IA's OFFICIAL 10/16/2012 Debate Thread.

[Echonova]

Obama: Wants to destroy America as we know it, and form a New World Order shaped by the Muslim Brotherhood.


Romney: Wants to kill all old, poor and disadvantaged people in a scheme to make rich white folks richer, and turn this nation into a theocracy.



Who will win the debate tonight and why?

[-EnVus-]

Romney cause he is white and white is right!

[Vteckidd]

I think it will be a tie.

Obama will do MUCH better and score some points , and he does very well in town hall debate style forums.

Romney will parry mostly, get some good points in, and come off as much more likeable than people think. He will take a draw on this one.

[Echonova]

I think it will be a tie.

Obama will do MUCH better and score some points , and he does very well in town hall debate style forums.

Romney will parry mostly, get some good points in, and come off as much more likeable than people think. He will take a draw on this one.That is very close to what I think will happen. Tie or not, MSNBC will declare Obama winner and the election is now over, Obama wins, Romney people shouldn't even bother to vote Nov. 6th.

[Echonova]

Ahhhhhhhh shiz...




It's go time.
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Watching MSNBC for pre-debate lulz.

[Echonova]

LOL, Chris Matthews is a debate away from a heart-attack if this goes the "wrong way".

[Echonova]

Same for the angry lesbian chick that's on now. But she strikes me as just truly believing in that liberal utopian dream, not just fucking bat-shit crazy like Matthews.




I can respect someone that believes in what they say, even if they're wrong.

[Echonova]

I liked Al Sharpton better when he was fat.

[Echonova]

Do they have a plexiglass shield in-between Chris Matthews and the camera man to protect him from flying spit?

[Echonova]

Holy Shit!!!! Does she moonlight as a Green Bay Packer linebacker?

[Echonova]

5 fucking seconds in and we get a "personal" story from the campaign trail... I hate that shit.

[Echonova]

Ugh... 5 seconds in for Obama to mention GM.

[Echonova]

First question win I would give to Obama.

[Echonova]

2nd question win I would give to Romney. Obama did not have a good answer for GM bankruptcy, "just ask the folks at GM"?... WTF?

[Echonova]

Obama crossed into Romney's space, clearly a violation on debate rules. LOL

[Echonova]

Obama does sound confident when he speaks this time though...

[Echonova]

3rd question win goes to (according to me)...













Romney. Facts trump rhetoric.

[Echonova]

4th question from the moderator goes to (which she's not supposed to ask)...











Obama. If he answers every question like that one... He's got it in the bag. Romney pulled a Biden, and gave up time to let Obama filibuster.

[Echonova]

Oh snap!!!! ~waits for Obama and Romney fisticuffs~

[Echonova]

Obama be mad. This could be his undoing... Nobody puts baby in the corner.

[Echonova]

She asked Obama a question and tried to stop Romney from answering.




Bitch.

[Echonova]

Good question from the lady in the audience... I like it.

[Echonova]

Chick in the front row with the button up white shirt is a hottie.

[D3UC3S]

EPIC POST WHORING!!!!!!

[Echonova]

5th question win goes to...



























Romney. No tax on investments for my tax bracket had me at hello. Either Obama doesn't understand how out tax system works, or he's lying and saying what he thinks sounds good.

[Echonova]

Wow, she let Romney respond to Obama's comments... I'm surprised in a good way.

[Echonova]

Another question form the moderator that is not allowed... LOL



6th question win goes to...




















































wait for it






















































wait for it

[Echonova]

Obama... He did a good job demagoguing... And he got help from the moderator. Which never hurts. Romney used tired rhetoric, while true... We've heard it before.

[Echonova]

7th question is a gimmie for the big O





Fucking bleeding heart liberals.

[Echonova]

While waiting for Obama to finish and Romney's turn to answer, might I say... Both have done well tonight so far. I have enjoyed it thus far.

[Echonova]

7th question win goes to...
































Obama... I didn't really find Romney's story believable. I mean, it may be true... But sounds too much like a "whistle-stop" campaign stump speech.

[Echonova]

Hmmmm... Obama is feeling confident in his rebuttal, when he's confident he goes off-script and sticks his foot in his mouth... Let's wait and see.

[Echonova]

Meh... Same vanilla stump speech type that Romney just gave.

[Echonova]

8th question... Never trust a chick with dress pants.

[Echonova]

That point aside... The winner is...

[Echonova]

Romney killed it... Too bad he was being a whiny bitch at the beginning. Took away from the point he made later, but he still won this round. Obama wasn't believable and pandered.

[Echonova]

9th question... Wow, I feel bad for that guy, you could tell he didn't want to say what he said.

[Echonova]

If Romney answered every question like that he would decimate Obama in this debate. He wins the round, Obama did well, but Romney smoked it. Obama is holding his own with his base I'm sure.

[Echonova]

10th question... Would hit it because I'm betting she does anal.

[Echonova]

The pattern on her pants is distracting though... Too busy.

[Echonova]

Winner of the 10th question is... Obama.



He just sounded better. Except at the end, after he ran out of time and continued on for another full minute... Without the hint of the moderator stepping in. But I would still give it to him.

[Echonova]

Oh... Romney just made the moderator his bitch.

[Echonova]

Oh jam!!!! Almost fisticuffs again!!!!!!!!

[Echonova]

11th question... Blatant shameless plug for douchebag's company and how can Romney answer that question? He wasn't president. Will pass on judging this question, because it's not fair to either party.

[Echonova]

I will say that Obama answered it well.

[Echonova]

As did Romney, but he had the liberty to go to talking points because answering the question did not apply to him.

[Echonova]

Attempted save by moderator...

[David88vert]

I will say that Obama answered it well.

Obama did not answer the question. It was who rejected the request for additional security.

[Echonova]

and the moderator saves again... Or tries to.

[Echonova]

Obama did not answer the question. It was who rejected the request for additional security.He said the buck stopped with him. So let's hold him to it.

[Echonova]

12th question goes to............

[Echonova]

Oh snap... He went there.

[Echonova]

Attempted save by moderator again...

[-EnVus-]

The president is down I repeat the president is down...

[Echonova]

Romney is "killing" it... LOL Get it?




OK 12th amendment jokes aren't funny.

[Echonova]

LOL... WTF is even going on now?????

[Echonova]

Obama is going ham.

[Echonova]

13th question sounds nasally.

[Echonova]

Is anybody even looking at the clock??? Moderator ain't moderating.

[Echonova]

Romney's clock ran out a minute ago... Maybe he's getting back that minute that Obama went over a while back.

[Echonova]

LOL... Wow.

[Echonova]

Romney won the debate. Obama did well, but not good enough to win.


Doubt it will be reported that way.

[Echonova]

I'm going to Taco Bell while Obama responds.

[Echonova]

Ah... While I was putting on my shoes... Obama was smart to mention the "47%" comment when Romney couldn't respond.

[Echonova]

Now I'm going to Taco Bell.

[Echonova]

MSNBC scored Obama as winning, I'm sure Fox will say Romney won. Don't care, I'm going to watch what's on Showtime. Hopefully I can get caught up on Dexter.

[D3UC3S]

My Nigga!!!

I have never missed a single episode of dexter since the beginning. Its literally the only reason i have showtime.

[BanginJimmy]

I missed it. What happened?


BTW, I was listening to POTUS (lefties) on the way home and even they said Obama lied through his teeth on the Libya question.

I really do wonder if Obama is going to turn into another Nixon. I also wonder if I wouldnt rather just let Obama finish his term nutless. Joe Biden making decisions for the entire US is scarier than Achmadingdong in Iran having a US nuclear sub and the launch codes.

[Echonova]

My Nigga!!!

I have never missed a single episode of dexter since the beginning. Its literally the only reason i have showtime.I would totally do Dexter's sister in her dirty hole.


I missed it. What happened?


BTW, I was listening to POTUS (lefties) on the way home and even they said Obama lied through his teeth on the Libya question.

I really do wonder if Obama is going to turn into another Nixon. I also wonder if I wouldnt rather just let Obama finish his term nutless. Joe Biden making decisions for the entire US is scarier than Achmadingdong in Iran having a US nuclear sub and the launch codes.I tried to look at it objectively as a dumb, stupid, uninformed average American would.


Obama still lost.

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Damnit. I was tied up and missed it. I can't find a single feed anywhere. Not gonna comment till I see the whole thing

[Echonova]

Damnit. I was tied up and missed it. I can't find a single feed anywhere. Not gonna comment till I see the whole thingFind feed, read this thread while you watch.



Win.

[D3UC3S]

Yes, Deb is my future sperm donation cup.

[Vteckidd]

Damnit. I was tied up and missed it. I can't find a single feed anywhere. Not gonna comment till I see the whole thing

Romney still didnt give a CLEAR answer on taxes IMO. Still wont name specific deductions.

Obama lied dead faced about Libya , even said at one point "proceed governor" when Romney was hammering him with a question. Even the moderator has come out and said Obama was wrong and Romney was right about the timeline on libya.

Other than that, if you support Obama, he got some good lines in, Romney did too.

Overall i think a draw.

However, The Frank Luntz ind focus group of voters heavily leaned Romney. whatever thats worth.

[Echonova]

MSNBC comment board...


Tonight,

Romney will tell millions that he will do the "opposite" of Obama...

Obama saved us from a full depression
Obama has reduced the deficit by hundres of BILLIONS
Obama kept us from bankruptcy and a default
Obama has created 27 consecutive months of job growth
Obama saved the Auto Industry
Obama killed Bin Laden
Obama gave us Nationalized Health Care
Obama allowed Millions of young students to stay and thrive
Obama saved our retirements with the stock market recovery
Obama made sure TARP got PAID back with INTEREST
Obama took us out of one war, IRAQ.
Obama toppled dictators in Lybia and Egypt
Obama gave women the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
Obama saves seniors over $2,000 by closing a drug hole.
Obama Gave people with pre-existing condition Healthcare
Obama reformed Wall Street to protect consumers
Obama put 26 year olds under their parents healthcare
Obama extended student loans and pell grants
Obama gave us no-co pay physicals
Obama gave us better air quality with NEW MPG standards
Obama made sure everyone gets accepted for health insurance
Obama told BP oil to take responsibility for their horrendous oil spill
Obama told Women they do not have co-pays for birth control
Obama told Seniors "no pay" for Preventative Screenings
Obama is responsibly drawing down the war in Afghanistan
Obama gave Small business owners 18 different tax breaks
Obama got Dodd Frank passed into law
Obama told Insurers they must spend 80% of what you pay
Obama brings soldiers home to education + job opportunities
Obama gave Tax credits + CUTS for workers during worst recession
Obama has earned the World's respect of the USA in decades
Obama gave us the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Obama gave us More transparency with earmarks by lawmakers
Obama got rid of DADT in the military
Obama gave Families REFUNDS from their Health Insurance
Obama extended child tax credits to help families
Obama has spent less than any President in decades

Remember, Romney will do the OPPOSITE if elected.



LOL... On a side note. I would love to see Romney un-kill Bin Laden

[Echonova]

Romney spoke for nearly 41 minutes, Obama a little over 44 minutes.

[Echonova]

Alright... I'm out for the night.


Your welcome for my public service.














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[MachNU]

Obama has spent less than any president in history...wtf is that. Are they referring too all presidents in history as one, as that would be the only way possible to make that statement true.

Btw epic thread is epic.

[-EnVus-]

Alright... I'm out for the night.


Your welcome for my public service.














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you stole that fro my page

[ahabion]

http://www.troll.me/images/pissed-off-obama/yea-i-said-gangbangers-i-support-your-uterus.jpg

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Obama has spent less than any president in history...wtf is that. Are they referring too all presidents in history as one, as that would be the only way possible to make that statement true.

Btw epic thread is epic.According to the facts, the statement is true

Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/)

[nelson9995]

Romney still didnt give a CLEAR answer on taxes IMO. Still wont name specific deductions.

Obama lied dead faced about Libya , even said at one point "proceed governor" when Romney was hammering him with a question. Even the moderator has come out and said Obama was wrong and Romney was right about the timeline on libya.

Other than that, if you support Obama, he got some good lines in, Romney did too.

Overall i think a draw.

However, The Frank Luntz ind focus group of voters heavily leaned Romney. whatever thats worth.

I hate how you lie to our faces about something we all saw. You clearly dislike Obama. Romney was ridiculized when the moderator said yes he did when Obama said "repeat that". where you jerking off when this happened? Romney got red and choked. Come on man.

If you watched this debate Romney was brought out like what he is.... A hypocrite...
How are you against Obamacare when you did the same in Mass... How are you against the bailing of GM when Romney accepted a bailout of I believe 40 millions in 2002 to save his company. He was shown as what he is... A HYPOCRITE. Obama clearly took this one home.

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And the moderator fact-checked R-Money. Hard.

Romney: Did you actually sit in the rose garden and call what happened in Libya an act of terror on day one?

Obama: ....get the transcripts

Crowley: Yes. He did.

Obama: Can you say that a little louder?

(Applause)


If there was more on the spot fact-checking like this, Romney would be sitting at home counting his Cayman island investment money and Obama would be running unopposed.

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"Romney, Can you speak on AK47s?"

"Traditional marriage is important."

"What?"

"5 point plan."

"..what?"

[nelson9995]

"have you taken a look at your pension?"
"It's clearly not as big as yours"

lollol

[Sinfix_15]

I liked Al Sharpton better when he was fat.

I'll like Al Sharpton better when whatever is feeding on him finishes him off.

[Sinfix_15]

I hate how you lie to our faces about something we all saw. You clearly dislike Obama. Romney was ridiculized when the moderator said yes he did when Obama said "repeat that". where you jerking off when this happened? Romney got red and choked. Come on man.

If you watched this debate Romney was brought out like what he is.... A hypocrite...
How are you against Obamacare when you did the same in Mass... How are you against the bailing of GM when Romney accepted a bailout of I believe 40 millions in 2002 to save his company. He was shown as what he is... A HYPOCRITE. Obama clearly took this one home.

It wasnt a terror attack.
It was a terror attack.
It was batman.
I like apples.

I just said it was a terror attack.

Obama said many things on this situation, one of the things that said was that they felt the security was adequate. Adequate security doesnt allow a Us embassy to be overtaken and it's occupants murdered.

[BanginJimmy]

According to the facts, the statement is true

Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/)

So you found an editorial based off Rex Nutting's debunked article. I'm not going to go point by point on it again but that article is BS. They baseline his spending off 2009. He also attributes the stimulus spending to Bush as part of the 2009 budget. On top of that,
he gives Obama credit for TARP repayments. TARP was approved by Bush.





And the moderator fact-checked R-Money. Hard.

Romney: Did you actually sit in the rose garden and call what happened in Libya an act of terror on day one?

Obama: ....get the transcripts

Crowley: Yes. He did.

Obama: Can you say that a little louder?

(Applause)


If there was more on the spot fact-checking like this, Romney would be sitting at home counting his Cayman island investment money and Obama would be running unopposed.

So Obama called it an act of terror in the rose garden, very vaguely, but he sort of said it. Why did his entire admins, including his, story change then? Who made up the story about the protest that never happened? Who said the attack was the result of the video?

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[David88vert]

I watched the entire debate and here is what I saw. Both sides were not courting undecided voters, instead they worked on energizing their base. They both came prepared and performed well. Obama avoided the key Libya question but addressed the matter at a different political angle. Obama finished strong which I believe gave his performance a slight edge.
They were both obvious puppets for their party platforms.

[Echonova]

Full Rose garden speech. You decide.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0wllKURCq8

[Echonova]

"Romney, Can you speak on AK47s?"

"Traditional marriage is important."

"What?"

"5 point plan."

"..what?"That was a little weird. I thought maybe I missed something because I went to get a tasty adult beverage.


LOL... WTF is even going on now?????Real time post was in real time. You heard it here first.

[ahabion]

Full Rose garden speech. You decide.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0wllKURCq8

Romney followed and clarified that the main that he was saying was accurate. (which the moderator, post-debate also fact checked and acknowledged was correct). His speech at the U.N. of what he was calling an 'act of terror' clearly says that the context was of a video.

President Obama’s 2012 address to U.N. General Assembly (Full text) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obamas-2012-address-to-un-general-assembly-full-text/2012/09/25/70bc1fce-071d-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html)

"At time, the conflicts arise along the fault lines of race or tribe, and often they arise from the difficulties of reconciling tradition and faith with the diversity and interdependence of the modern world. In every country, there are those who find different religious beliefs threatening. In every culture, those who love freedom for themselves must ask themselves how much they're willing to tolerate freedom for others. And that is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, where a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well."

This issue will come up next debate

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Romney followed and clarified that the main that he was saying was accurate. (which the moderator, post-debate also fact checked and acknowledged was correct)The moderator never changed what she said post debate. she just acknowledged what she said. Romney tried to set Obama up for the okey doke, Obama and Crowley called him out.

[David88vert]

The moderator never changed what she said post debate. she just acknowledged what she said. Romney tried to set Obama up for the okey doke, Obama and Crowley called him out.

The fact is that the Obama administration repeatedly stated that it was a demonstration, and did not state that it was a terrorist attack. The "acts of terror" comment was a reference to 9/11, not to Libya. Romney was addressing the substance of the Obama speech, and Obama and Crowley were playing word games.
Technically, Obama did utter the term "acts of terror" in his speech at the Rose Garden, but when taken in context, its meaning is very different than how Obama was trying to portray it in the debate. The fact that Crowley is a known Obama supporter and was so quick to jump in (before Obama could) makes it very suspicious that she was anticpating and was setting it up.

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The fact is that the Obama administration repeatedly stated that it was a demonstration, and did not state that it was a terrorist attack. Its not out of the realm of possibility that as the investigation was proceeding, his stance changed as more information developed.


The "acts of terror" comment was a reference to 9/11, not to Libya.What??? LOL. How did you come up with that? Did you read the transcript? Especially since 9/11 wasn't even mentioned. Obama specifically said "acts of terror" (the operative term here is acts - plural) and, in context, referred to any instance where, regardless of the circumstances, American/military lives are taken in pursuit of an idealogical goal.

[Vteckidd]

And the moderator fact-checked R-Money. Hard.

Romney: Did you actually sit in the rose garden and call what happened in Libya an act of terror on day one?

Obama: ....get the transcripts

Crowley: Yes. He did.

Obama: Can you say that a little louder?

(Applause)


If there was more on the spot fact-checking like this, Romney would be sitting at home counting his Cayman island investment money and Obama would be running unopposed.
Crowley recanted already and said she was wrong, Romney was right.

[Vteckidd]

"have you taken a look at your pension?"
"It's clearly not as big as yours"

lollol
Hate the rich much? So you hate Romney for having more retirement money than Obama? Isnt Romney like 10 years his senior?

[Vteckidd]

I hate how you lie to our faces about something we all saw. You clearly dislike Obama. Romney was ridiculized when the moderator said yes he did when Obama said "repeat that". where you jerking off when this happened? Romney got red and choked. Come on man.

If you watched this debate Romney was brought out like what he is.... A hypocrite...
How are you against Obamacare when you did the same in Mass... How are you against the bailing of GM when Romney accepted a bailout of I believe 40 millions in 2002 to save his company. He was shown as what he is... A HYPOCRITE. Obama clearly took this one home.

1) I dont even know why i respond to you, you sound like an idiot.

2) What did i lie about? Romney didnt give a clear answer on deductions he would eliminate. That is factually true.

3) OBama lied about Libya , the moderator sided with Obama, then , recanted AFTER the debate was over and said she was WRONG. Romney was right.


I view it as a draw, thats opinion, i cant lie.

The focus group leaned heavily Romney, that is also fact.

So where did i LIE?

And lastly, i really didnt watch much of it, its all stuff i already know.

[BanginJimmy]

Its not out of the realm of possibility that as the investigation was proceeding, his stance changed as more information developed.


There never was a protest over a video that supposedly had like 300 views (heard this somewhere and may not be true) at the time of the attack. That was a figment of someone's imagination and I think the Admin owes it to the American people to know who made up that story. The fact that several very senior members of Obama's admin tried to push that narrative for nearly 2 weeks says it has nothing to do with information and everything to do with covering up the fact that the State Dept ignored requests for more security.


Then again, this wouldnt be the first, or 4th, time Obama has made a statement without knowing the facts.

[BanginJimmy]

Hate the rich much? So you hate Romney for having more retirement money than Obama? Isnt Romney like 10 years his senior?

Romney had a job before entering politics also.

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Crowley recanted already and said she was wrong, Romney was right.

She never changed what she said on the debate floor. Both of them were right. Romney tried to play word games and Obama checked him

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-72926985/

[BanginJimmy]

She never changed what she said on the debate floor. Both of them were right. Romney tried to play word games and Obama checked him

LA Times (http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-72926985/)

Obama is also playing word games.

I dont care much about that speech though. Even if you want to credit for Obama calling it a terror attack in the Rose garden, he changed his story later in the day and for the next 2 weeks, including in a speech to the UN, where he blamed a protest caused by a video.

[Vteckidd]

What??? LOL. How did you come up with that? Did you read the transcript? Especially since 9/11 wasn't even mentioned. Obama specifically said "acts of terror" (the operative term here is acts - plural) and, in context, referred to any instance where, regardless of the circumstances, American/military lives are taken in pursuit of an idealogical goal.

you know i dont really take issue with the ORIGINAL statement Obama made. He did allude to freedom of speech being the cause , paraphrasing , he said something about we denouce anyone who speaks ill of anothers religion of something.

The problem i have is the 10 days afterward, where his administration, UN ambassador, Carney, Clinton, and then Obama himself on the view and at the UN outright stated it was a protest or youtube video that caused it all.

That my friend, is the problem.

they are either
A) Incompetent
B) Lying.

[nelson9995]

It wasnt a terror attack.
It was a terror attack.
It was batman.
I like apples.

I just said it was a terror attack.

Obama said many things on this situation, one of the things that said was that they felt the security was adequate. Adequate security doesnt allow a Us embassy to be overtaken and it's occupants murdered.

I see what you guys do. You 2 will ALWAYS find a way around anything Obama says or does to go against it. HE SAID IT... THAT'S WHAT ROMNEY ASKED AND WAS SHUT DOWN!

[nelson9995]

And lastly, i really didnt watch much of it, its all stuff i already know.

So how are you going to come to me... who watched and understood THE ENTIRE THING and tell me what I saw and understoos was wrong.... Thanks for clarifying that about this debate what you stated was wrong and anything and everything you say about it cannot be taken seriously as you did not watch much of it.

[Vteckidd]

So how are you going to come to me... who watched and understood THE ENTIRE THING and tell me what I saw and understoos was wrong.... Thanks for clarifying that about this debate what you stated was wrong and anything and everything you say about it cannot be taken seriously as you did not watch much of it.

cool retort bro.

I watched the parts i commented on. Im sorry you have comprehension problems. And im sorry, all due respect to Sinfix, he is much harder on Obama than i am. SO that just shows again, how partisan and biased you are. Obama will do no wrong in your eyes either.



Hey guess what, Romney now 6 points up in Gallup poll.

[Vteckidd]

New Gallup poll has Romney up 6% over Obama among likely voters (About tied when considering margin of error)

The race for president is about tied among likely voters -- markedly different from 2008, when Barack Obama won by seven percentage points. Compared with 2008, support for Obama is down sharply among men, college graduates, and Southern voters.

[BanginJimmy]

Hey guess what, Romney now 6 points up in Gallup poll.

Romney getting a 'tie' in a format that was HIGHLY more favorable to Obama was as good as a win. Like I said after the first debate, I would really like to see donation numbers.



New Gallup poll has Romney up 6% over Obama among likely voters (About tied when considering margin of error)

The race for president is about tied among likely voters -- markedly different from 2008, when Barack Obama won by seven percentage points. Compared with 2008, support for Obama is down sharply among men, college graduates, and Southern voters.


National polls are nice window dressing, but what really matters are the swing states especially Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Penn and Wisconsin.

[Vteckidd]

Romney getting a 'tie' in a format that was HIGHLY more favorable to Obama was as good as a win. Like I said after the first debate, I would really like to see donation numbers.
National polls are nice window dressing, but what really matters are the swing states especially Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Penn and Wisconsin.

Which Romeny has gained in all swing states, and now hes within margin of error in PA

[BanginJimmy]

Which Romeny has gained in all swing states, and now hes within margin of error in PA

I agree, but I wont judge polling on this debate until at least friday as most polls use a rolling 3 day average.

I also like the real clear politics averages over a single poll.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html#battlegr ounds

[nelson9995]

Obama knows he has no chance in a state like GA full of people like sinfix and vteckidd lol (no harm intended). He has to worry about states in the northeast, etc...

Romney DID not tie this. He got shut down and his mask was taken off.
Who here agrees that Obama put him out like the hypocrite he is?
Against Obamacare but you did the same?
Care for 100& of Americans but 47% are "victims."
Wants to create jobs but outsources them out of country?

Come on guys.

[nelson9995]

New Gallup poll has Romney up 6% over Obama among likely voters (About tied when considering margin of error)

The race for president is about tied among likely voters -- markedly different from 2008, when Barack Obama won by seven percentage points. Compared with 2008, support for Obama is down sharply among men, college graduates, and Southern voters.

Most be a republican poll. The poll I saw had Obama in the high 40's and Romney in the 30's.

[BanginJimmy]

Obama knows he has no chance in a state like GA full of people like sinfix and vteckidd lol (no harm intended). He has to worry about states in the northeast, etc...

Romney DID not tie this. He got shut down and his mask was taken off.
Who here agrees that Obama put him out like the hypocrite he is?
Against Obamacare but you did the same?
Care for 100& of Americans but 47% are "victims."
Wants to create jobs but outsources them out of country?

Come on guys.

I believe I have told you this before but I think it needs repeated. You are too stupid for this forum.


Lets play your game about Libya though for a second and lets see if you have an answer.

The day after the attack, Obama says it was a terrorist plot.

Please explain to me why he, and the rest of the senior members of his Admin, changed their story and blamed the attack on a protest that never happened? How did this protest that never happened over a video that no one saw get out of hand and lead to a spontaneous attack? These should be simple questions to answer since he know the day after the attack that it was terrorism.

[Vteckidd]

Obama knows he has no chance in a state like GA full of people like sinfix and vteckidd lol (no harm intended). He has to worry about states in the northeast, etc...

Romney DID not tie this. He got shut down and his mask was taken off.
Who here agrees that Obama put him out like the hypocrite he is?
Against Obamacare but you did the same?
Care for 100& of Americans but 47% are "victims."
Wants to create jobs but outsources them out of country?

Come on guys.

its worthless debating people like you because A) youre incompetent on the issues B) youre so partisan its like arguing with a wall. The fact youre classifying me as a hardcore republican is laughable and proves you are such a noob in this forum you probably shouldnt even be in here forming those kinds of opinions.

1) Most places gave Obama the win in the debate. I dont know how. I dont think Romney won either. But, did Obama do well enough to erase the major momentum Romney gained from the first debate? Absolutely not.
2) State exactly what is hypocritical. Because last night Obama said 2 major things that were highly laughable and hypocritical.
3) Romney healthcare plan was nowhere near what Obamacare is, proves you dont know the issues. State passed legislation isnt congruent to national federal take over of healthcare. noob
4) he said 47% of the people view themselves as victims. He will never convince them, youre probably 1 of those 47% of people. No matter what he says you wont believe him because of your disdain for your career, your life, the "RICH" , or whatever your excuse is. He wins your vote by giving you more opportunity.
5) Outsources? REally? Cool Democrat talking point bro. So tell me, where is STAPLES LOCATED? the US? are those OUTSOURCED JOBS? Outsourcing is part of business jackass, it happens. GO RUN YOUR OWN COMPANY IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT BETTER.

Lastly, Obama has sent MASSIVE jobs overseas from the stimulus.

pull your head out of your ass you just sound stupid

[BanginJimmy]

Most be a republican poll. The poll I saw had Obama in the high 40's and Romney in the 30's.

That poll is 3 weeks old and was taken before the first debate.

[Vteckidd]

Most be a republican poll. The poll I saw had Obama in the high 40's and Romney in the 30's.

youre too stupid for this forum.

Gallup isnt a republican poll. Neither is Rasmussen or RCP.

[Vteckidd]

That poll is 3 weeks old and was taken before the first debate.

cant you ban forum trolls? Seriously he has no reason to be in here.

[BanginJimmy]

I've seriously thought about it but his only offense is his own stupidity. As much as I would enjoy it, this forum doesnt require a minimum IQ.

I'm not a supermod with ban powers. I can only moderate posts.

[nelson9995]

I will open my own company really soon actually and show break down to you how a company is ran without taking advantage of people like Romney did. Call me as stupid as you want... I know for a fact I have more opportunity in finding better jobs than you, all day long. You wouldn't survive being thrown in a country out of your language, learn the language, make a career, start a business, and get as far as I have. You don't know me... You got shit on me...

You don't know my experience or qualifications. Don't insult me saying I'm the 47%. I understand that many of those people really do temporarily need it and many are taking advantage of it.

Accept it or not. You are a hardcore Republican.
Many more can agree.

[BanginJimmy]

I will open my own company really soon actually and show break down to you how a company is ran without taking advantage of people like Romney did. Call me as stupid as you want... I know for a fact I have more opportunity to find better jobs than you. You wouldn't survive being thrown in a country out of your language, learn the language, make a career, start a business, and get as far as I have. You don't know me... You got shit on me...

Accept it or not. You are a hardcore Republican.
Many more can agree.



Thats cute.

Now answer my question.



Please explain to me why he, and the rest of the senior members of his Admin, changed their story and blamed the attack on a protest that never happened? How did this protest that never happened over a video that no one saw get out of hand and lead to a spontaneous attack? These should be simple questions to answer since he know the day after the attack that it was terrorism.

[ahabion]

Thats cute.

Now answer my question.

He can't. A country beyond Mexico's borders is not important enough to worry about. The news has said that the consolate members probably had it coming to them anyway. If the Lilly Ledbetter Act were not being argued by the Right, those Americans would have been saved. It would've scare those South American Libyans enough since it Obama did say that they would be able to better protect the women from Southern Gahdahfi forces.

[ahabion]

The moderator never changed what she said post debate. she just acknowledged what she said. Romney tried to set Obama up for the okey doke, Obama and Crowley called him out.

I think they call the dance, backtracking...


http://youtu.be/E_8KwR4N3Gw

Just barely 20-30 mins post debate that she said this... I was watching it live when she did.

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Like I said before, this doesn't change anything she said. LOL

[ahabion]

you know i dont really take issue with the ORIGINAL statement Obama made. He did allude to freedom of speech being the cause , paraphrasing , he said something about we denouce anyone who speaks ill of anothers religion of something.

The problem i have is the 10 days afterward, where his administration, UN ambassador, Carney, Clinton, and then Obama himself on the view and at the UN outright stated it was a protest or youtube video that caused it all.

That my friend, is the problem.

they are either
A) Incompetent
B) Lying.

They are both.

Obama tried to throw Hillary under the bus before the debate but when he found out he would be exposed as the Chief Exec. of the War on Women and lose women votes, he recanted. Now that he's come out and said that he's responsible, they are going to have a field day on next week's debate. Why the coverup? Why the deceit?

[BanginJimmy]

Like I said before, this doesn't change anything she said. LOL


Again, if Obama meant that Libya was a terror attack why did he and his entire admin change their story and make up a protest about a video? It took 2 weeks and several several people and reports coming to surface before them to actually tell part of the truth.

[ahabion]

Like I said before, this doesn't change anything she said. LOL

No it doesn't. Other than the fact that Mitt Romney was 100% percent correct; which was very obviously construed to the American public as if he was not.

You know what I don't get .blank, is that you're a man of science who refuses to see the overwhelming evidence that Obama is has no idea how this country works nor know how to get its economy running again. It's not even remotely questionable... but you don't have to hear it from me... Here is someone from your kin.


http://youtu.be/FwUb00CIxD8

What's this got to do with this forum? Well, it just shows that science is as exactly it should be. Republicans/Conservatives know the practical applications of the economy and policies in regards to order and structure while Democrats/Liberals are more educated and the dreamers. Meaning, it's nice to have dreams... but when it actually comes to real world application, Republicans KNOW how to make it practical.

[ahabion]

I hate how you lie to our faces about something we all saw. You clearly dislike Obama. Romney was ridiculized when the moderator said yes he did when Obama said "repeat that". where you jerking off when this happened? Romney got red and choked. Come on man.

If you watched this debate Romney was brought out like what he is.... A hypocrite...
How are you against Obamacare when you did the same in Mass... How are you against the bailing of GM when Romney accepted a bailout of I believe 40 millions in 2002 to save his company. He was shown as what he is... A HYPOCRITE. Obama clearly took this one home.

Hypocrite? From a Democrat? Not likely.


http://youtu.be/posz1HCgpgM

[C230K]

3 weeks from now I am going to be laughing, when Obama gets reelected and make a thread titled "I Told You So". I highly doubt, that the rest of the 53% will vote for Romney

[Echonova]

3 weeks from now I am going to be laughing, when Obama gets reelected and make a thread titled "I Told You So". I highly doubt, that the rest of the 53% will vote for RomneyObama is going to lose the election, and lose big.



You heard it here first.

[nelson9995]

lol... i will laugh too

[Vteckidd]

I will open my own company really soon actually and show break down to you how a company is ran without taking advantage of people like Romney did. Call me as stupid as you want... I know for a fact I have more opportunity in finding better jobs than you, all day long. You wouldn't survive being thrown in a country out of your language, learn the language, make a career, start a business, and get as far as I have. You don't know me... You got shit on me...

You don't know my experience or qualifications. Don't insult me saying I'm the 47%. I understand that many of those people really do temporarily need it and many are taking advantage of it.

Accept it or not. You are a hardcore Republican.
Many more can agree.
when you actually run your own business youll realize that many of the decisions you make affect other people. Not only do you have to feed yourself, you have to feed your employees, pay the bills, deal with costs, etc.

Right now, youre a peon, you have no idea how a business works. all you see is "rich" and "not rich". You think running a business is easy. You bash Romney who is a successful businessman. You are trashing Romney for the very system you are saying you want to use. That is why you are a waste of debate. You are so clueless and dumb you dont even know youre arguing against your own position.

Romney employed people and paid people salaries by investing in their companies. How many people do you employ?

thats what i thought

[Vteckidd]

Im not going to site here and predict who is going to win, because we still have 3 weeks to go and 1 debate. Its going to be close, it will not be a landslide either way IMO.

[nelson9995]

when you actually run your own business youll realize that many of the decisions you make affect other people. Not only do you have to feed yourself, you have to feed your employees, pay the bills, deal with costs, etc.

Right now, youre a peon, you have no idea how a business works. all you see is "rich" and "not rich". You think running a business is easy. You bash Romney who is a successful businessman. You are trashing Romney for the very system you are saying you want to use. That is why you are a waste of debate. You are so clueless and dumb you dont even know youre arguing against your own position.

Romney employed people and paid people salaries by investing in their companies. How many people do you employ?

thats what i thought

All this greatly depends on the type of business you are running. I am not looking to use the same system as Romney. There are different ways to get things done. Which is what I will demonstrate.

[BanginJimmy]

All this greatly depends on the type of business you are running. I am not looking to use the same system as Romney. There are different ways to get things done. Which is what I will demonstrate.

You still didnt answer my question.

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[Echonova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dX_1B0w7Hzc#!

[WhiteAccord]

I will open my own company really soon actually and show break down to you how a company is ran without taking advantage of people like Romney did. Call me as stupid as you want... I know for a fact I have more opportunity in finding better jobs than you, all day long. You wouldn't survive being thrown in a country out of your language, learn the language, make a career, start a business, and get as far as I have. You don't know me... You got shit on me...

You don't know my experience or qualifications. Don't insult me saying I'm the 47%. I understand that many of those people really do temporarily need it and many are taking advantage of it.

Accept it or not. You are a hardcore Republican.
Many more can agree.


This kid right here makes me giggle... :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[BanginJimmy]

This kid right here makes me giggle... :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

It is funny until you realize he actually believes what he types. At that point it is both sad and scary. I mean, this guy may actually reproduce.

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[Vteckidd]

All this greatly depends on the type of business you are running. I am not looking to use the same system as Romney. There are different ways to get things done. Which is what I will demonstrate.

its all talk. The capitalist system exists for all businesses. Whether youre a multimillionaire or a peon.

Seeing as I have owned a business, and worked for many small businesses myself, I KNOW how it works. you dont.

[Sinfix_15]

3 weeks from now I am going to be laughing, when Obama gets reelected and make a thread titled "I Told You So". I highly doubt, that the rest of the 53% will vote for Romney

Yeah, i'll be laughing too. I mean, it sure is hilarious to reelect a president who has tripled our debt and put millions of us out of a job.

[E36slide]

Guys why are yall arguing about which idiot gets elected?

Romney: another bush trying to make his pockets fatter.

Obama: a total celebrity who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Doesn't matter who gets elected were all fucked.

Watching the debate the other night it's obvious Obama will get elected again. Unless you want another busch is office?
I'm voting for big bird or barney they know what's best.

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[.blank cd]

Yeah, i'll be laughing too. I mean, it sure is hilarious to reelect a president who has tripled our debt and put millions of us out of a job.

It's happened before. Which isn't to say he was solely responsible, but yeah, it's happened before

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YZozBM5kcg4/T8PFC8TjhfI/AAAAAAAABm0/cZIstIq7dR8/s1600/president-george-w-bush1000.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

Guys why are yall arguing about which idiot gets elected?

Romney: another bush trying to make his pockets fatter.

Obama: a total celebrity who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Doesn't matter who gets elected were all fucked.

Watching the debate the other night it's obvious Obama will get elected again. Unless you want another busch is office?
I'm voting for big bird or barney they know what's best.

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All jokes aside..... a moron of this magnitude should be banned from infesting this section of the forum.

[Sinfix_15]

It's happened before. Which isn't to say he was solely responsible, but yeah, it's happened before

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YZozBM5kcg4/T8PFC8TjhfI/AAAAAAAABm0/cZIstIq7dR8/s1600/president-george-w-bush1000.jpg

So funny to me when Obama supporters look down on Bush.... you realize that Obama TRIPLED Bush's worst deficit right? Bush went from a sub 200 billion deficit to right at a 500 billion deficit and people acted like the world was coming to an end, then Obama comes behind him and triples that "world coming to an end" deficit and Obama supporters are still like....

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2010/7/26/9224e9ab-b7fa-433d-92c8-75e9cb91f2b6.jpg

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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bjr0xDHj1rbsctpo1_500.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bjr0xDHj1rbsctpo1_500.jpg

I'm sure you can go to great lengths rationalizing the errors of this presidency but it's time for me to head back to work. Something a lot more people will be able to say in a few more weeks when Obama is removed from office.

[E36slide]

All jokes aside..... a moron of this magnitude should be banned from infesting this section of the forum.

Dont be hard on yourself.

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[BanginJimmy]

All jokes aside..... a moron of this magnitude should be banned from infesting this section of the forum.

If I had the power I would add you to the list also.

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[E36slide]

So funny to me when Obama supporters look down on Bush.... you realize that Obama TRIPLED Bush's worst deficit right? Bush went from a sub 200 billion deficit to right at a 500 billion deficit and people acted like the world was coming to an end, then Obama comes behind him and triples that "world coming to an end" deficit and Obama supporters are still like....

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2010/7/26/9224e9ab-b7fa-433d-92c8-75e9cb91f2b6.jpg

And were all like....."cool fucking story bro"

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[Vteckidd]

It's happened before. Which isn't to say he was solely responsible, but yeah, it's happened before

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YZozBM5kcg4/T8PFC8TjhfI/AAAAAAAABm0/cZIstIq7dR8/s1600/president-george-w-bush1000.jpg

I dont think anyone can rationally argue that Obama has not spent an ungodly amount of money and achieved little for it. I think bush WORSE spending year was maybe a 400-500 billion deficit? Obama is 1 trillion + EVERY YEAR.

Bush inherited a surplus (that wasnt really a surplus) from clinton, but then we had 9/11 and an immediate recession when .com bubble burst. then Katrina.

you realize Obama has had no major terrorist attack or natural disaster YET.

The fact bush averaged 4-5% during his term despite those problems, is hard to argue against.

[Vteckidd]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bjr0xDHj1rbsctpo1_500.jpg
I LOLed

Obama doesnt get all the blame, but he gets most of it. IMO his policies arent working. hes had 4 years and i dont think hes done enough

[BanginJimmy]

Gallop poll today has Romney up 7 and for the first time this campaign a candidate has topped 50%.

Romney up 52-45.

I understand it is an outlier poll but Gallop is well respected and known to be pretty accurate. It is also the largest poll (2700 respondents) since the conventions.

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[Vteckidd]

Bob Beckel today on the five said "if these numbers are true, this is over, Obama has no chance".

Been in politics for 30-35 years and he said if a candidate is 7-8 points ahead with 2 weeks to go, hes never seen someone fall that fast in 2 weeks.

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This election season has been all over the place. This might be closer than I thought

[BanginJimmy]

Bob Beckel today on the five said "if these numbers are true, this is over, Obama has no chance".

Been in politics for 30-35 years and he said if a candidate is 7-8 points ahead with 2 weeks to go, hes never seen someone fall that fast in 2 weeks.

That is still an outlier poll that doesnt account for the debate on tuesday.

Obama needs to absolutely kill it on Monday if he wants to have a shot at winning this. The obvious coverup and/or ineptness over Benghazi will make that nearly impossible though.



Another thing I heard today, I believe it was on The Five, every time slot in every swing district in the country that was made available for political ads is already sold. The may really hurt Obama in districts he thought he had secured but are now in play and Romney owns the majority of the time slots.

[BanginJimmy]

This election season has been all over the place. This might be closer than I thought

The terrible first debate then Benghazi has really hurt Obama bad.

[Echonova]

lol... i will laugh too


Im not going to site here and predict who is going to win, because we still have 3 weeks to go and 1 debate. Its going to be close, it will not be a landslide either way IMO.


This election season has been all over the place. This might be closer than I thoughtRomney will win by a large margin. Will be a short night for the poll results, also the Republicans will have 52 seats in the Senate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO1jfZvngko

[E36slide]

Romney will win by a large margin. Will be a short night for the poll results, also the Republicans will have 52 seats in the Senate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO1jfZvngko

He won't win if he doesn't take Ohio.


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[Vteckidd]

He won't win if he doesn't take Ohio.


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Not true there are several paths without Ohio especially if PA falls.

[.blank cd]

Not true there are several paths without Ohio especially if PA falls.

Last polls I saw, most of the swing states gave Obama a bump over Romney.

[BanginJimmy]

Last polls I saw, most of the swing states gave Obama a bump over Romney.

But all of those were within the margin or error with the exception PA.

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[Sinfix_15]

If I had the power I would add you to the list also.

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That hurts. I actually do follow politics, i just dont flip off my asshole button when venturing to this section.

[BanginJimmy]

That hurts. I actually do follow politics, i just dont flip off my asshole button when venturing to this section.

You may or may not follow politics, but you sure as hell don't post anything productive.

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[Echonova]

This has nothing to do with Politics per say... Other than I find them both humorous.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJpf6tidn0&feature=related

[BanginJimmy]

This has nothing to do with Politics per say... Other than I find them both humorous.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJpf6tidn0&feature=related


some of those got a chuckle. Especially the guy that walked into the pole.

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/images/Ramirez.jpeg