Grade Obama.

[Sinfix_15]

Grade Obama's last 4 years in office.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5biLfQCEAA_H3F.jpg

[Vteckidd]

I give him a D based on the fact he got Bin Laden. Other than that i cant find anything i remotely agree or think he did well.

[BanginJimmy]

I gave him an A and I will defend my position to no one.

[ISAtlanta300]

I give him a D based on the fact he got Bin Laden. Other than that i cant find anything i remotely agree or think he did well.
He didn't find bin laden . Our fine seal team got him with help from our fine intelligence. It's not like he was looking at a pic himself and said "there's Waldo....err bin laden " we just happened to find him under his administration. And he executed the order.

[Vteckidd]

He didn't find bin laden . Our fine seal team got him with help from our fine intelligence. It's not like he was looking at a pic himself and said "there's Waldo....err bin laden " we just happened to find him under his administration. And he executed the order.

yeah i know the right wing talking points. I still give credit to Obama for giving the order, or whatever you want to call it. I think a lot of Bushs policies helped in capturing Obama, but if something like that happens, the current president gets the credit.

[C230K]

He didn't find bin laden . Our fine seal team got him with help from our fine intelligence. It's not like he was looking at a pic himself and said "there's Waldo....err bin laden " we just happened to find him under his administration. And he executed the order.

Not true, Bin Laden died years ago of lung complication I believe, it is all a cover up for Obama to rack in votes.

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I think a lot of Bushs policies helped in capturing Obama.
ಠ_ಠ

[Vteckidd]

ಠ_ಠ

SPecifically the waterboarding of captured terrorists that lead to the location of the compound.

But even Bush was gracious enough to stay away from the ceremonies Obama invited him too because even he knew the credit goes to Obama. Not partisan, its just the way it works

[Sinfix_15]

Not sure why mods felt the need to make my public poll private. If you do not wish to answer in public, then you had the choice to avoid this thread.

[MachNU]

I gave him an A and I will defend my position to no one.

LOL. I see what you did there.

[Elbow]

I'd give him a B.

[Sinfix_15]

I'd give him a B.

I suppose Hilter and Gaddafi would fall somewhere around a C- then?

[Elbow]

I suppose Hilter and Gaddafi would fall somewhere around a C- then?

Oh? I wasn't aware they were even remotely comparable.

I can't wait until election day to see your reacting when Obama is still president.

[Sammich]

I suppose Hilter and Gaddafi would fall somewhere around a C- then?

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

i guess i'm still wrong for calling you ignorant

[Sinfix_15]

Oh? I wasn't aware they were even remotely comparable.

I can't wait until election day to see your reacting when Obama is still president.

Theyre not "remotely comparable".... the comment was directed at your generous grading. Sometimes i forget i need to spell things out for people who post here.

[Sinfix_15]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

i guess i'm still wrong for calling you ignorant

same for you. your lack of simply understanding is usually the cause between our disagreements. i say one thing and you read something completely different.

[Sammich]

you putting killers in the same category as the current president, whose motive is to try to assist people, (all were/are 'leaders/politicians')...that's a simplicity. i dont see what there is not to get. please enlighten me.

[Sinfix_15]

you putting killers in the same category as the current president, whose motive is to try to assist people, (all were/are 'leaders/politicians')...that's a simplicity. i dont see what there is not to get. please enlighten me.

I put leaders with other leaders. Technically.... Obama is a "killer" also, just so happens he killed people that we felt deserved to be killed. I bet Hitler's approval rating in his own country was higher than Obama's in the USA.


Edit.... since i know everything i ever say gets taken out of context...... no, i do not support Hitler in any way shape or form, just making an argument.

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I put leaders with other leaders. Technically.... Obama is a "killer" also, just so happens he killed people that we felt deserved to be killed. I bet Hitler's approval rating in his own country was higher than Obama's in the USA.


Edit.... since i know everything i ever say gets taken out of context...... no, i do not support Hitler in any way shape or form, just making an argument.

No you put dignitaries in with war criminals. A straw-man

[nelson9995]

Breaking from Newsmax.com

Obama, Bill Clinton to Campaign Together

President Barack Obama and Bill Clinton will campaign together Monday, opening the final full week before Election Day with a three-state battleground blitz.

The joint rallies underscore Clinton's role as perhaps Obama's most important surrogate in the tightly contested White House race with Republican Mitt Romney. In campaign events, television advertisements and a well-regarded speech at the Democratic convention, the former president has been a chief defender of Obama's economic record, winning praise for sometimes explaining that record better than Obama himself.

Editor's Notes:

The two will headline rallies Monday in Orlando, Fla., Youngstown, Ohio, and Prince William County, Va. It's the first time Obama and Clinton will campaign together during this election, though they have shared the stage at fundraisers and appeared together briefly at the party convention.

The three states are among the biggest electoral prizes up for grabs in the Nov. 6 election. Polls show Obama has an edge in Ohio, but Romney has whittled away the president's earlier leads in Florida and Virginia.

For Obama and Clinton, the rallies serve as another benchmark in a year that has solidified their transition from political rivals to allies.

Following his convention speech, Clinton has made a series of solo appearances on Obama's behalf. A high-profile event in Ohio last week also featured Bruce Springsteen.

Clinton has also appeared in campaign ads, including one out this week where the former president argues that Obama "got it right" with his economic agenda. And he's helped both Obama's campaign and the main super political action committee supporting him raise money.

Obama advisers are banking that Clinton's presence on the campaign trail will shore up the Democratic base. And they hope undecided voters will draw a connection between Obama's policies and the ones Clinton pushed when he presided over a thriving economy.

© Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.



Breaking from Newsmax.com

Colin Powell Backs Obama for Second Term

Former Republican Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed President Barack Obama for a second term Thursday, telling “CBS This Morning” that he voted for Obama in 2008 but this time was going further and publicly backing him.

“We’ve come out of the dive and we’re starting to gain altitude,” Powell said. “The unemployment rate is too high, people are still hurting in housing, but I see that we’re starting to rise up.”

Editor's Notes:

Powell said that when Obama took over “the country was in very, very difficult straits. We were in the one of the worst recessions we had seen in recent times, close to a depression.”

“The fiscal system was collapsing: Wall Street was in chaos, we had 800,000 jobs lost in that first month of the Obama administration,” he said. “Unemployment peaked at 10 percent, so we were in real trouble. The auto industry was collapsing, housing was started to collapse, and we were in very difficult straits.

“And I saw over the next several years stabilization come back in the financial community,” Powell added. “Housing is now starting to come back after four years; it's starting to pick up. Consumer confidence is rising."

The four-star general also said that Obama “got us out of one war, started to get us out of a second war, and did not get us into any new wars.”

“The actions he has taken in respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very solid,” Powell said. “We ought to keep on the track we are on.”

Powell served as secretary of state during George W. Bush’s first term. He was also national security adviser in the last years of the Reagan administration and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff from 1989-1993.

He told CBS he still considers himself a Republican. "I think I'm a Republican of a more moderate mold — that's something of a dying breed I'm sorry to say."

During his CBS appearance, Powell criticized GOP candidate Mitt Romney’s foreign policy, saying his positions in Monday night’s debate were “quite different from what he said earlier.”

"I'm not quite sure which Governor Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy," he added. “One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal — same thing in Iraq.”

On Romney’s domestic policy, Powell said, "As I listen to what his proposals are especially with respect to dealing with respect to our most significant issue — the economy — it's essentially: ‘Let's cut taxes and compensate for that with other things,’ but that compensation does not cover all the cuts intended or the new expenses associated with defense."

© 2012 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

[nelson9995]

That's like the head of the math department at Harvard (Clinton) telling his 2 competing students (Obama, Romney) that Obama has the right plan to become the next head of the math department.

Sinfix, Vteckidd?

Are Bill Clinton and Collin Powell clueless just like Obama?
Please answer my question first then you may continue.

[BanginJimmy]

That's like the head of the math department at Harvard (Clinton) telling his 2 competing students (Obama, Romney) that Obama has the right plan to become the next head of the math department.

Sinfix, Vteckidd?

Are Bill Clinton and Collin Powell clueless just like Obama?
Please answer my question first then you may continue.

You are even dumber than sin fix. That really is saying something.

[nelson9995]

You are even dumber than sin fix. That really is saying something.

Lol
On the 6th ill have my pc ready to make a thread celebrating. See you guys then!

[Vteckidd]

That's like the head of the math department at Harvard (Clinton) telling his 2 competing students (Obama, Romney) that Obama has the right plan to become the next head of the math department.

Sinfix, Vteckidd?

Are Bill Clinton and Collin Powell clueless just like Obama?
Please answer my question first then you may continue.

youre seriously retarded and its a shame you can vote cause frankly, youre just flat out ignorant.

1) Bill Clinton is backing Obama not because he likes Obama, but because its what is best for his legacy. And hes a team player. Newt, Santorum all are backing Mitt Romney and they absolutely despised him in the primaries. Its called politics. For the record, Obama is doing exactly OPPOSITE of what Clinton did to save his own ass. If Obama would govern like Clinton, I would be voting for Obama. FACT. GO AHEAD, CALL ME A RIGHT WINGER NOW.

2) Colin Powell is insignificant. He endorsed Obama last term, hes largely inconsequential. No one cares. Colin Powell served his country and is a patriot, but the way he ducked and saved his own ass to distance himself from Bush to protect his legacy ......i lost respect for him

[Vteckidd]

Lol
On the 6th ill have my pc ready to make a thread celebrating. See you guys then!

Cool, ill have my PC ready when our currency collapses and UE stays at 8% or higher over the next 4 years. GO AMERICA

[nelson9995]

youre seriously retarded and its a shame you can vote cause frankly, youre just flat out ignorant.

1) Bill Clinton is backing Obama not because he likes Obama, but because its what is best for his legacy. And hes a team player. Newt, Santorum all are backing Mitt Romney and they absolutely despised him in the primaries. Its called politics. For the record, Obama is doing exactly OPPOSITE of what Clinton did to save his own ass. If Obama would govern like Clinton, I would be voting for Obama. FACT. GO AHEAD, CALL ME A RIGHT WINGER NOW.

2) Colin Powell is insignificant. He endorsed Obama last term, hes largely inconsequential. No one cares. Colin Powell served his country and is a patriot, but the way he ducked and saved his own ass to distance himself from Bush to protect his legacy ......i lost respect for him

I didn't know every smart individual voted for Romney. Sorry.

If we're talking about politics and saying what helps you then Romney is an idiot. He wants to win but pushes hispanics, women, blacks, and poor away. If he was smart then he would try to win them versus targeting rich white men only. Smart politician right there.

And you made a good point about what Clinton is doing. I was expecting you to say that in order for me to tell you and understand the above.

You're a smart guy I give it to you. You follow politics more than me, but we STRONGLY disagree on how businesses are ran. You say you have ran business before which is understandable. My father also ran a successful business for 10+ years in the Dominican Republic before selling it to come to this country. I also know what I'm talking about when I say you can treat your employees better, make them feel appreciated, incentives, etc...

Let's agree to disagree. I will open my own business within 6 months. We'll see if my way works or not.

and Colin powell insignificant? I'm sure everyone here disagrees with you.

Again, I'm in GA. I will never be right and will always be ignorant. Go up North and you would be the one being called ignorant. I don't take it to offense for this same reason. Let's not go too far... any Democrat would call you an idiot... same thing Republicans would do to me... See what I'm saying?

[Sinfix_15]

The argument against Romney is "we dont think his plan will work" , but we're already aware that Obama's plan does not work. Looks like Dems are the new king of smear campaigns. Check the results of this poll, speaks for itself.

[Elbow]

I didn't know every smart individual voted for Romney. Sorry.

If we're talking about politics and saying what helps you then Romney is an idiot. He wants to win but pushes hispanics, women, blacks, and poor away. If he was smart then he would try to win them versus targeting rich white men only. Smart politician right there.

And you made a good point about what Clinton is doing. I was expecting you to say that in order for me to tell you and understand the above.

You're a smart guy I give it to you. You follow politics more than me, but we STRONGLY disagree on how businesses are ran. You say you have ran business before which is understandable. My father also ran a successful business for 10+ years in the Dominican Republic before selling it to come to this country. I also know what I'm talking about when I say you can treat your employees better, make them feel appreciated, incentives, etc...

Let's agree to disagree. I will open my own business within 6 months. We'll see if my way works or not.

and Colin powell insignificant? I'm sure everyone here disagrees with you.

Again, I'm in GA. I will never be right and will always be ignorant. Go up North and you would be the one being called ignorant. I don't take it to offense for this same reason. Let's not go too far... any Democrat would call you an idiot... same thing Republicans would do to me... See what I'm saying?

So please tell me how Romney targets rich white men.

This whole democrat vs republican war is stupid, we're all Americans, we all want a successful country.

[Sammich]

Tax Policy Center in Spotlight for Its Romney Study - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-policy-center-spotlight-romney-173604062.html)

some information that came from a group of both rep and democrats on the proposed tax policy. thought it was a good read

[CSquared]

Again, I'm in GA. I will never be right and will always be ignorant. Go up North and you would be the one being called ignorant.

This is why I don't participate in political discussions on import atlanta. I grew up in New York... But now being a spec of blue in a sea of red. It's not really worth my breath (or fingers in this case). I will cast my insignificant vote for Obama and go back about my life hoping that these dumbass political threads on IA die a slow painful death.

[Sammich]

they wont die until about 2 years after the end of next term

[Sinfix_15]

This is why I don't participate in political discussions on import atlanta. I grew up in New York... But now being a spec of blue in a sea of red. It's not really worth my breath (or fingers in this case). I will cast my insignificant vote for Obama and go back about my life hoping that these dumbass political threads on IA die a slow painful death.

This is true.... though it doesnt mean you're right. My relatives from up north are complete morons. I guess you northerners, despite thinking everyone below Illinois is a redneck, are not very good at math. Even being the racist Georgia toothless hillbilly that i supposedly am, i still know that 1.2 trillion is not half of 500 billion. I also know that a person who told me they would only need 2 years, shouldnt need 8. I also understand the definition of adequate and know that there's nothing adequate about security that allows a building to be destroyed and all of it's occupants murdered. I know that Presidential terms are 4 years and that Bush's ended in 2008. I also know that 1 term in the senate and a resume that includes community organizer and author does not qualify you to be president.

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Even being the racist Georgia toothless hillbilly that i supposedly am, i still know that 1.2 trillion is not half of 500 billion.1.2T is more than twice 500B


I also know that a person who told me they would only need 2 years, shouldnt need 8Romney said he would balance the budget in 8 years, so why would he slam the president for not doing it in less than three?
I also know that 1 term in the senate and a resume that includes community organizer and author does not qualify you to be president.Dont forget to include Harvard law graduate, attorney, and law professor. Could you bring up the official qualifications for the president of the United States?

[Sinfix_15]

1.2T is more than twice 500B

Romney said he would balance the budget in 8 years, so why would he slam the president for not doing it in less than three? Dont forget to include Harvard law graduate, attorney, and law professor. Could you bring up the official qualifications for the president of the United States?

Obama was never a professor. His ability to practice law was removed.

Yes.......... you are exactly right. 1.2T is more than twice 500b.... yet 1.2T is what we have when half of 500b by 2009 is what Obama promised when he was running for election the first time.

[metalmatt47]

Voting for Obama is like the Titanic backing up and hitting the ice burg again.

[Sammich]

WHAT IF!!!!!!!! Obama get's reelected and HELPS dramatically decrease teh deficit?! dont say 'he wont' etc etc...what will be the concensus? i'm just curious.

[Sinfix_15]

WHAT IF!!!!!!!! Obama get's reelected and HELPS dramatically decrease teh deficit?! dont say 'he wont' etc etc...what will be the concensus? i'm just curious.

It's bad and worse with Obama. He will either continue to have stupid high deficits or lower it on the backs of our business' and tax payers. Romney says he can fix it without raising taxes, Obama says doing it without raising taxes is impossible. Soon as Obama gets done lip servicing america to get reelected, he will either raise taxes or continue to put us further in debt. It's going to be bad no matter what.

Obama hasnt made good on any of his promises, yet he continues to make promises and you continue to believe him. This is our only chance to hold him accountable for failure. After he gets reelected, there's nothing you can do about it.

[metalmatt47]

WHAT IF!!!!!!!! Obama get's reelected and HELPS dramatically decrease teh deficit?! dont say 'he wont' etc etc...what will be the concensus? i'm just curious.

If Obama's reelected and does a good job with his second term, then congrats to him. We'll give him credit where credit is due.


Sadly, Obama won't be doing any of what he's promised, just like the last 4 years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0

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Obama was never a professor. His ability to practice law was removed.::sigh::


Yes.......... you are exactly right. 1.2T is more than twice 500b.... yet 1.2T is what we have when half of 500b by 2009 is what Obama promised when he was running for election the first time.I think 1.1T down from 1.5 in 3 years is pretty good and on par with debt reduction in history. The debt will continue to fall into 2013

[E36slide]

It's bad and worse with Obama. He will either continue to have stupid high deficits or lower it on the backs of our business' and tax payers. Romney says he can fix it without raising taxes, Obama says doing it without raising taxes is impossible. Soon as Obama gets done lip servicing america to get reelected, he will either raise taxes or continue to put us further in debt. It's going to be bad no matter what.

Obama hasnt made good on any of his promises, yet he continues to make promises and you continue to believe him. This is our only chance to hold him accountable for failure. After he gets reelected, there's nothing you can do about it.

There is no way to lower the deficit without taxing everyone. The problem that people have is Obama will target businesses and the rich (Romney's bff's).
Both will fail at budgeting the deficit without heavy taxing. Either way we're fucked. We need to just clone bill Clinton and vote him into office. Because anyone who's down with the bitches and hoes gets my vote.

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[Sinfix_15]

There is no way to lower the deficit without taxing everyone. The problem that people have is Obama will target businesses and the rich (Romney's bff's).
Both will fail at budgeting the deficit without heavy taxing. Either way we're fucked. We need to just clone bill Clinton and vote him into office. Because anyone who's down with the bitches and hoes gets my vote.

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The thing people like you dont understand is that the person who pays you to grab that shovel and crawl around in the mud for 70 hours a week is part of "Romney's BFFs" and that if you continue to raise taxes on business, theyre not going to just absorb the cost and call it a day, theyre going to compensate by not hiring someone like you or not giving someone like you a raise. Raising taxes should never be the answer. Raise tax payers. The US already has the highest corporate tax rate on the planet if it isnt raised another penny. Rather than complaining about jobs going to china, give them a reason to return to the US. Obama does not have the ability to recharge our economy. Passing the bill to "rich people" is not a respectable course for america to be on.

On the red part, if that's the case.... get out and vote for Romney. Look at the size of his family, he's been slinging the pole around like Ron Jeremy.

[metalmatt47]

There is no way to lower the deficit without taxing everyone. The problem that people have is Obama will target businesses and the rich (Romney's bff's).
Both will fail at budgeting the deficit without heavy taxing. Either way we're fucked. We need to just clone bill Clinton and vote him into office. Because anyone who's down with the bitches and hoes gets my vote.

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FALSE. Now lets think here.

Your bank account is in the red and Forza Horizon comes out.

Do you;

'A' Go buy it knowing that you can't afford to.
'B' Stop spending unnecessary money until you have money to spend.




Because the obvious answer to our countries deficit is to stop excess spending.

[Puddleglum]

Part of me hopes Obama gets re-elected just so ANYONE who voted for him will look like a complete idiot after he sells our country to China in the next 4yrs. The man is working to systematically destroy America and level it out with the rest of the world. I get so tired of hearing Dems. say "he's done the best he can after Bush". Do you not realize that the mess with subprime lending came about because of polices set forth in the CLINTON administration??

We can't let Obama get re-elected, but again part of me would like to see just how bad it gets if he were. Friggin Democrats man.

[Sinfix_15]

Part of me hopes Obama gets re-elected just so ANYONE who voted for him will look like a complete idiot after he sells our country to China in the next 4yrs. The man is working to systematically destroy America and level it out with the rest of the world. I get so tired of hearing Dems. say "he's done the best he can after Bush". Do you not realize that the mess with subprime lending came about because of polices set forth in the CLINTON administration??

We can't let Obama get re-elected, but again part of me would like to see just how bad it gets if he were. Friggin Democrats man.

If Obama gets reelected, we dont see another Dem for 20 years.... but i'm still scared to see how bad he can actually screw things up when he really gets to take his gloves off and not have to worry about elections anymore.

[metalmatt47]

Just want to let everyone know that this is our president.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM&feature=related

[Sinfix_15]

is case that wasnt very clear.............. this is also our president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=p9hZpJp7U3Y#t=22s

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t4-AKcH3eC8#t=1s

[E36slide]

The thing people like you dont understand is that the person who pays you to grab that shovel and crawl around in the mud for 70 hours a week is part of "Romney's BFFs" and that if you continue to raise taxes on business, theyre not going to just absorb the cost and call it a day, theyre going to compensate by not hiring someone like you or not giving someone like you a raise. Raising taxes should never be the answer. Raise tax payers. The US already has the highest corporate tax rate on the planet if it isnt raised another penny. Rather than complaining about jobs going to china, give them a reason to return to the US. Obama does not have the ability to recharge our economy. Passing the bill to "rich people" is not a respectable course for america to be on.

On the red part, if that's the case.... get out and vote for Romney. Look at the size of his family, he's been slinging the pole around like Ron Jeremy.

The way i see it is....

Would you rather eat dog shit?

Or would you rather eat horse shit?

To me both would equally taste like shit am i correct?

From watching the debates (giving i could careless who the fuck wins) I've noticed they talk in circles and just bash each other like two girls would trying to fill the last spot on a cheerleaders squad.
The problem is...their so shitty its hard to figure out which one is lease shitty. It's not like Romney is just overwhelming and is hands down just better. Their both all talk.


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[E36slide]

I bet this how Romney feels when Obama brings up his plan.....


http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Dmoney240/_facebook_-1371441494_.jpg



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[Sinfix_15]

The way i see it is....

Would you rather eat dog shit?

Or would you rather eat horse shit?

To me both would equally taste like shit am i correct?

From watching the debates (giving i could careless who the fuck wins) I've noticed they talk in circles and just bash each other like two girls would trying to fill the last spot on a cheerleaders squad.
The problem is...their so shitty its hard to figure out which one is lease shitty. It's not like Romney is just overwhelming and is hands down just better. Their both all talk.


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Hard to argue with this profound wisdom on display here.

[E36slide]

Hard to argue with this profound wisdom on display here.

I know right?

Just blows your mind don't it?

.....SHAKE AND BAKE.....

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[.blank cd]

FALSE. Now lets think here.

Your bank account is in the red and Forza Horizon comes out.

Do you;

'A' Go buy it knowing that you can't afford to.
'B' Stop spending unnecessary money until you have money to spend.




Because the obvious answer to our countries deficit is to stop excess spending.

The fact that you think that A and B are the only options lets me know exactly where you are intellectually.

[E36slide]

The fact that you think that A and B are the only options lets me know exactly where you are intellectually.

That's what I'm saying....


Bitch i have game fly.

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[Elbow]

God some of you people are stupid. Posting videos from anti-Obama posters that EVERY PRESIDENT has done, they're politicians, they lie, they stutter, hell Bush barely even spoke English.

You all focus only on BS negatives and ignore any success or positives. You say Obama said he would fix the country in his first term, I never heard that, I heard him say the changes would show after he was out of office. We all know politicians can barely remember what they said where to stay on the same story.

I also find it funny when half of the people that hate on Obama would benefit far greater from his actions than Romney. That's the stupidest part to me, so many kids listen to their parents talk they have no clue who is what. They just jump on a bandwagon.

[Sinfix_15]

The fact that you think that A and B are the only options lets me know exactly where you are intellectually.

It's a simple analogy. You dont spend what you dont have. Obviously that doesnt encapsulate our economy in a nutshell, but someone "where you are intellectually" should understand the premise.

[Elbow]

I can play the stupid game too: Mitt Romney: 99 Facts (http://thinkprogress.org/romney-facts/?mobile=nc)

[Sinfix_15]

God some of you people are stupid. Posting videos from anti-Obama posters that EVERY PRESIDENT has done, they're politicians, they lie, they stutter, hell Bush barely even spoke English.

You all focus only on BS negatives and ignore any success or positives. You say Obama said he would fix the country in his first term, I never heard that, I heard him say the changes would show after he was out of office. We all know politicians can barely remember what they said where to stay on the same story.

I also find it funny when half of the people that hate on Obama would benefit far greater from his actions than Romney. That's the stupidest part to me, so many kids listen to their parents talk they have no clue who is what. They just jump on a bandwagon.

Obama said he would cut the deficit in half in his first year, he tripled it and make excuses from that point forward. I've yet to see you talk about anything specific politically, yet you keep throwing stones about how and why people do or dont support Obama.

[Sinfix_15]

I can play the stupid game too: Mitt Romney: 99 Facts (http://thinkprogress.org/romney-facts/?mobile=nc)

You can judge Obama for what comes out of his own mouth no matter who posts the video. I posted a video of one of Obama's speeches and Blank completely disregarded it because it was on Fox news..... Fox news didnt give the speech, they just showed it. Fox news had no control over what came out of Obama's mouth.

[Elbow]

Obama said he would cut the deficit in half in his first year, he tripled it and make excuses from that point forward. I've yet to see you talk about anything specific politically, yet you keep throwing stones about how and why people do or dont support Obama.

OK? I do give many political points, but complaining about not cutting the deficit when he said he would isn't exactly a strong reason to hate someone.


You can judge Obama for what comes out of his own mouth no matter who posts the video. I posted a video of one of Obama's speeches and Blank completely disregarded it because it was on Fox news..... Fox news didnt give the speech, they just showed it. Fox news had no control over what came out of Obama's mouth.

I'm not Blank, so I don't really care.

[Sinfix_15]

OK? I do give many political points, but complaining about not cutting the deficit when he said he would isn't exactly a strong reason to hate someone.



I'm not Blank, so I don't really care.

in 2008 Obama acted like the 500b deficit was the end of the world. He then said he would cut it in half. He tripled it to bring the deficit up the highest in america's history by LARGE margin. In 4 years, Obama controls 30+% of America's debt in history. Obama has maintained record setting debt for 4 years. The 4 worst deficits in american history are 2009 Obama, 2010 Obama, 2011 Obama and 2012 Obama, with no close competitor even in the ballpark of his deficits. Bold numbers for someone who claimed they would cut it in half year 1. Just more empty promises that young cats like you continue to ignore because Obama is a likable guy.

meanwhile Obama is currently running a campaign based on his honesty and trustworthiness, spouting off lines like "you know when i say im going to do something i do it"....

that's why this is relevant. Obama's entire campaign is currently based on being a man of his word........ so pointing out blatant inaccuracies and failures of him to keep is word is more than fair game.

[BanginJimmy]

There is no way to lower the deficit without taxing everyone. The problem that people have is Obama will target businesses and the rich (Romney's bff's).
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There is also no way to tax enough to balance the budget without collapsing the economy.

And businesses dont pay taxes. You pay them in the form of higher prices.



Obama said he would cut the deficit in half in his first year,


No he didnt you idiot. I wont even let you know what he actually did say. I will let you look it up.

[Sinfix_15]

There is also no way to tax enough to balance the budget without collapsing the economy.

And businesses dont pay taxes. You pay them in the form of higher prices.





No he didnt you idiot. I wont even let you know what he actually did say. I will let you look it up.

First term... either way, still holds false. Apply Obama's own argument to himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SaQUU2ZL6D8#t=73s

[Sammich]

God some of you people are stupid. Posting videos from anti-Obama posters that EVERY PRESIDENT has done, they're politicians, they lie, they stutter, hell Bush barely even spoke English.

You all focus only on BS negatives and ignore any success or positives. You say Obama said he would fix the country in his first term, I never heard that, I heard him say the changes would show after he was out of office. We all know politicians can barely remember what they said where to stay on the same story.

I also find it funny when half of the people that hate on Obama would benefit far greater from his actions than Romney. That's the stupidest part to me, so many kids listen to their parents talk they have no clue who is what. They just jump on a bandwagon.

this is what i'm saying...i never see ANY positives in what he's done, solely negative...and all of a sudden because i'm trying ot be a voice of reason i'm damn near called a black panther..WTF

[Sinfix_15]

this is what i'm saying...i never see ANY positives in what he's done, solely negative...and all of a sudden because i'm trying ot be a voice of reason i'm damn near called a black panther..WTF

There's not a lot to chose from, nor should we feel the need to have to search for things good to say about Obama, especially not when so many others blindly worship the guy for no reason.

[Sinfix_15]

God some of you people are stupid. Posting videos from anti-Obama posters that EVERY PRESIDENT has done, they're politicians, they lie, they stutter, hell Bush barely even spoke English.

You all focus only on BS negatives and ignore any success or positives. You say Obama said he would fix the country in his first term, I never heard that, I heard him say the changes would show after he was out of office. We all know politicians can barely remember what they said where to stay on the same story.

I also find it funny when half of the people that hate on Obama would benefit far greater from his actions than Romney. That's the stupidest part to me, so many kids listen to their parents talk they have no clue who is what. They just jump on a bandwagon.

well, make sure your volume is on when you listen to the speech i posted above.

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There's plenty to choose from, but I don't want to take two seconds to search for anything because it doesn't reaffirm my blind hatred for him.

I fixed this so it was more accurate

[E36slide]

I fixed this so it was more accurate

Lol

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[Sinfix_15]

I fixed this so it was more accurate

I dont hate Obama. Truthfully, i dislike Romney more than i do Obama....... on a personal level. I am not a republican. I lean far left on social issues. Obama is not a good president. It's that simple. Did you take a glance at the poll results above by any chance?

I liked Ron Paul.
I accept Romney.

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I dont hate Obama. Truthfully, i dislike Romney more than i do Obama....... on a personal level. I am not a republican. I lean far left on social issues. Obama is not a good president. It's that simple. Did you take a glance at the poll results above by any chance?

I liked Ron Paul.
I accept Romney.

Yeah. I see the poll. The results don't tell me anything at all, nor do they surprise me.

[l Gizzy l]

Jimmy, can I hear your input? You know more than all of these guys combined, i bet.

What's your feelings about said situation/poll?

[Sinfix_15]

Yeah. I see the poll. The results don't tell me anything at all, nor do they surprise me.

The results **should** tell you, if nothing else... that i am not alone in my opinion. Yes, i can 110% agree... i am not surprised at all either :taun:

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It tells me that, in a red state, someone will vote for Mitt Romney ::gasp::

[E36slide]

I voted for mickey mouse......


Seriously.

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[BanginJimmy]

Jimmy, can I hear your input? You know more than all of these guys combined, i bet.

What's your feelings about said situation/poll?








It tells me that, in a red state, someone will vote for Mitt Romney ::gasp::

There is your answer.

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[Vteckidd]

I didn't know every smart individual voted for Romney. Sorry.

If we're talking about politics and saying what helps you then Romney is an idiot. He wants to win but pushes hispanics, women, blacks, and poor away. If he was smart then he would try to win them versus targeting rich white men only. Smart politician right there.


Proof this is actually happening.

Ive never heard Romney say anything about not caring about those people. ESPECIALLY in that gender/race context.

I however, assume you mean the 47% comment. I think its EXTREMELY RACIST for your to believe that only blacks, hispanics and women are part of that demographic. That group actually, is predominantly white (at least on foodstamps from studies i have seen).

What he said was correct, you just dont like hearing the truth. What he said was that there is a section of the population that LIKES handouts, that LIKES free stuff, and Obama panders to that crowd. PERIOD. Romney cant do ANYTHING to sway those people.

Obama cant do anything to sway the conservative right people either.

ITS THE SAME SHIT, ITS NOT OFFENSIVE AT ALL.

My ignorant comment pertains not to who you support, BUT WHY YOU SUPPORT THEM. You are a hypocrite. If you like Obama because you believe in his policies, just say it. Dont type out 3 pages of shit that makes no sense trying to justify it.

[Vteckidd]

In FEB 2009, AFTER the economic collapse, AFTER stim 1 and TARP, Obama KNEW what kind of situation we were in. AND he pledged to cut the deficit in half. He lieks to act like the deficit exploded because it was worse off then he though, but that is a LIE, he knew EXACTLY where we were. The Dow had tanked already, he knew what crisis we were in and he made that promise anyway.

He also said UE would be UNDER 8% by 2010, it wasnt until 2012 that we saw this (and theres no indication its truly lower considering the amount of poeple out of the work force).

those are 2, big, gargantuan lies, i cannot live with.

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I however, assume you mean the 47% comment. I think its EXTREMELY RACIST for your to believe that only blacks, hispanics and women are part of that demographic. That group actually, is predominantly white (at least on foodstamps from studies i have seen).It's about equal, but its a greater percentage of black Americans

[Vteckidd]

It's about equal, but its a greater percentage of black Americans

theres worthless people who game the system. Theres no reason to specify race, IMO of course

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In FEB 2009, AFTER the economic collapse, AFTER stim 1 and TARP, Obama KNEW what kind of situation we were in. AND he pledged to cut the deficit in half. He lieks to act like the deficit exploded because it was worse off then he though, but that is a LIE, he knew EXACTLY where we were. The Dow had tanked already, he knew what crisis we were in and he made that promise anyway.

He also said UE would be UNDER 8% by 2010, it wasnt until 2012 that we saw this (and theres no indication its truly lower considering the amount of poeple out of the work force).

those are 2, big, gargantuan lies, i cannot live with.
Maybe he knew, but I don't think he could have anticipated the shear magnitude of "conservative" interventionism

[Vteckidd]

Maybe he knew, but I don't think he could have anticipated the shear magnitude of "conservative" interventionism

2 years, complete control of congress. There wasnt anything the conservatives could do to stop him. Case in point Obamacare. Despite massive GOP opposition, it didnt matter, it passed, and theres noting the GOP can do about it.

He said he would go LINE BY LINE over the budget, what has he cut?

He made promises on the economic side he didnt delvier on. Ok maybe LIE is a strong word, failure is more accurate.

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Why does the supermajority in 09-10 matter? If 2011 is the right year for revenue increases, why does it have to be completely taken off the table?

[Sammich]

There's not a lot to chose from, nor should we feel the need to have to search for things good to say about Obama, especially not when so many others blindly worship the guy for no reason.

i guess you're not blindly worshipping Romney?

[Sammich]

SN: i'm going to try to ignore the political section from here on out. Good luck to me

[Paul]

Am I better off than 4 years ago? Yes.

Did I see an increase in my income? Yes.

Do I pay more in taxes? Yes. (Top 5% bracket as well)

Do I feel anything Obama has done has directly affected me? Not really, but I think he has been able to stabilize the bleeding our country was seeing.

Do I feel 8 years of Republican rule got us into this mess? Yes.

Solution... raise taxes on the rich b/c they can afford it. I don't know many politicians, ceo's, silver spoon recipients complaining about how to pay their bills. Close loop holes in tax system that allow Top 1% to exploit the system. Stop pushing the idea if we don't tax them they will create jobs b/c it is a farce it didn't work in the last 8 years and it won't work now. Most of call we need to cut Military spending b/c decades of war doesn't stabilize an economy. Student loans need to get address as they are more than CC debt. Look for ways to truly help the middle class not holding them hostage to help your constituents. It doesn't matter blue/red, dem/rep they are all crooks. No matter how you slice it.

[BanginJimmy]

Why does the supermajority in 09-10 matter? If 2011 is the right year for revenue increases, why does it have to be completely taken off the table?

Please do the math and look at the level of revenue increases needed to make even a marginal dent in the deficit.

Paul, that goes for you too.

Spending is the problem, not revenue. The economy would collapse in a matter of hours if tax increases high enough to balance the budget over the next decade were enacted.

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[.blank cd]

Am I better off than 4 years ago? Yes.

Did I see an increase in my income? Yes.

Do I pay more in taxes? Yes. (Top 5% bracket as well)

Do I feel anything Obama has done has directly affected me? Not really, but I think he has been able to stabilize the bleeding our country was seeing.

Do I feel 8 years of Republican rule got us into this mess? Yes.

Solution... raise taxes on the rich b/c they can afford it. I don't know many politicians, ceo's, silver spoon recipients complaining about how to pay their bills. Close loop holes in tax system that allow Top 1% to exploit the system. Stop pushing the idea if we don't tax them they will create jobs b/c it is a farce it didn't work in the last 8 years and it won't work now. Most of call we need to cut Military spending b/c decades of war doesn't stabilize an economy. Student loans need to get address as they are more than CC debt. Look for ways to truly help the middle class not holding them hostage to help your constituents. It doesn't matter blue/red, dem/rep they are all crooks. No matter how you slice it.Its so refreshing to hear the opinion of someone who got wealthy on his own initiatives, that revenue increases are part of a balanced budget and not an end all solution and that those with hoards of currency are the best place to start.

This is the best god damn response in this section of all time. I'd rep you twice if I could

[Vteckidd]

Paul, respectfully, you are the exception no the rule.

Median Income has gone down in the last 4 years.

Explain to me how taxing the rich changes that? Are we just planning to cut a check to them?

GOP is not solely responsible for the economic collapse, see Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Democratic led Fannie Freddie. Both parties are responsible. 50% down the line. Free cheap housing was a ploy to buy votes for the democrats, then Wall Street, backed by republicans, decided to insure and securitize the bad mortgages to make money on the loans being pushed. Bush is not the devil, never was. The problem actually started with Carter, and was unaddressed and pushed heavily by Clinton. Bush did nothing to stop it, and hired a GS employee who decided it was ok to let the banks leverage 80% over assets on hand.

As far as taxes, why do you think your income went up? Probably because your boss made enough money to justify a raise. But, ive advocated letting the bush tax cuts expire, that is raising taxes on the rich. But , i would be in favor of lowering corporate rates.

Show me how increasing costs on a business directly leads to hiring. Im waiting. Ask your CEO that if his taxes were raised 10% would he consider hiring more people?

If raising taxes on the RICH raises only 100 billion or less, is it worth the risk? Why are we putting all our eggs in 100 billion dollars?

[Vteckidd]

Its so refreshing to hear the opinion of someone who got wealthy on his own initiatives, that revenue increases are part of a balanced budget and not an end all solution and that those with hoards of currency are the best place to start.

This is the best god damn response in this section of all time. I'd rep you twice if I could
Again, explain how going after someone elses money, helps the middle class.

[Paul]

Paul, respectfully, you are the exception no the rule.

Median Income has gone down in the last 4 years.

Explain to me how taxing the rich changes that? Are we just planning to cut a check to them?

GOP is not solely responsible for the economic collapse, see Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Democratic led Fannie Freddie. Both parties are responsible. 50% down the line. Free cheap housing was a ploy to buy votes for the democrats, then Wall Street, backed by republicans, decided to insure and securitize the bad mortgages to make money on the loans being pushed. Bush is not the devil, never was. The problem actually started with Carter, and was unaddressed and pushed heavily by Clinton. Bush did nothing to stop it, and hired a GS employee who decided it was ok to let the banks leverage 80% over assets on hand.

As far as taxes, why do you think your income went up? Probably because your boss made enough money to justify a raise. But, ive advocated letting the bush tax cuts expire, that is raising taxes on the rich. But , i would be in favor of lowering corporate rates.

Show me how increasing costs on a business directly leads to hiring. Im waiting. Ask your CEO that if his taxes were raised 10% would he consider hiring more people?

If raising taxes on the RICH raises only 100 billion or less, is it worth the risk? Why are we putting all our eggs in 100 billion dollars?

I have a couple of things in my favor... I'm white, educated, work in a good field (IT), I have experience, I live in a metropolitan area and I work for a company that is cash positive that has a very active owner. The prerecession mentality is lets have 3 people do what 1 person can do, lets buy it on a credit card, etc. You can't look for things to get better you have to make it happen. My biggest issue with Bush was the WMD ploy to get us into two wars that have spanned over a decade. You want to cut spending you don't create wars. We can't point the fingers just at Reps b/c they are all idiots but Reps had 8 years and control. You can't expect Obama to right the wrongs of multiple terms in 4 years. Lots of issues we see today were decisions that were made prior to his administration. We should be cutting everywhere. Mitt likes to paint the 47% like they are the issue but the issue is in Congress/Senate. You don't see Rep talking about cutting Military budget which is the biggest, or farm subsides why is that? I'm sorry but Mitt is an awful choice b/c the guy has no integrity. He ran as a democrat to beat a democrat for Governorship. Even then he couldn't make up his mind. This guy will only go to the highest bidder. I understand the frustration with Obama, I voted for him, but given the choice Mitt isn't the answer. I want to see more than one legitimate choice b/c neither are GREAT but is there ever a GREAT choice? I would vote Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

[Paul]

As for raising taxes on the rich, if you think people making over 1 million a year are going to be hurt by paying their FAIR share of taxes you are mistaken. This tactic was pushed under Bush and still didn't help us from crumbling. You trying to justify why Mitt can pay 14% while a teach should pay 2x that? You will never win that argument as the math will never work out. I'm sorry but it is the same ole story richer getting richer while the poor get poorer. Reps try to make it sound like taxing people making over 1mil a year will stop job grow but this is farce b/c more jobs are created in the private sector and they aren't making millions. My owner if taxed more would figure out more ways to beat the system and pay less. My company is still hiring in a down economy. Why? Good business practices. This is why DC has yet to figure out. "Bridge to no where" ring a bell? Reps can criticize Dems all they want but their hands are always out as well. My favorite line in the debates was Ryan attacking Biden for his stimulus support then Biden says you sent me personal letters asking for money. It is on both sides.

[Sammich]

but is there ever a GREAT choice?

this deserves an epic amount of round of applause, jeeeeeeeeeeezus

[BanginJimmy]

As for raising taxes on the rich, if you think people making over 1 million a year are going to be hurt by paying their FAIR share of taxes you are mistaken.

You lost any chance to make a point right here so I quit reading. Instead of using idiotic rhetoric, use something based in reality. Right now the rich pay FAR more than a fair share using whatever measure you would like to use.

Do a little experiment for me. You don't have to put any numbers out there but post up your effective tax rate. My guess is it is FAR lower than you think. Probably lower than Romneys.


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[RandomGuy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQye2ykp2rU

The media will only back two candidates.

[metalmatt47]

The fact that you think that A and B are the only options lets me know exactly where you are intellectually.

Really? Because there aren't enough letters in the alphabet to list EVERY out option.


But the simple fact that you look at what I said as close minded as "option 'A' and 'B" really shows me your mental capacity for thought.



Either that or you really like Obama, and can't stand the simple facts.

[nelson9995]

My ignorant comment pertains not to who you support, BUT WHY YOU SUPPORT THEM. You are a hypocrite. If you like Obama because you believe in his policies, just say it. Dont type out 3 pages of shit that makes no sense trying to justify it.

If I'm for Obama its obvious I believe in his policies. I never said I didn't.

[nelson9995]

Check the results of this poll, speaks for itself.

WE ARE IN GA... Of course the results are going to be what they are.

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Really? Because there aren't enough letters in the alphabet to list EVERY out option.


But the simple fact that you look at what I said as close minded as "option 'A' and 'B" really shows me your mental capacity for thought.



Either that or you really like Obama, and can't stand the simple facts.
LOL. Don't you worry about my "mental capacity for thought". You listed A and B as an only option. But since you think there are more options, care to go over a couple options other than the A and B?

[metalmatt47]

LOL. Don't you worry about my "mental capacity for thought". You listed A and B as an only option. But since you think there are more options, care to go over a couple options other than the A and B?

Who gives a shit what the other options are? No matter what I say, you're going to try and pick it apart, just like my original post.


My point was made and my example was simply that: an example. Honestly, I really don't give a shit. :goodjob:

Fact is, no matter what i say you're going to oppose it because that's the ImportAtlanta.com way. We can go on and on for hours about steps A-Z but it really is pointless.



Now go ahead, prove my point.








RONPAUL2012.

[Sinfix_15]

i guess you're not blindly worshipping Romney?

Nope, ive stated many reasons why i feel the way i feel. Also, most of this forum have also restated the same reasons. Vteckidd has practically wrote you an essay explaining how Obama has failed. You refuse to listen. Romney could cure cancer tomorrow and you will still vote for or support Obama. Your support is blind, i am making a conscience decision.

[Sinfix_15]

WE ARE IN GA... Of course the results are going to be what they are.

So every republican thinks Obama is the worst president of all time?

[Sinfix_15]

I have a couple of things in my favor... I'm white, educated, work in a good field (IT), I have experience, I live in a metropolitan area and I work for a company that is cash positive that has a very active owner. The prerecession mentality is lets have 3 people do what 1 person can do, lets buy it on a credit card, etc. You can't look for things to get better you have to make it happen. My biggest issue with Bush was the WMD ploy to get us into two wars that have spanned over a decade. You want to cut spending you don't create wars. We can't point the fingers just at Reps b/c they are all idiots but Reps had 8 years and control. You can't expect Obama to right the wrongs of multiple terms in 4 years. Lots of issues we see today were decisions that were made prior to his administration. We should be cutting everywhere. Mitt likes to paint the 47% like they are the issue but the issue is in Congress/Senate. You don't see Rep talking about cutting Military budget which is the biggest, or farm subsides why is that? I'm sorry but Mitt is an awful choice b/c the guy has no integrity. He ran as a democrat to beat a democrat for Governorship. Even then he couldn't make up his mind. This guy will only go to the highest bidder. I understand the frustration with Obama, I voted for him, but given the choice Mitt isn't the answer. I want to see more than one legitimate choice b/c neither are GREAT but is there ever a GREAT choice? I would vote Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

Good thing you're white, otherwise that education wouldnt have soaked in, right?

Mitt's 47% comment was very insensitive but 100% true. People dont always like to hear the truth.

[Elbow]

Good thing you're white, otherwise that education wouldnt have soaked in, right?

Mitt's 47% comment was very insensitive but 100% true. People dont always like to hear the truth.

You think almost half of this country expects something?

[Vteckidd]

You think almost half of this country expects something?

no, he was talking about the voting population. At the time he made his comments, Obama had 47% polling average (REMEMBER, NO ONE HAS BROKEN 50% Since conventions UNTIL 2 weeks ago when Romney did it).

His comments were that there are 47% of people (IE OBAMA VOTERS) who , despite what Romney says, they will not vote for him. They view him as a wealthy rich white guy who represents everything they dont want. If Romney promised to give everyone a job paying $60k a year, they still wouldnt vote for him. That was his point.

AND, the dirty secret is, he may not be statistically correct, but there is a lot of truth to his statement.

Foodstamps- 16 million more people on them since Obama took office
UE- 99 weeks now
1 in 6 americans are in Poverty
Healthcare is designed to be free to low income families (which it kinda already is, but OC is designed to remove private insurance companies)
Free BC to women

Theres a ton of other stats that show that the govt assistance programs are WAY UP. Most of you will say its because of the recession. Ill remind you its 4 years since the collapse, and 6 trillion dollars later.



Now, is EVERY democrat a social welfare recipient? absolutely not. But i think if we are all being honest here we would say people who are predominantly white middle class to upper class are republican, democrats tend to be middle class minority and down. Now there are poor GOP people (ME HAHA) and there are RICH Democrats (Kerry, Obama, Buffet) etc.

Heres what Romney was talking about, she doesnt represent all democrats , but its a larger section of the population than you want to believe
Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)

[nelson9995]

Heres what Romney was talking about, she doesnt represent all democrats , but its a larger section of the population than you want to believe
Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)

now I can agree with you if you call that lady ignorant/idiot.

[Sinfix_15]

You think almost half of this country expects something?

You're focusing on the wrong part of it and missing the point. Romney is saying that Obama has a large portion of followers that basically support him for the wrong reason unconditionally and theyre gonna vote for him no matter what. They support him because they like the policies that are ruining america. They like food stamps, hand outs and all of the above. Keep in mind that he's speaking to his base. What he was trying to accomplish is a "kick in the ass" to energize his supporters to get it in gear. saying "hey look, this Obama guy has a big advantage here..... he's got a lot of supporters that we absolutely know there's no chance that we can convert because theyre not even gonna give us the time of day, so you need to get out there and make sure all of our supporters vote"

His comment was insensitive, but true. I'm certain its not 47%.... but a large portion of people are voting for Obama for the wrong reason and also not even listening to what Romney has to say for the wrong reasons too.

A person who likes being on food stamps and thinks the government should pay for your gas and cellphone is not going to be convinced to vote for you because you offer them a job. They dont want jobs and dont care anything about debt. Not every Obama supporter is a lazy moron, but every lazy moron will probably vote for Obama.

[Sinfix_15]

Simon, Sammich

Humor me if you dont mind. Make out a list of everything you find wrong with Romney. List it out and number it.

[nelson9995]

Simon, Sammich

Humor me if you dont mind. Make out a list of everything you find wrong with Romney. List it out and number it.

Please do the same. I want to see your insight on Obama.

[Sinfix_15]

Please do the same. I want to see your insight on Obama.

You even asking me this is hilarious...... i could write a book about the failures of Obama.... and believe it or not.... people already have wrote books about the failures of Obama. Obama is an absolute failure of a president and it will be very easy for me to lay out a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG list of his failures. Soon as this Florida Georgia game is over, i will gladly oblige you.

How about you join in also, lay out the list of reasons you dislike Romney. I can already see that this is going to end up hilarious because everything wrong with Romney, is also wrong with Obama... difference is, Romney didnt run up historically high deficits, lower the credit rating or freeze the economy.

I'm gonna be honest with you. If you cant see anything wrong with Obama, it's because youre not looking. Even being an Obama supporter automatically makes me question your intelligence.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bbkq-sfIL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

[Vteckidd]

now I can agree with you if you call that lady ignorant/idiot.

She is, its wrong to characterize all obama voters that way because i do not believe that. I know very smart educated people who just happen to believe in liberal policies.

But, having said that, look at the statistics, "welfare" spending (NOT WELFARE PROGRAM), IE govt money people get, is way up. The woman in that video, is part of a much larger subsection of voting population than you want to admit, i guarantee it.

Those people, no matter what Romney says, they will never vote for him.

Im sure you could find some racist redneck white people doing similar things that No matter what Obama says, theyll never vote for him.

[Vteckidd]

Please do the same. I want to see your insight on Obama.

1) Inability to work with congress across the aisle. Make excuses all you want, all previous administrations have done it.
2) Exploding the deficit despite claiming he would cut it, while calling Bush "unpatriotic" for running 1 trillion in deficits over 8 years. (Obama is 1+ trillion PER YEAR)
3) Weak to no economic policies. He passed Stim 1, and has done nothing since.
4) Asking rich to pay fair share but never explaining what it will do to the economy (because he knows it solves nothing).

Thats my main 4 gripes.

[nelson9995]

Even being an Obama supporter automatically makes me question your intelligence.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bbkq-sfIL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

Come on man. Really? lol
That statement makes me question you lol.


She is, its wrong to characterize all obama voters that way because i do not believe that. I know very smart educated people who just happen to believe in liberal policies.

But, having said that, look at the statistics, "welfare" spending (NOT WELFARE PROGRAM), IE govt money people get, is way up. The woman in that video, is part of a much larger subsection of voting population than you want to admit, i guarantee it.

Those people, no matter what Romney says, they will never vote for him.

Im sure you could find some racist redneck white people doing similar things that No matter what Obama says, theyll never vote for him.

I agree with you here.


1) Inability to work with congress across the aisle. Make excuses all you want, all previous administrations have done it.
2) Exploding the deficit despite claiming he would cut it, while calling Bush "unpatriotic" for running 1 trillion in deficits over 8 years. (Obama is 1+ trillion PER YEAR)
3) Weak to no economic policies. He passed Stim 1, and has done nothing since.
4) Asking rich to pay fair share but never explaining what it will do to the economy (because he knows it solves nothing).

Thats my main 4 gripes.

3) He's done MANY things... like he mentioned on debate 2. I will not list them again.
4) He has broken down time after time how it will affect the economy. It's one thing if you believe whether they will work or not.

[Vteckidd]

3) He's done MANY things... like he mentioned on debate 2. I will not list them again.
4) He has broken down time after time how it will affect the economy. It's one thing if you believe whether they will work or not.

3) What specific legislation has he passed? refresh my memory, post 3.

All i can count is Stim 1. Thats it. I do not count extending UE benefits and "investing" in green jobs as policies , especially when most of the investment has lost us everything.

4) He has not, find me something where he says "After we receive the extra tax revenue we will......................". Like i said earlier, it adds up to 100 billion or less, if he really needs that money, WHY NOT JUST SPEND IT? He doesnt need the extra revenue, its a talking point designed to get the poor pissed off at the Rich, instead of focusing on how to solve the bigger issue

[nelson9995]

3) What specific legislation has he passed? refresh my memory, post 3.

All i can count is Stim 1. Thats it. I do not count extending UE benefits and "investing" in green jobs as policies , especially when most of the investment has lost us everything.

4) He has not, find me something where he says "After we receive the extra tax revenue we will......................". Like i said earlier, it adds up to 100 billion or less, if he really needs that money, WHY NOT JUST SPEND IT? He doesnt need the extra revenue, its a talking point designed to get the poor pissed off at the Rich, instead of focusing on how to solve the bigger issue

3) Saving GM which saved thousands of jobs... Which kept people with thousands of houses and money to spend and pay taxes.
Got us out of a war.
Housing market is going up (Please don't deny it)
etc... There are more

4) He has explained what he will with the money coming in. You know this.
What Romney doesn't understand is that those people that will lose welfare, foodstamps, healthcare, etc... will not go away. They will still be out there. What do you think is going to happen?
It'll be more expensive then since we'll have to start building jails and start imprisoning people. lol

[Vteckidd]

3) Saving GM which saved thousands of jobs... Which kept people with thousands of houses and money to spend and pay taxes.
Got us out of a war.
Housing market is going up (Please don't deny it)
etc... There are more


Those arent policies, and he hasnt done anything to help any of them. Saving GM ...........if you mean spending 80 billion to save a company that was tanking because of horrible business deals and shitty products, and they still owe us, then i dont know if i count that as a positive.

So you must be for the bank bailouts then right?

I mean if youre for bailing out companies at least be consistent.

Housing market isnt recovering, its better for sure, but forclosures actually accelerated this year. I dont know what makes you think the market is ok. I know people in real estate that will strongly disagree with you.

4) He has explained what he will with the money coming in. You know this.
What Romney doesn't understand is that those people that will lose welfare, foodstamps, healthcare, etc... will not go away. They will still be out there. What do you think is going to happen?
It'll be more expensive then since we'll have to start building jails and start imprisoning people. lol

I totally have no clue what you are saying. Dumb it down for me. Romney has never advocated for taking anyones social welfare away?

He hasnt not said what the extra revenue will go to. He has mentioned paying down the deficit, but we accumulate close to 400 billion in interest a year alone. So please save me the 100 billion makes a dent in the deficit argument.

Explain to me how the extra 100 billion helps middle class or poor people. Again, if its ONLY 100 billion standing between us an economic prosperity, why doesnt he just SPEND THE 100 billion?

[Sinfix_15]

In no specific order of importance.

#1 The 4 highest deficits in the history of the united states are 2009 Obama, 2010 Obama, 2011 Obama, 2012 Obama.

#2 Obama talked like Bush's deficits were the end of the world, then he tripled Bush's deficit his first year in office.

#3 Obama's campaign is nothing but smear tactics, he claims Romney said "let the auto industry die" and is even bold enough to stand in front of a national audience and claim that Romney would have liquidated the auto industry which is absolutely fucking retarded, when Romney really said..... and i quote. "A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs". Obama's "bailout" was nothing more than a bankruptcy itself.

#4 Obama blames his failure on a republican majority, even though Bush's last 2 years of his 8 year presidency and Obama's first 2 years came under a democratic majority.

#5 Obama's entire campaign strategy this year since he doesnt actually have a record to run on is to call Romney a liar and make everything about fact checking, he must realize that his base doesnt check facts because if they did, they would see that Obama is a habitual liar.

#6 You didnt build that, someone else built that.

#7 Obama panders to whatever audience he is standing in front of..... he sounds like Wayne Brady in front a white audience and Fred Sanford in front of a black audience. He makes promises to minorities to buy their vote.

#8 Obama lied about his relationship with Rev Wright. He's on video speaking of Wright as his mentor and life long friend, then when Wright became volatile, he acted like he hardly knew him.

#9 18 green energy companies that Obama gave billions in stimulus to have filed for bankruptcy.

#10 Obama rejected keystone pipeline. Obama's appointed director of EPA has been caught on camera saying he went after oil companies and compared it to the Romans crucifying to send a message.

#11 Unemployment rate kinda speaks for itself.

#12 Obama demonizes Romney's stance on birth control, he doesnt want to ban it, he just doesnt feel the government should pay for it. It seems like the only way Obama knows how to support a cause is to pay for it. Romney giving the employer the choice to not cover contraceptives is intended for church establishments.

#13 Row V Wade would not ban abortions..... it would simply defer that the decision to the state. A large portion of Romney's accused "flip flops" are a result of him deferring to the state. Romney's stance in general is that some decisions should be left to the state. Obviously Obama demonizes this at his convenience.

#14 Obama "spikes the football" on every military conquest while refusing to take blame when soldiers die on his watch. He demonizes water boarding while approving drove strikes that often result in civilian casualties. I guess a criminals head being held under water is worse than a civilian being bombed by a radio controlled plane.

#15 Gas was $1.79 when Obama took office.

#16 Obama's staff had the voter intimidation charges for black panther members dropped even though they were filmed in violation. Thanx to Obama... " The cracker killer " didnt have to serve any jail time.

#17 Agree or disagree with auto insurance mandate............................... but Obama is the only president in the history of the US to require by law for american citizens to purchase something from a 3rd party. I view this as a 1st step.... not to mention that Obamacare followed this up.

#18 Obama won a noble peace prize for being the first black president and not because of his accolades.

#19 http://snopes.com/politics/graphics/anthem.jpg

#20 Even with the highest deficit in american history and a country in turmoil, Obama has played 75 rounds of golf, been on 17 vacations, Michelle has 22 personal servants and they pay their dog trainer $102k....... with tax payer money, not private funds.

You could literally go on and on and on and on and on and on...........................

[nelson9995]

In no specific order of importance.

#1 The 4 highest deficits in the history of the united states are 2009 Obama, 2010 Obama, 2011 Obama, 2012 Obama.

#2 Obama talked like Bush's deficits were the end of the world, then he tripled Bush's deficit his first year in office.

#3 Obama's campaign is nothing but smear tactics, he claims Romney said "let the auto industry die" and is even bold enough to stand in front of a national audience and claim that Romney would have liquidated the auto industry which is absolutely fucking retarded, when Romney really said..... and i quote. "A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs". Obama's "bailout" was nothing more than a bankruptcy itself.

#4 Obama blames his failure on a republican majority, even though Bush's last 2 years of his 8 year presidency and Obama's first 2 years came under a democratic majority.

#5 Obama's entire campaign strategy this year since he doesnt actually have a record to run on is to call Romney a liar and make everything about fact checking, he must realize that his base doesnt check facts because if they did, they would see that Obama is a habitual liar.

#6 You didnt build that, someone else built that.

#7 Obama panders to whatever audience he is standing in front of..... he sounds like Wayne Brady in front a white audience and Fred Sanford in front of a black audience. He makes promises to minorities to buy their vote.

#8 Obama lied about his relationship with Rev Wright. He's on video speaking of Wright as his mentor and life long friend, then when Wright became volatile, he acted like he hardly knew him.

#9 18 green energy companies that Obama gave billions in stimulus to have filed for bankruptcy.

#10 Obama rejected keystone pipeline. Obama's appointed director of EPA has been caught on camera saying he went after oil companies and compared it to the Romans crucifying to send a message.

#11 Unemployment rate kinda speaks for itself.

#12 Obama demonizes Romney's stance on birth control, he doesnt want to ban it, he just doesnt feel the government should pay for it. It seems like the only way Obama knows how to support a cause is to pay for it. Romney giving the employer the choice to not cover contraceptives is intended for church establishments.

#13 Row V Wade would not ban abortions..... it would simply defer that the decision to the state. A large portion of Romney's accused "flip flops" are a result of him deferring to the state. Romney's stance in general is that some decisions should be left to the state. Obviously Obama demonizes this at his convenience.

#14 Obama "spikes the football" on every military conquest while refusing to take blame when soldiers die on his watch. He demonizes water boarding while approving drove strikes that often result in civilian casualties. I guess a criminals head being held under water is worse than a civilian being bombed by a radio controlled plane.

#15 Gas was $1.79 when Obama took office.

#16 Obama's staff had the voter intimidation charges for black panther members dropped even though they were filmed in violation. Thanx to Obama... " The cracker killer " didnt have to serve any jail time.

#17 Agree or disagree with auto insurance mandate............................... but Obama is the only president in the history of the US to require by law for american citizens to purchase something from a 3rd party. I view this as a 1st step.... not to mention that Obamacare followed this up.

#18 Obama won a noble peace prize for being the first black president and not because of his accolades.

#19 http://snopes.com/politics/graphics/anthem.jpg

#20 Even with the highest deficit in american history and a country in turmoil, Obama has played 75 rounds of golf, been on 17 vacations, Michelle has 22 personal servants and they pay their dog trainer $102k....... with tax payer money, not private funds.

You could literally go on and on and on and on and on and on...........................

I'll be honest. I'm not as educated about Romney as you are Obama. BUT, I am 100% sure I can find someone as educated as you about Romney to post at least 30 things why Romney shouldn't be president. Same with Obama.

[nelson9995]

I don't agree nor does Obama that Economic Prosperity is 100 billion away. Just like Romney hasn't said cutting down social programs will lead us to economic prosperity.

[BanginJimmy]

I'll be honest. I'm not as educated about Romney as you are Obama. BUT, I am 100% sure I can find someone as educated as you about Romney to post at least 30 things why Romney shouldn't be president. Same with Obama.

So you dont know much, if anything, about Romney or his policy proposals but still know Obama's are better? Sounds like you are just a democrat robot. You will vote for ANYONE as long as they have a D next to their name.

[Sinfix_15]

I'll be honest. I'm not as educated about Romney as you are Obama. BUT, I am 100% sure I can find someone as educated as you about Romney to post at least 30 things why Romney shouldn't be president. Same with Obama.

Here's the thing.....

The criticism of Obama is "THIS HAPPENED"
The criticism of Romney is "THIS MIGHT HAPPEN"

Obama and Obama supporters, if theyre honest with themselves, know that Obama does not deserve a 2nd term. He has done nothing to earn a 2nd term......

so the only course of action if to try and convince people that Romney is too bad of an alternative. That's why i asked you, tell me whats so wrong with Romney.

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I was gonna fact check Sinfix, but with all the falsehoods, my Internet would break.

[Sinfix_15]

Bus loads of somalians that dont speak english being delivered to the polls and instructed to vote for Obama in Ohio. This is why worthless sacks of shit like Rolland Martin get on TV every day and bitch about early voting rights..... it gives them more time to organize shit like this. Obama campaign would load up cattle and sheep to deliver to the polls if they were allowed to vote.......

oh wait, they already do deliver sheep.
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Ohio Voter Fraud Reports Now Circulating - The Ulsterman Report (http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/10/27/ohio-voter-fraud-reports-now-circulating/)

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I'll be honest. I'm not as educated about Romney as you are Obama. BUT, I am 100% sure I can find someone as educated as you about Romney to post at least 30 things why Romney shouldn't be president. Same with Obama.

Hey. I came as soon as I could

[Sinfix_15]

I was gonna fact check Sinfix, but with all the falsehoods, my Internet would break.

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

That's you Blank..... it's not that you're stupid at all.

[Sinfix_15]

Hey. I came as soon as I could

Lets do this 1 at a time blank..... so you cant bury the truth in a pile of liberal bullshit.

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"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

That's you Blank..... it's not that you're stupid at all.

So you admit you are a "liberal"? Lol

[Sinfix_15]

Blank,

Highest deficit in the history of the united states was 459 billion prior to Obama.

Obama's 4 deficits are 1.4 trillion, 1.3 trillion, 1.3 trillion and 1.1 trillion.

Bush's highest deficit was with democratic majority. Obama's highest deficit was also with democratic majority. Explain.

[Sinfix_15]

So you admit you are a "liberal"? Lol

I already covered you prior to you even entering this thread Blank. See #5.

[Sinfix_15]

Everyone please enjoy this picture while we wait for Blank's response.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fsi1xNY8iYo/TTTqqj5ynVI/AAAAAAAAAT4/dfjGzAm_NIE/s320/DEMOCRAT%2BRACISM.jpg

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Blank,

Highest deficit in the history of the united states was 459 billion prior to Obama.

Obama's 4 deficits are 1.4 trillion, 1.3 trillion, 1.3 trillion and 1.1 trillion.

Bush's highest deficit was with democratic majority. Obama's highest deficit was also with democratic majority. Explain.

Oh don't worry. I think Im gonna tear apart your 1-20 line by line when I get back from this party. I might even do it so thoroughly, it'll need it's own thread

I'll even address the psychology of the subject of that silly picture.

[Sinfix_15]

Oh don't worry. I think Im gonna tear apart your 1-20 line by line when I get back from this party. I might even do it so thoroughly, it'll need it's own thread

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YAL96hcYsfI/TA6Uio17NiI/AAAAAAAAAXg/H9O8gaFsM5k/s1600/bushs_fault.jpg

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Lets have some fun and do a little fact checking. Maybe I can enlighten some in the process. This may get a little lengthy. I might not address every point, just the ones that need to be addressed, and I will address them in the simplest manner possible.....

#1 The 4 highest deficits in the history of the united states are 2009 Obama, 2010 Obama, 2011 Obama, 2012 Obama.

#2 Obama talked like Bush's deficits were the end of the world, then he tripled Bush's deficit his first year in office.Here's some little-refereced facts about deficits. A fiscal year for the U.S. is around Oct.-Sept. The budgets are created, voted on, and passed on the last quarter of the year to take affect for the next fiscal year. It has nothing to do with when the presidents take office in January, other than a spending/revenue plan is created toward the beginning of a calendar year. Obama and congress in 2012 will be responsible for the spending, deficits, and surpluses that take place in 2013, despite whatever Obama's status is as the president. The budget for fiscal year 09 begins as a spending request from Bush, which takes affect in October of 08. Bush's administration predicted a 400 billion dollar deficit, and when the bill was finally signed into law, with extreme hesitations and reservations, in March 09, after Obama took office, the deficit ended up totaling over 1.4T. This late signing was also a consequence of two Continuing Appropriations Resolutions in 2009, to avoid a complete government shutdown, which was the reason for the reservation in signing the bill. So, "Liberals blame Bush" rhetoric aside, Bush TRIPLED the deficit before he left office, and the only reason the extreme spending bill was signed was to avoid a complete government shut down. The deficit has dropped every year Obama has been in office. It is a common psychological tactic to dismiss Bush's fault as left-wing rhetoric, when the "meme" doesnt explain the whole story. Factually, this is what Bush is responsible for. It is irresponsible, non-factual and short sighted to claim that Obama is solely responsible for tripling the deficit in his first year in office.


#3 Obama's campaign is nothing but smear tacticsIm not gonna spend much time on this, but BOTH parties are EQUALLY involved in smear tactics. Im not someone who is of the mind to be swayed one way or the other from a smear campaign.


#4 Obama blames his failure on a republican majority, even though Bush's last 2 years of his 8 year presidency and Obama's first 2 years came under a democratic majority.See my other thread on this. The GOP played that game since before he got in office, and during the democratic supermajority, republican legislators racked up a record number of filibusters, which invariably tells a tale much different than the standard "we republicans like to reach across the table". They will continue to obstruct until he's out of office whether it be next year or 4 years from now. And its not just record amounts of filibusters that set out the GOP, they've been caught on video, in public, annoucing to the world just what their intentions are.


#6 You didnt build that, someone else built that.This is a good one. "We DID Build That!" The GOP convention's rally cry atop a taxpayer-funded, volunteer-built stage. A psychologically simple minded, Orwellian mantra based on words twisted out of context in order to deliver some kind of communistic image of the president.


#7 Obama panders to whatever audience he is standing in front of..... he sounds like Wayne Brady in front a white audience and Fred Sanford in front of a black audience. He makes promises to minorities to buy their vote.Pandering, a tactic both parties are guilty of doing.


#9 18 green energy companies that Obama gave billions in stimulus to have filed for bankruptcy.False. Out of a total of 63 companies that the Department of Energy and the House Committee of Energy and Commerce invested in, 5 went bankrupt. Some were independently purchase before declaring bankruptcy, a net total Obama administration success rate of 92%


#11 Unemployment rate kinda speaks for itself.It spiked during the recession and has fallen every year he's been in office.


#13 Row V Wade would not ban abortions..... it would simply defer that the decision to the state. A large portion of Romney's accused "flip flops" are a result of him deferring to the state. Romney's stance in general is that some decisions should be left to the state. Obviously Obama demonizes this at his convenience.Women's choice. The issue isnt abortions. Lets first look at a little thing called trigger laws. These are state laws that are unenforceable now, that would become enforceable once a federal law is overturned. Among those states are Arkansas, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota and South Dakota, plus others that haven't decriminalized abortion. As a consequence, abortions would immediately become criminal. Its almost not even worth mentioning as public support for Roe v. Wade is overwhelming, and politicians would be playing Roulette with their careers for even thinking of overturning it.



#15 Gas was $1.79 when Obama took office.Another issue, the president has little control over, yet catches so much flack for. Gas prices spiked to +$4 during Bush's last term, and leveled off at ~$3 until the markets crashed and brought energy prices with them.


#18 Obama won a noble peace prize for being the first black president and not because of his accolades.I dont know what you're implying here. Obama is not the first presidential Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter have won, the United Nations have won multiple. Obama in fact did NOT win the NPP for "being black", but, per the NPP committee: "...for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons."


#19 http://snopes.com/politics/graphics/anthem.jpgThis is called a red herring. Something that is not an issue, made into an issue to distract from the real issues. It is not obligatory anywhere in the U.S. to put your hand on your heart during a national anthem. I've never done that, doesnt mean anything about anything. And as a side note, if I were there at that particular event and the girl butchered the national anthem the way she did, I probably would have shook my head, walked off stage, and slapped the singer in the mouth


#20 Obama has played 75 rounds of golf, been on 17 vacations, Michelle has 22 personal servants and they pay their dog trainer $102k....... with tax payer money, not private funds.Another red herring. Obama has played more than 100 rounds of Golf. Obama could pay his dog trainer a million dollars if he wanted to, and it wouldn't matter in the least. Obama has a salary of $400,000 of tax payer money, plus whatever he makes in investments and royalties. His $400k of tax payer money is his to do with what he wants. It should also be noted that people that work for the USPS make around $40k and they buy their own cigarettes and alcohol with...taxpayer money! ::gasp:: Every single president in history has had servants, Obama himself has hundreds of taxpayer funded servants, and will keep some of them even after his terms expire (See: United States Secret Service).

So now that I've ripped apart all your reasons to hate Obama, do you have any more? Do you think it's more progressive to debate reasons to hate the president, or to debate ways to solve problems?

[Sinfix_15]

Lets have some fun and do a little fact checking. Maybe I can enlighten some in the process. This may get a little lengthy. I might not address every point, just the ones that need to be addressed, and I will address them in the simplest manner possible.....
Here's some little-refereced facts about deficits. A fiscal year for the U.S. is around Oct.-Sept. The budgets are created, voted on, and passed on the last quarter of the year to take affect for the next fiscal year. It has nothing to do with when the presidents take office in January, other than a spending/revenue plan is created toward the beginning of a calendar year. Obama and congress in 2012 will be responsible for the spending, deficits, and surpluses that take place in 2013, despite whatever Obama's status is as the president. The budget for fiscal year 09 begins as a spending request from Bush, which takes affect in October of 08. Bush's administration predicted a 400 billion dollar deficit, and when the bill was finally signed into law, with extreme hesitations and reservations, in March 09, after Obama took office, the deficit ended up totaling over 1.4T. This late signing was also a consequence of two Continuing Appropriations Resolutions in 2009, to avoid a complete government shutdown, which was the reason for the reservation in signing the bill. So, "Liberals blame Bush" rhetoric aside, Bush TRIPLED the deficit before he left office, and the only reason the extreme spending bill was signed was to avoid a complete government shut down. The deficit has dropped every year Obama has been in office. It is a common psychological tactic to dismiss Bush's fault as left-wing rhetoric, when the "meme" doesnt explain the whole story. Factually, this is what Bush is responsible for. It is irresponsible, non-factual and short sighted to claim that Obama is solely responsible for tripling the deficit in his first year in office.

Im not gonna spend much time on this, but BOTH parties are EQUALLY involved in smear tactics. Im not someone who is of the mind to be swayed one way or the other from a smear campaign.

See my other thread on this. The GOP played that game since before he got in office, and during the democratic supermajority, republican legislators racked up a record number of filibusters, which invariably tells a tale much different than the standard "we republicans like to reach across the table". They will continue to obstruct until he's out of office whether it be next year or 4 years from now. And its not just record amounts of filibusters that set out the GOP, they've been caught on video, in public, annoucing to the world just what their intentions are.

This is a good one. "We DID Build That!" The GOP convention's rally cry atop a taxpayer-funded, volunteer-built stage. A psychologically simple minded, Orwellian mantra based on words twisted out of context in order to deliver some kind of communistic image of the president.

Pandering, a tactic both parties are guilty of doing.

False. Out of a total of 63 companies that the Department of Energy and the House Committee of Energy and Commerce invested in, 5 went bankrupt. Some were independently purchase before declaring bankruptcy, a net total Obama administration success rate of 92%

It spiked during the recession and has fallen every year he's been in office.

Women's choice. The issue isnt abortions. Lets first look at a little thing called trigger laws. These are state laws that are unenforceable now, that would become enforceable once a federal law is overturned. Among those states are Arkansas, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota and South Dakota, plus others that haven't decriminalized abortion. As a consequence, abortions would immediately become criminal. Its almost not even worth mentioning as public support for Roe v. Wade is overwhelming, and politicians would be playing Roulette with their careers for even thinking of overturning it.


Another issue, the president has little control over, yet catches so much flack for. Gas prices spiked to +$4 during Bush's last term, and leveled off at ~$3 until the markets crashed and brought energy prices with them.

I dont know what you're implying here. Obama is not the first presidential Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter have won, the United Nations have won multiple. Obama in fact did NOT win the NPP for "being black", but, per the NPP committee: "...for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons."

This is called a red herring. Something that is not an issue, made into an issue to distract from the real issues. It is not obligatory anywhere in the U.S. to put your hand on your heart during a national anthem. I've never done that, doesnt mean anything about anything. And as a side note, if I were there at that particular event and the girl butchered the national anthem the way she did, I probably would have shook my head, walked off stage, and slapped the singer in the mouth

Another red herring. Obama has played more than 100 rounds of Golf. Obama could pay his dog trainer a million dollars if he wanted to, and it wouldn't matter in the least. Obama has a salary of $400,000 of tax payer money, plus whatever he makes in investments and royalties. His $400k of tax payer money is his to do with what he wants. It should also be noted that people that work for the USPS make around $40k and they buy their own cigarettes and alcohol with...taxpayer money! ::gasp:: Every single president in history has had servants, Obama himself has hundreds of taxpayer funded servants, and will keep some of them even after his terms expire (See: United States Secret Service).

So now that I've ripped apart all your reasons to hate Obama, do you have any more? Do you think it's more progressive to debate reasons to hate the president, or to debate ways to solve problems?

Ok, Bush was president for 8 years and had normal deficits, funny that the deficit didnt explode until Obama... Also, you're lying/exaggerating about the decline of deficits. Obama year 2-3 deficit didnt change. 1.3t.

Both parties pander... that's a cop out..... Obama might as well have split personalities... a black one and a white one.

A president winning the peace prize is not the issue.... a president who has done nothing winning the peace prize is the issue. Are you honestly saying Obama's race had no factor in this???!?!?!?!????!?!?!? really?

If Obama cant work with congress then he needs to go, every president in history dealt with the same problem. Why wont they work with him? because hes black? give me a reason.

5 green energy companies went bankrupt? False. Post your source. List of Failed Obama Green Energy & Solar Companies in the Billions (http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/)


You disregard any personal attack on Obama as a non issue, but these are the only issues the Obama campaign has. Obama not saluting flag, Michelle saying "all this over a damn flag" Obama attending a radical racist church, writing a racist book or having a several questionable quotes out there is a non issue.... yet Romney owning horses somehow matters? Even the liberal media admits that Obama campaign has tried to paint Romney as a monster. The spike in the polls for Romney started in the debates when he walked onto the stage and people realized he didnt have horns and breath fire.

"every president has servants" yeah.... but just so happens the president with the highest deficits also has the highest "room service" bill.... just a coincidence eh??? Michelle Obama spends more on servants than the queen of england. Obama's presidential perks tab is at 2 billion. The Obama's spent 2 million on a single "date night". Oh well..... at least Obama is sharing the wealth.... with his stimulus plan, he spent over $270,000 per job created...... nice gesture Obama, but i would have been happy with just receiving $100k and not having a job. I guess guys like E36 slide can be thankful that Obama spent $270,000 for them to have a 30k a year job.

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No comment on voter intimidation or voter fraud? you ok with NAACP thugs standing in front of polls with clubs and militant suits??? you ok with bus loads of somalis being delivered to the polls and told to vote for Obama?

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Ok, Bush was president for 8 years and had normal deficits, funny that the deficit didnt explode until Obama... Also, you're lying/exaggerating about the decline of deficits. Obama year 2-3 deficit didnt change. 1.3t.

Both parties pander... that's a cop out..... Obama might as well have split personalities... a black one and a white one.

A president winning the peace prize is not the issue.... a president who has done nothing winning the peace prize is the issue. Are you honestly saying Obama's race had no factor in this???!?!?!?!????!?!?!? really?

If Obama cant work with congress then he needs to go, every president in history dealt with the same problem. Why wont they work with him? because hes black? give me a reason.

5 green energy companies went bankrupt? False. Post your source. List of Failed Obama Green Energy & Solar Companies in the Billions (http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/)


You disregard any personal attack on Obama as a non issue, but these are the only issues the Obama campaign has. Obama not saluting flag, Michelle saying "all this over a damn flag" Obama attending a radical racist church, writing a racist book or having a several questionable quotes out there is a non issue.... yet Romney owning horses somehow matters? Even the liberal media admits that Obama campaign has tried to paint Romney as a monster. The spike in the polls for Romney started in the debates when he walked onto the stage and people realized he didnt have horns and breath fire.

"every president has servants" yeah.... but just so happens the president with the highest deficits also has the highest "room service" bill.... just a coincidence eh??? Michelle Obama spends more on servants than the queen of england. Obama's presidential perks tab is at 2 billion. The Obama's spent 2 million on a single "date night". Oh well..... at least Obama is sharing the wealth.... with his stimulus plan, he spent over $270,000 per job created...... nice gesture Obama, but i would have been happy with just receiving $100k and not having a job. I guess guys like E36 slide can be thankful that Obama spent $270,000 for them to have a 30k a year job.I think your problem is deeper than just on a political level, cause it seems like you didn't read anything I posted.

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I think your problem is deeper than just on a political level, cause it seems like you didn't read anything I posted.

1 at a time.

You say Obama's servants and vacation spending is business as usual.

Obama paints Romney as "the rich guy" and often makes snide remarks about wealth..... yet Obama's white house tab is the largest in history by large margin. Please justify the Obama's living like the Kardashians on crack during a time when our nation has the highest deficit ever?

could it possibly be...... as Anne Coulter would say, because he's a retard?





Who do you think costs more to support every year: the Queen of England or Barack Obama? If you guessed the Queen you are wrong by around $1,942,000,000. The citizens of Great Britain pony up approximately $58 million annually to support the Queen, a mere pittance compared to the $2 billion Americans spend supporting Barack Obama and his extravagant lifestyle. Presidential perks and budgets have been increasing steadily over the years, but no president has spent more on himself and his office than Barack Obama, and he has done this at a time when 23 million Americans are unemployed and America is carrying a $16 trillion debt. Apparently President Obama thinks leadership means living large while Americans suffer.

A new book by political insider, Robert Keith Gray, titled Presidential Perks Gone Royal makes for informative but disturbing reading. Gray served as appointments secretary to Dwight D. Eisenhower and as a member of Ike’s cabinet. He has also served Presidents Nixon, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush in various capacities. Consequently, he has seen the growth of presidential perks up close and personal and is able to bring an insider’s perspective to his analysis of them. I am indebted to Gray’s book for the facts presented in this column.

The cost of presidential perks reached an all-time high during the eight years of the George W. Bush administration, but not to be out done President Obama topped Bush’s spending record in just three years. Compare Barack Obama with some of his presidential predecessors. John F. Kennedy and Herbert Hoover took no salary while serving as president. William Howard Taft paid for the first presidential automobile out of his own pocket. When Harry Truman left office, he and Bess drove home to Missouri in the family car. Contrast how these presidents—men who respected tax payers by minimizing presidential spending—with Barack Obama whose frequent vacations have cost the American tax payer millions. For example, his much ballyhooed “date night” to New York with Michelle cost taxpayers $2 million. And it’s not like the president cannot afford to help out a little—his net worth exceeds $10 million.

Barack Obama has increased the size and cost of the White House staff astronomically, and he has done this in less than four years. For example, without even conferring with Congress, President Obama hired 43 “czars,” some with salaries higher than those paid to the members of Congress who had no say in their being hired. Add to the high salaries of these 43 czars the cost of their operating budgets, limousines, and well-paid staffs and you are beginning to spend some money. If the cost of 43 czars is not enough to get your attention, consider the cost of the 469 senior staff positions Obama added to the White House payroll, 77 of whom are paid more than $172,000 per year—not bad during a time of record unemployment. In fact, as president, Barack Obama has been a one-man employment agency. Unfortunately, the only jobs he has created are in his office. While in office, President Obama has helped himself—literally—but he has done very little for the American tax payers who are funding his extravagance.

Here are some questions for the reader to contemplate: How can a man worth more than $10 million who pays the staffer who walks the family dog $102,000 annually claim to be the candidate who understands the problems of the poor and unemployed? Should a man who travels on Air Force One with a crew of 26, including five chefs, be critical of Mitt Romney for being wealthy? Why would President Obama even need a Homeland Security czar when America already has a cabinet-level secretary for homeland security with 165,000 employees and a $35 million dollar budget? Why does President Obama need 43 czars when President Clinton had only eight? These questions and Barack Obama’s royal lifestyle—a lifestyle enjoyed while Americans suffer—should be contemplated by voters before they enter the booth on November 6th.

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The budget for fiscal year 09 begins as a spending request from Bush, which takes affect in October of 08. Bush's administration predicted a 400 billion dollar deficit, and when the bill was finally signed into law, with extreme hesitations and reservations, in March 09, after Obama took office, the deficit ended up totaling over 1.4T. This late signing was also a consequence of two Continuing Appropriations Resolutions in 2009, to avoid a complete government shutdown, which was the reason for the reservation in signing the bill. So, "Liberals blame Bush" rhetoric aside, Bush TRIPLED the deficit before he left office, and the only reason the extreme spending bill was signed was to avoid a complete government shut down. The deficit has dropped every year Obama has been in office. It is a common psychological tactic to dismiss Bush's fault as left-wing rhetoric, when the "meme" doesnt explain the whole story. Factually, this is what Bush is responsible for. It is irresponsible, non-factual and short sighted to claim that Obama is solely responsible for tripling the deficit in his first year in office.

You are completely ignoring 1 MAJOR spending bill that was proposed AFTER Obama took office. The stimulus alone accounted for more than half of the entire '09 deficit.

Yes, the deficit tripled when comparing '08 to '07 when the markets collapsed and housing bubble burst. That even after tripling in Bush's last full year, it more than doubled again in Obama's first full year.


It spiked during the recession and has fallen every year he's been in office.

Wrong. It spiked during his admin, after the technical end of the recession. It is at the same rate now as when he took office.



Another issue, the president has little control over, yet catches so much flack for. Gas prices spiked to +$4 during Bush's last term, and leveled off at ~$3 until the markets crashed and brought energy prices with them.

But during the last race, it was your side blaming Bush. You cant have it both ways. Gas prices are one of those issues that are attached to a president, no matter who it is, whether he has real control over them or not.


I dont know what you're implying here. Obama is not the first presidential Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter have won, the United Nations have won multiple. Obama in fact did NOT win the NPP for "being black", but, per the NPP committee: "...for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons."



So now that I've ripped apart all your reasons to hate Obama, do you have any more? Do you think it's more progressive to debate reasons to hate the president, or to debate ways to solve problems?

How about his willful coverup of his admin's, not his directly IMO, failures surrounding Benghazi? You seem to have forgotten about that thread.

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You are completely ignoring 1 MAJOR spending bill that was proposed AFTER Obama took office. The stimulus alone accounted for more than half of the entire '09 deficit.

Yes, the deficit tripled when comparing '08 to '07 when the markets collapsed and housing bubble burst. That even after tripling in Bush's last full year, it more than doubled again in Obama's first full year.ARRA? The very first budget enacted from a spending request from Obama was $200b less than the budget enacted the previous year. This is fact.


Wrong. It spiked during his admin, after the technical end of the recession. It is at the same rate now as when he took office.This is what I said, is it not? As the recession was resolving, consequently during the beginning of his term, it spiked. As ARRA resolved, UE declined. This is numerical, historical fact.


But during the last race, it was your side blaming Bush. You cant have it both ways. Gas prices are one of those issues that are attached to a president, no matter who it is, whether he has real control over them or not.Who is my "side"? LOL. Not a "democrat" or a "liberal"



How about his willful coverup of his admin's, not his directly IMO, failures surrounding Benghazi? You seem to have forgotten about that thread.Havent forgotten about that thread. Haven't seen any hard evidence about a willful coverup by the executive branch of an independent intelligence agency.

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ARRA? The very first budget enacted from a spending request from Obama was $200b less than the budget enacted the previous year. This is fact.

But you are still ignoring the stimulus. It did actually happen, even though the only signs of it were in the deficit. It was signed in a transition year in which continuing resolutions signed by Bush, not a budget, were in effect. This was additional spending on top of the resolutions though.

Go back and look at what I said though. I said comparing Bush's last full year to Obama's first full year. Those would be FY '08 and FY '10. FY '09 the deficit would have been around 500B if you removed TARP and Stimulus from the total.




Havent forgotten about that thread. Haven't seen any hard evidence about a willful coverup by the executive branch of an independent intelligence agency.

If it wasnt a purposeful coverup where did the stories of a protest come from? Why did it take more than 2 weeks for the Admin to figure out there never was a protest? These are simple questions the admin is refusing to answer.

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