serrious question on integras

[rickgiblin]

ok serriously, i dont know the difference and please dont say some dumb ass remark, but whats the difference between the integra typeR and the gsr, or are they the same thing?

[HondaCRXVtec]

THE ITR IS 600LBS LIGHTER HAS 8500RPM REV VS.8,000RPM GSR. NO SUNROOF ON ITR'S TO REDUCE CHASSIE FLEX NO CRUISE CONTROLL. THE TRANSMISSION IS GEARED ALOT SHORTER TO KEEP THE REVS UP WHERE THE POWER IS. ALSO THE ITR HAS AN LSD TRANS SO BOTH WHEELS PULL EVENLY TO THE GSR'S ONE WHEEL SPIN. THE BRAKES ARE HUGE ON AN ITR. GSR'S ARENT MUCH BIGGER THAN A CIVIC DX. ALSO ITR'S HAVE LARGER CONTROLL ARMS AND 5 LUG INSTEAD OF 4 LUG. THERE IS A HUGE BRACE UNDER BACKSEAT THAT ACTS LIKE A ROLL BAR. PLUS F/R UPPER STRUT BRACES AND A REAR BODY PANEL BRACE AND MUCH LARGER SWAY BARS AND REINFORCEMENTS. THE R WILL SMOKE THE GSR IN ACCELERATING,CORNERING, BRAKING AND LEAVE YOU BREATHLESS WITH ITS NEAR PERFECT BALANCE

[rickgiblin]

thanks alot for the info, it seems like you know alot about then, what would be better for the price, i found a gsr for 7 but the cheepest itr was around 13 or 14, should i just buy the gsr and put a jackson supercharger on it, get a anti sway bar for the back adn front and just put on some bigger brakes? what would you do, i really dont wanna spend alot on a stock car, but basically do they both have about the same engine, hp? and the only difference is that the itr revs out to 8500?

[HondaCRXVtec]

The type R has 190 and the GSR has 170. If you supercharged the GSR it would blow the R away but as far as just buying a stock one the the R is better. You may save some money by getting the GSR but if you are going to do all the modding then i would settle with a GSR. ITs all up to you.

[D16Civic]

If u want to get a reliable, fun, quick car and dont want to do any modding or anything, then id say type r all the way, its a great car w/ some great honda engineering, i mean pushing 195 hp out of a 1.8 liter 4 cylinder is pretty damn awesome along w/ great handling.

However, if ur wanting to do a lot of modding, supercharger/turbo or something then i would just go w/ the gsr, still has 170 hp stock but is a little easier to work w/ when it comes to boost and it will cost u alot less even w/ mods added on, plus ive always believed type r's should stay NA since thats what they were truly made for.

Both great cars tho.

[Whatthatslame]

Type R no good for boost because of their Compression 11.1:1 against the GS-R 10.1:1

but whats alredy been said is very true... both great cars

only way to really determine what which one is what your gonna do with it...

[sir2hb]

THE ITR IS 600LBS LIGHTER HAS 8500RPM REV VS.8,000RPM GSR. NO SUNROOF ON ITR'S TO REDUCE CHASSIE FLEX NO CRUISE CONTROLL. THE TRANSMISSION IS GEARED ALOT SHORTER TO KEEP THE REVS UP WHERE THE POWER IS. ALSO THE ITR HAS AN LSD TRANS SO BOTH WHEELS PULL EVENLY TO THE GSR'S ONE WHEEL SPIN. THE BRAKES ARE HUGE ON AN ITR. GSR'S ARENT MUCH BIGGER THAN A CIVIC DX. ALSO ITR'S HAVE LARGER CONTROLL ARMS AND 5 LUG INSTEAD OF 4 LUG. THERE IS A HUGE BRACE UNDER BACKSEAT THAT ACTS LIKE A ROLL BAR. PLUS F/R UPPER STRUT BRACES AND A REAR BODY PANEL BRACE AND MUCH LARGER SWAY BARS AND REINFORCEMENTS. THE R WILL SMOKE THE GSR IN ACCELERATING,CORNERING, BRAKING AND LEAVE YOU BREATHLESS WITH ITS NEAR PERFECT BALANCE

Oh yea I got all hot and sweaty just reading it

If i were you and had the money to get the itr then I would get the ITR it is well worth it

[CHADbee]

ITR motors are also hand-built...and you know if honda had that done then they got be a kickass engine. the ITR is my dream car, i remember the first one i ever saw that pheniox yellow paint, bigass wing and that serious motor with a LSD tranny. that first sighting was back in 98 i think and 8 yrs later i still have'nt been able to afford one :( maybe in a couple years :)

[blacknightteg]

hey i got a serious question as well, i gotta rs... i know mine and the type R dont have sun roofs but is there any other similiarities between the two

[sir2hb]

yea they both are made by honda

Basicaly an ITR is a store bought race car

[D16Civic]

yea they both are made by honda
yea, thats about the only thing the same
The ITR's are actually based on the 4 door chassis if i remember right.

[RISKYB]

if you plan on modding it then i say get the gsr because it will be cheaper and by the time your done just as much fun

[JDMracer16]

i got a quick question about ITR's. I was told that CW ITR's only were made in 98 and i know that is complete BS, but i was wondering if they were made in only a select few years or 97-01? Thanx, Taylor

[USMC_is300]

juat cause i know your looking here is a bad ass gsr for sale

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-DC2-Integra-Type-R-Replica-not-GSR-LS_W0QQitemZ4595041660QQcategoryZ5335QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

http://i14.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/9c/0c/47_12.JPG

[IntegraXTR]

I go with a ITR all the way, I was about to get one about a month or so ago but ended up getting a gsr instead, trying to build it up......kinda have second thoughts now, as stated above, the ITR is better in every way including balance and power, can't go wrong with a factory built honda thats ready to run.

[A.P. Photography]

Type R no good for boost because of their Compression 11.1:1 against the GS-R 10.1:1

but whats alredy been said is very true... both great cars

only way to really determine what which one is what your gonna do with it...
That is a lie there. I know of two that are boosted and have no problems.

If you really want to get down to the differences and which one would be better to build then Talk to Mike (Vteckidd). Also he will tell you that a high compression motor can be boosted. It is all in the tuning.

[anothaRRR]

THE ITR IS 600LBS LIGHTER
I wish it was 600 lbs lighter. Its only like 80-100 lbs difference. Also the interior is different with Alcantra on the seats w/red stitches, and a few so called CF dash pieces. Larger exhaust also. That huge brace under the back seat isnt gonna act like a roll bar, how is it gonna protect you in a roll?? Its just there for protection on a side impact collision. I took mine out dont need the extra weight. The CW ITR came out in 97-98 only and in 00-01 is where they introduced the PY and FBP ITR's, they are all individually numbered. I had my stock ITR motor boosted and had no problems. The compression isnt really all the high like some people say. The ITR also has cosmetic changes over a GSR, like no side moldings, front lip, nice wing. Suspension is a little lower over the GSR so the ITR sits lower. Factory p&p head, better flowing intake manifold, etc. etc.

[speedminded]

I hope you two never post in the tech section with your knowledge...


THE ITR IS 600LBS LIGHTER HAS 8500RPM REV VS.8,000RPM GSR. NO SUNROOF ON ITR'S TO REDUCE CHASSIE FLEX NO CRUISE CONTROLL. THE TRANSMISSION IS GEARED ALOT SHORTER TO KEEP THE REVS UP WHERE THE POWER IS. ALSO THE ITR HAS AN LSD TRANS SO BOTH WHEELS PULL EVENLY TO THE GSR'S ONE WHEEL SPIN. THE BRAKES ARE HUGE ON AN ITR. GSR'S ARENT MUCH BIGGER THAN A CIVIC DX. ALSO ITR'S HAVE LARGER CONTROLL ARMS AND 5 LUG INSTEAD OF 4 LUG. THERE IS A HUGE BRACE UNDER BACKSEAT THAT ACTS LIKE A ROLL BAR. PLUS F/R UPPER STRUT BRACES AND A REAR BODY PANEL BRACE AND MUCH LARGER SWAY BARS AND REINFORCEMENTS. THE R WILL SMOKE THE GSR IN ACCELERATING,CORNERING, BRAKING AND LEAVE YOU BREATHLESS WITH ITS NEAR PERFECT BALANCE600lbs??? what the hell could you take off a honda to make it 600lbs lighter? We have two completely stripped honda challege prepped del sols and couldn't get that much weight off before the full cages...and ITR's are no where near stripped.

The rev limiter is just under 8,700 on the ITR...i think mine is 8,622 with a '98 OBD2a P73 ECU.

The brace under the seat is on the GS-R and ITR, i think it's more for safety then making the chassis rigid...i pulled mine out and saved about 30lbs.




Type R no good for boost because of their Compression 11.1:1 against the GS-R 10.1:1

but whats alredy been said is very true... both great cars

only way to really determine what which one is what your gonna do with it......tell that too anotherRRR that's running 10's in his...compression is nothing a deck plate and pistons won't fix. Overall the B18C5 is a better engine to start with but you have to pay the price for it.

[IntegraXTR]

600lb is wayyy off, even gutting your interior won't take off 600lb, but either way go get a R dude, you won't regret it, except when insurance kicks your ass.

[HondaCRXVtec]

Of course you cant lose 600 lbs but it did lose more than just 30 or 40 lbs and that was the point i was trying to prove. Plus you can not compare a del sol and integra on reducing weight cause you have a whole interior on a integra and not on a del sol. Also on the 8500 rev limit it really doesnt matter if its 8900 cause you get the most hp at 8000.

http://www.sa04.com/typer/usspecs.html

In addition the Type R has the following upgrades/changes from the GSR:

Revised high flow intake
Revised high flow exhaust
Polished and ported heads and ports, molybdenum coated piston skirts, lightweight valves, plus other engine modifications.
Lighter, stronger flywheel
Limited slip differential
Larger brakes
Revised lighter ABS system
15 in. rims shod with Bridgestone RE-010 tires
New front air damn and larger rear spoiler, combine to decrease coefficient of drag.
Short throw transmission with shorter gears for better acceleration
Front shock tower bar
Two rear stabilizer bars
Stiffened suspension, car rides about 3/4in. lower, handles tons better.
Faux Carbon Fiber instrument panel
High traction deep bolstered seats
Subtraction of 147 lbs. of un-needed items such AC, sunroof, other miscellaneous parts, and sound deadening material
Added 55 lbs. of performance enhancements.
Over 60 engine related parts which are changed or completely re-designed.
Redline bumped up to 8600 RPM

[static]

juat cause i know your looking here is a bad ass gsr for sale

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-DC2-Integra-Type-R-Replica-not-GSR-LS_W0QQitemZ4595041660QQcategoryZ5335QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

http://i14.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/9c/0c/47_12.JPG

Holy shit, you serious? 12,000 for a 94 gsr.

[vtecgsrguy]

who cares about who you beat

[vtecgsrguy]

all motor dat is????

[rickgiblin]

^^^^^ thats what im thinking about. im not really into spending alot on my cars, but i dont mind spending about 5000+car cost to beat a 35000 car

[speedminded]

ok i got a GSR... FOR $6,000 and spent another 2.000 maybe on a few partz(which shall remain nameless) and i beat a type R easy on da street & at da track.... u judge?$2k in parts but how much in labor?

[anothaRRR]

ok i got a GSR... FOR $6,000 and spent another 2.000 maybe on a few partz(which shall remain nameless) and i beat a type R easy on da street & at da track.... u judge?
Any type R?? huh? What does your car run at the track??

[Jdm94Coupe]

somebody tell me why if he could get a gsr for 7 and a ITR for 14 why would he get a ITR....if i had 14,000 i would buy a ls...go with a ITR head and itr pistons and grab another tranny if u going all motor, if not u could boost it and have thousands left to work on the suspension/interior/brakes/ and looks.......you give me 14,000 and him 14,000 let him get his type r and we'll see who has a better car in everyway.....

[speedminded]

somebody tell me why if he could get a gsr for 7 and a ITR for 14 why would he get a ITR....if i had 14,000 i would buy a ls...go with a ITR head and itr pistons and grab another tranny if u going all motor, if not u could boost it and have thousands left to work on the suspension/interior/brakes/ and looks.......you give me 14,000 and him 14,000 let him get his type r and we'll see who has a better car in everyway.....Ever heard of resale value? Case closed.

But to go on further with your idea why not just get a B16 head and save even more money...Either way you'd wanna machine and built it a little so you'll have the same amount into each but the intitial cost would be less. Port & Polish, flow test, CTR pistons, etc...

[nofive-0]

Of course you cant lose 600 lbs but it did lose more than just 30 or 40 lbs and that was the point i was trying to prove. Plus you can not compare a del sol and integra on reducing weight cause you have a whole interior on a integra and not on a del sol. Also on the 8500 rev limit it really doesnt matter if its 8900 cause you get the most hp at 8000.

http://www.sa04.com/typer/usspecs.html

In addition the Type R has the following upgrades/changes from the GSR:

Revised high flow intake
Revised high flow exhaust
Polished and ported heads and ports, molybdenum coated piston skirts, lightweight valves, plus other engine modifications.
Lighter, stronger flywheel
Limited slip differential
Larger brakes
Revised lighter ABS system
15 in. rims shod with Bridgestone RE-010 tires
New front air damn and larger rear spoiler, combine to decrease coefficient of drag.
Short throw transmission with shorter gears for better acceleration
Front shock tower bar
Two rear stabilizer bars
Stiffened suspension, car rides about 3/4in. lower, handles tons better.
Faux Carbon Fiber instrument panel
High traction deep bolstered seats
Subtraction of 147 lbs. of un-needed items such AC, sunroof, other miscellaneous parts, and sound deadening material
Added 55 lbs. of performance enhancements.
Over 60 engine related parts which are changed or completely re-designed.
Redline bumped up to 8600 RPM

Out of all that list the lsd is the only thing I see worth a damn.
get a gsr all the way. Both cars are b18's. The C5 has a lil more compression and a little better flowing head. Shortblocks are the same except for a small difference in the pistons, again for compression. If you want all motor(which I don't suggest because it is just a fad right now), rods and pistons for a compression bump >1k$ Want bigger brakes throw on some brembos, or new performance pads and rotors. GSR's stop very well as they sit. Do some suspension mods like sway bars, springs, and struts. 1500ish for some real nice shit. Anyway you cut it you will come out with a better car.

I personally have a friend that has a 01 gsr with a turbo kit that he put together. It put down 272 to the wheels after the hourish drive to mainstream (heatsoaked). Completely stock except for the turbo. Yea resale value for the type R will be better but that is just because it is a limited run car, and people tend to think if there is less of them then they must be awesome. On the ITR your payin for the name, and the wing (lol). Stock for stock the ITR is better than the GSR, slightly, but nowhere near worth how much more they are.

My .02 is turbo gsr all day long.

[anothaRRR]

My .02 is turbo gsr all day long.
Even better is a turbo ITR, hehe...

[Vteckidd]

the ITR is expensive cuase, yes its a ITR. its a limited production car, that, at the time, had some high end stuff done to it, that even today Honda/Acura cars dont have.

It has an LSD, not even the 02-04 rsx had an LSD
The intake manifold is the manifold on which Skunk2 and AEBS were copied
Cams very pretty aggresive for OEM
Valves are still THE BEST valves to run, flow the best , back cut, etc.
The valve throat is .010 wider than any other B series head=flows more
Molycoated pistons
dual valvsprings
Good OEM header/exhaust combo
5 lug and beefy suspension compared to GSR/RS/LS
better sway bars
better clutch
Better handling car stock vs stock.

now, if you are talking about a better car STOCK for STOCK 01 GSR vs 01 ITR, i would take an ITR ANYDAY over a GSR.

you guys are comparing 94-95 integras vs a much newer and better car. 01 GSRs still fetch 10-12K. 01 ITRs fetch 15-20k depending on mileage. An ITR is a limited production car, therefor its resale value is more.

My Girlfriends car is an ITR. She has the normal I/RMF Header/Exhaust/Clutch Tein Suspension/Mugen Strut bars. i drive it from time to time. its a great car, its pretty quick, handles great and has been very reliable. A gsr with similar mods would get WORKED by her car.

my .02

EDIT: USDM ITR compression is only 10.6:1. we have turboed 3 ITRs, no issues when properly tuned. JDM Compression is 11.0:1

USDM K20A2 is 11.5:1 for reference

[speedminded]

EDIT: USDM ITR compression is only 10.6:1. we have turboed 3 ITRs, no issues when properly tuned. JDM Compression is 11.0:1you sure about that compression? What's the GS-R then?

[Vteckidd]

gsr is 10.1:1, im positive

JDM GSR=180Hp 126Trq 10.6 Compression
USDM GSR=170Hp 121Trq 10.1 Compression
JDM B18C/ITR 96spec=200Hp 134Trq 11.1 Compression(JDM)
USDM B18C5=195Hp 130Trq 10.6 Compression (USDM)

[nofive-0]

So when you get your GSR and turbo it you will have so much money left over, and you will want a great tune.

So take it to ^this^ guy and let him do it.

For the sake of argument lets say you have 15K.
You buy an Itr for 15K. Your money is gone.

Or you buy a GSR for lets say 9K.

GSR+6K in mods. if you spend you money correctly you should be able to build a better car. Considering you do the work yourself. Should be a better car in most aspects.

Besides a lot of people just want an R just to say they have an R.

Again just my .02

[Vteckidd]

i agree, when you talk about BUILDING a car, in an integra Chassis, GSR would be better cause youll have more money to spend, and when your building an engine or boosting , who cares, under boost the GSR/ITR make about the same whp.

building a car is one thing. my point was that stock vs stock a ITR is a better car. hands down. you cant compare a modded GSR to a stock ITR. or vice versa

[speedminded]

gsr is 10.1:1, im positive

JDM GSR=180Hp 126Trq 10.6 Compression
USDM GSR=170Hp 121Trq 10.1 Compression
JDM B18C/ITR 96spec=200Hp 134Trq 11.1 Compression(JDM)
USDM B18C5=195Hp 130Trq 10.6 Compression (USDM)oh ok, i thought the dome top pistons put the b18c-r to 11.8 and the usdm was 11.1, oh well.

[collins]

damn, j, that would be some high ass compression for a stock motor! shiiiiii...

[{X}Echo419]

ITR=16.250
GS-R=12.700
this is based on NADA avg retail and as you all know the GS-R usually goees for more and I'm damned sure the ITR would to.
dude do you know what you can do for $3550? make it faster than a Type R that fo sho'. and as far as handling and satblity, my GS-R is "plenty stable"; on the mtn run last month I was keeping up with if not pushing cars alot faster than mine. Hell 2yrs ago I got my 94 GS-R(with 76k) for $5600 you could probally find 1 cheaper now and pocket the 7g's. just my opinioin