Well, it's been quite a while but I thought I'd share

[dvtek4sir]

Well, it's been a while since I've uploaded any pics, I mostly lurk around the forum now. The last ones I took, I still had the AP1 wheels, no fogs, Apexi exhaust, fake black housing headlights, different mirrors, no Takata, and a raggedy ass B16. All that has been changed, and now here's the current look. Motor work is the next step, hopefully it'll be completed by early next year.
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[Sammich]

i cant say that i like it..those wheels do nothing for that car...i mean, generally it's clean, but a better wheel selection could make this car pop

[SHAUNvX]

Looks good, But like sammich stated, New wheels would do wonders for this car.
And i see shit all over your car in the pics, What is it?

[dvtek4sir]

The wheels are just temporary, winter mode. The stuff on the car is rain. I was only able to get some pics before the rain started to come down.

[Andr3w]

I like the wheels and I like the car, but I don't like them together.

[dvtek4sir]

I would've gone with oem ITR wheels, but they're not very common around here. I wouldn't be opposed to trading for other wheels, but they must be 5x114.3 with tires

[Sammich]

IMO you should have kept the AP1 wheels..i think the lines would have fit way more than the BBS, but if you have wheel whore tendencies, i understand

[Bacon]

I have some 5 lug Acura TL wheels that look like five lug SIs if you want to buy them.

[quickdodge®]

I actually think the wheels are but one thing I like about the car. Except they look too big to me. The only other thing I like is that it doesn't have stretched tires and ugly bowed in wheels. It really sits about perfect for daily use.

[boostedb16]

love the car but like most have said, new wheels and i seen where you said they were temporary. the only thing i dont like and have never understood is the hood raised in the back.

[KyleG]

I like! Not the best wheel selection but also not the worse. I also want to know whats up with the hood? lol

[dvtek4sir]

The hood has risers. They never really bothered me much, so I didn't mess with it. Half the time, I don't even notice them. After winter, new wheels will be put on and the BBS' will be stored. Like I said earlier, I'd trade straight for some oem ITR 15's in gunmetal.

[ChnkyLao]

love the bbs, tired of seeing the same stock honda wheel from another honda

[boostedb16]

The hood has risers. They never really bothered me much, so I didn't mess with it. Half the time, I don't even notice them. After winter, new wheels will be put on and the BBS' will be stored. Like I said earlier, I'd trade straight for some oem ITR 15's in gunmetal.but why does it have risers?

[Genji-Sama]

I want to say I like this car, but there's just nothing about it that pushes it to "clean" :goodjob: on the brightside that means it's not fugly as fawk

[Doppelgänger]

Personally, the wheels are rockin' perfectly.

Just ditch the wing and those dumbshit hoodrisers...oh and that shit hanging off your rear "tow hook".

[dvtek4sir]

I don't have anything hanging off my tow hook. It's actually attached to the rear bumper support to reduce static electricity, and act as another grounding point. I'd never hang a "drift charm" on a fwd civic. I have more sense than that. As for the hood risers, they don't bother me so maybe when the motor comes I'll think about taking them off. Thanks for the kind words, though

[Elbow]

I don't have anything hanging off my tow hook. It's actually attached to the rear bumper support to reduce static electricity, and act as another grounding point. I'd never hang a "drift charm" on a fwd civic. I have more sense than that. As for the hood risers, they don't bother me so maybe when the motor comes I'll think about taking them off. Thanks for the kind words, though

Not bad but the wing KILLS it, the hood risers, and the JDM "ground."

I like the wheels, but with that wing I just can't get into it.

[dvtek4sir]

Good thing, I built my car for you guys. Without your guidance, I'd be lost. I know everyone has their own opinion and I appreciate the input, but in the end I'm going to do whatever regardless of the opinion of everyone else. I have been thinking of ditching the CTR wing, in favor of a Spoon duckbill. That'll come after I get the motor built and tuned.

[Doppelgänger]

Duckbills are a classic look, just don't get one of those really exaggerated ones.

As for the anti-static doohicky, I couldn't tell what it was, but kinda looked on the lines of the shit kids are doing these days. Don't really know the validity/truthfulness of those things though..kinda like those old "circle Earth" grounding kits that were all the rave years ago.

[boostedb16]

i understand you liking the hood risers but could someone explain why a car would have them in the first place. i am not just talking about this one. i have just never understood the reason behind it.

[boostedb16]

Duckbills are a classic look, just don't get one of those really exaggerated ones.

As for the anti-static doohicky, I couldn't tell what it was, but kinda looked on the lines of the shit kids are doing these days. Don't really know the validity/truthfulness of those things though..kinda like those old "circle Earth" grounding kits that were all the rave years ago.hahaha i remember those grounding things. never understood those either.

[dvtek4sir]

hahaha i remember those grounding things. never understood those either.
Damn, Circle Earth by HKS. I remember those. From what I have read it helps keep low air pressure in your engine bay and improving airflow and decreasing engine temp. Not too sure if it's working on my current setup, but that's the basic point of them. The ground kit, helps reduce static electricity which is the number one cause of gas station explosions. As far as the duckbill goes, I'm probably going with a real Spoon, so no exaggeration or flared ends like some of the knockoffs.

[Elbow]

Damn, Circle Earth by HKS. I remember those. From what I have read it helps keep low air pressure in your engine bay and improving airflow and decreasing engine temp. Not too sure if it's working on my current setup, but that's the basic point of them. The ground kit, helps reduce static electricity which is the number one cause of gas station explosions. As far as the duckbill goes, I'm probably going with a real Spoon, so no exaggeration or flared ends like some of the knockoffs.

Isn't that area a high pressure zone? It would do the opposite wouldn't it?

[dvtek4sir]

On a stock car, it's designed to be a high pressure zone for air flow. With a modified car, it's optimal to have a high pressure zone in front of the radiator and low pressure zone behind it, that way the air can escape the low pressure zone (hood/fenders) creating better airflow and cooler temps. Since our cars are modified (front lips, lowered, etc) the hood risers usually create the low pressure zone behind the radiator.

[boostedb16]

On a stock car, it's designed to be a high pressure zone for air flow. With a modified car, it's optimal to have a high pressure zone in front of the radiator and low pressure zone behind it, that way the air can escape the low pressure zone (hood/fenders) creating better airflow and cooler temps. Since our cars are modified (front lips, lowered, etc) the hood risers usually create the low pressure zone behind the radiator.I guess if theres a purpose. thanks for explaining it.

[Elbow]

On a stock car, it's designed to be a high pressure zone for air flow. With a modified car, it's optimal to have a high pressure zone in front of the radiator and low pressure zone behind it, that way the air can escape the low pressure zone (hood/fenders) creating better airflow and cooler temps. Since our cars are modified (front lips, lowered, etc) the hood risers usually create the low pressure zone behind the radiator.

No offense but I don't think your car has enough aero mods to make that work, or need it to work. Do you track it?

[dvtek4sir]

I do, but unfortunately, the track nearest to me has been closed for a few months now. The next closest one, is around 1.5hrs away. I don't like the idea of driving 1.5hrs, thrashing my car around a track (hoping it doesn't break), then driving it back. I may eventually go, but nothing is for certain.

[Elbow]

Gotcha. Which tracks just out of curiosity?

[dvtek4sir]

The closest ones that are still open are in Holt and Panama City. The raceway here, is just a dirt oval.

[Sinfix_15]

On a stock car, it's designed to be a high pressure zone for air flow. With a modified car, it's optimal to have a high pressure zone in front of the radiator and low pressure zone behind it, that way the air can escape the low pressure zone (hood/fenders) creating better airflow and cooler temps. Since our cars are modified (front lips, lowered, etc) the hood risers usually create the low pressure zone behind the radiator.

omg you're a genius!!! you'd think all of these multi billion dollar car manufacturers would think of this...... and yet all of these morons continue to build cars with hoods that fit....

It's an absolute miracle that the 14 million engines Honda builds a year manage to run without overheating. It's a real shame that Honda would risk the longevity of their engines by designing cars with properly fitting body panels. When will Honda learn to follow the lead of the world's most advanced auto manufactures and utilize this technology. Take a look at Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Mercedes, Bugatti, BMW, Audi...... none of these cars have fully closed hoods......



oh wait........

[dvtek4sir]

Glad you brought something constructive to the table. When it's you're car, you can modify it anyway you'd like and do whatever your little heart desires, but while it's my car I'll do whatever I want with it, regardless of your opinion or criticism. I don't know if you actually track your car or are just a bench racer that can tell me everything he's learned from the internet and magazines, either way I don't care. I don't see any Ferrari's, Bentley's, etc. in your garage, so your opinion means nothing to me. So, until you actually own any of those vehicles, thanks for nothing. :goodjob:

[KyleG]

The more I look in this thread the more I like the car.. And the wheel selection. And thats why people raise hoods? Thats actually pretty interesting! I'd never thought to look at it that way. The absolute only thing I'd do to the car is get tires with white letters lol And thats what I say about every car I see.

Stay different from the crowd man! Dont make your car blend with all the other civics buzzing around

[Sinfix_15]

Glad you brought something constructive to the table. When it's you're car, you can modify it anyway you'd like and do whatever your little heart desires, but while it's my car I'll do whatever I want with it, regardless of your opinion or criticism. I don't know if you actually track your car or are just a bench racer that can tell me everything he's learned from the internet and magazines, either way I don't care. I don't see any Ferrari's, Bentley's, etc. in your garage, so your opinion means nothing to me. So, until you actually own any of those vehicles, thanks for nothing. :goodjob:

You drive a NA civic and you're trying to sell the idea that you did that to your hood for racing or some other mechanical purpose. If you like the way that gay shit looks then just own up to it. Quit making excuses. It's not for racing and serves no mechanical purpose what so ever. It looks dumb as hell. You insult the intelligence of anyone who enters this thread by saying it's for any other purpose than aesthetics. So far you have two people in this thread, including the guy who posted directly above me who are buying into this nonsense.

[dvtek4sir]

You drive a NA civic and you're trying to sell the idea that you did that to your hood for racing or some other mechanical purpose. If you like the way that gay shit looks then just own up to it. Quit making excuses. It's not for racing and serves no mechanical purpose what so ever. It looks dumb as hell. You insult the intelligence of anyone who enters this thread by saying it's for any other purpose than aesthetics. So far you have two people in this thread, including the guy who posted directly above me who are buying into this nonsense.
Just because my car is an NA civic, has no relevance to anything. The engine still produces heat, like any other and that hot air can be released from there by venting. Being on the track and constantly pushing the engine throughout the rpm range, will produce a lot more heat than daily driving. As I currently do not have a vented hood, this is a cheaper alternative.

JDM Hood Prop - Import Tuner Magazine (http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp_0909_jdm_hood_prop/) (they're called facts for a reason)

Please stay out of this thread, if that's all you're coming in here for. It'll be much better without your negativity. :bigok:

[BenjaminJunu]

You drive a NA civic and you're trying to sell the idea that you did that to your hood for racing or some other mechanical purpose. If you like the way that gay shit looks then just own up to it. Quit making excuses. It's not for racing and serves no mechanical purpose what so ever. It looks dumb as hell. You insult the intelligence of anyone who enters this thread by saying it's for any other purpose than aesthetics. So far you have two people in this thread, including the guy who posted directly above me who are buying into this nonsense.

actually a lot of NA civics with k-swaps have to run hood riser because the motor simply doesn't fit.
I Don't see why it bothers you so much, it's his car let him do whatever he wants.

[Elbow]

Just because my car is an NA civic, has no relevance to anything. The engine still produces heat, like any other and that hot air can be released from there by venting. Being on the track and constantly pushing the engine throughout the rpm range, will produce a lot more heat than daily driving. As I currently do not have a vented hood, this is a cheaper alternative.

JDM Hood Prop - Import Tuner Magazine (http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp_0909_jdm_hood_prop/) (they're called facts for a reason)

Please stay out of this thread, if that's all you're coming in here for. It'll be much better without your negativity. :bigok:

What tracks do you run at? Never got that answer. lol Just curious where you run at down there.

That's a Miata though and the intake is right there. So of course intake temperature is lower. In a track situation, I don't think the results would be as great for the engine bay temp. It may help, but other vents in better locations would release hot air faster in my eyes.

It's your car, but it's just one of those things that's sort of pointless unless you're REALLY tracking your car frequently and need that small amount of gain.

[E36slide]

I used hood risers to clear my sc on my miata other then that they shouldn't be used especially on a Honda.

[Doppelgänger]

I will tell you right now you have NO idea what you're talking about with the hood/airflow based on "what you've heard".

The area at the cowl is high pressure, nothing will change that. No splitters, no undertrays, no canards, spoilers.....NOTHING. It's a matter of fluid dynamics. I'm sorry, but it really pains me when people will just do something so blindly when they have absolutely NO understanding of it...nor think about it logically.

Please read this thread explaining why this "mod" is complete ricer bullshit....right up there with TYC Altezza tail lights, 7" tip exhausts, Black Widow bodykits, and color changing underglow neons.

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/general-tech/334987-why-hood-risers-ricers-actually-hurt-performance-your-car.html#post39478896

[KyleG]

I'd rather see a raised hood than a crowl hood or other tacky hoods :P Then you guys would be calling him a ricer and other nonsense. Give the guy a little break. He said it doesn't bother him, thats why he hasnt messed with it. He hasn't left it on for the track, he just doesn't care about it. Read the guys posts

[dvtek4sir]

It's right under your last post. As I am running the PWJDM CF intake, it does suck a majority of the air from the engine bay where the temp is high. As we all know cold air is definitely better, and any way to get cooler air is always better.

[dvtek4sir]

I will tell you right now you have NO idea what you're talking about with the hood/airflow based on "what you've heard".

The area at the cowl is high pressure, nothing will change that. No splitters, no undertrays, no canards, spoilers.....NOTHING. It's a matter of fluid dynamics. I'm sorry, but it really pains me when people will just do something so blindly when they have absolutely NO understanding of it...nor think about it logically.

Please read this thread explaining why this "mod" is complete ricer bullshit....right up there with TYC Altezza tail lights, 7" tip exhausts, Black Widow bodykits, and color changing underglow neons.

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/general-tech/334987-why-hood-risers-ricers-actually-hurt-performance-your-car.html#post39478896

Oh, sorry. I didn't realize you held a master's degree in Aeronautical Engineering. Proof of this degree will definitely change my mind, until then It's just another internet opinion cluttering up this thread.

[Sinfix_15]

Just because my car is an NA civic, has no relevance to anything. The engine still produces heat, like any other and that hot air can be released from there by venting. Being on the track and constantly pushing the engine throughout the rpm range, will produce a lot more heat than daily driving. As I currently do not have a vented hood, this is a cheaper alternative.

JDM Hood Prop - Import Tuner Magazine (http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp_0909_jdm_hood_prop/) (they're called facts for a reason)

Please stay out of this thread, if that's all you're coming in here for. It'll be much better without your negativity. :bigok:
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actually a lot of NA civics with k-swaps have to run hood riser because the motor simply doesn't fit.
I Don't see why it bothers you so much, it's his car let him do whatever he wants.

When i walk through my house, if i saw a cabinet door open or a faucet running, id instinctively want to close it. When i see a car with it's hood not closed, i get the same effect. I thought riding around with your hood open was only something house wives did after they tried to check their oil and forgot to close it.

I can tolerate the (lack of) style, but dont piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The kid pawning it off as a performance upgrade is insulting to people's intelligence.

[Sinfix_15]

reduces "under hood" temperatures by 55%.... why? cause race car!
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj271/Lauz84/Civicvtec/Hoodless.jpg

[Doppelgänger]

Just because my car is an NA civic, has no relevance to anything. The engine still produces heat, like any other and that hot air can be released from there by venting. Being on the track and constantly pushing the engine throughout the rpm range, will produce a lot more heat than daily driving. As I currently do not have a vented hood, this is a cheaper alternative.

JDM Hood Prop - Import Tuner Magazine (http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp_0909_jdm_hood_prop/) (they're called facts for a reason)

Please stay out of this thread, if that's all you're coming in here for. It'll be much better without your negativity. :bigok:


Oh, sorry. I didn't realize you held a master's degree in Aeronautical Engineering. Proof of this degree will definitely change my mind, until then It's just another internet opinion cluttering up this thread.

You know, I was actually being pretty damn nice toward you. Saying the mod is ricer bullshit is just that, the mod. I'm not outright saying you're such a title and even went as far as posting up a nice explanation of why that is a "dumb mod" in order to help you (and others) understand what is happening. Did you even bother to read any of it? I'm guessing not. No, I'm not some physics major, but I have been around plenty of people who are qualified to discuss this matter and have learned enough from these people. Clearly, however, you do have your degree in this field. So please take your time in replying with factual data to prove otherwise.

Furthermore, that "article" is a fucking joke. I laughed quite loudly at their "data" and how it was "measured". They didn't prove jack shit. Oh so air temperatures in the engine bay were a few degrees cooler. That doesn't mean SHIT. You can have a snow-packed engine bay and air temps at -13*F and still have an overheating engine if there is no air flow over the radiator. News flash- engines aren't air-cooled. Engines don't give a shit what the air temperature is in the engine compartment. What about all the mid-engine and rear-engine cars out there with engines in VERY tight compartments with little or no airflow? Think about it. What matters is the ability to move air across the radiator to keep the coolant in the engine at a proper temperature. A proper test would have been much more in-depth and would have measured coolant and oil temperatures across a set of conditions using a constant and the variable. The bottom line is introducing air into the engine bay without it passing over the radiator reduces the heat transfer and the ability of the radiator to do its sole purpose- remove heat from the coolant.

Also, don't feel too singled out, I've had this discussion on a number of occasions...friends and strangers, and on more than one occasion, people have thought about it and realized the misconception.



Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair.


Lastly- I am NOT knocking on anyone for *needing* a way to make an engine clear a hood. I know there are a very few exceptions to this, but even in those situations I believe there is a better way to make it work. As far as sourcing air for an intake, there are proper ways to do that as well without compromising proper air flow- trying to cool the entire engine bay is not one of these methods. A well placed and isolated intake is not a hard thing to do. And to top that off, most gains from aftermarkets intakes come from flow and design over intake temperature. Yes cooler air is denser and can make a slight gain in power, but not as much as you would think. Detonation resistance is more of a factor. But let's not get started on pumping losses based on air temperature differences.