anyone see obama's new attack ad

[fatty]

just saw obamas new attack ad against romney. Its of a trash man who says hes the guy who picks up romneys trash from his million dollar mansion and how romney is such a out of touch rich person because he lives in a mansion and the trash guy lives in a small apartment. I threw up in my mouth a little bit after I saw the ad. how pathetic is obama trying to dive this country even more just so he can get re-elected? Obama's only chance of getting re-elected is to use class war-fare. its pathetic.

[Sammich]

it's ok for one attack, but not another? they gona be at each other's throats until the election is over, get over it. all i see is Obama using the '47%' that Mitt spoke about to speak up.

[Sinfix_15]

Obama pretending to be a common man is pretty hilarious. Obama has never worked a job his entire life. The stories about Obama's youth are lies. Obama's mother was a bank manager and was part of the 1%. Obama's riches came from writing a book about himself.

Everything the left thinks they hate is what they continue to vote for. Obama is the "fat cat" of all fat cats.

[fatty]

I can't really get over because of this low life piece of shit I got layed off. lets tax the shit out of small business (great idea). guy lies like crazy and people keep falling for that shit. plus I payed to come to this country legally and now he's letting illegals get amnisty. I hate politics and never got involved but this year its personal

[Sammich]

lol

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just saw obamas new attack ad against romney. Its of a trash man who says hes the guy who picks up romneys trash from his million dollar mansion and how romney is such a out of touch rich person because he lives in a mansion and the trash guy lives in a small apartment. I threw up in my mouth a little bit after I saw the ad. how pathetic is obama trying to dive this country even more just so he can get re-elected? Obama's only chance of getting re-elected is to use class war-fare. its pathetic.

I suppose you get sick of attack ads from both camps?

[Sammich]

I suppose you get sick of attack ads from both camps?

lol i just do not get the double standard, as an outsider looking in, i can't understand why people can't see the attacks from both sides, all both sides are doing is taking low blows at each other.

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I suppose you get sick of attack ads from both camps?

They would probably talk about Obama's resume if he had one.

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They would probably talk about Obama's resume if he had one.

They wouldn't. This "Obamas never had a job" debate is about as far removed from reality as the birther debate. Which would only make the GOP side look crazier than they already are. They're trying to win moderates, and moderates aren't that stupid.

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lol i just do not get the double standard, as an outsider looking in, i can't understand why people can't see the attacks from both sides, all both sides are doing is taking low blows at each other.

Attack ads are pretty stupid. Of course if there were no attack ads, politicians would have to run on their record, and someone who would actually foster some change in this country would have a landslide victory, and we can't have that

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They wouldn't. This "Obamas never had a job" debate is about as far removed from reality as the birther debate. Which would only make the GOP side look crazier than they already are. They're trying to win moderates, and moderates aren't that stupid.

Yeah, you could be right. Acting like there's nothing but bible thumping, gun toting, and pickup driving rednecks below Illinois is all in good fun though. The republican party is the "racist redneck party". That's all in good taste.

Obama has never had a job. There's plenty of questionable things to point out about Obama's past, but you have to be very very careful about what you chose to talk about. If you attack Obama too hard.... it could only mean one thing...............

youre a racist.

[Sammich]

The way in which one attacks could mean their racist.....i'm not saying you're a racist, but you have a ton of tendencies, regardless of 'all your friends being black' claim. Conversations with you i only pretty much leave to the fantasy league.

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Yeah, you could be right. Acting like there's nothing but bible thumping, gun toting, and pickup driving rednecks below Illinois is all in good fun though. The republican party is the "racist redneck party". That's all in good taste.I guess if you want to put it that way. There's people that believe in the current GOP platform all over the US. It doesn't change the current GOP platform, which is incredibly socially, and pretty much economically regressive.


Obama has never had a job. There's plenty of questionable things to point out about Obama's past, but you have to be very very careful about what you chose to talk about. If you attack Obama too hard.... it could only mean one thing...............

youre a racist.You are entitled to your opinion.

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I don't pay attention to attack ads. Honestly they insult my intelligence, and mean not one thing to me. Attack ads are aimed at persuading potential not so educated voters. Hence the creation of this thread. It's called propaganda. I don't like to be psychologically played. So I avoid taking it seriously, or basing an opinion on one.

[Sinfix_15]

I don't pay attention to attack ads. Honestly they insult my intelligence, and mean not one thing to me. Attack ads are aimed at persuading potential not so educated voters. Hence the creation of this thread. It's called propaganda. I don't like to be psychologically played. So I avoid taking it seriously, or basing an opinion on one.


You're a smart guy. There's not a doubt in my mind that you're smarter than me. Which is why i honestly do not understand how you're an Obama supporter.

[Sinfix_15]

The way in which one attacks could mean their racist.....i'm not saying you're a racist, but you have a ton of tendencies, regardless of 'all your friends being black' claim. Conversations with you i only pretty much leave to the fantasy league.

I watch the news a lot. I read a lot of social media. Racial topics are pretty common from a day to day basis. I'm not sitting in the dark and pulling racial topics out of thin air. Usually i'm responding to something i've seen that day on the news. When i spend all day at work listening to black panther speeches.... by the time i get home to my personal computer, i'm usually pretty annoyed and it reflects in my posts.

[David88vert]

It doesn't change the current GOP platform, which is incredibly socially, and pretty much economically regressive.

The majority of the economists have given their nod to Romney.
Economists reluctantly pick Romney - Sep. 30, 2012 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/30/news/economy/romney-obama-economists/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

[Sammich]

I watch the news a lot. I read a lot of social media. Racial topics are pretty common from a day to day basis. I'm not sitting in the dark and pulling racial topics out of thin air. Usually i'm responding to something i've seen that day on the news. When i spend all day at work listening to black panther speeches.... by the time i get home to my personal computer, i'm usually pretty annoyed and it reflects in my posts.

Even in non political threads, i've seen the posts that i'm referring to. Am i saying no one is entitled to their own thoughts? No, have your thoughts, IJS everyone be respectful about it.

At the end of the day, everyone is going to gravitate to what they believe in, what they are around and have had to deal with, which everyone is entitled to that, I just dont see forcing the hand of anyone to believe something they dont want to believe because they had to deal with life in a different view, or just have differing views, period.

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The majority of the economists have given their nod to Romney.
Economists reluctantly pick Romney - Sep. 30, 2012 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/30/news/economy/romney-obama-economists/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

That whole article doesn't change anything I said. Lol. At best it reinforces it.

A little more than half surveyed only said "Meh". Remember, running the larges economic system on earth is a little more than just "who's good for business"

[Sinfix_15]

That whole article doesn't change anything I said. Lol. At best it reinforces it.

A little more than half surveyed only said "Meh". Remember, running the larges economic system on earth is a little more than just "who's good for business"

But it was the perfect job for a part time teacher who wrote a book about himself?

[bu villain]

I watch the news a lot. I read a lot of social media. Racial topics are pretty common from a day to day basis. I'm not sitting in the dark and pulling racial topics out of thin air. Usually i'm responding to something i've seen that day on the news. When i spend all day at work listening to black panther speeches.... by the time i get home to my personal computer, i'm usually pretty annoyed and it reflects in my posts.

That's the problem. Media outlets search out controversial stories precisely because they know it will get people like you riled up. Outrageous and infuriating stories sell and you are buying it. Don't fall for their game.

[BanginJimmy]

They're trying to win moderates, and moderates aren't that stupid.

The fact that attack ads work with everyone shows that the voting public is too stupid for the responsibility they are granted.

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[bu villain]

The majority of the economists have given their nod to Romney.
Economists reluctantly pick Romney - Sep. 30, 2012 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/30/news/economy/romney-obama-economists/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

No a majority of economists have not. Only 9 out of 17 that CNN interviewed. Sample size of 17 is not something you can draw such conclusions from. They also only mentioned three by name (never heard of them), who knows if these people are really "top economists". Many of their critiques weren't even policy related, they were things like "Romney might be more likely to get Congress to do something". I think Romney probably would be better for the economy at least in the short term but this article is pretty much meaningless.

[bu villain]

The fact that attack ads work with everyone shows that the voting public is too stupid for the responsibility they are granted.

So down with democracy then?

[Sinfix_15]

That's the problem. Media outlets search out controversial stories precisely because they know it will get people like you riled up. Outrageous and infuriating stories sell and you are buying it. Don't fall for their game.

I understand that. The media may chose who to put the mic in front of, but that doesnt change that person or what they say. It's more than media, i'm speaking to my surroundings. I just went and ate lunch at a local place. Let me tell you about the experience which is all to common..........

I walk in, order some hot wings, sit down in an empty place and am enjoying my food. Few minutes later, black couple walks in. Girl is wearing skin tight rainbow color zebra print type pants and a neon top, the guy is dressed normal with jeans and a polo but his pants nearly around his knees so low to the point you can almost see his legs below his boxers. The girl speaks to me when she walks in, normal conversation "oh i didnt know they served hotwings here, are they good" yada yada small talk, she seems friendly. At this point 2 more people walk in, another younger woman and a 40ish year old woman who joins the couple. The girl asks her assumed boyfriend for $2 so she can order hotwings in which he responds "bitch, i aint tryin to give you no money". The girl, i guess being used to this type of response, doesnt complain and asks the older lady who is her aunt. Her aunt gives her $2 and she orders. By this time, the other girl is walking out the door with her order. The guy says to her "hey girl, you need to call me", she turns around and says "who the fuck is you nigga?" he says "hold up bitch, come look at my phone at all the bitches i got hollerin at me right now, thats who i am bitch". that girl leaves, few moments later the same guy looks out the window and says "look at this bitch right here, ive gotta go holla at her" and walks outside. few minutes later the girl's aunt asked where did he go and his "girlfriend" replies, hes out there talkin to that whore. Few minutes later he comes back in and stands back with the two girls and keeps lookin thru his phone. Few minutes later he runs to the door, opens it and yells out "hey!!!!!!! look at you bitches, who are you bitches with??" to a crowd of 2-3 girls walking in another store.

This literally happened 10 minutes ago. This is normal day to day interaction here. I comment based on what i see from a day to day basis. I am doing nothing more than voicing an opinion based on personal experience. I'm not thinking what the media tells me to think.

I'm sorry, i know this is so hard to believe.......... but my opinion has nothing to do with skin color, but i cant ignore skin color. The coolest person i know is black. I know lots of great black people. I know being black has nothing to do with how a person acts, but i simply cant ignore that 7 out of 10 experiences i have with black people are negative. The term stereotype means to apply a statement that relates to individuals to the entire group. I am guilty of that....... i stereotype a lot, but im not a racist.

[Sinfix_15]

The fact that attack ads work with everyone shows that the voting public is too stupid for the responsibility they are granted.

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So down with democracy then?

Dems attack voter ID which might actually reduce the number of morons diluting the vote, but Obama is OK with this.........
http://digitaljournal.com/img/8/7/8/i/4/4/3/o/blackpanthers.jpg

http://washingtonexaminer.com/federal-court-finds-obama-appointees-interfered-with-new-black-panther-prosecution/article/2503500 <<<<<< article

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So there are zero white people who act the same way, that will probably vote for Romney?


Dems attack voter ID which might actually reduce the number of morons diluting the vote, but Obama is OK with this.........

http://washingtonexaminer.com/federal-court-finds-obama-appointees-interfered-with-new-black-panther-prosecution/article/2503500People attack voter ID laws because so far they're unconstitutional.

[Sinfix_15]

Disappointed in Obama, New Black Panthers openly consider ‘the bullet’ | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/22/disappointed-in-obama-new-black-panthers-openly-consider-the-bullet/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYKugGuQkZ0&feature=player_detailpage#t=12s





Obama had charges dropped on these people.


Obama speaking at black panther rallies would be the same as Romney speaking at a KKK rally................. how is this not a big deal?????

[BanginJimmy]

People attack voter ID laws because so far they're unconstitutional.

Wrong. SCOTUS has already upheld voter id laws as constitutional.

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[DsoverBs]

Obama is the shit

[fatty]

Yeah, you could be right. Acting like there's nothing but bible thumping, gun toting, and pickup driving rednecks below Illinois is all in good fun though. The republican party is the "racist redneck party". That's all in good taste.

Obama has never had a job. There's plenty of questionable things to point out about Obama's past, but you have to be very very careful about what you chose to talk about. If you attack Obama too hard.... it could only mean one thing...............

youre a racist.
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[David88vert]

No a majority of economists have not. Only 9 out of 17 that CNN interviewed. Sample size of 17 is not something you can draw such conclusions from. They also only mentioned three by name (never heard of them), who knows if these people are really "top economists". Many of their critiques weren't even policy related, they were things like "Romney might be more likely to get Congress to do something". I think Romney probably would be better for the economy at least in the short term but this article is pretty much meaningless.

I don't disagree completely with you on this. The economists have no better foresight than anyone else, and forecasting the future is always uncertain and usually pretty meaningless; however, the panel is the same construct though that you like to use when it goes the way that you want it to. You only will agree with a poll if it supports your agenda though.

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Wrong. SCOTUS has already upheld voter id laws as constitutional.

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You talking about Crawford v. Marion County?

[Sinfix_15]

Obama is shit

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[1civic]

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::face palm::

[Sammich]

i'd just say leave it be^

[David88vert]

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Obama is not perfect but he is still President and I personally believe that he is doing what he believes is correct. You can't ask him to do more than that.

[Sammich]

Obama is not perfect but he is still President and I personally believe that he is doing what he believes is correct. You can't ask him to do more than that.

he won't understand that. in his perfect mind he thinks the president makes the decision that appeases everyone and is able to fix everything at a whim, something like a god

[Sinfix_15]

he won't understand that. in his perfect mind he thinks the president makes the decision that appeases everyone and is able to fix everything at a whim, something like a god

No. I believe this president is absolutely horrible and is the worst person we could possibly have running our country. I'm not nitpicking him for not being "good enough". Obama should have never been elected in the first place and hes going to most likely be re-elected. This president represents everything wrong with the world to me. Might as well have Kim Kardashian sitting in the white house.

[Sammich]

I dont get your perception on it, at all, not one bit. maybe it's not for me to get.

[Sinfix_15]

I dont get your perception on it, at all, not one bit. maybe it's not for me to get.

We elected a president whos experience was being a part time teacher and an author who wrote a book about himself. A man that spent most of his life rubbing elbows with extremist members of the black panther party and reading marxist literature.

He gets elected and goes on the biggest government spending spree in the history of our nation, piles up the biggest debt in the history of our nation, gets the first credit downgrade in the history of our nation and even though what he studied was constitutional law, he now seeks to globalize our constitution with the UN.

What is there not to understand???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????


We put the least qualified and experienced president in american history in office and he fucked everything up.

if he wasnt black he would be gone already. i'm sorry i dont have black sympathy and i'm not "pulling" for him. Obama is a buffoon and needs to go.

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I dont get your perception on it, at all, not one bit. maybe it's not for me to get.

It's best not to. If you try to comprehend it, your brain may explode. The sad thing is this way of thinking is too prevelent in this political climate. Some people are too lazy and closed minded to understand facts and would rather entertain anecdotal fairy tales and comforting lies.

[Sinfix_15]

It's best not to. If you try to comprehend it, your brain may explode. The sad thing is this way of thinking is too prevelent in this political climate. Some people are too lazy and closed minded to understand facts and would rather entertain anecdotal fairy tales and comforting lies.

says the liberal.

[Sinfix_15]

You're a smart guy Blank, if you could prove what i'm saying is a lie..... you would.

knowing that you cant, you simply call me a liar.

Your only argument against these claims are to claim that theyre not true.

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says the liberal.On this site, I'll take that as a compliment.

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You're a smart guy Blank, if you could prove what i'm saying is a lie..... you would.

knowing that you cant, you simply call me a liar.

Your only argument against these claims are to claim that theyre not true.I'd rather you figure it out on your own, that way it sticks. I've shown you how and where to find facts. It's really up to you to turn your garbage filter on.

[Sinfix_15]

I'd rather you figure it out on your own, that way it sticks. I've shown you how and where to find facts. It's really up to you to turn your garbage filter on.

I've found facts, where we differ is our perception of facts.

I see the highest debt ever that continues to rise daily.

You see a debt that Bush left that Obama needs more time to straighten out.

[Sinfix_15]

Blank, What do you think of these Obama supporters and do you think that this particular audience is one that the president of the united states should address in person?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cRAzV50gXoM/T75_poyF1YI/AAAAAAAABlI/BGjqECOoQIc/s1600/New+Black+Panthers+1000.jpg

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You see a debt that Bush left that Obama needs more time to straighten out.I don't see it that way because its not that way.

[fatty]

Obama is not perfect but he is still President and I personally believe that he is doing what he believes is correct. You can't ask him to do more than that.

He has lied. and is only doing things for his own good. lied about fast and furious starting under bush when it actually started under him. lied about the amb. in libya being killed over a youtube video when intellegence and even the president of libya called it a calculated terrorist attack, He and his administration didn't grand extra security at the embasy on the 9/11 annivarsity. those are facts not opinions.

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Blank, What do you think of these Obama supporters and do you think that this particular audience is one that the president of the united states should address in person?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cRAzV50gXoM/T75_poyF1YI/AAAAAAAABlI/BGjqECOoQIc/s1600/New+Black+Panthers+1000.jpg

The same thing I think about these Obama supporters. http://vkb.isvg.org/@api/deki/files/124/=0050_ku_klux_klan_03.jpg

Some factions of white supremacists and separatists supported Obama because they knew he would be better for their civil rights.

Why do you think the actions of an insignificant separatist group have anything to do with Obama.

[Sinfix_15]

The same thing I think about these Obama supporters. http://vkb.isvg.org/@api/deki/files/124/=0050_ku_klux_klan_03.jpg

Some factions of white supremacists and separatists supported Obama because they knew he would be better for their civil rights.

Why do you think the actions of an insignificant separatist group have anything to do with Obama.

Liberals call republicans racist, but what you dont see is Mitt Romney or any other candidate giving speeches to the KKK. Obama has attended black panther rallies and gave speeches asking for their support. One of the first actions by Obama's staff when he took office was to drop charges on "the cracker killer". "the cracker killer" was already found guilty and awaiting sentencing. Because of Obama, these charges were dropped. Any explanation for that?
http://thesenewtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Obama-rallies-with-New-Black-Panthers-in-2007.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/5qUfGZvgeMw/0.jpg


I'm going to address each little issue i have with Obama 1 at time.

[Vteckidd]

I don't pay attention to attack ads. Honestly they insult my intelligence, and mean not one thing to me. Attack ads are aimed at persuading potential not so educated voters. Hence the creation of this thread. It's called propaganda. I don't like to be psychologically played. So I avoid taking it seriously, or basing an opinion on one.

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He has lied. and is only doing things for his own good. lied about fast and furious starting under bush when it actually started under him. lied about the amb. in libya being killed over a youtube video when intellegence and even the president of libya called it a calculated terrorist attack, He and his administration didn't grand extra security at the embasy on the 9/11 annivarsity. those are facts not opinions.

See what I mean. This post is completely devoid of any truth. No one at all disputed the cause of the Libyan ambassadors death. Everyone agrees it was a result of protestors. People like this will only adhere to and regurgitate information that confirms their preconceived notions.

[bu villain]

I'm sorry, i know this is so hard to believe.......... but my opinion has nothing to do with skin color, but i cant ignore skin color. The coolest person i know is black. I know lots of great black people. I know being black has nothing to do with how a person acts, but i simply cant ignore that 7 out of 10 experiences i have with black people are negative. The term stereotype means to apply a statement that relates to individuals to the entire group. I am guilty of that....... i stereotype a lot, but im not a racist.

I've never called you a racist but you definitely seemed to be preoccupied with race. Often you have legitimate gripes but then for some reason you feel obliged to add what race the person was as if it was an important detail. I just usually don't understand why you think it's important to call out that person's race in most of these cases.

[Sinfix_15]

I've never called you a racist but you definitely seemed to be preoccupied with race. Often you have legitimate gripes but then for some reason you feel obliged to add what race the person was as if it was an important detail. I just usually don't understand why you think it's important to call out that person's race in most of these cases.

I dont see a problem with acknowledging race. It's something we do in all aspects of society both for good and bad reasons.

[bu villain]

I don't disagree completely with you on this. The economists have no better foresight than anyone else, and forecasting the future is always uncertain and usually pretty meaningless; however, the panel is the same construct though that you like to use when it goes the way that you want it to. You only will agree with a poll if it supports your agenda though.

I'm sorry but I don't believe I have done this. If you reread my reply I said I think Romney probably would boost the economy more at least in the short term but I assure you my agenda is not to support Romney. I have no problem with you referencing such an article for discussion purposes. My problem was that you made a claim that "most economists prefer Romney" based on a poll of 17 people. That's very misleading whether I like what you are saying or not.

[Sinfix_15]

Why do i think the actions of an insignificant separatist group have anything to do with Obama?

Because he speaks he at their rallies asking for their support and has criminal charges dropped on members of their group who pose as domestic terrorists.

Let's read a few quotes from the man Obama felt the need to let out of jail. anything for a vote......

“I love white-on white-crime, because that is the best crime.”
“I hate the g*ddamn white man, woman, and child, grandma, aunt, uncle, Pappa Billy Bob, and whoever else.”
“You should be thankful we’re not running around here hanging crackers by nooses and all that kind of stuff — yet, yet, yet”
He has a “wet dream about killing the g*ddamn cracker.”
“We don’t allow faggots and lesbians” in the New Black Panther Army
Envisions a world where every black person is “ready to bang on this cracker”
Wants to take over neighborhoods “block by block” so “crackers…or even the developer” would be scared to come into them
“We’re taught to send this cracker to the cemetery… so kiss ‘em goodbye”




waiting on you Blank.

[bu villain]

I dont see a problem with acknowledging race. It's something we do in all aspects of society both for good and bad reasons.

There isn't anything wrong with it if it is relevant. But I usually have a hard time seeing as how it is relevant to many of your posts. It's more curious too because you regularly acknowledge the black race but rarely others and it always seems to be in a negative context.

[Sinfix_15]

There isn't anything wrong with it if it is relevant. But I usually have a hard time seeing as how it is relevant to many of your posts. It's more curious too because you regularly acknowledge the black race but rarely others and it always seems to be in a negative context.

Unfortunately..... that is my experience. I would love to not have negative things to talk about, but im not going to stop until theyre not there.

I comment on anything i see and disagree with..... it's not limited to black people.


The people on this show make me lose faith in humanity. These have got to be the dumbest rednecks walking the face of the planet. Watching this show is like watching the discovery channel.

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waiting on you Blank.Heres what I'm gonna do. I know for a fact your case against Obama regarding Malik Zulu Shabazz is nothing more than a load of horseshit and that there's a lot more going on than you think. I'm going to give you some time to research it and properly present your case with facts and evidence (I need more than that picture without Shabazz in it you've already posted. I don't want to see what Sean Hannity thinks about it, or Bill O'Reiley thinks about it. I want credible sources. If Obama really spoke at a black panther rally, there has to be CNN or AP coverage of it. I need some time to thoroughly put this claim to rest.

Good luck.

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[BanginJimmy]

You talking about Crawford v. Marion County?

Dont remember the exact case. I only heard about it while listening to POTUS on XM. The challenges you hear about now are not about the ID requirement, but with the administration.



How much harder is it for blacks to get an ID? I'm white so mine was easy to get. What extra requirements do blacks have?

[fatty]

I don't disagree completely with you on this. The economists have no better foresight than anyone else, and forecasting the future is always uncertain and usually pretty meaningless; however, the panel is the same construct though that you like to use when it goes the way that you want it to. You only will agree with a poll if it supports your agenda though.

Here is what I think: he got elected because he said he was going to fix everything. I didn't expect him to magically make everything wonderful, but he should of made things a little better. the truth is that he made things worse by raising taxes (obamacare) and wasting trillions of dollars on stimuluses that didn't work. he had his chance now GTFO and lets try someone else.

[BanginJimmy]

See what I mean. This post is completely devoid of any truth. No one at all disputed the cause of the Libyan ambassadors death. Everyone agrees it was a result of protestors. People like this will only adhere to and regurgitate information that confirms their preconceived notions.

Actually, everything he said was true and people dispute the cause of the protest.

Obama's admin, and Obama himself have said the cause of the protest was the youtube movie. Thats not true at all. The protest and attack were planned ahead of time.


Clinton also attributed attacks on U.S. diplomatic offices in Libya and other Middle East nations to an anti-Islam video "that we had nothing to do with." Clinton said, "it is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless and it is totally unacceptable."

Obama: Stevens gave his life for U.S., Libyan friends (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/09/14/obama-speaks-stevens-ceremony/70000350/1#.UGy_a1GrF8E)

[Echonova]

Heres what I'm gonna do. I know for a fact your case against Obama regarding Malik Zulu Shabazz is nothing more than a load of horseshit and that there's a lot more going on than you think. I'm going to give you some time to research it and properly present your case with facts and evidence (I need more than that picture without Shabazz in it you've already posted. I don't want to see what Sean Hannity thinks about it, or Bill O'Reiley thinks about it. I want credible sources. If Obama really spoke at a black panther rally, there has to be CNN or AP coverage of it. I need some time to thoroughly put this claim to rest.

Good luck.I'm with blank on this one. Key words here are "spoke at a black panther rally". He didn't. They both spoke and marched in the 2007 Selma rally... But that was not a "Black Panthers" event. They were both just simply at the same time, same place, for different motivations. However, this was the same visit to Selma where Obama credited the 1965 marchers with empowering his black father and white mother to marry… Obama was born in 1961. He was off by 4 years. But, it made a good speech.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DdYByptC8mY

[David88vert]

I'm sorry but I don't believe I have done this. If you reread my reply I said I think Romney probably would boost the economy more at least in the short term but I assure you my agenda is not to support Romney. I have no problem with you referencing such an article for discussion purposes. My problem was that you made a claim that "most economists prefer Romney" based on a poll of 17 people. That's very misleading whether I like what you are saying or not.

The major news agencies reported it that way. Sounds like you might not like watching or reading the news.

[David88vert]

Here is what I think: he got elected because he said he was going to fix everything. I didn't expect him to magically make everything wonderful, but he should of made things a little better. the truth is that he made things worse by raising taxes (obamacare) and wasting trillions of dollars on stimuluses that didn't work. he had his chance now GTFO and lets try someone else.

No President could fix everything. All candidates make promises that need legislation passed by Congress and know that they can't do that themselves. That's politics.

[Echonova]

See what I mean. This post is completely devoid of any truth. No one at all disputed the cause of the Libyan ambassadors death. Everyone agrees it was a result of protestors. People like this will only adhere to and regurgitate information that confirms their preconceived notions.Even John Stewart knows better...


American Terror Story - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/01/12 - Video Clip | Comedy Central (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-1-2012/american-terror-story)

[fatty]

No President could fix everything. All candidates make promises that need legislation passed by Congress and know that they can't do that themselves. That's politics.

his party controlled congress and the senate for years he passed everything he wanted but it didn't work. the US needs new ideas so get this guy out

[Echonova]

Debate is off to a good start. Both are doing well, although it's only a couple minutes in.

[Echonova]

Lehrer has already lost control of this debate... LOL

[Sinfix_15]

Obama 2012!!!!!! (Pandering) Foward!

[1civic]

ARE YOU KIDDING!! ALL TALK.......... BUT 4 years and what?? 4 more years, fuck that!!

[Sinfix_15]

when i think about this debate.... i think about the miata owners over on the offtopic section and how they went 50+ pages arguing about their personal lives.... i think about all the 240 owners and how they think their cars retain their value like ferraris and defend them passionately in the for sale section..... i think about chadbee's photography and how everyone seems to like it.... i wonder what im going to have for lunch tomorrow and hope that whatever place it is has sweet tea because i really like sweet tea, i think about pretty much anything i can pander on about that allows me to listen to my own voice and give me something to talk about so that i make sure that i'm talking for the entire time duration, i know that i doesnt matter what i say it only matters that people are listening to my voice, i know my voice has an effect on people kind of like Barry White's and that i could be reading you the mcdonalds menu right now and i would still win votes, i think about e36slide and how confusing most of his posts are and i it gives me hope to move forward.

[Sinfix_15]

ARE YOU KIDDING!! ALL TALK.......... BUT 4 years and what?? 4 more years, fuck that!!

i dont think there's any need to be upset right now. democrats that were actually watching the debate are sweating bullets right now. Granted, i admit that they only make up a very small portion of Obama supporters.

[1civic]

Romney 1 Obuma 0

[Sinfix_15]

LOL "my president is black" is trending on twitter............................ lots of highly educated african americans posting on that one.

[David88vert]

See what I mean. This post is completely devoid of any truth. No one at all disputed the cause of the Libyan ambassadors death. Everyone agrees it was a result of protestors. People like this will only adhere to and regurgitate information that confirms their preconceived notions.


Apparently, you have not been following the news. Your statement is not correct.

U.S. had early indications Libya attack tied to organized militants | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/03/us-usa-libya-intelligence-idUSBRE89201220121003)

Timeline of statements: What Obama administration has said about Libya attack - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/01/politics/libya-attack-statements/index.html?iref=storysearch)

[Sammich]

LOL "my president is black" is trending on twitter............................ lots of highly educated african americans posting on that one.

you racist dude. i'm just calling it. you can say what you want, that's cool, just be you.

[Sinfix_15]

you racist dude. i'm just calling it. you can say what you want, that's cool, just be you.

I'm a racist for pointing out racist things other people say and do. Noted.

I'm responding to looking at things like this on twitter all night................... a lot of people were complaining that Obama didnt get a chance to speak because Romney kept interrupting him... which i thought was pretty funny since Obama spoke 4 minutes longer.
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[Sammich]

you've done racist things all on your own 2 feet, before bringing up what others have done on twitter.

[Sinfix_15]

you've done racist things all on your own 2 feet, before bringing up what others have done on twitter.

All for the same reason. The extent of my "racism" is me being willing to say "hey, look at what these black people said/did"

[Sammich]

there's a difference between what you're doing and constructive criticism. there's others in this thread that have not taken your avenue that may very well be Romney supporters. i can respect whoever's reason, but that racist type shit, "that's that shit i don't like" embrace whatever you are. it's like you fighting a battle with something you cant win against.

i really dont care who you vote for, all of your post are 'OBAMA 100% fail, ROMNEY 100% win'...i can't see where both are 100% either way. i may not have the facts on both candidates nor care that much to delve into it that far, but from the outside looking in, while both make points and what not, both are not100% either way. I bet Romney will actually do somethings that benefit Obama voters that they never thought about, and vice versa for Romney voters. all the race shit that you tossing around is ridiculous, plain.

[Sinfix_15]

there's a difference between what you're doing and constructive criticism. there's others in this thread that have not taken your avenue that may very well be Romney supporters. i can respect whoever's reason, but that racist type shit, "that's that shit i don't like" embrace whatever you are. it's like you fighting a battle with something you cant win against.

i really dont care who you vote for, all of your post are 'OBAMA 100% fail, ROMNEY 100% win'...i can't see where both are 100% either way. i may not have the facts on both candidates nor care that much to delve into it that far, but from the outside looking in, while both make points and what not, both are not100% either way. I bet Romney will actually do somethings that benefit Obama voters that they never thought about, and vice versa for Romney voters. all the race shit that you tossing around is ridiculous, plain.

I dont recall ever having a Romney 100% win approach.......... you'd probably be very surprised how much we would have in common. On most social issues i lean in favor of Obama. I'm an atheist so religious affiliation doesnt matter to me, I'm also pro choice, and i support gay rights. If i could pick who won..... i'd take Ron Paul. With the options i'm left with, i'll vote for Romney. Obama's record as president speaks for it'self. Unless you're willing to blame all of the problems on Bush, there's no logical way to call the last 4 years a success. I'm not thrilled about Romney, but it seems pretty clear to me that Obama needs to go. I'll tone down the race acknowledgements for now, but i was simply commenting on what i was reading. If it wasnt there, i wouldnt have commented. I posted examples.

[bu villain]

The major news agencies reported it that way.

And? I don't care who said it, it is very misleading.


Sounds like you might not like watching or reading the news.

I don't watch the news because the reporting is secondary to ratings. I get most of my news in written form but there is still alot of bullshit reporting there too. That's why you have to always have your bullshit filter on.

[David88vert]

And? I don't care who said it, it is very misleading.



I don't watch the news because the reporting is secondary to ratings. I get most of my news in written form but there is still alot of bullshit reporting there too. That's why you have to always have your bullshit filter on.

So, if the majority of reporting agencies say something you don't like, you just ignore it. AP, Reuters, etc, are used for print, tv, and internet.

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So, if the majority of reporting agencies say something you don't like, you just ignore it. AP, Reuters, etc, are used for print, tv, and internet.

If everyone reports something that's not true, it doesn't make it true.

[Sinfix_15]

Philadelphia Teacher bullies student for wearing Romney t-shirt (http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/10/04/philadelphia-teacher-bullies-student-for-wearing-romney-t-shirt/)


interesting story i stumbled across today.

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Philadelphia Teacher bullies student for wearing Romney t-shirt (http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/10/04/philadelphia-teacher-bullies-student-for-wearing-romney-t-shirt/)


interesting story i stumbled across today.
Im not hearing the whole story. For all we know she was disrupting class with the shirt, she goes home and tells her dad, who, by the way she's parroting, and right-wing nut dad decides to make an issue out of it. Judging by her age, she probably doesnt have any political opinions of her own anyway, and, save for a government class, there really shouldnt be any political discussion going on anyway, especially any kind of endorsing.

[Sinfix_15]

Im not hearing the whole story. For all we know she was disrupting class with the shirt, she goes home and tells her dad, who, by the way she's parroting, and right-wing nut dad decides to make an issue out of it. Judging by her age, she probably doesnt have any political opinions of her own anyway, and, save for a government class, there really shouldnt be any political discussion going on anyway, especially any kind of endorsing.

i agree, i didnt post it in a condemning fashion, just thought it was interesting.

[David88vert]

Im not hearing the whole story. For all we know she was disrupting class with the shirt, she goes home and tells her dad, who, by the way she's parroting, and right-wing nut dad decides to make an issue out of it. Judging by her age, she probably doesnt have any political opinions of her own anyway, and, save for a government class, there really shouldnt be any political discussion going on anyway, especially any kind of endorsing.



You make a lot of assumptions without any basis for them.

If we are going to make baseless assumptions, how about that the teacher just has an undying hatred for anyone white and was a racist? That's baseless as well, but seems ok by your standards.

[David88vert]

If everyone reports something that's not true, it doesn't make it true.

While that statement is true, what I see is that the two of you like to disregard anything that doesn't fall inline with your narrow viewpoint. IE - the facts need to fit your viewpoint, rather than your viewpoint fit the facts.

It's hard to take someone like that seriously.


I'm guessing that we should just ignore this pro-Obama news then also?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/05/us-usa-economy-idUSBRE8930PZ20121005

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You make a lot of assumptions without any basis for them.

If we are going to make baseless assumptions, how about that the teacher just has an undying hatred for anyone white and was a racist? That's baseless as well, but seems ok by your standards.

Once again, you failed to read and comprehend my post. The article left out many key specifics. End of story.

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While that statement is true, what I see is that the two of you like to disregard anything that doesn't fall inline with your narrow viewpoint. IE - the facts need to fit your viewpoint, rather than your viewpoint fit the facts.

It's hard to take someone like that seriously.


I'm guessing that we should just ignore this pro-Obama news then also?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/05/us-usa-economy-idUSBRE8930PZ20121005I like to disregard anything that isn't true. I don't based opinions on lies and vitriol. Simple as that. If you perceive that as having a narrow "liberal" point of view, that's your prerogative, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

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Fox News just reported UE is down to 7.8%. It was over 10% when he took office.

Discuss

[Echonova]

Fox News just reported UE is down to 7.8%. It was over 10% when he took office.

DiscussJust for shits and giggles...

Author Brad Thor Tweets My Prediction That the Regime Would Manipulate the Jobless Number Below 8% by Election Day - The Rush Limbaugh Show (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/10/05/author_brad_thor_tweets_my_prediction_that_the_reg ime_would_manipulate_the_jobless_number_below_8_by _election_day)

[Sammich]

Fox News just reported UE is down to 7.8%. It was over 10% when he took office.

Discuss


Just for shits and giggles...

Author Brad Thor Tweets My Prediction That the Regime Would Manipulate the Jobless Number Below 8% by Election Day - The Rush Limbaugh Show (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/10/05/author_brad_thor_tweets_my_prediction_that_the_reg ime_would_manipulate_the_jobless_number_below_8_by _election_day)

ROFLMAO yo i wouldnt doubt it. that's funny

SN: i didnt read any of those links, just the headlines made me lol

[Echonova]

ROFLMAO yo i wouldnt doubt it. that's funny

SN: i didnt read any of those links, just the headlines made me lolCliff notes: Rush predicted this would happen in 2011.

[Jaimecbr900]

Interesting reading. Interesting in that obviously TV ads and propaganda seems to be money well spent when it comes to politics.

Just an observation.

[Sammich]

Cliff notes: Rush predicted this would happen in 2011.

i dont doubt it...it's like dropping gas prices right around election for that extra lil bit to get that couple hundred more votes...smh. FUK POLITICS

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Cliff notes: Rush predicted this would happen in 2011.

Yeah. Rush likes to predict a lot of things

http://www.politicususa.com/rush-limbaugh-claims-obama-changed-hurricane-isaac-forecast-hurt-gop.html

[Echonova]

Yeah. Rush likes to predict a lot of things

Rush Limbaugh Claims Obama Changed Hurricane Isaac Forecast to Hurt the GOP (http://www.politicususa.com/rush-limbaugh-claims-obama-changed-hurricane-isaac-forecast-hurt-gop.html)LOL, I know. Like I said, it was just for shits and giggles.

[Sinfix_15]

Fox News just reported UE is down to 7.8%. It was over 10% when he took office.

Discuss

UE numbers are based on people drawing UE, not people who are not working or unemployed. The work force is much smaller now.

[Jaimecbr900]

Yeah. Rush likes to predict a lot of things

Rush Limbaugh Claims Obama Changed Hurricane Isaac Forecast to Hurt the GOP (http://www.politicususa.com/rush-limbaugh-claims-obama-changed-hurricane-isaac-forecast-hurt-gop.html)

Again, it's all in just WHO is writing what.....NOT on FACT.

This is why so many people went to the polls to vote for a President because "I'm not gonna have to pay for my mortgage no' mo'", "I'm not gonna have to pay to go to the Dr. no' mo'", and the best of all....."He's black" as the "reason" for voting for him. Haven't a clue about his stances on anything else, yet casted a ballot and elected him on one or more of those brilliant and insightful assumptions. How's that happen? Because grown folks who haven't a clue how to balance a check book, yet are fully legally allowed to cast a ballot for the highest elected office in the world, watch TV and go on the internet all the time to get their information regurgitated to them never once questioning WHO is saying that and does it make any sense at all.

Take a look at your "source" for the Rush Limbaugh spin: (this is a direct quote from THEIR own website)

"PoliticusUSA was founded in February of 2008 by Jason Easley. Jason had a vision of a liberal and independent news site which would offer a mix politics and opinion in an unfiltered environment, not beholden to any specific political or media agenda. PoliticusUSA is by design accessible to all levels of readers. Whether you are a casual follower of current events or a policy wonk, there is something here at PoliticusUSA for you.

“If by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a Liberal.”~J.F.K. In other words, if you are to the left of Ayn Rand Tea Party Social Darwinism, if you think we have some responsibility for the poor, the elderly, the veterans, the disabled, and the vulnerable in society, welcome to PoliticusUSA."


I highlighted the interesting parts.

So a LIBERAL and SOCIALIST website spun a comment made by a super CONSERVATIVE and controversial talk show host......surprised????.....REALLY?

The ironic thing is this: Rush Limbaugh is NOT running for ANY political office in any state, especially the President. So WHY is it that so many people use HIM as if he was? He's not the poster child for Republicans, is he? So all of a sudden because someone agrees with our view that makes them US too? In other words, if I said something that I believe in and for some odd reason a KKK member happens to agree with that one thing I said.....does that make ME anything? He/she just agreed with what I said. Doesn't mean I agreed with him or her.

The spin doctors will always continue to cloud the water in order to avoid having to face the REAL issues. It's a diversion tactic. Nothing more, nothing less. The idiots out there who can't do anything for themselves unless the "Gobment" gives it to them of course want more of it. They didn't have to work for what they're getting now, so why would they ever want that to stop? Liberal Socialists want the "Gobment" to masticate the food they eat for them and to be sure and take from the big bad rich to give to the poor. So OF COURSE they are going to find any and all reasons to keep a President in office by spinning every single nugget they can possibly spin doctor their way......WHY?????......simply because they are forced to face the real FACTS they are SOL.

Simple and direct question:

- Name, list, find, CREDIBLE and NOT spun liberal media facts about President Obama's accomplishments during his Presidency.

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Take a look at your "source" for the Rush Limbaugh spin: (this is a direct quote from THEIR own website)If I'm referencing a direct quote from Rush Limbaughs own two lips, does it matter where I got the quote from? I wasn't referring to what the editors thought about it, I'm referring to what Limbaugh actually said. I could have plucked the same thing from Limbaughs own archived broadcast and delivered the same message.



Simple and direct question:

- Name, list, find, CREDIBLE and NOT spun liberal media facts about President Obama's accomplishments during his Presidency.

Biases based on reporting document-able evidence shouldn't be categorized as liberal leaning (which is what I feel like is happening here), unless you define a liberal lean as fact based. I define liberal leaning as biased towards liberal viewpoints in a overt or covert manner. I think "liberal" has been subconsciously defined here as the opposite of conservative. While I agree there is absolutely a such thing as "liberal bias", it is itself blatantly obvious, and distinguishable from fact based reporting. However, I feel as if it's increasing in occurrence now that if you report discernible facts and truths without the conservative spin you are placed subconsciously into a de-facto state of liberal preference. Which in itself I do not define as "liberal".

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UE numbers are based on people drawing UE, not people who are not working or unemployed. The work force is much smaller now.

Not so much. Read more on how that came to the 7.8%

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/news/us-jobless-rate-falls-7-8-pct-44-123110986--finance.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US

[bu villain]

So, if the majority of reporting agencies say something you don't like, you just ignore it. AP, Reuters, etc, are used for print, tv, and internet.

How did you get that from my response? What I said was that just because it is reported doesn't make it true. The CNN article stated "A majority of economists prefer Romney" when the details in the article did not support that statement. It has nothing to do with whether I like Romney or not. I didn't realize it was controversial to say we shouldn't take everything the media says as gospel truth. It seems like you just want to argue for the sake or arguing.

[BanginJimmy]

Not so much. Read more on how that came to the 7.8%

US jobless rate falls to 7.8 pct., 44-month low (http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/news/us-jobless-rate-falls-7-8-pct-44-123110986--finance.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US)

I dont put much faith into the UE numbers, especially when you use the U3 rate.

I do question a few things here though. First the facts from the BLS report.

1. We added 114k jobs over the last month.
2. 235k people returned to the work force.
3. July number were adjusted +40k to +181k
4. August numbers were revised up from +46+ to +142k
5. Economist consensus says the US economy needs 125k jobs per month to keep up with population inflation.

Just over the past 3 months, with the inclusion of the revisions, the numbers simply dont add up.


Over the last 3 months job roles are up 437k.

Over the last 3 months we needed to create 610k jobs to keep up with population inflation and those returning to the job market just to stay even.

Considering this info, how did the rate drop .3%?

[David88vert]

How did you get that from my response? What I said was that just because it is reported doesn't make it true. The CNN article stated "A majority of economists prefer Romney" when the details in the article did not support that statement. It has nothing to do with whether I like Romney or not. I didn't realize it was controversial to say we shouldn't take everything the media says as gospel truth. It seems like you just want to argue for the sake or arguing.

9 of 17 is a majority.

[Echonova]

Considering this info, how did the rate drop .3%?You adjust for the people dropping out after their 99 weeks of UE... Duh. Some because they went on disability... 8,786,049: Yet Another Record for Americans Collecting Disability | CNSNews.com (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8786049-yet-another-record-americans-collecting-disability)



Some just because since they can't collect, they can't be counted.

[Echonova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyUx7eMscxU&feature=g-all-lik

[BanginJimmy]

You adjust for the people dropping out after their 99 weeks of UE... Duh. Some because they went on disability... 8,786,049: Yet Another Record for Americans Collecting Disability | CNSNews.com (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8786049-yet-another-record-americans-collecting-disability)



Some just because since they can't collect, they can't be counted.

Unless I am reading it wrong, the BLS report says 235k people entered the work force.

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[bu villain]

9 of 17 is a majority.

Sure, a 9 of 17 is a majority. Can't argue with that math. What I am arguing about is that it is a meaningless sampling and will probably mislead people into thinking that a majority OF ALL ECONOMISTS feel that way. Hey I just asked three people on the street who they were voting for and they said Obama. Would it be responsible for me to write an article and title it "100% of Georgians plan to vote for Obama"?

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Sure, a 9 of 17 is a majority. Can't argue with that math. What I am arguing about is that it is a meaningless sampling and will probably mislead people into thinking that a majority OF ALL ECONOMISTS feel that way. Hey I just asked three people on the street who they were voting for and they said Obama. Would it be responsible for me to write an article and title it "100% of Georgians plan to vote for Obama"?

9 out of 17 Georgians I've asked said Obamas a Muslim Kenyan socialist.

Seems legit.

[BanginJimmy]

According to the chairman of the congressional black caucus Emanuel Cleaver, blacks that dont vote "should give us their color back".

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According to the chairman of the congressional black caucus Emanuel Cleaver, blacks that dont vote "should give us their color back".

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LOL. As a black voter, I kinda have to agree with that.

[Sinfix_15]

Seeing Romney lead in the polls today restored a little bit of my faith in humanity. Maybe there's hope for america after all.

[Sinfix_15]

LOL. As a black voter, I kinda have to agree with that.

Wonder what he would say if those black voters were voting for Romney, im sure it would be a completely different story then.

[David88vert]

Sure, a 9 of 17 is a majority. Can't argue with that math. What I am arguing about is that it is a meaningless sampling and will probably mislead people into thinking that a majority OF ALL ECONOMISTS feel that way. Hey I just asked three people on the street who they were voting for and they said Obama. Would it be responsible for me to write an article and title it "100% of Georgians plan to vote for Obama"?


It's as meaningful as the way the job numbers are polled.
If you looked at the percentage that those 17 make up of all professional US economists, and looked at the percentaged of those polled on the job rate against all individuals over 18 in the US, I suspect that the percentage would be greater on the polled economists. There aren't that many well-known and well-respected economists, and there are a lot of people eligilbe for work in the US. Yet, some people have no problem with the small sampling for the job numbers - when they support their political position.

[David88vert]

9 out of 17 Georgians I've asked said Obamas a Muslim Kenyan socialist.

Seems legit.

Sounds like you hang out with some uneducated people. I'm starting to think that you get your news updates from their uneducated neighbors, who believe that Obama is the saviour.

[David88vert]

According to the chairman of the congressional black caucus Emanuel Cleaver, blacks that dont vote "should give us their color back".

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Skin color shouldn't have anything to do with who you vote for. Vote for the candidate that will do the most to improve the lives of your kids, and their kids. That's what people really need.

[Jaimecbr900]

If I'm referencing a direct quote from Rush Limbaughs own two lips, does it matter where I got the quote from? I wasn't referring to what the editors thought about it, I'm referring to what Limbaugh actually said. I could have plucked the same thing from Limbaughs own archived broadcast and delivered the same message.

And Rush is running for WHAT office exactly????? This is simply a strategy to muddy the water away from the real issue. Real issue is below and no one can answer that question to a level of satisfaction to sway my vote to Obama. My own check book answers that question loud and clear.





Biases based on reporting document-able evidence shouldn't be categorized as liberal leaning (which is what I feel like is happening here), unless you define a liberal lean as fact based. I define liberal leaning as biased towards liberal viewpoints in a overt or covert manner. I think "liberal" has been subconsciously defined here as the opposite of conservative. While I agree there is absolutely a such thing as "liberal bias", it is itself blatantly obvious, and distinguishable from fact based reporting. However, I feel as if it's increasing in occurrence now that if you report discernible facts and truths without the conservative spin you are placed subconsciously into a de-facto state of liberal preference. Which in itself I do not define as "liberal".

Fact is that during Obama's sitting presidency he has NOT accomplished anything of value nor meaning. If he has, list it. If you can't, then why would you or anyone else vote for him? Answer that simple question.

Saw a quote this morning that applies here clearly:

Directly from OBAMA'S nomination acceptance speech at the NDC in 2008 and referring to his opponent.......

"If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things."


So let's see......back when Obama was the challenger he stood on a platform of "Change" from the oppressive regime that alienated "poor" people and "rewarded the rich white people". Now, fast forward 4 yrs, and HE who has not accomplished a single meaningful thing nor promise he stood up so high for and so many fools bought into blindly just because of the color of his skin is the one that has paid millions of dollars (none of which is his own money) to try and steer the public's eye away from his OWN lack of accomplishments to his opponent's ONE ANALOGY/EXAMPLE of "BIG BIRD" on Sesame Street?????? Really? Sesame Street? When the Middle East is about to blow up.....when we are Gazillions in debt......when unemployment is off the charts......when the economy is the worst is ever been in decades.....when we have immigration issues.....when we have unnecessary dependency on foreign oil which fuels that same Middle East blow up.......REALLY???? Freaking BIG BIRD is all you got after you looked like a fool on National TV to 60+ million of your constituents?????? Where's that "CHANGE" now? WHAT exactly has "CHANGED" for the better in 4yrs???? Someone please tell me.

Maybe we'll see a smear ad where the Democrats claim that "you are what you eat" or "I'm rubber and you're glue". Considering they are so focused on Big Bird and following the rhyme of what's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander, maybe they should stick to that course because running on the platform of "CHANGE" and accomplishments will likely not be so easily sold this time. Maybe they'll have high ranking Senators and Congressmen threaten to take people's "color" away if they don't vote for Obama. That may scare a few million in the herd. That may help his margin of victory.

Still challenge anyone to quit dancing around the excuses and LIST his accomplishments during his Presidency.......Hell, during his lifetime since he was already the LEAST qualified candidate in history to have ever been elected to begin with. LIST it. 1,2,3,4......if you can find them. LIST THEM. Obama campaign can't or they'd used it to death by now. Someone else try.

[bu villain]

It's as meaningful as the way the job numbers are polled.

So then you agree, it's meaningless.


If you looked at the percentage that those 17 make up of all professional US economists, and looked at the percentaged of those polled on the job rate against all individuals over 18 in the US, I suspect that the percentage would be greater on the polled economists. There aren't that many well-known and well-respected economists, and there are a lot of people eligilbe for work in the US. Yet, some people have no problem with the small sampling for the job numbers - when they support their political position.

Actually you are mistaken on the math behind statistical significance. It is not as simple as what percentage of the total.

To determine unemployment for the US Population of 300 million, you only need to ask 1067 people to get a result that has a margin of error of 3% with a 95% confidence level.

To determine the opinion of the top 100 economists with the same 3% margin of error and 95% confidence level, you need to ask 92 of them.

Now the article only asked 17 (out of the top 100 economists lets say). Their result was 9 of 17 or 53%. With a 95% confidence level, guess what the margin of error is. ..... almost 22%. So the conclusion of the article should be "Somewhere between 31% and 74% of top economists think Romney is better for the economy."

[bu villain]

Fact is that during Obama's sitting presidency he has NOT accomplished anything of value nor meaning. If he has, list it. If you can't, then why would you or anyone else vote for him? Answer that simple question.

First, it is important to note that everyone has different values so just because he hasn't done anything that you value or find meaningful, doesn't mean everyone agrees. It doesn't make you or them wrong, it's just a difference in values. I don't plan to vote for Obama but he has done some things that I value. I could similarly list things he has done that I do not support but since you asked for the ones I do value, here is a short list in no particular order.

1. Subsidized new sustainable energy technologies
2. Lowered my taxes (lower payroll tax, homebuyer credit, etc)
3. Made it illegal to deny health coverage for those with preexisting conditions, no lifetime benefit caps, healthcare exchanges, etc.
4. Repealed don't ask don't tell
5. Drawing down troops in the middle east

[Sinfix_15]

Skin color shouldn't have anything to do with who you vote for. Vote for the candidate that will do the most to improve the lives of your kids, and their kids. That's what people really need.

tell that to black people.

[Sinfix_15]

Worst president in the history of the united states but thanx to the liberal media and unconditional support from minorities, we're actually going to have a close race to get rid of Obama. In a perfect world, when a president is this terrible, you shouldnt have to worry about him being re-elected.

[David88vert]

So then you agree, it's meaningless.



Actually you are mistaken on the math behind statistical significance. It is not as simple as what percentage of the total.

To determine unemployment for the US Population of 300 million, you only need to ask 1067 people to get a result that has a margin of error of 3% with a 95% confidence level.

To determine the opinion of the top 100 economists with the same 3% margin of error and 95% confidence level, you need to ask 92 of them.

Now the article only asked 17 (out of the top 100 economists lets say). Their result was 9 of 17 or 53%. With a 95% confidence level, guess what the margin of error is. ..... almost 22%. So the conclusion of the article should be "Somewhere between 31% and 74% of top economists think Romney is better for the economy."




All the polls are meaningless. Only the electoral collee poll matters in the long run. The media just loves to stir up controversy to generate more profits.

Asking 1067 does not get you a cross-section of 300 million, in and of itself. You have to look at different region, economic levels, industrues, age, races, genders, etc. 1067 is not enough to achieve this, period. Do you think that you are going to get the same answer from a well-to-do 70 year old white pig farmer in OK, as from a single mother-of-3 black woman in NYC, who just got laid off from her job? It's not possible to get enough sampling from 1067 for conclusions or relible calculations on ANY subject. f it could, we wouldn't need to have an election at all. We could just make a few phone calls (all to Chicago, of course).

[David88vert]

First, it is important to note that everyone has different values so just because he hasn't done anything that you value or find meaningful, doesn't mean everyone agrees. It doesn't make you or them wrong, it's just a difference in values. I don't plan to vote for Obama but he has done some things that I value. I could similarly list things he has done that I do not support but since you asked for the ones I do value, here is a short list in no particular order.

1. Subsidized new sustainable energy technologies
2. Lowered my taxes (lower payroll tax, homebuyer credit, etc)
3. Made it illegal to deny health coverage for those with preexisting conditions, no lifetime benefit caps, healthcare exchanges, etc.
4. Repealed don't ask don't tell
5. Drawing down troops in the middle east

Excellent post. Must like this one.

[David88vert]

tell that to black people.



I do. And not all of the black people I know act like the stereotypes that you mention on here. We have different circles. I only know one who is voting for Obama because he is black, and he was already a very liberal Democrat.

[Sinfix_15]

I do. And not all of the black people I know act like the stereotypes that you mention on here. We have different circles. I only know one who is voting for Obama because he is black, and he was already a very liberal Democrat.

How many black people do you know that are voting for Romney?

"my circle" isnt the only factor in my opinion on this matter, i'm also judging from what i see on the news and net. Any black person that publicly supports Romney will be persecuted.

[David88vert]

How many black people do you know that are voting for Romney?

"my circle" isnt the only factor in my opinion on this matter, i'm also judging from what i see on the news and net. Any black person that publicly supports Romney will be persecuted.

I don't ask people who they are voting for. Based upon stated opinions, I suspect 2 that I know will vote Romney. There are a coue more that might vote either way.

I know a few whites that will vote for Obama even though they are quite wealthy just because they believe he will be a better President. They are entitled to their votes.

[bu villain]

All the polls are meaningless. Only the electoral collee poll matters in the long run. The media just loves to stir up controversy to generate more profits.

Asking 1067 does not get you a cross-section of 300 million, in and of itself. You have to look at different region, economic levels, industrues, age, races, genders, etc. 1067 is not enough to achieve this, period. Do you think that you are going to get the same answer from a well-to-do 70 year old white pig farmer in OK, as from a single mother-of-3 black woman in NYC, who just got laid off from her job? It's not possible to get enough sampling from 1067 for conclusions or relible calculations on ANY subject. f it could, we wouldn't need to have an election at all. We could just make a few phone calls (all to Chicago, of course).

My point was and still is that the 17 economist poll is useless and will only mislead people. That's it. I'm trying not to get pulled off on a tangent to analyze any other kind of polling. Funny side note though, there are a significant number of economists and mathemeticians who think should decide elections via relatively small samples of polling.

[bu villain]

Hey Sinflix, is that you in the picture in your sig? Just curious because that's kind of how I imagine you look when you talk about blacks voting for Obama.

[Sinfix_15]

Hey Sinflix, is that you in the picture in your sig? Just curious because that's kind of how I imagine you look when you talk about blacks voting for Obama.

Why is it that i get insulted for saying black people vote for Obama when black people do in fact vote for Obama? I'm making a factual statement and you're insulting me because of it.

[Sinfix_15]

I don't ask people who they are voting for. Based upon stated opinions, I suspect 2 that I know will vote Romney. There are a coue more that might vote either way.

I know a few whites that will vote for Obama even though they are quite wealthy just because they believe he will be a better President. They are entitled to their votes.

I dont ask them either, but i figure out who theyre voting for when every time i walk thru the break room at work they cheer like theyre watching a football game anytime something negative is said about Romney. The day after the debate they were all fiery and pissed off saying that Romney bullied Obama and wouldnt let him talk.

[bu villain]

Why is it that i get insulted for saying black people vote for Obama when black people do in fact vote for Obama? I'm making a factual statement and you're insulting me because of it.

I didn't mean to insult you, it was a light hearted joke. You just seem to have a lot of passion when discussing black people voting for Obama and I thought your sig matched that passion. I have no problem with you stating a vast majority of blacks vote for Obama. It is indeed a fact. But everyone already knows it so I'm not sure what is the point of injecting it into just about every discussion on here.

[bu villain]

Aww you changed your sig. That's no fun.

[Sinfix_15]

Aww you changed your sig. That's no fun.

The fact that you didnt know who it was means that i wasnt getting my point across. That is Will Muschamp, Gators football coach.

[Sinfix_15]

side note, am i the only one who would like to punch Joe biden in the face? what an arrogant classless douchebag. He's a perfect fit to be at Obama's side.

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side note, am i the only one who would like to punch Joe biden in the face? what an arrogant classless douchebag. He's a perfect fit to be at Obama's side.
Don't be mad because Biden made quick work of Ryan

[David88vert]

The VP debate is never taken seriously but it should be. Ask yourself who appears to have the answers and appears more Presidential? Who has the experience to step up the next day if something happened? The selection of a VP is a very important decision and tells you a lot about the President-elect.

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Sinfix. Step in here.

You're one to ridicule the inadequacy and idiocracies of the left. How does this make you feel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E87gciwebw&sns=em

[Juggernaut]

All I want to know is, if Obama/Biden knew nothing about what really happened in Libya even weeks after the attack. Why should we believe him about how much they know about Iran and their nuclear capabilities/deadline?


Edit: Serious question. After re-reading I realized it came off partisan.

[ISAtlanta300]

Don't be mad because Biden made quick work of Ryan

What debate were you watching??? lol.

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What debate were you watching??? lol.

The one where Ryan kept skating around simple mathematical issues that he couldn't answer and where Biden kept destroying his lies with facts.

That was the VP debate last night. Did you see it too?

[Sinfix_15]

Don't be mad because Biden made quick work of Ryan

He didnt work Ryan over, what he did was make a mockery of himself the same way this president has made a mockery of the white house. Both of these bums need to go. I hope unemployment rises.... because i hope the next 2 unemployed people are Obama and Biden.

[Sinfix_15]

Sinfix. Step in here.

You're one to ridicule the inadequacy and idiocracies of the left. How does this make you feel?

Woman At VP Debate Calls Obama A Communist - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E87gciwebw&sns=em)

As i've said before.... there's idiots on both sides of the isle, nobody is denying that. The scale leans heavy to the left though and its not even close. People are angry because theyre suffering under Obama's presidency. While theyre suffering, they have to watch a liberal media glorify this awful president.

[Elbow]

I'm not going to lie, I thought Biden kicked Ryan in the nuts. I thought Ryan would do better, he came across to me as a young kid without the knowledge he needs to do the job all while kissing Mitt's butt. I thought Biden's quick comebacks and laughs were hilarious.

[Sinfix_15]

I'm not going to lie, I thought Biden kicked Ryan in the nuts. I thought Ryan would do better, he came across to me as a young kid without the knowledge he needs to do the job all while kissing Mitt's butt. I thought Biden's quick comebacks and laughs were hilarious.

How did Ryan come off as "without knowledge" he produced as much stats and substance as Biden if not more. Biden came well prepared, he tried to turn it into a fight and not a stat match. He knows Ryan is well studied and that's why he tried to make it as much of a "bar brawl" as he could. Ryan is very much a political book worm, he knows his stats and figures.

Biden's arrogance annoys me. Neither Biden or Obama feel the need to apologize for anything and it makes me want to punch both of those douchebags.

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.politicalmathblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Job-Gains-By-Presidential-Tenure-Medium.jpg