secession petitions filed in 20 states

[masanomi3]

Secession petitions filed on White House Web site (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/12/states-petition-obama-administration-to-secede/)

From states across the country, Americans have filed petitions on the White House Web site seeking to secede from the union and form new state governments.
While most of the petitions come from states that supported Mitt Romney in last week’s election, a few swing states and even the deep blue Northeast are represented.

Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

Good idea or Bad idea?

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Those people who want to leave the US are already free to do so. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

[bu villain]

I feel the same way about it when people said they would leave the country if Bush was elected... it's really immature

[CSquared]

If another bush gets elected... im out fo' reals.

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If another bush gets elected... im out fo' reals.

Bush did a lot of good things, he just thought it was a good idea to start a couple wars, then drop taxes.

[Echonova]

Such a stupid idea.



Edit: Secession that is.

[Andr3w]

I personally did not vote for Obama. I don't agree with some of the things he stands for and acts on, but by no means do I think we should secede from this nation.

[Elbow]

I'd let the states go then LOL.

[BanginJimmy]

Bush did a lot of good things, he just thought it was a good idea to start a couple wars, then drop taxes.


Whats really funny is the people that think the tax rates are a major driver of our debt.

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Whats really funny is the people that think the tax rates are a major driver of our debt.

But they are still a factor

You ever take a pay cut before then decide "hmm, I think I'll buy a Ferrari"?

[BanginJimmy]

But they are still a factor

You ever take a pay cut before then decide "hmm, I think I'll buy a Ferrari"?


I havent. I have also abstained from calling an 8 cent raise on a thousand dollar paycheck a windfall that will save me from financial ruin.

[Sinfix_15]

is this really happening? 25,000 signatures required officially for the president to have to address a secession petition. Texas is up to 81,000.

can this really happen?

Texas Secession Petition Racks Up More Than 80,000 Signatures, Qualifies For White House Response (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/texas-secession-petition-qualifies-for-white-house-response_n_2125159.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ncid=webmail2)

[RandomGuy]

Petition calls for stripping ?Seceders? of citizenship ? EO demanded | Opinion - Conservative (http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/11/petition-calls-for-stripping-seceders-of-citizenship-eo-demanded-2524314.html)

[stealth1]

is this really happening? 25,000 signatures required officially for the president to have to address a secession petition. Texas is up to 81,000.

can this really happen?

Texas Secession Petition Racks Up More Than 80,000 Signatures, Qualifies For White House Response (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/texas-secession-petition-qualifies-for-white-house-response_n_2125159.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ncid=webmail2)


Yea it did.....i just shook my head when i read this the other day. I guess there are a few thing that concern my. A only 34000 signatures out of the whole state and now they want to get out. Sounds like those people should just leave.

Also i guess they do not realize how much the government impacts there lives....how many military bases are then in texas, not only that but how many civilian jobs are on these bases. If you leave the union you lose those jobs along with all funding for public university as well as federal funding for schools in your state.....And they said they could run it by themselves, what military would you have NONE!!! And losing all of those goverment aids such as farmer subsides, and then loosing jobs from the civilian work for on bases. You would have little to no state income from taxes and yet they say with lower taxes it would creat jobs and that the state could substain itself.........Even the state gov. Disapprove.

[Sinfix_15]

Yea it did.....i just shook my head when i read this the other day. I guess there are a few thing that concern my. A only 34000 signatures out of the whole state and now they want to get out. Sounds like those people should just leave.

Also i guess they do not realize how much the government impacts there lives....how many military bases are then in texas, not only that but how many civilian jobs are on these bases. If you leave the union you lose those jobs along with all funding for public university as well as federal funding for schools in your state.....And they said they could run it by themselves, what military would you have NONE!!! And losing all of those goverment aids such as farmer subsides, and then loosing jobs from the civilian work for on bases. You would have little to no state income from taxes and yet they say with lower taxes it would creat jobs and that the state could substain itself.........Even the state gov. Disapprove.

it would be a lot easier to just make 1 person leave.

[stealth1]

haha....agree.....they should just give $20 to everyone that signed it and send them into mexico

[Sinfix_15]

haha....agree.....they should just give $20 to everyone that signed it and send them into mexico

I had a different idea on the 1 person who should leave.....

give him 20 trillion dollars to go to mexico... in the end it will be cheaper for us all.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/obama-clueless.jpg

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is this really happening? 25,000 signatures required officially for the president to have to address a secession petition. Texas is up to 81,000.

can this really happen?

Texas Secession Petition Racks Up More Than 80,000 Signatures, Qualifies For White House Response (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/texas-secession-petition-qualifies-for-white-house-response_n_2125159.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ncid=webmail2)

The 25k signatures is for the WH to respond to the petition, not to actually secede. Basically the WH will respond to the petition and tell the signatories the legal process to secede. Since you need an overwhelming majority of the particular states residents and state government approval, it will NEVER happen.

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...and just read that back in 1869, SCOTUS deemed that unilateral secession is unconstitutional. For more information, see Texas v. White.

Kinda goes to show just how much these people who are "unhappy" with the election results truly know about the government.

[Vteckidd]

I just love how people claim they want DEMOCRACY , we have a democratic election that clearly decides a winner, and now they want to shit all over it and leave?

how constitutional of them.

Its lame, they did this shit in 2008 too IIRC.

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I just love how people claim they want DEMOCRACY , we have a democratic election that clearly decides a winner, and now they want to shit all over it and leave?

how constitutional of them.

Its lame, they did this shit in 2008 too IIRC.

They don't want democracy. They want to have it their way and if they don't get it they get a bug in their ass about it. Ironically, It's the same right wing bible thumpers that love to say "if you don't like the way the USA is, I'll help you pack your bags"

They can fuck right off and I will charge each one of them $300 to pack just to give them the last taste of their "beloved" capitalist society, and not a single fuck will be given.

[MachNU]

Ironically for those saying Texas would lose government funding...Texas actually has some of the lowest funding from the Government than any state. They actually almost support themselves. lol. Granted I have been to San Antonio and that place is a shit hole so....

[bu villain]

Texas is up to 81,000.

can this really happen?

Let's see...

Texans signing petition to secede: 81,000
Total Texans (2011 est): 25,674,681
Percent of Texans signing: 0.32%

Me thinks not likely

[Vteckidd]

No they cant secede itll never happen. Its retarded and frankly we are giving it way too much attention

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Let's see...

Texans signing petition to secede: 81,000
Total Texans (2011 est): 25,674,681
Percent of Texans signing: 0.32%

Me thinks not likely

Most of the people signing the petition aren't even from Texas. I took a look at it. Even if you got 24,900,000 signatures exclusively from TX, the petition itself means absolutely nothing. Nothing has or will ever come from these petitions. They're just a Q&A's by votes.

[stealth1]

Want to secede? The IRS has news for you- MSN Money (http://money.msn.com/politics/post.aspx?post=edcbef5c-e38e-4b67-93eb-a5e7b0ed3985)

haha....even the IRS will still come after them

[BanginJimmy]

Want to secede? The IRS has news for you- MSN Money (http://money.msn.com/politics/post.aspx?post=edcbef5c-e38e-4b67-93eb-a5e7b0ed3985)

haha....even the IRS will still come after them



The IRS dont play. No one is safe from them.

[ftp]

They don't want democracy. They want to have it their way and if they don't get it they get a bug in their ass about it. Ironically, It's the same right wing bible thumpers that love to say "if you don't like the way the USA is, I'll help you pack your bags"

They can fuck right off and I will charge each one of them $300 to pack just to give them the last taste of their "beloved" capitalist society, and not a single fuck will be given.
i would love democracy....However now we have a communist minded president for 4 more years that is turning America into a socialist society.. Remember, America fights socialists, not embrace them.......

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i would love democracy....However now we have a communist minded president for 4 more years that is turning America into a socialist society.. Remember, America fights socialists, not embrace them.......

A couple questions for you (Dont say shit, Sinfix)....

What makes you think our president is "communist minded"? Or a socialist? Could you tell me what the definition of both communism and socialism is? Can you give me an example of socialism in America?

[BanginJimmy]

A couple questions for you (Dont say shit, Sinfix)....

What makes you think our president is "communist minded"? Or a socialist? Could you tell me what the definition of both communism and socialism is? Can you give me an example of socialism in America?

Can I answer?

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Can I answer?

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No. I wanna see if this guy can think on his own, or if he's just another parrot.

[BanginJimmy]

No. I wanna see if this guy can think on his own, or if he's just another parrot.

Why bother when you already know the answer?

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Why bother when you already know the answer?

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Everyone still has the capacity to learn.

[§treet_§peed]

VOTE FOR PEDRO!

[BanginJimmy]

Everyone still has the capacity to learn.




you can only learn if you want to learn though. Most people are too comfortable in their own opinions to do so.



VOTE FOR PEDRO!

What you doing here?

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[01CDMLUDER]

I remember reading that texas wants to succed because they have the 10th biggest economy in the world and they have a balanced budget. Obama hasnt balanced the budget since he has been in office and is getting into more debt. If obama would focus on the economy and stop spending our money we wouldnt be having this conversation

[Sinfix_15]

I remember reading that texas wants to succed because they have the 10th biggest economy in the world and they have a balanced budget. Obama hasnt balanced the budget since he has been in office and is getting into more debt. If obama would focus on the economy and stop spending our money we wouldnt be having this conversation

If Obama did a lot of things differently, he wouldnt be the buffoon that he is.

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Lulz.

The only people that want to secede are the people who don't really know much of anything.

[Sinfix_15]

Lulz.

The only people that want to secede are the people who don't really know much of anything.

people dont really want to secede.... they just dont want Obama. Obama winning reelection is proof that the world is being taken over by morons.

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people dont really want to secede.... they just dont want Obama. Obama winning reelection is proof that the world is being taken over by morons.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Less people voted Dem this year than last year, and the same amount of people voted GOP. Obama still won by an EV landslide. Hypothesis busted.

[Sinfix_15]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Less people voted Dem this year than last year, and the same amount of people voted GOP. Obama still won by an EV landslide. Hypothesis busted.

I would make a statement about how this was the first time in history a president was reelected with numbers this bad..... but this is the first time in history a president has ever had numbers this bad, so that would be unfair.

The united states no longer understands personal responsibility. Our election system is a popularity contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mkPa8v5p5mY#t=18s

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I would make a statement about how this was the first time in history a president was reelected with numbers this bad..... but this is the first time in history a president has ever had numbers this bad, so that would be unfair.

Wrong. This year had almost a 61% voter turnout, in just the 2004 election, only 56% of voters turned out.

[bu villain]

I would make a statement about how this was the first time in history a president was reelected with numbers this bad..... but this is the first time in history a president has ever had numbers this bad, so that would be unfair.

Your looking at the wrong numbers.

[Sinfix_15]

Wrong. This year had almost a 61% voter turnout, in just the 2004 election, only 56% of voters turned out.


Your looking at the wrong numbers.

i dont care about voter turnout..... i put no value on the election process. Morons voting for Obama does not validate him.

Am i looking at the wrong deficit numbers? wrong unemployment numbers? wrong spending numbers????

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Am i looking at the wrong deficit numbers? wrong unemployment numbers? wrong spending numbers????Serious question: why do expert economists say that the deficits and the national debt aren't a problem?

[l Gizzy l]

Serious question: why do expert economists say that the deficits and the national debt aren't a problem?

tell tell!

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tell tell!

I wanna see his answer first.

[Sinfix_15]

Serious question: why do expert economists say that the deficits and the national debt aren't a problem?

I could care less what economists say, it's common sense. "expert economist" once told us the world was flat. Think for yourself. You dont earn $500 a week and spend $2000 a week. If the deficit and debt doesnt matter, why do you need to tax the rich to pay it off? why tax anyone? it doesnt matter, right? Irony, the side that wants to raise taxes says that debt doesnt matter.

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I could care less what economists say, it's common sense.Lol. This is all I needed to know. The facts don't matter with some people. Just the stuff that gets you most riled up.


You dont earn $500 a week and spend $2000 a week. If only it were that simple. Why is there a legion of people who know little about economics and insist their way of handling economics is right? Pop the question I asked you into google search.

[Vteckidd]

Serious question: why do expert economists say that the deficits and the national debt aren't a problem?

Who says that? Krugman? Define "not a problem".

Its absolutely a problem, more than it ever has been before. We already know what happens when you run things at unsustainable levels , they become bankrupt. You become European countries dealing with ways to reign in things they cant. Anyone who thinks "its not a problem" is not an expert economist in my opinion.

Deficits CAN be run, but not at the level we are running them. You wanna run deficits of 100-400 billion, ok. 1+ trillion and up? NOT POSSIBLE. Not unless you are exploding the treasury every 3-4 years to pay that off, which isnt happening. The INTEREST ALONE ON OUR DEBT will surpass 700 billion a year by 2016?

National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/)

Thats CBS, not exactly a Right Leaning thinktank.

Rising national debt accounts for more tax revenues for EVERYONE to have to pay that off. It directly effects YOUR interest rates on your credit cards, home loans, etc. Obama isnt the first one to run up deficits, but hes done nothing but run them up FASTER than anyone else in history. What we have gotten for our spending is terrible. Stagnate economy, 8% UE, higher food prices, stagnate housing market, etc. Nothing has worked and we keep spending.

And we are suppose to blame this all on 100 billion or less in tax revenues from the top 1-2%? gimme a break.

Both sides are engaged in bullshit rhetoric that needs to end.

[bu villain]

Am i looking at the wrong deficit numbers? wrong unemployment numbers? wrong spending numbers????

If you are ONLY looking at those numbers then yes, because you are looking at those numbers and ignoring context. A handful of economic numbers may be the only thing you care about but there are a lot of other things other people care about.

[bu villain]

I could care less what economists say, it's common sense.

It's a bit frightening when someone thinks common sense is a better way to run a country than asking people who dedicate their lives to studying a topic. Let's hope not too many people feel the same when it comes to medicine or engineering.

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Who says that?Econ1102.


Deficits CAN be run, but not at the level we are running them. You wanna run deficits of 100-400 billion, ok. 1+ trillion and up? NOT POSSIBLE. Not unless you are exploding the treasury every 3-4 years to pay that off, which isnt happening. The INTEREST ALONE ON OUR DEBT will surpass 700 billion a year by 2016?

National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/)...unless you are, maybe, trying to finanace a war or two?

Why don't they ever list what the national debt really is, what it consists of, and who holds the majority of it?

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Let's hope not too many people feel the same when it comes to medicine or engineering.

Lysol is proven to kill aids. Lets all drink Lysol and end a serious pandemic

[bu villain]

Long term the deficit can be a big problem but it isn't right now when we are borrowing money at less than the rate of inflation.

[Vteckidd]

Econ1102.

Correct me if im wrong because its been about 12 years since Econ College level courses, but I dont recall anyone saying "run up more debt dont worry about it =prosperity".


...unless you are, maybe, trying to finanace a war or two?

Why don't they ever list what the national debt really is, what it consists of, and who holds the majority of it?

Dodging the question by blaming it on someone else. Answer honestly what YOU Think, not what others say or think.

If you hate Bush for running up the debt, you LOATH obama. You cant simply say "Obama had no choice because of what BUsh left him" because not only is it patently false, its excuse making.

Do we blame Bush deficits on Clintons RECESSION he left him? The .com bubble was just as deep (not as wide) but just as deep as the collapse in 08, then, 9 months later 9/11 Happened (directly results of Clintons foreign policy). So if you are going to give a pass to obama, you give a pass to bush, and others before him.

But i dont play that game.

you realize the Iraq war is over right? And hes still projecting 900 billion and 1 trillion+ deficits well into the end of his 2nd term. Whats the excuse? the Iraq was has been done for 1-2 years now? Afghan is almost done.

The simple answer is Obama has exploded federal programs and played crony capitalism with companies. FOOD STAMPS=MONEY UE for 99 weeks=MONEY "INVESTING" in Green Energy that goes belly up= MONEY. Obamacare is going to cost a ton of money that they never paid for.

It has little to nothing to do with Bush and his policies. Obamas first 2 years id give him the "well i had to " because of Bush and the economy.

[Vteckidd]

Long term the deficit can be a big problem but it isn't right now when we are borrowing money at less than the rate of inflation.

Inflation has to increase, its math.

[Vteckidd]

Why don't they ever list what the national debt really is, what it consists of, and who holds the majority of it?

Sure

PresidentialDebt.org - U.S. National Deby by Presidential Term (http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm)


Clinton=1.X Trillion in 8 years
Bush = 5 Trillion in 8 years with 9/11, CLinton Recession, 08 Financial Collapse, Katrina (worst hurricane in US History), 2 wars
Obama= 5 Trillion in 4 years with no major natural disaster until Sandy, drawing down of 2 wars, Obamacare, 08 financial collapse

National Debt Graph by President (http://zfacts.com/p/318.html)

Clearly, CLinton was the best president of the last 20-30 years. He had the least amount of debt, the best economic conditions. However, he did this if you remember by drawing down our military, which some people will argue is what lead to 9/11. I wont say that, but he drew down the defense budget (which i think we should do again) and he embraced the tax cuts GOP offered, and reformed entitlements.

Obama/Bush did neither. Bush cut taxes and produced the highest receipts in tax revenues, but he spent too much. Obama has done nothing with taxes, nothing with revenues (lost revenues but expected because of 08 collapse), exploded spending

At current CbO projections, Obama will hold the majority of the debt by a LARGE amount

[Sinfix_15]

It's a bit frightening when someone thinks common sense is a better way to run a country than asking people who dedicate their lives to studying a topic. Let's hope not too many people feel the same when it comes to medicine or engineering.

its a bit frightening when people abandon common sense to blindly follow a politician.

[Sinfix_15]

side note..... Larry Sinclair, opinion?

[bu villain]

Inflation has to increase, its math.

Actually it doesn't. As long as the debt isn't in circulation, it won't cause inflation. If we tighten the money supply at the same rate as that debt is introduced into the economy assuming it is at all, there will never be any inflation from it. The key here is tightening the money supply (which does mean increasing revenue to spending ratios) but the timing is important. That is the reason the fed is more worried about deflation than inflation right now. So yes, we do need to control our spending and it is a good idea for us to try to bring down our debt. But getting the economy going is a higher priority right now than reducing the deficit.

[bu villain]

its a bit frightening when people abandon common sense to blindly follow a politician.

Who said anything about a politician. I thought we were talking about economists.

[Vteckidd]

Actually it doesn't. As long as the debt isn't in circulation, it won't cause inflation. If we tighten the money supply at the same rate as that debt is introduced into the economy assuming it is at all, there will never be any inflation from it. The key here is tightening the money supply (which does mean increasing revenue to spending ratios) but the timing is important. That is the reason the fed is more worried about deflation than inflation right now. So yes, we do need to control our spending and it is a good idea for us to try to bring down our debt. But getting the economy going is a higher priority right now than reducing the deficit.

Where do you think all the money is parked? Once it enters circulation inflation will go up.

What you just described is what has NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS. Its impossible to time it just right, because it never works. Inflation HAS to happen. Youll never gain revenue fast enough to compete with deficits of 16 trillion or 700 billion in INTEREST alone in the next 5 years. The treasury can only gain more revenue by growing the tax payer base. That means people get hired, that means the money parked on the sidelines the FED has been pumping into the market will get spent= inflation explosion.

its going to happen we just dont know when

[Vteckidd]

The Deficit is directly related to the economy, they are intertwined.

[Echonova]

We are already over the financial cliff. Nobody is just willing to say it.



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Only because I'm not going on TV
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[Sinfix_15]

We are already over the financial cliff. Nobody is just willing to say it.



My disposable income is being diverted to preparing for it. No, you won't see me on an episode of "Doomsday Preppers"...
























































Only because I'm not going on TV
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yep, hopefully after 4 more years we wont be in too deep of shit for someone whos not a retard to be elected and fix it.