hot County Nights. Hated the show but watched it solely to catch him.

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02-02-2013, 08:41 PM

There is a single glaring problem with this entire statement. Someone entering a "gun free zone" with the intention of committing a murder or armed robbery, isnt worried about the additional gun charge. If they plan on surviving the actual crime, which isnt often in a mass shooting, they are looking to avoid those MUCH stiffer penalties. Dont act like alarms start blaring the second someone enters a gun free zone with a gun, they have to advertise they have a gun before they get caught.
Nobody is actively seeking out these places because they're gun free zones, and no one acts like alarms start blaring when someone enters a gun free zone. The gun buffer zone isn't really aimed at mass murdering, sociopathic individuals anyway. Getting rid of them won't stop or propagate any kind of killing spree. They are in place, they aren't hurting anyone, and its a good idea they're there. They won't go away.

It's like back in high school when it was a cell phone free zone. You weren't allowed to have your cell phone on you. It's obvious cell phones are a good thing to have in case of emergency. No one was doing cellphone pat downs, but if you're on it acting like a jackass during school, they could take it from you or discipline you if they needed to, because the rule was in place. Its an arbitrary regulation so the proper authorities can control who has them and what you're doing with them.

Same thing with guns. They want to control in a sense who has them and who doesn't. No one is patting anyone down for guns (save for a nightclub or something, which is a different case entirely). If you keep it concealed and aren't acting like a self-important, i-can-do-whatever-i-want-cuz-im-a-goddamned-american kind of jackass (see those who carry AR's wherever they go), nobody has a problem.

Sinfix_15

02-02-2013, 08:51 PM

Nobody is actively seeking out these places because they're gun free zones, and no one acts like alarms start blaring when someone enters a gun free zone. The gun buffer zone isn't really aimed at mass murdering, sociopathic individuals anyway. Getting rid of them won't stop or propagate any kind of killing spree. They are in place, they aren't hurting anyone, and its a good idea they're there. They won't go away.

It's like back in high school when it was a cell phone free zone. You weren't allowed to have your cell phone on you. It's obvious cell phones are a good thing to have in case of emergency. No one was doing cellphone pat downs, but if you're on it acting like a jackass during school, they could take it from you or discipline you if they needed to, because the rule was in place. Its an arbitrary regulation so the proper authorities can control who has them and what you're doing with them.

Same thing with guns. They want to control in a sense who has them and who doesn't. No one is patting anyone down for guns (save for a nightclub or something, which is a different case entirely). If you keep it concealed and aren't acting like a self-important, i-can-do-whatever-i-want-cuz-im-a-goddamned-american kind of jackass (see those who carry AR's wherever they go), nobody has a problem.

Look at this guy..... what a douchebag.............................

For wearing an affliction shirt.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r316/MACDD/d5d417a33062fb02260f6a706700282d.jpg

Echonova

02-02-2013, 10:32 PM

Affliction shirts should be a crime, when people wear them they always seem to be 2 sizes too small.

BanginJimmy

02-03-2013, 12:18 AM

Nobody is actively seeking out these places because they're gun free zones,

Really? The Aurora shooter passed by theaters with the same show times that were larger, more crowded, has easier access, and closer to his home than the one in Aurora. Aurora was the only one that was gun free. Well, gun free except for the one person looking to kill random people.

I will have to check the mall in Oregon, but I believe the shooter there also passed a larger and more crowded mall that was not considered gun free. I remember seeing that on FB or something and havent researched it though.

They are in place, they aren't hurting anyone, and its a good idea they're there. They won't go away.

What makes them such a good idea?

Same thing with guns. They want to control in a sense who has them and who doesn't. No one is patting anyone down for guns (save for a nightclub or something, which is a different case entirely). If you keep it concealed and aren't acting like a self-important, i-can-do-whatever-i-want-cuz-im-a-goddamned-american kind of jackass (see those who carry AR's wherever they go), nobody has a problem.

So let me get this straight. You believe gun free zones are to prevent people who are not looking to cause problems from carrying them in certain areas, yet you concede the fact that those laws do absolutely nothing to curb gun violence in those areas. And you still think they are a good idea. This makes sense in what universe?

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02-03-2013, 01:21 AM

I don't think you read what I posted

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 12:36 PM

I don't think you read what I posted

Looks like he did to me.

Elbow

02-03-2013, 12:41 PM

Look at this guy..... what a douchebag.............................

For wearing an affliction shirt.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r316/MACDD/d5d417a33062fb02260f6a706700282d.jpg

Yeah I'd want my kid walking around seeing crazy people with rifles on their back.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 12:57 PM

Yeah I'd want my kid walking around seeing crazy people with rifles on their back.

Blame your mother, not me...... she could have gave birth to you in France.
http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Clint_Eastwood_Holding_Rifle_Cowboy_HD_Wallpaper_V vallpaper.NET_.jpg

Elbow

02-03-2013, 01:37 PM

Blame your mother, not me...... she could have gave birth to you in France.
http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Clint_Eastwood_Holding_Rifle_Cowboy_HD_Wallpaper_V vallpaper.NET_.jpg

You're going to have to explain that to me, I'm stupid and don't understand some of your comments.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 01:42 PM

You're going to have to explain that to me, I'm stupid and don't understand some of your comments.

Your views on how america should be go against everything america always has been. I am expressing my regret that you were not born in a country more suitable to your political view point........ like France. I use a visual reference to point out how common carrying a rifle is in american culture. If seeing someone carry a rifle offends you..... you're on the wrong soil my friend.

Elbow

02-03-2013, 01:47 PM

Your views on how america should be go against everything america always has been. I am expressing my regret that you were not born in a country more suitable to your political view point........ like France. I use a visual reference to point out how common carrying a rifle is in american culture. If seeing someone carry a rifle offends you..... you're on the wrong soil my friend.

I love France.

How often do you see people TODAY carrying rifles in public? I've NEVER seen it aside from heavy security at a large event or maybe an airport. So I'm sorry if I don't want my kids walking around and being used to guns, they shouldn't be a casual thing. Guns are fine for collecting, recreational use, or protection, but I don't think they should just be EVERYWHERE on someones back.

I guess that's very anti-American of me? lol

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quickdodge®

02-03-2013, 01:55 PM

I use a visual reference to point out how common carrying a rifle is in american culture.

Actually, carrying a rifle around isn't all that common except for the midwestern states where ranches are still abundant. And even that is for protecting their livestock from predatory animals. On average, people just don't walk around carrying rifles like that. And to add, it's never been like that. Revolvers are the American culture that people really think of when talking about walking around every day armed.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 02:51 PM

Actually, carrying a rifle around isn't all that common except for the midwestern states where ranches are still abundant. And even that is for protecting their livestock from predatory animals. On average, people just don't walk around carrying rifles like that. And to add, it's never been like that. Revolvers are the American culture that people really think of when talking about walking around every day armed.

It's pretty normal to carry a rifle around. I carried a rifle around when i was 10. It's not normal to carry one to the mall...... but if im riding down the road and see someone carrying a rifle my initial reaction isnt "OMFG KILLER ON THE LOOSE!!!!"

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 02:55 PM

I love France.

How often do you see people TODAY carrying rifles in public? I've NEVER seen it aside from heavy security at a large event or maybe an airport. So I'm sorry if I don't want my kids walking around and being used to guns, they shouldn't be a casual thing. Guns are fine for collecting, recreational use, or protection, but I don't think they should just be EVERYWHERE on someones back.

I guess that's very anti-American of me? lol

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Like i said.... you're soft as a pillow stuffed with bunny rabbit tails. I remember when i was young, getting my first gun was a right of passage. Spent a hours upon hours in the back yard target shooting. I guess i wasnt living the american dream..... i should have been roaming the street of chicago with my Dr dre beats headphones learning about entitlement society and dealing drugs. After all..... look at the life of crime that me being accustomed to guns has led me to.

Irony..... the places where people would NOT be alarmed if you walked into a store with a rifle are 10x safer than the places who would.

quickdodge®

02-03-2013, 02:57 PM

It's pretty normal to carry a rifle around. I carried a rifle around when i was 10. It's not normal to carry one to the mall......

I never said it never happens. It's just not the normal every day thing you see. I can count on less than one hand the amount of times I've seen someone walking around with a rifle strapped to him/her. Aside from the occasional gun rack in a truck.

but if im riding down the road and see someone carrying a rifle my initial reaction isnt "OMFG KILLER ON THE LOOSE!!!!"

I don't think that, either.

i should have been roaming the street of chicago with my Dr dre beats headphones learning about entitlement society and dealing drugs.

Yeah right. That would be impossible...........

............Beats By Dre only came out 4 years ago.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 03:08 PM

I never said it never happens. It's just not the normal every day thing you see. I can count on less than one hand the amount of times I've seen someone walking around with a rifle strapped to him/her. Aside from the occasional gun rack in a truck.

I don't think that, either.

Yeah right. That would be impossible...........

............Beats By Dre only came out 4 years ago.

lol.....

Edit: Roaming the streets of chicago with my double tape deck boom box powered by 10 pounds of D batteries that had to be replaced every 35 minutes, wearing my pump up kicks.

quickdodge®

02-03-2013, 03:25 PM

lol.....

Edit: Roaming the streets of chicago with my double tape deck boom box powered by 10 pounds of D batteries that had to be replaced every 35 minutes, wearing my pump up kicks.

Haha. Nice catch. Ahhhh, and I actually lived those days in its infancy, too. Except I never had pump up shoes, lolol.

BanginJimmy

02-03-2013, 04:33 PM

I had the reebok pumps. I spent every bit of my christmas money one year to get them. I even had the NO2 'gun' to inflate them without pressing the button on the tongue 2 dozen times.

So sad they only lasted like 3 months before falling apart. Havent owned a reebok anything since then.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 05:20 PM

A link for Simon..... and Blank... Chicago Murder Rate Higher Than Non-Gun Controlled Capone Era (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/03/Chicago-gun-violence-Capone)

I had the reebok pumps. I spent every bit of my christmas money one year to get them. I even had the NO2 'gun' to inflate them without pressing the button on the tongue 2 dozen times.

So sad they only lasted like 3 months before falling apart. Havent owned a reebok anything since then.

I remember those glorious days..... back when nothing assessed a "man's" worth more than the shoes on his feet..lol... remember playing pick up basketball games and there was always someone who threatened to pump his shoes up when it started getting serious......"that's it... pumpin my kicks up, its on now"

Those shoes were pretty worthless though... them and all the other shoes from the air pocket era....

Elbow

02-03-2013, 05:54 PM

Like i said.... you're soft as a pillow stuffed with bunny rabbit tails. I remember when i was young, getting my first gun was a right of passage. Spent a hours upon hours in the back yard target shooting. I guess i wasnt living the american dream..... i should have been roaming the street of chicago with my Dr dre beats headphones learning about entitlement society and dealing drugs. After all..... look at the life of crime that me being accustomed to guns has led me to.

Irony..... the places where people would NOT be alarmed if you walked into a store with a rifle are 10x safer than the places who would.

I'm soft how? For having an opinion on what I want my (future) kids seeing? Simple fact is people don't walk around with rifles, never seen it. I've seen guns on a gun rack in a truck, but never a guy casually walking down the road holding a gun. Would I think he was a killer? No.

A link for Simon..... and Blank... Chicago Murder Rate Higher Than Non-Gun Controlled Capone Era (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/03/Chicago-gun-violence-Capone)

Now I'm anti-gun?

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 06:13 PM

I'm soft how? For having an opinion on what I want my (future) kids seeing? Simple fact is people don't walk around with rifles, never seen it. I've seen guns on a gun rack in a truck, but never a guy casually walking down the road holding a gun. Would I think he was a killer? No.

Now I'm anti-gun?

you're soft for buying into the emotional rhetoric of the liberal left.

Elbow

02-03-2013, 06:17 PM

you're soft for buying into the emotional rhetoric of the liberal left.

Oh, right, because I have different views on what is and isn't OK on a regular basis means I'm a gun hating leftie.

They don't come more closed minded than you.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 06:26 PM

Oh, right, because I have different views on what is and isn't OK on a regular basis means I'm a gun hating leftie.

They don't come more closed minded than you.

reality....

these are more likely to kill your children than assault weapons are.
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Elbow

02-03-2013, 06:28 PM

reality....

these are more likely to kill your children than assault weapons are.
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Oh my God dude, you really can't read or comprehend what you read can you?

I wouldn't want every civilian walking around with pistols on their waist either, it has nothing to do with banning guns or taking your precious rifles away. It has to do with what I think should be a common sight. Guns are notorious for violence, YOU CANNOT ARGUE THAT, so when kids see guns, they think violence, violence is frowned upon. Simple as that. It makes some people uncomfortable and we don't need to be reminded tat we live in a world where violence is so common.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 06:36 PM

Oh my God dude, you really can't read or comprehend what you read can you?

I wouldn't want every civilian walking around with pistols on their waist either, it has nothing to do with banning guns or taking your precious rifles away. It has to do with what I think should be a common sight. Guns are notorious for violence, YOU CANNOT ARGUE THAT, so when kids see guns, they think violence, violence is frowned upon. Simple as that. It makes some people uncomfortable and we don't need to be reminded tat we live in a world where violence is so common.

Criminals are notorious for violence, not guns. I spent my entire weekend hanging around guns and gun owners, looking at guns, shopping for guns, holding guns, shooting guns..... everything was peaceful and pleasant.

Like i said......... you're soft because you soak up the rhetoric of the liberal left. In every city where people like you get what they think is the right thing to do, you get proof that your ideas are not reality. Want to see what a city would look like if people didnt walk around with guns? Move to chicago, where kids arent reminded that they live in a world where violence is so common......... until theyre caught in the middle of a gang turf war.

Elbow

02-03-2013, 06:38 PM

Criminals are notorious for violence, not guns. I spent my entire weekend hanging around guns and gun owners, looking at guns, shopping for guns, holding guns, shooting guns..... everything was peaceful and pleasant.

Like i said......... you're soft because you soak up the rhetoric of the liberal left. In every city where people like you get what they think is the right thing to do, you get proof that your ideas are not reality. Want to see what a city would look like if people didnt walk around with guns? Move to chicago, where kids arent reminded that they live in a world where violence is so common......... until theyre caught in the middle of a gang turf war.

OK, there's no point in talking to you. Your posts are beyond stupid, you're closed minded, and you can't begin to understand anything somebody says.

I didn't say ANYWHERE people shouldn't carry guns. I swear you HAVE to be kidding when you post here, NOBODY can make comments like you do quoting something completely different.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 06:39 PM

More people are murdered inside prison where they have no access to guns a year than outside of prison by assault rifles. Criminals have a violence problem, not guns.

Elbow

02-03-2013, 06:41 PM

More people are murdered inside prison where they have no access to guns a year than outside of prison by rifles of all types, shapes and sizes, assault rifles included. Criminals have a violence problem, not guns.

Once again, I didn't say otherwise. HOWEVER, NOBODY can sit here and pretend guns don't represent violence. That's impossible. It's a weapon!

I support guns. I support owning guns. I support carrying a CONCEALED weapon.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 06:44 PM

Once again, I didn't say otherwise. HOWEVER, NOBODY can sit here and pretend guns don't represent violence. That's impossible. It's a weapon!

I support guns. I support owning guns. I support carrying a CONCEALED weapon.

So, if i get up in the morning and go boar hunting, is that violence? if i go set up at the range and shoot targets, is that violence? if i go in my backyard and shoot tomatoes, is that violence? As a kid when i walked around the woods and shot pine cones and soda cans, was that violence? is shooting clay violence?

Elbow

02-03-2013, 06:48 PM

So, if i get up in the morning and go boar hunting, is that violence? if i go set up at the range and shoot targets, is that violence? if i go in my backyard and shoot tomatoes, is that violence? As a kid when i walked around the woods and shot pine cones and soda cans, was that violence? is shooting clay violence?

You're really not understanding what I am saying.

None of those are violent acts, I didn't indicate they were, nor is that what I'm talking about.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 06:55 PM

Self defense is a natural instinct. Lions have claws, sharks have teeth, gators have thick skin....... what makes humans the top of the food chain is our intelligence and ability to use tools. A gun is nothing more than a tool. The gun does not create intent, it carries out the command of the person that holds it. If i wanted to murder you, i could do it in a variety of ways.... i could choke you with a ziptie, hit you with an olive oil bottle, run you over with my car, set your house on fire, beat you with a stick, stab you with a knife, throw a rock at you, poison you, drown you, smother you, throw you off a building... ect ect ect..... quit blaming objects for the actions of humans. Humans have been killing humans long before the invention of the gun. There's absolutely nothing you can do to stop every human on this planet from desiring to kill another human. Some people are just wired differently. That's life....... defend yours however you see fit.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 06:56 PM

You're really not understanding what I am saying.

None of those are violent acts, I didn't indicate they were, nor is that what I'm talking about.

I dont see the connection between guns and violence... sorry. Humans are violent, guns are just the current technology.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 06:56 PM

Back to the superbowl......

Mark Sanchez was gonna throw a superbowl part.... but it was intercepted.... harharhar

Elbow

02-03-2013, 07:02 PM

I dont see the connection between guns and violence... sorry. Humans are violent, guns are just the current technology.

Don't act stupid. I don't care how much you love guns, you can't say guns are not related to violence. Is the controller the real cause? OF COURSE. Guns don't shoot people on their own. My comment was solely directed to the picture of the guy with a rifle on his back. Not guns in general. All I said was I thought that was extreme and wouldn't want that to become the norm. Why? It throws violence straight into our faces, that gun owner may not be violent, but many would connect that person carrying the gun as a form of self protection and be reminded of the violence we live in today.

I simply wouldn't want my kids to be reminded of all the bad, they wouldn't be shielded from guns, but they wouldn't need to see people carrying rifles in a Wal Mart checkout line. That's MY OWN opinion and I won't budge, do I care if someone carries? Hell no! Not at all, I was speaking purely on carrying a rifle around on your back like a paranoid tool or a douche making a point.

If that makes me some type of gay non-American leftie than that's fine. I don't really care or classify people into groups based on their own political views. We all see things differently, if you can't respect others opinions, than don't expect to be heard.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 07:29 PM

Don't act stupid. I don't care how much you love guns, you can't say guns are not related to violence. Is the controller the real cause? OF COURSE. Guns don't shoot people on their own. My comment was solely directed to the picture of the guy with a rifle on his back. Not guns in general. All I said was I thought that was extreme and wouldn't want that to become the norm. Why? It throws violence straight into our faces, that gun owner may not be violent, but many would connect that person carrying the gun as a form of self protection and be reminded of the violence we live in today.

I simply wouldn't want my kids to be reminded of all the bad, they wouldn't be shielded from guns, but they wouldn't need to see people carrying rifles in a Wal Mart checkout line. That's MY OWN opinion and I won't budge, do I care if someone carries? Hell no! Not at all, I was speaking purely on carrying a rifle around on your back like a paranoid tool or a douche making a point.

If that makes me some type of gay non-American leftie than that's fine. I don't really care or classify people into groups based on their own political views. We all see things differently, if you can't respect others opinions, than don't expect to be heard.

If the basis of your argument is on the perception of violence, where does it stop? video games? movies? tv? graphic t shirts? tattoos? what other "reminders of violence" would we get rid of?

While i do not disagree that the guy carrying an AR15 into a JCPenny is a douchebag.... i also recognize that an attack on anyone's freedom is an attack on everyone's freedom. We cant remove freedom based on perception and opinions. Also, these are issues that can be sorted out on a state and public level..... laws that suit New York, might not suit Alaska. I doubt anyone would blink if someone walked into a gas station in alaska with an AR15 on their back, so why allow the federal government to blanket us with restrictive regulations. Let the people/state decide what is best for them.

Sinfix_15

02-03-2013, 08:52 PM

Reading this makes me proud to be an american.
Sheriffs warn Obama of deadly war over guns - National Conservative | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/sheriffs-warn-obama-of-deadly-war-over-guns)

"We respect the Office of the President of the United States of America. But, make no mistake, as the duly-elected sheriffs of our respective counties, we will enforce the rights guaranteed to our citizens by the Constitution. No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights -- in particular Amendment II -- has given them. We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation."

Anyone care to rethink their idea of how tyranny would be handled in the US? before when we had this debate everyone said citizens would stand no chance vs their government. What did i say? "why assume the entire government would unite under tyranny?".... here you have it folks..... Sheriffs around the US have spoken about whos side theyre on. I would expect the same divide in the military. Americans arent going to sit back and let Obama rewrite the constitution.

to the people who say "cops are the only ones who should have guns" doesnt look like cops agree with you.

"The Utah sheriffs join a growing list of law enforcement agencies in at least a half dozen states that have indicated they will not enforce any federal law that infringes on the Second Amendment and that any federal official who attempts to enforce such laws will be arrested and jailed."

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02-03-2013, 09:42 PM

ISAtlanta300

02-05-2013, 12:56 PM

ISAtlanta300

02-05-2013, 01:02 PM

And these comments make you really think. Think hard.

"Dennis Novak> coffee4closers•3 days ago −
It's the policeman's dilemma. How many evil laws must you enforce before you are no better than The Gestapo?•

Burlington> Dennis Novak•2 days ago
Read the book Ordinary Men and see how a reserve police battalion from Hamburg became the SS Einsatzgruppen ravaging Poland's Jews. "

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02-05-2013, 01:13 PM

And these comments make you really think. Think hard.

They just made my brain hurt really hard.

SMH

Sinfix_15

02-05-2013, 01:20 PM

Elbow

02-05-2013, 06:56 PM

MILLER: N.Y. vet arrested for 30-round magazines (Part 1) - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/feb/1/miller-ny-vet-arrested-30-round-magazines-part-1/)

And it begins. Honest citizens, MILITARY VETS are now the 'criminal'. While the real criminals themselves are laughing all the way to the bank.....

He won't spend any time in prison. If he does, then I'll worry.

It's comments like this though that make me want to punch a baby.

“It’s against the law to possess these types of devices,” she told me in an interview Friday. “He was arrested in accordance with possession of these devices, and it’s our job to prosecute those cases that run amok of the law.”

Sure, this law WILL catch some of the "bad guys" but....