UpsideDownDesi Callout

[tnomud]

Come One, Come All. Step Inside.

It light of the $2 UpsidedownDesi tax now applied to the Gwinnett Meet, I felt that now would be a good time to shine some light on the topic at hand. Before we get any further, since I am the OP of this fine and dandy Call-Out, lets clear the air on a few things that might come up to question my motive. First and foremost, I am not in any way hard up for money, nor a “hater”. I have never been brand/crew loyal, and this has nothing to do with any hood beefs like that. Like most enthusiasts, I do my part to partake in discussions on enthusiast forums, help when I can, and support the local scene to some degree. I am old and remember back in the 80’s when Google and forums were not there to fix my breaks and modifications. Yeah, I am a ball busting dick, but loyal to good people.
That being said, I can’t help to notice on many of the forums that I am on, that there is a constant effort from UpsideDownDesi to capitalize on each and every aspect of the Atlanta Car Scene. IA, Vette boards, VW boards, Subaru Boards, and literally DOZENS of others. It’s the same thing, over and over again. Dawn Runs, F&F Premier Cruises, Mischief Runs, NOPI Cruise, Peel Your Paint, Supercar Tours, and so on. In fact, almost all of your posts on most of these forums are an offer to sell some sort of part or magical service. When UpsidedownDesi is googled, there are literally 38 pages of nothing but for sale ads and solicitations. With an exception of a few “gay vibe” posts, and some “Indian Porn” requests, there are 38 pages of you selling or hustling something. To me, it just rubbed me the wrong way when you wanted to shake me down for $2 for “my protection”. Unless Chuck Norris is there, I am in good shape.:goodjob:

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Let us all discuss. Group participation is encouraged.
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[Echonova]

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[MeFryRice]

I agree 100%. He tries to sell multiple vehicles on here, why not become a vendor and pay IA the dues like others have?

[MachNU]

I have called this out many times before. Search my post on here, its very evident that I do not like Sonny. I love how we creates all these "high class events" then makes them invite only. Claims that all these high dollar cars will be with him or hes connected to this or that, or that this event would not be around if it wasnt for him. Kind of like buying a Subaru that has already been done up by the previous owner and calling it yours. All of his events are a usual meet, that with one phone call all the private information can be easily found out. Then where you have to pay...like his latest Supercar Tour to NOPI. Pay me $750 and you will get a placement at the Supercar section and admission to the $50 event. He simply tries to buy his way into the car scene and start all of these events that he claims he starts or gets all the hook ups or spent his own hard earned money on too make happen. Its been a joke for years and still is. Everytime I get an invite too one of his events on Facebook, I do not even look at it, I just instantly say No or Decline it.

[Vteckidd]

I agree 100%. He tries to sell multiple vehicles on here, why not become a vendor and pay IA the dues like others have?

hes friends with the owner of IA , randomguy i believe.

[Vteckidd]

I have actually had MAJOR beef with sunny over the years, and overall, im not too fond of him.

HOWEVER, if he is going through the trouble of organizing an event, getting vendors/sponsors there, is making sure the rif raf stay out of the meet (unlike the Varsity) , and its on private property (wild bills), he may feel its worth his time to charge you a fee for that service. The alternative is to just...........not go.

I personally dont see the attraction of paying someone money to go ride with "HOT CARZ y0" that the S+M stuff does, but if he offers club entry, dinner, snacks, video production, and in some cases escorted routes (to keep the lambos secure).....................well, i guess he can charge for that right? The alternative is to just............not go.

Basically he does a very very very small version of say...........Import Alliance.

Now, the spamming, its CLEARLY a business if hes charging, so he should be forced to be a vendor, and its not fair to paying vendors if he gets off free to spam the board with all the cars and events he does.

As a consumer its your choice to pay to attend his shindigs or not. Personally, i hate that crowd and think they are all ricers and sluts, Id rather go to a NFL/NBA game with a much classier bunch of people that i actually can hold an intelligent conversation with.

[Vteckidd]

I love how we creates all these "high class events" then makes them invite only.
Makes him a ricer and a poser, but not illegal


Claims that all these high dollar cars will be with him or hes connected to this or that, or that this event would not be around if it wasnt for him.
Makes him a ricer and a poser, but not illegal


Kind of like buying a Subaru that has already been done up by the previous owner and calling it yours.
Makes him a ricer and a poser, but not illegal



All of his events are a usual meet, that with one phone call all the private information can be easily found out.
I always wondered this too. What would happen if like a team of 50 other cars showed up to his Dawn Run or something, its not like he can kick them off a public highway.


Then where you have to pay...like his latest Supercar Tour to NOPI. Pay me $750 and you will get a placement at the Supercar section and admission to the $50 event.

Someone call NOPI and see if they sanction it like the old Super Street Mag did. If hes got their blessing , again, he can do whatever he wants. If not, he can be sued by NOPI for fraud. I suspect hes got their blessing because the meet is going to be so shitty Nopi needs all the help they can get.



He simply tries to buy his way into the car scene and start all of these events that he claims he starts or gets all the hook ups or spent his own hard earned money on too make happen. Its been a joke for years and still is. Everytime I get an invite too one of his events on Facebook, I do not even look at it, I just instantly say No or Decline it.

again, Makes him a ricer and a poser, but not illegal. Hes done that for years, hes persistent ill give him that.

[Vteckidd]

I basically look at it as him being a used car salesmen taking advantage of dumbass kids who dont know any better. If he can get away with it, well, thats his right. People should be more like "hey why am i paying 2$ for this" and see if its his policy or Wild Bills policy. If its Wild Bills, is he an employee?

Is he authorized to start charging fixed prices on private property?

Maybe he is? maybe he is just trying to make money.

who knows.

[MachNU]

Makes him a ricer and a poser, but not illegal


Makes him a ricer and a poser, but not illegal


Makes him a ricer and a poser, but not illegal



I always wondered this too. What would happen if like a team of 50 other cars showed up to his Dawn Run or something, its not like he can kick them off a public highway.



Someone call NOPI and see if they sanction it like the old Super Street Mag did. If hes got their blessing , again, he can do whatever he wants. If not, he can be sued by NOPI for fraud. I suspect hes got their blessing because the meet is going to be so shitty Nopi needs all the help they can get.




again, Makes him a ricer and a poser, but not illegal. Hes done that for years, hes persistent ill give him that.

Not disagreeing at all. That was simply what I was getting at...how much of a ricer and a poser he is. NOPI has a supercar section, which they filled up going around to other events over the last year and inviting people too it. I think 7 of my customers, maybe even more, all got invited into the section.

[RandomGuy]

Can't hate Sunny for trying to do business. He's not an official sponsor, but the gwinnett meets turn out a pretty good crowd so I'm not complaining.

He's letting us sell IA shirts there,

They'll be $2 off tonight to attempt to recompensate haha

[MachNU]

I just find it funny the way he sells himself to people as being some big shot in the car community and these events he starts are so exclusive simply because its him doing it. Its more like a comic, reading his events, as they pop up across forums and Facebook. Even more funny now that the more he does the less views/post they get because people now know that it will be the same few middle class cars and 1 or 2 exotics if hes truly lucky.

[Vteckidd]

I mean the pics speak for themselves. Its a bunch of ragged out 240s and civics, with a sprinkling of a nice car here and there............typical of almost every MEET PICS thread I see on here.

I cant see why anyone would really attend unless a bunch of their friends go too and there truly is nothing better to do except stand in a parking lot and gawk and other shitty cars.

But hey, thats what he is into, getting ricers to come hang out and apparently pay him money.

[CSquared]

If you want my opinion on this, roll back through the gwinnett meet thread or see the following dawn run thread:

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/events-meets-shows/330470-ga-dawn-run-iv.html

Needless to say, he and I have had words in the past and I agree with every word the OP said.

[MeFryRice]

Can't hate Sunny for trying to do business. He's not an official sponsor, but the gwinnett meets turn out a pretty good crowd so I'm not complaining.

He's letting us sell IA shirts there,

They'll be $2 off tonight to attempt to recompensate haha

So him selling allowing you to sell t-shirts is enough compensation for him to bypass rules that EVERYONE else is being forced to follow? Either he pays his part or his FS threads need to be deleted.

Usually I don't side with Mike (Vteckidd) but I do in this case. In fact, I see he's responded in the Gwinnett meet thread but just happened to ignore this one.

[Revmaynard]

Wouldn't he need an event permit to legally charge people that $2?

[Julio]

Lol.. :lmfao:

[MachNU]

Lol.. :lmfao:

Give us your take. You know you want too. lol

[Revmaynard]

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[C230K]

It is only $2......

[MeFryRice]

It's not the fact that it's $2. It's about the fact that he's trying to charge a fee to something that is free. Hell, why don't us "haters" start having our meets there another night of the week. Just kidding, I'm not driving up there every Thursday.

[quickdodge®]

I like Sunny. Met him a few times and think he's a cool dude for sure. But I don't really care for how he tries to capitalize on the "scene" by making things exclusive to certain people and now by charging to go to meets?

In a time where the import tuning hobby is probably at an all time high in animosities towards one another, it would seem that doing what you can to bring people together in harmony would be tops on the list. Not putting out exclusive to certain people events.

This is just my take and I'm not using this to bash him. Just voicing my only "complaint" (for lack of better term) to him.

[Echonova]

It is only $2......I'm with you, don't like the price... Don't go. Capitalism at work.

[Kyle]

To be honest, thats the reason I've never gone to any of the meets organized by Sunny.

Do I have anything against Sunny? No, not at all, never met him and I'll reserve my judgment until I do/and or hear his side of the story.
Am I invited to his meets? Yes.
Do I have the money to go? Absolutely.
Will I blindly give someone money for no reason? No fucking way.

Come on guys, $35 for a dawn run? "Secret Locations"? Sorry man thats not lucrative, it's simply a way of ensuring everyone pays. I agree with the original poster, his motives should be in question. Like I said, I'll reserve judgment until Sunny clears the record, but to me unless he's at this secret location cooking me breakfast at 6am, I'm gonna think this is bullshit.

[Vteckidd]

To me its just simple, if hes offering a SERVICE that no one else can get, then anything worth doing well is worth doing for money.

If you guys think hes charging money for something you dont need, dont buy it, he will go out of business and youll never hear about it again. TO me, meets are free, its just people getting together. The only thing i could see worth paying for is if the venue wants you to pay. Like, if WIld Bills tells him "your people can park here, but its $2 per car" then no harm no foul. Private property can charge what they want. The question i have is , WHO IS CHARGING THE MONEY, SUNNY, OR WILD BILLS? Who is Collecting the money, are they splitting it, etc.

If hes just pocketing it then the meet will close down as soon as everyone realizes they can just go somewhere else for free. I saw his responses in other threads, i highly doubt hes paying cops per hour and shit. unless 500-600 cars are showing up, hes not making enough money to pay for cops. Off Duty cops make 20-30$ an hour.

Consumers should decide if they want to pay the money. Just call wild bills and ask "hey do you guys charge for parking? Someone is charging me $2 on thursday nights". Should get the answer you want.

As far as S+M, again, thats just up to the consumer to decide. Doesnt look like very many people attend really, so im sure its just some people he knows who get together with the occasional rich guy who wants to feel cool

[RandomGuy]

To me its just simple, if hes offering a SERVICE that no one else can get, then anything worth doing well is worth doing for money.

If you guys think hes charging money for something you dont need, dont buy it, he will go out of business and youll never hear about it again. TO me, meets are free, its just people getting together. The only thing i could see worth paying for is if the venue wants you to pay. Like, if WIld Bills tells him "your people can park here, but its $2 per car" then no harm no foul. Private property can charge what they want. The question i have is , WHO IS CHARGING THE MONEY, SUNNY, OR WILD BILLS? Who is Collecting the money, are they splitting it, etc.

If hes just pocketing it then the meet will close down as soon as everyone realizes they can just go somewhere else for free. I saw his responses in other threads, i highly doubt hes paying cops per hour and shit. unless 500-600 cars are showing up, hes not making enough money to pay for cops. Off Duty cops make 20-30$ an hour.

Consumers should decide if they want to pay the money. Just call wild bills and ask "hey do you guys charge for parking? Someone is charging me $2 on thursday nights". Should get the answer you want.

As far as S+M, again, thats just up to the consumer to decide. Doesnt look like very many people attend really, so im sure its just some people he knows who get together with the occasional rich guy who wants to feel cool
I don't think people care too much about the occasional rich guy. There's a bit of pretty much every car type there and people who are still working with what they got. You won't really see a built and gutted AE86 at C&O, it's just a different type of scene.

Believe it or not, some people are still into the hobby aspect of it. Seeing each other's rides gradually get to "C&O" status, etc.

I think 2 bux is good security to make sure the meet doesn't get broken up or causes issues. I guess it's the other people that feel this way who will show up- cool.

Turnout was big, pics soon

[David88vert]

I can't believe how much whining is going on it here. I'll break it down to basics for you.

$2 is not making him money. If you have ever run any event or business in your life, you would know that the $35 on Dawn Run is not making any money either. He can't live off running a few events, and his car wasn't paid for off them either.
If you can't afford $2, then stay home. If you can, but don't want to spend the money, go setup your own meet, or stop complaining.

You think that the caliber of cars isn't "good enough", then get better cars to come. That's on you, not on someone who is setting up a parking lot for you to be able to hang out at.

I've actually been to some of Sunny's events, unlike most of the people commenting in this thread. Have you ever been to an event that had 3 Bugattis, along with a dozen more, Ferrari's Lambos, Bentleys, Rolls, etc? I have and guess who took me there - Sunny. Not one other IA member has arranged anything like that sinece the very beginning of IA.

Dawn Run has had 911's and Ferrari's getting on it on the street - what other events in Atlanta have them? None.

I see people complaining, but only one person has been putting out any effort to improve the local car scene, and that is Sunny. Unless you can and are willing to do better, then why are you even complaining?

As for the one positive person that still has a question (QD), the answer is lengthy, but here is a simple version. When you have a free event, you get more people, but you get plenty that have different priorities as well. People coming to a free event may not be car enthusiasts, but rather, just people who come to hang out with their friends, or people who would rather spend their money on weed than on their car.
When you charge, you define the event to a more specific market, and in this case, car enthusiasts.

Now, back to everyone. I've seen complaints about the quality of cars repeeatedly, but here is the fact. If you have a free event, everyone will come, and fill out the parkign lot with cars quickly. Quite a few of these cars will be beat-up POS owned by kids who would rather spend their limited funds on weed and beer, rather than on aftermarket car parts and paint. This keeps the caliber of cars that you can attract lower, as who would want to bring their modded G37 and park it next to a beat up 1988 Civic that the owner doesn't even wash? Charging the $2 doesn't eliminate all of them, but a few, opening up spaces for more determined individuals.
You want people who will skip lunch to use their lunch money towards a new paint job or turbo, not people who just want to hang out for free. If you can't understand this, you are just in denial.

[98blackcivic]

either you got money..or you dont.
if you got it, no complaints.
if you aint got it..
gtfo

[Kyle]

either you got money..or you dont.
if you got it, no complaints.
if you aint got it..
gtfo
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[tnomud]

I am not short on cash, cars, etc. It's not just about the Gwinette Meet Either. I think its the principle of the Shake-Down in question here. Dozens and Dozens of Accounts on most cars sites with nuthing but hustle and sell.


GA400 has always been a toll road, most don't have an issue with it. Make I-85 HOV a toll lane, people get pissed. With me?

[David88vert]

The WB Gwinnett Meet has always been paid for by people. Previously, the lot's usage was 100% funded by WB, as they pay the rent. No security was provided, and as a result, I have seen numerous burnouts done with tons of people around (safety issue), trash left all over the lot (immaturity), and fights in the parking lot. Of course, it was all free to your pocket.

There are less than 300 spaces in that back lot, and at $2 per spot, that is $600. Assuming that there are an average of 4 GCPD at only $25/hr (alolow for early arrival at 7, and leaving at 1), then you have a cost of $600 for officers. Again, that is assuming that WB's has no cut from it. now, add in for the trash sweeper, which is at minimum $100/night. Of course, you will have some cars roll out early, and others will pull into the lot, so that some spots mak double money, but there really isn't anything that Sunny is making with only $2/spot. Now, add in his cost for insurance for his company, and he is definitely not making enough money off this meet to warrant the criticisms from those who contribute nothing to the local scene.

Additionally, you don't have to pay $2 to attend the meet. Park somewhere else, and walk in, or you can ride in with someone else. The meet is entirely voluntary. No one forces anyone to come or pay.

As for your highway cost explanation - taxpayers already pay for full use of I-85, hence the complaint. You have not paid anything towards the use of the WB's lot at any time. With me?

[Vteckidd]

You guys missed the point .

[quickdodge®]

You guys missed the point .

Agreed. I haven't seen anyone complain about $2 being too much and can't afford. Seems to have nothing to do with that.

[tnomud]

I predict a carload of clowns and vikings on the next "Supercar Tour":yes:

[dimer4life]

Unless Sunny comes in here and explains his side of the story with facts, I will give my opinion that this meet got ruined when it was decided to start charging $2. It reduced the quantity of cars and I payed admission to be there for only like 25 minutes since everyone got kicked out at 12.

Before $2 admission = lots of cars and stay as late you wanted
After $2 admission = less cars and get kicked out at 12 ................
Doesn't make sense to me. Please explain Sunny

[CSquared]

Agreed. I haven't seen anyone complain about $2 being too much and can't afford. Seems to have nothing to do with that.

X3

[Vteckidd]

The point IMO isnt about the 2$. The point is the reason behind charging the $2. When i show up to a "meet" i expect the money im being charged to represent something. Common sense questions are:

Who is charging me? - are they an employee of Wild Bills, a separate entity?
Why are they charging me? - Why am i being charged? what does it pay for? What service is being provided?
Is it worth it? - most car meets are FREE because, well, its people getting together to hang out. Varsity never charged, this meet used to be free......

Those are simple questions to answer. Its not that big of a deal, and im not accusing Sunny of being malicious at all. Im just saying people are complaining for a reason. What if Sunny just decided to charge people $2 to just pocket the money? You guys would NOT be backing him at all. But if he says "i have permission from Wild Bills to charge for parking in exchange for private parking spaces patrolled by cops" then thats a TOTALLY different story.

In one instance, hes ripping people off, in the other he is providing a service.

I think people just want to know which is which thats all. Simple saying "its $2 quit bitching" is just people not understanding the root of the complaint in the first place.

[UpSideDownDesi]

Guys no matter what I say or try to explain will not turn your thinking around, and I am beyond a online piss fight. I have gone back & forth with mostly all of you with complaints at some point. You want to talk to me, come talk to me in person.

Thanks to all who came last night, one of the if not the best get together at Gwinnett Meet so far.


Unless Sunny comes in here and explains his side of the story with facts, I will give my opinion that this meet got ruined when it was decided to start charging $2. It reduced the quantity of cars and I payed admission to be there for only like 25 minutes since everyone got kicked out at 12.

Before $2 admission = lots of cars and stay as late you wanted
After $2 admission = less cars and get kicked out at 12 ................
Doesn't make sense to me. Please explain Sunny

Here's a reason for that and most of you might not know. Last meet before yesterdays almost had 3 fights, actually it wasn't even the 2 parties arguing rather the crowd who caused problems with instigating a fight, and cheering on. Came to a point where 1 of the guys had to pull a gun out to tell the crowd to go away. Gwinnett PD got called in by 3 people at the meet, Wild Bills instantly shut the meet down. Final warning was given by both Gwinnett PD & Wild Bills, 1 more act like that & property is off limits for the meet, for good. Reason we now have GPD hired for the meet, and other changes you have seen. I need to keep Wild Bills happy, crowd happy, and safe at the same time for the meet to exist. I have instructions I have to follow.

Timing was set before, see it in the thread, but not enforced. Strict instruction have been given now to clear the lot by 12am because of recent incidents. Also, Wild Bills doesn't want under 18 kids on their property after curfew time (liability), and if you want to hang out longer then you can come inside Wild Bills & chill there. I have worked it out where entry is FREE. There are cars outside (including people from meet) of people who are inside wild bills. They don't want people hovering around, and get any ideas (liability). Safety is their concern for property, and people there. Meet has a set time, after that people can come in, go home, or some where else. I hope that answers your question.

[David88vert]

The point IMO isnt about the 2$. The point is the reason behind charging the $2. When i show up to a "meet" i expect the money im being charged to represent something. Common sense questions are:

Who is charging me? - are they an employee of Wild Bills, a separate entity?
Why are they charging me? - Why am i being charged? what does it pay for? What service is being provided?
Is it worth it? - most car meets are FREE because, well, its people getting together to hang out. Varsity never charged, this meet used to be free......

Those are simple questions to answer. Its not that big of a deal, and im not accusing Sunny of being malicious at all. Im just saying people are complaining for a reason. What if Sunny just decided to charge people $2 to just pocket the money? You guys would NOT be backing him at all. But if he says "i have permission from Wild Bills to charge for parking in exchange for private parking spaces patrolled by cops" then thats a TOTALLY different story.

In one instance, hes ripping people off, in the other he is providing a service.

I think people just want to know which is which thats all. Simple saying "its $2 quit bitching" is just people not understanding the root of the complaint in the first place.

Simple answer - trash clean-up, and GCPD protection are now covered with that $2/spot, so it's services that you are paying for. What's so hard to understand?

As for "free" meets - there is no such thing. Someone always has to foot the bill. The "free" Varsity meet is dead now. C&O has funding from sponsors, and hires officers, and will whine down after next month from what I heard at the last show. What other regular free meets will anyone be able to attend?

[green91]

If there's value for the entry fee (aka police patrol, security etc.) then I have no issue paying. But if it's just for the exclusivity or to try and make some group seem more "elite" then I don't have any interest in going.

[Hermin]

If there's value for the entry fee (aka police patrol, security etc.) then I have no issue paying. But if it's just for the exclusivity or to try and make some group seem more "elite" then I don't have any interest in going.

A police officer is paid and was there last night in the parking lot doing his job..

[green91]

Then $2 for the meet last night seems like a good value.

[tnomud]

http://youtu.be/LdF_Vo4B6Ms

[UpSideDownDesi]

Someone here said something about my car. Just want to correct couple of facts. I did buy the car modded, but not as it sits. Bottom end, heads, transmission, turbo kit suspension, brakes, engine management, etc have all been upgraded by me. I don't know how folks manage to take talks from one topic to something totally unrelated. See y'all around. Thanks

[Echonova]

I want my two dollars! - YouTube (http://youtu.be/LdF_Vo4B6Ms)Best movie ever.

[Julio]

I love it.. I had beef with Sunny before and careless about what he does..However, wont hate him for making fools pay up.. Kudos for that.. For all you saying he's not making much.. Smell the coffee please.. Sunny is a business guy.. Even at $2 a car.. I bet the less he will make is $200 to 250 every Thursday, not bad for a couple of hours of work. Meets cost $$.. Either Sunny pays for it, or someone else does... Lose $$ today, but you will make it right back if you plan and act strategically.. Kudos for Sunny.. This reminds me when $1 porn started.. Made billions... Easy stradegy

[MachNU]

I love it.. I had beef with Sunny before and careless about what he does..However, wont hate him for making fools pay up.. Kudos for that.. For all you saying he's not making much.. Smell the coffee please.. Sunny is a business guy.. Even at $2 a car.. I bet the less he will make is $200 to 250 every Thursday, not bad for a couple of hours of work. Meets cost $$.. Either Sunny pays for it, or someone else does... Lose $$ today, but you will make it right back if you plan and act strategically.. Kudos for Sunny.. This reminds me when $1 porn started.. Made billions... Easy stradegy

Exactly what I have argued. Sunny does not put out his own money, its bullshit when he says it or too even think it. He is making his money back in one way or another and then some.

[CSquared]

I love it.. I had beef with Sunny before and careless about what he does..However, wont hate him for making fools pay up.. Kudos for that.. For all you saying he's not making much.. Smell the coffee please.. Sunny is a business guy.. Even at $2 a car.. I bet the less he will make is $200 to 250 every Thursday, not bad for a couple of hours of work. Meets cost $$.. Either Sunny pays for it, or someone else does... Lose $$ today, but you will make it right back if you plan and act strategically.. Kudos for Sunny.. This reminds me when $1 porn started.. Made billions... Easy stradegy

I am so glad you said this. Frankly, I don't care if he charged $20 for this meet, since I don't go anyway. I don't even necessarily care that his intention is to make money... He is entitled, considering the "wrench" time he probably put into the meet.

My biggest issue is false representation. When people call him out he plays Jesus Christ of the import scene. "No guys, I am sacrificing myself for the better of the import scene. It's not at all about turning a profit, I just truly want you all to have a place to hang out". Bull-shit. If you buy that for a second, I have a bridge to sell you. In the end, false representation is also why I called out the Gwinnett meet before it was paid, since he swore up and down that it wasn't ricey just like any other meet. Weeks later, he essentially says "it's now paid because it was ricey just like any other meet and I am trying to keep those folks out". Then of course the "exclusive" dawn runs.

Just to put it on public record, I sent this to someone in a PM:



How much you want to bet that $2 is just a "testing the waters" type deal? Once people get comfortable with that, it bumps up to like $5-$10.

I send you this because i just want to be able to say "holy shit i called it" if/when that happens.

Gotta cover increasing expenses... You know ;)

[nelson9995]

I say let the guy do what he does. Don't like it? Simple... Don't show up. If you are all complaining about him making a couple hundreds if anything, so be it. He is the one wasting his time setting something up that is worth going to for you guys. Instead of complaining about the $2... Why don't some of you hire police, have a dj, clean up, organize and take the responsibility for free? I bet none will do it. Whether he is making some money or not, he is doing something that none of you are doing while only charging you $2...

[Catnip]

Lol @ people mad at this. 1st world problems. $2 to go to a car meet, yolo, may as well. New low offets, gotta show off the swag.

[Julio]

I say let the guy do what he does. Don't like it? Simple... Don't show up. If you are all complaining about him making a couple hundreds if anything, so be it. He is the one wasting his time setting something up that is worth going to for you guys. Instead of complaining about the $2... Why don't some of you hire police, have a dj, clean up, organize and take the responsibility for free? I bet none will do it. Whether he is making some money or not, he is doing something that none of you are doing while only charging you $2...


Been there done that.. Made quite a few meetings where I made 0.. Zilch.... Nada.. However, had events where we made $$.. Most of our events we didnt make shit...just saying ;)

[Echonova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

[RL...]

1) I doubt sunny is making money, and even if he is, what is wrong with making money? Personally, I like to have as much of that stuff as possible. In fact, if I found a pile of it I'd keep it for myself.

2) You guys are blowing this out of proportion. It's hanging out in a parking lot, I mean, come on. You're getting this upset about the issue of hanging out in a parking lot? I wonder what you'll all do when you're confronted with a REAL problem.

3) Don't like this meet? Go and make one better, if you can, without charging. If you can't then STFU. That's really all there is to it. If you can't put together a better event then just stfu.

People think they have all the right answers, that they know everything and can do everything better themselves.

It's like I had a customer come in my store the other day acting like he knew everything. My boss next to me tells him this: "well since you know more than me why don't you come on this side of the counter(employees only), I'll stand where you are(customer side of the counter), and you can tell me how to do my job!?"

[thesammy]

I just don't see paying $2 to stand in a parking lot like much of a deal. Lol. I'll can meet with my friends where I want for free, so I'll do that.

[Hermin]

I just don't see paying $2 to stand in a parking lot like much of a deal. Lol. I'll can meet with my friends where I want for free, so I'll do that.

Then do that and shut the fuck up.

[MistaCee]

Agreed. Is just seems like a lot of people complaining just don't like him.

I respect him a lot for putting it together.

[quickdodge®]

You're getting this upset about the issue of hanging out in a parking lot?

EXACTLY!!!! Paying to hang out in a parking lot. I wouldn't do it, but I'm not going to knock anyone that does. It's their money.


Agreed. Is just seems like a lot of people complaining just don't like him.

I like the guy, myself. Just don't really care for his "business" ventures for the reasons I already mentioned.

[Sinfix_15]

Question of curiosity, what happens if you decide not to pay this entry fee?

[Kyle]

Agreed. Is just seems like a lot of people complaining just don't like him.

No problem with him.

I don't think there has been a single cogent argument/counter argument in this whole thread. It seems to be a bunch of people assuming the OP is has an issue with paying $2, which isn't the issue at all.

[CSquared]

No problem with him.

I don't think there has been a single cogent argument/counter argument in this whole thread. It seems to be a bunch of people assuming the OP is has an issue with paying $2, which isn't the issue at all.

Agreed. 99% of the counter arguments are "if you cant afford $2 or don't like it... dont go". But thats not at all the point of the callout.

[MachNU]

He still hasnt answered my question that if I show up next thursday I can spend $20 and buy 10 parking spots so that I can park my pretty much stock Silverado side ways. I hate door dings.

[UpSideDownDesi]

Question of curiosity, what happens if you decide not to pay this entry fee?

You can park across the street at the mall at your own risk of vehicle being towed. $2 per car will provide you a parking spot inside the meet.


He still hasnt answered my question that if I show up next thursday I can spend $20 and buy 10 parking spots so that I can park my pretty much stock Silverado side ways. I hate door dings.

2 parking spots per vehicle max can be paid for. I am sorry $20 won't buy you 10 spots. I have to accommodate as many car as I can comfortably in the parking lot. I rather put 10 cars in those spots for $20 than 1 car. Thanks

[Vteckidd]

who is collecting the $2 fee? that still has not been answered.

Is SUNNY deciding that or Wild Bills?

Not hating at all because i will NEVER go , but just curious which business entity is collecting the $$

[Sinfix_15]

You can park across the street at the mall at your own risk of vehicle being towed. $2 per car will provide you a parking spot inside the meet.


I'll make sure to tell the manager of Wild Bills that you told me to park across the street when i go inside or is regular business closed to accommodate this meet?, but to make my question more direct.....

under what authority will people be told where they can and cannot park?

[UpSideDownDesi]

Decided by Wild Bills, and collected by me to pay for Parking lot, rented from Wild Bills, cops hired from Gwinnett PD, and other expenses to clean the lot, buying more trash cans, and other things needed for the meet. Like it has been said over & over, but it's never about the $2.

So no one will have a problem if Wild Bills starts collecting this $2 & runs the meet the way they want it to?

I like how most of the people are asking "who's making money?", but not "who's picking up the expenses?"...SMH.

[Vteckidd]

Decided by Wild Bills, and collected by me to pay for Parking lot, rented from Wild Bills, cops hired from Gwinnett PD, and other expenses to clean the lot, buying more trash cans, and other things needed for the meet. Like it has been said over & over, but it's never about the $2.

So no one will have a problem if Wild Bills starts collecting this $2 & runs the meet the way they want it to?

I like how everyone is asking "who's making money?", but not "who's picking up the expenses?"...SMH.

then people get to decide whether they value your service or not. Obviously sounds like you are providing something most places (like the V) do not.

Surely if you had some random guy come up to you and ask you for $2 you would ask the same questions right?

Expenses should be minimal, as WIld Bills would clean the lot whether you were there or not. Right? Police are $20-30 an hour off duty or on duty, i doubt you cover enough to pay for them from the $2 fee, thats prob out of wild bills pocket correct?

[quickdodge®]

I like how everyone is asking

Everyone?

[UpSideDownDesi]

I'll make sure to tell the manager of Wild Bills that you told me to park across the street when i go inside or is regular business closed to accommodate this meet?, but to make my question more direct.....

under what authority will people be told where they can and cannot park?

You can not park at any private or business property if you aren't a customer. Wild Bills front lot is open to their customer on their regular business days & hours. Since the back lot is for the meet, regular customer are directed to front parking lot as asked by Wild Bills & Management. They & Gwinnett Meet requests that if you will be coming inside Wild Bills on Thursday Nights, please park your vehicles upfront because back lot is closed after the meet & isn't monitored. If you will be parking inside the Meet lot between the hours of 8pm-12am then there is a $2 Charge. If not in the back, as a paying customer of Wild Bills you are more than Welcome to park up front as I said earlier.

Hope that answered the question.

[WhiteAccord]

Decided by Wild Bills, and collected by me to pay for Parking lot, rented from Wild Bills, cops hired from Gwinnett PD, and other expenses to clean the lot, buying more trash cans, and other things needed for the meet. Like it has been said over & over, but it's never about the $2.

So no one will have a problem if Wild Bills starts collecting this $2 & runs the meet the way they want it to?

I like how everyone is asking "who's making money?", but not "who's picking up the expenses?"...SMH.

Wait so your saying because we are there, WB is charging us to cover expenses that already exist?

Do other people who are actually coming in to WB getting charged to?

If your "renting out the parking lot" are you paying for the expenses or is it WB?

[UpSideDownDesi]

Sorry, I will correct it with, "Most of the people"

[UpSideDownDesi]

Wait so your saying because we are there, WB is charging us to cover expenses that already exist?

Do other people who are actually coming in to WB getting charged to?

If your "renting out the parking lot" are you paying for the expenses or is it WB?

I am paying for the expenses.

[UpSideDownDesi]

then people get to decide whether they value your service or not. Obviously sounds like you are providing something most places (like the V) do not.

Surely if you had some random guy come up to you and ask you for $2 you would ask the same questions right?

Expenses should be minimal, as WIld Bills would clean the lot whether you were there or not. Right? Police are $20-30 an hour off duty or on duty, i doubt you cover enough to pay for them from the $2 fee, thats prob out of wild bills pocket correct?

Exactly, I can't force people to pay. I let them decide if they would like to a bit more organized and secure meet for $2. Plus benefit of going inside Wild Bills for Free as a perk of the Meet.

Wild Bills gives us a clean parking lot, and expects it in same condition next day. All the other expenses are out of my pocket including cops (Gwinnett PD is more than than $20-$30 per). As a example: Just like how you rent a empty house and have to vacate it same condition.

[Vteckidd]

Sounds totally plausible. Again, was never doubting anything, just clarification may help sell yourself better. Im biased like i said because im not into meets, but if you are offering a service, then people decide if it is worth it or not. Sounds like it is, and sanctioned by the host venue

[David88vert]

Wait so your saying because we are there, WB is charging us to cover expenses that already exist?

Do other people who are actually coming in to WB getting charged to?

If your "renting out the parking lot" are you paying for the expenses or is it WB?

You should stay at home, as you still don't get it.

Look at the lot before and after a meet - kids leave trash all over the place. That doesn't happen on other nights, just after the meet - hence, additional effort is needed to clean up the lot, which means someone has to do it. That someone has to be paid, unless you are going to volunteer your services for free.
WB does not have police coverage in the back lot the other nights, so additional costs. This isn;t somethign that WB is already paying for - it's additional cost caused by having a meet there.

"Other people" park in the front, go inside immediately, and spend on drinks. More than half of the people in the lot of the meet tend to bring their own drink, leave their trash on the ground, and go home without spending a cent inside. WB is a business, people should be grateful that they even allow people to meet there, as most businesses say no.

[MachNU]

2 parking spots per vehicle max can be paid for. I am sorry $20 won't buy you 10 spots. I have to accommodate as many car as I can comfortably in the parking lot. I rather put 10 cars in those spots for $20 than 1 car. Thanks

But your selling parking spots at $2 per. So, lets say next Thursday i show up and pay for myself and 9 other friends. I am entitled to 10 spots. Then what happens if those 9 do not show up? I can either park my truck side ways or you will leave 9 spots vacant, as they belong to be until 12am.

[thesammy]

Then do that and shut the fuck up.

That's what I said I would do, boss. Turning 16 in 3 weeks huh? Lol.

[DynamicSound]

Exactly, I can't force people to pay. I let them decide if they would like to a bit more organized and secure meet for $2. Plus benefit of going inside Wild Bills for Free as a perk of the Meet.

Wild Bills gives us a clean parking lot, and expects it in same condition next day. All the other expenses are out of my pocket including cops (Gwinnett PD is more than than $20-$30 per). As a example: Just like how you rent a empty house and have to vacate it same condition.

Personally, a $2 fee per spot is a small price to pay to go to a meet that will be much more organized, cleaner, and safer. The Varsity meet is a prime example of what can happen down the road...when it started as a VW/Audi meet years ago to the point of being closed due to problems. People that do enjoy going to these meets should be thankful that Wild Bill's allows the parking lot to be used. Since the previous two Thursdays meets started having issues, then some dynamics need to be changed to prevent future issues. If it continued then Wild Bill would not allow the meet to continue just like the V and BP meets. So if you don't like meets, don't go or comment on how a meet is being organized. If you can't afford $2 per week, then you have more things you should be focusing on then a meet. Plus, when I hired Gwinnett PD in the past, it was $45/hour per officer...so that adds up quickly when you have multiple officers.

On the flip side, we will be selling HID products at every meet at discounted prices. Need anything audio, video, alarms, tv brackets, etc we can bring it too and sell it at a discounted price. In addition, we are doing a weekly drawing for free and discounted products. All you need to do is put your name on the list at the DropGearz tent with David. The winner gets to choose his prize from several options...most of them being free. So you can pay $2 per spot, come buy discounted products and possibly when free products.

[Julio]

Why is Gwinnett so expensive for cops ? Dekalb is not that high.. Crazy.

[David88vert]

Why is Gwinnett so expensive for cops ? Dekalb is not that high.. Crazy.

DeKalb is $35/hr per officer if you are renting a DeKalb County facility, like the pool. Private event locations may have higher rates.

[DynamicSound]

Why is Gwinnett so expensive for cops ? Dekalb is not that high.. Crazy.

It is crazy considering they do not make that much hourly on the clock.

[Julio]

DeKalb is $35/hr per officer if you are renting a DeKalb County facility, like the pool. Private event locations may have higher rates.

Thats incorrect.. I know for a fact... Thats why it shocks me when I hear prices thrown around the net. I know people like to exagerate at times.

[MistaCee]

Why is everyone worried about whose pocket the $2 is going in? I think this is a great idea. Having the police present definitely made people more "civilized" anyone who thinks otherwise is trying to fool themselves. I didn't hear all this complaining about paying $5 for parking at the IA meet two years ago which had no vendors or anything at all for that matter.

[Catnip]

Half of the varshity parking had a fee. If you didn't pay your car got booted and it was what, $50?


Here's something to think about too. At least you ungrateful motherfuckers have meets and people willing to put together quality meets. Down here we may have an organized meet that about 10 cars attend every month. If there are no car meets for a few months, we may get a good turn out with around 30 cars. Getting kicked out from wherever we go is likely. Mainly because the turnouts aren't worth setting it up with a business. The alternative is the Zebulon Road meet every saturday night which includes a handful of beat ass civics and a few mustangs that think they are the shit.

[DynamicSound]

Why is everyone worried about whose pocket the $2 is going in? I think this is a great idea. Having the police present definitely made people more "civilized" anyone who thinks otherwise is trying to fool themselves. I didn't hear all this complaining about paying $5 for parking at the IA meet two years ago which had no vendors or anything at all for that matter.

x2, It doesn't matter if it is going in Sunny's pocket or Wild Bill's. Sunny goes through the trouble of getting it setup, getting the police, trash cleanup, vendors, drama, and any other time involved. Wild Bill's allows it to happen and risks getting sued if something goes down on their property or even bad publicity for them. Why does a person or business need to go broke to show that they are dedicated to the car scene? Majority of people would not do it otherwise everyone would be hosting free meets and paying out of pocket for all fees. Thanks to Sunny, Hasan (IA), Joseph (SF), No Love 4 Atlanta, and all the other groups and individuals that are going out of their way to bring the car community together.

[quickdodge®]

Lolol @ the Sunny Defenders. All folks wanted to know was what the deal was with it. Seems to me when the explanation was given, things kind of died down. Now the Defenders want to keep it going.

[Vteckidd]

Thats incorrect.. I know for a fact... Thats why it shocks me when I hear prices thrown around the net. I know people like to exagerate at times.
I paid $100. hour for 2 Paulding county sheriffs for Tunerfest out of my pocket.

I work with cops everyday , Gwinett is at most $30/hour off duty, non sheriffs

Regardless, i suspect Wild Bills hires the police presence, not Sunny. I suspect the $2 is a joint agreement between Sunny who promotes the event, and wild bills who owns the lot. THey probably split it or something.

LOL@$2 haters, i could buy the entire fucking parking lot and make you guys walk 1000 yards , 2$ was NEVER THE PROBLEM. Just clarification on who was charging and what it was for.

[UpSideDownDesi]

But your selling parking spots at $2 per. So, lets say next Thursday i show up and pay for myself and 9 other friends. I am entitled to 10 spots. Then what happens if those 9 do not show up? I can either park my truck side ways or you will leave 9 spots vacant, as they belong to be until 12am.

First, did your really dig up up 38 pages on google under my name, and looked up threads by me on multiple forums? Simply Speechless, but thanks for the time on your hand, I didn't even know myself.

Since you missed my point in my last post let me rephrase in deep details. No to Truck Side Ways & No to vacant spots. You pay for 10, they show up in reasonable time they get the spots, but after certain time those spots will be given to other people who actually do show up. You shouldn't be paying for people who you aren't sure if they are gonna come or not. I will cover every angle of this topic since I know you are & will keep on picking on it.
1. It is first come first serve.
2. You can pay for friends,but they have to get there in reasonable time or the empty spots get taken up. People who do show up > People who don't.
3. If you do pay for your friends. You will need to stand at entrance or keep on coming back with their parking ticket until all have come in. I don't know who your friends are, and only a parking ticket will get them in.
4. Paying for a spot doesn't mean you own it or bought it, you just reserved it. Just like any reservation, if a party doesn't show up on time...space is given to next party waiting. Re-entry is allowed, but don't expect same spot to be open for you when you are back or have space left. You are leaving at your own risk. Same applies to paying for friends. If your friends show up later then they can still park at spots available. If none are then it is not my fault because they didn't keep their side of bargain.
5. It's not about money, rather a properly organized meet, which it won't be if every other car is parked sideways holding spots from 8pm-12am.




I work with cops everyday , Gwinett is at most $30/hour off duty, non sheriffs

Regardless, i suspect Wild Bills hires the police presence, not Sunny. I suspect the $2 is a joint agreement between Sunny who promotes the event, and wild bills who owns the lot. THey probably split it or something.


Sorry Mike, but your facts aren't correct. To clear any doubts in the air, Wild Bills does not pay for any of the meet expenses. Saying it again, all meet expenses are paid out my pocket. This is as clear my answer going to get for everyone with doubts about who pays for what and what not. I don't have anymore explanation on that.

[MeFryRice]

What happened to meets where you didn't have to pay $2 for parking and this supposed security? If you need security at a meet then it's not something I want to be part of.

[MachNU]

First, did your really dig up up 38 pages on google under my name, and looked up threads by me on multiple forums? Simply Speechless, but thanks for the time on your hand, I didn't even know myself.

Sorry Mike, but your facts aren't correct. To clear any doubts in the air, Wild Bills does not pay for any of the meet expenses. Saying it again, all meet expenses are paid out my pocket. This is as clear my answer going to get for everyone with doubts about who pays for what and what not. I don't have anymore explanation on that.

Hey dumbass, I was not the only who googled your name. Second, so if they do not show up, will i get a refund? I mean you are collecting money, so I would assume your a business and have insurance for the lot. So if I was denied refund would I be able to find you on the BBB or even some site where I can write some sort of review about no refund? Also, since you control everything in the lot as you have said and you spend twice as much money as you bring in....if someone slips and falls at the "meet" and breaks a leg or something...do they sue you or Wild Bills? Simply just getting the information, as this whole who owns what thing is rather confusing. I simply find it hard to believe, as do a lot of people, that you are spending any more money than you make without some form of compensation from someone or Wild Bills.

[David88vert]

Thats incorrect.. I know for a fact... Thats why it shocks me when I hear prices thrown around the net. I know people like to exagerate at times.

You might want to tell that to DeKalb County then - they even publish it on their Parks and Recreation website. DeKalb County knows it for a fact, as do I - having lived in DeKalb for 20 years and dealt with it.
DeKalb County Parks & Recreation (http://www.co.dekalb.ga.us/parks/pr-pool-rentals.html)

[Nismo]

all y'all be trippin

[David88vert]

Hey dumbass, I was not the only who googled your name. Second, so if they do not show up, will i get a refund? I mean you are collecting money, so I would assume your a business and have insurance for the lot. So if I was denied refund would I be able to find you on the BBB or even some site where I can write some sort of review about no refund? Also, since you control everything in the lot as you have said and you spend twice as much money as you bring in....if someone slips and falls at the "meet" and breaks a leg or something...do they sue you or Wild Bills? Simply just getting the information, as this whole who owns what thing is rather confusing. I simply find it hard to believe, as do a lot of people, that you are spending any more money than you make without some form of compensation from someone or Wild Bills.

Have you ever been to the WCC, stadium, etc? Do you ask the same things about the parking lots there?

[MachNU]

Have you ever been to the WCC, stadium, etc? Do you ask the same things about the parking lots there?

No, no and no, because I do not plan to hang out in their parking lot. I am simply asking a question, nothing against being well informed.

[Echonova]

if someone slips and falls at the "meet" and breaks a leg or something...do they sue you or Wild Bills?This mentality is what's wrong with America...


A person slips and falls and the first thought is to sue. I'm all for everyone pointing and laughing at the clumsy guy as the paramedics take him away. After paying a healthy doctors bill, maybe then he'll learn to watch where he's walking.

[Scotsman]

I paid $100. hour for 2 Paulding county sheriffs for Tunerfest out of my pocket.

I work with cops everyday , Gwinett is at most $30/hour off duty, non sheriffs

Regardless, i suspect Wild Bills hires the police presence, not Sunny. I suspect the $2 is a joint agreement between Sunny who promotes the event, and wild bills who owns the lot. THey probably split it or something.

LOL@$2 haters, i could buy the entire fucking parking lot and make you guys walk 1000 yards , 2$ was NEVER THE PROBLEM. Just clarification on who was charging and what it was for.actually , i may have paid for that :doh:

[UpSideDownDesi]

Hey dumbass, I was not the only who googled your name. Second, so if they do not show up, will i get a refund? I mean you are collecting money, so I would assume your a business and have insurance for the lot. So if I was denied refund would I be able to find you on the BBB or even some site where I can write some sort of review about no refund? Also, sincerities you control everything in the lot as you have said and you spend twice as much money as you bring in....if someone slips and falls at the "meet" and breaks a leg or something...do they sue you or Wild Bills? Simply just getting the information, as this whole who owns what thing is rather confusing. I simply find it hard to believe, as do a lot of people, that you are spending any more money than you make without some form of compensation from someone or Wild Bills.

Like I said in my first post no matter what I say, it is not gonna turn some people around. You can come to the meet and find out first handed answers to your questions. Thanks for your cryin...time.

[UpSideDownDesi]

This mentality is what's wrong with America...


A person slips and falls and the first thought is to sue. I'm all for everyone pointing and laughing at the clumsy guy as the paramedics take him away. After paying a healthy doctors bill, maybe then he'll learn to watch where he's walking.

Sir 2 hands together for you, do come to the meet on Thursday so I can buy you a drink.....no homo.

[Sinfix_15]

actually , i may have paid for that :doh:

You suggest that you paid for it and follow that comment with a smiley that appears to be giving a blow job.....

is there something you want to tell us?

[Scotsman]

You suggest that you paid for it and follow that comment with a smiley that appears to be giving a blow job.....

is there something you want to tell us?haha , its the D'oh smiley

[SHHHH]

What happened to meets where you didn't have to pay $2 for parking and this supposed security? If you need security at a meet then it's not something I want to be part of.

:goodjob:

[MachNU]

Like I said in my first post no matter what I say, it is not gonna turn some people around. You can come to the meet and find out first handed answers to your questions. Thanks for your cryin...time.

Thanks for answering my question. I expected you to dance and dodge the question. Your answer tells me that you yourself do not have the answers and your probably making money off this meet and only care about your pockets. I was simply proving that you can give two shits about the meet and car scene, your a car salesmen and your doing just that, trying to sale something.

Wild Bills probably uses you to promote there Thirsty Thursday or what the fuck ever it is. They give you free reign on a section of the parking lot till a certain time. I know Thursday night clubbing goes on at that club long after 12, so they are trying to bring in additional revenue too there before 12 hours. They already have on duty cops for there events watching the doors, so bonus for you, they just pay the cops slightly more and now rather than the front house they cover, they also over see the parking lot.

My simple argument is the way you have and are selling your events and how you spout bullshit of helping the car scene. I would put money down that you have not spent any more money than you have made on these.

[MachNU]

This mentality is what's wrong with America...


A person slips and falls and the first thought is to sue. I'm all for everyone pointing and laughing at the clumsy guy as the paramedics take him away. After paying a healthy doctors bill, maybe then he'll learn to watch where he's walking.

Echo, you know what I meant by that line. I was not talking sue happy, but if someone slips and falls due to something negligent in the parking lot, would they be suing Sonny and his fake business or wild Bills since they own the parking lot.

[tnomud]

What happened to meets where you didn't have to pay $2 for parking and this supposed security? If you need security at a meet then it's not something I want to be part of.


http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/tnomud/d99a5fb0.jpg

[Julio]

You might want to tell that to DeKalb County then - they even publish it on their Parks and Recreation website. DeKalb County knows it for a fact, as do I - having lived in DeKalb for 20 years and dealt with it.
DeKalb County Parks & Recreation (http://www.co.dekalb.ga.us/parks/pr-pool-rentals.html)

I went back and read your message. I should've slowed down. Didn't pay attention at the recreational facility part ( dekalb property ). But since we are talking private property, thats what I was focused on. Currently I work with 8 officers, for private purposes through Dekalb County and the rate is not $35. Is less.

[Julio]

Echo, you know what I meant by that line. I was not talking sue happy, but if someone slips and falls due to something negligent in the parking lot, would they be suing Sonny and his fake business or wild Bills since they own the parking lot.


Since I never been to these meets, do people sign waivers ? If I was Sunny, I would have people sign waivers..

You can sue whoever you feel like ( Sunny or Wild Bills) it if you get hurt or something crazy happens... Not sure under what business entity this meet is under in which case it does not matter really. But lets say is just Sunny having a meet, and he doesn't own at least a LLC protecting him or his " company" you can come directly after Sunny and everything he owns.. If he has LLC, then you can't go directly to Sunny, it will have to be against his LLC/company. If I get hurt at this meet, I would go after Wild Bills since is a bigger entity... And Honestly, it sounds like the meet is not that organized, and when I say not organized, I mean I see many legal loop holes.. I'm not sure if Sunny owns a LLC.. Or something along those lines w/ this event. If he does, perfect, if not, I would highly reccomend he get one. To many liabilities when you have meets that big. Is pretty damn cheap to get a LLC. And very worth it.

[Vteckidd]

Sorry Mike, but your facts aren't correct. To clear any doubts in the air, Wild Bills does not pay for any of the meet expenses. Saying it again, all meet expenses are paid out my pocket. This is as clear my answer going to get for everyone with doubts about who pays for what and what not. I don't have anymore explanation on that.

Simple math tells me you arent footing the bill of $300-400 per week out of the "kindness" of your heart LOL $2 a car, youd have to have 300-400 cars show up to even break even on the police costs alone. Let alone trash pick up and such.

Theres something you arent telling because it doesnt add up.

Im not saying you are not justified, you can charge whatever you want, but :

If Wild Bills isnt making you charge any money
Youre deciding to charge on your own

Just sounds like you wanna make a buck under the guise of keeping the meet "ricer free". Hey, thats your right

[Julio]

Example :

If i go to this meet, park my car, walk around, come back and My car is stolen from this meet, I would probably have a case against Wild Bills and The company putting on the event..( sunny ).. Why you may ask ? Because according to Sunny, I paid $2 to get in. What does $2 covers? we dont know. Sunny says, clean up, security etc... Court would decide I guess.. But seems like a clean cut case.. My question is, is my $2 consider a donation ? Man, I hope Sunny has his basis covered.. Lol

[Vteckidd]

Example :

If i go to this meet, park my car, walk around, come back and My car is stolen from this meet, I would probably have a case against Wild Bills and The company putting on the event..( sunny ).. Why you may ask ? Because according to Sunny, I paid $2 to get in. What does $2 covers? we dont know. Sunny says, clean up, security etc... Court would decide I guess.. But seems like a clean cut case.. My question is, is my $2 consider a donation ? Man, I hope Sunny has his basis covered.. Lol

thats what everybody isnt getting. they all think people are bitching about the $2, not the fact that it appears to be some guy in a parking lot charging money for no real apparent reason.

People say "OH ITS FOR SECURITY"! then im like well, what kind of security? are the cops already there? IS he really paying for police protection? How long is my car covered? who is charging ?

It sounds like to me, Sunny got a lot of people to start showing up at the Wild Bills meet, and he decided to make some money doing it. If WIld Bills isnt making him charge anyone, then hes just pocketing the money.

It would be different if he said like "Wild Bills charges me $200 a night to use the parking lot, so i have ot charge $2 a car to make up for it" or something of that nature.

[Julio]

Simple math tells me you arent footing the bill of $300-400 per week out of the "kindness" of your heart LOL $2 a car, youd have to have 300-400 cars show up to even break even on the police costs alone. Let alone trash pick up and such.

Theres something you arent telling because it doesnt add up.

Im not saying you are not justified, you can charge whatever you want, but :

If Wild Bills isnt making you charge any money
Youre deciding to charge on your own

Just sounds like you wanna make a buck under the guise of keeping the meet "ricer free". Hey, thats your right


Let me tell you what I think :

Wild Bills already has security on their payroll.. Deal with Sunny,

WB : hey man, attract people to our venue, we will provide security ( already on payroll for that night ) and a location for the meet..we also have a clean up crew, no worries there.

Sunny : Sounds good WB. We will increase your sales by X%. You pay me nothing. I want my events to grow and this provides big weight on my resume.

WB: sounds like a plan. If meets get bigger, we can possibly even charge a small fee..

Sunny: even better, I cannot work for free for to long..

I may be way off... But just what I think..

[UpSideDownDesi]

Thanks for answering my question. I expected you to dance and dodge the question. Your answer tells me that you yourself do not have the answers and your probably making money off this meet and only care about your pockets. I was simply proving that you can give two shits about the meet and car scene, your a car salesmen and your doing just that, trying to sale something.

Wild Bills probably uses you to promote there Thirsty Thursday or what the fuck ever it is. They give you free reign on a section of the parking lot till a certain time. I know Thursday night clubbing goes on at that club long after 12, so they are trying to bring in additional revenue too there before 12 hours. They already have on duty cops for there events watching the doors, so bonus for you, they just pay the cops slightly more and now rather than the front house they cover, they also over see the parking lot.

My simple argument is the way you have and are selling your events and how you spout bullshit of helping the car scene. I would put money down that you have not spent any more money than you have made on these.

Man your thinking totally astounds me, for someone knowing nothing you talk a whole lot nonsense yet call me dumbass. You questions are never stay on one topic and bounce around to instigate some other topic. Best way to figure out will be on your own, like a wise man would.


They already have on duty cops for there events watching the doors, so bonus for you, they just pay the cops slightly more and now rather than the front house they cover, they also over see the parking lot.

Sorry I won't call you names doesn't make me any smarter than you or wiser by doing so, but just read what you just posted.
Since you lack some knowledge let me know shine some on you.
1. Wild Bills does not hire Gwinnett PD on Thursdays to watch over the doors any more. Don't believe me then come to Wild Bills next week, please go inside, then come outside and count how many officers you see. Knowing you would rather sit behind a screen instead of seeing yourself, fill up a computer screen than knowing your facts.
2. You can't pay any officer hired for one job more money to cover a different event. They will simply tell your to hire another officer. Hence the meet now has dedicated police officers through the meet timing.

Here's my Dance :bannana: & Dodge: :taun: so you don't say I am ignoring your topic.

BTW you coming this week?

[MachNU]

Let me tell you what I think :

Wild Bills already has security on their payroll.. Deal with Sunny,

WB : hey man, attract people to our venue, we will provide security ( already on payroll for that night ) and a location for the meet..we also have a clean up crew, no worries there.

Sunny : Sounds good WB. We will increase your sales by X%. You pay me nothing. I want my events to grow and this provides big weight on my resume.

WB: sounds like a plan. If meets get bigger, we can possibly even charge a small fee..

Sunny: even better, I cannot work for free for to long..

I may be way off... But just what I think..

This is exactly what I have been getting at. What adds more weight to be is just helping Wild Bills promote the before midnight crowd is where he has said multiple times that with the $2 fee, you get free VIP access into the club. This means a deal is worked with Wild Bills and even sounds like a promoter deal. I can imagine a lot of the people after the meet really ends, they go into the club hang out for a few hours and buy some beers.

[UpSideDownDesi]

Simple math tells me you arent footing the bill of $300-400 per week out of the "kindness" of your heart LOL $2 a car, youd have to have 300-400 cars show up to even break even on the police costs alone. Let alone trash pick up and such.


It would be different if he said like "Wild Bills charges me $200 a night to use the parking lot, so i have ot charge $2 a car to make up for it" or something of that nature.




Let me tell you what I think :

Wild Bills already has security on their payroll.. Deal with Sunny,

WB : hey man, attract people to our venue, we will provide security ( already on payroll for that night ) and a location for the meet..we also have a clean up crew, no worries there.

Sunny : Sounds good WB. We will increase your sales by X%. You pay me nothing. I want my events to grow and this provides big weight on my resume.

WB: sounds like a plan. If meets get bigger, we can possibly even charge a small fee..

Sunny: even better, I cannot work for free for to long..

I may be way off... But just what I think..

Mike & Julio, I know both you can't base this on thinking. Mike I don't foot $300 out of my pocket hence the $2 per car, and enough cars come to cover the cost. Mike didn't I already say multiple times the lot has to be rented from Wild Bills hence paying them to use the lot. I already laid the fact, all are welcome to come see how many Wild Bills Security guards you see walking around the meet, and who you see cleaning up. You may want witness this yourself before basing it on unclear facts. Just food for some of your thoughts.

[MachNU]

Man your thinking totally astounds me, for someone knowing nothing you talk a whole lot nonsense yet call me dumbass. You questions are never stay on one topic and bounce around to instigate some other topic. Best way to figure out will be on your own, like a wise man would.



Sorry I won't call you names doesn't make me any smarter than you or wiser by doing so, but just read what you just posted.
Since you lack some knowledge let me know shine some on you.
1. Wild Bills does not hire Gwinnett PD on Thursdays to watch over the doors any more. Don't believe me then come to Wild Bills next week, please go inside, then come outside and count how many officers you see. Knowing you would rather sit behind a screen instead of seeing yourself, fill up a computer screen than knowing your facts.
2. You can't pay any officer hired for one job more money to cover a different event. They will simply tell your to hire another officer. Hence the meet now has dedicated police officers through the meet timing.

Here's my Dance :bannana: & Dodge: :taun: so you don't say I am ignoring your topic.

BTW you coming this week?

Why would Wild Bills stop having a police presence? Whos going to arrest people who starts fights in the club, whos going to deal with the kids with fake IDs or get beers inside the club with fake IDs? The bouncers can only put hands on the people until they exit the building. There are always officers there waiting outside in case something happens.

Why cant you answer a simple question, are you a business covering this meet? Do you have insurance for the parking lot? What exactly does the money pay for? You are dodging all the questions that myself, Mike and Julio keep asking. Its because you do not want it out that you are simply making money off an event. Props to you for doing it. But selling it as "I am trying to help the scene!" is complete bullshit.

Also, no i do not plan on going. I only go too private events or meets like C&O where its older people, very high class cars and a generally fun meet. If I wanted too see a lot of the same type of cars, I would just go walk through a Wal-Mart parking lot at night or go to the Barrett Parkway meet.

[MachNU]

Mike & Julio, I know both you can't base this on thinking. Mike I don't foot $300 out of my pocket $2 covers it. I already laid the fact, all are welcome to come see how many Wild Bills Security guards you see walking around the meet, and who you see cleaning up. You may want witness this yourself before basing it.

Wait, now its Wild Bills Security, what happen to being police officers?

Also Sonny, how much do you charge the vendors that come up there?

[UpSideDownDesi]

I can imagine a lot of the people after the meet really ends, they go into the club hang out for a few hours and buy some beers.

And he does it again :lmfao:. When was the last time you were inside wild bills to witness the "lots of people"?

Guys I know y'all are grown folks, and you are welcome to criticize something, but without doing it yourself then it just seems whole lot of talk in the air.

[UpSideDownDesi]

Wait, now its Wild Bills Security, what happen to being police officers?

Also Sonny, how much do you charge the vendors that come up there?

Come to the meet is going to be my answer for your questions now.

[Vteckidd]

Mike & Julio, I know both you can't base this on thinking. Mike I don't foot $300 out of my pocket hence the $2 per car, and enough cars come to cover the cost. I already laid the fact, all are welcome to come see how many Wild Bills Security guards you see walking around the meet, and who you see cleaning up. You may want witness this yourself before basing it on unclear facts. Just food for some of your thoughts.

Like I said math doesn't add up. I don't care enough to argue just pointing out some inconsistencies that's all.

Ill never go so it doesn't bother me one way or the other

[UpSideDownDesi]

Like I said math doesn't add up. I don't care enough to argue just pointing out some inconsistencies that's all.

Ill never go so it doesn't bother me one way or the other

Well great, lets rest the case here then.

[MachNU]

And he does it again :lmfao:. When was the last time you were inside wild bills to witness the "lots of people"?

Guys I know y'all are grown folks, and you are welcome to criticize something, but without doing it yourself then it just seems whole lot of talk in the air.

It was years back that I went to the club, but judging from a few of the bartenders I still know there that bar tend on Thursday nights, when i see them post up pictures on facebook there are a lot of people there. If there was not, then I am thinking wild bills would hire a promoter or not open on Thursday nights.


Come to the meet is going to be my answer for your questions now.

Alright Obama. No sense in actually answering questions. If you were truthful about all this you would post up the truthful answers. Instead you ignore them or dodge the question. I wont come to that meet, its a waste of my time and gas. Now if cars like this start showing up, I might come or hell might even sponsor. As this was from an very small meet I was invited to Saturday.

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[Echonova]

Sir 2 hands together for you, do come to the meet on Thursday so I can buy you a drink.....no homo.I believe work is going to keep me in town this week, so as long as no emergency comes up, I will take you up on your offer.

SoCo, on the rocks.





I'm not fancy.

[UpSideDownDesi]

I believe work is going to keep me in town this week, so as long as no emergency comes up, I will take you up on your offer.

SoCo, on the rocks.

I'm not fancy.

:cheers:

[quickdodge®]

ALL IN FAVOR OF LOCKING SAY AYE!!!

[Scotsman]

AYE

[Scotsman]

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[MachNU]

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Go fuck yourself aye!

Now respond on FB!

[Scotsman]

Go fuck yourself aye!

Now respond on FB!i did thrice

[Echonova]

i did thricehttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/justin012985/Hilarious%20Pics/3times7rc.jpg

[Got Milk?]

I don't know sunny on his personal level, but I've met him several times before and kicked back at some good old riverside meets (before rednecks ruined that meet). I know sunny is ALWAYS after that dollar, he is out there hustling, over the net... no matter the place he will try to sell something or offer a service to earn some money, and to that, I tip my hat to that man for earning money any way possible, and I have yet to see or hear anyone complain about him selling something rotten, or steal. It's people like sunny that this world needs more of, people who get off their butt and hustle, and on top of that he does it the legit way. So why hate, or make a topic about this man to try and diss him? Because you're some old fart that has nothing better to do? Go spend some time with your family or something.



Edit:

After reading the thread, I see what people are angry about.

Let me break this down, please correct me if I'm incorrect.



Sunny, the guy who is always out to start meets after the last one gets shot, is providing these services for just two dollars:


1. Police Patrol/Control
2. Parking Lot for roughly 300 cars? (Sorry, I've never been at this meet, my priorities have changed)
3. A club, right in front of you, which is free of entrance? (correct me if I'm wrong)
4. He is responsible for providing a cleaning crew/man/women after everyone leaves. (correct me if I'm wrong)
5. And all this on his personal time.
6. He makes few bucks, by providing such a great service for only, what... 2 bucks?



Man Sunny, I wish that you've had this bright idea back in the good old days for riverside meets. I would have payed you double for half of those services.

[Hermin]

Hmm.. ran across this while looking at some cars for sale...Anyone else realize that theres 3 ads for the same EXACT car, different price, different amount of miles... who is the seller? lol

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[UpSideDownDesi]

Hmm.. ran across this while looking at some cars for sale...Anyone else realize that theres 3 ads for the same EXACT car, different price, different amount of miles... who is the seller? lol

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1. Civic with 129k miles for $3899, still available for sale.
2. Civic with 196k Miles for $2999, sold.
3 Civic listed for $6500 isn't mine, person copied my pictures. Check the phone number on adds or better call them.
4. The Civics is own are identical in Year & color, but one is lowered, and one isn't. Look closely.

I am the seller for both $2999 and $3899. Hope that cleared your confusion Nermin.

[Hermin]

1. Civic with 129k miles for $3899, still available for sale.
2. Civic with 196k Miles for $2999, sold.
3 Civic listed for $6500 isn't mine, person copied my pictures. Check the phone number on adds or better call them.
4. The Civics is own are identical in Year & color, but one is lowered, and one isn't. Look closely.

I am the seller for both $2999 and $3899. Hope that cleared your confusion Nermin.



the one for $3899 w/ 129k matches the one for $2999 w/ 190k ... same exact interior pics , same rip in the seat with the same shift knob .... why/how is that? same numbers.. different price.. different mileage. SAME CAR.

idc honestly. just shady as hell. I even thought about buying a car from you man

[Kyle]

Threadjack: Holy hell who thinks their 160k mile Civic is worth $7k?

(I know its not you Sunny)

[UpSideDownDesi]

Here's the one for $6500, now dropped to $5500 by the owner.
Link: 1999 Honda Civic Almost new, great MPG (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/3260050592.html)


the one for $3899 w/ 129k matches the one for $2999 w/ 190k ... same exact interior pics , same rip in the seat with the same shift knob .... why/how is that? same numbers.. different price.. different mileage. SAME CAR.

idc honestly. just shady as hell. I even thought about buying a car from you man

Nermin I will give you the car for FREE if you can validate that. You are comparing interior picture why are you failing to compare the exterior? They both have same interior color so yea I used same pictures because I do own the both cars, and people who came to view the vehicles saw both side by side.

129k One still for sale with perfect interior, and no rips.

Here Feel special now, and prove "SAME CAR": I man up for my business, and correct people when needed. Know your facts before you call me Shady.

[Hermin]

Two VERY identical cars for sale, same seller, same pictures, different miles, different price. seems shady.


however you did prove yourself.

[UpSideDownDesi]

Two VERY identical cars for sale, same seller, same pictures, different miles, different price. seems shady.


however you did prove yourself.

I know you flip cars as well privately by trading them without a dealer license. When you do them at retail prospective, you might understand how it pays off to have Identical cars available for sale at difference price level, it's not shady. It's a promising sale because if buyer lowball on higher price car, you introduce the higher mileage lower priced car that fits his/her budget. End of the day you will sell one of them. Why do you think I have so many civics available right now & two identical Lexus RX300's & Two almost Identical RSX, and few other same Make/Model/Option cars?

Thanks I had to because no Shady business here.

[Hermin]

I know you flip cars as well privately by trading them without a dealer license. When you do them at retail prospective, you might understand how it pays off to have Identical cars available for sale at difference price level, it's not shady. It's a promising sale because if buyer lowball on higher price car, you introduce the higher mileage lower priced car that fits his/her budget. End of the day you will sell one of them. Why do you think I have so many civics available right now & two identical Lexus RX300's & Two almost Identical RSX, and few other same Make/Model/Option cars?

Thanks I had to because no Shady business here.


like I said, my bad. you proved yourself lol. SEEMED shady. you would of thought the same thing.

well played sir

[Kyle]

Here's the one for $6500, now dropped to $5500 by the owner.
Here Feel special now, and prove "SAME CAR": I man up for my business, and correct people when needed. Know your fact before you call me Shady.
Who cares about that, no need to address that character attack.

To be honest...When your name is only tied to paid meets it certainly brings into question if there is a "legitimate" need for a fee. You must understand why your motives are suspect, right?

If you are simply a club promoter working in the car scene, say so, I'm sure there's room for that (just don't make yourself out as Mother Theresa when you aren't). If you want to carve out a niche for more interesting/better car shows that are paid, that's fine, I'm all for you making money. The issue herein is that you are providing something we've gotten for free for years but attaching a price to it and as a consumer I see ZERO value added; as such, I'm extremely reluctant to support you. Will some people embrace $2 meets without seeing anything extra? Sure, as evidenced by this thread there are tons of people that will say "It's only $2 you cheap shits" and completely gloss over principle, which is something I believe you counted on. Additionally, Dawn runs you charge $35, which I emailed you asking what the entry fee is fore you never responded. A group of Lotus/Ferrari/etc. guys I know goes on such runs monthly and never once has the organizer requested a fee, so once again where is the value added?

If everyone wants to continue to say let him make money, that's fine, you can give him your money. I'm just saying when the kid is throwing events people have been putting on for ages and providing no unique services, why do you want to pay him for it? Because it's only $2?

As soon as I see value added I'm all over paying for a car meet, I have zero problem with you/that concept but until that point you just come off as a shyster.

[UpSideDownDesi]

I see what you are saying Klye and will be more than happy to do my best to explain.

No I am not a Club Promoter, and hate being one or doing so. I have been there, done that, and moved on. Reason, I tell people to go in Wild Bills is out of respect that they are hosting the meet, and I will try to get people in. Any club would ask me to try to bring people in if about 2000 are showing up on their door steps on a night they are open on. I do not take anything from them for the people I bring in. I do this as a perk to meet attendees as well, if they choose to go in, which is free. I am providing something that I myself provided free for years for the same meet so I see where people can go, "why the charge now, when it was free for years?". This meet has been shut down at numerous locations before and moved over & over, and now again it was at the verge of shutdown 2 weeks ago unless a change happens. Now for added value of $2 we bought more stuff like trash cans, parking cones, hired police officers, cleaning the lot after the meet, and over all a very laid back meet compared to what it has been for Free for past years. For Free it was a meet where at times fights broke out, acts of immaturity where displayed. The principal people speak of was sleeping within them since no one ever lent a helping had to either clean up, stop a fight or tell people to stop doing burn out, which was destroying the meet, but now when there is a $2 charge. Everyone is throwing Principle at me. Can you name a one monthly or weekly import meet in past few years that stayed incident free continuously? Now for $2 this will continuously stay drama free, where people attending will have same place to return to next week, and not worry about being kicked out, moving out of a way of a speeding car or be worried if a brawl or is about to happen or not. People can choose to go to a parking lot for free, and keep on getting kicked out like they have been for ages or come to a Meet which is permitted by host & secured by local enforcement that includes activities, vendors, free giveaways, and more at times. A prime example of more activities at the meet is our next NOPI Kick off Meet. Link below.

The Dawn Run has a cost of $35 which goes toward the time & money I spend on the event as in hard cost of resources from insurance to cost of gas lapping the route twice so next day drivers have most up to date info on road conditions (pot holes, metal plates on road, construction zone) & best route possible and down to cost of material used, including snacks for all that morning. Did try a run without any of the above or pre-planning, was a complete disaster with people getting lost to hours of waiting. So for $35 if I can cover my cost then I will. If I come up few bucks extra, then maybe I earned it.

[tnomud]

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[ruah_23]

Let me tell you what I think :

Wild Bills already has security on their payroll.. Deal with Sunny,

WB : hey man, attract people to our venue, we will provide security ( already on payroll for that night ) and a location for the meet..we also have a clean up crew, no worries there.

Sunny : Sounds good WB. We will increase your sales by X%. You pay me nothing. I want my events to grow and this provides big weight on my resume.

WB: sounds like a plan. If meets get bigger, we can possibly even charge a small fee..

Sunny: even better, I cannot work for free for to long..

I may be way off... But just what I think..

GPD is hired by wildbills. I used to work at sta 5 and responded to calls at WB all the time. Theeres at least a minimum of 3 cops in there and it will get more if we have an assault call or some sort. I wouldnt blame them sice its the ghetto hill.

GPD has been hired by wb as long as i work there...4 +years.

[Elbow]

I don't see the point here, if Sunny can make money off of meets, why do people care? If he's using the money to help the meet whether it be safety or to provide a better meet, even better. If you don't like it, don't go, clearly he's doing something right though and has for quite some time. If you all don't like his events, don't go.

I don't go to meets anymore aside from our small Athens meets but I would never have an issue paying someone $2.00 (TWO DOLLARS!) for a meet at a venue like this, I haven't been, but have heard good things about it, and from his replies here I see nothing wrong with any of it.

I use to pay to park back when I went to Varsity meets...what's the difference?

[Vteckidd]

I don't see the point here, if Sunny can make money off of meets, why do people care? If he's using the money to help the meet whether it be safety or to provide a better meet, even better. If you don't like it, don't go, clearly he's doing something right though and has for quite some time. If you all don't like his events, don't go.

I don't go to meets anymore aside from our small Athens meets but I would never have an issue paying someone $2.00 (TWO DOLLARS!) for a meet at a venue like this, I haven't been, but have heard good things about it, and from his replies here I see nothing wrong with any of it.

I use to pay to park back when I went to Varsity meets...what's the difference?

you know im starting to wonder if people just dont have comprehension skills anymore.................

ITS NOT ABOUT THE $2, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH $2, PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY PAY MORE.

The issue was ARE YOU PAYING $2 for something that is already provided , to someone you dont even know. So some random guy (sunny) who throws a "meet" just decided to start magically charging $2 a car and you guys are like "OMG BEST VALUE EVER". All people were asking was

WHY AM I PAYING $2
WHO AM I PAYING THE MONEY TO
WHO IS COLLECTING IT
WHAT DO I GET FOR MY MONEY

Sunny has answered all those questions, but people have a right to ask what they are paying for.

Quit being sheep, jesus. So youre telling me if you parked at the same lot every week and then one week a guy walks up to you and starts asking you to pay $2 you would just fork it over? you wouldnt ask any questions??

[roxie911]

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...and that's all I have to contribute here.

[David88vert]

Let me give some of ou some history and insight on meets in Atlanta. I have being going to meets since back in the '80's when we had the KMart meets at the one on Canton Hwy (long before the ones at the Big Chicken) - I'm talking about all the way back in the mini-truck era. I have watched all of the meets come and go, the KMart Big Chicken, Dilly-Dallys, etc, for about 25 years. They all were free, and they all ended due to immaturity.
Ask yourself - do you want to continue to try to do the same failed process over and over again, or do you want to try to have a meet that lasts?

I find it interesting that the people that keep being upset about $2 are the one who admit that they don't go in the first place, and had no plans to go. I don't see anyone post that they have gone every week, but now won't because of the $2.

[Doppelgänger]

You forgot about the Syms meets...

[tnomud]

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you know im starting to wonder if people just dont have comprehension skills anymore.................

ITS NOT ABOUT THE $2, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH $2, PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY PAY MORE.

The issue was ARE YOU PAYING $2 for something that is already provided , to someone you dont even know. So some random guy (sunny) who throws a "meet" just decided to start magically charging $2 a car and you guys are like "OMG BEST VALUE EVER". All people were asking was

WHY AM I PAYING $2
WHO AM I PAYING THE MONEY TO
WHO IS COLLECTING IT
WHAT DO I GET FOR MY MONEY

Sunny has answered all those questions, but people have a right to ask what they are paying for.

Quit being sheep, jesus. So youre telling me if you parked at the same lot every week and then one week a guy walks up to you and starts asking you to pay $2 you would just fork it over? you wouldnt ask any questions??




DING DING DING!!!!! Then you see that on dozens upon dozens of car forums for years that he has done nothing but shakedowns and informercial type hype. Personally, money is not an issue. I went to the meet twice just for shits and giggles (on my way home from the office). As for safety, I am a competitive handgun and sniper shooter, usually carrying 2-3 weapons. No cop is going to be able to stop a violation of my safety, faster than I can.

I simply get tired of seeing the hundreds of bullshit posts of bullshit cruises, on every automotive forum in the area.

[Vteckidd]

Hey guys I'm gonna start charging $2 per post in this thread. I have to cover my expenses.

[Doppelgänger]

I don't think I'll be going to WBs anytime soon. It's not the amount that bothers me, it's the principal. I don't feel the need to pay for a "meet". A show is one thing because the venue space is usually rented and there are other costs for a "show". But the point of a meet is to be able to show up, park and hang out. The point where a tax is enforced is where the ability to freely meet ends. Just as everyone with forethought and common sense, I get irritated with the retards, morons, shitheads, kids, dipshits, and fucksticks that ruin meets with burnouts, racing, littering, fights, blasting radios and everything else that disrupts the ebb and flow of just hanging out. It would be nice to simply eject those who cause the disturbance...and for people to have balls to back up such decisions. But since most "meets" are on property in which the owner is not present or enforcing this, no one can truely enforce such policies. I'd be all about a meet where this was the norm, but I just don't see that happening anywhere because you will always get the disrespecful dipshits who know they can't be forced to follow simple guidelines. I also don't care for the "vendor" shit that is popping up at such meets (C&O being one). I'm going to a meet to hang out, I'm not going to a convention. I can't really put my finger on it, but it urks me to sell/have vendor space at what is supposed to just be a meet. For example, I know in the park up the street from me, a bunch of people meet every morning to train/run/workout....wouldn't it be funny if I show up peddling wears to them when they are just there to share a time of freely doing what their common interest consists of? These people go to organized events I'm sure, and at those events, there are vendors selling products that are beneficial to them...at organized events. WBs surely did not start off as an event, it started as a meet and should stay a meet.

But just as the cycle marches on, the WBs thing will die off and people will start congregating somewhere else. There is no stopping that cycle. I feel the main reason The V went on so long is becuase it was a tradition (of sorts) among many other groups for decades. Other groups who were much more respectful of the V and its property.

[Sinfix_15]

At any of the $2 meets at wild bills i will be offering to spray plastidip on people's wheels for $199.

[fatty]

At any of the $2 meets at wild bills i will be offering to spray plastidip on people's wheels for $199.
seems like a bad idea

[Skorcher]

I don't think I'll be going to WBs anytime soon. It's not the amount that bothers me, it's the principal. I don't feel the need to pay for a "meet". A show is one thing because the venue space is usually rented and there are other costs for a "show". But the point of a meet is to be able to show up, park and hang out. The point where a tax is enforced is where the ability to freely meet ends. Just as everyone with forethought and common sense, I get irritated with the retards, morons, shitheads, kids, dipshits, and fucksticks that ruin meets with burnouts, racing, littering, fights, blasting radios and everything else that disrupts the ebb and flow of just hanging out. It would be nice to simply eject those who cause the disturbance...and for people to have balls to back up such decisions. But since most "meets" are on property in which the owner is not present or enforcing this, no one can truely enforce such policies. I'd be all about a meet where this was the norm, but I just don't see that happening anywhere because you will always get the disrespecful dipshits who know they can't be forced to follow simple guidelines. I also don't care for the "vendor" shit that is popping up at such meets (C&O being one). I'm going to a meet to hang out, I'm not going to a convention. I can't really put my finger on it, but it urks me to sell/have vendor space at what is supposed to just be a meet. For example, I know in the park up the street from me, a bunch of people meet every morning to train/run/workout....wouldn't it be funny if I show up peddling wears to them when they are just there to share a time of freely doing what their common interest consists of? These people go to organized events I'm sure, and at those events, there are vendors selling products that are beneficial to them...at organized events. WBs surely did not start off as an event, it started as a meet and should stay a meet.

But just as the cycle marches on, the WBs thing will die off and people will start congregating somewhere else. There is no stopping that cycle. I feel the main reason The V went on so long is becuase it was a tradition (of sorts) among many other groups for decades. Other groups who were much more respectful of the V and its property.

Really? What kind of "wears"? :taun:

[Sinfix_15]

seems like a bad idea

Sounds like a fantastic bargain to me!!!! for the price of $201, you can gain access to an exclusive meet and leave out with your wheels looking fresh and new! Call in the next 5 minutes and you'll also receive a slightly used box of Topps baseball cards!!!! just pay handling charge! wow what a deal!

[Doppelgänger]

Really? What kind of "wears"? :taun:

I can delete you.

[MachNU]

You forgot about the Syms meets...

Gwinnett Park'n'Ride...the good ole days.


I don't think I'll be going to WBs anytime soon. It's not the amount that bothers me, it's the principal. I don't feel the need to pay for a "meet". A show is one thing because the venue space is usually rented and there are other costs for a "show". But the point of a meet is to be able to show up, park and hang out. The point where a tax is enforced is where the ability to freely meet ends. Just as everyone with forethought and common sense, I get irritated with the retards, morons, shitheads, kids, dipshits, and fucksticks that ruin meets with burnouts, racing, littering, fights, blasting radios and everything else that disrupts the ebb and flow of just hanging out. It would be nice to simply eject those who cause the disturbance...and for people to have balls to back up such decisions. But since most "meets" are on property in which the owner is not present or enforcing this, no one can truely enforce such policies. I'd be all about a meet where this was the norm, but I just don't see that happening anywhere because you will always get the disrespecful dipshits who know they can't be forced to follow simple guidelines. I also don't care for the "vendor" shit that is popping up at such meets (C&O being one). I'm going to a meet to hang out, I'm not going to a convention. I can't really put my finger on it, but it urks me to sell/have vendor space at what is supposed to just be a meet. For example, I know in the park up the street from me, a bunch of people meet every morning to train/run/workout....wouldn't it be funny if I show up peddling wears to them when they are just there to share a time of freely doing what their common interest consists of? These people go to organized events I'm sure, and at those events, there are vendors selling products that are beneficial to them...at organized events. WBs surely did not start off as an event, it started as a meet and should stay a meet.

But just as the cycle marches on, the WBs thing will die off and people will start congregating somewhere else. There is no stopping that cycle. I feel the main reason The V went on so long is becuase it was a tradition (of sorts) among many other groups for decades. Other groups who were much more respectful of the V and its property.

Hey now! Lets leave C&O and its vendors out this! :cry:

[Doppelgänger]

I know you are a vendor there, but in the end, it's a meet and I can't say I personally agree with the vendor situation there. C&O is about as much of a mess as this thread and needs serious organization. I go to meets to hang out freely...not to have advertising and flyers dropped in my car. I know that is how it used to be and how it started.

SYMS was long before PnR and is something David will know (hell, David and I are about the only ones around here that would know the SYMS meets)....and before PnR was ToysRUs and UAB....and NOPI Snellville...

[tnomud]

Hey guys I'm gonna start charging $2 per post in this thread. I have to cover my expenses.

and I am going to tax you $1 since I jumped on the grenade. But, you will be exclusive and be able to touch my hand when you give it to me. If it's raining at the transaction, I will let you sit in my BMW and take an exclusive photo.

[tnomud]

anyone interested in Shamwow? I have a lead on someone on the inside.

[Echonova]

I'm not interested in Shamwow, but if you could get me a hook-up on the Slap Chop I would be forever indebted to you.

[Echonova]

"You're gonna love my nuts"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWI77Tln5SE

[MachNU]

"You're gonna love my nuts"]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV6puTS14Ho

[Elbow]

"You're gonna love my nuts"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWI77Tln5SE

I'd totally use that. lol

[Doppelgänger]

successful derailment!!

[D3UC3S]

You can get them at CVS now...

No S&H either.

[CSquared]

Isn't that dude dead? Or am i thinking someone else.

[D3UC3S]

Billy mays OD'd on coke or something like that.

[quickdodge®]

(hell, David and I are about the only ones around here that would know the SYMS meets)...

Hmmmm.

[RandomGuy]

Ok let it die, closed.

[Echonova]

It has sprung up elsewhere...

is wild bills really charging.2 bucks for parking? (http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?78512-is-wild-bills-really-charging-2-bucks-for-parking)

[Catnip]

It has sprung up elsewhere...

is wild bills really charging.2 bucks for parking? (http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?78512-is-wild-bills-really-charging-2-bucks-for-parking)

Really? That'd be ridiculous. I would just park across the ways, at the mall.