Watch as Paul Ryan embarrasses himself in front of his children

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Be careful. This is painful to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2WVJNxOpvY&sns=em

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in that clip alone Paul Ryan gained more work experience than Obama.

And in addition to that..... if Obama wins again, we may all soon be eating at soup kitchens.

[Sinfix_15]

History of Deficits and Surpluses In The United States (http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php)

4 largest deficits in the history of the united states....

2009 Obama
2010 Obama
2011 Obama
2012 Obama

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This is the tragedy of politics...... nobody ever accepts blame..... and even with all of the facts laid on the table, someone smart and reasonable like Blank is still capable of falling victim to the propaganda.

If Obama really cared about america..... he would step down.

[Sammich]

has Romney done anything bad?

[Sammich]

i do have a question though, what does washing dishes have to do w/ anything? i just wanna know, that's all

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This is the tragedy of politics...... nobody ever accepts blame.....You mean people assign too much blame

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i do have a question though, what does washing dishes have to do w/ anything? i just wanna know, that's all

Romney didn't do anything bad here. Ryan came to this charity unannounced for a photo op. The organizer of the apolitical charity is worried he'll lose some private donations cause it looks like he's taken a political stance.

[Sammich]

Romney didn't do anything bad here. Ryan came to this charity unannounced for a photo op. The organizer of the apolitical charity is worried he'll lose some private donations cause it looks like he's taken a political stance.

no i get that. i'm talking period. Sinfix came barging in this thread w/ 'bad things that Obama has done' which prompted my question. like damn, chill the fuk out

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I guess it just takes someone smart and reasonable to recognize propaganda


History of Deficits and Surpluses In The United States (http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php)

4 largest deficits in the history of the united states....

2009 Obama
2010 Obama
2011 Obama
2012 Obama

Bingo...

[BanginJimmy]

I guess it just takes someone smart and reasonable to recognize propaganda



Bingo...

How was any of that propaganda? Other than FY 12, those are known facts.


Do you also believe that article by Rex Nutting that under Obama, spending only increased by 1.6%?

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How was any of that propaganda? Other than FY 12, those are known facts.

"Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes"

Only one half of the argument is provided. Maybe he had the largest deficit, but why

[BanginJimmy]

Only one half of the argument is provided. Maybe he had the largest deficit, but why

Because he approved spending VASTLY more money than was brought in. Was it really that hard to figure out, or was this a blame Bush reference?

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Because he approved spending VASTLY more money than was brought in. Was it really that hard to figure out, or was this a blame Bush reference?

Do you think two financially draining wars, coupled with tax cuts, coupled with an enormous corporate and financial system bailout had nothing to do with it? You can't just wipe the slate clean there because you think the phrase "Bush's fault" is just rhetoric. Doesn't work that way. Obama is not absolved from blame either because when he had an opportunity to end the wars and the tax cuts, he backed down from the cries of "tax increases is socializum" "ending the war is isolationizum"

[BanginJimmy]

Do you think two financially draining wars, coupled with tax cuts, coupled with an enormous corporate and financial system bailout had nothing to do with it? You can't just wipe the slate clean there because you think the phrase "Bush's fault" is just rhetoric. Doesn't work that way. Obama is not absolved from blame either because when he had an opportunity to end the wars and the tax cuts, he backed down from the cries of "tax increases is socializum" "ending the war is isolationizum"

At the time the stimulus was signed, the stimulus was more expensive than Iraq and Asscrackistan combined so you can throw that BS excuse out the window.

TARP was paid back 3 years ago, with interest, by every institution that got cash except Fannie and Freddie.

Tax cuts not paid for? Still doesnt explain why those same wars and tax cuts only resulted in a high of 500B deficits under Bush and a low of 1.3T under Obama. The drop in revenue does not account for that spike in deficit spending either.

Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/budget.php)

Since the Bush tax cuts were enacted, deficits dropped every year until the recession hit in 2007 and 2008. That is with those same 2 wars going on.

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Joe Biden would just get lost trying to find his way to a soup kitchen. Then once he finds it he starts a rukus over them not having cream potato soup.

[Sinfix_15]

Do you think two financially draining wars, coupled with tax cuts, coupled with an enormous corporate and financial system bailout had nothing to do with it? You can't just wipe the slate clean there because you think the phrase "Bush's fault" is just rhetoric. Doesn't work that way. Obama is not absolved from blame either because when he had an opportunity to end the wars and the tax cuts, he backed down from the cries of "tax increases is socializum" "ending the war is isolationizum"

Let me get some clarification here, me posting factual statistical documents about Obama's deficit is propaganda, but you making generalizations and misspelling things on purpose is how educated people express opinions?

OK, let me try your way then....

"yo yo homie, i no u be luvin dem food stamps en all, but we gotz a majer sosodef sits that Obama dun run up that we gotz to pay fer"

[Sammich]

[b]Do you think two financially draining wars[b], coupled with tax cuts, coupled with an enormous corporate and financial system bailout had nothing to do with it? You can't just wipe the slate clean there because you think the phrase "Bush's fault" is just rhetoric. Doesn't work that way. Obama is not absolved from blame either because when he had an opportunity to end the wars and the tax cuts, he backed down from the cries of "tax increases is socializum" "ending the war is isolationizum"

that war is exacttttttttttly what i was thinking about all yesterday on how people said that it's all obama's fault...those wars were ongoing when obama got into office...so of course they still had to pay for it...i swear some people gota chill. he's still trying to eliminate those wars as well, if i'm not mistaken, correct me if i'm wrong. if i see it right, eliminating/stopping those wars will allow more money to other avenues to help out the deficit/economy.

[Sinfix_15]

that war is exacttttttttttly what i was thinking about all yesterday on how people said that it's all obama's fault...those wars were ongoing when obama got into office...so of course they still had to pay for it...i swear some people gota chill. he's still trying to eliminate those wars as well, if i'm not mistaken, correct me if i'm wrong. if i see it right, eliminating/stopping those wars will allow more money to other avenues to help out the deficit/economy.

Yet the war never ran up Bush's own deficit to this insane level even though he was in office for 8 years. This is also not the first war in american history. Obama's deficits are the highest in the history of our country and theyre not even close to the others.

Quit making excuses for this president. Everything he told you he could do was a lie. Feel bad for him if you want to, but feel bad for him when he goes back to chicago. He doesnt belong in the white house.

[Sammich]

you on some shit, literally

[Sinfix_15]

you on some shit, literally

here you go. Obama has the highest deficit by LARGE margin in american history with nobody even remotely close to his level of incompetency. You agree Bush was a bad president, yet you apologize for and make excuses for someone who was significantly worse and less experienced. Obama went from being the least experienced Presidential candidate in american history, to the least qualified standing president in american history, to the president with the worst record in american history.

Keep apologizing for him and allowing him to cash blank checks. You'll remember the effect this will have on your life when you get older.




History of Deficits and Surpluses In The United States (http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php)



1940 $2.9 Billion Deficit $47.54 Billion Deficit D D D

1941 $4.9 Billion Deficit $76.56 Billion Deficit D D D

1942 $20.5 Billion Deficit $288.73 Billion Deficit D D D

1943 $54.6 Billion Deficit $728 Billion Deficit D D D

1944 $47.6 Billion Deficit $618.18 Billion Deficit D D D

1945 $47.6 Billion Deficit $610.26 Billion Deficit D D D

1946 $15.9 Billion Deficit $187.06 Billion Deficit D D D

1947 $4 Billion Surplus $41.24 Billion Surplus D R R

1948 $11.8 Billion Surplus $112.38 Billion Surplus D R R

1949 $0.6 Billion Surplus $5.77 Billion Surplus D D D

1950 $3.1 Billion Deficit $29.52 Billion Deficit D D D

1951 $6.1 Billion Surplus $53.98 Billion Surplus D D D

1952 $1.5 Billion Deficit $12.93 Billion Deficit D D D

1953 $6.5 Billion Deficit $56.03 Billion Deficit R R D

1954 $1.2 Billion Deficit $10.26 Billion Deficit R R D

1955 $3 Billion Deficit $25.64 Billion Deficit R D D

1956 $3.9 Billion Surplus $32.77 Billion Surplus R D D

1957 $3.4 Billion Surplus $27.64 Billion Surplus R D D

1958 $2.8 Billion Deficit $22.22 Billion Deficit R D D

1959 $12.8 Billion Deficit $100.79 Billion Deficit R D D

1960 $0.3 Billion Surplus $2.33 Billion Surplus R D D

1961 $3.3 Billion Deficit $25.38 Billion Deficit D D D

1962 $7.1 Billion Deficit $53.79 Billion Deficit D D D

1963 $4.8 Billion Deficit $36.09 Billion Deficit D D D

1964 $5.9 Billion Deficit $43.7 Billion Deficit D D D

1965 $1.4 Billion Deficit $10.22 Billion Deficit D D D

1966 $3.7 Billion Deficit $26.24 Billion Deficit D D D

1967 $8.6 Billion Deficit $58.9 Billion Deficit D D D

1968 $25.2 Billion Deficit $165.79 Billion Deficit D D D

1969 $3.2 Billion Surplus $20 Billion Surplus R D D

1970 $2.8 Billion Deficit $16.57 Billion Deficit R D D

1971 $23 Billion Deficit $129.94 Billion Deficit R D D

1972 $23.4 Billion Deficit $128.57 Billion Deficit R D D

1973 $14.9 Billion Deficit $76.8 Billion Deficit R D D

1974 $6.1 Billion Deficit $28.37 Billion Deficit R D D

1975 $53.2 Billion Deficit $226.38 Billion Deficit R D D

1976 $73.7 Billion Deficit $297.18 Billion Deficit R D D

1977 $53.7 Billion Deficit $203.41 Billion Deficit D D D

1978 $59.2 Billion Deficit $208.45 Billion Deficit D D D

1979 $40.7 Billion Deficit $128.39 Billion Deficit D D D

1980 $73.8 Billion Deficit $205.57 Billion Deficit D D D

1981 $79 Billion Deficit $199.49 Billion Deficit R R D

1982 $128 Billion Deficit $304.04 Billion Deficit R R D

1983 $207.8 Billion Deficit $478.8 Billion Deficit R R D

1984 $185.4 Billion Deficit $409.27 Billion Deficit R R D

1985 $212.3 Billion Deficit $452.67 Billion Deficit R R D

1986 $221.2 Billion Deficit $462.76 Billion Deficit R R D

1987 $149.7 Billion Deficit $302.42 Billion Deficit R D D

1988 $155.2 Billion Deficit $300.78 Billion Deficit R D D

1989 $152.5 Billion Deficit $281.89 Billion Deficit R D D

1990 $221.2 Billion Deficit $388.07 Billion Deficit R D D

1991 $269.3 Billion Deficit $453.37 Billion Deficit R D D

1992 $290.4 Billion Deficit $474.51 Billion Deficit R D D

1993 $255.1 Billion Deficit $404.92 Billion Deficit D D D

1994 $203.2 Billion Deficit $314.55 Billion Deficit D D D

1995 $164 Billion Deficit $246.62 Billion Deficit D R R

1996 $107.5 Billion Deficit $157.16 Billion Deficit D R R

1997 $22 Billion Deficit $31.43 Billion Deficit D R R

1998 $69.2 Billion Surplus $97.33 Billion Surplus D R R

1999 $125.6 Billion Surplus $172.76 Billion Surplus D R R

2000 $236.4 Billion Surplus $314.78 Billion Surplus D R R

2001 $127.3 Billion Surplus $164.9 Billion Surplus R D R

2002 $157.8 Billion Deficit $201.02 Billion Deficit R D R

2003 $377.6 Billion Deficit $470.82 Billion Deficit R R R

2004 $413 Billion Deficit $501.21 Billion Deficit R R R

2005 $318 Billion Deficit $373.24 Billion Deficit R R R

2006 $248 Billion Deficit $282.14 Billion Deficit R R R

2007 $161 Billion Deficit $178.1 Billion Deficit R D D

2008 $459 Billion Deficit $488.82 Billion Deficit R D D

2009 $1413 Billion Deficit $1509.62 Billion Deficit D D D < OBAMA... Democrats control Senate AND House.

2010 $1294 Billion Deficit $1360.67 Billion Deficit D D D

2011 $1299 Billion Deficit $1324.16 Billion Deficit D D R

2012 $1100 Billion Deficit $1100 Billion Deficit D D R

Obama spent his first 2 years with complete control of the senate and house and all he did was run up the biggest deficit in the history of our country. Nearly triple that of Bush who was also at war. Now Obama complains the house wont work with him..... he had the house for 2 years and did nothing. Bush dealt with the same issue.... being a republican president when democrats controlled the senate and house, yet his deficit is 1/3rd of Obama.

[Sinfix_15]

You can add together Bush's last 4 years in office and it doesnt add up to Obama's first year as president.......

"im on some shit" yeah... let me tell you the shit im on... its called being frustrated with how stupid america has become that you can beat them over the head with facts and they still refuse to accept reality. That while people are losing their homes and jobs.... whether or not a women's birth control bills are paid for is probably going to decide this election.

Thats the shit im on. Liberal shit.... a country being ran by morons

Standing before a 488 billion deficit, Obama looked at america and said that he would cut the deficit in half. What he did was triple it.

[Sammich]

i looked at the link when you posted it, i guess you didnt see the last year as well that bush was in office he doubled the deficit, meaning the surplus he had he eliminated and contributed to a deficit, and left unnecessary wars in the new president's lap along w/ a failing economy, that many said even before the new president got into office, that the economy is worse than the original depression. you have a eye that doesnt allow a broad scope of everything that is going on and only focus on the one thing. i asked earlier in this thread is romney perfect, straight up question that you ignored. not one of these politicians are perfect. if the dem or rep weren't so up their ass about being ignorant and actually thought about the PERSON across the room who was 'on the other side' and what they had to say and not look at it as 'this dumbass democrat' or 'this dumbass republican', put their pride aside and actually saw the benefit of what they were trying to do, they'd probably make some headway that would have been a better progression.

nothing wrong w/ saying 'you know that's a great idea, but let's change this one thing here' or 'let's not do so much of this and a little more of this'

majority that's into politics, including you, are too ignorant to see things in that light

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i looked at the link when you posted it, i guess you didnt see the last year as well that bush was in office he doubled the deficit, meaning the surplus he had he eliminated and contributed to a deficit, and left unnecessary wars in the new president's lap along w/ a failing economy, that many said even before the new president got into office, that the economy is worse than the original depression. you have a eye that doesnt allow a broad scope of everything that is going on and only focus on the one thing. i asked earlier in this thread is romney perfect, straight up question that you ignored. not one of these politicians are perfect. if the dem or rep weren't so up their ass about being ignorant and actually thought about the PERSON across the room who was 'on the other side' and what they had to say and not look at it as 'this dumbass democrat' or 'this dumbass republican', put their pride aside and actually saw the benefit of what they were trying to do, they'd probably make some headway that would have been a better progression.

nothing wrong w/ saying 'you know that's a great idea, but let's change this one thing here' or 'let's not do so much of this and a little more of this'

majority that's into politics, including you, are too ignorant to see things in that light

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Bush doubled a 161 Billion deficit......................... Obama then TRIPLED that deficit.....

This is the problem, people like you will defend Obama to the grave and make an excuse for everything he does. Obama could set the white house on fire and burn it to the ground.....

these next day some bleeding heart tree hugging liberal like yourself would be in a forum or chat room praising him for it.

George Bush was not a good president. George Bush was a better president than Obama.

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and yes.... you asked a stupid question that i ignored.... question is still stupid.... im still ignoring it.

[Sammich]

lol yea ok...w/e you say

[Sinfix_15]

lol yea ok...w/e you say

You're condemning Bush for a 488 billion deficit and in the same sentence defending Obama for a 1.4 TRILLION deficit... the highest in american history. One that he has maintained for 4 years in office. The same deficit he lied to you when he said he would cut it in half.

It shouldnt even be a question....... president is a failure, remove him.

[Sammich]

he didnt lie to me, because i didnt vote for him, neither any other president before, nor will i after him. i dont trust politicians period. there's a 99% chance you read just the first sentence and made your comments after that, either that or your ignorance supercedes and sort of reasoning. because i obviously stated something that could result in a better solution for both parties

[Sinfix_15]

he didnt lie to me, because i didnt vote for him, neither any other president before, nor will i after him. i dont trust politicians period. there's a 99% chance you read just the first sentence and made your comments after that, either that or your ignorance supercedes and sort of reasoning. because i obviously stated something that could result in a better solution for both parties

It's not that easy. If Obama was willing to compromise, he would. They throw in loaded bills with emotional points in them and other points they know will be refused.

Extreme example to make a point.....

Obama Bill - "lower the deficit, create jobs, candy for everyone in america, cure cancer, cut the nuts off every republican in the house"
Obama the next day on national TV - " sign this bill, sign this bill, sign this bill, sign this bill"
House - "we wont sign that"
Obama- "the house doesnt want to lower the deficit or create jobs"

If Obama was willing to compromise, compromise would be had. He's force feeding his agenda down our throats and running up the deficit with reckless abandon. He has the black vote secured no matter what..... NOTHING can change that...... and he has the leverage of being the pro-choice candidate. He's not going to compromise.... made evident by his lack of compromise in the last 4 years.

[Sammich]

so every republican does say 'cut off the nuts of every democrat'?! you are seriously on some shit. this is exactly what i'm saying, as i stated plain and simple in my post and he doesnt have 'black vote secured no matter what'...there's alot of ignorance in your post, nothing being exaggerated.

[Sinfix_15]

so every republican does say 'cut off the nuts of every democrat'?! you are seriously on some shit. this is exactly what i'm saying, as i stated plain and simple in my post and he doesnt have 'black vote secured no matter what'...there's alot of ignorance in your post, nothing being exaggerated.

yeah, it goes both ways. you can judge performance based on the numbers i've put forth. They both fight for things. Obama, made evident by his HISTORICALLY bad numbers, is not very good at this process and is not a very good president.

You find a way to defense or excuse Obama of any responsibility. I get it... 1st black president... got the memo....



with that said.............. you're not voting, waste of time talking to you about politics.

[Sammich]

black = obama card is overplayed and you need new shit, period

[Sinfix_15]

black = obama card is overplayed and you need new shit, period

I'm more worried about the women vote than i am the black vote.... i know Obama has the black vote... made evident by history. It's not a big deal.... but its not something i feel any shame in saying either. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote.

[Sinfix_15]

One last thing before i go................

If Obama gets less than 90% of the black vote, i'll never say another word about black people and will apologize for everything ive ever said.

[Sammich]

anything less than 100% and i'll agree w/ you

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I'm more worried about the women vote than i am the black vote.... i know Obama has the black vote... made evident by history. It's not a big deal.... but its not something i feel any shame in saying either. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote.

After last night, Obama will have the woman vote too

[BanginJimmy]

that war is exacttttttttttly what i was thinking about all yesterday on how people said that it's all obama's fault...those wars were ongoing when obama got into office...so of course they still had to pay for it...i swear some people gota chill. he's still trying to eliminate those wars as well, if i'm not mistaken, correct me if i'm wrong. if i see it right, eliminating/stopping those wars will allow more money to other avenues to help out the deficit/economy.

Thopse 2 wars at their height accounted for less than 1/6th of Obama's annual deficit spending. They were less than 10% of the '09 deficit.

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Thopse 2 wars at their height accounted for less than 1/6th of Obama's annual deficit spending. They were less than 10% of the '09 deficit.

Just going off the link that Sinfix provided, without doing any additional research, it appears that the deficit nearly tripled under Bush, which leads me to believe it had a lot to do with a financial system crash and little to do with Bush's fault/Obamas fault. It also appears, by the same info, that the deficit has been reduced by nearly 30%. So why, again, are we telling half the story?

[BanginJimmy]

Just going off the link that Sinfix provided, without doing any additional research, it appears that the deficit nearly tripled under Bush, which leads me to believe it had a lot to do with a financial system crash and little to do with Bush's fault/Obamas fault. It also appears, by the same info, that the deficit has been reduced by nearly 30%. So why, again, are we telling half the story?

Not sure what where you are seeing this. Deficits under Bush dropped to as low as 161B right before the financial collapse then spikes to about 500B in 08.

We had a 1.7T deficit in 09. That was a joint effort of TARP and about 900B in stimulus. Is that your baseline for the drop? Also deficit spending number are slightly skewed in 09 and 10 by banks repaying TARP funds.

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[BanginJimmy]

Oh and I ignore just about everything sinfix posts.

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Not sure what where you are seeing this. Deficits under Bush dropped to as low as 161B right before the financial collapse then spikes to about 500B in 08.So I'm correct in saying the deficit nearly tripled under Bush.


We had a 1.7T deficit in 09. That was a joint effort of TARP and about 900B in stimulus. Is that your baseline for the drop? Also deficit spending number are slightly skewed in 09 and 10 by banks repaying TARP funds.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2Every source I see says 1.4T for the end of FY09

Does the president or does he not authorize spending for for the following fiscal year? Meaning he authorized spending for 08 in 07?

[Sammich]

Just going off the link that Sinfix provided, without doing any additional research, it appears that the deficit nearly tripled under Bush, which leads me to believe it had a lot to do with a financial system crash and little to do with Bush's fault/Obamas fault. It also appears, by the same info, that the deficit has been reduced by nearly 30%. So why, again, are we telling half the story?


Not sure what where you are seeing this. Deficits under Bush dropped to as low as 161B right before the financial collapse then spikes to about 500B in 08.

We had a 1.7T deficit in 09. That was a joint effort of TARP and about 900B in stimulus. Is that your baseline for the drop? Also deficit spending number are slightly skewed in 09 and 10 by banks repaying TARP funds.

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2001 $127.3 Billion Surplus $164.9 Billion Surplus R D R

2002 $157.8 Billion Deficit $201.02 Billion Deficit R D R

2003 $377.6 Billion Deficit $470.82 Billion Deficit R R R

2004 $413 Billion Deficit $501.21 Billion Deficit R R R

2005 $318 Billion Deficit $373.24 Billion Deficit R R R

2006 $248 Billion Deficit $282.14 Billion Deficit R R R

2007 $161 Billion Deficit $178.1 Billion Deficit R D D

2008 $459 Billion Deficit $488.82 Billion Deficit R D D

^i believe that's what he was referring to, that portion of the deficit/surplus numbers.

i'm curious w/ all those bailouts, did all the companies finish paying back and what not, those numbers also posted showed, although the deficit is still up there, that it's slowly decreasing.

i'll put i this way if he does get reelected, i believe the deficit will continue to drop, i doubt it'd be increased.

i almost look at it like this, kind of a business aspect...majority of the times you have to spend money to make money, i mean is that not true?

BUT one thing i will say this is the last time in my life i'll get involved w/ any sort of politics, both sides of this has left a salty taste in my mouth...each side is harsh, and people have even gotten real bent out of shape that i wont vote, like really? it's my decision to vote or not like it's your decision of who you want to vote for. i dont care who votes for who. i'm just like, dont sit there and harp down one person's throat. it's almost like...keep your vote decision to yourself

[BanginJimmy]

2001 $127.3 Billion Surplus $164.9 Billion Surplus R D R

2002 $157.8 Billion Deficit $201.02 Billion Deficit R D R

2003 $377.6 Billion Deficit $470.82 Billion Deficit R R R

2004 $413 Billion Deficit $501.21 Billion Deficit R R R

2005 $318 Billion Deficit $373.24 Billion Deficit R R R

2006 $248 Billion Deficit $282.14 Billion Deficit R R R

2007 $161 Billion Deficit $178.1 Billion Deficit R D D

2008 $459 Billion Deficit $488.82 Billion Deficit R D D

^i believe that's what he was referring to, that portion of the deficit/surplus numbers.

There is plenty of reason to believe that the surplus of FY2001 turned into a deficit in FY02 because of 2 things. The first is that the US was in a small recession caused by the dot com bubble bursting. The second, is the 9/11 attacks resulted in another small recession.

I like this reference from University of California-Santa Barbara better because it also shows govt revenue.
Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/budget.php)





i'm curious w/ all those bailouts, did all the companies finish paying back and what not, those numbers also posted showed, although the deficit is still up there, that it's slowly decreasing. i'll put i this way if he does get reelected, i believe the deficit will continue to drop, i doubt it'd be increased.

The only TARP funds that have not been repaid are the funds given to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. All other funds have been paid back, with interest.

Its very hard to tell if deficits will come down. Right now we are paying some of the taxes and fees for Obamacare, but the real spending hasnt started yet. Every model I have seen for the effects of Obamacare have been from biased organizations and come under pretty heavy criticism.

What we do know is that employers that do have the flexibility to do so, are going to adjust their practices to reduce their exposure to Obamacare. Dardin Restaurants recently said they were testing that policy in select regions now.




i almost look at it like this, kind of a business aspect...majority of the times you have to spend money to make money, i mean is that not true?

For a business yes, for govt its not nearly that simple. Because a govt cannot create wealth, only take it away from those that do, it stands to reason that policies that take more wealth out of the economy will hurt the economy.

[Sammich]

There is plenty of reason to believe that the surplus of FY2001 turned into a deficit in FY02 because of 2 things. The first is that the US was in a small recession caused by the dot com bubble bursting. The second, is the 9/11 attacks resulted in another small recession.

I like this reference from University of California-Santa Barbara better because it also shows govt revenue.
Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/budget.php)






The only TARP funds that have not been repaid are the funds given to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. All other funds have been paid back, with interest.

Its very hard to tell if deficits will come down. Right now we are paying some of the taxes and fees for Obamacare, but the real spending hasnt started yet. Every model I have seen for the effects of Obamacare have been from biased organizations and come under pretty heavy criticism.

What we do know is that employers that do have the flexibility to do so, are going to adjust their practices to reduce their exposure to Obamacare. Dardin Restaurants recently said they were testing that policy in select regions now.





For a business yes, for govt its not nearly that simple. Because a govt cannot create wealth, only take it away from those that do, it stands to reason that policies that take more wealth out of the economy will hurt the economy.

that link is powerful, although estimates, it kinda relates to what i mentioned, the govt, still under the president, will slowly chip away at the deficit. the recession had alot to do w/ how the economy is period, regardless of the president, there's been alot of 'fix a flat' issued and realizing that's not going to work, or that in some cases it did and they can build on it.

truthfully, as long as the whole 'obamacare' thing doesnt significantly affect my pockets, i dont mind helping where i can, i mean hell my check gets taxed like a mofo right now esp since i claim 0, but it's helping out the less fortunate, that's overall how i see that situation. everybody is not fortunate to be able to pay for good healthcare.

as far as the business side of thing, i'd like to think the same principle sticks. in essence he had to 'spend' on the banks and auto industry in order to help produce jobs, i dont know how many jobs or even if it was significant enough, but it was enough for the auto companies to pay back w/ interest right, so that principle, helped w/ that situation.

at the end of the day i hope whoever is in office doesnt screw anyone over and not be a asshole about what they gota do.

[Vteckidd]

Be careful. This is painful to watch.

OOPS: without Permission, Paul Ryan and Family Show Up Washing Clean Dishes at Ohio Soup Kitchen - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2WVJNxOpvY&sns=em)

TMZ actually reported that this was false.

The guy who runs the Ohio soup kitchen that Paul Ryan appeared at this weekend tells TMZ ... contrary to his earlier statement, Ryan DID get dirty with dirty dishes.

Brian Antal tells us ... the V.P. hopeful was only at the kitchen for 10 to 15 minutes and only interacted with one of their "clients."

Antal -- who wasn't at the soup kitchen at the time of the Ryan visit -- said his volunteers left some dirty dishes in the kitchen for Ryan to clean.

But when we asked him if the Ryan people had orchestrated the dish-cleaning stunt, Antal said, "No comment."

There is video floating around, showing Ryan giving a pan one scrub -- and that was the extent of the washing.

Read more: Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Celebrity News | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/page/3/#ixzz29adp24jy)

[BanginJimmy]

that link is powerful, although estimates, it kinda relates to what i mentioned, the govt, still under the president, will slowly chip away at the deficit. the recession had alot to do w/ how the economy is period, regardless of the president, there's been alot of 'fix a flat' issued and realizing that's not going to work, or that in some cases it did and they can build on it.

truthfully, as long as the whole 'obamacare' thing doesnt significantly affect my pockets, i dont mind helping where i can, i mean hell my check gets taxed like a mofo right now esp since i claim 0, but it's helping out the less fortunate, that's overall how i see that situation. everybody is not fortunate to be able to pay for good healthcare.

as far as the business side of thing, i'd like to think the same principle sticks. in essence he had to 'spend' on the banks and auto industry in order to help produce jobs, i dont know how many jobs or even if it was significant enough, but it was enough for the auto companies to pay back w/ interest right, so that principle, helped w/ that situation.

at the end of the day i hope whoever is in office doesnt screw anyone over and not be a asshole about what they gota do.


Not going to nit pick you too bad as I understand your thinking. A couple small things though.

"Less fortunate" is a load of BS. It implies that everyone that decided to work instead of screw around is somehow lucky. Unless you are a lottery winner, there is absolutely zero luck involved in attaining wealth.

One of my favorite quotes, and I have no clue who said it: "Luck is when opportunity and and preparation meet".

Second, the auto companies havent paid back even a small portion of the money Uncle Sam has given them. Current losses on GM alone are around 13B.

[Vteckidd]

but, had he just scrubbed one pan for a photo-op, my reaction is, who cares. They are politicians. They kiss babies and do this shit all the time

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but, had he just scrubbed one pan for a photo-op, my reaction is, who cares. They are politicians. They kiss babies and do this shit all the time

That's what I was trying to point out though, even his kids can see through him. That's why it's so painful.

Out of a 15min visit, how many dishes do you think got clean? I can tell you from experience that not much got done, AND that Ryan has never had a callous on his hand as a result of dishwashing IN HIS LIFE.

It was a photo-op. With that said, why continue the tired old cliché politician photo-op at the soup kitchen. I actually might have changed my vote if I saw him actually gettin down, serving people and cleaning up for a day. DO SOMETHING instead of being a rich political shill.

[Vteckidd]

That's what I was trying to point out though, even his kids can see through him. That's why it's so painful.

Out of a 15min visit, how many dishes do you think got clean? I can tell you from experience that not much got done, AND that Ryan has never had a callous on his hand as a result of dishwashing IN HIS LIFE.

It was a photo-op. With that said, why continue the tired old cliché politician photo-op at the soup kitchen. I actually might have changed my vote if I saw him actually gettin down, serving people and cleaning up for a day. DO SOMETHING instead of being a rich political shill.

agreed, there was something very fake and cliche about it all.

However, i disagree with the "hes never worked in his life" comment. He was not born rich. He worked his way up, he is from middle class upbringing.

Following his sophomore year, Ryan took a job working the grill at McDonald's.[6] He was on his high school's ski, track and varsity soccer teams and played basketball in a Catholic recreational league.[19][20][21] He also participated in several academic and social clubs including the Model United Nations.[6][19] Ryan and his family often went on hiking and skiing trips to the Colorado Rocky Mountains.[10][16]

When he was 16, Ryan found his 55-year-old father lying dead in bed of a heart attack.[6][16] Following the death of his father, Ryan's grandmother moved in with the family, and because she had Alzheimer's, Ryan helped care for her while his mother commuted to college in Madison, Wisconsin.[6] After his father's death Ryan received Social Security survivors benefits until his 18th birthday, which were saved up in order to pay for his college education.[2

[BanginJimmy]

I actually might have changed my vote if I saw him actually gettin down, serving people and cleaning up for a day. DO SOMETHING instead of being a rich political shill.

You know damn well your vote was decided 4 years ago when Obama got the nomination.

[Sammich]

Not going to nit pick you too bad as I understand your thinking. A couple small things though.

"Less fortunate" is a load of BS. It implies that everyone that decided to work instead of screw around is somehow lucky. Unless you are a lottery winner, there is absolutely zero luck involved in attaining wealth.

One of my favorite quotes, and I have no clue who said it: "Luck is when opportunity and and preparation meet".

Second, the auto companies havent paid back even a small portion of the money Uncle Sam has given them. Current losses on GM alone are around 13B.

i dont see it as luck, i see it as fortunate, i dont see my current position as finally having a job, even w/ the ass benefits as lucky, even though i didnt have this 2 yrs ago, i see myself as fortunate.

i THOUGHT the companies did pay back though.


but, had he just scrubbed one pan for a photo-op, my reaction is, who cares. They are politicians. They kiss babies and do this shit all the time

that's what i'm saying, this whole situation is BS. this had no reason to be 'filmed'


That's what I was trying to point out though, even his kids can see through him. That's why it's so painful.

Out of a 15min visit, how many dishes do you think got clean? I can tell you from experience that not much got done, AND that Ryan has never had a callous on his hand as a result of dishwashing IN HIS LIFE.

It was a photo-op. With that said, why continue the tired old cliché politician photo-op at the soup kitchen. I actually might have changed my vote if I saw him actually gettin down, serving people and cleaning up for a day. DO SOMETHING instead of being a rich political shill.

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agreed, there was something very fake and cliche about it all.

However, i disagree with the "hes never worked in his life" comment. He was not born rich. He worked his way up, he is from middle class upbringing.
I mean he's never gotten callouses from washing dishes. He was bitching about getting callouses. You don't get callouses from washing dishes. Not unless he's washing dishes with rubbing alcohol instead of water. Lol

[nelson9995]

Obama has the black vote gets brought up again.

Do you guys believe that even 5% of the southern rednecks will vote for Obama? I don't...

Romney has the white vote...
Obama has the black vote...

So if you are a smart politician and want to win... you would try to help those are not already voting for you. Romney being the dumbass he is says Fuck Hispanics, Fuck blacks... Way to go Romney. Obama promises to help Hispanics, Blacks and whites.

Romey lost. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama gets another 4 years.
I will be repeating this in about 3 weeks lol

[BanginJimmy]

I mean he's never gotten callouses from washing dishes. He was bitching about getting callouses. You don't get callouses from washing dishes. Not unless he's washing dishes with rubbing alcohol instead of water. Lol

VP candidate never washed dishes? Definitely reason enough to vote someone else for President.

[C230K]

ImportAtlanta running Romney Ryan ads now? hmmmmm

[BanginJimmy]

ImportAtlanta running Romney Ryan ads now? hmmmmm

Also advertising reverse mortgages. I know nothing about the site advertising but I would imagine it is some type of general ad posting. The Romney campaign wouldnt even waste the resources on an ad buy as small as this because he already won GA by a large margin.

[Vteckidd]

Obama has the black vote gets brought up again.

Do you guys believe that even 5% of the southern rednecks will vote for Obama? I don't...

Romney has the white vote...
Obama has the black vote...

So if you are a smart politician and want to win... you would try to help those are not already voting for you. Romney being the dumbass he is says Fuck Hispanics, Fuck blacks... Way to go Romney. Obama promises to help Hispanics, Blacks and whites.

Romey lost. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama gets another 4 years.
I will be repeating this in about 3 weeks lol

Very insightful, would totally read again

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ImportAtlanta running Romney Ryan ads now? hmmmmm

You get ads based on what you've been searching on the Internet.

[ahabion]

to the OP, Washington Post states that the President of the charity, a self-described independent, voted Democrat the past 17 years.

Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen ‘photo op’ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/15/charity-president-unhappy-about-paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-op/)

Oh and the charity was informed... just not him... go figure! Those Democrats... so silly.

[Sinfix_15]

After last night, Obama will have the woman vote too

Women will decide this election. Question is, would they rather have a job or an abortion.

[Sinfix_15]

Obama has the black vote gets brought up again.

Do you guys believe that even 5% of the southern rednecks will vote for Obama? I don't...

Romney has the white vote...
Obama has the black vote...

So if you are a smart politician and want to win... you would try to help those are not already voting for you. Romney being the dumbass he is says Fuck Hispanics, Fuck blacks... Way to go Romney. Obama promises to help Hispanics, Blacks and whites.

Romey lost. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama gets another 4 years.
I will be repeating this in about 3 weeks lol

yep.... women and minorities will decide this election. if that doesnt scare you then i dont know what the fuck would.

[Sammich]

I mean he's never gotten callouses from washing dishes. He was bitching about getting callouses. You don't get callouses from washing dishes. Not unless he's washing dishes with rubbing alcohol instead of water. Lol

LMAO man i listened and said WTF when i heard that...i was like i barely got callouses from doing roofing work and working out w/o gloves, how they hell you get callouses from washing dishes...FOH

[Sammich]

Women will decide this election. Question is, would they rather have a job or an abortion.

tell you this, i dont agree w/ abortion at all, gays can do w/e they wanna do as long as it doesnt affect me, but killing kids, that's that shit i dont like

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to the OP, Washington Post states that the President of the charity, a self-described independent, voted Democrat the past 17 years.

Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen ‘photo op’ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/15/charity-president-unhappy-about-paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-op/)

Oh and the charity was informed... just not him... go figure! Those Democrats... so silly.I guess you didnt read that the charity was apolitical, and received private donations based on that stance. You would imagine a presidential candidate showing up at your apolitical charity almost unannounced would probably piss you off too. Who he voted for matters zero


Women will decide this election. Question is, would they rather have a job or an abortion.So I guess if you already have a job, the "choice" is clear


yep.... women and minorities will decide this election. if that doesnt scare you then i dont know what the fuck would.Yeah, we should play it safe. Just let white people decide the election...

Like they have the past 57 elections

[Sammich]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtuk9xs3I1riqgsjo1_500.png

[Vteckidd]

anyone read this?

FoX is reporting it, so i dont know how true the numbers are.

Total federal and state "welfare" spending topped $1 trillion last year, marking a nearly 30 percent increase since the start of the Obama administration -- according to a new congressional report which documented spending across more than 80 benefit programs for low-income families.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, released the figures Thursday, compiled based on a committee analysis and a new Congressional Research Service study. The stats show that the combination of federal and state "welfare" spending is more than the country spends on Medicare, Social Security or non-war defense.

Sessions, who has been on a campaign of late against what he sees as aggressive and unchecked spending on food stamps and other programs, called the figures "astounding."

"No longer should we measure compassion by how much money the government spends but by how many people we help to rise out of poverty," he said in a statement. "Welfare assistance should be seen as temporary whenever possible, and the goal must be to help more of our fellow citizens attain gainful employment and financial independence."

The study factored in Medicaid, the federal health care aid program for low-income families. But it also covered 82 other federal programs that Sessions classified as "welfare" -- from food stamps to public housing to various tax breaks for low-income families.

The CRS study found the federal portion of all that spending rose from $563 billion in fiscal 2008 to $746 billion in fiscal 2011 -- representing a 32 percent increase. Republicans on the budget committee calculated that, with total state spending factored in, the total amount rose from nearly $800 billion in 2008 to over $1 trillion last year - a 29 percent increase.

According to Sessions' office, the federal share is now roughly one-fifth of the budget.

Read more: &#39;Welfare&#39; spending topped $1 trillion in 2011, study shows | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/18/welfare-spending-topped-1-trillion-in-2011-study-shows/#ixzz29fYFlJZK)

[Sinfix_15]

Yeah, we should play it safe. Just let white people decide the election...

Like they have the past 57 elections

Well, this country had a pretty big head start on the united states and probably has the most natural resources on the planet, plus they have the US sending them a billion dollars in aid a year.
http://www.waikato.ac.nz/wfass/e-reflections/Nairobi-Kibera_slums.jpg

[Sammich]

interesting read

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Well, this country had a pretty big head start on the united states and probably has the most natural resources on the planet, plus they have the US sending them a billion dollars in aid a year.
http://www.waikato.ac.nz/wfass/e-reflections/Nairobi-Kibera_slums.jpg
Nairobi, Kenya

http://0.tqn.com/d/goafrica/1/0/s/E/dv802074.jpg

http://mycontinent.co/IMGKenya/Cities/nairobi-city-square-kenya.jpg

Looks like you're trying to paint a picture by taking a picture out of context

So, what does that have anything to do with the topic?

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anyone read this?

Read more: 'Welfare' spending topped $1 trillion in 2011, study shows | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/18/welfare-spending-topped-1-trillion-in-2011-study-shows/#ixzz29fYFlJZK)Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

[Sinfix_15]

Nairobi, Kenya

http://0.tqn.com/d/goafrica/1/0/s/E/dv802074.jpg

http://mycontinent.co/IMGKenya/Cities/nairobi-city-square-kenya.jpg

Looks like you're trying to paint a picture by taking a picture out of context

So, what does that have anything to do with the topic?

mmhmmm..... you're aware of the point i made.


side note.....

can anyone help me with my photoshop skills?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s268/Virtutis/blankcd.jpg

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mmhmmm..... you're aware of the point i made.
Not really aware of the point you made. Let me see if I can ballpark it though and make a hasty generalization based on an out of context picture...

This country has been the richest country on the planet for quite some time...

http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/natural-disasters/images/3-hurricane-katrina-625x450.jpg

Am I close?

http://www.weatherstock.com/hurricane-katrina-gallery/slides/KAT-211.JPG

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can anyone help me with my photoshop skills?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s268/Virtutis/blankcd.jpgYou tried so hard, yet failed so exquisitely.

[Sinfix_15]

Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

So is that guy Rachel Maddow....

[Sinfix_15]

You tried so hard, yet failed so exquisitely.

i beg to differ sir...... my execution was flawed, but my delivery was outstanding.

[Sinfix_15]

Not really aware of the point you made. Let me see if I can ballpark it though and make a hasty generalization based on an out of context picture...

This country has been the richest country on the planet for quite some time...

http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/natural-disasters/images/3-hurricane-katrina-625x450.jpg

Am I close?

http://www.weatherstock.com/hurricane-katrina-gallery/slides/KAT-211.JPG

my rebuttal to that looks something like this
http://www.african-safari-information.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Kenya-airways-boeing-plane.jpg

[BanginJimmy]

Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

Why dont you elaborate then. Dont forget to source it.

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Why dont you elaborate then. Dont forget to source it.

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For starters you can read the rest of the article. It says it right in there closer to the bottom. Way AFTER it mentions "welfare" 100 times.

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Next you can find the study from the CRS...

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/110366590

(If it doesn't pop up on a computer, I'll source it again, this one says mobile)

...the same exact office who released this study

http://m.cnbc.com//id/49059989/Study_Tax_Cuts_for_the_Rich_Don_t_Spur_Growth


Then you find out what a federal benefit program is and who they benefit; which includes food stamps and Medicaid, but also includes tax breaks and subsidies. Now we see a clearer picture of what they mean by "welfare". What fox means is "We know federal benefit spending went up some, but we want you to think we're wasting a bunch of money on poor lazy people, that's why we use the word 'welfare'"

[Vteckidd]

Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

thats why i said i had not looked into it yet, i posted it to see your take on it because i was busy :thumbup:

[D3UC3S]

But the picture Sin orig posted wasn't after a "natural disaster".

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But the picture Sin orig posted wasn't after a "natural disaster".

I can post some pics of the projects and slums of the U.S. if you want, or anywhere else disadvantaged people tend to set up camp. My point was you can't make a statement with an out of context picture and expect to make a point...

...at least while there's smart people in the thread ;-)

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thats why i said i had not looked into it yet, i posted it to see your take on it because i was busy :thumbup:

Well then, that was my take on it. Besides, those numbers aren't striking given our current economic situation. Fox News's articles are fine as long as you know how to wade through the bullshit. The actual study confirms the numbers. That's all I care about.

[BanginJimmy]

Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

I read the article quickly, I will try not to forget about it when I have time to actually look into it.

[Sinfix_15]

I can post some pics of the projects and slums of the U.S. if you want, or anywhere else disadvantaged people tend to set up camp. My point was you can't make a statement with an out of context picture and expect to make a point...

...at least while there's smart people in the thread ;-)

One thing i like about you........ i know you're smart enough to get the point... even though you deny it, i take comfort in knowing the message was delivered.

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