Obama won the election?

[Sinfix_15]

Not everyone seems to think so. Just relaying an article to get your opinion. There's a lot of information in this link, but one thing i found interesting, Obama didnt win anywhere there was voter ID.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SzzcRXArjI8/UJ6tLsLIxrI/AAAAAAAADKI/F00rm1uqxhY/s1600/Screen+Shot+2012-11-10+at+12.37.48+PM.png

Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012: Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012 (http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/2012/11/barack-obama-voter-fraud-2012.html)

[Elbow]

lol...

[Sinfix_15]

lol...

As the dust settles, lot of questions coming up. Lot of counties asking how Obama got 100k+ votes in counties with 90k registered voters total. Our election system is primitive, a problem wouldnt be sorted overnight.

[Elbow]

As the dust settles, lot of questions coming up. Lot of counties asking how Obama got 100k+ votes in counties with 90k registered voters total.

Then I guess government officials should look into that.

[Sinfix_15]

Then I guess government officials should look into that.

they are

[RsonGt3's]

Can he go to jail if any is true?

[Elbow]

Can he go to jail if any is true?

Yes, they will probably arrest him for not being born in the US as well and being the anti-Christ.

The charges have been building for years, the largest most recent creating Sandy to benefit his campaign.

[Sinfix_15]

Can he go to jail if any is true?

It would never fall on Obama himself, it would be the individuals... and rightfully so, even as much as i hate Obama, i dont see him being the mastermind behind some plot to rig the election.... now the NAACP, black panthers and their legion of followers..... absolutely..... Mccain said he suspected this in 2008 also. We've got cases all over the country of NAACP taking over polling locations.... counties showing up where Obama has more votes than the county has residents...

I mentioned all of this before the election too.

[Sinfix_15]

Florida getting in the mix.

TRR: Florida Vote Twist: More Ballots Than Voters - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/10/florida-vote-twist-more-ballots-voters/#.UJ7JPGW229U.facebook)

[Sinfix_15]

Voter fraud is no myth -- it's more common than you think - Conservative News (http://www.humanevents.com/2012/11/01/voter-fraud-is-no-myth-its-more-common-than-you-think/)

[Sinfix_15]

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures (http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures)

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures

Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000
12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.
The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.
The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

[MachNU]

No surprise...but this generally is common in almost all elections. Now the most recent one, I will agree....seems to be a overwhelming amount of voter fraud.

But in regards to that map, if you notice most of the blue counties are actually very large, high population cities. Where you might have 1 county of blue equal the amount of votes of 2-3 red counties. But I still agree...that is a lot of red for someone to have as many votes that were counted.

[HeyItsSkeero]

The NAACP will just say Americans are racist since he is black. That's what they do. Everything has to be about race with them. Imo they should be shut down bottom line. This is 2012 why the fuck are they still needed? For christ sakes we did have a black president.

[Elbow]

I hate the NAACP more than almost anything else.

[Sinfix_15]

add Boston to the list reporting more votes than voters.
Voter fraud! 129% of registered Boston vote on election day? : Fire Andrea Mitchell! (http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/11/09/voter-fraud-129-of-registered-boston-vote-on-election-day/?utm_source=FAM_Blog&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FireAndreaMitchell+%28Fire+An drea+Mitchell%21+Exposing+Liberal+bias+cause+the+M SM+doesn%27t+have+to.%29)

[Sinfix_15]

Romney himself getting in on the action now, filing federal suit for military ballots to be counted.

Romney files military ballots suit in Wisconsin | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/15/romney-campaign-files-federal-suit-to-ensure-all-military-ballots-count-in-wisconsin/)

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hmNQy6EFm7M#t=79s

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Not everyone seems to think soBut everyone in the real world does seem to think so.

[BanginJimmy]

But everyone in the real world does seem to think so.

Just quit replaying to him. I have considered blocking him, but my MOD status kind of prevents me from doing so.



BTW, Florida consistently has tens of thousands of dead voters on the roles because that is where old people go to die.

[Vteckidd]

Can he go to jail if any is true?

LOL no Obama has no direct control over local govt elections. Election voting is a states rights issue.

So, this happens every election practically. Since the elections are held on a state level, we open ourselves up to tons of govt red tape. There is always voter fraud there is always over voting, etc. Its like SHRINK , the term best buy uses to explain the amount of inventory gets stolen, lost, damaged and unaccounted for. Its usually 1% of its total store inventory. Id like to see the percentage of "voter fraud" compared to millions of properly cast votes. Im sure its 1% or less.

I trust the GOP will challenge any counties that are close or appear to be fraudulent. If there are places with 140% Voter turnout , they will investigate it. Many of the final ballots and counting isnt done until MONTHs later. Youll see all this stuff even out soon.

The "obama didnt win where there is VOTER ID" is interesting, but totally believable. Most of the VOTER ID states were hardcore Republican, so it makes sense there is no Obama victory there. It would be like saying "Romney didnt win in any county where there was a union".

[Sinfix_15]

Just quit replaying to him. I have considered blocking him, but my MOD status kind of prevents me from doing so.



BTW, Florida consistently has tens of thousands of dead voters on the roles because that is where old people go to die.

Real question, this is the news section. All i have done in this thread is post news articles from various places. I'm not saying "this is what i think", im saying "hey, look at these 15 news articles", where should i be reading the news and how do you decide which news to read and not read? I fail to understand how you fault me for relaying a news article. am i reading the wrong news? if so, please point me in the direction of the right news.

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Real question, this is the news section. All i have done in this thread is post news articles from various places. I'm not saying "this is what i think", im saying "hey, look at these 15 news articles", where should i be reading the news and how do you decide which news to read and not read? I fail to understand how you fault me for relaying a news article.

What you posted is not news. It's sore-loser-y bull shit

"Wahhhh. Romney woulda won if he had 300k more votes"

Romney lost last week. Despite all of the new "patriots", the GOP still got their asses handed to them. They did it to themselves. They lost because they didnt want to win a presidency and they didnt want to fix America They wanted to "beat the libtard". That's it, theres nothin more to it. If you want shit to change, get your head out of the "conservative" echo chamber spin machine's ass and be the change.

[Sinfix_15]

What you posted is not news. It's sore-loser-y bull shit

"Wahhhh. Romney woulda won if he had 300k more votes"

Romney lost last week. Despite all of the new "patriots", the GOP still got their asses handed to them. They did it to themselves. They lost because they didnt want to win a presidency and they didnt want to fix America They wanted to "beat the libtard". That's it, theres nothin more to it. If you want shit to change, get your head out of the "conservative" echo chamber spin machine's ass and be the change.

I honestly dont know how to be the change. I work everyday and take care of myself completely free of any government assistance. I dont understand how other people cant and it depresses me to think that living off of government assistance is becoming normal in america.

but.... Ive come to the conclusion its best for to just put blinders on and not pay attention to it. So i'll stop coming to this section of the forum.

[.blank cd]

I honestly dont know how to be the change. I work everyday and take care of myself completely free of any government assistance. I dont understand how other people cant and it depresses me to think that living off of government assistance is becoming normal in america.

but.... Ive come to the conclusion its best for to just put blinders on and not pay attention to it. So i'll stop coming to this section of the forum.

Government assistance has been a normal thing for a long time. It's a good thing, it's going to stay, and there's not ever going to be a president that challenges it. Other than the couple bad apples, there's nothing abnormal going on with the welfare system.

[Elbow]

I honestly dont know how to be the change. I work everyday and take care of myself completely free of any government assistance. I dont understand how other people cant and it depresses me to think that living off of government assistance is becoming normal in america.

but.... Ive come to the conclusion its best for to just put blinders on and not pay attention to it. So i'll stop coming to this section of the forum.

Yeah, because nobody else works without government assistance. lol

Any working individual doesn't like capable individuals getting the free ride, never have, it's nothing new as blank said, it has grown sure, but so have the people that actually need it.

[BanginJimmy]

It's a good thing, it's going to stay, and there's not ever going to be a president that challenges it. Other than the couple bad apples, there's nothing abnormal going on with the welfare system.

I disagree. Rewarding people for not taking care of themselves is not a good thing. Its a cancer that explains generational welfare.

It may be a relatively small number that defraud the system but it is a very large number that abuse the intent of the system.

There are a lot of people, overwhelmingly single mothers, that sit on it for decades while making no attempt to improve themselves and become self reliant.



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[Elbow]

I disagree. Rewarding people for not taking care of themselves is not a good thing. Its a cancer that explains generational welfare.

It may be a relatively small number that defraud the system but it is a very large number that abuse the intent of the system.

There are a lot of people, overwhelmingly single mothers, that sit on it for decades while making no attempt to improve themselves and become self reliant.



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...and what about the people that need it? We should end it all because people abuse it?

[BanginJimmy]

...and what about the people that need it? We should end it all because people abuse it?

I never said that. Very strict time limits. 4 years is plenty of time to get your act straight. If you cant do it in that amount of time you never will.

I dont know if its possible but I would like to see people on welfare barred from opening or using revolving credit accounts.

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[Sammich]

...and what about the people that need it? We should end it all because people abuse it?

http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/9/9d/Applause.gif

couldnt have said it better...everyone that seems to be against government assistance is trying to eradicate government assistance for EVERYONE...eliminating it or putting down a clamp and closing loopholes for people that dont need it is what needs to happen. there are situations beyond people's control that have put them in a situation they cant help, that's when govt assistance should be paramount. but the abuse of it needs to stop

[.blank cd]

I never said that. Very strict time limits. 4 years is plenty of time to get your act straight. If you cant do it in that amount of time you never will.

I dont know if its possible but I would like to see people on welfare barred from opening or using revolving credit accounts.

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Well lets see if we can get the narrative to change from "welfare nanny state socialism" to a more educated "lets see if we can reform government assistance to try and save us money" or "Obamacare is a good start, let's find some ways to make it better/cheaper/more efficient"

People who use the words "welfare" "nanny state" "communism" and "socialism" are not helping the real conservative case at all

[BanginJimmy]

Well lets see if we can get the narrative to change from "welfare nanny state socialism" to a more educated "lets see if we can reform government assistance to try and save us money" or "Obamacare is a good start, let's find some ways to make it better/cheaper/more efficient"

Im with you until you get to Obamacare. In no way will that law make health care better, cheaper, or more efficient. In fact, it will do the exact opposite and add in less accessible.


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[Sammich]

that sounds like a closed mind to me

[Vteckidd]

Well lets see if we can get the narrative to change from "welfare nanny state socialism" to a more educated "lets see if we can reform government assistance to try and save us money" or "Obamacare is a good start, let's find some ways to make it better/cheaper/more efficient"

People who use the words "welfare" "nanny state" "communism" and "socialism" are not helping the real conservative case at all

the problem is Clinton did welfare reform, Obama undid it by removing the work requirement by circumventing congress.

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the problem is Clinton did welfare reform, Obama undid it by removing the work requirement by circumventing congress.

Meh, kinda but not really.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/fact-check-welfare/index.html?c=&page=2

[BanginJimmy]

that sounds like a closed mind to me

If you are talking to me, maybe you can tell me how Obamacare is going to lower costs. I have been through this dozens of times and have yet to find anyone that can even make a believable case.

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[Sammich]

i'm talking about both dem's and repub's getting together to find a better cost effective way to administer it..you said there's no way possible, that's when i said you have a closed mind

[Vteckidd]

Meh, kinda but not really.

Fact check: Romney's welfare claims wrong - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/fact-check-welfare/index.html?c=&page=2)
both parties worked for welfare reform, passed it.

Why did obama do anyything in the first place?

[BanginJimmy]

i'm talking about both dem's and repub's getting together to find a better cost effective way to administer it..you said there's no way possible, that's when i said you have a closed mind


Generally speaking there are plenty of ways to bring down costs, just not under the framework of Obamacare.

[BanginJimmy]

Meh, kinda but not really.

Fact check: Romney's welfare claims wrong - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/fact-check-welfare/index.html?c=&page=2)


Maybe I am missing something, but how does handing out welfare checks with no job training or work requirements increase employment?

[.blank cd]

Maybe I am missing something, but how does handing out welfare checks with no job training or work requirements increase employment?

"These states, some with Republican governors, asked the federal government for more flexibility in how they hand out welfare dollars. Their purpose was to spend less time on federal paperwork and more time experimenting with ways to connect welfare recipients with jobs."

[BanginJimmy]

"These states, some with Republican governors, asked the federal government for more flexibility in how they hand out welfare dollars. Their purpose was to spend less time on federal paperwork and more time experimenting with ways to connect welfare recipients with jobs."

I know how to read. I am asking how you eliminate programs for people with little to no job skills and increase employment by 20%. Sounds more like you would increase long term unemployment within that demographic.



BTW, I strongly believe that more than 90% of the people on welfare right now would find a way to support themselves if welfare wasnt there.

[Echonova]

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[C230K]

I wish I knew enough about politics to have a debate with you guys:(

[Vteckidd]

"These states, some with Republican governors, asked the federal government for more flexibility in how they hand out welfare dollars. Their purpose was to spend less time on federal paperwork and more time experimenting with ways to connect welfare recipients with jobs."

Ok, and........................

[RandomGuy]

I wish I knew enough about politics to have a debate with you guys:(

join the club

[Elbow]

I know how to read. I am asking how you eliminate programs for people with little to no job skills and increase employment by 20%. Sounds more like you would increase long term unemployment within that demographic.



BTW, I strongly believe that more than 90% of the people on welfare right now would find a way to support themselves if welfare wasnt there.

Open a few new government owned fast food chains, boom, jobs for the skill lacking individuals.

These chains accept food stamps, are decently priced anyway, and are entirely employed by these individuals you speak of. Aside from the managers, who are experienced.

Strict employment rules, strict drug screening, you call out more than a few times, you're gone, fail a drug test, banned from any government aid, bad attitude? Bye bye.

lol

On a real note, if 90% of people COULD work, have you looked for work in the past few years? Only recently have jobs started popping up in my area, I couldn't find a job for two years and applied EVERYWHERE, twice, only had one interview and wasn't hired because they thought I lived too far away.

Just saying there are people who need benefits and are seeking jobs, but these aren't the people that abuse the system. The people that abuse the system are the ones that walk in wearing a wife beater and baggy jeans and say "ey yall be hiring?" Obviously knowing the owner will say no.

[l Gizzy l]

On a real note, if 90% of people COULD work, have you looked for work in the past few years? Only recently have jobs started popping up in my area, I couldn't find a job for two years and applied EVERYWHERE, twice, only had one interview and wasn't hired because they thought I lived too far away.

Just saying there are people who need benefits and are seeking jobs, but these aren't the people that abuse the system. The people that abuse the system are the ones that walk in wearing a wife beater and baggy jeans and say "ey yall be hiring?" Obviously knowing the owner will say no.

I just dont see this. In the past 4 years i've had *knocks on wood* 4 different jobs (more than one at a time up until recent). I've never had a problem getting steady employment, so much so that I would simply jump from job to job. Of course I'm not looking at the $60k/yr jobs, but still. Its not related to your "skills" but who you know. So I network.

If you werent getting job hits, ask your friends/old coworkers if there's anything. I told my dad to do the same thing when he lost his job, bam a month later he's got two interviews. Also if you still cant find one, lower your job expectations. $40k/yr is better than desiring a $60k/yr job, but not having one.

nahmean?

[bu villain]

BTW, I strongly believe that more than 90% of the people on welfare right now would find a way to support themselves if welfare wasnt there.

Do you have any data to back this up or is this just part of your worldview? It seems many people want to decide policy based on their unsubstatiated worldview and anecdotal experiences. I think we would all be better off and able to create better policy if we start with data rather than personal beliefs.

[.blank cd]

I think we would all be better off and able to create better policy if we start with data rather than personal beliefs. But that would render the current GOP platform useless!

[Echonova]

I totally stole this from SouthrnFresh... But I LOL'd for real.
















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[BanginJimmy]

But that would render the current GOP platform useless!

As it would for the dem platform.

When.using actual facts 2+2 will never equal 5.

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[Elbow]

I just dont see this. In the past 4 years i've had *knocks on wood* 4 different jobs (more than one at a time up until recent). I've never had a problem getting steady employment, so much so that I would simply jump from job to job. Of course I'm not looking at the $60k/yr jobs, but still. Its not related to your "skills" but who you know. So I network.

If you werent getting job hits, ask your friends/old coworkers if there's anything. I told my dad to do the same thing when he lost his job, bam a month later he's got two interviews. Also if you still cant find one, lower your job expectations. $40k/yr is better than desiring a $60k/yr job, but not having one.

nahmean?

I was applying at McDonalds and stuff, I gave up looking for a decent paying job, I didn't care what it was after a few months of looking.

Luckily things came together and I got loads of work at what was my small part time job and other large odd jobs on the side, so I can't complain, but talk about stress when I felt 100% hopeless.