Defend your right to own a car.

[bu villain]

Just pointing out how aggressive the cops are at ignoring your constitutional rights. Mostly because they feel people dont have enough mental energy or the inclination to worked up about it every time they do.

Getting worked up about an actual violation of your rights is completely understandable and I am all for that. Getting worked up about a bill proposed in some other state that has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming a law, not so much.

[Sinfix_15]

Getting worked up about an actual violation of your rights is completely understandable and I am all for that. Getting worked up about a bill proposed in some other state that has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming a law, not so much.

I fear that ignoring the constitution will become popular. Lord knows we should all be aware of the danger of popularity.

[bu villain]

I fear that ignoring the constitution will become popular. Lord knows we should all be aware of the danger of popularity.

And as I said, if you feel posting about every incident or proposal anywhere in the country no matter how isolated or minor it is will help alleviate that situation, then go for it. If you want I can tell you about an unconstitutional bylaw that was proposed at my HOA meeting last week. Then you can send out the alarm and warn everyone of their freedoms being further under attack.

[Sinfix_15]

And as I said, if you feel posting about every incident or proposal anywhere in the country no matter how isolated or minor it is will help alleviate that situation, then go for it. If you want I can tell you about an unconstitutional bylaw that was proposed at my HOA meeting last week. Then you can send out the alarm and warn everyone of their freedoms being further under attack.

I post misc rights violations in this thread when i read them, usually takes approximately 3 seconds of my time to do so, i assume it would take around the same amount of time to click the X if these are things you're not interested in reading.

[bu villain]

I actually don't read most of the links you post for that reason but occasionally I do. I imagine you will continue to post them, which is fine, and I will continue to call them out when I find them to be paranoid or inconsequential. It's the ciiiiircle of liiiiiiiife (Elton John voice)!

[Sinfix_15]

I actually don't read most of the links you post for that reason but occasionally I do. I imagine you will continue to post them, which is fine, and I will continue to call them out when I find them to be paranoid or inconsequential. It's the ciiiiircle of liiiiiiiife (Elton John voice)!

Elton John.... you fag! (gotta make use of that word while it's still legal).

You also misuse the term paranoid.

[bu villain]

Feel free to tell me how wrong I was when it becomes illegal for you to call me a fag. I will bow to your foresight and publicly state your superiority on the issue.

[Sinfix_15]

Feel free to tell me how wrong I was when it becomes illegal for you to call me a fag. I will bow to your foresight and publicly state your superiority on the issue.

Noted.

[BanginJimmy]

It creates suspicion to refuse answering questions unwarranted by suspicion?


In the courts eyes, not answering questions doesn't create reasonable suspicion of anything.

The SCOTUS disagrees with both of you.

Michigan Dep't of State Police v. Sitz (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0496_0444_ZS.html)


Any chance you know where this case is from? I need that to get more specific info. As I said though, the belligerent attitude could easily be articulated by police for probable cause.

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The SCOTUS disagrees with both of you.

Michigan Dep't of State Police v. Sitz (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0496_0444_ZS.html)


Any chance you know where this case is from? I need that to get more specific info. As I said though, the belligerent attitude could easily be articulated by police for probable cause.

I'm guessing you didn't read that whole thing, did you? Because the language of that decision very much agrees with me.

I don't see any probable cause in this video, and had he been arrested, that department would have a shitstorm on its hands.

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In summary, we hold that stops for brief questioning routinely conducted at permanent checkpoints are consistent with the Fourth Amendment, and need not be authorized by warrant. [Footnote 19] The principal protection of Fourth
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Amendment rights at checkpoints lies in appropriate limitations on the scope of the stop. See Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. at 392 U. S. 24-27; United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. at 422 U. S. 881-882. We have held that checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search. United States v. Ortiz, 422 U. S. 891 (1975). And our holding today is limited to the type of stops described in this opinion. "[A]ny further detention . . . must be based on consent or probable cause." United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, supra at 422 U. S. 882.None of the defendants in these cases argues that the stopping officers exceeded these limitations.

Hope that clears things up for you.

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The SCOTUS disagrees with both of you.

Michigan Dep't of State Police v. Sitz (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0496_0444_ZS.html)


Any chance you know where this case is from? I need that to get more specific info. As I said though, the belligerent attitude could easily be articulated by police for probable cause.

Does the belligerent attitude apply to probable cause for suspecting police of criminal activity? If so, can i flee for my safety the next time a cop raises his voice at me?

I'm confused by how expecting your rights to be honored is belligerent. what is the point of having rights if expecting your rights to be honored is cause for your rights to be ignored. If you do not submit to having your rights ignored, your rights can be ignored based on your refusal to have them ignored? Can you please help me to understand this circle jerk of logic.

[BanginJimmy]

In summary, we hold that stops for brief questioning routinely conducted at permanent checkpoints are consistent with the Fourth Amendment, and need not be authorized by warrant. [Footnote 19] The principal protection of Fourth
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Amendment rights at checkpoints lies in appropriate limitations on the scope of the stop. See Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. at 392 U. S. 24-27; United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. at 422 U. S. 881-882. We have held that checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search. United States v. Ortiz, 422 U. S. 891 (1975). And our holding today is limited to the type of stops described in this opinion. "[A]ny further detention . . . must be based on consent or probable cause." United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, supra at 422 U. S. 882.None of the defendants in these cases argues that the stopping officers exceeded these limitations.

Hope that clears things up for you.


Who wrote that?

I was basing my response off the syllabus.

Before we go any further, is there any disagreement on the Constitutionality of a checkpoint?

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Before we go any further, is there any disagreement on the Constitutionality of a checkpoint?

Some checkpoints...

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Who wrote that?

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/428/543/case.html

[Echonova]

So... The DOJ was involved in some of the anti-Zimmerman protests.

The PJ Tatler » Newly Released Documents Detail the Department of Justice’s Role in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/)



Can anyone explain why the DOJ would help organize protests against a man that hadn't been charged (at that time) with a crime, let alone a federal one???

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So... The DOJ was involved in some of the anti-Zimmerman protests.

The PJ Tatler » Newly Released Documents Detail the Department of Justice’s Role in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/)



Can anyone explain why the DOJ would help organize protests against a man that hadn't been charged (at that time) with a crime, let alone a federal one???

Long answer short, the DOJ wasn't organizing any protests. Involved in /= Organizing.

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The CRS was set up by the civil rights act in the 60s. It's purpose is to resolve racially charged community conflicts, like the one this case created, not to organize protests, not to be judge and Jury.

It's like asking why do cashiers take my money when I go to buy groceries. That's what they do. Nothing nefarious involved.

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Be wary of any website who uses hyperbole like "The EPA wants to regulate how cold your beer can be" and passes it off as news. LOL.

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Be wary of any website who uses hyperbole like "The EPA wants to regulate how cold your beer can be" and passes it off as news. LOL.

I have to admit that filtering the news is becoming a rather tiresome chore. The level of disinformation at play by all sides is troubling.

[Echonova]

The CRS was set up by the civil rights act in the 60s. It's purpose is to resolve racially charged community conflicts, like the one this case created, not to organize protests, not to be judge and Jury.

It's like asking why do cashiers take my money when I go to buy groceries. That's what they do. Nothing nefarious involved.Oh... Well that explains everythiiiiIiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/chickinlegz/Hypnotoad.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/chickinlegz/media/Hypnotoad.gif.html)

Stands to reason though, Eric Holder and the DOJ have been on the up and up since day one of the most transparent administration ever.

[Echonova]

Though CRS purports to spot and quell racial tensions nationwide before they arise, the documents obtained by Judicial Watch show the group actively worked to foment unrest, spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on travel and hotel rooms to train protestors throughout Florida.http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/chickinlegz/Hypnotoad.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/chickinlegz/media/Hypnotoad.gif.html)

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Does it say what they were training protesters?

[Echonova]

Does it say what they were training protesters?In the original link I posted... No.


I was under the impression you liked to research all the facts yourself and not be spoon-fed information. Guess I was wrong.

[Echonova]

On a similar note. This was caught on tape.














































http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uD6wdrVFc0g

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So... The DOJ was involved in some of the anti-Zimmerman protests.

The PJ Tatler » Newly Released Documents Detail the Department of Justice’s Role in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/)



Can anyone explain why the DOJ would help organize protests against a man that hadn't been charged (at that time) with a crime, let alone a federal one???

Trayvongate: Newest Obama Scandal is 17 Months Old (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/10/Trayvongate?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


http://www.businessinsider.com/nbc-apologizes-to-george-zimmerman-for-editing-a-911-call-to-make-him-sound-really-racist-2012-4

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In the original link I posted... No.


I was under the impression you liked to research all the facts yourself and not be spoon-fed information. Guess I was wrong.

I do. I knew the answer. ;-)

[Echonova]

NBC Apologizes To George Zimmerman For Editing A 911 Call To Make Him Sound Really Racist - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/nbc-apologizes-to-george-zimmerman-for-editing-a-911-call-to-make-him-sound-really-racist-2012-4)Be wary of any website who uses hyperbole like "Why Aliens Might Be Living Among Us" or "Of Course Humans Will Kill Each Other In Space" in the sidebar.

[Echonova]

I do. I knew the answer. ;-)LOL.




Ayo, lemme git dat ocean-front property uze wuz talkin 'bout in Arizona.

[David88vert]

The truth is starting to come out:
Ex-Sanford police chief: Zimmerman probe 'taken away from us' - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/sanford-bill-lee-exclusive/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)

[Echonova]

The truth is starting to come out:
Ex-Sanford police chief: Zimmerman probe 'taken away from us' - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/sanford-bill-lee-exclusive/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)Be wary of any website who uses hyperbole like "In Zimmerman's trial, it's a jury of millions".

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It is a jury of millions

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Be wary of any website who uses hyperbole like "Why Aliens Might Be Living Among Us" or "Of Course Humans Will Kill Each Other In Space" in the sidebar.

Are you saying it's completely unfathomable that aliens are living among us? have you not seen men in black?

[Echonova]

It is a jury of millionsIf that were the case, then "millions" should be dealing with only the facts presented in the courtroom. Not planning on which store they are going to loot in a day or two.


Are you saying it's completely unfathomable that aliens are living among us? have you not seen men in black?As a scientist I have completely studied this area and know more than anyone here. Here's what I think of your post


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/jeffskat/TINFOILHATGUY.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/jeffskat/media/TINFOILHATGUY.jpg.html)


Math and science stuff supports the possibility of life on other planets, but since I'm not on those other planets... No way they'll ever figure out space travel.

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If that were the case, then "millions" should be dealing with only the facts presented in the courtroom. Not planning on which store they are going to loot in a day or two.

As a scientist I have completely studied this area and know more than anyone here. Here's what I think of your post


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/jeffskat/TINFOILHATGUY.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/jeffskat/media/TINFOILHATGUY.jpg.html)


Math and science stuff supports the possibility of life on other planets, but since I'm not on those other planets... No way they'll ever figure out space travel.

I am deeply offended and i have to come forward and say that this particular post is the most insulting thing i have ever had said to me in my few years participating on this forum.









































I would never hold my gun so improperly.

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Theoretically speaking, given our limited space exploration, would it be a safe and logical conclusion to assume that any species capable of traveling to our planet would be vastly more intelligent than people on our planet?

[Echonova]

Theoretically speaking, given our limited space exploration, would it be a safe and logical conclusion to assume that any species capable of traveling to our planet would be vastly more intelligent than people on our planet?Theoretically speaking, such a species would have to be void of liberalism to make such an endeavor... Thus would innately be more intelligent.

[BanginJimmy]

Theoretically speaking, given our limited space exploration, would it be a safe and logical conclusion to assume that any species capable of traveling to our planet would be vastly more intelligent than people on our planet?

Not at all. 99% of the world today is FAR less intelligent than Aristotle was, but technology gives us access to far more knowledge.

The correct description for your alien species would be more technologically advanced, not more intelligent.

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Not at all. 99% of the world today is FAR less intelligent than Aristotle was, but technology gives us access to far more knowledge.

The correct description for your alien species would be more technologically advanced, not more intelligent.

How do you figure?

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It's almost impossible to say whether an alien would be more intelligent than a human because you're comparing human intelligence to alien intelligence. No one knows what alien intelligence is because we haven't studied it

Think of it this way. Our eyes process light in 3 different colors, red, green and blue. Everything we see is based on this. There's a species of butterfly that processes light in 15 different colors. It can see more colors than we see, but since we cant see those extra colors, we cant understand what they really are. That's like the difference between human intelligence and alien intelligence. We don't know how their brains process information. Or if they even process information at all.

[Echonova]

Police Are Engaged In (http://jalopnik.com/police-are-engaged-in-mass-tracking-with-license-plat-813727492?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_faceboo k&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

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Police Are Engaged In (http://jalopnik.com/police-are-engaged-in-mass-tracking-with-license-plat-813727492?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_faceboo k&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

http://pumapac.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/tinfoil.jpg

[Echonova]

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I forgot you are incapable of a legitimate debate. My bad, I posted something that hasn't been on MSNBC yet.



Therefore it can't be true... But I wonder, that box you live in has to get smaller everyday doesn't it?


I mean, it's absurd to think that since every phone call, email, text etc gets tracked and stored they wouldn't dare use this technology to do the same.

[Echonova]

But since you posted a "tinfoil hat" conspiracy pic within 6 minutes of my post, you had enough time to read the entire article, research it, write a thesis on it and be deemed the premier expert on the subject.

[Echonova]

But hey, maybe I should resend my post. Since the ACLU is such a far-right conspiracy organization and all.

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The ACLU has been known to sensationalize things from time to time.

But let me ask you this, if this is exactly what it says it is, why is the government saving information it already has? Doesn't it seem a little redundant to you?

Are you aware that police scan your license plate when they get a chance anyway?

[Echonova]

The ACLU has been known to sensationalize things from time to time.

But let me ask you this, if this is exactly what it says it is, why is the government saving information it already has? Doesn't it seem a little redundant to you?

Are you aware that police scan your license plate when they get a chance anyway?http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/iam733_photos/head-in-sand.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/iam733_photos/media/head-in-sand.jpg.html)

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Maybe you're right. Maybe everytime a police officer scans your license plate himself, it just pulls up YouTube videos of donuts or something. Lol. These scanners are definitely the key to finding out if you are who you say you are and if your ride is stolen or not. Lol.

IM FEELING SO OUTRAGED NOW ABOUY POLICE GETTING MY INFORMATION OFF OF MY GOVERNMENT LICENSE PLATE. SOMEONE SHOULD PUT A STOP TO THIS

[Echonova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onRCY8xoODI

[Browning151]

The ACLU has been known to sensationalize things from time to time.

But let me ask you this, if this is exactly what it says it is, why is the government saving information it already has? Doesn't it seem a little redundant to you?

Are you aware that police scan your license plate when they get a chance anyway?

You have trouble connecting the dots don't you?


why is the government saving information it already has?

So the gov't has location data on your license plate at all times now?

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You have trouble connecting the dots don't you?Yes. I have trouble connecting the dots you make up. Of course, Im not one to make mountain issues out of sand grades.


So the gov't has location data on your license plate at all times now?The government STILL doesn't have location data on your plate at all times now. What did you read that made you believe that?

[Browning151]

Yes. I have trouble connecting the dots you make up. Of course, Im not one to make mountain issues out of sand grades.

The government STILL doesn't have location data on your plate at all times now. What did you read that made you believe that?

All times? no, poor choice of words on my part.

Why do they need ANY location data on your license plate, or to hold this data for any length of time? Scan the plate, run it through the database, if there is no legal need for the plate to be stored (warrant, stolen vehicle etc.) the data should be dumped.

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You do realize there's already video cameras in place, capable of resolving license plates, with location info on them right?

[Browning151]

You do realize there's already video cameras in place, capable of resolving license plates, with location info on them right?

Do they read every passing car and store the information?

Just because the capability is there doesn't make it any more ok, or make me agree with the practice any more.

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So one of my friends house got raided yesterday. He was at home with his wife and kids, his wife was playing in the yard with their children when 5-6 cars rolled up and armed men entered the yard detaining his wife at gun point before entering the house unannounced and without permission, upon entering the house, they came into his room where he was sleeping and he woke up to a gun pointed in his face.

After clearing the house and handcuffing his family, the police realized that they were at the wrong house and that he was not the person they were looking for. The name they had was an unknown person and the address they had on their warrant wasnt even in the same neighborhood. It wasnt a case of got a number wrong or meant to get the neighbors... they were in a completely different neighborhood from where they were supposed to be.

He said the police officer told him "i'm sorry, someone must not like you for them to call you in", which i thought was odd seeing as how the warrant they had wasnt his name or address and was actually no where even close to his house.

My friend is a 31 year old black male, married with 3 kids, normal law abiding citizen with no record.




In an event such as this.... what would happen if an officer who entered the house unannounced was shot? Are their any legal avenues to file charges against the police department for something like this?

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I don't know how true your story is, but your emotional embellishments make it less believable.
So one of my friends house got raided yesterday. He was at home with his wife and kids, his wife was playing in the yard with their children when 5-6 cars rolled up and armed men entered the yard detaining his wife at gun point before entering the house unannounced and without permission, upon entering the house, they came into his room where he was sleeping and he woke up to a gun pointed in his face.If they came in unannounced, they had a no knock warrant and they didnt need his permission.


After clearing the house and handcuffing his familyHandcuffing his family? you mean him, his wife, and all of his children were in handcuffs, before they realized they were in the wrong house?


the police realized that they were at the wrong house and that he was not the person they were looking for. The name they had was an unknown person and the address they had on their warrant wasnt even in the same neighborhood. It wasnt a case of got a number wrong or meant to get the neighbors... they were in a completely different neighborhood from where they were supposed to be.Dont know how much I believe this....


In an event such as this.... what would happen if an officer who entered the house unannounced was shot?You'd probably get shot at, and a 5-6 man narcotics team against your pistol or AR, they'd win that battle.


Are their any legal avenues to file charges against the police department for something like this?File charges against the police department for making a mistake? Probably not.

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I don't know how true your story is, but your emotional embellishments make it less believable. If they came in unannounced, they had a no knock warrant and they didnt need his permission.

Handcuffing his family? you mean him, his wife, and all of his children were in handcuffs, before they realized they were in the wrong house?

Dont know how much I believe this....

You'd probably get shot at, and a 5-6 man narcotics team against your pistol or AR, they'd win that battle.

File charges against the police department for making a mistake? Probably not.

Sometimes i really shake my head at you pretending to be an intelligent person......

Lets put things in perspective........

My friend relaying this information to me was as sleep when they detained his wife. So his story of what happened outside was 2nd hand given to him from his wife and kids. His wife and kids both had a traumatic experience that would blur the details of what happened. When people roll up on you with guns, you're not thinking 100% clear.. youre probably scared to death. Obviously they didnt cuff his children, but that still doesnt mean seeing their mom with guns pointed at her or their dad removed from a house in cuffs was not traumatizing. His wife said she did not give them permission to enter the house and that when they pulled up, people started entering the house immediately, that they didnt even ask. They detained her and approached the house upon arrival... this is what she said... the only questions they asked where "who is _____" "is ______ here?" So then police come in the house and remove my friend at gun point.

After they had been removed from the house, he was showed a warrant. That warrant was not for his house, not for his name... wasnt on the same street or neighborhood.





Now, back to my question.....

If someone kicks my door down and i shoot them, would i be legally liable? I understand the most likely scenario would be that i get killed by the police.... in which case i assume they would get slapped on the wrist for the mistake and life would go on... for them.

Am i the only one who finds things like this alarming? these stories become more frequent by the day.

[Echonova]

Nothing to see here.

Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords | Politics and Law - CNET News (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57595529-38/feds-tell-web-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/?ttag=fbwp)

[BanginJimmy]

Sometimes i really shake my head at you pretending to be an intelligent person......

Lets put things in perspective........

My friend relaying this information to me was as sleep when they detained his wife. So his story of what happened outside was 2nd hand given to him from his wife and kids. His wife and kids both had a traumatic experience that would blur the details of what happened. When people roll up on you with guns, you're not thinking 100% clear.. youre probably scared to death. Obviously they didnt cuff his children, but that still doesnt mean seeing their mom with guns pointed at her or their dad removed from a house in cuffs was not traumatizing. His wife said she did not give them permission to enter the house and that when they pulled up, people started entering the house immediately, that they didnt even ask. They detained her and approached the house upon arrival... this is what she said... the only questions they asked where "who is _____" "is ______ here?" So then police come in the house and remove my friend at gun point.

After they had been removed from the house, he was showed a warrant. That warrant was not for his house, not for his name... wasnt on the same street or neighborhood.





Now, back to my question.....

If someone kicks my door down and i shoot them, would i be legally liable? I understand the most likely scenario would be that i get killed by the police.... in which case i assume they would get slapped on the wrist for the mistake and life would go on... for them.

Am i the only one who finds things like this alarming? these stories become more frequent by the day.

I have a very hard time believing this story. You can find dozens of cases where police raid the wrong house, as in raiding a house next to the correct house, or even raiding a house with the same name but different ending (peachtree way instead of peachtree lane).

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I have a very hard time believing this story. You can find dozens of cases where police raid the wrong house, as in raiding a house next to the correct house, or even raiding a house with the same name but different ending (peachtree way instead of peachtree lane).

That's what i thought was very strange about this. The name of the street on the warrant wasnt something that could have been an "honest mistake" and when they apologized, they didnt say sorry for reading it wrong or making an honest mistake, he said "someone must not like you and called you in".

It is what it is, if you dont believe the story, nothing i can do to prove otherwise. If i just wanted to talk about the police, like you said... there's tons of stories like this.

[Echonova]

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Assault car used in mass murder attempt. Congress needs to act swiftly to ban these types of cars. Authorities say the vehicle used was a black military assault type with a high capacity fuel tank and the ability to reach speeds well beyond the legal limit on any US street or highway.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z0BVOMLxDcM

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It's a good thing Assault cars are already regulated. Wonder when guns will be.

[Sinfix_15]

It's a good thing Assault cars are already regulated. Wonder when guns will be.

Guns are too. It's illegal for felons to purchase them. Is it illegal for a felon to purchase a car?

[BanginJimmy]

It's a good thing Assault cars are already regulated. Wonder when guns will be.

Are you saying that guns are not regulated?

[bu villain]

So can we all agree that guns and cars should be regulated?

[BanginJimmy]

So can we all agree that guns and cars should be regulated?

So you are saying that guns are not regulated?

[Echonova]

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[silversol]

Guns are too. It's illegal for felons to purchase them. Is it illegal for a felon to purchase a car?

Actualy cars are kinda regulated thanks to the patrion act! When I was a dealer I had to enter the name of the person buying the car into a data base. If i got a hit on them being a possible terroist I could not sell them a car! Example you get into a argument with a neighbor and say your going to kick his ass or worse! The cops come and arrest you for terroist acts or threats I can not sell you a car! Or any other dealer for that matter.

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So you are saying that guns are not regulated?

Guns are not regulated like cars. No.

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Actualy cars are kinda regulated thanks to the patrion act! When I was a dealer I had to enter the name of the person buying the car into a data base. If i got a hit on them being a possible terroist I could not sell them a car! Example you get into a argument with a neighbor and say your going to kick his ass or worse! The cops come and arrest you for terroist acts or threats I can not sell you a car! Or any other dealer for that matter.

This is dubious. I'd like to see a source for that. There was no such database when I worked at Nissan.

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Guns are not regulated like cars. No.

Should we regulate the size and speed of cars? like they do guns?

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Should we regulate the size and speed of cars? like they do guns?

Ever seen a NASCAR or an F1 car pull up to you at a stoplight?

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Ever seen a NASCAR or an F1 car pull up to you at a stoplight?

Those are not regulated based on size or speed. If they had headlights and tail lights they would be welcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gnzq3g_2mNU

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This isnt all that different from an f1 car based on the characteristics of it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/ArielAtomGoodwood.jpg/280px-ArielAtomGoodwood.jpg

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But they are regulated for the safety of everyone else on the road.

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This isnt all that different from an f1 car based on the characteristics of it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/ArielAtomGoodwood.jpg/280px-ArielAtomGoodwood.jpg

I know, as a lancer driver, you're probably not all that familiar with F1 cars, but there are VAST differences between that and an F1 car.

[Sinfix_15]

But they are regulated for the safety of everyone else on the road.

Not really.... it's more of a revenue system. If i was cruising down the road in a nascar, my ticket would be for head lights, tail lights, tag and insurance.... not "for driving a nascar"

[bu villain]

So you are saying that guns are not regulated?

No definitely not. I'm just trying to get a common starting point. There are people out there who think guns should not be regulated at all. We can't agree on what is reasonable regulation if we can't agree if regulation is appropriate at all.

[Sinfix_15]

I know, as a lancer driver, you're probably not all that familiar with F1 cars, but there are VAST differences between that and an F1 car.

Who is a lancer driver? certainly not i.

What characteristic separates an f1 car from an atom? One being faster than the other? speed isnt regulated..... i can go buy something that does 200mph right now and wont be asked any question other than "cash or credit"

[Sinfix_15]

With a car, i can buy a car capable of speeding, which is against the law. Every single car sold is capable of breaking the law.

With a gun, it is suggested that the capability of the gun should be limited, regardless of the intent of the owner and in advance of any laws being broken.

[bu villain]

With a car, i can buy a car capable of speeding, which is against the law. Every single car sold is capable of breaking the law.

With a gun, it is suggested that the capability of the gun should be limited, regardless of the intent of the owner and in advance of any laws being broken.

I think you are focusing too much on the metaphor and missing the bigger picture. Cars are regulated (both on the driving side and on the manufacturing side) with the intention of making them safer for the drivers and for others. The specifics about what is reasonable for a car or a gun can be debated but the common starting point is that some regulations can result in less (but not no) danger.

[Sinfix_15]

I think you are focusing too much on the metaphor and missing the bigger picture. Cars are regulated (both on the driving side and on the manufacturing side) with the intention of making them safer for the drivers and for others. The specifics about what is reasonable for a car or a gun can be debated but the common starting point is that some regulations can result in less (but not no) danger.

Lets change the word regulated to limited.

Cars do not get limited based on safety. Guns should be regulated for safety, as they currently are.... and by this i mean that i dont want my gun exploding in my hand, not that i want it's performance to be limited.

[bu villain]

Lets change the word regulated to limited.

Cars do not get limited based on safety. Guns should be regulated for safety, as they currently are.... and by this i mean that i dont want my gun exploding in my hand, not that i want it's performance to be limited.

You may not want it to be and that's fine to hold that opinion, but not everyone agrees. Also I believe there are laws that limit your cars performance as well. I don't believe you are allowed to run slicks on the street as you can be ticketed for not having a certain tread depth (I could be wrong on this one). Also the manufacturers have regulations about hood heights/angles, bumpers, etc which are intended to make the cars safer but certainly hinder performance from an aerodynamics perspective.

[Sinfix_15]

You may not want it to be and that's fine to hold that opinion, but not everyone agrees. Also I believe there are laws that limit your cars performance as well. I don't believe you are allowed to run slicks on the street as you can be ticketed for not having a certain tread depth (I could be wrong on this one). Also the manufacturers have regulations about hood heights/angles, bumpers, etc which are intended to make the cars safer but certainly hinder performance from an aerodynamics perspective.

Those regulations are about where you can take your vehicle, not owning it. I can still purchase slicks, hoods, or do anything i want. They are conditions of using the public street, not owning vehicles. Guns are prohibited in certain places as well, killing people is also regulated....

There's no regulation as it pertains to what i do with my vehicle on private property.......

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/siliconsam/Miscellaneous/TVTommyIvoQuadMotoredBuickRivieraWagon_zpsfbc21b46 .jpg

[bu villain]

There's no regulation as it pertains to what i do with my vehicle on private property.......

Well not exactly, you can't put a fully automatic gun on your car if you are not licensed right? haha. Anyways, the metaphor is interesting to talk about but it's not really the crux of the issue. The limits put on one technology doesn't have to match the limits placed on another. If you think we shouldn't limit the capability of guns, fine. But that really doesn't have anything to do with cars.

[BanginJimmy]

Well not exactly, you can't put a fully automatic gun on your car if you are not licensed right? haha. Anyways, the metaphor is interesting to talk about but it's not really the crux of the issue. The limits put on one technology doesn't have to match the limits placed on another. If you think we shouldn't limit the capability of guns, fine. But that really doesn't have anything to do with cars.

Actually you can as long as all other applicable laws are followed.

Sent from my Galaxy SIII using Tapatalk 2.

[bu villain]

Actually you can as long as all other applicable laws are followed.

Which is why I said "if you are not licensed".

[silversol]

This is dubious. I'd like to see a source for that. There was no such database when I worked at Nissan.

9) Executive Anti-Terrorism Order – Verify Customer I.D. & Check Blocked Persons List

Dealer Legal Compliance

Executive Anti-Terrorism Order – Verify Customer I.D. & Check Blocked Persons List With so much attention being directed toward the rules evolving under the Patriot Act, the requirements under Presidential Executive Order 13224 are often overlooked. The Executive Order prohibits U.S. citizens from entering into ?any transaction or dealing? with individuals or entities identified either in the Executive Order, by the Department of Treasury or by the Secretaries of State as posing a significant risk of committing terrorist acts or providing support to these organizations or individuals. The Office of Foreign Asset Control (OFAC) maintains an alphabetical master list of Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons. Individuals who violate the Order by entering into a transaction with a ?blocked? person or entity can be fined up to $250,000 and serve up to 10 years in prison, while companies can be fined up to $500,000.


Office of Foreign Asset Control (OFAC) Click Here


Blocked Persons List – (SDN) Specially Designated Nationals – Suspected Terrorists

The law requires car dealers to verify their customers identity and check the SDN database. If you encounter a person who?s name appears on the SDN database, do not do business with him or her. Call local PHONE NUMBER BELOW. Call GIADA if you have questions. Link: Click here for access to (SDN) Blocked Persons List This link will take you to the U.S. Department of Treasury Website. Click on Specially Designated Nations (SDN) List. This is a rather large PDF file and approximately 180 pages. High speed Internet is highly recommended. IMPORTANT: IN THE EVENT THAT A MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERSHIP SUSPECTS OR HAS REASON TO SUSPECT THAT AN INDIVIDUAL MAY BE INVOLVED IN MONEY LAUNDERING OR OTHER TERRORIST ACTIVITIES THE DEALERSHIP MAY REPORT SUCH ACTIVITY BY CALLING THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ‘HOT-LINE’ 866-556-3974 WHICH IS ALSO THE NUMBER TO CALL IF YOU FIND THAT YOUR CUSTOMERS NAME IS ON THE SDN-BLOCKED PERSONS LIST

[Sinfix_15]

The wannabe dictator is back at it.

Obama Offers New Executive Actions On Gun Control (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/obama-executive-actions-guns_n_3836183.html?ncid=webmail1)

[David88vert]

The wannabe dictator is back at it.

Obama Offers New Executive Actions On Gun Control (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/obama-executive-actions-guns_n_3836183.html?ncid=webmail1)

39,000 requests were made by corporations to register firearms. How many of those firearms were used in the commission of a crime by a felon or someone not legally allowed to have one of these firearms? After all, that is the situation that he suggests might be remediated by this executive action item.

250,000 military firearms have been reimported since 2005 (8 years) - again, how many of those have been used in the commission of a crime by a felon or someone not legally allowed to have one of these firearms?

How many students were killed or injured by these weapons?

[BanginJimmy]

This has a VERY serious impact on NFA firearms owners. Many people, especially those that own a large collection of NFA firearms or accessories, assign a family trust as the owner. This way the firearms can be passed between generations without paying for a new tax stamp every time they are passed on.

Say I had 10 NFA firearms when I died, that is $200 per firearm or accessory that my family must pay to transfer to whoever gets them or they must be turned over to the feds for destruction. If i had a trust set up, whoever receives those weapons would simply have to send in a form to change the primary contact for the trust and the address the weapons would be stored at.

[Sinfix_15]

N.H. City Wants a "Tank" to Use Against Occupiers and Libertarians | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/occupy-free-state-project-dhs-police-concord)

[David88vert]

N.H. City Wants a "Tank" to Use Against Occupiers and Libertarians | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/occupy-free-state-project-dhs-police-concord)

What they were asking for is really nothing. Doraville already has one that is even more fortified, and less justifiable.
Doraville Police Department - (http://www.doravillepolice.us/)
Scroll down to the photo of the tracked personnel carrier, and click on it to watch the video. See if you think that the video conveys the slogan, "to protect and serve".

Now, on another note, didn't you say that you should be allowed to own a tank as part of your First Amendment rights? Why shouldn't a city be allowed to own one then? Cant' argue for one and against the other.....

[Echonova]

There are already 4 of those in GA (one in your hometown Sin), a 5th is being purchased by some County in south GA (can't remember which but they talking about it on the local radio).


RN-T.com - New vehicle donated to Floyd County Police Department (http://rn-t.com/view/full_story/21980817/article-New-vehicle-donated-to-Floyd-County-Police-Department-)

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What they were asking for is really nothing. Doraville already has one that is even more fortified, and less justifiable.
Doraville Police Department - (http://www.doravillepolice.us/)
Scroll down to the photo of the tracked personnel carrier, and click on it to watch the video. See if you think that the video conveys the slogan, "to protect and serve".

Now, on another note, didn't you say that you should be allowed to own a tank as part of your First Amendment rights? Why shouldn't a city be allowed to own one then? Cant' argue for one and against the other.....

The difference is that i'm paying for the city's "tank" and they're telling me i cant buy one of my own.

My issues with the "domestic army" amassing weapons is with how they plan to use them, not that they have them. People like me are what they view as a threat.

[Echonova]

My favorite part in the story is how they "found" money and were going to spend it the next day. 4x256,000=1,024,000. They... just... found... it.


Not sure if it was under the cushions in the couch or not, the article wasn't clear on that.

[Echonova]

Of course, the Democrats are at it again. If they can't ban guns they'll go the route Finland took to get rid of Ice Cream trucks... Tax them to death.

Text of H.R. 3018: Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act of 2013 (Introduced version) - GovTrack.us (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr3018/text)

[BanginJimmy]

It wont even make it out of committee.

I encourage the dissemination of this though. Maybe prices on firearms will go up drasticly again and I can sell my stuff for a nice profit.

[Echonova]

It wont even make it out of committee.

I encourage the dissemination of this though. Maybe prices on firearms will go up drasticly again and I can sell my stuff for a nice profit. My wife has forbid the sale of any firearm in our house. Once a gun is purchased it is no longer for sale... Ever.


The interesting side effect of that is, I am more aware of what I "need" than the wants. Lacking a good 30-06 and a .22lr plinker (the wife doesn't want to use the 60 yr Winchester Model 74) and we will have a gun for any occasion.

[Sinfix_15]

My wife has forbid the sale of any firearm in our house. Once a gun is purchased it is no longer for sale... Ever.


The interesting side effect of that is, I am more aware of what I "need" than the wants. Lacking a good 30-06 and a .22lr plinker (the wife doesn't want to use the 60 yr Winchester Model 74) and we will have a gun for any occasion.

And the true source of Echo's wisdom has been revealed.

[Elbow]

I have a few BB guns for home protection, only an idiot would dare enter my place or else they will get a chest full of lead.

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I have a few BB guns for home protection, only an idiot would dare enter my place or else they will get a chest full of lead.

BB guns are very effective......

http://wolfhilltradingco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/12g-Kitchen.jpg

[Echonova]

And the true source of Echo's wisdom has been revealed.True story.


My Mexican wife has so far fulfilled her duties with respect and grace. Shame be upon the rest of her race.


Shame...

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True story.


My Mexican wife has so far fulfilled her duties with respect and grace. Shame be upon the rest of her race.


Shame...

"Behind every great man, is a woman rolling her eyes"

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DHS raids reporter's home citing that her husband had a resisting arrest charge in 1986 and they wanted to check and make sure there were no guns in the house.


Feds confiscate investigative reporter (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/exclusive-feds-confiscate-investigative-reporters-confidential-files-during-raid/#ixzz2irOcucSL)

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"Pending criminal investigation"

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"Pending criminal investigation"

I'm sure whatever they do is to protect us from terrorism. Amen.

[Echonova]

Or drugs.


Cops, Doctors Repeatedly Probe Man's Anus In Worst Traffic Stop Ever (http://jalopnik.com/cops-doctors-repeatedly-probe-mans-anus-in-worst-traf-1458841658/@pgeorge?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

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Cirlce K clerk fired for shooting gun at robber because of 'no gun' policy | 11alive.com (http://www.11alive.com/news/article/312321/40/Store-manager-fired-for-shooting-at-robber-is-fighting-back)

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Good. I woulda fired him too.

[BanginJimmy]

Good. I woulda fired him too.

Agreed. They had a no gun policy, he violated that policy on a daily basis so he was fired. Circle K was absolutely justified, and IMO had no real choice but to fire him.

[Echonova]

I carry daily, although my company changed their gun policy last year. If caught, I could also be fired (well if they could afford to) but I don't care. They can pass all the policies they want, until my boss is working next to me in East Point at 2am... They can have whatever policy makes them feel better, I'm going to carry.


Was Circle K right in firing him? Absolutely. Was he right? Absolutely.


BTW: Being a extremely influential person in the petroleum industry years ago, Ive done work at that Circle K. I was carrying then too.

[Sinfix_15]

I ignore my company gun policy also. I leave it in my car though. If I'm not mistaken, .ga law protects your right to carry to work. Not inside the business, but in your car.

[BanginJimmy]

I ignore my company gun policy also. I leave it in my car though. If I'm not mistaken, .ga law protects your right to carry to work. Not inside the business, but in your car.

You are correct in that, but it really is a sticky situation to find yourself in. I believe the law restricts your employer's right to search your car, or have it searched by police, but I still think you can be fired for having it against company policy.

[Sinfix_15]

You are correct in that, but it really is a sticky situation to find yourself in. I believe the law restricts your employer's right to search your car, or have it searched by police, but I still think you can be fired for having it against company policy.

I would protest it in court. A company policy doesnt override constitutional rights or the law. What if the company policy said you had to work for $3 an hour and ignore safety standards?

Legally, my employer shouldnt be able to restrict me from having a gun in my car any more than they can restrict me from having a gun in my house. My car is private property, a rolling extension of my home, pulling into their parking lot does not change that.

[BanginJimmy]

I would protest it in court. A company policy doesnt override constitutional rights or the law. What if the company policy said you had to work for $3 an hour and ignore safety standards?

Legally, my employer shouldnt be able to restrict me from having a gun in my car any more than they can restrict me from having a gun in my house. My car is private property, a rolling extension of my home, pulling into their parking lot does not change that.

You would lose in court also.

OCGA 16-11-135 on GeorgiaPacking.org (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=135)


Like I said, your employers right to search your car is very limited, but if they do have probable cause or the firearm is in any way visible, they do have the right to take action.

[Sinfix_15]

You would lose in court also.

OCGA 16-11-135 on GeorgiaPacking.org (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11§ion=135)


Like I said, your employers right to search your car is very limited, but if they do have probable cause or the firearm is in any way visible, they do have the right to take action.

I dont understand how that works against me?

"k) Nothing in this Code section shall restrict the rights of private property owners"

My car is private property. A company police does not override my legal rights. Could they fire me for having a gun in my house? if they saw me carrying a gun on my day off?

[Sinfix_15]

How Georgia's 'Bring your gun to work' law affects employers (http://www.securityinfowatch.com/news/10546477/how-georgias-bring-your-gun-to-work-law-affects-employers)

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You know you live in a right-to-work state right?

That link you posted said exactly what Jimmy just said. Lol

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You know you live in a right-to-work state right?

That link you posted said exactly what Jimmy just said. Lol

You know i posted a question right? Unlike you, i'm actually interested in what Jimmy says and am seeking clarification on this matter.

[BanginJimmy]

I dont understand how that works against me?

"k) Nothing in this Code section shall restrict the rights of private property owners"

My car is private property. A company police does not override my legal rights. Could they fire me for having a gun in my house? if they saw me carrying a gun on my day off?

Are you dense or just stopped reading when you found something you could use?

subsection K applies to the real estate property owner, not the owner of the vehicle.


(k) Nothing in this Code section shall restrict the rights of private property owners or persons in legal control of property through a lease, a rental agreement, a contract, or any other agreement to control access to such property. When a private property owner or person in legal control of property through a lease, a rental agreement, a contract, or any other agreement is also an employer, his or her rights as a private property owner or person in legal control of property shall govern.

Read the bolded part again. You will see that he entity in control of the property has the right to restrict weapons on the property.

[BanginJimmy]

How Georgia's 'Bring your gun to work' law affects employers (http://www.securityinfowatch.com/news/10546477/how-georgias-bring-your-gun-to-work-law-affects-employers)

THIS ARTICLE DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THE POINT YOU MADE IN POST #2118. Thanks for proving me correct.

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Are you dense or just stopped reading when you found something you could use?

subsection K applies to the real estate property owner, not the owner of the vehicle.



Read the bolded part again. You will see that he entity in control of the property has the right to restrict weapons on the property.

I understand that. My car is private property, it doesnt stop being my private property when it is parked in a parking lot. Am i wrong in thinking that the rights revolving around my vehicle dont cease to matter when i go to work?

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THIS ARTICLE DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THE POINT YOU MADE IN POST #2118. Thanks for proving me correct.

I'm not trying to make a point or prove you wrong, i'm asking for clarification on a topic i am unsure about.



does the law in layman's terms say "my employer cant search my car, but if they do search my car and find a gun, they can fire me" ?

[Browning151]

I understand that. My car is private property, it doesnt stop being my private property when it is parked in a parking lot. Am i wrong in thinking that the rights revolving around my vehicle cease to matter when i go to work?

According to the law, their property rights trump yours when it comes to having a gun in your vehicle on their property looks like to me.



I do have a question about this though, if an employer leases property does the law apply? Does an employers no gun policy still extend to the parking lot on leased property or does it only apply to entering the business with a gun and the actual property owners policy applies to the surrounding lots?

[BanginJimmy]

According to the law, their property rights trump yours when it comes to having a gun in your vehicle on their property looks like to me.



I do have a question about this though, if an employer leases property does the law apply? Does an employers no gun policy still extend to the parking lot on leased property or does it only apply to entering the business with a gun and the actual property owners policy applies to the surrounding lots?

The law specifically speaks to who controls the property. That would include those who lease or sublet the property.

[Browning151]

The law specifically speaks to who controls the property. That would include those who lease or sublet the property.

Does an employer have the right to have an employee of another business car searched in a multi-unit property if he feels it "necessary to prevent an immediate threat to human health, life, (and) safety" or does his ability to do so only extend to his own employees or designated parking spaces since he doesn't control the entire property?

Not being pedantic, genuinely interested in how the law would apply as I can see it being complicated when enforcing in certain situations.

[Sinfix_15]

Well, this law serves absolutely no purpose, so i will completely disregard it. If my employer ever searches my vehicle, it will be time for me to seek new employment anyways.

I'm not traveling unarmed because of my employer's paranoia about guns. If anyone ever decides to shoot up a work place, the no gun policy isnt going to prevent it from happening any more than any other gun free zone.

[BanginJimmy]

Does an employer have the right to have an employee of another business car searched in a multi-unit property if he feels it "necessary to prevent an immediate threat to human health, life, (and) safety" or does his ability to do so only extend to his own employees or designated parking spaces since he doesn't control the entire property?

Not being pedantic, genuinely interested in how the law would apply as I can see it being complicated when enforcing in certain situations.

If the employer can communicate his fears, police would be able to search the vehicle.

As to the rest of the question, its over my head. You would need to talk to a lawyer about it. I would assume his answer would be something along the lines of "it would be decided on a case by case basis".

[Browning151]

If the employer can communicate his fears, police would be able to search the vehicle.

As to the rest of the question, its over my head. You would need to talk to a lawyer about it. I would assume his answer would be something along the lines of "it would be decided on a case by case basis".

That's sort of what I figured, that it would be up to a LEO to investigate any claim and determine whether a search was warranted or not. It's been a couple of years since I got my permit and really read up on the latest, guess its time to spend a little time getting caught up with any changes.

[Echonova]

Bethany Arceneaux, Kidnapping Victim, Rescued By Family Members Who Killed Her Captor: Cops (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/11/bethany-arceneaux-kidnapping-rescue_n_4254321.html)

[Echonova]

Smith & Wesson FTW!!!!


LiveLeak.com - Teen Playing the Knockout Game Gets Shot Twice By Victim. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=046_1384956636)

[Sinfix_15]

Smith & Wesson FTW!!!!


LiveLeak.com - Teen Playing the Knockout Game Gets Shot Twice By Victim. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=046_1384956636)

If Obama had a son...

[ISAtlanta300]

Smith & Wesson FTW!!!!


LiveLeak.com - Teen Playing the Knockout Game Gets Shot Twice By Victim. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=046_1384956636)

What a tragic outcome.....








the teen didn't get killed..... :( :( :(

[Echonova]

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j402/Echonova2/output_zps1321a59f.gif

[Echonova]

The Feds Are Spending $8 Million To Take Your Blood At Roadblocks (http://jalopnik.com/the-feds-are-spending-8-million-to-take-your-blood-at-1469600527?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebo ok&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

[Echonova]

Regulations.gov (http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=ATF-2013-0001-0001)

[Sinfix_15]

Defiant 76-year-old woman dies in shootout with gang of three who tried to rob her of bingo money | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516263/Defiant-76-year-old-woman-dies-shootout-gang-tried-rob-bingo-money.html)


If Obama had a son.....

[Sinfix_15]

NFL banned this commercial from the superbowl..................


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJs_c3Phfdo

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The NFL has rules in place for those kinds of commercials. Do you think those should change to suit Daniel Defense?

[Sinfix_15]

The NFL has rules in place for those kinds of commercials. Do you think those should change to suit Daniel Defense?

What are "those type of commercials" ?

the NFL can sell their air time as they see fit..... i just think people should acknowledge and question their unamerican stance against a particular company selling a particular product.

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What are "those type of commercials" ?

the NFL can sell their air time as they see fit..... i just think people should acknowledge and question their unamerican stance against a particular company selling a particular product.

These types of commercials...

http://compassmedianetworks.com/images/sports/forms/nfladvertisingpolicy.pdf

Do you think they should change their policy to suit "Daniel Defense", and if so, should they change their policy for anyone else looking to advertise in those prohibited groups? Why or why not?

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These types of commercials...

http://compassmedianetworks.com/images/sports/forms/nfladvertisingpolicy.pdf

Do you think they should change their policy to suit "Daniel Defense", and if so, should they change their policy for anyone else looking to advertise in those prohibited groups? Why or why not?

Theyre free to market their product however they like. Unlike you, i dont believe in forcing anyone to do anything based on my disagreement with them. I think consumers should question the NFL's business practices...... they get a pass because we like football so much. If the NFL was as family oriented as they pretend to be.............. they would ban criminals and drug addicts from playing football and not products from being advertised.... but i'm sure that would be racists..... since we know how that would turn out.

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Theyre free to market their product however they like. Unlike you, i dont believe in forcing anyone to do anything based on my disagreement with them. I think consumers should question the NFL's business practices...... they get a pass because we like football so much. If the NFL was as family oriented as they pretend to be.............. they would ban criminals and drug addicts from playing football and not products from being advertised.... but i'm sure that would be racists..... since we know how that would turn out.
Who exactly is allowed to market their products however they like? Daniel Defense? You're right, they are. So if they approach the NFL with this commercial and a check, and the NFL says no based on these guidelines, we should question the NFLs guidelines?

You also mentioned the guidelines are un-American. Why do you believe the guidelines are "un-American"?

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Who exactly is allowed to market their products however they like? Daniel Defense? You're right, they are. So if they approach the NFL with this commercial and a check, and the NFL says no based on these guidelines, we should question the NFLs guidelines?

You also mentioned the guidelines are un-American. Why do you believe the guidelines are "un-American"?

Yes, we should question the NFL's business practices. They are not above being questioned simply because we're satisfied with the product. We should hold all business' accountable for how their actions affect our communities.

The NFL is free to market their product however they like. Their actions should be questioned though.

[Echonova]

Marijuana commercial may air during Super Bowl (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101062877)

[Sinfix_15]

Democrats will fight for gun control via any resource they have.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/01/Higher-Ammo-Prices-Anticipated-As-EPA-Regs-Close-Lead-Smelter

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/2/allen-west-warns-obamas-backdoor-gun-control/#.UpygGcNQm6E.twitter

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We should hold all businesses accountable for how their actions affect our communities.Do you feel this way all the time? Or only when the discussion is about guns?

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Marijuana commercial may air during Super Bowl (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101062877)

Was the ad approved or denied by the NFL?

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Do you feel this way all the time? Or only when the discussion is about guns?

All the time. Again, unlike you..... my principles are the same regardless of political affiliation. You're "ride or die" for team big government democrats and you adjust your views to accommodate supporting them.

I want to make a key clarification to my comment.......................................

PEOPLE..... consumers..... should question business practices and adjust their consumption with the affect the company has on their community in mind. Not the government, not the EPA, not the IRS.....

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All the time.So then what affect did not allowing this commercial, in accordance with their guidelines, have on the community?


PEOPLE..... consumers..... should question business practices and adjust their consumption with the affect the company has on their community in mind. Not the government, not the EPA, not the IRS.....Youre more than welcome to boycott football. But me thinks that's not gonna happen.

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So then what affect did not allowing this commercial, in accordance with their guidelines, have on the community?

It contributes to the anti-gun brain washing of big government. In America you have a constitutional right to own firearms and firearms are an integrated part of our society. What kind of political statement is it for a company to ban gun advertisements?


Youre more than welcome to boycott football. But me thinks that's not gonna happen.

The good outweighs the bad with football, but that doesnt mean we cant discuss the errors of the NFL. The NFL has changed dramatically over the years and a lot of it's actions are driven by the communities that support the teams. Typical to your usual liberal ideology, you have an all or nothing mindset.... "you dont like something about the NFL, well boycott football"....

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRTE90gtr0

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Damn son...................................... This guy right here is droppin knowledge.

Colion Noir

Skip to 1:05 to avoid the replaying of the commercial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GvzAt9Yx7s8#t=67

[Echonova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2gCFOtaZPo#t=114

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I've seen this one already. I wanna see the version where he wakes up to her slowly taking his pants off while explaining how holding a heater makes her insides moist. Cue blowjob/passionate sex/anal/etc.

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http://www.fox21news.com/m/news/story?id=986600#.UrjD26-9LCQ

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Federal judge: Ban on gun sales unconstitutional - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/judge-chicagos-ban-on-gun-sales-unconstitutional/2014/01/06/0b02bf04-7732-11e3-a647-a19deaf575b3_story.html)

[Browning151]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0

What a moron.

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What a moron.

I feel like his first language wasn't English.

[BanginJimmy]

I feel like his first language wasn't English.

That could explain some of the stupid things he said, but not the part about firing 30 rounds (which is obviously what he meant) in half a second.


Then again, if he believes that, he is just too stupid to be in the office he currently occupies.


Ghost guns are 3d printed or other firearms made with absolutely no metal. They are already banned in the US, and for good reason.

A quick run though of his law by ABC News seems like it is pretty much a perfectly justifiable law and I all honesty, I cant see fault with the items ABC commented on.

'Ghost Gun' Regulations Pushed in California Bill - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-bill-seeks-regulate-homemade-guns-21519066)

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That could explain some of the stupid things he said, but not the part about firing 30 rounds (which is obviously what he meant) in half a second.


Then again, if he believes that, he is just too stupid to be in the office he currently occupies.


Ghost guns are 3d printed or other firearms made with absolutely no metal. They are already banned in the US, and for good reason.

A quick run though of his law by ABC News seems like it is pretty much a perfectly justifiable law and I all honesty, I cant see fault with the items ABC commented on.

'Ghost Gun' Regulations Pushed in California Bill - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-bill-seeks-regulate-homemade-guns-21519066)

"Ghost guns" don't have a serial number. The only thing being printed is the reciever where the serial is. The only thing it fools is a registry...... But good job government with the scary name. We should ban demon and witch guns next.

I support printed guns 100%. It is nothing more than a refusal to register.

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"Homemade" guns are legal. Changing this won't stop criminals. Boston was bombed with a pressure cooker

If a criminal wants to hide a serial he will scratch it off. I don't give a shit about plastic guns..... No metal detectors at my door. Also....... Little FYI.. Detectors see plastic..
Just more actions of a paranoid gov who is tterrified of privacy.

[BanginJimmy]

"Homemade" guns are legal. Changing this won't stop criminals.

Homemade guns will still be legal, you will just need to have it serialized. Just like 100% of the commercially available firearms in the country today.



Detectors see plastic..

Actually they dont. Hard item detectors can see plastic. Metal detectors are basicly just magnometers.

Metal detector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_detector)

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Homemade guns will still be legal, you will just need to have it serialized. Just like 100% of the commercially available firearms in the country today.




Actually they dont. Hard item detectors can see plastic. Metal detectors are basicly just magnometers.

Metal detector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_detector)
Serial number is a business regulation, not an individual. It's intended use is recognition by a manufacturer..... a milk carton is also marked.

Ill video myself calibrating a metal detector to catch plastic. It sees density. Point is..... Technology to detect plastic exists. This is a registration move. I used to be a tech, worked on a lot of metal detectors.

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Serial number is for safety and quality control. Manufacturers are required to be able to recall their product. Shouldn't apply to non commercial items. This is the government being scared of unregistered guns. Serial numbers do help us see how many terrorists are given guns by our government tho

[BanginJimmy]

Serial number is a business regulation, not an individual. It's intended use is recognition by a manufacturer..... a milk carton is also marked.

Then why put the serial number on the form when you purchase one?

I am fully against a searchable database, but dont be so stupid as to think all guns arent registered already. The only way it isnt registered in your name is if you purchased it on the secondary market with no paperwork. Right now, the individual stores keep a record of every firearm purchased. Given the serial number and make, LE can back track it to the store it was purchased from, then on to who purchased it.


Ill video myself calibrating a metal detector to catch plastic. It sees density. Point is..... Technology to detect plastic exists. This is a registration move. I used to be a tech, worked on a lot of metal detectors.

Thats not possible with a metal detector. It is very possible and widely used with a hard object detector, or whatever it is called, similar to what they use at the airport. A metal detetor requires a magnetic field to work, plastic simply doesnt have one.

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Then why put the serial number on the form when you purchase one?

I am fully against a searchable database, but dont be so stupid as to think all guns arent registered already. The only way it isnt registered in your name is if you purchased it on the secondary market with no paperwork. Right now, the individual stores keep a record of every firearm purchased. Given the serial number and make, LE can back track it to the store it was purchased from, then on to who purchased it.



Thats not possible with a metal detector. It is very possible and widely used with a hard object detector, or whatever it is called, similar to what they use at the airport. A metal detetor requires a magnetic field to work, plastic simply doesnt have one.

Private sales don't track serial. On my "emergency" guns, I intentionally avoid the paper trail. Guns shouldn't be tracked.... so saying that they already are doesn't win me over. It's legal to build my own gun.... How good I am at it should not change that. Criminals aren't using "ghost guns".... made apparent by the murders that happened with "obama guns". There's metal detectors that see plastic. I can show u one that would see metal down to a dust or shaving and also read something as small as a plastic fork. Also... Aluminum isn't magnetic. These guns that they want to ban are still metal... They just lack serial numbers.

Show me evidence of a single crime that happened with a 100% plastic gun in the last 100 years.... These laws are nnever about crime. They're just steps toward registry and bans. The biggest threat to ur freedom on this entire planet is ur own government. Quit volunteering more power to them

[Echonova]

Just to throw this topic down another rabbit trail...


Apparently the LENCO Bearcat isn't the only thing you'll see the police rolling around in soon. Coming to a town near you... The MRAP.

Police Acquisition Of Army Vehicle Enrages Internet Commenters (http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/police-acquisition-of-army-vehicle-enrages-internet-com-1489158937)


The Pentagon Is Throwing A Free Army Truck Giveaway! (http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/pentagon-throwing-free-army-truck-giveaway-1507407457?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebo ok&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

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Just to throw this topic down another rabbit trail...


Apparently the LENCO Bearcat isn't the only thing you'll see the police rolling around in soon. Coming to a town near you... The MRAP.

Police Acquisition Of Army Vehicle Enrages Internet Commenters (http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/police-acquisition-of-army-vehicle-enrages-internet-com-1489158937)


The Pentagon Is Throwing A Free Army Truck Giveaway! (http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/pentagon-throwing-free-army-truck-giveaway-1507407457?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebo ok&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

As a wise rap group once said..........




Fuck tha police.

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Random thought....

Do democrats view martial law about the same way Christians view the rapture?

[Echonova]

Random thought....

Do democrats view martial law about the same way Christians view the rapture?Short answer? No.


With martial law, the progressives (I wouldn't use the blanket term of Democrats, although it sometimes is hard to separate the two) always assume they'll be in charge because they consider themselves to be the "elite"... Even if they aren't.

Christians have no illusions that they will be in charge before/during/after the rapture.

[Echonova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50

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Another mass car killing in texas........

When will our government finally act and take these killing machines off the street?

I will give some credit where credit is due though...... they have done a good job reducing the number of people driving to work.

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Good thing this cop was able to excercise his 2nd amendment rights. Gun culture is so necessary. We're so safe with guns.

WATCH: Dash Cam Video Shows S.C. Deputy Sobbing After Shooting 70-Year-Old Veteran Who Was Grabbing Cane Out of Truck | Fox News Insider (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/13/watch-dash-cam-video-shows-sc-deputy-sobbing-after-shooting-70-year-old-veteran-who-was)

[David88vert]

Good thing this cop was able to excercise his 2nd amendment rights. Gun culture is so necessary. We're so safe with guns.

WATCH: Dash Cam Video Shows S.C. Deputy Sobbing After Shooting 70-Year-Old Veteran Who Was Grabbing Cane Out of Truck | Fox News Insider (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/13/watch-dash-cam-video-shows-sc-deputy-sobbing-after-shooting-70-year-old-veteran-who-was)

The aftermath of the shooting suggests that the officer realized that he made a mistake, and that it was reactionary incident. Horrible that it happened, but one capable of being categorized as a rational line-of-duty action by the officer.

Are you suggesting or advocating that removing firearms from police officers would be a good thing for society, and make us safer? If not, then exactly what are you advocating? Or - are you just randomly spouting out gibberish?

[BanginJimmy]

Good thing this cop was able to excercise his 2nd amendment rights. Gun culture is so necessary. We're so safe with guns.

WATCH: Dash Cam Video Shows S.C. Deputy Sobbing After Shooting 70-Year-Old Veteran Who Was Grabbing Cane Out of Truck | Fox News Insider (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/13/watch-dash-cam-video-shows-sc-deputy-sobbing-after-shooting-70-year-old-veteran-who-was)

I didnt realize a cop wearing a duty weapon had anything to do with the the 2nd Amendment.


This, on the other hand, does.
No charges to be filed in weekend fatal shooting | Local News - KETV Home (http://www.ketv.com/news/no-charges-to-be-filed-in-weekend-fatal-shooting/24900132)

[ISAtlanta300]

Good thing this cop was able to excercise his 2nd amendment rights. Gun culture is so necessary. We're so safe with guns.

WATCH: Dash Cam Video Shows S.C. Deputy Sobbing After Shooting 70-Year-Old Veteran Who Was Grabbing Cane Out of Truck | Fox News Insider (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/13/watch-dash-cam-video-shows-sc-deputy-sobbing-after-shooting-70-year-old-veteran-who-was)

Both made mistakes. 1. Do not EVER get out of your car unless told to do so. 2. The cop mistook the cane for a weapon. 3. The vet didn't tell the officer what he was doing and didn't stop while the cop was talking / screaming at him.

It was an accident where both had faults (the guy for acting recklessly during a traffic stop and the cop for not getting better glasses). But the burden lies more on the guy to make the cop feel safe. Let the officer approach the car next time and just sit cozily in your driver's seat.

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The aftermath of the shooting suggests that the officer realized that he made a mistake, and that it was reactionary incident. Horrible that it happened, but one capable of being categorized as a rational line-of-duty action by the officer.

Are you suggesting or advocating that removing firearms from police officers would be a good thing for society, and make us safer? If not, then exactly what are you advocating? Or - are you just randomly spouting out gibberish?

I think police should be held to the same laws as citizens. If a city has gun control, it should also apply to police and government.

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Both made mistakes. 1. Do not EVER get out of your car unless told to do so. 2. The cop mistook the cane for a weapon. 3. The vet didn't tell the officer what he was doing and didn't stop while the cop was talking / screaming at him.

It was an accident where both had faults (the guy for acting recklessly during a traffic stop and the cop for not getting better glasses). But the burden lies more on the guy to make the cop feel safe. Let the officer approach the car next time and just sit cozily in your driver's seat.

I remember this being covered in drivers ed.

[David88vert]

I think police should be held to the same laws as citizens. If a city has gun control, it should also apply to police and government.

Just think about that proposal - only criminals and the military would have firearms. There are countries like that - and I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't want to move to one of them.

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Just think about that proposal - only criminals and the military would have firearms. There are countries like that - and I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't want to move to one of them.
Military would only have guns on military bases.

Criminals wouldnt have guns... its against the law. Thats the whole point of gun control laws.... to keep guns away from criminals.




















Lol

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The idea is to get them to think about the proposal of disarming citizens.

[Sinfix_15]

Just sayin....... it's time for common sense car control policies. If we can save one life.....

[Browning151]

Wonder what ever happened to 'ol blank cd.

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Some say he's interning with Al Sharpton

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just want to point out that i called this years ago. you see an act of car terrorism in the news daily. First it was mustangs and now dodge challengers have joined in.

#IfYouCanSaveOneLife #MakeAmericaWalkSafeAgain

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They found your Challenger Sinfix

[David88vert]

So, now that we have seen quite a few vehicle attacks from terrorists, do we ban all cars to protect the innocent public?
Terrorist Attacks by Vehicle Fast Facts - CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/03/world/terrorist-attacks-by-vehicle-fast-facts/index.html)