Interesting Political Cartoon

[RandomGuy]

pretty insightful IMO

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5-jK8CI0zfw/UAeKf71Yg2I/AAAAAAAAQLk/41ZqZcASckQ/s1600/By-Yourself-590.jpg

[BanginJimmy]

Its actually a pretty powerful cartoon. It is what a lot of people feel about Obama's statement. I have a feeling that statement will carry weight all the way through to the election.

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It is what a lot of people feel about Obama's statement. I have a feeling that statement will carry weight all the way through to the election.And that's actually really really sad, even though his statement was 100%, the right has spun a slight grammatical error into ammunition against him which may ultimately mean his demise. Not because his policies are worse, not because he's a bad person.

[BanginJimmy]

And that's actually really really sad, even though his statement was 100%, the right has spun a slight grammatical error into ammunition against him which may ultimately mean his demise. Not because his policies are worse, not because he's a bad person.


Where was he right? Unless you are trying to spew that moronic banter that he really meant roads and bridges. His only error was in telling what he really believed, no one can accomplish anything without govt.

Obama's policies ARE worse. I dont think he is a bad person, just a socialist.

[WhiteAccord]

The cartoon is spot on...

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Where was he right?He was right in that anyone who thinks they built an entire business with zero help from anyone, government or otherwise, is selfish and delusional.

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The cartoon is spot on...
With the exception of all of it. The quote in the cartoon isn't even what he said! Lol.

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It's funny, I don't see the big guy carrying the bucket labeled "EDUCATION" and "NETWORKING", or the ball and chain labeled "INFRASTRUCTURE".

[BanginJimmy]

With the exception of all of it. The quote in the cartoon isn't even what he said! Lol.

But what the cartoonist meant was "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"

[nelson9995]

Few Things I noticed:

The word "conservative" on the top left corner;
Obama is drawn with huge ears... Trying to make him look monkey-ish.

Do we see something?

[BanginJimmy]

He was right in that anyone who thinks they built an entire business with zero help from anyone, government or otherwise, is selfish and delusional.

Obama didnt say you didnt get there without help. He said someone else did it for you.

"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"

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But what the cartoonist meant was...LOL. You see what I mean now?

[BanginJimmy]

It's funny, I don't see the big guy carrying the bucket labeled "EDUCATION" and "NETWORKING", or the ball and chain labeled "INFRASTRUCTURE".

Keep trying. No matter how ahrd you try, you cannot change your messiah's words.

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Obama didnt say you didnt get there without help. He said someone else did it for you.

"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"
Edit: wrong video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[BanginJimmy]

LOL. You see what I mean now?

If liberals can do it to change meaning, so can I. I didnt even have to change the meaning, just getting the exact quote.

[BanginJimmy]

Obama 7.13.2012: If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ZO7XOpwa8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

He was for the first 19 seconds. Someone always has help along the way. Do you really think the construction worker that built the office you are in built your business? No he built the building. How about the guy that put the phone line in? Nope, just another guy. The teacher you had in HS 10 years ago? Nope, you havent seen them since HS. The accountant that balances your books? Nah, he just made sure you paid the taxes and paid the bills.

Please tell me how ANY of these people built the business.

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Keep trying. No matter how ahrd you try, you cannot change your messiah's words.

Lol. I'm not trying to change anything. I, as a rational, critically thinking, and intellectual human being can infer what he means based on syntax and context clues.

If this is all the right has to attack Obama for, Romney better go ahead and throw in the towel.

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Please tell me how ANY of these people built the business.We have millions of dollars in printing equipment someone else manufactured, our owner cut a check for it. If someone hadn't manufactured our printing equipment, we would not be in business right now. If someone would have not taught him the ins and outs of the printing business, we would not be in business right now.

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I'm actually glad he said what he said. He helped expose the true selfish "I did it all myself, fuck you" attitude of the far right.

[BanginJimmy]

We have millions of dollars in printing equipment someone else manufactured, our owner cut a check for it. If someone hadn't manufactured our printing equipment, we would not be in business right now. If someone would have not taught him the ins and outs of the printing business, we would not be in business right now.


The manufacturer didnt help your boss build the business. He sold them a product.




I'm actually glad he said what he said. He helped expose the true selfish "I did it all myself, fuck you" attitude of the far right.

He didnt even come close to that. He exposed his own far left, "you owe the govt for everything you have" attitude. I will assure you that he pushed more people to the right with those comments than he pulled to the left.

[geoff]

Banginjimmy: arguing with that tool blank_cd will get you know where. Did you not know that "the anointed one" can do know wrong? By the way, I agree with you 100%

Blank: Romney doesn't need to count on a bad quot Obama vomited from his mouth to defeat him, Romney has obamas record to do that. Also, I own my own hardwood installation company. I broke my back installing to make money to buy the necessary tools I need. I now have two crews working for me. In what way, shape, or form did the government or anybody else help me to build what I have? Last time I checked it was my sweat, my sore body, and my busting my butt 72 hours a week that got me where I am.

[TIGERJC]

Few Things I noticed:

The word "conservative" on the top left corner;
Obama is drawn with huge ears... Trying to make him look monkey-ish.

Do we see something?
You see Obama with big ears and poorly drawn face riding on his back = MONKEY riding his back.
That kind of stuff appeals to their vocal base (Rush Limbaugh listeners, NASCAR crowd)

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Blank: Romney doesn't need to count on a bad quot Obama vomited from his mouth to defeat him, Romney has obamas record to do that. Also, I own my own hardwood installation company. I broke my back installing to make money to buy the necessary tools I need. I now have two crews working for me. In what way, shape, or form did the government or anybody else help me to build what I have? Last time I checked it was my sweat, my sore body, and my busting my butt 72 hours a week that got me where I am.Here we go. Lol.

You're absolutely right. Your employees had nothing to do with it.

-You learned how to lay hardwood floors all on your own

-I'm assuming you make all the hardwood slats on your own, and the glue, and the nails. All on your own

-Is it also safe to assume you built the truck you use to transport materials all by yourself from materials you made?

-No one built the infrastructure for you to be able to lay hardwood floors

-And above all else, the ALMIGHTY GOD had absolutely nothing to do with your success?


You stroking a check for materials does not count as hard work.

Somewhere along that line, you had some help. I know this because my dad owns his own construction company. He's the guy that hires you to come do the floors when they build residential units. He had some help along the way. So did you. If you say otherwise, you're an idiot.

[BanginJimmy]

You see Obama with big ears and poorly drawn face riding on his back = MONKEY riding his back.
That kind of stuff appeals to their vocal base (Rush Limbaugh listeners, NASCAR crowd)

Or maybe its just a caricature. Its funny how any time you voice an opinion that is against Obama you are immediately labeled a racist. And people wonder why race relations have devolved during Obama's presidency.

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It's truly amazing how many people are falling for this bullshit. Lol. Believe you, me, Romney and the entire right wing media know exactly what Obama said and exactly how Obama meant it. Romney knows its true, which is why he pretty much paraphrased that in his own speech right after. But Romney and Faux Entertainment knows their audience is anti-intellectual and lap up anything they can spin into anti-Obama drivel. That gets Romney votes, that gets the media viewers.

[geoff]

Blank: my employees had nothing to do with it. I worked, I earned money, and then opened up my own company. Yes I in fact learned how to lay floors on my own, started with my parents house. Then got a job installing for my uncle. I then hired people to help me. I myself don't purchase any materials, the home owner does, I simply get paid for removal and installation. My truck and tools were an expense, which I bought with my own hard earned money. You lose sir. Sure Gid blessed me with natural talent and with job leads. But He won't work for me, that's on my back. I will finish up and settle this, you say no one builds a business on there own, yet I alone assume all the risk. If my company fails, it's on me, not the government, not you, not anyone...just me. You are a moron, not everyone takes hand outs like liberals do. Some people get where they are through simple hard work. I work for no one but myself, I'm responsible for the success or failure of my business, not Obama or any other politician.

[BanginJimmy]

It's truly amazing how many people are falling for this bullshit. Lol. Believe you, me, Romney and the entire right wing media know exactly what Obama said and exactly how Obama meant it. Romney knows its true, which is why he pretty much paraphrased that in his own speech right after. But Romney and Faux Entertainment knows their audience is anti-intellectual and lap up anything they can spin into anti-Obama drivel. That gets Romney votes, that gets the media viewers.

You sure do make a great case for Obama here. /sarcasm


If you truely believe what you are saying, fine, we can disagree. You look like a complete idiot when you start with the Faux new, anti whatever BS. It is a sure sign you have no real argument. The only thing you have proven is that you are a democrat shill and will blindly follow anything they say. Think for yourself, dont let politicians and the media do it for you.

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Then got a job installing for my uncle.

I then hired people to help me.

I myself don't purchase any materials, the home owner does

Sure God blessed me with natural talent and with job leads.I rest my case

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You sure do make a great case for Obama here. /sarcasm


If you truely believe what you are saying, fine, we can disagree. You look like a complete idiot when you start with the Faux new, anti whatever BS. It is a sure sign you have no real argument. The only thing you have proven is that you are a democrat shill and will blindly follow anything they say. Think for yourself, dont let politicians and the media do it for you.This isnt a democrat or republican issue. Republicans and democrats alike know that the whole thing was taken out of context. This is critical thinking and language skills here. If you believe anyone who's ever built a business did everything on their own, fine. Go tell your employees that you did it on your own without their help, and see if you still have a business. If you do that, and they haven't all walked out on you, I'll concede.

[geoff]

Rest your case? Lol you never had a case. All you have is nonsense and blind faith to Obama and the liberals. I hear the same thing from your kind over and over, how Obama is a great man and great for this country. But you would be wrong, for great men accomplish great things and barack obama has not done anything of the sort. In fact, he hasn't even accomplished anything mediocre. Your false idol and hero has turns out to be no "greater" than a burger flipper. Oh, let's see how much intellect and understanding it takes for you to decipher my next comment...you sir are an idiot. That's as straight forward as obamas statement and no need to be taken out of context.

[TIGERJC]

Or maybe its just a caricature. Its funny how any time you voice an opinion that is against Obama you are immediately labeled a racist. And people wonder why race relations have devolved during Obama's presidency.

Bullshit. The artist knew what he was drawing. Blacks have been depictive as monkeys for many years in cartoons and other illustration. If the artist cared so much about the issue he would not even go down that road with the drawing of a monkey, just because he had to know most blacks would take offense to it. Also it doesn't help that it comes from the right and then the right wonders why 95% of Blacks never even look to the conservative side even though they share a lot of the same values when it comes to family and church.

The only racism in America is reverse racism. Shit I could be the new Allen West and become the new altar boy for the right.

[BanginJimmy]

This isnt a democrat or republican issue. Republicans and democrats alike know that the whole thing was taken out of context. This is critical thinking and language skills here. If you believe anyone who's ever built a business did everything on their own, fine. Go tell your employees that you did it on your own without their help, and see if you still have a business. If you do that, and they haven't all walked out on you, I'll concede.

Give me a break with this crap. How many times do you need to hear the same things before you actually comprehend them?


When you were in school, did you ever ask for help with homework? If so, did you then tell the teacher you didnt do it, someone else did?


You didnt even think about or type that post you just typed. Someone else did it for you.

[BanginJimmy]

Bullshit. The artist knew what he was drawing. Blacks have been depictive as monkeys for many years in cartoons and other illustration. If the artist cared so much about the issue he would not even go down that road with the drawing of a monkey, just because he had to know most blacks would take offense to it. Also it doesn't help that it comes from the right and then the right wonders why 95% of Blacks never even look to the conservative side even though they share a lot of the same values when it comes to family and church.


Should have just done this with your first post as that is all it really is.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/27/128775426274198875.jpg





The only racism in America is reverse racism. Shit I could be the new Allen West and become the new altar boy for the right.

Racism is still alive and well in this country. Blacks just refuse to admit they own the other 50% of the problem.

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Rest your case? Lol you never had a case.
I know, Geoff. I know...Lol


Oh, let's see how much intellect and understanding it takes for you to decipher my next comment...you sir are an idiot. That's as straight forward as obamas statement and no need to be taken out of context.You want intellect? Lol. That, and the rest of your entire argument was "ad hominem". It's an informal fallacy. It's what happens when someone gets beaten in an argument and they have no other intellectual recourse.

So with that...*unsubscribe*. My work is done here.

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When you were in school, did you ever ask for help with homework? If so, did you then tell the teacher you didnt do it, someone else did?Absolutely, but I dont go around saying I learned everything I know on my own.

[TIGERJC]

Correct it goes both ways, I never said it didn't.

It is true that Blacks have been depicted as monkeys (inferior to man) for hundreds of years. Surprise you didn't make up a story to say how a black took something away from you with his affirmative action.

[BanginJimmy]

Absolutely, but I dont go around saying I learned everything I know on my own.


I know you arent stupid so I can only think you are playing dumb. There is absolutely no way you cannot grasp the difference between someone helping you do something, and someone doing it for you.

[BanginJimmy]

It is true that Blacks have been depicted as monkeys (inferior to man) for hundreds of years.

And it probably wont stop anytime soon either. Look up caricatures online. You will find the same characteristics in that cartoon that you will find with any other. Larger than normal ears and eyes, elongated face, and oversized head.




Surprise you didn't make up a story to say how a black took something away from you with his affirmative action.

Funny you should bring up affirmative action. Maybe you can explain how preferential treatment combats prefferential treatment.

[TIGERJC]

If another person not overly conservative joins in on the discussion I would glad debate this, but why waste time talking to a brick wall. You and Blank can have at it. Maybe you two should come together and come up with solutions and say what the president or maybe the next president should do to better the country instead of just arguing back and forth all the time.

[David88vert]

blank_cd, you have shown in this thread that you have never started a business nor owned a business. You have no clue as to what it takes to do either, and are definitely not qualified to give any insightful opinion on the matter, as you do not have any knowledge to convey from the experience of being involved in creation or management of a company.

The government never gave me anything on any of my business ventures. In fact, I paid out fees, taxes, etc to the local, state, and federal governments just to get off the ground. You want to mention infrastructure and roads? Guess what - taxpayers like myself, my parents, my grandparents, etc, all paid for these. The government did not "give" it to us - we paid for it and MANY times over. We, the people, have paid inflated government salaries for these politicians, their pork barrel spending, and their wasteful liberal pet projects. We, the people, have had government abuse its power with poor policies, and we have paid for it. The government doesn't give to the business creator, it takes from it. As any real business owner, and he will tell you the same.

Only kids who have no idea of how the real world works will believe Obama and you.

[Sinfix_15]

And that's actually really really sad, even though his statement was 100%, the right has spun a slight grammatical error into ammunition against him which may ultimately mean his demise. Not because his policies are worse, not because he's a bad person.

In your eyes, Obama can do no wrong. Obama has the unconditional love and support from his black voters.

Enlighten me with any mistakes you feel Obama has made so far......

[David88vert]

If another person not overly conservative joins in on the discussion I would glad debate this, but why waste time talking to a brick wall. You and Blank can have at it. Maybe you two should come together and come up with solutions and say what the president or maybe the next president should do to better the country instead of just arguing back and forth all the time.

Racism exists, inside and outside the media. It existed in the old days also, and will exist in the future. Our ancestors just were tougher and had a thicker skin. They did what they needed to do, and didn't let other people drag them down. Perhaps there is a lesson in there.

[Sinfix_15]

Banginjimmy: arguing with that tool blank_cd will get you know where. Did you not know that "the anointed one" can do know wrong? By the way, I agree with you 100%

Blank: Romney doesn't need to count on a bad quot Obama vomited from his mouth to defeat him, Romney has obamas record to do that. Also, I own my own hardwood installation company. I broke my back installing to make money to buy the necessary tools I need. I now have two crews working for me. In what way, shape, or form did the government or anybody else help me to build what I have? Last time I checked it was my sweat, my sore body, and my busting my butt 72 hours a week that got me where I am.

They allowed you to travel on their paved roads that your tax money paid for, in addition to the workers who paved the roads also paying taxes on the money they got payed to pave the roads.

[David88vert]

In your eyes, Obama can do no wrong. Obama has the unconditional love and support from his black voters.

Enlighten me with any mistakes you feel Obama has made so far......



That's easy, he hasn't banned guns, banned the Republican party, dismissed the Supreme Court conservative judges and replaced them with liberal party members who haven't even taken the bar exam, and hasn't yet instituted complete national welfare for all minorities. He hasn't put all of the white males into the cotton fields yet either.

[Sinfix_15]

That's easy, he hasn't banned guns, banned the Republican party, dismissed the Supreme Court conservative judges and replaced them with liberal party members who haven't even taken the bar exam, and hasn't yet instituted complete national welfare for all minorities. He hasn't put all of the white males into the cotton fields yet either.

You say that jokingly....... but i would LOVE to see that put to vote with black voters. I can pretty much guarantee that it would pass with ease.

Tax white males to fund minority welfare - would pass with 98% of the votes. the 2% couldnt read and checked the wrong box.
Reduce taxes on all black people and increase them on all white people to repay slavery - would pass with 100% of the votes.

Pretty much any hand out that is funded by the hard work of someone else will get rave reviews from the democratic party and black voters in particular.

but of course they would be justified in this because "we've taken so much from them"

[geoff]

^ lOl. Funny thing is, not one black American alive nor any of their living relatives have ever been subjected to slavery. I'd say less than 25% of the black population was even subject to segregation, yet they like to rant and rave like it happened yesterday. Slavery was a very bad thing, but get over it. How long can they play the race card?

[Vteckidd]

It's funny, I don't see the big guy carrying the bucket labeled "EDUCATION" and "NETWORKING", or the ball and chain labeled "INFRASTRUCTURE".

Its a catch 22 because without small business roads don't get built. Taxes have to be collected to be used

[TIGERJC]

You say that jokingly....... but i would LOVE to see that put to vote with black voters. I can pretty much guarantee that it would pass with ease.

Tax white males to fund minority welfare - would pass with 98% of the votes. the 2% couldnt read and checked the wrong box.
Reduce taxes on all black people and increase them on all white people to repay slavery - would pass with 100% of the votes.

Pretty much any hand out that is funded by the hard work of someone else will get rave reviews from the democratic party and black voters in particular.

but of course they would be justified in this because "we've taken so much from them"

Now if I made a generalize remark like that, "you" people would then bitch and moan how racist I am and how I should move past race. Take a survey to back up your worthless claim.

[Sinfix_15]

Now if I made a generalize remark like that, "you" people would then bitch and moan how racist I am and how I should move past race. Take a survey to back up your worthless claim.

"you people" do make comments about "us people".

I promise you.... you would be highly embarrassed if they ever do a national poll of black voters with a question like that.

or maybe you wont... you may be one of the ones who will check yes.

[Sinfix_15]

^ lOl. Funny thing is, not one black American alive nor any of their living relatives have ever been subjected to slavery. I'd say less than 25% of the black population was even subject to segregation, yet they like to rant and rave like it happened yesterday. Slavery was a very bad thing, but get over it. How long can they play the race card?

It's trendy to be sympathetic to black people. I personally am tired of it. You've gotten sympathy long enough, time to STFU and be responsible for your own actions.

[Sinfix_15]

can you criticize anything black people do without being a racist? are they so perfect with such a positive effect on society that any criticism you could possibly make would have to be fabricated racist lies?

[TIGERJC]

Racism exists, inside and outside the media. It existed in the old days also, and will exist in the future. Our ancestors just were tougher and had a thicker skin. They did what they needed to do, and didn't let other people drag them down. Perhaps there is a lesson in there.

Going back to the Cartoon overall message. Can someone please explain how this administration has added anymore regulation and bureaucracy than the last 3 presidents? The problem I have with Obama that he has not taken care of our financial Achilles heel, which is our banking and investing system. This Country runs off of spending, and consumers have been hammered on all fronts (Food,gas,Luxuries) since 2004. I was against the bailout but understood we had to do it (Global ramification), but the banking system should have paid the price for their mistakes and Clinton decision on getting rid of the Glass–Steagall Act should have been over turned. I really blame Clinton for the state of our economy as he really push this country to produce wealth on wall street instead of actually creating and producing a product which has always been the key to our financial success.

Most of the wealth in this country now is made on wall street and that money is not being spent and on top of that we the consumers are holding back due to wages not keeping up with inflation and with soaring prices for the basic necessities.

Another thing I would love see is the breaking up of large companies that have become monopolies and more tax breaks and incentives for start ups. Businesses competing equals a better product, lower prices, and competitive pay (companies are trying to get the best or keep the employees they have).

[TIGERJC]

"you people" do make comments about "us people".

I promise you.... you would be highly embarrassed if they ever do a national poll of black voters with a question like that.

or maybe you wont... you may be one of the ones who will check yes.
You know the black community so well, I guess when you notice them from afar you become a expert. If you seek the answer you're looking for, then you need to poll blacks under a certain income bracket and education level to get those results you claim just like with any poll.

[Sinfix_15]

You know the black community so well, I guess when you notice them from afar you become a expert. If you seek the answer you're looking for, then you need to poll blacks under a certain income bracket and education level to get those results you claim just like with any poll.

I live in columbus, i dont see black people from "afar".... columbus is nearly 70% black and less than 20% white. I work with mostly black people. If i go clubbing, 90% black... if i got to a bar.... 90% black... if i go out to eat.... 90% black... work with mostly black people, neighborhood is mostly black... entire city is black................ i am the minority here. I interact with black people on a daily basis in almost every single thing i do. Unless im sitting at this computer beating off, im with a black person. You dont have to be fuckin Malcolm X to understand black people. You think you're such a complex mystery that we would have to do some long term study to understand you.... Nope.... i get it........

Be honest with yourself and drop the denial routine. You understand the bias.... you just dont like it.

[RandomGuy]

Should have just done this with your first post as that is all it really is.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/27/128775426274198875.jpg






Racism is still alive and well in this country. Blacks just refuse to admit they own the other 50% of the problem.
LMAOOO WELL EXECUTED +1

I seriously doubt this had anything to do with race. Especially considering that I got it from a computer networking blog. I think the big ears are not to "monkeyfy" him, but to make him appear idiotic/childlike.

[alex14]

It's truly amazing how many people are falling for this bullshit. Lol. Believe you, me, Romney and the entire right wing media know exactly what Obama said and exactly how Obama meant it. Romney knows its true, which is why he pretty much paraphrased that in his own speech right after. But Romney and Faux Entertainment knows their audience is anti-intellectual and lap up anything they can spin into anti-Obama drivel. That gets Romney votes, that gets the media viewers.
Bahahahahahahahaha! I like how you act like this is a right wing policy only. Liberals are just as guilty of this as anyone. Ie the Chic-fil-a situation. not once did he say that he hated gays, but here go's the liberal hippies quick to skew his words and cause an uproar.

Its politics period. has nothing to do with right or left wing.

[Vteckidd]

What Obama said was not taken out of context. Its what he believes. His policy demonstrates it. Proof is in the pudding:

8+% UE
largest deficits of any president ever
Demonizes Private sector and SB owners
Never held a private sector job in his life
ALways been a govt worker

Despite record spending, despite complete control over all branches of govt for 2 years, despite 4 years of the same regurgitated talk, the middle class is still struggling, UE hasnt gone down, the economy is anemic and not growing. Hes not made anything better for anyone, hes made it worse. The democrats can play the whole "IT WAS SO TERRIbLE WHEN WE TOOK OVER" card all they want, people want results after 4 years, not excuses.

Obamas whole "fair share" argument doesnt hold water and he knows it. Thats the whole point behind the "you didnt build it" speech. He was saying that business owners OWED the rest of us "their fair share" in taxes because they USED the rest of us to get to where they are now.

Its the most asinine argument in history. No amount of FAIR SHARE taxation is going to do anything he says it going to do like "pay down the deficit" and "invest" in education to "grow the economy". WTF does that even mean?

My thoughts are, SOLVE THE EXISTING PROBLEMS WITH THE MONEY YOU HAVE, CUT SPENDING WHERE ITS NEEDED, No one should give the govt another DIME until they live within a reasonable budget.

He spent 700 billion in stim 1 and we got 10 months of a BUMP in UE, but as we have seen its not sustainable because when the govt money dries up, you have to spend it again.

Obama fundamental belief is that the economy has to be grown by govt spending and govt jobs. He believes THAT is the middle class. Hes wrong. his policies have proven it

[geoff]

First of all, Obama being portrayed as a monkey makes sense, its not a racist thing. Has no one here ever heard of the saying, " a monkey on my back"? Here is the exact definition.

a monkey on your back
a serious problem that you cannot forget When you know you have to do everything perfectly, it puts a giant monkey on your back.
Usage notes: also used in the form get the monkey off your back (to end a problem): By winning the championship, this team has finally got the monkey off its back.
Etymology: based on an earlier meaning of a monkey on your back (a habit of using an illegal drug) source: idioms.free dicitonary.com

So as you can see, the cartoonist was not trying to be racist or over conservative. He was stating that Obama and his policies have been a serious problem to business. The race issue is dead. Slavery was abolished almost 150 years ago, civil rights was almost 50 years ago. The president of the United States is black. The black people have achieved everything MLK ever dreamed of. There exists racial stereotypes because they are guilty of them. I once heard a well kept black man who owned a medical supply business tell his son, " you stop runnin around with those hoodlum niggas, they only going to bring you down". Not all blacks are the same, those who made a life for themselves are ashamed of the gang banging low lives.

Finally, instead of this government wasting all the tax payers money and giving huge banks bail outs, how about we start fixing this economy by cutting pay of government officials? The president earns a $400,000 annual salary, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account and $19,000 for entertainment. Not to mention all the other perks and payoffs by lobbyists and the vacation time they get. And what about congress? The ENTIRE government has been irresponsible and corrupt. Therefore they need to be penalized. They forget that they are ELECTED officials, it is a privalege not a right. They work for us and they need to be reminded of that, conservative and liberal alike.

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It's racist to use the word monkey in the same sentence as. Black people. Clearly you and this author are both negro hating racists for not being offended by them mocking Obama's race by comparing him to a monkey. Monkeys are not silly foolish creatures often used in comedy and cartoon sketches, monkey is a racist term used by white people to belittle african americans. Now that i've set you straight.............

enjoy some appropriate political humor.

http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/8130george-w-bush-monkey-posters.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Sn4fInOuaK8/TVupM_hlz2I/AAAAAAAAAt0/RXSRtPiKTcI/s1600/bush_monkey3.jpg
http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/9george-bush.jpg
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http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtNAq7aLRtyFdpL8dOf5GYSEldvQ-HBzhX0aXIVfYz-VjyGth_PFyf0sofjQ

BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!! STFU ABOUT RACE!!! THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT RACE IS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[eraser4g63]

This is the reason I stopped coming in here. Say one thing against the ruling power ( their words not mine) and your a racist, or a bigot, or anti-poor.

[David88vert]

Going back to the Cartoon overall message. Can someone please explain how this administration has added anymore regulation and bureaucracy than the last 3 presidents? The problem I have with Obama that he has not taken care of our financial Achilles heel, which is our banking and investing system. This Country runs off of spending, and consumers have been hammered on all fronts (Food,gas,Luxuries) since 2004. I was against the bailout but understood we had to do it (Global ramification), but the banking system should have paid the price for their mistakes and Clinton decision on getting rid of the Glass–Steagall Act should have been over turned. I really blame Clinton for the state of our economy as he really push this country to produce wealth on wall street instead of actually creating and producing a product which has always been the key to our financial success.

Most of the wealth in this country now is made on wall street and that money is not being spent and on top of that we the consumers are holding back due to wages not keeping up with inflation and with soaring prices for the basic necessities.

Another thing I would love see is the breaking up of large companies that have become monopolies and more tax breaks and incentives for start ups. Businesses competing equals a better product, lower prices, and competitive pay (companies are trying to get the best or keep the employees they have).

Sorry for not responding soon, have been offline, moving into new house currently.

As to regulation, Obama has increased it massively with the Obamacare bill. It had many non-related add-ins, and will increase spending more than all of the other presidents combined.

We shouldn't be too hard on Obama though, after all, this is his first real job in his whole life.

Clinton was a continuation of the Carter administrations bad judgment on de-coupling housing from inflation.

Regulation at a federal level is not the solution. Less government intervention except in extreme cases. If a person or company tries hard to grow, and succeeds, why should they be punished for their success? Who wants to work hard, just to have the government take away the profits?

[RandomGuy]

Obama: 'They Have Tried To Sell Us This Trickle-Down, Tax-Cut Fairy Dust Before' (http://mediacast.realgravity.com/sharing/01e8b250-7532-012f-2dbb-12313d00d151/83083e10-bf0f-012f-c0ef-12313b01b22c.html)

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If a person or company tries hard to grow, and succeeds, why should they be punished for their success? Who wants to work hard, just to have the government take away the profits?This is not what increasing taxes does. Its so silly to hear when people make it sound like raising taxes on top earners is some kind of egregious wrong doing

[David88vert]

This is not what increasing taxes does. Its so silly to hear when people make it sound like raising taxes on top earners is some kind of egregious wrong doing

Explain. You offer nothing but an empty statement.

Are you referring to Reich's 3 min explanation video, "The Truth About The Economy"? Are you drinking the MoveOn Kool-Aid?

[Vteckidd]

This is not what increasing taxes does. Its so silly to hear when people make it sound like raising taxes on top earners is some kind of egregious wrong doing

the problem is WHy they want to do it. Obama spins it as its some sort of social injustice and if we just raised taxes on the "rich" who "ruined it for the rest of us" it will solve ALL THE PROBlEMS. Its NOT TRUE.

THe revenue he raises (which is subjective because all data points to a DROP in revenue when you raise taxes) will only be used to further expand his govt programs which DONT HELP PEOPLE LONG TERM. Its a blip, its a fix, its a minor help. Its not sustainable.

Obama lacks the balls to even attempt to fix the tax code so he just preaches this FAIR SHARE bullshit that he knows will NEVER BE PASSED anyways. His plan is nothing but rhetoric.

I mean i am totally for letting the bush tax cuts expire for everyone on principle. But he should eliminate the corporate loop holes that allow companies to hide money overseas like GE, he should do something that gives incentive for companies to come over here. dont tax repatriated profits, etc.

but he wont do that because he wants to buy votes, hes not interested in helping the middle class or the poor

[David88vert]

the problem is WHy they want to do it. Obama spins it as its some sort of social injustice and if we just raised taxes on the "rich" who "ruined it for the rest of us" it will solve ALL THE PROBlEMS. Its NOT TRUE.

THe revenue he raises (which is subjective because all data points to a DROP in revenue when you raise taxes) will only be used to further expand his govt programs which DONT HELP PEOPLE LONG TERM. Its a blip, its a fix, its a minor help. Its not sustainable.

Obama lacks the balls to even attempt to fix the tax code so he just preaches this FAIR SHARE bullshit that he knows will NEVER BE PASSED anyways. His plan is nothing but rhetoric.

I mean i am totally for letting the bush tax cuts expire for everyone on principle. But he should eliminate the corporate loop holes that allow companies to hide money overseas like GE, he should do something that gives incentive for companies to come over here. dont tax repatriated profits, etc.

but he wont do that because he wants to buy votes, hes not interested in helping the middle class or the poor

Agreed

[iamdallas]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/376629_10150981598096275_2132254203_n.jpg

[iamdallas]

"Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally."

-Thomas Paine

"All the Property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the property of the publick, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the publick shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages."

-Ben Franklin

Words written by two founding fathers. This is the stuff this country was founded on, and I don't think it should be dismissed. I think what most people are taking from that speech is a little twisted and mostly taken out of context. But, there is no right or wrong... just opinions. And that's mine for what it's worth.

[bu villain]

^ Agreed. I wouldn't hire a plumber and then tell everyone I fixed my own sink by myself just because I paid the plumber. We live in a complex ecosystem where we are all interdependent to some extent. I don't know why people are so against giving credit to the people and infrastructure that help their businesses thrive. That seems very narcassistic. It doesn't diminish someone's hard work just because they had help along the way. You can argue about what the president meant when he refered to "that" but from the entire speech, it's pretty clear to me that he is talking about infrastructure.

[ISAtlanta300]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/376629_10150981598096275_2132254203_n.jpg

So if the government is supposedly "helping" every business, why doesn't everybody own a business?

Plus all those government "items" in the pictures are just services. Services that you pay for either by taxes or a monthly bill. That's hardly "helping".


A business starts with an ideal, and a determination and a drive to succeed.

In the eyes of Obama, no one is an 'entrepreneur'; all businesses leached off of someone somehow.... really?

Tell that to the kid with the Lemonade stand.....

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So if the government is supposedly "helping" every business, why doesn't everybody own a business?

Some people have no desire to run a business, some people dont have the capital. There are a bunch of reasons..

[Vteckidd]

I think again the statements meat is in his policies. Show me anything he has done in 4 years that makes the middle class BETTER. hes done nothing for the private sector besides continuing W Bush policies (which he campaigned against), hes done nothing for the average american that needs a job besides give them unlimited UE benefits, exploded the debt with little to nothing to show for it, hes done nothing on taxes. The only thing hes done was Obamacare which isnt even implemented AND it will be a TAX on the middle class.

YOu know that Ad that is running right now about Romney where Bain (2 years after he left) laid off some workers and one of the workers wife had cancer and lost her medical benefits? Well in Obamas world, not only would he lose his coverage, he would pay a fine if he didnt have coverage. Obama would tax him/fine him. Where is that narrative?

the YOU DIDNT BUILD IT is basically him saying hes pissed off at the private sector. He doesnt like them, he loves their money, but he doesnt think that the private sector does anything well. He wants everything to be nationalized or govt run. Which is why he keeps saying INVEST in education and roads and bridges. Didnt he have 700+ BILLION in the stimulus that was supposed to to just that? WHERE DID THAT MONEY GET WASTED?

They cant even spend the money they have well, why should we give them more?

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Tell that to the kid with the Lemonade stand....."I had the idea of making a lemonade stand. My dad built the stand, Dixie made the cups, a farmer down the street grew me some lemons, someone refined the sugar, the government piped water to my house,and my parents taught me the value of a dollar. BUT I BUILT THIS BUSINESS ALL BY MYSELF!"

-Lemonade kid

[ISAtlanta300]

"I had the idea of making a lemonade stand.

My dad built the stand,
"I build my own stand. No one helped. Bought supplies with my savings shoveling snow and mowing grass" - Kid

Dixie made the cups
"I bought the cups. Dixie didn't give them to me for free. They didn't "help". - Kid

, a farmer down the street grew me some lemons
"I actually used lemons from our lemon tree in the yard. No one helped me plant that tree" - Kid.

, someone refined the sugar
"I bought the sugar. I could give two shits who refined it. I PAID FOR IT. No one took it out of their ass and gave it to me. No one 'helped' by dumping a free pallet of sugar at my front door" - Kid

, the government piped water to my house,
"which i pay for not only with taxes, but with a monthly bill. They didn't just give me free water out of their dick. NO one helped" - Kid

and my parents taught me the value of a dollar.
"I learned that all myself. That's the reason I wanted my lemonade stand. to be able to buy shit I want" - Kid

BUT I BUILT THIS BUSINESS ALL BY MYSELF!"
"FUCK YEA I BUILT THIS FUCKING BUSINESS ALL BY MYSELF!! I TOOK ALL THE RISKS AND USED ALL MY OWN CAPITAL. I DIDN'T SEE YOU OR ANYONE FROM THE GOVERNMENT HELPING ME WITH SHIT!! So...why again should I share my profit with you?"
-Lemonade kid

lol

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[Vteckidd]

"I had the idea of making a lemonade stand. My dad built the stand, Dixie made the cups, a farmer down the street grew me some lemons, someone refined the sugar, the government piped water to my house,and my parents ta
ught me the value of a dollar. BUT I BUILT THIS BUSINESS ALL BY MYSELF!"

-Lemonade kid

You're absolutely right. But why didn't he say that?

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You're absolutely right. But why didn't he say that?

I watched the video again. It sounds to me, at the end, when he said "If you have a business...you...you didn't build that" like he meant business as an actual physical building, and not business as an idea

[Vteckidd]

I watched the video again. It sounds to me, at the end, when he said "If you have a business...you...you didn't build that" like he meant business as an actual physical building, and not business as an idea

i know what he meant with his statement. IMO my interpretation was that he was saying no 1 person does it alone. We are all in this together. We all depend on each other. It was just horribly put.

It will be taken as "you owe the govt more money in taxes because of what I have given you" which is the way the right is framing it.

Unfortunately he doesnt have much to combat it with because his record on job creation and helping small business is not stellar.

IMO of course

[iamdallas]

So if the government is supposedly "helping" every business, why doesn't everybody own a business?

Plus all those government "items" in the pictures are just services. Services that you pay for either by taxes or a monthly bill. That's hardly "helping".


A business starts with an ideal, and a determination and a drive to succeed.

In the eyes of Obama, no one is an 'entrepreneur'; all businesses leached off of someone somehow.... really?

Tell that to the kid with the Lemonade stand.....

So you're telling me that if we all kept the 20% or more that we give to the govt every year we would still have all those things?

The only reason this country has all the things it has is because we work together and share successes. If it weren't for govt projects we would have paved roads from coast to coast. We wouldn't have things like bankruptcy for business.

Paying taxes does not mean that you succeeded in all these things by yourself. Buying a sandwich doesn't mean you shouldn't be thankful to the person that made it for you. Currency is a mutual trade that benefits all persons involved.

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[David88vert]

The roads were paid for by us, the taxpayers.
The Post Office is paid for by us, the taxpayers.
EVERY government service, institution, and employee, is paid for us, the taxpayers.

Show me a list of government services/offices that are not paid for by us, the taxpayers.

Business is transactions between people, whether they are individuals or companies.
Government cannot survive without the people and business. Business will continue whether there is government or not (not necessarily as easily, of course).

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The roads were paid for by us, the taxpayers.
The Post Office is paid for by us, the taxpayers.
EVERY government service, institution, and employee, is paid for us, the taxpayers.

Show me a list of government services/offices that are not paid for by us, the taxpayers.The fact that they are taxpayer funded is totally irrelevant.


Business is transactions between people, whether they are individuals or companies.
Government cannot survive without the people and business. Business will continue whether there is government or not (not necessarily as easily, of course).What plutocratic country are you talking about?

[David88vert]

The fact that they are taxpayer funded is totally irrelevant.

What plutocratic country are you talking about?

It is completely relevant. All of the projects/services that you mention are completely funded by the people. You think that the government magically gives the services to the businesses?

I am talking about the USA. You obviously are not living in this country if you cannot recognize the truth.

[David88vert]

This is not what increasing taxes does. Its so silly to hear when people make it sound like raising taxes on top earners is some kind of egregious wrong doing



Since you still didn't explain your previous statement, instead you simply ignored it, here is some food for thought. France's President wants to raise taxes on the rich still more - and look what the response from the rich is - they are looking to move out of France.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/business/global/frances-les-riches-vow-to-leave-if-75-tax-rate-is-passed.html?_r=1&ref=business



The fact is that if the rich leave, then they will not have the capital needed to fund all of the social programs. If you think that the US is different, then you don't understand people and their desire to keep what they earned.

[Vteckidd]

The fact that they are taxpayer funded is totally irrelevant.

Yes and no. Its a chicken and Egg first conversation. Without Businesses/People, governement collects no tax revenue, without tax revenue theres no roads or bridges or blah blah blah.

Remember Govt doesnt create or produce revenue, it collects taxes. Its not a business. it doesnt run like a business. Theres also nothing that a Govt does that cannot be done by a private business (IE pave/build roads, rapid transit, ports, shipping, regulations, etc). I would say the govt depends much more on the taxes it collects than the individual depends on the govt to provide a service.

Again, for me its the substance of the argument. Obama has done nothing to further the middle class even though we sit here and lampoon the GOP for catering to the wealthy. Obama is no different with his $40,000 a plate fundraisers , rubbing elbows with bankers and dumping lost billions into green "TECH" companies knowing it will go bad, all kinds of things.

HE DOESNT CARE ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS. Im not so sure Romney does either.

[David88vert]

HE DOESNT CARE ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS. Im not so sure Romney does either.

Neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party represent the majority of United States citizens. Both candidates are subject to their parties wishes if they wish to receive the nomination. Fix the party's political platform if you wish to have a better candidate from each major party.

[Vteckidd]

The difference is i just believe in the republican /gop economic policies more than the Democrats. I think if Romney wins the economy will get better and UE will go down because businesses will do better. I think he will be a much better pro business guy than Obama has proven to be.

Will that motivate people to get off food stamps and welfare...........that i dont think he has any control over.

will it stop the OWS people? probably not.
We will still have to hold Romney to the same standard we hold Obama too, he will have to cut spending, reduce the deficit, create jobs without fudging the numbers. I just hope if Romney gets in people hold him to a high standard because we have a LONG WAY TO GO.

[Sinfix_15]

The roads were paid for by us, the taxpayers.
The Post Office is paid for by us, the taxpayers.
EVERY government service, institution, and employee, is paid for us, the taxpayers.

Show me a list of government services/offices that are not paid for by us, the taxpayers.

Business is transactions between people, whether they are individuals or companies.
Government cannot survive without the people and business. Business will continue whether there is government or not (not necessarily as easily, of course).

Blank probably flipped over backwards in his chair and spit out his drink when he read that line. Probably cant imagine a life without government aid. Independence is a foreign concept. We must rely on the government to control our endeavors.

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Blank probably flipped over backwards in his chair and spit out his drink when he read that line. Probably cant imagine a life without government aid. Independence is a foreign concept. We must rely on the government to control our endeavors.

OMG. IS...IS THIS TRUE?? GOVERNMENT SERVICES ARE TAXPAYER FUNDED??? YOU SIT ON A THRONE OF LIES. I GET MY EBT CARD ALL BY MYSELF, WITH NO ONES HELP.

The fact is, these government services and infrastructures are in place, and you will pay for them whether you use them or not. This is why it's irrelevant.

You can choose to go to public school and learn. You can go to a privately funded school if you want. A teacher still helped you learn, either way. You had help. You might have had the idea on your own but you didn't do everything on your own. Why is this even debatable? Lol.

[ISAtlanta300]

"Shit.. I can't do shit by myself. Even if I took a shit....somehow, Home Depot helped me by making the toilet, and Charmin provided the ass paper. I guess the government is helping me hold my dick when I pee..."

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"Shit.. I can't do shit by myself. Even if I took a shit....somehow, Home Depot helped me by making the toilet, and Charmin provided the ass paper. I guess the government is helping me hold my dick when I pee..."

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Welp. That settles it. ISAtlanta, David88, and the rest of their fellow staunch conservatives have figured it out. Obama is a dumbass proclaiming businesses didn't do everything on their own. What was he thinking? Lol.

BTW, since no one has any help starting a business, y'all better tell these guys to pack it up and go home. They're all out of a job now. Lol

http://www.bankofamerica.com/small_business/business_financing/

https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/loans_lines

wait a minute, is this......is this a government assistance program?

http://www.sba.gov/category/navigation-structure/loans-grants/

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I wonder what percent of Fortune 500 companies were started from a small business loan, or grant. That'd be some interesting information....

Anyone wanna place a wager that it's more than 0%? Anyone?

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I almost forgot. More government help. Tax deductions. A nice gesture by uncle Sam that says "Hey, thanks for making America great, write off some of your business expenses."

http://sbinformation.about.com/od/taxes/a/Topdeduction_ga.htm

Since businesses don't use government help, this should help with getting businesses to pay the top tax rate.

"Oh...you say you don't want to increase taxes on businesses? I thought you said before you don't need help from the government?"

[bu villain]

Help you pay for is still help.

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Help you pay for is still help.

Hey, you there, stop being so rational.

[Sinfix_15]

OMG. IS...IS THIS TRUE?? GOVERNMENT SERVICES ARE TAXPAYER FUNDED??? YOU SIT ON A THRONE OF LIES. I GET MY EBT CARD ALL BY MYSELF, WITH NO ONES HELP.

The fact is, these government services and infrastructures are in place, and you will pay for them whether you use them or not. This is why it's irrelevant.

You can choose to go to public school and learn. You can go to a privately funded school if you want. A teacher still helped you learn, either way. You had help. You might have had the idea on your own but you didn't do everything on your own. Why is this even debatable? Lol.

The government helps us, as they were appointed by us to do. We are not getting our money's worth and the more powerful the government becomes, the more they abuse that power and the less they care about our needs.

We dont need a government that feeds, clothes and shelters us. We need a government that maintains a society suitable for us to feed, cloth and shelter ourselves. The president is a management position, not a care taker. Pop the government's titty out of your mouth and grow up. I dont want the government to take care of me. I'm not happy with the service im provided for my tax money.

[iamdallas]

I think one thing we're forgetting here is that WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. ;)

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I dont want the government to take care of me. I'm not happy with the service im provided for my tax money.That's fine. You have a choice though. If youre not happy, DONT USE THEIR SERVICES. Simple as that. Dont drive on any roads, shut your water off, your electricity, dont take your kids to public school, dont mail anything. You could even go one step further and stop paying for them. No one has a gun to your head. LOL

[Vteckidd]

I wonder what percent of Fortune 500 companies were started from a small business loan, or grant. That'd be some interesting information....

Anyone wanna place a wager that it's more than 0%? Anyone?

Oh i bet a ton of people start businesses with SB Loans and such. Frank Ski started his restaurant on Peachtree with a SBA Loan backed by the govt. But where does the govt get that revenue from? Taxpayers.

Again its a chicken and egg argument.

I look at the whole picture, rather than sit here and aruge that govt does 0 for anyone, which is what is going on, i will argue what the future looks like. It doesnt look good on the current path, Im not sure Romney is the answer, but i think more people will go back to work with romney vs obama

[BanginJimmy]

I have given up on this. Too many people cannot grasp the difference between someone helping you do something and someone doing it for you. I dont think most of you making this claim are that dumb so I have to think you are just making excuses for the idiot.

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[Sinfix_15]

That's fine. You have a choice though. If youre not happy, DONT USE THEIR SERVICES. Simple as that. Dont drive on any roads, shut your water off, your electricity, dont take your kids to public school, dont mail anything. You could even go one step further and stop paying for them. No one has a gun to your head. LOL

I pay for all of these services and people like me established and built all of these services. What makes you think the government owns the roads? we built the roads, we paid for the roads to be built. I'm just as entitled to drive on the roads as President Obama is. Why is the answer always "dont use their services"? its not *THEIR* services. How about we fire everyone in office and make them stop using the roads? We citizens own the roads, we just employed the government to manage them for us. If the owner of applebees fires the manager, that manager doesnt get to close the place down and take all of the food home. He's an employee. You and I, we own america. Your mom, dad, brother, grandfather, sister.... we own america. President Obama is our employee. Mitt Romney, he's applying for a job. These people in office need to be reminded of this fact. When the 2nd amendment was wrote, it was to enforce this fact.

[bu villain]

I have given up on this. Too many people cannot grasp the difference between someone helping you do something and someone doing it for you. I dont think most of you making this claim are that dumb so I have to think you are just making excuses for the idiot.

I think everyone does grasp the difference. Despite Obama's bad wording, no one is saying business owners didn't build their businesses. Just that we all should recognize no one builds a business in a vacuum. They build it within the infrastructure of our society which has been built over time through everyone's contributions (including the business owners).

[geoff]

This thread is still going? Here's a simple scenario. Who wakes you up to go to work Monday-friday? You provide labor/services and recieve compensation. We are all in charge of our own success and failure. I have a pos uncle that is 30, lives at home, no job, no car, no drivers lisence...his failure can be chalked up to many things...but it in the end he is just lazy. The government doesn't make u work or stay home. Your entire life is on ur own hands. Shame on Obama abd the government for playing "god" and shame on those who "worship" it.

[David88vert]

OMG. IS...IS THIS TRUE?? GOVERNMENT SERVICES ARE TAXPAYER FUNDED??? YOU SIT ON A THRONE OF LIES. I GET MY EBT CARD ALL BY MYSELF, WITH NO ONES HELP.

The fact is, these government services and infrastructures are in place, and you will pay for them whether you use them or not. This is why it's irrelevant.

You can choose to go to public school and learn. You can go to a privately funded school if you want. A teacher still helped you learn, either way. You had help. You might have had the idea on your own but you didn't do everything on your own. Why is this even debatable? Lol.

Do you realize the schools in DeKalb County were community sponsored back in the mid-1800's? The DeKalb county school board wasn't started until 1873. Even now, they are run by the county school boards. The federal government is not directly in charge of schools.

[David88vert]

Welp. That settles it. ISAtlanta, David88, and the rest of their fellow staunch conservatives have figured it out. Obama is a dumbass proclaiming businesses didn't do everything on their own. What was he thinking? Lol.

BTW, since no one has any help starting a business, y'all better tell these guys to pack it up and go home. They're all out of a job now. Lol

Business Credit Solutions: Small Business Loans Overview from Bank of America (http://www.bankofamerica.com/small_business/business_financing/)

https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/loans_lines

wait a minute, is this......is this a government assistance program?

Loans & Grants | SBA.gov (http://www.sba.gov/category/navigation-structure/loans-grants/)

I've never had to take a business loan, and neither has a lot of others. Even then, the banks loan to make money, not as a help. It's their business.

[David88vert]

I almost forgot. More government help. Tax deductions. A nice gesture by uncle Sam that says "Hey, thanks for making America great, write off some of your business expenses."

Small Business Tax Deductions - Top 10 Tax Deductions For Small Businesses (http://sbinformation.about.com/od/taxes/a/Topdeduction_ga.htm)

Since businesses don't use government help, this should help with getting businesses to pay the top tax rate.

"Oh...you say you don't want to increase taxes on businesses? I thought you said before you don't need help from the government?"

I wonder why businesses and people want to leave France? Oh yeah, higher taxes than Belgium.
You have to have some taxes, but there comes a point when it is just too much. You have to find a balance.

Tax deductions are just collecting less taxes. It's not like you are being given anything.

[David88vert]

That's fine. You have a choice though. If youre not happy, DONT USE THEIR SERVICES. Simple as that. Dont drive on any roads, shut your water off, your electricity, dont take your kids to public school, dont mail anything. You could even go one step further and stop paying for them. No one has a gun to your head. LOL

You must live in a place beling supplied to you. Georgia Power is not government supplied services.
Water is county, not federal. Federal services have been the majority of the discussion.

Even if he turned off water, and doesn't have kids, he still would have to pay for the services.

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^ Why are you still trying to rationalize this? LOL. You're absolutely right, David, Despite all the facts saying otherwise, no business owners anywhere ever needed help. Ever. All businesses were created in a vacuum. Lol.

You should run for president. Obama has a lot to learn from you. Lol.

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[David88vert]

You assume that all business owners need help. That's just not true. In the beginning, people did business without government interference/involvment. In many areas today, there are plenty of businesses that still do not need or receive help from the government. Look at ranchers in Montana - they drill from water, many create their own electricity, build their own homes, grow their own crops, etc. Yet they still have to pay the same taxes to the federal government. They do get some services such as protection by our Armed Forces - just less services than you and I.

Obama could learn a lot from me - this is his first real job, and he has not ever had to start a business. I've worked in a variety of companies from corporate down to single-owner run businesses, and have had to deal with start-ups, shutdowns, and more, including my own. Perhaps you should try to learn also...

[BanginJimmy]

^ Why are you still trying to rationalize this? LOL. You're absolutely right, David, Despite all the facts saying otherwise, no business owners anywhere ever needed help. Ever. All businesses were created in a vacuum. Lol.

You should run for president. Obama has a lot to learn from you. Lol.

/thread.

And we are back to trying to figure out the difference between help, purchased products and services, and someone doing it for you.

[David88vert]

And we are back to trying to figure out the difference between help, purchased products and services, and someone doing it for you.

I'm guessing that next he will claim that all of our homes are provided by the government as well. Why am I paying for it then? Why am I receiving bills for the utilities I use? Why isn't Obama paying for all of it?

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And we are back to trying to figure out the difference between help, purchased products and services, and someone doing it for you.
Who said anything about anyone doing everything for you? I haven't said anything even remotely close that.

[iamdallas]

Who said anything about anyone doing everything for you? I haven't said anything even remotely close that.

Just drop it. There are people who believe everything they've done, they do alone. You're not going to change anyone's mind.

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[Sinfix_15]

Just drop it. There are people who believe everything they've done, they do alone. You're not going to change anyone's mind.

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Nobody believes that the government does not help them or that they dont need help. The government is not a stand alone entity. We fund the government. If not for me and you, the government doesnt have any money to help business'. We appoint the government to represent us and manage our society. We fund them, we pay them. Without the people's support, there is no government. When Obama or any member of government hands over assistance to a small business, theyre giving that small business my money, your money... everyone's money. We all agreed to pay taxes and allow them to represent us. It's a joint operation. The government doesnt take care of us, we take care of each other. Our argument is that the government isnt living up to their promises. I pay my taxes, everyone does.... we have to... there's no choice. Unlike the local pizza place where i can decide to not eat there if the pizza sucks or ask for my money back, it's a little more difficult with this government. Obama is a shitty under cooked pizza with no pepperoni on it, even though i ordered pepperoni.... but the pizza place is refusing to give me my money's worth because "you cant live without eating".

The government works for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! our government is so shitty that you've forgotten this fact and now view them as some care taker of your life that you're just happy to get anything from them, but that isnt the case. There is no government without people, so the argument of nobody can do anything without government help is ridiculous. The government cant do anything without us. We buy the jets, the aircraft carriers, the roads, the white house, the college grants........ we pay for that. The government doesnt GIVE those things to us. We pay for them. We allow the government to exist. Does your accountant own your life savings? It's your money, you just have someone else manage it for you. This is our country, Obama is an employee that we pay to represent us. He's not your fucking daddy.


^ Why are you still trying to rationalize this? LOL. You're absolutely right, David, Despite all the facts saying otherwise, no business owners anywhere ever needed help. Ever. All businesses were created in a vacuum. Lol.

You should run for president. Obama has a lot to learn from you. Lol.



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How many business owners would the government be able to help if there were no business owners paying taxes. Obama does have a lot to learn from probably almost anyone walking the street.

[BanginJimmy]

Who said anything about anyone doing everything for you? I haven't said anything even remotely close that.

Obama said exactly that and you have been trying to spin it as far away from what he actually said as you can.

"If you have a business, you didnt build that. Someone did that for you."

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Obama said exactly that and you have been trying to spin it as far away from what he actually said as you can.

"If you have a business, you didnt build that. Someone did that for you.""If you have a business, you didnt build that [physical building]. Someone else made that happen."

Why would he go from talking about people working together to make a business, to 'the government does everything for you'? That doesn't even make sense. I keep watching that video over and over and I can't fathom how he meant anything other than what he said. If you're going strictly by "If you have a business, you didn't build that" without taking into consideration the words he said before that and after that, then I see how you can come to that conclusion.

The one line encapsulates everything the conservative camp tries to use against Obama. It's also a really easy way to take a headshot at the president.

"...The point is, when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together"

[iamdallas]

"...The point is, when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together"

I think that would be a fair summary.

He had a poor choice of words, but any logical person can determine what he was saying.


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[iamdallas]

Nobody believes that the government does not help them or that they dont need help. The government is not a stand alone entity. We fund the government. If not for me and you, the government doesnt have any money to help business'. We appoint the government to represent us and manage our society. We fund them, we pay them. Without the people's support, there is no government. When Obama or any member of government hands over assistance to a small business, theyre giving that small business my money, your money... everyone's money. We all agreed to pay taxes and allow them to represent us. It's a joint operation. The government doesnt take care of us, we take care of each other. Our argument is that the government isnt living up to their promises. I pay my taxes, everyone does.... we have to... there's no choice. Unlike the local pizza place where i can decide to not eat there if the pizza sucks or ask for my money back, it's a little more difficult with this government. Obama is a shitty under cooked pizza with no pepperoni on it, even though i ordered pepperoni.... but the pizza place is refusing to give me my money's worth because "you cant live without eating".

The government works for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! our government is so shitty that you've forgotten this fact and now view them as some care taker of your life that you're just happy to get anything from them, but that isnt the case. There is no government without people, so the argument of nobody can do anything without government help is ridiculous. The government cant do anything without us. We buy the jets, the aircraft carriers, the roads, the white house, the college grants........ we pay for that. The government doesnt GIVE those things to us. We pay for them. We allow the government to exist. Does your accountant own your life savings? It's your money, you just have someone else manage it for you. This is our country, Obama is an employee that we pay to represent us. He's not your fucking daddy.



How many business owners would the government be able to help if there were no business owners paying taxes. Obama does have a lot to learn from probably almost anyone walking the street.

I have already posted this fact, and I don't believe that our government is worse than it has been before. There is always a tendency for people throughout history to think things are worse in their time than before.

One problem is with complacency of the people. But that's always been a problem. Another problem is the way campaigns are monitored... and another with how votes are counted. But these problems have always been in our system. The problem isn't with our time.

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I think that would be a fair summary.

He had a poor choice of words, but any logical person can determine what he was saying.


Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using Tapatalk 2That is word for word how he summed up what he said in the video. Two sentences after he said what he said Lol. Thats why I keep saying, context is key.

[Sinfix_15]

I have already posted this fact, and I don't believe that our government is worse than it has been before. There is always a tendency for people throughout history to think things are worse in their time than before.

One problem is with complacency of the people. But that's always been a problem. Another problem is the way campaigns are monitored... and another with how votes are counted. But these problems have always been in our system. The problem isn't with our time.

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you're right, has nothing to do with highest tax increase, spending and debt in american history. It's in all in our heads.

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you're right, has nothing to do with highest tax increase, spending and debt in american history. It's in all in our heads.Do you have a source on this?

[BanginJimmy]

Do you have a source on this?

Tax increase is true only if Bush tax cuts expire. Debt and spending are impossible to refute.

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Tax increase is true only if Bush tax cuts expire. Debt and spending are impossible to refute.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2Still looking for a source, because everything Im seeing says we have the lowest tax rate in history, and that the highest tax increse in history was back in the mid 1910's

Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_ of_2001)

Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_and_Growth_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2 003)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/29/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-tax-rates-are-lowest-1950s-ceos-/

THE HISTORY OF TAXES: Here's How High Today's Rates Really Are - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates?op=1)

And as far as spending goes, I suppose you could be right if you're counting the 2008 bailouts and the costs of our military engagements.

[Vteckidd]

Do you have a source on this?

tax increase now, unless you factor in Obamacare which that is stretching it. Taxes are not all encompassing, you have to be specific about what you are talking about. INCOME tax wise , hes just extended the Bush Tax Cuts.

Income tax wise we are NOT at historic lows, that came under Reagan when we hit 28%? IIRC now we are at 35%.

Obama has to date NOT increased taxes on anyone individually.

SPending, he is alone as being the most spend happy president in history. He eclipsed George Bush in his forst 6 months

[BanginJimmy]

And as far as spending goes, I suppose you could be right if you're counting the 2008 bailouts and the costs of our military engagements.


Not counting the 2008 bailouts, counting all spending he has signed.

Obama campaign aides push debunked spending claim | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/29/obama-campaign-aides-push-debunked-spending-claim/)

[Sinfix_15]

tax increase now, unless you factor in Obamacare which that is stretching it. Taxes are not all encompassing, you have to be specific about what you are talking about. INCOME tax wise , hes just extended the Bush Tax Cuts.

Income tax wise we are NOT at historic lows, that came under Reagan when we hit 28%? IIRC now we are at 35%.

Obama has to date NOT increased taxes on anyone individually.

SPending, he is alone as being the most spend happy president in history. He eclipsed George Bush in his forst 6 months

Why wouldnt you call Obamacare a tax? and why wouldnt you call the steady increasing in cost of Obamacare a tax increase?

Not being sarcastic, real question.

[BanginJimmy]

Why wouldnt you call Obamacare a tax? and why wouldnt you call the steady increasing in cost of Obamacare a tax increase?

Not being sarcastic, real question.


legal BS aside, it isnt a tax, it is a fine.


The only real tax increases are going to companies. Those would be price increases, not tax increases, to the consumers.