KBB Sinfix Edition (Enter at own risk) Auto appraisal

[Sinfix_15]

So, i make a habit of browsing the for sale ads here and i often come across a good number of cars that are priced insanely over what theyre actually worth. Usually theyre 240s. While i can honestly say that i am not that studied on the science of the drift tax, i can offer you a reasonable value for your car so that you can avoid embarrassing yourself with your for sale ad. While i would usually post inside the sale ad in question, i was politely asked to stop doing this. Most of the 240sx listed on this site have 8k+ price tags and a month or so after listing them at this obnoxious price, they start bumping their ad around $4k-4500. Let me save you this trouble and set you on an accurate ballpark figure from the start.

I assure you i will give you my honest value assessment of your vehicle or decline if i feel my experience is not adequate in pricing your specific vehicle. You will receive a detailed description of how i came to my assessment along with any other documentation available to support your price quote.

To give you an idea of how this works..... i will offer a sample appraisal of a misc vehicle. Feel free to post any vehicle you're thinking about buying or selling.

My intention is not to be insulting, only to be brutally honest and observant

Here we have a 91 240sx. Vehicle has an above avg mods list done to it's sr20 engine. While the body is straight by standards and expectations of a 91 240sx, the car has ripples in the front and back fenders from rolling/scrubbing. It is missing the passenger side skirt which reveals that the body panels is crushed in. There is white overspray on a number of areas reflecting that the car has some amateur paint touch up. The rear panel is black and doesnt match. The rear bumper is covered with smoke. The cheap electric fan is held on by zipties and the intercooler piping is wrapped in reflective tape. The overall appearance of this vehicle gives me the impression that it is not owned and maintained by a responsible driver and it has likely been abused and/or neglected.

Engine - Has a solid mods list, but many areas of it give reason to be cautious. Grade - 7/10
Body - The body is somewhat straight with fair paint quality. Pignose is common and doesnt increase value - 6/10
Interior - a bit rough and over customized to the owners personal taste, but not beyond the realm of expectation - 5/10
Wheels/tires - Wheels are in great condition but theyre cheap and personalized to the owner's taste. 7/10

Overall - This is an above avg conditioned vehicle for this year and model. While i hesitate to put faith in the mechanical stability of this car, you should be the judge of that when you drive it. The main value increase for this vehicle is it's performance mods.

Price assessment - Low range $4500 High range $6000

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/34604BD6-B48B-4BD4-AB22-FBF69A374CE0-21626-000014E2DF7B128D.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/06EBBAF0-E98F-4E32-B4C5-2922A3D86255-21626-000014E305095C7C.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/51FA6FC6-18DD-4894-BA7A-B9A47D4C299F-21626-000014E220C5E3FC.jpg


If E36 is offended by this example, i will replace it. thank you.

[Vteckidd]

So, i make a habit of browsing the for sale ads here and i often come across a good number of cars that are priced insanely over what theyre actually worth. Usually theyre 240s. While i can honestly say that i am not that studied on the science of the drift tax, i can offer you a reasonable value for your car so that you can avoid embarrassing yourself with your for sale ad. While i would usually post inside the sale ad in question, i was politely asked to stop doing this. Most of the 240sx listed on this site have 8k+ price tags and a month or so after listing them at this obnoxious price, they start bumping their ad around $4k-4500. Let me save you this trouble and set you on an accurate ballpark figure from the start.

I assure you i will give you my honest value assessment of your vehicle or decline if i feel my experience is not adequate in pricing your specific vehicle. You will receive a detailed description of how i came to my assessment along with any other documentation available to support your price quote.

To give you an idea of how this works..... i will offer a sample appraisal of a misc vehicle. Feel free to post any vehicle you're thinking about buying or selling.

My intention is not to be insulting, only to be brutally honest and observant

Here we have a 91 240sx. Vehicle has an above avg mods list done to it's sr20 engine. While the body is straight by standards and expectations of a 91 240sx, the car has ripples in the front and back fenders from rolling/scrubbing. It is missing the passenger side skirt which reveals that the body panels is crushed in. There is white overspray on a number of areas reflecting that the car has some amateur paint touch up. The rear panel is black and doesnt match. The rear bumper is covered with smoke. The cheap electric fan is held on by zipties and the intercooler piping is wrapped in reflective tape. The overall appearance of this vehicle gives me the impression that it is not owned and maintained by a responsible driver and it has likely been abused and/or neglected.

Engine - Has a solid mods list, but many areas of it give reason to be cautious. Grade - 7/10
Body - The body is somewhat straight with fair paint quality. Pignose is common and doesnt increase value - 6/10
Interior - a bit rough and over customized to the owners personal taste, but not beyond the realm of expectation - 5/10
Wheels/tires - Wheels are in great condition but theyre cheap and personalized to the owner's taste. 7/10

Overall - This is an above avg conditioned vehicle for this year and model. While i hesitate to put faith in the mechanical stability of this car, you should be the judge of that when you drive it. The main value increase for this vehicle is it's performance mods.

Price assessment - Low range $4500 High range $6000

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/34604BD6-B48B-4BD4-AB22-FBF69A374CE0-21626-000014E2DF7B128D.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/06EBBAF0-E98F-4E32-B4C5-2922A3D86255-21626-000014E305095C7C.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/51FA6FC6-18DD-4894-BA7A-B9A47D4C299F-21626-000014E220C5E3FC.jpg


If E36 is offended by this example, i will replace it. thank you.

Could he add more zipties?

[Echonova]

I will add one... Much with your disclaimer that I have no idea what the current JDM/drift tax is. But $2800 for a beat RHD shell seems steep to me.



Hey guys I regret it but im ready to sell my baby and move on to something else. I have a complete minus motor and transmission 1995 Nissan Silvia JDM RHD rolling chassis. There are some electronics in the pictures they have already been sold. The car still has complete interior with digital climate control. Comes with stock suspension, it is 5 lug, and has Z Brakes. It does need some body work, the pictures make it look worse than it is. It does not come with the carbon hood, and the wheels will be stock s14 SE wheels. I want to keep this interesting so i am open to offers. I am interested in a Ruckus, motorcyle, old jap cars, guns, and other vehicles. Just lmk know what you have. It is registered in GA, and will come with a GA title. What you do with it is your business. I will take $2800 cash, or if we work out a trade it needs to be worth it, especially on my end. The best way to contact me is text, or email. Hit me up at 404 766 8668 thanks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/famous_atticus/IMAG0052.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/famous_atticus/IMAG0053.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/famous_atticus/IMAG0048.jpg

Here's a car that will include nothing that might actually have any value. Any trade MUST benefit him on his end. #YOLO

[RL...]

lol Sinflix is nicer than me, the car in the first post would be worth 2k at most to me. I'd have to spend more money fixing how crappy the owners of the car has made it instead of making it nicer or better. lol

[Hermin]

I will add one... Much with your disclaimer that I have no idea what the current JDM/drift tax is. But $2800 for a beat RHD shell seems steep to me.



Here's a car that will include nothing that might actually have any value. Any trade MUST benefit him on his end. #YOLO

I offered him $1500. my body guy can fix the quarter panel.

f22c s14? waaa?

[Vteckidd]

I offered him $1500. my body guy can fix the quarter panel.



The "my body guy can fix the quarter panel" usually means you can bondo it enough so that you and your hardparker friends dont care and can pat each other on the back about how awesome your stance is. Assuming of course it makes it to the parking lot, and you know , you dont slam it into a guard rail.

A true and proper 1/4 panel fix costs more than $1000.

[D3UC3S]

HAHAHAHAHHA...love this shit

[BenjaminJunu]

lol the pictures make it worse than it already is. pictures cause 1000 dollars worth of damage. I wouldn't pay 2800 for that 240 even if it had a sr20.
Then again i wouldn't drive any 240 because 9 out of 10 of them are like this.

[Doppelgänger]

Oh the fun that can be had with this...

[Boosting EG]

nice

[SHAUNvX]

I wanna see more :ninja:

[RsonGt3's]

The "my body guy can fix the quarter panel" usually means you can bondo it enough so that you and your hardparker friends dont care and can pat each other on the back about how awesome your stance is. Assuming of course it makes it to the parking lot, and you know , you dont slam it into a guard rail.

A true and proper 1/4 panel fix costs more than $1000.

I agree.

[l Gizzy l]

I agree.

everyone agrees with facts. Hence why they are called facts. xD

[Echonova]

I wanna see more :ninja:After some "price drops"... Still asking $6500


Make: ACURA
Model: RSX Type-S
Year: 2002
Mileage: 138,xxx

CONTACT: COS 404.987.2598

VIN#: Will provide if interested. Also have a clean Carfax

Condition: Interior: 8/10, Exterior 7/10

PRICE: $6500

Up for sale is a 2002 Acura Rsx Type-S. The car has the 2.0L 4 cyl motor paired with the 6 speed manual transmission. Car has been properly maintained and services performed at required time intervals. Mileage is 138,XXX. Car is great on mileage and very reliable!
Car has never been raced or has any major engine modifications (outside of an AEM cold air intake). Adult driven. There are some signs of wear, but the car is in very good condition!

The Good:

- New clutch/pressure plate installed. (Less than 1 year old)
- New Master Cylinder (less than 1 year old)
- New brakes and rotors on all 4 corners (Replaced early 2012)


Small issues

-Small tear in passenger seat
- Will need tires in the near future
- SRS light on (due to seat being removed and re-installed - easy fix just needs to be reset)
- Check engine light for Air/Fuel ratio sensor (Car is drivable)


http://imageshack.us/a/img16/8044/5i85g55fe3ge3f23n2c71ea.jpg
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http://imageshack.us/a/img716/7581/2012061617465181.jpg
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Unfortunately for you - There are 2 of the biggest dash warning lights on. Maybe consider clearing those up before you sell? I'm confident a lot more people would be willing to purchase the car then. Otherwise who really knows if the SRS is only on because "the seat was removed" and CEL for "Air/fuel ration sensor."

Could very well be a lot more complicated - if SRS is so easy I think it would be worth your time fix it.

Regardless, GLWS, love the RSX! free bump.


Thanks for the input. I am selling a used car as the title says. Used cars usually have some minor issues.

Thanks for the bump.

Kelley Blue Book (http://www.kbb.com/acura/rsx/2002-acura-rsx/type-s-sport-cpe-2d/?vehicleid=3399&intent=buy-used&mileage=138000&condition=excellent&pricetype=private-party) In "Excellent" condition (3% of vehicles meet this rating according to kbb), it's a $6300 car...

Being generous with the condition...
Kelley Blue Book (http://www.kbb.com/acura/rsx/2002-acura-rsx/type-s-sport-cpe-2d/condition-quiz-results/?vehicleid=3399&intent=buy-used&mileage=138000&condition=excellent&pricetype=private-party&quizconditions=1|0|0|0|1|3|0|0|2|0|0|1|3|0|2|0)

[E36slide]

So, i make a habit of browsing the for sale ads here and i often come across a good number of cars that are priced insanely over what theyre actually worth. Usually theyre 240s. While i can honestly say that i am not that studied on the science of the drift tax, i can offer you a reasonable value for your car so that you can avoid embarrassing yourself with your for sale ad. While i would usually post inside the sale ad in question, i was politely asked to stop doing this. Most of the 240sx listed on this site have 8k+ price tags and a month or so after listing them at this obnoxious price, they start bumping their ad around $4k-4500. Let me save you this trouble and set you on an accurate ballpark figure from the start.

I assure you i will give you my honest value assessment of your vehicle or decline if i feel my experience is not adequate in pricing your specific vehicle. You will receive a detailed description of how i came to my assessment along with any other documentation available to support your price quote.

To give you an idea of how this works..... i will offer a sample appraisal of a misc vehicle. Feel free to post any vehicle you're thinking about buying or selling.

My intention is not to be insulting, only to be brutally honest and observant

Here we have a 91 240sx. Vehicle has an above avg mods list done to it's sr20 engine. While the body is straight by standards and expectations of a 91 240sx, the car has ripples in the front and back fenders from rolling/scrubbing. It is missing the passenger side skirt which reveals that the body panels is crushed in. There is white overspray on a number of areas reflecting that the car has some amateur paint touch up. The rear panel is black and doesnt match. The rear bumper is covered with smoke. The cheap electric fan is held on by zipties and the intercooler piping is wrapped in reflective tape. The overall appearance of this vehicle gives me the impression that it is not owned and maintained by a responsible driver and it has likely been abused and/or neglected.

Engine - Has a solid mods list, but many areas of it give reason to be cautious. Grade - 7/10
Body - The body is somewhat straight with fair paint quality. Pignose is common and doesnt increase value - 6/10
Interior - a bit rough and over customized to the owners personal taste, but not beyond the realm of expectation - 5/10
Wheels/tires - Wheels are in great condition but theyre cheap and personalized to the owner's taste. 7/10

Overall - This is an above avg conditioned vehicle for this year and model. While i hesitate to put faith in the mechanical stability of this car, you should be the judge of that when you drive it. The main value increase for this vehicle is it's performance mods.

Price assessment - Low range $4500 High range $6000

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/34604BD6-B48B-4BD4-AB22-FBF69A374CE0-21626-000014E2DF7B128D.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/06EBBAF0-E98F-4E32-B4C5-2922A3D86255-21626-000014E305095C7C.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/51FA6FC6-18DD-4894-BA7A-B9A47D4C299F-21626-000014E220C5E3FC.jpg


If E36 is offended by this example, i will replace it. thank you.

Seems to be fair if you're OCD. I've fixed a lot of what you have mentioned as well as put a lot into the car since my last post.

Tein inner and outers new, rack adapters with spacers, Isis tension rods, modded knuckles, rack cooler, electric fan is now rocking actual radiator fan zipties. There are no ripples as the fenders have been pulled and rolled correctly with zero scrubbing the paint however did crack. No longer has those rims. I bought 6 squares from enjuku.. The paint is something I don't mind as I will re paint it but over all it's clean with a small over spray nothing black paint can't fix. The interior is very clean yes it does have duct tape on the center price but that cost 10 dollars to replace. Nothing else is wrong with the interior beside the 2 cracks. The under carriage damage is something I can't fix hence the side skirts. The reflective tape helps with cooling you would know this if you actually moddified a car. Yes it's ugly but helps keep the inter cooling piping temp down thus making the air cooler.

I would part this car before I would sell it for 4.5k I wasn't expecting to sell this car more so trade it. As far as its reliability goes I did a compression check. 155 psi across all cylinders on a cold motor so add about 10 psi for a warm motor giving it be pretty much perfect. If anyone questions the ability of this car be sure to be at the Yolo event to see it in action.


It's not longer for sale or trade in keeping it. Thank you for assessment on my car sin fix.

[nelson9995]

post a pic wth the squares!!

[E36slide]

post a pic wth the squares!!

I will when they arrive just ordered them last night as I sold my other rims. Now I'm rocking se's lol looks so stupid since the fenders are pulled but oh well.

Here is a pic of the angle after modded knuckles giving its not at full lock still have other stuff to install before the event
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/5E2E857C-EA81-4014-B355-B37B67044934-8002-0000068168A175A4.jpg

[SHAUNvX]

yea that RSX is probably never gonna sell. LOL

[Echonova]

It's not longer for sale or trade in keeping it. Thank you for assessment on my car sin fix.Cool.



FYI: I deleted your For sale thread.

[E36slide]

Cool.



FYI: I deleted your For sale thread.

Thank you sir. Can you please for the love of god change my picture ? I'm tired of seeing my mug shot and how good I use to look.

[Echonova]

Thank you sir. Can you please for the love of god change my picture ? I'm tired of seeing my mug shot and how good I use to look.For you... Yea, why not.

[DeeAOne]

I came in here for the car values. That's what I want to see.

[Elbow]

That little white sticker on the windshield...... is from a road course event.

Recent? Where at?

Just curious not saying you didn't or anything.

[Sinfix_15]

anyways, the topic of this thread is not to belittle e36, even though its such an easy thing to do.... we have many other threads for that.

If you have a car thats unique and you want to "test the water" with someone who will be completely honest with you.... post your car up here.

[Sinfix_15]

oh shit...... get nostalgic up in the mother now.

http://www.upgrademotoring.com/car_pics/junmotion1.jpg

[Western.]

In for the original purpose of this thread. Some serious entertainment is in store. :goodjob:

[E36slide]

In for the original purpose of this thread. Some serious entertainment is in store. :goodjob:

He no longer can post I put him in time out

[Western.]

Boooooo. IMPEACH!!:crazy:

[Echonova]

THIS JUST IN:



















Women's college volleyball is on ESPN2 right now.

[E36slide]

THIS JUST IN:



















Women's college volleyball is on ESPN2 right now.

Awesome

[SHAUNvX]

E36 Why are you so worried about sinfix, I want the REAL reason. If its because he bashes your car who gives a shit, I have had people tell me my car is ugly, I said cool thats your opinion, And i dont care what you say, It looks good.

[Catnip]

God damn. Nothing either of you two, completely brain dead, stupid son of bitches said was worth typing a response to.

[Sinfix_15]

E36 Why are you so worried about sinfix, I want the REAL reason. If its because he bashes your car who gives a shit, I have had people tell me my car is ugly, I said cool thats your opinion, And i dont care what you say, It looks good.

I honestly dont feel i have bashed his car. I gave an accurate depiction of his vehicle's condition. I guess the truth hurts more. He gets mad when you point out obvious flaws in his cars but he openly insults some of the nicest most well built cars on this forum.

E36 is your typical egomaniac kid. When he drove a miata he argued with this guy.... because this miata was better than his in every way imaginable.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8432/7561719344_dbc6da4752_b.jpg

Now that he has a 240sx, he argues with me..... because....
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s268/Virtutis/apr1-21.jpg


There's nothing more volatile than a delusional egomaniac. In his mind he thinks he's so amazing and it turns his little pretend world upside down when someone directs him back to reality.

[SHAUNvX]

Im sorry if you own a Miata and you try to hate on that grey Miata, You just need to stop, And pay respects to a amazing car. Nice 240 sinfix.

[RsonGt3's]

A lot of people seem to think so, I mean i had a guy contact me for a feature on my car. Did you?

I get countless people telling me they like my car at car shows. Do you? Know your facts next time buddy.

I would really like to see a picture of so said integra. Lol

[E36slide]

Delusional.

Am I or are you ? You have yet to prove me wrong. I proved I part my car for 8k easy making your 4500 assessment under priced. 6k was more then fair.

[SHAUNvX]

I was suprised when i got asked to do a feature, Because in my eyes its not ready. I have had it for 3 1/2 years and it has come a long way from just a shell.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc276/shaunsd/018.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc276/shaunsd/007-3.jpg

Happy?

[SHAUNvX]

I know my grill fitment is shit, I cant get it to fit right.

[SHAUNvX]

And sinfix if you want to appraise my car go ahead, Its not for sale so i dont care lol:taun::2up:

[nelson9995]

clean teg shaun. I like!

[Sinfix_15]

And sinfix if you want to appraise my car go ahead, Its not for sale so i dont care lol:taun::2up:

I'm a little pressed for time at the moment, but i will do that later tonight. I do like the car though. Post the stats, year/miles/unseen mods.

[SHAUNvX]

clean teg shaun. I like!


I'm a little pressed for time at the moment, but i will do that later tonight. I do like the car though. Post the stats, year/miles/unseen mods.
Thanks
Its a 95 Ls 167xxx miles on the cluster but its a GSR and its been in my car since ive owned it.
Engine: B18C1, Password JDM intake, Benen Ind 3 point strut bar, Innovative motor mounts, Blox cam seal.
Susp: Funtion and Form Type 1 coilovers, F&F lower control arms with blox endlinks.
Wheels/tires: Rota Grid offroad +20 offset with yokohama S-drives
Interior: S2000 seats, NRG quick release with NRG lock, MOMO Gotham steering wheel, OEM type r shift boot, Blox 24k gold shiftknob.
Its my daily, It has power steering and A/C but i gotta get that looked at, There is more mods but i cant think of them.
I want GSR rear leather seats and to get a paint job, I want thunder grey metallic. And many more mods.:ninja:

[Sinfix_15]

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc276/shaunsd/018.jpg

95 integra is a car that appeals to both car tuners and your avg mom just looking for a car to go to work in, so consider my low range value to be what someone unaware of mods would pay for it and my high range to be what someone who appreciates the modification would pay for it.

The mileage is a little below avg from what you would expect for a car of that year. The engine swap adds value. The front end swap adds value to a particular buyer but not all buyers. I am somewhat stating my own person opinion here, but i dont like one integra front end better than the other. To the right person, the front end conversion adds significant value to the car. The wheels are a bit off the beaten path of what is commonly selected for an integra but they do appear to be in great condition and will probably add value for anyone interested in the car. Judging from what you said, i assume the air conditioning isnt working which is a serious value killer. The car would be more valuable if it were 1 solid color. The hood would be acceptable to most people and maybe even viewed as a value increase to some, it's a neutral modification in my opinion, does not help or hurt value. The wing is the deciding factor on what makes this car's overall appearance seem mature or immature to me. The hood and aggressive wheels are acceptable, the wing starts to tip the scale towards immature. Since that is cheap and easy fix, it doesnt help or hurt value, just slightly decreases the overall appearance of the car. I would be happy to own this vehicle.

Overall - on a scale of 1-10 of what i expect to see when looking at a 95 integra, this car falls somewhere between a 8-9, but the things that irk me are very small and easily fixed. The car is eye catching and attractive overall.
Body - 9/10, the grille needs to be corrected and the car needs to be 1 solid color, with maybe an exception to the hood. The body is straight and in good condition. The conversion appears to be done well.
wheels - 8/10, great condition mid/low priced wheel, but maybe a bit too aggressive for some people's taste.
engine - 7/10, im reducing value in this regard because i am including the AC in this section. The engine swap is a nice upgrade.
interior - ?/10 factoring in the seat's value, but i have no picture of interior to base my opinion.

Low range value $3500 High range value $4750

[SHAUNvX]

Yea im gonna lose the wing and hood, Get OEM ones and then paint the car 1 color. The A/C is all there but i gotta take it to a shop, That deals with the problem im having with it. And yea i was 16 when i got the wing lol. My interior isnt anything worth looking at lol, I need new carpet, Floor mats, Rear seats, GSR door panels and i want to get a double din headunit.

[Sinfix_15]

I need to ad a revision to a previous assessed value.

This car.
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/A8380923-439F-4561-A923-1F557B95EA47-2740-000002D5F99F24A7.jpg

Turns out my previous concerns with mechanical stability proved to be accurate. New assessed value of car.

Low $1700 High $2700

[E36slide]

I need to ad a revision to a previous assessed value.

This car.
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/A8380923-439F-4561-A923-1F557B95EA47-2740-000002D5F99F24A7.jpg

Turns out my previous concerns with mechanical stability proved to be accurate. New assessed value of car.

Low $1700 High $2700

Dude there is nothing wrong with the car. It's been honed compression was very good, head gasket was oem but new. All issues were minor. That's a huge insult. I could sell the shell for that.

[Catnip]

I could sell the shell for that.


LOL.

[green91]

How much for my Lotus? Has a little bit of water damage but I got most of it out.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rBHZnPKBSvE/UCvOhrlqUkI/AAAAAAAAE00/iObkaTqsEt8/s1600/1291674716m_SPLASH.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

Dude there is nothing wrong with the car. It's been honed compression was very good, head gasket was oem but new. All issues were minor. That's a huge insult. I could sell the shell for that.

You cant sell a pig shell for $2700. Also cant take your word on the engines condition. You cant price a non running car based on the sum of it's parts. You could part that car for more than $2700, doesnt mean the car as a whole is more valuable. The biggest increase of value with the car was it's potential performance, that is now the car's biggest question mark.

[E36slide]

You cant sell a pig shell for $2700. Also cant take your word on the engines condition. You cant price a non running car based on the sum of it's parts. You could part that car for more than $2700, doesnt mean the car as a whole is more valuable. The biggest increase of value with the car was it's potential performance, that is now the car's biggest question mark.

Sure; but its not even together or ready to be valued ? Your appraising a car that I'm in the middle of making it 100% better. It's not like it was horrible it just had one small idle issue and it ran a little rich. The head gasket was new just not the one I was told.


In second thought I like the idea of you appeasing it. That way I can rub it in cb7tuners face after you re appraise it after I'm done.

[Doppelgänger]

Have fun.......



I guess I can play this game-

Car- 2002 Mazda Miata SE
Miles- 145k
Title- Clean ; no leins or rebuilds
currently registered and insured

SE package for 2002 consisted of a special color- Titanium Metallic with interior Saddle Brown leather seats, door panel inserts, steering wheel and floor mats or Blaze Yellow with all black interior with a limited production run of 1491 titanium and 1000 blaze yellow. Performance/handling parts special to the SE were a 6-spd transmission as standard (option on all other trim levels) with 3.9 R&P differential with LSD, Sport Package suspension package consisting of specially valved Bilstein shock absorbers, larger brakes, larger brake master cylinder, extra chassis support bracing and a front tower brace. Power is unchanged from regular production Miatas for this year.

And my wonderful list of modifications-

Engine/Power:

-Flyin' Miata FMII turbo kit*
*Garrett 2560R ball bearing turbo
*1-piece silicone charge pipes
*upgraded intercooler
*Hydra Nemesis Standalone ECU
*RC Engineering 550cc injectors
*MAF delete (Hydra uses MAP)
Flyin' Miata oil filter relocation kit
TurboXS "RFL" BOV
Hallman manual boost controller
KOYO 55mm radiator
Flyin Miata fan shroud with SPAL fans
Magnacore 8mm plug wires
Mazdaspeed oil cap
Enthuzacar 3" custom turbo-back exhaust
Powerflex polyurathane exhaust hangers
Autometer boost gauge
Rotella Synthetic oil always used
Powdercoated valvecover "City Lights" over black base


Suspension/drivetain:
Ohlins DFV Custom coilovers - 12k/8k springs
Flyin' Miata sway bars
Flyin' Miata rear "canon" brace
BeatRush rear PPF subframe brace
Carbing transmission brace
Wilwood 4-piston BBK w/11" rotors (front)
Porterfield R4-S brake pads
Goodridge stainless brake lines
ATE Superblue brake fluid
Flyin' Miata "Happy Meal" clutch w/10lb flywheel
Clutch bypass switch
stock 3.9 TorSen LSD rear-end
Flyin' Miata adjustable swaybar end links
949 Racing Aluminum lug nuts
Redline fluids in differential and transmission


Interior/exterior:
Garage Vary front nose (authentic JDM parts y0!)
Bomex Aero Mirrors (more JDM goodies)
OEM Mazdaspeed MX-5 headlights
OEM Mazdaspeed MX-5 spoiler
Spare trunk lid with APR GT-II wing
OEM/dealer option "large" side skirts
OEM/dealer option "small" rear mud flaps
Moss Motors clear side markers
VW "turbo" emblem
Mazdaspeed MX-5 rear view mirror cover
1999 Miata 10th Anniversary seats (blue alcantara inserts w/leather sides and back)
2003 Miata Sinshen Edition door panel inserts (blue to match seats)
2003 Miata SE floor mats (blue trimmed to match seats and door panels)
1999 Miata gauge faces (black as opposed to cream) with custom blue back lighting
Stock BOSE stereo with AUXMOD input
Sola shift knob
Willans 6-point harnesses
Sparco 383 steering wheel
HID headlight kit w/5k bulbs
SIRIS HID fog light w/5k bulbs (stock bumper)
Rewired OEM foglights for independant operation
BossFrog Double Maxx rollbar with SFI padding and vinyl cover & seatbelt relocators
BossFrog harness bar
I.L. Motorsport L.E.D. clear 3rd brake light
Delan hidden hitch
Black-chrome license plate frame
Nautilus horn


Wheels/tires (current):


-17x7.5 +37 SSR C-RS with 215-40/17 Federal 595RS tires (street)


-17x7.5 +45 Rota SubZero with 215-40/17 Kumho V710 (track)



The good- Car is a daily driver and is kept in top condition. I maintain the car myself and stay on top of all issues. I have driven the car cross-country with no problems and would do without second-guessing. All parts used are quality parts. A/c was serviced last summer is blows great. The car was tuned by Ed at Balanced Performance when I first got it and I have not really messed with the tune since. It dyno'd 250rwhp @ 11psi. I have since slowly turned the boost up to 14psi as the Hydra has an autotune/learn function that compensates for small changes (datalogging shows spot-on AFRs, no detonation and safe timing settings). I'd estimate the car is making between 270 and 280 rwhp. Everything on the car works properly for the most part*

*The "issues"- Well, not really all that bad. Mostly pertaining to running on a full stand-alone ECU. First off- it will not pass OBD-II emissions without having to swap the fuel injectors, MAF sensor, and plug in the stock ECU. Cold starts in the morning require the car to be turned over 2 times...every time. So it's a little hard to start. Also relating to the Hydra is the idle with A/C on- it fluctuates and can stall of not monitored. No problems while the car is moving though...a/c works great. I will be working on the a/c idle soon though. The headunit- when I was installing the AuxMod, the faceplate separated from the unit when I was pulling it out. While the radio still works (I only use the aux input), the display does not usually display any information/time, the backlight function of the headunit is also not working...so when driving at night, it's all dark...but I kinda like this because the cabin is so small the extra darkness is appreciated. I will be replacing the headunit soon though and plan to wire in a "night panel" switch like what SAAB has so I can choose to turn off the backlight of the radio and HVAC. Lastly, the car has been involved in two small incidents resulting in insurance claim and trips to the body shop. First was a piece of road debris that hit the passenger door and required light body work and the passenger side of the car to be repainted as well as having the windshield replaced with new OEM glass (no aftermarket crap with a tint strip). This was done at Magnum Collision in Marietta Georgia, a very highly rated body shop. The second, (about a year later) was a light brush from a woman in a Mercedes on the driver's side. This was also just cosmetic damage. The insurance company wanted to fix the doorskin and fender, but I opted to make sure both panels were replaced with Mazda OEM parts. I also payed to have the hood completely refinished (sanded down and repainted to eliminate ALL rock-chips from over the years) at this time. I have pictures and all paperwork involved with both incidents that can be provided.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2776/4322989114_1146dc4934_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/4322989114/)
Ready to pounce.... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/4322989114/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8292/7504150256_617b96d9c3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/7504150256/)
View of Atlanta (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/7504150256/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

engine bay before powdercoating valvecover

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2899/2401/32246200099_large.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8046/8076767390_8dd9252693_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/8076767390/)
IMG_0919 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/8076767390/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6439863585_53ef3079ff_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6439863585/)
Miata_interior_1280x800 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6439863585/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5011/5465092319_b1068f3acc_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/5465092319/)
The cockpit... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/5465092319/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6635865493_de79d7e615_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6635865493/)
Enkei NT03+M (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6635865493/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr


w/Stock front bumper

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3446/3992179696_aa3ca5ce69_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/3992179696/)
Playing around theTerminus building (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/3992179696/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

[Doppelgänger]

BTW Sin...how much "cleaning up" would you like me to perform?

[Skorcher]

Have fun.......



I guess I can play this game-

Car- 2002 Mazda Miata SE
Miles- 145k
Title- Clean ; no leins or rebuilds
currently registered and insured

etc etc



I'll give you $4k for it. :taun:

[Sinfix_15]

my oh my...... i'm gonna need a minute on that beautiful miata. probably dive on that one when i get home

[Sinfix_15]

BTW Sin...how much "cleaning up" would you like me to perform?

Get rid of everything that doesnt have someone's car in it if you dont mind. much appreciated.

[E36slide]

Have fun.......



I guess I can play this game-

Car- 2002 Mazda Miata SE
Miles- 145k
Title- Clean ; no leins or rebuilds
currently registered and insured

SE package for 2002 consisted of a special color- Titanium Metallic with interior Saddle Brown leather seats, door panel inserts, steering wheel and floor mats or Blaze Yellow with all black interior with a limited production run of 1491 titanium and 1000 blaze yellow. Performance/handling parts special to the SE were a 6-spd transmission as standard (option on all other trim levels) with 3.9 R&P differential with LSD, Sport Package suspension package consisting of specially valved Bilstein shock absorbers, larger brakes, larger brake master cylinder, extra chassis support bracing and a front tower brace. Power is unchanged from regular production Miatas for this year.

And my wonderful list of modifications-

Engine/Power:

-Flyin' Miata FMII turbo kit*
*Garrett 2560R ball bearing turbo
*1-piece silicone charge pipes
*upgraded intercooler
*Hydra Nemesis Standalone ECU
*RC Engineering 550cc injectors
*MAF delete (Hydra uses MAP)
Flyin' Miata oil filter relocation kit
TurboXS "RFL" BOV
Hallman manual boost controller
KOYO 55mm radiator
Flyin Miata fan shroud with SPAL fans
Magnacore 8mm plug wires
Mazdaspeed oil cap
Enthuzacar 3" custom turbo-back exhaust
Powerflex polyurathane exhaust hangers
Autometer boost gauge
Rotella Synthetic oil always used
Powdercoated valvecover "City Lights" over black base


Suspension/drivetain:
Ohlins DFV Custom coilovers - 12k/8k springs
Flyin' Miata sway bars
Flyin' Miata rear "canon" brace
BeatRush rear PPF subframe brace
Carbing transmission brace
Wilwood 4-piston BBK w/11" rotors (front)
Porterfield R4-S brake pads
Goodridge stainless brake lines
ATE Superblue brake fluid
Flyin' Miata "Happy Meal" clutch w/10lb flywheel
Clutch bypass switch
stock 3.9 TorSen LSD rear-end
Flyin' Miata adjustable swaybar end links
949 Racing Aluminum lug nuts
Redline fluids in differential and transmission


Interior/exterior:
Garage Vary front nose (authentic JDM parts y0!)
Bomex Aero Mirrors (more JDM goodies)
OEM Mazdaspeed MX-5 headlights
OEM Mazdaspeed MX-5 spoiler
Spare trunk lid with APR GT-II wing
OEM/dealer option "large" side skirts
OEM/dealer option "small" rear mud flaps
Moss Motors clear side markers
VW "turbo" emblem
Mazdaspeed MX-5 rear view mirror cover
1999 Miata 10th Anniversary seats (blue alcantara inserts w/leather sides and back)
2003 Miata Sinshen Edition door panel inserts (blue to match seats)
2003 Miata SE floor mats (blue trimmed to match seats and door panels)
1999 Miata gauge faces (black as opposed to cream) with custom blue back lighting
Stock BOSE stereo with AUXMOD input
Sola shift knob
Willans 6-point harnesses
Sparco 383 steering wheel
HID headlight kit w/5k bulbs
SIRIS HID fog light w/5k bulbs (stock bumper)
Rewired OEM foglights for independant operation
BossFrog Double Maxx rollbar with SFI padding and vinyl cover & seatbelt relocators
BossFrog harness bar
I.L. Motorsport L.E.D. clear 3rd brake light
Delan hidden hitch
Black-chrome license plate frame
Nautilus horn


Wheels/tires (current):


-17x7.5 +37 SSR C-RS with 215-40/17 Federal 595RS tires (street)


-17x7.5 +45 Rota SubZero with 215-40/17 Kumho V710 (track)



The good- Car is a daily driver and is kept in top condition. I maintain the car myself and stay on top of all issues. I have driven the car cross-country with no problems and would do without second-guessing. All parts used are quality parts. A/c was serviced last summer is blows great. The car was tuned by Ed at Balanced Performance when I first got it and I have not really messed with the tune since. It dyno'd 250rwhp @ 11psi. I have since slowly turned the boost up to 14psi as the Hydra has an autotune/learn function that compensates for small changes (datalogging shows spot-on AFRs, no detonation and safe timing settings). I'd estimate the car is making between 270 and 280 rwhp. Everything on the car works properly for the most part*

*The "issues"- Well, not really all that bad. Mostly pertaining to running on a full stand-alone ECU. First off- it will not pass OBD-II emissions without having to swap the fuel injectors, MAF sensor, and plug in the stock ECU. Cold starts in the morning require the car to be turned over 2 times...every time. So it's a little hard to start. Also relating to the Hydra is the idle with A/C on- it fluctuates and can stall of not monitored. No problems while the car is moving though...a/c works great. I will be working on the a/c idle soon though. The headunit- when I was installing the AuxMod, the faceplate separated from the unit when I was pulling it out. While the radio still works (I only use the aux input), the display does not usually display any information/time, the backlight function of the headunit is also not working...so when driving at night, it's all dark...but I kinda like this because the cabin is so small the extra darkness is appreciated. I will be replacing the headunit soon though and plan to wire in a "night panel" switch like what SAAB has so I can choose to turn off the backlight of the radio and HVAC. Lastly, the car has been involved in two small incidents resulting in insurance claim and trips to the body shop. First was a piece of road debris that hit the passenger door and required light body work and the passenger side of the car to be repainted as well as having the windshield replaced with new OEM glass (no aftermarket crap with a tint strip). This was done at Magnum Collision in Marietta Georgia, a very highly rated body shop. The second, (about a year later) was a light brush from a woman in a Mercedes on the driver's side. This was also just cosmetic damage. The insurance company wanted to fix the doorskin and fender, but I opted to make sure both panels were replaced with Mazda OEM parts. I also payed to have the hood completely refinished (sanded down and repainted to eliminate ALL rock-chips from over the years) at this time. I have pictures and all paperwork involved with both incidents that can be provided.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2776/4322989114_1146dc4934_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/4322989114/)
Ready to pounce.... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/4322989114/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8292/7504150256_617b96d9c3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/7504150256/)
View of Atlanta (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/7504150256/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

engine bay before powdercoating valvecover

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2899/2401/32246200099_large.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8046/8076767390_8dd9252693_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/8076767390/)
IMG_0919 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/8076767390/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6439863585_53ef3079ff_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6439863585/)
Miata_interior_1280x800 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6439863585/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5011/5465092319_b1068f3acc_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/5465092319/)
The cockpit... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/5465092319/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6635865493_de79d7e615_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6635865493/)
Enkei NT03+M (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6635865493/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr


w/Stock front bumper

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3446/3992179696_aa3ca5ce69_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/3992179696/)
Playing around theTerminus building (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/3992179696/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on Flickr

Just by going off most of the parts listed not taking into consideration the time spent. I would say around 10-12k. The parts are well thought out and very descriptive. I wish all fs threads looked like this.

[Echonova]

Just the Ohlins coilovers are worth more than my entire Miata. LOL


















































FML :(

[Sinfix_15]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8292/7504150256_617b96d9c3_b.jpg

This is the hardest type of car to value, because it's value is simply "what someone's willing to pay for it". Miata has a cult following so it's definitely a car that people desire. This particular car is exceptional. I am going to have to try very hard to find something to criticize about it. Probably the best Miata i have ever seen period. If Jay Leno wakes up tomorrow and says " i need a Miata in my collection today ", this is the type of car his agent would seek out to buy.

On a scale of 1-10 on what i expect when i look at a Miata, this car is a 12. The only "negative" i can point at is the mileage. At a glance this car is so pristine that you would assume it's a garage baby with 2-3k miles, so when you hear 145k, it sticks out at you a little bit, but with that said.... a Miata is a Miata, it's not a 65 mustang. It's a driver car, its meant to be driven and it has. The blue interior ever so slightly takes away from the appearance simply because it's a personalized color choice. I feel the same about the colored valve cover. Both of these criticisms come with me TRYING to find something to critique about this car.

Body/Appearance - Stunning to look at from every angle. From front to back, left to right, up down... every aspect of this car flows and looks fantastic. Every body panel mates perfectly with the next. It's simplicity at it's finest. The modifications that are done do not look like modifications, they look like they were meant to be there, as they should. Based on expectations of a Miata, this one breaks the scale. 10***/10.

Engine - Nothing i can point to on the entire car would signal me to have any concerns what so ever about the mechanical stability of this car. It has high end expensive performance modifications everywhere you look. All signs pointing to the fact that no corners were cut building this car. Even factoring in the miles, i cant grade this drivetrain lower than a 10/10.

Suspension/wheels - Same as the engine, high end expensive modifications, no corners cut. The type of person looking to spend big money on a Miata is going to appreciate the quality of suspension modifications since as i said before, a Miata is a driver's car. It's status in the auto community is based on its road prowess. Anything to accentuate that aspect of the vehicle is a plus. High end wheels in perfect condition are a easy increase in value. 10/10.

Interior - The inside of this car is as elegant as you would expect it to be based on everything you see on the outside. Very small criticism on the blue since that is somewhat of a personalization. Not enough to detract from the car's value, but is one area where potential value could be increased. 10/10


Value assessment - When you start adding up the sum of its parts it's mind blowing. There's still a large market for Miatas and there's still people who walk onto car lots and pay $20k for a stock used Miata. There's not a doubt in my mind that if this Miata was sitting on a car lot beside the 2008-2010s that some people would chose this car over those cars. It's everything you could want in a Miata and more.... with that said.... it's still a 2002 and it still has 145k miles. Unlike Mustangs, i dont think Miatas are getting cooler with age. Fortunately for this Miata, it's still as cool as any Miata on the market, including the ones sitting on the showroom floor.

Price - Low range $12.5k High range $16k With that said, no price would surprise me. I'd love to see this car in an auction format. It's a car everyone SHOULD like and on the right impulse it could bring a staggering price.

[.blank cd]

Enkei NT03+M (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268211@N02/6635865493/) by AnonymousNamelss (http://www.flickr.com/people/30268211@N02/), on FlickrWhat size were these NT03's?

[Sinfix_15]

In an attempt to jump start this thread back again. This is not an attempt to insult people or be funny..... if you want to put your car under the microscope with someone who is opinionated and highly critical, i will give you my honest opinion. Wont try to be nice or mean to you and will tell you exactly what i think. I am a critical asshole. If something is wrong, i wont shy away from mentioning it. People who are potentially buying your car are going to look for things wrong with it, you already know they like it.... otherwise they wouldnt be looking at it to begin with, but when they come to buy it... theyre going to critique and try to bargain. Be prepared for this exchange. I dont think my opinion is any greater than anyone elses and it is just that, my opinion. However, i am offering it to you if you want it.

[Sol-Badguy]

I'm still trying to figure out the JB Weld in the BOV mount on the 240. :D

[Doppelgänger]

What size were these NT03's?

17x7.5" +45





Sin- will get back to you in a few.

[l Gizzy l]

In an attempt to jump start this thread back again. This is not an attempt to insult people or be funny..... if you want to put your car under the microscope with someone who is opinionated and highly critical, i will give you my honest opinion. Wont try to be nice or mean to you and will tell you exactly what i think. I am a critical asshole. If something is wrong, i wont shy away from mentioning it. People who are potentially buying your car are going to look for things wrong with it, you already know they like it.... otherwise they wouldnt be looking at it to begin with, but when they come to buy it... theyre going to critique and try to bargain. Be prepared for this exchange. I dont think my opinion is any greater than anyone elses and it is just that, my opinion. However, i am offering it to you if you want it.

Hell, I'll do it.

lemme get some pictures

[l Gizzy l]

2004 Silverstone Nissan 350z Touring 6MT Coupe
92k miles

Exterior:
XXR 006 18x8.5/9.5 +36
20mm bolt on spacers all the way around
Tein S-Tech Springs
BFG KDW2/NT Tires 245/45/18 275/35/18
Windows Tinted 15%
LED License Plate Lights
LED Parking Lights in headlights
6000k HID headlights (Upgraded from stock 4300k)
Shorty Antenna
Clear Front Reflectors

Interior:
Pioneer 2300 AVH-DVD 5.9" Touch Screen Head Unit
10" dB Drive Sub in Zenclosure Box
1500 watt dB Drive Amp
LED interior lights

Performance:
Nismo CAI with hydroshield
Nismo Replica Cat-Back


All maintenance up to date, oil changed every 4,000 with Full synthetic. Only nissan service parts used. Diff/Transmission just flushed at 90,000.

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/Itz_Gizzy/IMAG0169.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/Itz_Gizzy/IMAG0126.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/Itz_Gizzy/image_zps191d924c.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/Itz_Gizzy/image_zps50dccc52.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/Itz_Gizzy/Photo0493.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/Itz_Gizzy/Photo0332.jpg


lmk if ya need more pictures brohan

[Doppelgänger]

This is the hardest type of car to value, because it's value is simply "what someone's willing to pay for it". Miata has a cult following so it's definitely a car that people desire. This particular car is exceptional. I am going to have to try very hard to find something to criticize about it. Probably the best Miata i have ever seen period. If Jay Leno wakes up tomorrow and says " i need a Miata in my collection today ", this is the type of car his agent would seek out to buy.

On a scale of 1-10 on what i expect when i look at a Miata, this car is a 12. The only "negative" i can point at is the mileage. At a glance this car is so pristine that you would assume it's a garage baby with 2-3k miles, so when you hear 145k, it sticks out at you a little bit, but with that said.... a Miata is a Miata, it's not a 65 mustang. It's a driver car, its meant to be driven and it has. The blue interior ever so slightly takes away from the appearance simply because it's a personalized color choice. I feel the same about the colored valve cover. Both of these criticisms come with me TRYING to find something to critique about this car.

Body/Appearance - Stunning to look at from every angle. From front to back, left to right, up down... every aspect of this car flows and looks fantastic. Every body panel mates perfectly with the next. It's simplicity at it's finest. The modifications that are done do not look like modifications, they look like they were meant to be there, as they should. Based on expectations of a Miata, this one breaks the scale. 10***/10.

Engine - Nothing i can point to on the entire car would signal me to have any concerns what so ever about the mechanical stability of this car. It has high end expensive performance modifications everywhere you look. All signs pointing to the fact that no corners were cut building this car. Even factoring in the miles, i cant grade this drivetrain lower than a 10/10.

Suspension/wheels - Same as the engine, high end expensive modifications, no corners cut. The type of person looking to spend big money on a Miata is going to appreciate the quality of suspension modifications since as i said before, a Miata is a driver's car. It's status in the auto community is based on its road prowess. Anything to accentuate that aspect of the vehicle is a plus. High end wheels in perfect condition are a easy increase in value. 10/10.

Interior - The inside of this car is as elegant as you would expect it to be based on everything you see on the outside. Very small criticism on the blue since that is somewhat of a personalization. Not enough to detract from the car's value, but is one area where potential value could be increased. 10/10


Value assessment - When you start adding up the sum of its parts it's mind blowing. There's still a large market for Miatas and there's still people who walk onto car lots and pay $20k for a stock used Miata. There's not a doubt in my mind that if this Miata was sitting on a car lot beside the 2008-2010s that some people would chose this car over those cars. It's everything you could want in a Miata and more.... with that said.... it's still a 2002 and it still has 145k miles. Unlike Mustangs, i dont think Miatas are getting cooler with age. Fortunately for this Miata, it's still as cool as any Miata on the market, including the ones sitting on the showroom floor.

Price - Low range $12.5k High range $16k With that said, no price would surprise me. I'd love to see this car in an auction format. It's a car everyone SHOULD like and on the right impulse it could bring a staggering price.


Well thank you very much Sir for the kind words. Like you've said, it's a driver's car and I have taken advantage to enjoy the car as much as possible. There are very few Miatas worth turning into garage queens- one like the test color cars that were releaed in 1990 where each one was a custom color that Mazda thought about producing but never did. They are one-off and documented cars. Other than those, unless someone has a particularly low VIN of any of the Special Edition cars with lo miles, they're all just Miatas in the end. Mazda never really had anything too special with the Miatas though.

I guess the only "dispute" I could have with your appraisal would be about the seats. Here is my insight as to why I chose the path I did. Since they are OEM seats from a 1999 Miata Anniversary Edition, which are fairly sought out by Miata enthusiasts because of their color and interior, they would be fairly easy to attain and be recognized by and Miata enthuziast. I've heard of people loving and hating both interiors- the AE interior and the 02SE Saddle interior. Personally, I hate leather seats and wasn't the biggest fan of the brown, but I did not want to mess with aftermarket seats because very few of them fit properly and look right in the car. About the nicest non-Miata seat I've seen used in Miatas are from the Elise, but those are kind of expensive and require custom seat brackets. So I thought the AE blue/black seats would be a nice compromise and not clash with the exterior color of the car too much...and I could kinda color match other bits to them for a fairly OEM look. There were also solid blue cloth seats on the 2003 Shinsen (oddly enough, it is also Titanium Metallic), but I feel it would have been just a bit too much blue, thought I've thought about seeing out a pair and trying them out. The 2003 Shinsen Edition had the blue door panel inserts that I ended up using.

Stock 02SE interior-
http://photos.ecarlist.com/YB/17/nO/3H/bG/3B/0m/wJ/aL/5G/0w_800.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g87/clubmed06/Miata011.jpg


1999 Anniversary Interior
http://bsudiro.smugmug.com/Cars/99Miata4Sale/i-L9HLfFc/0/L/BIS_Miata_Nikon%20D200_091210_0160-L.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/StatixNWH/My%20cars/4094320383_e31fcae0bd_bMedium.jpg

2003 Shinsen interior
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4062/4643255981_f4e6a554a7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lostbob/4643255981/)
Interior 2003 Shinsen Miata (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lostbob/4643255981/) by LostBob Photos (http://www.flickr.com/people/lostbob/), on Flickr

And mine when not trying to look all artsy lol
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l281/teamFBG/IMG_4076.jpg


In the end, I wanted to use OEM parts that I thought would blend well together. As for the valvecover- yeah, it doesn't quite "match"...but that was the point...it's where the car gets to show its party side lol. But it's something that is small and easy to change if need be. I didn't want to be traditional with it and go with polished or black wrinkle. It's like the woman in the serious business suit who bends over and you catch a peek of a bight blue thong hahaha.

[Sinfix_15]

Well thank you very much Sir for the kind words. Like you've said, it's a driver's car and I have taken advantage to enjoy the car as much as possible. There are very few Miatas worth turning into garage queens- one like the test color cars that were releaed in 1990 where each one was a custom color that Mazda thought about producing but never did. They are one-off and documented cars. Other than those, unless someone has a particularly low VIN of any of the Special Edition cars with lo miles, they're all just Miatas in the end. Mazda never really had anything too special with the Miatas though.

I guess the only "dispute" I could have with your appraisal would be about the seats. Here is my insight as to why I chose the path I did. Since they are OEM seats from a 1999 Miata Anniversary Edition, which are fairly sought out by Miata enthusiasts because of their color and interior, they would be fairly easy to attain and be recognized by and Miata enthuziast. I've heard of people loving and hating both interiors- the AE interior and the 02SE Saddle interior. Personally, I hate leather seats and wasn't the biggest fan of the brown, but I did not want to mess with aftermarket seats because very few of them fit properly and look right in the car. About the nicest non-Miata seat I've seen used in Miatas are from the Elise, but those are kind of expensive and require custom seat brackets. So I thought the AE blue/black seats would be a nice compromise and not clash with the exterior color of the car too much...and I could kinda color match other bits to them for a fairly OEM look. There were also solid blue cloth seats on the 2003 Shinsen (oddly enough, it is also Titanium Metallic), but I feel it would have been just a bit too much blue, thought I've thought about seeing out a pair and trying them out. The 2003 Shinsen Edition had the blue door panel inserts that I ended up using.

Stock 02SE interior-
http://photos.ecarlist.com/YB/17/nO/3H/bG/3B/0m/wJ/aL/5G/0w_800.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g87/clubmed06/Miata011.jpg


1999 Anniversary Interior
http://bsudiro.smugmug.com/Cars/99Miata4Sale/i-L9HLfFc/0/L/BIS_Miata_Nikon%20D200_091210_0160-L.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/StatixNWH/My%20cars/4094320383_e31fcae0bd_bMedium.jpg

2003 Shinsen interior
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4062/4643255981_f4e6a554a7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lostbob/4643255981/)
Interior 2003 Shinsen Miata (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lostbob/4643255981/) by LostBob Photos (http://www.flickr.com/people/lostbob/), on Flickr

And mine when not trying to look all artsy lol
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l281/teamFBG/IMG_4076.jpg


In the end, I wanted to use OEM parts that I thought would blend well together. As for the valvecover- yeah, it doesn't quite "match"...but that was the point...it's where the car gets to show its party side lol. But it's something that is small and easy to change if need be. I didn't want to be traditional with it and go with polished or black wrinkle. It's like the woman in the serious business suit who bends over and you catch a peek of a bight blue thong hahaha.

That does change my perspective on the seats. With the blue, it wasnt me saying i didnt like them, saying someone might not like them. Trying to value this car based on the best potential buyer, someone with big money to spend and high end tastes. An "off" color would annoy that type of buyer. I was unaware that blue/silver was a factory matched combo, but that completely deletes my criticism since it is.

[Doppelgänger]

Oh I understood exactly what you were saying :)
I also knew you probably didn't know these obscure details of the Miata production world and was providing you with said details so you could file them with "things I have learned today" lol

[Sinfix_15]

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/Itz_Gizzy/Photo0493.jpg

This one i am mostly going to defer to KBB since it's for the most part stock. I do see a few areas to offer insight on. condition wise this car is exactly what i expect if i'm looking for a 350z. The mileage is a little bit over where i would hope to find it for that year, but nothing worthy of concern. Overall appearance of the car is good. I'm not in love with the wheel selection and will comment further on that.

Body/appearance - Good color, paint and body are in good condition. Exactly what you would expect from the year/make. The stickers detract from value but are easily removed. Factory trim is all well maintained and the car looks exactly as it should. 9.9/10

Interior - Stereo is a nice touch but the exposed speaker is a bit of an eye sore. I know a lot of stereo enthusiasts put their speakers on display, but this isnt a passion everyone shares. The most common opinion towards stereo would be that theyre better heard than seen. Some speakers with a more neutral appearance arent as eye catching when exposed, but those particular ones with the red ring are noticeable. Easy fix, a cover for the speaker to give it a more factory finish would be a small improvement. Aside from that, the stereo fit and finish appears to be nice and subtle. You have a high quality head unit and components, it adds to value. 9.7/10

Engine - Need pics, will assume it's as expected.

Wheels/suspension - Springs are a value increase but not a major one. With the wheels, they look good, but they are a downgrade in value. I am a big XXR advocate and love their wheels, but in this particular case there is a couple of issues with the selection. Most importantly, they dont fit. The biggest reason NOT to buy XXRs is fitment. If XXR makes a wheel that fits your car precisely, no reason not to save money and buy them. A 350z is somewhat of a collector car, so any modification that you do to it that is not a clear improvement over factory is a downgrade. The touring wheels are 18x8.5, you replaced them with an 18x8.5 and incorporated a 20mm spacer. If you've noticed a trend with my grading, personalization is NOT a value increase. If you put the stock wheels back on the car it would retain more of it's value. Not saying you *should* do that, your car should look how YOU want it to look, but when youre selling it, it needs to look how the buyer wants it to look and most buyers will want the factory wheels over XXRs. 350z is a premium sports car, it has premium factory wheels. 7.5/10

Price assessment - All things considered, this car is mostly stock and in great condition. It has some modifications but none i would say are significant value INCREASES.... This car should retain it's market value and sell for exactly what it's worth.

Low range - 10.5k High range 11.5k

[l Gizzy l]

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/Itz_Gizzy/Photo0493.jpg

This one i am mostly going to defer to KBB since it's for the most part stock. I do see a few areas to offer insight on. condition wise this car is exactly what i expect if i'm looking for a 350z. The mileage is a little bit over where i would hope to find it for that year, but nothing worthy of concern. Overall appearance of the car is good. I'm not in love with the wheel selection and will comment further on that.

Body/appearance - Good color, paint and body are in good condition. Exactly what you would expect from the year/make. The stickers detract from value but are easily removed. Factory trim is all well maintained and the car looks exactly as it should. 9.9/10

Interior - Stereo is a nice touch but the exposed speaker is a bit of an eye sore. I know a lot of stereo enthusiasts put their speakers on display, but this isnt a passion everyone shares. The most common opinion towards stereo would be that theyre better heard than seen. Some speakers with a more neutral appearance arent as eye catching when exposed, but those particular ones with the red ring are noticeable. Easy fix, a cover for the speaker to give it a more factory finish would be a small improvement. Aside from that, the stereo fit and finish appears to be nice and subtle. You have a high quality head unit and components, it adds to value. 9.7/10

Engine - Need pics, will assume it's as expected.

Wheels/suspension - Springs are a value increase but not a major one. With the wheels, they look good, but they are a downgrade in value. I am a big XXR advocate and love their wheels, but in this particular case there is a couple of issues with the selection. Most importantly, they dont fit. The biggest reason NOT to buy XXRs is fitment. If XXR makes a wheel that fits your car precisely, no reason not to save money and buy them. A 350z is somewhat of a collector car, so any modification that you do to it that is not a clear improvement over factory is a downgrade. The touring wheels are 18x8.5, you replaced them with an 18x8.5 and incorporated a 20mm spacer. If you've noticed a trend with my grading, personalization is NOT a value increase. If you put the stock wheels back on the car it would retain more of it's value. Not saying you *should* do that, your car should look how YOU want it to look, but when youre selling it, it needs to look how the buyer wants it to look and most buyers will want the factory wheels over XXRs. 350z is a premium sports car, it has premium factory wheels. 7.5/10

Price assessment - All things considered, this car is mostly stock and in great condition. It has some modifications but none i would say are significant value INCREASES.... This car should retain it's market value and sell for exactly what it's worth.

Low range - 10.5k High range 11.5k

excellent. Thank you sir.

Wheels were already on it. Not my choice xD

[l Gizzy l]

And to further add, Stickers are no longer on the car, and speaker cover is coming. Just hard to place a sub in such a small vehicle.

[.blank cd]

Hmmm. I think I wanna play. I'll get some pics later.

[Doppelgänger]

Sin- IIRC the average miles/year used to be 12k, but leasing and financing companies use 15k a year and the "new" average is like 15-18k. So a 2004 with "average" miles seems about spot-on, or a little low, around 92k.

[l Gizzy l]

Sin- IIRC the average miles/year used to be 12k, but leasing and financing companies use 15k a year and the "new" average is like 15-18k. So a 2004 with "average" miles seems about spot-on, or a little low, around 92k.

correct, was REALLY low at 56 when I bought it in 2011, but I put 35k miles on it in 2 years. Still "low" miles, though.

Seems high to most, though because its getting close to that scary 100k mile mark.

But his value seems extremely fair to me. I like this thread.

[Catnip]

I should write out a description for the Mercedes

[Sinfix_15]

I should write out a description for the Mercedes

Now that would be challenging.

[Echonova]

And to further add, Stickers are no longer on the car, and speaker cover is coming. Just hard to place a sub in such a small vehicle.I've got a 10" sub in my Miata... and still made a week long trip to bury my Grandmother with my daughter.



Shut your face about space.

















Hey, that rhymes.


BTW: I'm unhappy with the mileage on said Miata. Have had to take several long distance trips in it lately. Frickin' '94 with 104k.

I'm disgusted with myself.

[l Gizzy l]

I've got a 10" sub in my Miata... and still made a week long trip to bury my Grandmother with my daughter.

Shut your face about space.

Hey, that rhymes.

BTW: I'm unhappy with the mileage on said Miata. Have had to take several long distance trips in it lately. Frickin' '94 with 104k.

I'm disgusted with myself.

that is disgusting.....

The miata gods would be displeased.

Wait.......

[Doppelgänger]

Hey Echo.....Jenn and I took my car on a nearly 2-week trip from here to the Flyin' Miata Summer Camp in 2009...and we made a few stops along the way. Google miles is well under what I actually put on the car with all the extra driving around we did at each destination....it was more like 6k+ miles. Oh and this is with all of our luggage, cameras and laptop computers in the car. Come at me Bra.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l281/teamFBG/trip.jpg







BTW- You been keepin' Little Red Riding Hood waxed since she came home?

[E36slide]

I need to ad a revision to a previous assessed value.

This car.
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/A8380923-439F-4561-A923-1F557B95EA47-2740-000002D5F99F24A7.jpg

Turns out my previous concerns with mechanical stability proved to be accurate. New assessed value of car.

Low $1700 High $2700

I need to re re asses your value....1000

Me and the gurus are re wiring and painting the engine bay....to our surprise....cb7tuner used mother fucking speaker wire for the main wires running to the alternator. Hell half the chassis wires were speaker wires. Main power wires should be at least 10 gauge.


"I make 80k a year but can't afford tge right wires to wire up my sr"

Fucking idiot.

[Echonova]

Hey Echo.....Jenn and I took my car on a nearly 2-week trip from here to the Flyin' Miata Summer Camp in 2009...and we made a few stops along the way. Google miles is well under what I actually put on the car with all the extra driving around we did at each destination....it was more like 6k+ miles. Oh and this is with all of our luggage, cameras and laptop computers in the car. Come at me Bra.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l281/teamFBG/trip.jpg







BTW- You been keepin' Little Red Riding Hood waxed since she came home?You ever seen a 16yr old girl pack for a week long trip? You've seen the sub... Try packing around that with dress clothes. Once there, I discovered I inherited some of my Grandfather's old rifles. They rode home on the parcel shelf wrapped in clothes and bungee corded to the rollbar. LOL


About that waxing thing... Yea no. Been trying to keep it washed on a regular basis, whether it just sat in the garage two weeks or not. Took it out today to take my kids to basketball and noticed it was time for another wax job.






































When are you free?

[Sinfix_15]

I need to re re asses your value....1000

Me and the gurus are re wiring and painting the engine bay....to our surprise....cb7tuner used mother fucking speaker wire for the main wires running to the alternator. Hell half the chassis wires were speaker wires. Main power wires should be at least 10 gauge.


"I make 80k a year but can't afford tge right wires to wire up my sr"

Fucking idiot.

Link to post #640, Sinfix says " you didnt even build this car "
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/off-topic/333390-attn-e36slidesindudesbuttholes-32.html

Link to the very next post, #641 E36 replies..... "this is my old car, yes i did"
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/off-topic/333390-attn-e36slidesindudesbuttholes-33.html





So................................................ ......

Story seems a little twisted.

[E36slide]

I did the suspension that was it. I'm sure you remember it since you bashed it when I first posted it. It was blue with a shark nose ect.

It had a single cam when I gave it to him then he swapped in the sr.

Again he did the shitty sr swap that I'm fixing. So far the car is in a million pieces and is still in 100% better condition. I'm sanding the engine bay now and hitting it with etching primer it will be painted tomorrow. I'm waiting in my triple projector sil head lights. I already have a full wide body sil kit and the center garnish and brackets for the lights. Cosworth head gasket, arp studs, all new wiring, steel braided clutch line, Freddy intake manifold.

Like I said I don't make 80k a year but I can build a car better then cb7tuner.

[Catnip]

He sold a SR 240sx to a good friend of mine and it was complete shit and wasn't advertised as such.

[Echonova]

Freddy intake manifold will crack.




Just sayin' You'll have DANGER TO THE MANIFOLD!!!!!!

[Doppelgänger]

You two...don't make me edit this thread anymore.


Echo- id have no problem with ya swingin' by some time and hangin our having some beers and cleaning the car :)
Btw- all I got from your post is that you think you're a 16yr old girl lol

[Echonova]

You two...don't make me edit this thread anymore.


Echo- id have no problem with ya swingin' by some time and hangin our having some beers and cleaning the car :)
Btw- all I got from your post is that you think you're a 16yr old girl lolIt's a date then... Do you mind if my friend Chris Hansen comes along?


LOL


But seriously... We need to get together and throw a few back. Just because. Don't really care if the car gets cleaned.









































But maybe that's been my problem all along.

[Sinfix_15]

It's a date then... Do you mind if my friend Chris Hansen comes along?


LOL


But seriously... We need to get together and throw a few back. Just because. Don't really care if the car gets cleaned.









































But maybe that's been my problem all along.

Just a couple of guys who drive miatas goin on a man date, nothin gay about that.

[E36slide]

Freddy intake manifold will crack.




Just sayin' You'll have DANGER TO THE MANIFOLD!!!!!!

Well there only 130 and I got it for free in a trade so I might as well.

[E36slide]

He sold a SR 240sx to a good friend of mine and it was complete shit and wasn't advertised as such.

Who ?

[Catnip]

Who ?



cb7tuner, if I remember correctly.

[E36slide]

cb7tuner, if I remember correctly.

Yeah he made mine look clean but behind the makeup it was crap. It's all good now though. I'm addressing the issues now.

My progression with the engine bay it's a slow progress due to it being cold but it looks way better then before.
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/A986FF7E-C4BF-4E25-A350-E255D59B01DD-11193-0000098E8A5E06A3.jpg

[Echonova]

Well there only 130 and I got it for free in a trade so I might as well.Free is my favorite price. I would do it too then. Carry on.



http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/A986FF7E-C4BF-4E25-A350-E255D59B01DD-11193-0000098E8A5E06A3.jpgFYI: Looks like there is some homeless guy taking a shit next to your car.

[E36slide]

Free is my favorite price. I would do it too then. Carry on.

FYI: Looks like there is some homeless guy taking a shit next to your car.

Lol that's mike he did some work for lethal that where my car is.

[Echonova]

Lol that's mike he did some work for lethal that where my car is.Does he sell cocaine too????





























J/K. But it he does look constipated in that pic.

[Echonova]

Free is my favorite price. I would do it too then. Carry on.
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/A986FF7E-C4BF-4E25-A350-E255D59B01DD-11193-0000098E8A5E06A3.jpg

FYI: Looks like there is some homeless guy taking a shit next to your car.Best post ever.

[E36slide]

Best post ever.

Lol homeless guy taking a shit lol

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[E36slide]

Best post ever.

That looks like this minus homeless guy lol


http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/IMAG0282.jpg


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[Nismo]

Not a fan of the gold.

[E36slide]

Not a fan of the gold.

But a big fan of whales and penis.^^

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[Echonova]

Looks good to me.

[E36slide]

Looks good to me.

Thanks man

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