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Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 07:35 AM

How dare you speak like that to someone that serves their country with such a patriotic mindset. Unconstitutional? Owning assault weapons to kill your fellow citizens is unconstitutional and un-American.

Pretty poor trolling.

Being a politician doesnt make you patriotic. In a different era Dianne's actions would have been called treason.

Moving on. So the day after the assault ban gets shot down, we have Obama's first trip to Israel, the media patting Dianne Feinstein on the back and making statements like "Syria and Iran have guns flooding into their country" and suggesting the US should lock down the boarders to prevent gun trafficking.

Sounds like theyre lacing up the gloves for round 2..... UN Arms treaty is back on the front burner.

Echonova

03-20-2013, 03:29 PM

Pretty poor trolling. Agreed.

Sounds like theyre lacing up the gloves for round 2..... UN Arms treaty is back on the front burner.Liberals never stop, because they cannot be happy until everyone else is as miserable in life as they are.

Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 03:44 PM

Agreed.

Liberals never stop, because they cannot be happy until everyone else is as miserable in life as they are.

You might be the wisest person the internet has ever known.

BanginJimmy

03-20-2013, 05:58 PM

Sounds like theyre lacing up the gloves for round 2..... UN Arms treaty is back on the front burner.

Even if it passed in the UN it isnt getting ratified by the Senate so who cares?

BanginJimmy

03-20-2013, 06:15 PM

Why is this an important distinction? Either way, the power rests with the people.

In a republic such as ours, the power rests in the in the rule of law. We have laws a legal regulations that cover everything from the weight of a car to the handing over of power to our national leader. A true democracy is nothing more than mob rule. Think of it in the context of the wild west. Who should have legal authority over a criminal, a marshal, prosecutor, and judge, or a lynch mob? A democracy is a lynch mob.

I don't disagree that the constitutional lines have been blurred but Sinflix was arguing about the sanctity of the second amendment while simultaneously saying the constitutional system of checks and balances didn't mean much. He was also implying there wasn't much to keep us from becoming a dictatorship but yet, Obamacare did have to be passed through the congress (with 60 senate votes no less). You may not agree with the SCOTUS decision (I don't either) but we abide by their ruling either way. How many dictators have to go through that sort of process to pass a healthcare law? Checks and balances don't mean we get everything right, it simply means no single group gets too much power. That system still seems alive and well to me.

The SCOTUS decision on Obamacare was far and away the largest power grab by the Congress in American history. The only reason it passed was because of the 2 Obama appointees. 1 was far leftist (Soto-Mayor), the other (Kagan), should have recused herself from the case because of her work on it as part of the Obama Admin.

As far as Sinfix goes, I just ignore him. Most of his comments are so off the wall Biden would be doing a double take.

Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 06:16 PM

Even if it passed in the UN it isnt getting ratified by the Senate so who cares?

So at best, our president is a fool for trying? Is it wrong for me to assume that anything they attempt, is at least possible?

If i read tomorrow that "Senator B" wants to mandate that everyone have one of their balls removed. My reaction isnt "that will never happen", it's "holy shit, we have senators trying to remove our balls"

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03-20-2013, 06:23 PM

The only reason it passed was because of the 2 Obama appointees. 1 was far leftist (Soto-Mayor), the other (Kagan), should have recused herself from the case because of her work on it as part of the Obama Admin.
I think you still have a distorted view on what "far-left-ism" is. Sotomayor far from fits this description. Lol.

Elbow

03-20-2013, 07:26 PM

Agreed.

Liberals never stop, because they cannot be happy until everyone else is as miserable in life as they are.

I'm a "liberal" according to Sinfix and I love everything about my life. lol

Elbow

03-20-2013, 07:27 PM

Pretty poor trolling.

Where I come from we call that "goofing off." Trolling is when you're trying to make someone mad.

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03-20-2013, 07:29 PM

I'm a "liberal" according to Sinfix and I love everything about my life. lol

To some people, unknowingly liberals themselves, they think liberalism is some kind of pejorative, and something to be ashamed of.

BanginJimmy

03-20-2013, 07:35 PM

To some people, unknowingly liberals themselves, they think liberalism is some kind of pejorative, and something to be ashamed of.

Most 'progressives' think it is an insult.

Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 07:38 PM

No charges for family that faced police in SWAT gear over Facebook picture of son with rifle - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/20/no-charges-family-faced-police-swat-gear-over-face/)

Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 07:41 PM

To some people, unknowingly liberals themselves, they think liberalism is some kind of pejorative, and something to be ashamed of.

Edit, i am going to force myself not to argue with Blank for at least a two weeks

Echonova

03-20-2013, 07:44 PM

I'm a "liberal" according to Sinfix and I love everything about my life. lolIf you loved the environment as much as your life, you wouldn't have a rotary race car. How big of a carbon footprint does that thing have? Fireballs of unspent gas billowing into the air, racing tires, brake pads, oil... The list is endless.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn51/denton_unatco/internets_use_only/trollface_driveby.png

Elbow

03-20-2013, 07:46 PM

Elbow

03-20-2013, 07:46 PM

If you loved the environment as much as your life, you wouldn't have a rotary race car. How big of a carbon footprint does that thing have? Fireballs of unspent gas billowing into the air, racing tires, brake pads, oil... The list is endless.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn51/denton_unatco/internets_use_only/trollface_driveby.png

You just made me love it that much more. lolol

Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 07:51 PM

Speaking of cars...... Obama's limo broke down today.....

in honor of this occasion, lets sing some Obama-nized versions of our favorite songs and imagine Obama himself perhaps singing them from the backseat of his broken down limo to pass the time.

So here's a whistle...........................
I know it's crazzzzzzyyyyy..........................
but if someone rapes you..............
blow it mayyyybbbbbbbeeeeeeee..............

Elbow

03-20-2013, 07:53 PM

Speaking of cars...... Obama's limo broke down today.....

in honor of this occasion, lets sing some Obama-nized versions of our favorite songs and imagine Obama himself perhaps singing them from the backseat of his broken down limo to pass the time.

So here's a whistle...........................
I know it's crazy..........................
but if someone rapes you..............
blow it mayyyybbbbbbbeeeeeeee..............

Not gonna lie, that was actually really stupid.

Echonova

03-20-2013, 07:56 PM

The limo broke down because somebody put gas in it instead of diesel... But no worries, he had a spare waiting that was flown in from Jordan.

On a side note: I have no problem with him having a spare limo flown around. The President should have the best protection we can buy him.

Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 07:58 PM

Not gonna lie, that was actually really stupid.

You more of a Bieber fan?

Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 08:02 PM

On a side note: I have no problem with him having a spare limo flown around. The President should have the best protection we can buy him.

You're right, his life and family is more important than that of a common man like you and i. He shouldnt be forced to piss or shit himself in the event he was attacked like us. I'm sure it says it somewhere in the bible that the life of a politician is more valuable than our lives.

Echonova

03-20-2013, 08:07 PM

You more of a Bieber fan?I like to picture Obama listening to this while personally flying a drone from his Blackberry, whilst waiting in the limo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_MwBDFdAZI

Echonova

03-20-2013, 08:11 PM

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03-20-2013, 08:18 PM

"And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."
That quote, in context is more of a summary of the relationship between Christianity and secular authority.

Echonova

03-20-2013, 08:23 PM

That quote, in context is more of a summary of the relationship between Christianity and secular authority.Yea, it was the first thing that popped to mind.

Pretty sure "Obama's life is no more valuable than a common man's" isn't in there.

BanginJimmy

03-20-2013, 08:25 PM

You're right, his life and family is more important than that of a common man like you and i. He shouldnt be forced to piss or shit himself in the event he was attacked like us. I'm sure it says it somewhere in the bible that the life of a politician is more valuable than our lives.

You have said some really stupid things in your day, but this is really pushing it, even for you.

I'm going to humor you though. What is stopping you from buying a vehicle that affords you the same level of protection the Beast affords a sitting president.

Armored Bulletproof Passenger Vehicles - Cars Sedans Trucks and SUVs (http://www.texasarmoring.com/armored_vehicle_products_passenger_vehicles.html)

Those guys will help you out.

Sinfix_15

03-20-2013, 08:32 PM

You have said some really stupid things in your day, but this is really pushing it, even for you.

I'm going to humor you though. What is stopping you from buying a vehicle that affords you the same level of protection the Beast affords a sitting president.

Armored Bulletproof Passenger Vehicles - Cars Sedans Trucks and SUVs (http://www.texasarmoring.com/armored_vehicle_products_passenger_vehicles.html)

Those guys will help you out.

If you think its stupid then you misunderstand the point i'm trying to make.

We're the most powerful nation in the world, we can afford to defend our president with any means required. I have no problem with that.

My problem is with civilians being expected to live by a different rule. If i could afford an armored vehicle..... i might have one. I cant and im ok with that. However..... i can afford an ar15, shotgun, handgun ect...... and do not like a politician having the nerve to say someone should piss themselves or shit their pants to prevent an attack. Everyone should be offended by that. I just want politicians to actually believe in what theyre asking me to believe in. If politicians think you dont need guns to defend yourself...... arm your security guards with pepper spray.. or just shit your pants, like you advise women to do.

Elbow

03-20-2013, 08:34 PM

BanginJimmy

03-20-2013, 08:55 PM

If you think its stupid then you misunderstand the point i'm trying to make.

We're the most powerful nation in the world, we can afford to defend our president with any means required. I have no problem with that.

My problem is with civilians being expected to live by a different rule. If i could afford an armored vehicle..... i might have one. I cant and im ok with that. However..... i can afford an ar15, shotgun, handgun ect...... and do not like a politician having the nerve to say someone should piss themselves or shit their pants to prevent an attack. Everyone should be offended by that. I just want politicians to actually believe in what theyre asking me to believe in. If politicians think you dont need guns to defend yourself...... arm your security guards with pepper spray.. or just shit your pants, like you advise women to do.

The fact that you dont see a major difference between riding in a limo and owning a shotgun shows you dont have the ability to grasp even the most simple concepts.

Echonova

03-20-2013, 09:44 PM

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/TwoPerfect/funny/Headshot.gif

Sinfix_15

03-21-2013, 07:21 AM

The fact that you dont see a major difference between riding in a limo and owning a shotgun shows you dont have the ability to grasp even the most simple concepts.

it has absolutely nothing to do with limos or shotguns....

it's people with unlimited ability and resources to protect themselves feeling justified in handicapping other people's ability to protect themselves.

Elbow

03-21-2013, 07:23 AM

Sinfix_15

03-21-2013, 07:31 AM

So you think the leader of a country should not have security or anything of that sort?

How are you seriously coming to this conclusion based on anything ive said?

I do not like the hypocrisy of someone with unlimited resources of defense suggesting that my ability to defend myself should be handicapped. That does not mean that i think the president should not have defense. However..... if they feel guns are not needed (like they tell us) then they should abide by that same standard and get rid of theirs. If they think that's absolutely ridiculous (which it is) then they should quit attempting to strip people of their rights.

BanginJimmy

03-21-2013, 06:35 PM

it has absolutely nothing to do with limos or shotguns....

it's people with unlimited ability and resources to protect themselves feeling justified in handicapping other people's ability to protect themselves.

They have unlimited access to airplanes also, do you think you have a right to that also?

Even if Feinstein's AWB was passed and signed into law tomorrow, you would still have basicly unlimited access any weapon you want as long as your have the resources to buy them. Hell, if I had the cash right now I would be buying myself a fully functional M2 machine gun.

Sinfix_15

03-21-2013, 06:56 PM

They have unlimited access to airplanes also, do you think you have a right to that also?

Even if Feinstein's AWB was passed and signed into law tomorrow, you would still have basicly unlimited access any weapon you want as long as your have the resources to buy them. Hell, if I had the cash right now I would be buying myself a fully functional M2 machine gun.

I do, with enough money i can buy whatever airplane i wanted. I have a path to legal machine gun ownership as well. I'm not complaining because i feel entitled to things i cant afford. I do not like politicians saying "no you dont need that" when they have the same thing in their pocket.

Sinfix_15

03-21-2013, 08:08 PM

Sinfix_15

03-21-2013, 08:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GDCQTzBzl1A

Elbow

03-21-2013, 09:53 PM

I do, with enough money i can buy whatever airplane i wanted. I have a path to legal machine gun ownership as well. I'm not complaining because i feel entitled to things i cant afford. I do not like politicians saying "no you dont need that" when they have the same thing in their pocket.

I don't get what you're saying, do they own guns? I don't know, but if you're comparing your gun ownership to their security detail having guns then I don't see any relation what so ever.

.blank cd

03-21-2013, 10:26 PM

» Big Sis Refuses To Answer Congress On Bullet Purchases Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/big-sis-refuses-to-answer-congress-on-ammo-purchases/)

http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/03/21/joe-biden-says-mandatory-gun-registration-will-anger-black-helicopter-crowds-who-will-cite-nazi-germany/

Nothin to see here....

Alex Jones. Nothing to see here.

PROTIP: if you want people to take your political discussion seriously, only cite things you could cite in a university dissertation.

David88vert

03-22-2013, 07:04 AM

Alex Jones. Nothing to see here.

PROTIP: if you want people to take your political discussion seriously, only cite things you could cite in a university dissertation.

Which universities are acceptable? Liberal ones like Berkeley, or Conservative ones like BYU?

You seem to want to stack the deck. Let me remind you.

College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds (washingtonpost.com) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html)

EXCERPT :

College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.

By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.

The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative.

"What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals."

Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female.

The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available. "

Here's something really simple to grasp. If you dismiss Alex Jones simply because it came from him, then you need to do the same with Michael Moore. They are both extremists that promote their own agenda.

Sinfix_15

03-22-2013, 07:38 AM

Alex Jones. Nothing to see here.

PROTIP: if you want people to take your political discussion seriously, only cite things you could cite in a university dissertation.

Please provide me with a list of acceptable media outlets.

Sinfix_15

03-22-2013, 07:43 AM

I don't get what you're saying, do they own guns? I don't know, but if you're comparing your gun ownership to their security detail having guns then I don't see any relation what so ever.

Yeah, a lot of them do own personal guns...... but i also connect having someone protect you with a gun to owning a gun. Gabby Gifford's husband purchased a 1911 and an AR15 after her being shot.

Elbow

03-22-2013, 10:20 AM

Yeah, a lot of them do own personal guns...... but i also connect having someone protect you with a gun to owning a gun. Gabby Gifford's husband purchased a 911 and an AR15 after her being shot.

OK then I agree with you that if AR15s were banned then any government politician, even the president, shouldn't be allowed to own one. I don't agree that it should change any of the way their security detail is handled though. Personal use and ownership, yes definitely.

Sinfix_15

03-22-2013, 10:33 AM

OK then I agree with you that if AR15s were banned then any government politician, even the president, shouldn't be allowed to own one. I don't agree that it should change any of the way their security detail is handled though. Personal use and ownership, yes definitely.

Sounds fair. Security detail should be allowed to own guns since theyre in the business of protecting important people. I will start a security business and start issuing a paycheck to myself for defending myself.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 07:15 AM

Man faces 3 years in jail for pulling 'unlicensed' gun on burglar inside his home - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/14/man-faces-3-years-jail-pulling-unlicensed-gun-burg/#.UUMWhWXm1eJ.twitter)

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 07:16 AM

OBAMA to Bus In People for NRA Protest in Albany… Is This Even Legal? | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/obama-to-bus-people-in-to-protest-nra-in-albany-is-this-even-legal/)

Elbow

03-24-2013, 12:13 PM

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03-24-2013, 12:38 PM

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03-24-2013, 12:41 PM

David88vert

03-24-2013, 03:00 PM

This is dubious. Probably didnt happen.

You need to get out from under your rock. It did happen. If you used Google, you wouldn't have thought that it was dubious. He has been burglarized before, and the police think that this is the same guy returning again. This guy creates himself as an easy target.

Linens CEO In Gun Case - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324391104578228023278828816.html)

David88vert

03-24-2013, 03:11 PM

And this is poorly researched.

This is an event promoted on Obama's website, by activists devoted to promoting Obama's agenda. If you mean that Obama's staff did not plan it, or pay for the busing, then that would be correct, but it is very clear that Obama's team allows Jayne H to create events and promote them on Obama's site. Of course, there is nothing wrong or illegal about that, and should be encouraged.
I would agree with you if you meant that the headline is poorly worded, and was done so intentionally.

Organizing for Action - Statement of Purpose
About Organizing for Action — Barack Obama (http://www.barackobama.com/about/about-ofa/)
"Organizing for Action is a nonprofit organization established to support President Obama in achieving enactment of the national agenda Americans voted for on Election Day 2012. OFA will advocate for these policies throughout the country and will mobilize citizens of all parties and diverse points to speak out for speedy passage and effective implementation of this program, including gun control, sensible environmental policies to address climate change and immigration reform. In addition, OFA will encourage the formation of chapters that will be dedicated at the grassroots level to this program, but also committed to identifying and working progressive change on a range of issues at the state and local level. In carrying its work, OFA will operate as a "social welfare" organization within the meaning of section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code."

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 04:47 PM

And this is poorly researched.

You need to get out from under your rock. It did happen. If you used Google, you wouldn't have thought that it was dubious.

When you want to believe something, you dont seek the truth. Blank lives peacefully and happily under his rock with Obama as his president.

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03-24-2013, 04:57 PM

This is an event promoted on Obama's website, by activists devoted to promoting Obama's agenda. If you mean that Obama's staff did not plan it, or pay for the busing, then that would be correct, but it is very clear that Obama's team allows Jayne H to create events and promote them on Obama's site. Of course, there is nothing wrong or illegal about that, and should be encouraged.
I would agree with you if you meant that the headline is poorly worded, and was done so intentionally.

Organizing for Action - Statement of Purpose
About Organizing for Action — Barack Obama (http://www.barackobama.com/about/about-ofa/)
"Organizing for Action is a nonprofit organization established to support President Obama in achieving enactment of the national agenda Americans voted for on Election Day 2012. OFA will advocate for these policies throughout the country and will mobilize citizens of all parties and diverse points to speak out for speedy passage and effective implementation of this program, including gun control, sensible environmental policies to address climate change and immigration reform. In addition, OFA will encourage the formation of chapters that will be dedicated at the grassroots level to this program, but also committed to identifying and working progressive change on a range of issues at the state and local level. In carrying its work, OFA will operate as a "social welfare" organization within the meaning of section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code."

So then you know it's not Obamas website?

.blank cd

03-24-2013, 05:16 PM

You need to get out from under your rock. It did happen. If you used Google, you wouldn't have thought that it was dubious. He has been burglarized before, and the police think that this is the same guy returning again. This guy creates himself as an easy target.

Linens CEO In Gun Case - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324391104578228023278828816.html)

Sorry bro. I'm reluctant to believe an illegal handgun is the only cause of an arrest of a guy with an incredibly checkered arrest history and a history of domestic violence. You guys can believe its a government conspiracy if you want.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 05:19 PM

Sorry bro. I'm reluctant to believe an illegal handgun is the only cause of an arrest of a guy with an incredibly checkered arrest history and a history of domestic violence. You guys can believe its a government conspiracy if you want.

It's not a government conspiracy, it's government. Only a tyrant would disarm citizens.

"No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session." ~Mark Twain

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03-24-2013, 05:20 PM

When you want to believe something, you dont seek the truth. Blank lives peacefully and happily under his rock with Obama as his president.

If peacefully means not believing in conspiracy theories and thinking the government is out to get me and steal my guns when they're not. Sure. Whatever makes you happy. I'll stick to evidence.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 05:32 PM

If peacefully means not believing in conspiracy theories and thinking the government is out to get me and steal my guns when they're not. Sure. Whatever makes you happy. I'll stick to evidence.

The government must be exposed because it cannot be trusted to expose itself. If they were "out to get you" , they wouldnt advertise it to you.

The way society is now, if someone pulled the fire alarm, nobody would try to leave the building until their pants leg caught on fire.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 05:34 PM

Hear Me America, Army Officer Warns DHS Preparing For War On American Citizens (Video) | Politics (http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/03/hear-me-america-army-officer-warns-dhs-preparing-for-war-on-american-citizens-video-2503886.html)

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 07:07 PM

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9086459

David88vert

03-24-2013, 07:17 PM

Sorry bro. I'm reluctant to believe an illegal handgun is the only cause of an arrest of a guy with an incredibly checkered arrest history and a history of domestic violence. You guys can believe its a government conspiracy if you want.

The only charge against him is possesion of an unregistered firearm. You say that you follow the facts and evidence, but you are clearly ignoring them in this case.

David88vert

03-24-2013, 07:20 PM

So then you know it's not Obamas website?

I'm sure that he does not own the domain or administer it personally. He also does not attempt to disagree with anything published through it. His staff do not give any condemnation to anything proposed under Obamas name either.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 07:24 PM

The only charge against him is possesion of an unregistered firearm. You say that you follow the facts and evidence, but you are clearly ignoring them in this case.

What i find most ironic about Blank is that he strongly opposes religion, yet his stance in supporting Obama is largely based in faith. "Evidence" to disprove the existence of god comes under far less scrutiny than evidence against Obama. We should get something more conclusive, like a telephone survey.

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03-24-2013, 08:08 PM

The only charge against him is possesion of an unregistered firearm. You say that you follow the facts and evidence, but you are clearly ignoring them in this case.

Keep looking.

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03-24-2013, 08:11 PM

I'm sure that he does not own the domain or administer it personally. He also does not attempt to disagree with anything published through it. His staff do not give any condemnation to anything proposed under Obamas name either.

So since its not Obamas website, to say Obama has anything to do with this is pretty premature, wouldn't you think?

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03-24-2013, 08:14 PM

What i find most ironic about Blank is that he strongly opposes religion, yet his stance in supporting Obama is largely based in faith. "Evidence" to disprove the existence of god comes under far less scrutiny than evidence against Obama. We should get something more conclusive, like a telephone survey.

I don't have a stance in supporting Obama, how'd you come to that conclusion?

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 08:21 PM

I don't have a stance in supporting Obama, how'd you come to that conclusion?

The fact that every comment i recall you ever making is either in support of Obama or in defense of Obama.

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03-24-2013, 08:27 PM

The fact that every comment i recall you ever making is either in support of Obama or in defense of Obama.

Do you know what support or defense means?

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 08:38 PM

Do you know what support or defense means?

You are an Obama supporter. You defend Obama.

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03-24-2013, 08:50 PM

You are an Obama supporter. You defend Obama.

Hmmmm. Interesting.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 09:40 PM

Hmmmm. Interesting.

Actually, no it isn't. It's very cliche and predictable. The democratic party has shepherding down to a science.

Elbow

03-24-2013, 09:54 PM

Off topic, do either of you have a link to the ACTUAL Georgia gun laws? I can't find it, a real .Gov type link not just a general recap, I want to make sure it's up to date.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 09:59 PM

Off topic, do either of you have a link to the ACTUAL Georgia gun laws? I can't find it, a real .Gov type link not just a general recap, I want to make sure it's up to date.

I have a book, anything in particular you're trying to find out?

Elbow

03-24-2013, 10:16 PM

I have a book, anything in particular you're trying to find out?

Not really anything particular, kind of curious on what's legal and what's not in the event someone broke in my house and what not.

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03-24-2013, 10:17 PM

Actually, no it isn't. It's very cliche and predictable. The democratic party has shepherding down to a science.

Ahh I forgot. It's a left-right thing in your world.

David88vert

03-24-2013, 10:41 PM

Keep looking.

I am referring to what he was arrested for this time, which was the unregistered firearm. Previous arrests and charges were not related to what he has been charged with this time. Having an unregistered handgun was illegal, and that's what he was arrested and charged with. You don't seem to understand how basic criminal charges work.

David88vert

03-24-2013, 10:48 PM

So since its not Obamas website, to say Obama has anything to do with this is pretty premature, wouldn't you think?

No. If you actually had a clue, you would already know that BarackObama.com is owned by Organizing For Action, and is based in Washington, D.C. and Chicago.
The formation of Organizing for Action was announced by Jim Messina, who served as Obama's 2012 campaign manager, and First Lady Michelle Obama on January 18, 2013. White House official Jon Carson left the Obama administration to become the executive director. Campaign senior adviser David Axelrod serves as a consultant. I believe it is safe to say that it has Obama's hands all over it.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 10:53 PM

Ahh I forgot. It's a left-right thing in your world.

You are a token liberal democrat. You're on the left.... the far left. Why you try to deny this is beyond me.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 10:58 PM

Not really anything particular, kind of curious on what's legal and what's not in the event someone broke in my house and what not.

OCGA 16-3-21 on GeorgiaPacking.org (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3&section=21)

It's unfortunate that we have to consider the "rights" of a criminal who may potentially be breaking into our homes.

Georgia is pretty fair though, if someone breaks into your home, Shoot them. Georgia doesnt have "duty to retreat".... no state should, since it's absolutely ridiculous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

The far left refer to the "stand your ground" rule as "the ability to shoot young black kids wearing hoodies, drinking sweet tea and eating skittles"... but in reality, it means you do not have to try and run from an attacker or make your best guess at a legal assessment of when the right time to use force is during an attack.

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 11:19 PM

So in Georgia, this 17 year old kid shot a 13 month old baby in the face intentionally during an armed robbery.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Gc1mrvHKoBE/UU4PSPCw8vI/AAAAAAAAKN4/s4vxjhlpt-4/s320/DeMarquis+Elkins+baby+shot+killed+Georgia+stroller .jpg

Now, we may never know what happened with Trayvon and Zimmerman..... but i'm pretty sure the 13 month old baby was not assaulting anyone....

So where is the NAACP? Where's Al Sharpton?? Where's the black panther party? dont they have anything to say about this? It was white america's fault when a Hispanic man shot a black teen, whos fault is it when a black teen shoots a toddler in the face?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/teen-boys-arrested-georgia-baby-shooting-death/story?id=18790997

Sinfix_15

03-24-2013, 11:33 PM

Obama and United Nations try to circumvent Congress on Gun Control | Defend Gun Rights (http://defendgunrights.com/articles/obama-and-united-nations-try-to-circumvent-congress-on-gun-control)

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03-25-2013, 04:46 AM

I am referring to what he was arrested for this time, which was the unregistered firearm. Previous arrests and charges were not related to what he has been charged with this time. Having an unregistered handgun was illegal, and that's what he was arrested and charged with. You don't seem to understand how basic criminal charges work.

I understand how basic criminal charges work, but the cops don't just show up to your house demanding to see your unregistered handgun. Lol

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03-25-2013, 04:51 AM

No. If you actually had a clue, you would already know that BarackObama.com is owned by Organizing For Action, and is based in Washington, D.C. and Chicago.
The formation of Organizing for Action was announced by Jim Messina, who served as Obama's 2012 campaign manager, and First Lady Michelle Obama on January 18, 2013. White House official Jon Carson left the Obama administration to become the executive director. Campaign senior adviser David Axelrod serves as a consultant. I believe it is safe to say that it has Obama's hands all over it.

I already know this. Lol. When I said "this is poorly researched" meant I already had a clue. Can you now quote me what Wikipedia says about 501c4's?

How come after you show me that its not Obamas website do you still maintain its Obamas website? Lol.

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03-25-2013, 04:55 AM

You are a token liberal democrat. You're on the left.... the far left. Why you try to deny this is beyond me.

...according to you. Lol. Your definition of far left its wildly skewed. But that's ok for me. It lets me know what I'm doing right. People on the collectively misinformed right usually call people with more knowledge than them "far left", not knowing what "far left" actually means. Your responses are very predictable and repeatable. It's pretty funny really.

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 05:05 AM

...according to you. Lol. Your definition of far left its wildly skewed. But that's ok for me. It lets me know what I'm doing right. People on the collectively misinformed right usually call people with more knowledge than them "far left", not knowing what "far left" actually means. Your responses are very predictable and repeatable. It's pretty funny really.

How would you define far left?

More knowledge? You're a sheep in the flock. Just another Obamacrat. You're book smart, yet completely lacking of common sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics shoe fits

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 05:18 AM

I understand how basic criminal charges work, but the cops don't just show up to your house demanding to see your unregistered handgun. Lol

Did you even read the story????????

The guy called the police while being robbed, showed them the surveillance video of the robbery attempt that was stopped by the presence of a handgun, they saw the use of a gun and inquired about it.

Cops dont just show up looking for guns?

Do you read any of the stories i post or do you just automatically begin spouting left wing rhetoric?

Guns of Law-Abiding Husband Confiscated After Wife’s Single Voluntary Mental Health Visit | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/12/calif-gun-owner-who-says-she-admitted-herself-to-mental-hospital-for-medication-adjustment-has-guns-confiscated/)

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03-25-2013, 05:21 AM

How would you define far left?http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Che_Guevara&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

More knowledge? You're a sheep in the flock. Just another Obamacrat. You're book smart, yet completely lacking of common sense.why thank you. Lol

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03-25-2013, 05:22 AM

Did you even read the story????????

The guy called the police while being robbed, showed them the surveillance video of the robbery attempt that was stopped by the presence of a handgun, they saw the use of a gun and inquired about it.

Cops dont just show up looking for guns?

Do you read any of the stories i post or do you just automatically begin spouting left wing rhetoric?

Guns of Law-Abiding Husband Confiscated After Wife’s Single Voluntary Mental Health Visit | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/12/calif-gun-owner-who-says-she-admitted-herself-to-mental-hospital-for-medication-adjustment-has-guns-confiscated/)

Like I've said time and time again...

Facepalm

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 05:32 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hVcfymOvoUo

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 05:32 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w9Ib_KDX39U

Hate crime?

Will the NAACP have a comment i wonder?

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03-25-2013, 06:01 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hVcfymOvoUo

I think this should be a spinoff of Godwin's Law:

When debating any topic with Sinfix15, the probability of a comparison involving a sect of a now defunct black supremacy group approaches 1.

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 06:46 AM

I think this should be a spinoff of Godwin's Law:

When debating any topic with Sinfix15, the probability of a comparison involving a sect of a now defunct black supremacy group approaches 1.

So the black panther party no longer exists?

David88vert

03-25-2013, 07:07 AM

I understand how basic criminal charges work, but the cops don't just show up to your house demanding to see your unregistered handgun. Lol

You must not have read the article or you were unable to comprehend what you read. He called the cops and showed them the video from his security cameras. They saw the gun in the video and then ran its numbers. Their system did not show the gun as registered so they arrested him. Whats so difficult to understand?

David88vert

03-25-2013, 07:09 AM

I already know this. Lol. When I said "this is poorly researched" meant I already had a clue. Can you now quote me what Wikipedia says about 501c4's?

How come after you show me that its not Obamas website do you still maintain its Obamas website? Lol.

Read again. Who set it up and manages it? Oh yeah, his handpicked team. I suppose that you think that his staff and his wife did it all without his knowledge.

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 07:25 AM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/retired-army-officer-dhs-must-surrender-their-war-weapons-to-dept-of-defense/

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 07:28 AM

Elbow

03-25-2013, 08:29 AM

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953 approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917 approximately 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1928, Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1943, 13 million Jews, gypsies, handicapped and homosexuals , unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1935, China established gun control, From 1948 to 1952, 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1962, Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981 over 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1970, Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were round up and exterminated.

In 1956, Cambodia established con control. From 1975 to 1977, I million “educated people” unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In the 20th century the total victims murdered by their own governments in ‘gun control’ countries is estimated to be between 60 million and 200 million men, women and children.

To me there's a difference in gun control and banning guns, did these countries take guns from citizens or do what we mostly see right now, such as limiting magazine size, banning certain weapons, and enforcing more strict background checks?

If the government wanted to come take my weapons or me, neither of my guns will put up a good fight to trained military with cutting edge rifles.

I also don't see any US military actually acting if they were ordered to attack US citizens, they do their job, sure, some may take the orders, but many I would feel would be on our side with the whole "brothers and sisters" mentality. How many of those countries listed above had a very persuasive leader that placed blame and brought out hate towards people in the country to create a huge following and simply brainwash people? You could say Obama has that power, but take note his brainwashed followers are anti-gun, so if they come to our homes with rocks or simply asking to please turn in our weapons, we should be OK.

I know it's bad, but every time I picture door to door soldiers I see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1bLXk6UVts

Thanks for the links on the previous page, BTW.

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03-25-2013, 09:10 AM

Godwin's Law manifests itself. Good job Sinfix.

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 09:12 AM

Godwin's Law manifests itself. Good job Sinfix.

http://www.procyon-services.com/bookworm/images/bookworm-lowres.png

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03-25-2013, 09:19 AM

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 09:42 AM

Stop trying to poke holes in his arguments. It's best to let them wallow in their own ignorance.

I'm going to do a telephone survey to prove my point, you just wait!

Elbow

03-25-2013, 10:19 AM

I'm going to do a telephone survey to prove my point, you just wait!

I don't get it.

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 10:58 AM

I don't get it.

For all the source bashing Blank does, he linked a telephone survey as "facts" supporting the idea that the "ghetto" did not have a drug problem. Blank feels that the "ghetto" is associated with drug users because of white people being seen purchasing drugs from the ghetto and associating that with drugs being used inside the "ghetto" by it's inhabitants. Blank proved this "fact" by linking a telephone survey administered to people from the "ghetto" asking them if they used drugs or thought their neighbors used drugs. The telephone survey revealed that drugs are a middle class white problem, that white people buy drugs from the "ghetto" and used them behind closed doors without getting caught.

Clearly it is impossible to poke holes in this scientifically infallible information. /sarcasm

Elbow

03-25-2013, 11:07 AM

Well I hope the people taking these surveys aren't like me...

"Hello?"
"Would you like to take a 2 minute survey on homosexuality?"
"Yes."
"Are you a homosexual?"
"Very."

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03-25-2013, 12:06 PM

Well I hope the people taking these surveys aren't like me...

"Hello?"
"Would you like to take a 2 minute survey on homosexuality?"
"Yes."
"Are you a homosexual?"
"Very."

Would you be more or less inclined to fake the same exact question for the sake of amusement on a written survey? Just wondering.

...unless you are actually homosexual....

I was just saying that telephone surveys are a very accepted method of collecting data. I'm not sure how Sinfix is confused about that, but I also don't believe he has much post-secondary education, so there's that...

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03-25-2013, 12:08 PM

For all the source bashing Blank does, he linked a telephone survey as "facts" supporting the idea that the "ghetto" did not have a drug problem. Blank feels that the "ghetto" is associated with drug users because of white people being seen purchasing drugs from the ghetto and associating that with drugs being used inside the "ghetto" by it's inhabitants. Blank proved this "fact" by linking a telephone survey administered to people from the "ghetto" asking them if they used drugs or thought their neighbors used drugs. The telephone survey revealed that drugs are a middle class white problem, that white people buy drugs from the "ghetto" and used them behind closed doors without getting caught.

Clearly it is impossible to poke holes in this scientifically infallible information. /sarcasmWow. This isn't what I felt at all. But I guess when you only read what you want to read...

And the survey didnt show it was a middle class white problem at all.

Elbow

03-25-2013, 03:54 PM

Would you be more or less inclined to fake the same exact question for the sake of amusement on a written survey? Just wondering.

...unless you are actually homosexual....

I was just saying that telephone surveys are a very accepted method of collecting data. I'm not sure how Sinfix is confused about that, but I also don't believe he has much post-secondary education, so there's that...

Probably not, that requires writing.

BanginJimmy

03-25-2013, 04:13 PM

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 04:37 PM

I cant believe you 2 are still whining about a phone survey.

Phone surveys are just as respected as any other form of survey from the same pollster. Yes, you are going to have some people answer with anything under the sun, you will also have the same people so the same things on a written or in person survey.

I have a telephone survey to every black person in america today. 97% of them think Obama is the best president ever.

A telephone survey accurately collects people's opinions that they are willing to give over a telephone.... nothing more.

After giving that telephone survey to every black person in america, i took a look break and then called every prison in america. 95% of the people in prison are innocent, we need to release them!

Elbow

03-25-2013, 04:42 PM

Is there a minimum number of people to survey to make a survey accurate or legit? Do they typically say how many were surveyed?

If I only ask 15 people a question, the results could be misleading.

BanginJimmy

03-25-2013, 04:53 PM

I have a telephone survey to every black person in america today. 97% of them think Obama is the best president ever.

A telephone survey accurately collects people's opinions that they are willing to give over a telephone.... nothing more.

After giving that telephone survey to every black person in america, i took a look break and then called every prison in america. 95% of the people in prison are innocent, we need to release them!

That is what margin of error is for. If a poll is polled in a biased way, you will get a biased poll, no matter how it is collected.

BanginJimmy

03-25-2013, 04:54 PM

Is there a minimum number of people to survey to make a survey accurate or legit? Do they typically say how many were surveyed?

If I only ask 15 people a question, the results could be misleading.

Any legitimate poll will give the number of respondents. If the poll doesnt list that, it isnt worth reading.

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 05:01 PM

Is there a minimum number of people to survey to make a survey accurate or legit? Do they typically say how many were surveyed?

If I only ask 15 people a question, the results could be misleading.

I just telephone surveyed the entire state of Florida. They all believe Tim Tebow was the greatest college QB ever.

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 05:02 PM

That is what margin of error is for. If a poll is polled in a biased way, you will get a biased poll, no matter how it is collected.

I just did a telephone survey asking people if they would be willing to be truthful during a self incriminating line of questioning given over a telephone survey....

what do you think the results were?

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 05:17 PM

As an alternative to torture and water boarding, our military is now going to collect the phone numbers of detainees and set them free. When they need to know something, they will conduct a telephone survey.

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 05:20 PM

damn, its been a real busy day for me...... i just finished another telephone survey. I called every preacher in america with a teenage daughter...... 100% of them are virgins who are saving themselves for marriage.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/122/7/8/beating_a_dead_horse_by_potatoehuman-d3fead4.jpg

Sinfix_15

03-25-2013, 08:10 PM

To me there's a difference in gun control and banning guns, did these countries take guns from citizens or do what we mostly see right now, such as limiting magazine size, banning certain weapons, and enforcing more strict background checks?

If the government wanted to come take my weapons or me, neither of my guns will put up a good fight to trained military with cutting edge rifles.

I also don't see any US military actually acting if they were ordered to attack US citizens, they do their job, sure, some may take the orders, but many I would feel would be on our side with the whole "brothers and sisters" mentality. How many of those countries listed above had a very persuasive leader that placed blame and brought out hate towards people in the country to create a huge following and simply brainwash people? You could say Obama has that power, but take note his brainwashed followers are anti-gun, so if they come to our homes with rocks or simply asking to please turn in our weapons, we should be OK.

I know it's bad, but every time I picture door to door soldiers I see this:

I feel you like you gave my response in your question. The "brainwashed followers" are not the ones who would act out the threat, they're simply ones who have already fallen victim to it. Within the next 5 years the United States will be the only country in the world that views gun ownership as a right, currently we are 1 of only 2 countries. We are currently in the process of negotiating an arms treaty with the United Nations. I've linked videos from the UN floor with leaders referring to handguns in the united states as weapons of mass destruction. Our country will never fall to a gun, sword, bomb ect...... the only threat to our way of life is the pen. Obama is doing everything in his power to bring that threat closer to reality. He doesnt appear evil because he doesnt believe that he is. In his mind he is trying to make the US a better place and deliver the "change" he promised. We didnt become the nation we are by believing in Obama's ideas. Our ancestors didnt cross an ocean into the unknown to have our freedom rationed by government.

BanginJimmy

03-25-2013, 09:51 PM

I feel you like you gave my response in your question. The "brainwashed followers" are not the ones who would act out the threat, they're simply ones who have already fallen victim to it. Within the next 5 years the United States will be the only country in the world that views gun ownership as a right, currently we are 1 of only 2 countries. We are currently in the process of negotiating an arms treaty with the United Nations. I've linked videos from the UN floor with leaders referring to handguns in the united states as weapons of mass destruction. Our country will never fall to a gun, sword, bomb ect...... the only threat to our way of life is the pen. Obama is doing everything in his power to bring that threat closer to reality. He doesnt appear evil because he doesnt believe that he is. In his mind he is trying to make the US a better place and deliver the "change" he promised. We didnt become the nation we are by believing in Obama's ideas. Our ancestors didnt cross an ocean into the unknown to have our freedom rationed by government.

The simple fact that you think the UN gun treaty would have even the slightest chance of being ratified by the Senate makes me question your sanity once again. Without looking it up, do you even know how mnay votes it takes in the Senate to ratify a treaty? My guess is no since you keep bringing it up.

Echonova

03-26-2013, 12:33 AM

Given the current state of the GOP... Not sure it's a stretch either.

Echonova

03-26-2013, 12:34 AM

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x378/Echonova3/9396_489696457764683_142216807_n_zpsa3380545.jpg

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03-26-2013, 12:47 AM

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x378/Echonova3/9396_489696457764683_142216807_n_zpsa3380545.jpg

Just to be clear, Patton's definition of a liberal democrat and the current definition of liberal democrat are TOTALLY different.

Echonova

03-26-2013, 12:49 AM

Just to be clear, Patton's definition of a liberal democrat and the current definition of liberal democrat are TOTALLY different.Agreed.

Most Republicans would also fall under his definition now.

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03-26-2013, 12:57 AM

Had to stick the caveat in there before Sinfix says "HURRDURR PATTON YOU'RE SOOOOOO RIGHT"

Sinfix_15

03-26-2013, 08:17 AM

The simple fact that you think the UN gun treaty would have even the slightest chance of being ratified by the Senate makes me question your sanity once again. Without looking it up, do you even know how mnay votes it takes in the Senate to ratify a treaty? My guess is no since you keep bringing it up.

Then why are they trying? them trying is enough to annoy me. Is our president evil or stupid? either way, not happy.

Sinfix_15

03-26-2013, 08:18 AM

Had to stick the caveat in there before Sinfix says "HURRDURR PATTON YOU'RE SOOOOOO RIGHT"

He would have said a lot worse about Obama.

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03-26-2013, 10:32 AM

He would have said a lot worse about Obama.

Doubt it

Sinfix_15

03-26-2013, 06:42 PM

Doubt it

Love is blind. You love your king. Everyone with half a brain thinks he's the worst president in the history of our country and will be glad when he's gone.

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03-26-2013, 07:53 PM

Love is blind. You love your king.How do you come to that conclusion based on that statement?

Everyone with half a brain thinks he's the worst president in the history of our country and will be glad when he's gone.Fortunately, those people you speak of with half a brain make up the uneducated fraction of the population.

Sinfix_15

03-26-2013, 08:11 PM

How do you come to that conclusion based on that statement?

Fortunately, those people you speak of with half a brain make up the uneducated fraction of the population.

If educated people want Obama, perhaps we need to re-evaluate the direction our education system is going.....

Obama's ideology goes against everything that made america what it is today and his followers are a bunch of mindless sheep who are too vulnerable to propaganda. Even you, you try so hard to pass yourself off as an intellectual but you never actually share one of your own thoughts. You spout left wing rhetoric every chance you get. When you're unsure of the politically correct leftism to apply to a given topic, you ignore the question and move on.

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03-26-2013, 09:05 PM

If educated people want Obama, perhaps we need to re-evaluate the direction our education system is going.....

Obama's ideology goes against everything that made america what it is today and his followers are a bunch of mindless sheep who are too vulnerable to propaganda. Even you, you try so hard to pass yourself off as an intellectual but you never actually share one of your own thoughts. You spout left wing rhetoric every chance you get. When you're unsure of the politically correct leftism to apply to a given topic, you ignore the question and move on.

I share my thoughts when it's appropriate.

Correcting gross misinformation and challenging logical fallacies does not leftism make. You'll learn that one day.

Elbow

03-26-2013, 09:17 PM

Good God does it ever end here? LOL

Neither one of you will EVER convince the other to switch sides or share all the same opinions.

BanginJimmy

03-26-2013, 09:31 PM

Then why are they trying? them trying is enough to annoy me. Is our president evil or stupid? either way, not happy.

Who says they are trying? Like every other bill or treaty ever written, it has some good parts if you can believe the articles I have read about it. In fact, I am all for some of the international sales provisions written into the treaty. Technically speaking, it is perfectly legal for Colt arms to develop a new automatic rifle and sell it to Somalis. Would they do it? Most likely no, but it is possible for them to do it. Under this treaty, it is possible to severely limit Colt's ability to move money around by limiting, or even cutting off, their access to the global banking system.

Echonova

03-26-2013, 10:11 PM

Good God does it ever end here? LOL

Neither one of you will EVER convince the other to switch sides or share all the same opinions.Since you don't believe in God...

Ima say no.

Echonova

03-26-2013, 10:12 PM

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x378/Echonova3/72239_10151256880192739_1441005899_n_zps3684974b.j pg

Echonova

03-26-2013, 10:43 PM

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j402/Echonova2/tumblr_ljhxqfJwB71qhisruo1_500.gif

Elbow

03-26-2013, 11:10 PM

Since you don't believe in God...

Ima say no.

Uhhh who said I don't believe in God? lol

Echonova

03-26-2013, 11:21 PM

Uhhh who said I don't believe in God? lolPretty sure you did.

So I'll let you sift through your posts and pull up the ones that prove me wrong.

Elbow

03-26-2013, 11:22 PM

Pretty sure you did.

So I'll let you sift threw your posts and pull up the ones that prove me wrong.

Never came out of my mouth. (Or keyboard)

I'm not reviewing posts. lol

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 07:23 AM

Good God does it ever end here? LOL

Neither one of you will EVER convince the other to switch sides or share all the same opinions.

I dont want him to switch sides..... I'll be happy with him admitting he is a moron.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 07:25 AM

Who says they are trying? Like every other bill or treaty ever written, it has some good parts if you can believe the articles I have read about it. In fact, I am all for some of the international sales provisions written into the treaty. Technically speaking, it is perfectly legal for Colt arms to develop a new automatic rifle and sell it to Somalis. Would they do it? Most likely no, but it is possible for them to do it. Under this treaty, it is possible to severely limit Colt's ability to move money around by limiting, or even cutting off, their access to the global banking system.

The united states will soon be the only country on the planet we live on that allows it's citizens to legally own guns. Tell me how this treaty benefits america? Tell me one thing that is good for america or our citizens.....

Why says theyre trying?
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/032013-648751-kerry-announces-support-of-arms-trade-treaty.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/kerry-support-arms-treaty/2013/03/15/id/494933
https://www.ijreview.com/2013/03/43435-senate-votes-53-46-to-block-u-s-participation-in-u-n-arms-treaty/

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03-27-2013, 08:47 AM

I dont want him to switch sides..... I'll be happy with him admitting he is a moron.

Fair enough. Since you seem to think you have a handle on the knowledge department, I'm gonna give you a set of win conditions. If any one of these are met, I will personally admit I am a moron, with an accompanying YouTube video so its documented.

The deadline is 11:59pm Tuesday, November 8th, 2016.

- National debt raises to $30T, with more than 60% owed to foreign creditors

- Budget deficit raises to more than $10T

- Unemployment rate raises to 20%

- A assault weapon eradication bill passes the senate and the house which allows the military to collect any and all assault style weapons from individual owners

- OR Obama makes said initiative an Executive order.

- World War 3 begins and ends with an unequivocal US defeat.

Remember, any one of these has to happen. Just one. You've got 3 years. Hope you have faith in your claims. Good luck.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 09:54 AM

Fair enough. Since you seem to think you have a handle on the knowledge department, I'm gonna give you a set of win conditions. If any one of these are met, I will personally admit I am a moron, with an accompanying YouTube video so its documented.

The deadline is 11:59pm Tuesday, November 8th, 2016.

- National debt raises to $30T, with more than 60% owed to foreign creditors

- Budget deficit raises to more than $10T

- Unemployment rate raises to 20%

- A assault weapon eradication bill passes the senate and the house which allows the military to collect any and all assault style weapons from individual owners

- OR Obama makes said initiative an Executive order.

- World War 3 begins and ends with an unequivocal US defeat.

Remember, any one of these has to happen. Just one. You've got 3 years. Hope you have faith in your claims. Good luck.

The amount of wiggle room you gave yourself should be considered an admission of guilt.

But..... i admire you for finally defining the perimeters of your Obama support.....

In the spirit of giving, i will do the same.............

I will finally admit i was wrong about global warming and completely boycott the use of gasoline if......

The average temperature in Alaska reaches 97 degrees in the middle of winter.
If Georgia temperatures are so hot that tires burst into flames in direct sunlight.
If New Jersey temperatures are so hot that tanning beds go out of business.
If the temperatures reach a point to where birds just start falling out of the sky already BBQ'd

Elbow

03-27-2013, 09:59 AM

Wouldn't global warming cause colder winters and hotter summers versus just overall more heat?

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03-27-2013, 10:00 AM

Wouldn't global warming cause colder winters and hotter summers versus just overall more heat?

I dont think he understands what global warming is. LOL

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03-27-2013, 10:04 AM

The amount of wiggle room you gave yourself should be considered an admission of guilt.

But..... i admire you for finally defining the perimeters of your Obama support.....

In the spirit of giving, i will do the same.............

I will finally admit i was wrong about global warming and completely boycott the use of gasoline if......

The average temperature in Alaska reaches 97 degrees in the middle of winter.
If Georgia temperatures are so hot that tires burst into flames in direct sunlight.
If New Jersey temperatures are so hot that tanning beds go out of business.
If the temperatures reach a point to where birds just start falling out of the sky already BBQ'd
Wiggle room? But you said he was the shittiest president in the history of US presidency, so one of those is bound to happen right?

You dont have to admit you were wrong about global warming. So lets try to stay on topic.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 10:15 AM

Wiggle room? But you said he was the shittiest president in the history of US presidency, so one of those is bound to happen right?

You dont have to admit you were wrong about global warming. So lets try to stay on topic.

So let me get this straight.....

Prior to Obama, no president came anywhere remotely close to a 1T deficit...... but for you to admit Obama is the worst president ever he has to reach 10T deficits?

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 10:16 AM

Wouldn't global warming cause colder winters and hotter summers versus just overall more heat?

I really dont give a shit... i think you're missing the point. If either of you took the global warming comment even remotely serious, then you're both morons.

If <insert super extreme ridiculous bullshit here> happens then blank admits Obama sucks

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 10:21 AM

Obama pledges to halve budget deficit by 2013 | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/02/23/us-obama-idUSN2344649120090223)

Yet here we are talking about Obama keeping it under 10T

Elbow

03-27-2013, 10:21 AM

I really dont give a shit... i think you're missing the point. If either of you took the global warming comment even remotely serious, then you're both morons.

If <insert super extreme ridiculous bullshit here> happens then blank admits Obama sucks

http://www.picgifs.com/celebrities/0-to-9/50-cent/celebrities-50-cent-311311.jpg

David88vert

03-27-2013, 10:21 AM

As for deficits, I suggest that everyone goes here: Historical Tables | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals)
and reviews Table 1.1.

Elbow

03-27-2013, 10:27 AM

As for deficits, I suggest that everyone goes here: Historical Tables | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals)
and reviews Table 1.1.

What's Outlays?

David88vert

03-27-2013, 10:30 AM

What's Outlays?

Money spent - expendatures

Elbow

03-27-2013, 10:32 AM

Money spent - expendatures

Oh....LOL

David88vert

03-27-2013, 10:48 AM

Here is a little something of interest.

From 1938-2008, starting where the US began Off-Budget spending, and going up through the budget passed just prior to Obama taking office, total deficits sum up to -5.29T

In just 4 years, from 2009-2012, under President Obama, that figure is -5.33T - more than all of the other deficits from 1938-2008 combined.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 10:51 AM

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 10:51 AM

Blank, Obama sucks and you're a moron for supporting him. Admit it, then we can move on from this and be friends.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 10:55 AM

But that's not enough of a confirmation for Obama supporters like blank.....

The President doesn't set the budget - Congress does.

Latest News on budget: http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrenzel/2013/03/27/short-term-congressional-budget-fixes-only-prevent-total-disaster/

Elbow

03-27-2013, 10:57 AM

Blank, Obama sucks and you're a moron for supporting him. Admit it, then we can move on from this and be friends.

I'm not completely against Obama either.

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03-27-2013, 10:57 AM

David88vert

03-27-2013, 11:00 AM

It might be of interest to you to look at the same chart adjusted for inflation.

So, the dollar dropped in value massively from 2008 to 2009?

Those figures are from the WH, and there are more tables there that you can review.
Try Table 1.3

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03-27-2013, 11:01 AM

And all of those charts fall short of what deficits are, aside from being partisan argument fodder

David88vert

03-27-2013, 11:04 AM

And all of those charts fall short of what deficits are, aside from being partisan argument fodder

Then you don't know how to read and understand them. The data is accurate, and there is no way that you took the time to review all of them. Your argument is based only on blind faith in the Democratic platform.

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03-27-2013, 11:05 AM

So, the dollar dropped in value massively from 2008 to 2009?

Those figures are from the WH, and there are more tables there that you can review.
Try Table 1.3

I'm not saying the figures are wrong, I'm saying that looking at these figures as a means to paint Obama as some kind of idiot is stupid.

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03-27-2013, 11:06 AM

Then you don't know how to read and understand them. The data is accurate, and there is no way that you took the time to review all of them. Your argument is based only on blind faith in the Democratic platform.

I know how to read them. Better than you do. I assure you.

Elbow

03-27-2013, 11:24 AM

I know how to read them. Better than you do. I assure you.

That's kind of a baseless blow to the face.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 11:24 AM

I'm not saying the figures are wrong, I'm saying that looking at these figures as a means to paint Obama as some kind of idiot is stupid.

Ok, then I agree on that point - it's deficit numbers, and the President does not set the budget. I was not trying to convey that Obama is stupid. Just presenting the same data that the WH and CBO utilizes in their own assessments.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 11:25 AM

I know how to read them. Better than you do. I assure you.

Obviously not - you've made that type of claim before, and have been proven wrong every time.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 11:26 AM

That's kind of a baseless blow to the face.

He does that a lot. I present data and facts, he presents his own unsubstantiated opinion as though it was factual. It's just his nature.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 11:36 AM

It might be of interest to you to look at the same chart adjusted for inflation.

Here's your numbers from Table 1.3, which is an adjusted table. This table utilizes 2005 dollar values, and only goes back to 1940. It is one of the tables that the CBO utilizes in its analysis of budgets.

1940-2008 (68 years, 11 Presidents) = -9.8T
2009-2012 (4 years, under 1 President on 1 Term) = -4.67T

The CBO estimates that 2009-2016 (Obama, 2 terms) budgets sum to -6.9T, and that is adjusted numbers.

Of course, you should have already known these exact figures, right?

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03-27-2013, 11:38 AM

That's kind of a baseless blow to the face.

Baseless? LOL. He claimed the deficit was larger than so many years combined. From an economist perspective, it's misleading every way you slice it. The same claim has been made by many an ignorant person trying to claim were in some kind of dire straights, but its not the case.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 11:41 AM

Baseless? LOL. He claimed the deficit was larger than so many years combined. From an economist perspective, it's misleading every way you slice it. The same claim has been made by many an ignorant person trying to claim were in some kind of dire straights, but its not the case.

I simply showed the data. Nothing more. The numbers don't lie. I never claimed that we were in dire straights either. Again, you spout baseless conjecture.

Nothing I said was false or incorrect:
"From 1938-2008, starting where the US began Off-Budget spending, and going up through the budget passed just prior to Obama taking office, total deficits sum up to -5.29T
In just 4 years, from 2009-2012, under President Obama, that figure is -5.33T - more than all of the other deficits from 1938-2008 combined."

Once again, you jump to conclusions and try to place your opinion as fact on other people.

You are not an economist, anymore than you are a scientist.

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03-27-2013, 11:50 AM

Ok, then I agree on that point - it's deficit numbers, and the President does not set the budget. I was not trying to convey that Obama is stupid. Just presenting the same data that the WH and CBO utilizes in their own assessments.

Even looking at it as a means to smear congress or the administration falls short of telling the whole story. You're trying to combine fiscal policy and monetary policy into one big group and that's not how it works. There are specific reasons deficits are higher now, why the debts are higher now. Trying to say its all executives fault, or all congress' fault, or all one persons fault is ignorant.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 12:07 PM

Even looking at it as a means to smear congress or the administration falls short of telling the whole story. You're trying to combine fiscal policy and monetary policy into one big group and that's not how it works. There are specific reasons deficits are higher now, why the debts are higher now. Trying to say its all executives fault, or all congress' fault, or all one persons fault is ignorant.

I never made that claim. I simply stated facts - how you perceive those facts is not my problem. I am aware of history and how we have been put in situations where we had to spend outside of the planned budget many times. Part of Congress' job though is to specifically plan for these possible future expenditures, and to build a budget plan that includes deficit reduction. They have not even proposed a budget that could reconcile the federal deficit. To not hold them accountable for their job shows ignorance.

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03-27-2013, 12:25 PM

I never made that claim. I simply stated facts - how you perceive those facts is not my problem. I am aware of history and how we have been put in situations where we had to spend outside of the planned budget many times. Part of Congress' job though is to specifically plan for these possible future expenditures, and to build a budget plan that includes deficit reduction. They have not even proposed a budget that could reconcile the federal deficit. To not hold them accountable for their job shows ignorance.Deficit reduction isn't always the best course of action. In this sense they are doing their jobs and being held accountable for it. People who dont know any better automatically and incorrectly associate deficits as a bad thing, but that's not the case.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 12:39 PM

Deficit reduction isn't always the best course of action. In this sense they are doing their jobs and being held accountable for it. People who dont know any better automatically and incorrectly associate deficits as a bad thing, but that's not the case.

Properly managed deficits in order to improve the country are one thing, rapid unchecked growth of a deficit with no real plan to control it is another. The CBO projects -6.7T in 8 years under Obama's executive position, compared to -9.8T in adjusted dollars from 1940-2008. Doesn't that seem excessive to you, considering we went through numerous wars, recessions, infrastructure upgrades, etc.? What are average Americans getting in return for these expenditures? We aren't seeing a massive infrastructure improvement, we aren't fighting wars on multiple fronts, we aren't suffering from massive inflation like under Carter, etc. How is this spending going to improve the lives for Americans for generations to come, without saddling our economy with burgeoning interest payments? Should government controlled healthcare costs be that expensive?

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03-27-2013, 03:21 PM

It would seem excessive until you understand exactly how much greater your money supply is, vs. 200 years ago.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 03:37 PM

It would seem excessive until you understand exactly how much greater your money supply is, vs. 200 years ago.

I completely understand that the income from tax revenue has increased, as we pay out a lot more taxes now than when they just paid the poll and property taxes at the start of this country. I have studied them a lot. Look at the percentage of expenditure vs revenue though, and you will see that it has increased dramatically in the last 4 years deeper into deficit spending. We did not have spending outside of the budget in these percentages anywhere in the past. Surely, you would agree that our generation pays out a much higher percentage in taxation than any of the generations prior to 1861 (Revenue Act of 1861 - first US income tax, abolished in 1872).

Oh, and those last dollar amounts were adjusted amounts. The CBO projects that during the 8 years under Obama, Congress will increase the deficit to 70% of what all of the other budget deficits combined did from 1940-2008 - and that is adjusted, not raw dollar amounts.

I still haven't heard what we getting back for all of this spending increases. What's our ROI?

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03-27-2013, 04:16 PM

I still haven't heard what we getting back for all of this spending increases. What's our ROI?
An unrivaled military industrial complex, taxpayer funded financial system protection for starters.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 05:52 PM

An unrivaled military industrial complex, taxpayer funded financial system protection for starters.

Yes, we do spend quite a bit each year on defense spending. In 2008, it was just over $730B, and it has continued to increase each year (2012 is just over $903B).
The total (TARP + Federal Reserve) bailout cost 3.3B NET as of Apr 2012.
Remember how Obama said that they would pay the TARP loans back with interest? That hasn't happened yet. The White House Office of Management and Budget recently estimated that TARP will ultimately cost the government $63.5 billion - you can look that up on HuffPost.

I don't know about you, but I want a better return on my investment.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 07:29 PM

That's kind of a baseless blow to the face.

It's Blank we're talking about.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 07:32 PM

An unrivaled military industrial complex, taxpayer funded financial system protection for starters.

Good thing Obama came around and gave us those things...... man i dont know how we ever made it without them....

oh wait, that's right... they were here before Obama and somehow never managed to cost trillions of dollars.

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03-27-2013, 07:37 PM

Good thing Obama came around and gave us those things...... man i dont know how we ever made it without them....

oh wait, that's right... they were here before Obama and somehow never managed to cost trillions of dollars.

Then you need to get your head in a modern history book and an economics book I guess.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 07:38 PM

Then you need to get your head in a modern history book and an economics book I guess.

I'll do that as soon as you pull your head out of your ass, take a breath of fresh air and join reality with the rest of us.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 07:50 PM

How about this.... you admit you're a moron for supporting Obama if....

The deficit stays above 1T.... 1T a number we've accepted as normal under Obama, yet it's a number higher than any president in history by large margin. Obama was the first president to put the word trillion in the deficit and he's maintained it through his presidency. He claimed he would cut it in half and from the words of his own mouth said....

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." Obama 2006

So even Obama realizes he's a failure.

He was right though..... we do deserve better than this piece of shit we currently have as a president.

BanginJimmy

03-27-2013, 08:06 PM

Then you need to get your head in a modern history book and an economics book I guess.

While I do agree with you in many ways, no one can even begin to compare Bush spending to Obama spending.

Bush's largest tax receipt year was 2007 when the govt collected 2.568T. In today's currency, that would be about 2.85T. That year was also his lowest deficit at only 160B, ~175B in today's currency.

Obama's deficits have fallen every year he has been in as the economy slowly adds jobs but he hasnt broken 1T yet. Today's spending is 1.14T higher than 2007 and tax receipts are only 100B lower, ~400B when you adjust for inflation.

I dont care what program you want to look at for cuts, but spending is the problem, not revenue. If revenue was actually a problem, we would have had more than 5 years over the last 50 that we actually ran a surplus.

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03-27-2013, 08:12 PM

The deficit stays above 1T.... 1T a number we've accepted as normal under Obama, yet it's a number higher than any president in history by large margin. Obama was the first president to put the word trillion in the deficit and he's maintained it through his presidency.
Except I understand why the deficit is 1T, and I understand that it's not necessarily a bad thing right now.

Sinfix_15

03-27-2013, 08:16 PM

Except I understand why the deficit is 1T, and I understand that it's not necessarily a bad thing right now.

You would justify anything this president did. If he wasn't the first black president, perception would be a lot more clear.

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03-27-2013, 08:34 PM

You would justify anything this president did. If he wasn't the first black president, perception would be a lot more clear.

It doesn't matter if he's black or white. The principles of macroeconomics have been the same with every single president before him, and they'll be the same for every president after him. That's the way things are. That's reality. You're just upset that you're heavily invested in the Obama Haterade Corp. (TM) and I'm the direct cause of your plummeting share prices.

David88vert

03-27-2013, 09:07 PM

Except I understand why the deficit is 1T, and I understand that it's not necessarily a bad thing right now.

But you aren't exactly proclaiming it as a good thing either.
I'm interested in what you think you understand. Why do you think that the deficit is over $1T each year, and why is it not a bad thing? Details please. I want to see how you think it works.

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03-27-2013, 09:39 PM

But you aren't exactly proclaiming it as a good thing either.
I'm interested in what you think you understand. Why do you think that the deficit is over $1T each year, and why is it not a bad thing? Details please. I want to see how you think it works.

I'm not trying to proclaim it as a good thing either.

And the short answer is a combination between expansionary fiscal policy and expansionary monetary policy.

ahabion

03-27-2013, 09:44 PM

I didn't read all these pages... but just reading the first page was awesome and hilarious! Great Job Sinfix and David88!

David88vert

03-27-2013, 10:03 PM

I'm not trying to proclaim it as a good thing either.

And the short answer is a combination between expansionary fiscal policy and expansionary monetary policy.

I want to know exactly what you believe that you understand. You have stated multiple times that you understand these economic policies very well. Your short answer is very vague. I would like to hear what your education has taught you.

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03-27-2013, 10:17 PM

What's vague about expansionary fiscal policy? That's about the most specific and realistic answer for anything in this thread. Deficit spending is a single tool governments use to balance an economy

David88vert

03-28-2013, 07:12 AM

What's vague about expansionary fiscal policy? That's about the most specific and realistic answer for anything in this thread. Deficit spending is a single tool governments use to balance an economy

Explain what you think they are doing and why it is appropriate - in your opinion. You stated it was a combination of fiscal and monetary. Explain your perception of its combination - just your own opinion of how and what the right amount of expansion and distribution is - in regards to the value that the average American receives.

Or, you could paste your college dissertation on macroeconomic policy here. Surely, your college professor wouldn't have taken a paper that just said combination of expansionary fiscal and monetary policies.

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03-28-2013, 11:21 AM

Explain what you think they are doing and why it is appropriate - in your opinion. You stated it was a combination of fiscal and monetary. Explain your perception of its combination - just your own opinion of how and what the right amount of expansion and distribution is - in regards to the value that the average American receives.

Or, you could paste your college dissertation on macroeconomic policy here. Surely, your college professor wouldn't have taken a paper that just said combination of expansionary fiscal and monetary policies.

How about I make another thread on it. If it pleases the court. Lol

Sinfix_15

03-28-2013, 11:52 AM

How about I make another thread on it. If it pleases the court. Lol

So come 2016, things are exactly the way they are now...... Obama a success in your eyes?

Sinfix_15

03-28-2013, 11:58 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ledhyTAE2zo

Sinfix_15

03-28-2013, 12:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jMxZMHMppHU

David88vert

03-28-2013, 02:07 PM

How about I make another thread on it. If it pleases the court. Lol

I'm not the court, but I believe that I would find it interesting. I'm not trying to start an argument either - I'm genuinely interested in your opinion and position - and I'm not looking to attack you on your opinion on economics.

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03-28-2013, 02:52 PM

I'm not the court, but I believe that I would find it interesting. I'm not trying to start an argument either - I'm genuinely interested in your opinion and position - and I'm not looking to attack you on your opinion on economics.

Honestly to lay it all out would require its own thread. It'll get side tracked in here.

Elbow

03-28-2013, 02:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jMxZMHMppHU

You think there will be a civil war?

David88vert

03-28-2013, 05:27 PM

Honestly to lay it all out would require its own thread. It'll get side tracked in here.

True.

Whenever you have time, if you are willing to.

Sinfix_15

03-29-2013, 09:19 AM

You think there will be a civil war?

If there was or wasnt, you would deny the possibility until the moment someone kicked down your door. Video points out a lot of sketchy government over reaches.

Elbow

03-29-2013, 09:42 AM

If there was or wasnt, you would deny the possibility until the moment someone kicked down your door. Video points out a lot of sketchy government over reaches.

There's always been sketchy government, if there was something insane them I would believe it. If they banned guns and came to take them yes, there would be a civil war.

Sinfix_15

03-29-2013, 09:52 AM

There's always been sketchy government, if there was something insane them I would believe it. If they banned guns and came to take them yes, there would be a civil war.

However far away you may think that possibility is, Obama brought us closer to it.

Sinfix_15

03-29-2013, 11:42 AM

Obama steps up pressure to pass gun measures - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/28/obama-steps-pressure-pass-gun-measures/)

Elbow

03-29-2013, 12:29 PM

However far away you may think that possibility is, Obama brought us closer to it.

I'll agree that we're closer than ever on terms of hardcore gun control/banning of certain weapons, but I truly don't think we will ever have guns taken from us, if that did happen, then there would be war.

Sinfix_15

03-30-2013, 12:02 PM

Anderson Cooper: 'I'm Not Piers Morgan, I'm Not Trying to Push an Agenda' (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/30/Anderson-Cooper-Im-Not-Piers-Morgan?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Sinfix_15

03-30-2013, 12:23 PM

lets be honest with ourselves.......

who doesnt need a 100 round magazine filled with armor penetrating ammo?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s268/Virtutis/007-14_zpsf9b6fa72.jpg

David88vert

03-30-2013, 01:03 PM

lets be honest with ourselves.......

who doesnt need a 100 round magazine filled with armor penetrating ammo?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s268/Virtutis/007-14_zpsf9b6fa72.jpg

I don't need it.

Sinfix_15

03-31-2013, 06:50 AM

Gross. WaPo Blames White Males for Gun Violence in America – Despite the Facts | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/gross-wapo-blames-white-males-for-gun-violence-in-america-despite-the-facts/)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/white-men-have-much-to-discuss-about-mass-shootings/2013/03/29/7b001d02-97f3-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html

Sinfix_15

03-31-2013, 06:55 AM

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03-31-2013, 11:49 AM

Democrats Push Legislation to Remove Sheriffs Who Refuse to Enforce Unconstitutional Gun Laws | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/democrats-push-legislation-to-remove-sheriffs-who-refuse-to-enforce-unconstitutional-gun-laws/)

The comments on that page made my IQ drop two points. Why would you get information from a page who's visitors are consistently and thoroughly misinformed, and who's writers are blatantly biased and hold no reservation about it in their reporting?

Put aside what you think is or isn't constitutional about gun laws, because as of yet, nothing has passed that is unconstitutional...

How do you feel about sherrifs picking and choosing which laws they enforce or don't enforce, based on their own judgement?

Sinfix_15

03-31-2013, 05:30 PM

The comments on that page made my IQ drop two points. Why would you get information from a page who's visitors are consistently and thoroughly misinformed, and who's writers are blatantly biased and hold no reservation about it in their reporting?

Put aside what you think is or isn't constitutional about gun laws, because as of yet, nothing has passed that is unconstitutional...

How do you feel about sherrifs picking and choosing which laws they enforce or don't enforce, based on their own judgement?

A lefty calling media biased is laughable.

You keep saying nothing has happened......... yeah, thankfully..... because people are fighting Obama tooth and nail to stop all of his radical bullshit. If everyone said yes to Obama our country would be at war with itself right now.

The sherrifs are doing their jobs..... it's Obama who seeks to play by his own rules and wipe his ass with the constitution. The sherrifs are just letting Obama know that he isnt the supreme ruler that he wants to be and his will does not override the constitution. Thankfully there are people standing up to the fucking lunatic we have for a president.

David88vert

03-31-2013, 07:24 PM

How do you feel about sherrifs picking and choosing which laws they enforce or don't enforce, based on their own judgement?

The sherrifs are doing their jobs..... it's Obama who seeks to play by his own rules and wipe his ass with the constitution. The sherrifs are just letting Obama know that he isnt the supreme ruler that he wants to be and his will does not override the constitution. Thankfully there are people standing up to the fucking lunatic we have for a president.

While LEOs have some discretion in how they address individual situations, they are not allowed to simply ignore a law that they do not agree with. Sheriffs have sworn to uphold the law, and are part of the executive branch, not the judicial or legislative. Sheriffs are elected officials and know before they take office that they may have to enforce laws that they do not agree with. Unless the law is clearly in violation of the Constitution or Amendments, they generally don't have a legal leg to stand on if they just refuse to enforce the law.

Likewise, the President is the head of the Federal Executive Branch and has the same responsibility to enforce the laws that the legislative branch has passed. So why is Obama not calling for the enforcement of the immigration laws that are currently on the books already?

Sinfix_15

04-01-2013, 12:49 AM

While LEOs have some discretion in how they address individual situations, they are not allowed to simply ignore a law that they do not agree with. Sheriffs have sworn to uphold the law, and are part of the executive branch, not the judicial or legislative. Sheriffs are elected officials and know before they take office that they may have to enforce laws that they do not agree with. Unless the law is clearly in violation of the Constitution or Amendments, they generally don't have a legal leg to stand on if they just refuse to enforce the law.

Likewise, the President is the head of the Federal Executive Branch and has the same responsibility to enforce the laws that the legislative branch has passed. So why is Obama not calling for the enforcement of the immigration laws that are currently on the books already?

Presidents have sworn to uphold the constitution.

Sinfix_15

04-01-2013, 03:22 AM

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04-01-2013, 06:43 AM

‘Illegal’: Obama Plotting To Gut Nuclear Arsenal Without Required Consent Of Senate « Pat Dollard (http://patdollard.com/2013/03/illegal-obama-plotting-to-gut-nuclear-arsenal-without-required-consent-of-senate/)

Anyone who writes that there is a dangerous arms race between the US and NK, in an attempt to defame the president, a man who won a nobel peace prize for this very issue, should literally be wearing a straight jacket.

NK can't even get a nuke to blow up correctly in their own front yard much less deliver a nuclear payload, effectively to any US base.

Even the right wing is distancing itself from this kind of crazy. Lol.

Sinfix_15

04-01-2013, 12:17 PM

Anyone who writes that there is a dangerous arms race between the US and NK, in an attempt to defame the president, a man who won a nobel peace prize for this very issue, should literally be wearing a straight jacket.

NK can't even get a nuke to blow up correctly in their own front yard much less deliver a nuclear payload, effectively to any US base.

Even the right wing is distancing itself from this kind of crazy. Lol.

Obama won a nobel peace prize for being the first black president. Unfortunately, being black is still a highly overrated accomplishment in modern society.

Sinfix_15

04-02-2013, 08:02 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N47StpqUO2c

Sinfix_15

04-02-2013, 01:33 PM

Democrats push for $10K fine for gun owners without liability insurance - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/2/democrats-push-10k-fine-gun-owners-without-liabili/)

democrats will never stop........ until the very last beat of their bleeding hearts.....

I'm sure our mandate loving president will like this idea.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/2/un-passes-international-arms-regulation-treaty/#.UVsdvTQIPcE.twitter

Sinfix_15

04-02-2013, 02:38 PM

Blank, have you given up on defending the tyrannical actions of the political party you support?

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04-02-2013, 02:43 PM

Blank, have you given up on defending the tyrannical actions of the political party you support?

Even though I don't support any political party, yes, I have given up on explaining to you what tyranny means.

Sinfix_15

04-02-2013, 04:08 PM

I don't support any political party

I'm not a Gators fan....

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04-02-2013, 04:15 PM

I'm not a Gators fan....

Good for you....?

Sinfix_15

04-02-2013, 04:17 PM

Good for you....?

"It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept." - Bill Watterson

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04-02-2013, 04:24 PM

"It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept." - Bill Watterson

At least you can admit it. I guess

Sinfix_15

04-02-2013, 09:05 PM

David88vert

04-02-2013, 09:23 PM

Report: DHS Sent Memo To Banks Saying It Can Seize All Customer Accounts Without Warrant, Announcing Random And Warrantless Searches Of Safe Deposit Boxes With Eye Toward Guns And Gold « Pat Dollard (http://patdollard.com/2013/03/obamas-dhs-can-seize-gold-silver-guns-in-safety-deposit-boxes-without-warrant/)

Nothing in the article was documented. These "instructions" have not been told to the individual bank branch offices, where the safety deposit boxes actually are located - I know that for a fact.

Sinfix_15

04-03-2013, 08:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oDtW-w-wHHo

good thing i live in the middle of the city........

you know, because police respond lightning fast here.......

and i always know every single person who walks into my driveway............

That's why crime rates are so much lower in big cities right????

LOL..... even on his best day....... this president is a delusional moron. Spoken like a family who doesnt know what it's like to not have 15 security guards at their side 24 hours a day.

Sinfix_15

04-04-2013, 08:39 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEJ1iUOCYAAA3qa.jpg:large

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04-04-2013, 10:05 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEJ1iUOCYAAA3qa.jpg:large

Oh. Interesting. There are more reports of gun violence in areas where there are more people. I would have thought the exact opposite.

/s

Sinfix_15

04-04-2013, 01:38 PM

The only gun infographic you’ll ever need. | RedState (http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/04/the-only-gun-infographic-youll-ever-need/)

bu villain

04-04-2013, 03:01 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEJ1iUOCYAAA3qa.jpg:large

Umm. Statistics fail. Correlation is not causation and as blank pointed out, it's completely obvious that there will be more gun violence where there are vastly more people. no matter who those people tend to vote for. Let's see a map of all the starbucks in the US, how much you want to bet it looks pretty similar. I guess we can conclude Starbucks causes gun violence.

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04-04-2013, 03:09 PM

The only gun infographic you’ll ever need. | RedState (http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/04/the-only-gun-infographic-youll-ever-need/)

Another stupid infographic that tells me absolutely nothing. I stopped when it tried to compare the US to 3rd world countries and under-industrialized nations.

Sinfix_15

04-04-2013, 04:11 PM

Another stupid infographic that tells me absolutely nothing. I stopped when it tried to compare the US to 3rd world countries and under-industrialized nations.

Yet the people you vote for seem to support the policies of 3rd world countries and under industrialized nations.

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04-04-2013, 04:14 PM

Yet the people you vote for seem to support the policies of 3rd world countries and under industrialized nations.

Gun control measures, measures that the majority of people are for, are policies of 3rd world nations and under-industrialized nations? Which policies in particular? Be specific.

Sinfix_15

04-04-2013, 04:32 PM

Gun control measures, measures that the majority of people are for, are policies of 3rd world nations and under-industrialized nations? Which policies in particular? Be specific.

People do not support gun control. Your king manipulates his plan to be as socially acceptable as possible. He lies......... it's how you libs operate.

"Do you want to save babies?" yeah
"do you want to make sure babies dont get shot?" yeah
"do you want to prevent babies from being shot?" yeah
"well we need to ban assault rifles to prevent babies from being shot" ok???

If Obama laid forth any of his plans with sincere honesty..... he would be sitting in a lawyers office right now trying to get some guy a bigger settlement on his car accident claim.

Sinfix_15

04-05-2013, 10:54 AM

N.Y. Dad’s Pistol License Suspended Over Something His 10-Year-Old Son Said — and It Could Be 8 Years Before He Gets It Back | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/04/n-y-dads-pistol-license-suspended-over-something-his-10-year-old-son-said-and-it-could-be-8-years-before-he-gets-it-back/)

Elbow

04-05-2013, 10:59 AM

..." he added. He also brought up the fact that there are now students getting suspended for pointing their fingers like “firearms.”

Good.

Sinfix_15

04-05-2013, 12:21 PM

Gun-grabbing Democrats in Maryland about to force Beretta to leave state with their jobs « Bob Owens (http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/03/gun-grabbing-democrats-in-maryland-about-to-force-beretta-to-leave-state-with-their-jobs/)

Sinfix_15

04-05-2013, 01:27 PM

MILLER: Second Amendment crumbling as gun-control victories spread - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/4/miller-second-amendment-crumbling-gun-control-vict/)

ISAtlanta300

04-05-2013, 01:45 PM

..." he added. He also brought up the fact that there are now students getting suspended for pointing their fingers like “firearms.”

Good.

You don't say...

Deaf child's sign language name looks too much like gun, parent says school told him - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/28/13531342-deaf-childs-sign-language-name-looks-too-much-like-gun-parent-says-school-told-him?lite)

:rolleyes:

Sinfix_15

04-05-2013, 01:59 PM

You don't say...

Deaf child's sign language name looks too much like gun, parent says school told him - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/28/13531342-deaf-childs-sign-language-name-looks-too-much-like-gun-parent-says-school-told-him?lite)

:rolleyes:

We're gonna replace "cowboys and indians" with "liberals and tax-cattle"

Sinfix_15

04-06-2013, 09:35 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=h6mAUTP9Sq4

Nothing new here...... lying democrats always bury the devil in the details.

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04-06-2013, 09:54 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=h6mAUTP9Sq4

Nothing new here...... lying democrats always bury the devil in the details.

I was hoping that timer meant his time was up.

Sinfix_15

04-06-2013, 03:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KztkvfeyO80

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04-06-2013, 03:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KztkvfeyO80

Not even gonna watch it. It leads with a picture of a soldier pointing a gun at a citizen. Not gonna take it seriously. That's what breeds stupid people

Oh shit. You posted it....

Sinfix_15

04-06-2013, 03:23 PM

Not even gonna watch it. It leads with a picture of a soldier pointing a gun at a citizen. Not gonna take it seriously. That's what breeds stupid people

Oh shit. You posted it....

Funny how you proclaim to be such a scholar, yet you label history as stupid and then have the audacity to call someone else stupid for remembering it. A black man referring to the idea of tyrannical government as stupid.......... doesnt get more ironic than that. There was a time when our government looked at you the same way they would a horse.... as a piece of property.... something to be bought and sold... worked in a field...... and now in present day you discard the right that would allow you to defend yourself from ever suffering a similar fate under the false sense of security that it could never happen again. By the way scholar, which political party was it that voted against your freedom? Simple.... the same one voting against it today.

anyways, video is mostly news articles about people defending themselves from robbery attempts.... some of them are pretty interesting.