so I had chick-fil-a this morning

[bodhi]

and wasn't aware that today was...


Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Baptist minister, declared Wednesday "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" to support a business "whose executives are willing to take a stand for the Godly values." Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who like Huckabee ran for president as a darling of social conservatives, joined the cause along with religious leaders.
"As the son of a dairy farmer who milked many a cow, I plan to `Eat Mor Chikin' and show my support by visiting Chick-fil-A next Wednesday," the Rev. Billy Graham said in a statement last week, referring to the slogan in the company's ads, which feature cows urging people to eat poultry.
People on the other side of the debate are planning to have same-sex kiss-in at some restaurant locations on Friday

Chick-Fil-A Supporters Gather for Appreciation Day - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664)


traditional marriage imo stinks. a bond should be between the person you love - you shouldn't be forced to love a gender that you simply aren't intrested in.

to be marked a beast for falling in love with a person of the same sex is just sad and even pathetic imo. why do people care so much about who you're banging? also, Iireally don't understand the whole "BUT CHICK-FIL-A SO GOOD" thing. it's fast food, not five star cuisine. zaxby's is 10x better if you want a replacement.

that or go to your local farmers market and buy yourself some fresh fish and wipe up a nice tomato shallot sauce.

homemade stuff is better anyway

[bodhi]

how you guys doing btw?

[.blank cd]

BOHDI! What's happnin you heathen?

::waiting for Christian apologists to show up::

[bodhi]

haha sup
i saw another thread that had a poll and for some reason Maniac was an option

i sorta miss that name


blackcd, you think if i pray that it will miraculously change?

[.blank cd]

Pray to the flying spaghetti monster (sauce be upon him). He gets shit done!

[Relentless]

I had 2 chicken biscuits with grape jelly this morning as well. I've been missing out.

[bodhi]

I had 2 chicken biscuits with grape jelly this morning as well. I've been missing out.

don't get me wrong, the spicy chicken sandwhich with mayo is dope but after today i dunno if i will go back.
people giving money to people who are literally giving some of it to groups, that are responsible for making young gay people and gay peoples lives in general a living hell is fucked up...

this isn't talking about some iphone factory in china with terrible working conditions, this is straight up loving over people in your own back yard.

do any of you have gay friends?

i have two and its bullshit that you're essentially giving money to the people that like to keep them in "therapy" centers and shame them back in the closet.
this regularly results in people going into extreme depression or suicide

[bodhi]

i'm so irrationally angry i can't coherently type out why this makes me angry


im raging over here i wish yall could see it

[Relentless]

Yes I have 2 as well (females) but I very rarely go to fast food joints, so its not really much of a difference if I stop buying there.

[.blank cd]

If you really wanna ragequit, wander over to the chick fil a post in the politics section. LMAO

[Relentless]

i'm so irrationally angry i can't coherently type out why this makes me angry


im raging over here i wish yall could see it
Lol. I'm more like "oh, well that sucks".

[DynamicSound]

I personally careless if people are gay or not (have a couple of friends) however Chick-Fil-A is a christian based business. It was started by Christians and ran by them which is obviously why they are closed on Sunday. So before this, did you think they were pro-gay? Common sense will tell you they are not along majority of businesses in the United States are not.

[bodhi]

at times like this i wish we had a superhero who wasn't afraid to stand up to organizations who believe same-marriage is the way to go and if you dig the same sex that you should be force to rip your own spine out and perform a self-hanging like in the ol' days.

this is more than "dur i eat chicken"

its so much more than that. luckily i only ever have a craving for chick-fil-a on sunday, so i never end up supporting them anyway today though i think the holy spirit got ahold of me

[bodhi]

I personally careless if people are gay or not (have a couple of friends) however Chick-Fil-A is a christian based business. It was started by Christians and ran by them which is obviously why they are closed on Sunday. So before this, did you think they were pro-gay? Common sense will tell you they are not along majority of businesses in the United States are not.

yeah phosho, these "christian values" chickfila is supporting are openly discriminatory

you shouldn't be allowed to hide intolerance behind "well i'm allowed to say what i want cause this is americuh"

all im really trying to say is

christianity in america once again shows that it is completely useless.

[Relentless]

today though i think the holy spirit got ahold of me
Lol

[DynamicSound]

Personally I think people in the US are too sensitive. If Popeye's came out and stated that they hate white people including putting signs on every store, I would still be in their drive-thru when I want some chicken. I could careless since it does not affect my life at all.

[bodhi]

Personally I think people in the US are too sensitive. If Popeye's came out and stated that they hate white people including putting signs on every store, I would still be in their drive-thru when I want some chicken. I could careless since it does not affect my life at all.

i think you meant to say "i couldn't careless"

yeah, i unduhstan you dont care. i wouldnt either if i didnt know any gays.

[DynamicSound]

i wouldnt either if i didnt know any gays.

So you have to know someone to care about them? LOL

[.blank cd]

You do not truly know someone, until you fight them. -Seraph

[CHADbee]

I'm an selfish asshole that doesn't care about anything that doesn't effect me, and I like chicken.

[Vteckidd]

Its fucking appreciation day. Not I HATE GAYS day. Quit making this an issue its nauseating

[bitchface]

i'm so irrationally angry i can't coherently type out why this makes me angry


im raging over here i wish yall could see it

The hypocrisy is that you are angry for another person for having an opinion. Just think about it for a while. They never said anything other than stating their opinion that they believe in the bible's version of marriage, not anti-gay remarks, just religious beliefs.

[98blackcivic]

i spent over $100 at chick-fila today
my money went to support traditional family values and conservative American fabric which is being torn by heathans!

[DynamicSound]

It was a huge turnout...

http://eater.com/uploads/chickfila-appreciation-day.jpg
http://waga.images.worldnow.com/images/19169550_BG1.jpg
http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/video/cavuto_huckabee_080112.jpg

I love some of the other companies responses...McDonald's being the best.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/wwjtd/files/2012/07/bill1a.jpg
https://p.twimg.com/AzE7J_kCIAATxZR.jpg

[Matt300ZXT]

I don't live in the greater Atlanta area like most of you, but live in Chattanooga. I work with the bread company that delivers the wheat buns and regular buns to Chik Fil A and the guys that run those are running out of buns like no one's business. The restaurants are calling in left and right needing more product and even though extra bread was added just for Chik Fil A. They've sent a supervisor down to Villa Ricca twice I think now to get more buns above and beyond the extra bread coming in. It's been on the local news how packed they are, how long the line is, and how backed up the highways and streets are around the locations here.

I fully support Chik Fil A 100%. I think if you're gay and you wanna bone other dudes/ladies, then go right ahead, but don't expect everyone to agree with you for being different. If you tried this mess in Iran, Egypt, or any of those Muslim countries, you would have been stoned to death loooooooong ago. So how bout you shut your mouths and just be happy the worst of your problems is either not being able to be married in most states, or the butt of an occasional joke. All the man said was he and his business were pro Christian and traditional values. He said nothing about fags going to hell or anything like that.

[Catnip]

and wasn't aware that today was...



Chick-Fil-A Supporters Gather for Appreciation Day - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664)


traditional marriage imo stinks. a bond should be between the person you love - you shouldn't be forced to love a gender that you simply aren't intrested in.

to be marked a beast for falling in love with a person of the same sex is just sad and even pathetic imo. why do people care so much about who you're banging? also, Iireally don't understand the whole "BUT CHICK-FIL-A SO GOOD" thing. it's fast food, not five star cuisine. zaxby's is 10x better if you want a replacement.

that or go to your local farmers market and buy yourself some fresh fish and wipe up a nice tomato shallot sauce.

homemade stuff is better anyway



Poppin' topic 2 weeks ago, bro. Tell it again as I didn't hear enough on facebook.

[Echonova]

haha sup
i saw another thread that had a poll and for some reason Maniac was an option

i sorta miss that name


blackcd, you think if i pray that it will miraculously change?Your prayers have been answered.

[green91]

You think every owner of every business in the world doesn't have opinions? I am glad that Mr Cathy voiced his opinions, whether or not anyone agrees with it. Put your money where your mouth is, don't eat there any more.

Plus, i can assure you pretty much all profitable businesses donate to organizations that you woulnd't appreciate. Its very commonplace.

All of this in additon to the fact that mr cathy hasn't said anything anti-homosexual. Only that his company supports the sanctity of a traditional family.

[bodhi]

heh


not a real success, but close enough

[bodhi]

gays have rights too


btw to that guy that said people in iran or some middle-eastern country would get stoned - yeah thats not true. cause believe it or not im culturalized and know people from pabna and noakhali and they don't believe in killing someone for being different.
you dont see hijras getting stoned in india now do you?

i guess people dont get beat up in high school for being different it's only outside the us, right? the country does not accept a person for being different. if you dont fit the usa image you're automatically classified a freak/weirdo/gay/etc. you get outcasted

catnipdork, facebook? LOL man i aint even gonna start...



i swear i could pimpsmack all yous if i wanted to with knowledge

[bodhi]

oh dynamicsound,

39 bucks for some hids? do you have um h11b (i think thats it) bulbs?

if so pm me

[green91]

gays have rights too


btw to that guy that said people in iran or some middle-eastern country would get stoned - yeah thats not true. cause believe it or not im culturalized and know people from pabna and noakhali and they don't believe in killing someone for being different.
you dont see hijras getting stoned in india now do you?




i swear i could pimpsmack all yous if i wanted to with knowledge

Two words: Sharia Law

[bodhi]

islam doesn't discriminat


there are extremist in every religion, dood.

[Matt300ZXT]

Wow you know two counties no one has ever heard of. Bangladesh is quite a bit different from the hardcore Muslim countries I mentioned. Look up to see how many people have been murdered in the "hardcore" Muslim countries I've mentioned for doing things against Allah's teachings, such as children outside of marriage, homosexuality, things along those lines. The point is, they see homosexuality as a sin and murder people for it. So gay people do have it quite a bit easier here by just being picked on or not being allowed to marry.

[Catnip]

catnipdork, facebook? LOL man i aint even gonna start...


Let me guess... your life is absolutely out of control with cool and grown up things, so you don't have time for facebook? Are you going to school me about how lame I am for having a facebook and conforming to what's in?

Whatever you say will probably go right over my head because you spew superiority and righteousness.

[bodhi]

Let me guess... your life is absolutely out of control with cool and grown up things, so you don't have time for facebook? Are you going to school me about how lame I am for having a facebook and conforming to what's in?

Whatever you say will probably go right over my head because you spew superiority and righteousness.

not exactly.

instead lemme say that facebook is a stupid tool to makes social interaction obsolete. its funny when i see two couples go out to eat but instead of chatting with one another they're too busy looking down at their phones looking like two quasimodos. instead of texting someone if they want to hangout they send them a facebook message so that other people see that you actually leave your house.
people post pictures of their vactions and are more worried about taking good pics than actually sitting down and relaxing.

relationships fall apart because of the bullshit that goes on in that shithole.

"why did you comment on her photo?"

see it's not about being an adult it's about being smart and staying true to reality. why would you put your entire information there like people actually give two fucks? i dont and neither do the rest of your "friends". so you like dr. seuss' green eggs and ham, big deal. im not trying to act mega cool saying that ive never agreed with it but it's always been lame to me.

now as a parent i dont like when i see people posting pics of their kids saying stuff like "i did it for my aunt who lives in virgina" so fucking what! send her mail with pics of your kid. if you have sisters/brothers who truely give a shit about your child they will come to your home and visit.

so no, kid. its not that im uber busy i just dont require stuff like that to keep me entertained.

i dont need a twitter, facebook, smartphone, etc

do you know how patheticly loserish people look when they're hunched over looking at their phone?! lemme check-in at mcdonalds or the varsity - cause people dont believe me that i go out. heh, people also ignore you in person. unlike facebook where they will say wassup and comment on your posts in person they will turn away and pretend like that didnt see you.
people are afraid of interaction nowadays. thats why so many relationships are shit and so many people break up even when they're parents. because of that stupid creation that so many of you brainless robots are so attracted to.

[bodhi]

Wow you know two counties no one has ever heard of. Bangladesh is quite a bit different from the hardcore Muslim countries I mentioned. Look up to see how many people have been murdered in the "hardcore" Muslim countries I've mentioned for doing things against Allah's teachings, such as children outside of marriage, homosexuality, things along those lines. The point is, they see homosexuality as a sin and murder people for it. So gay people do have it quite a bit easier here by just being picked on or not being allowed to marry.

by hardcore you mean extremists right?

have you ever gone to a muslim home and sat down to have dinner? i have and they are not like the media protrays them. every religion has their nutjobs who give the others a bad image. homosexuality in their country isn't accepted - it isn't accepted ANYWHERE. the united states sugarcoats everything by getting political with it unlike those "hardcore" countries that you listed. iran? i mean, what the fuck.

thats the same argument people use in politics about gays.

you guys have it easy here blah blah.

it's not a choice so for people to be punished because of how they were born is wrong!

[bodhi]

and if chick-fil-a wants to promote traditional-marriage or biblical tradition then they should at least quit sugarcoating and just come out and say gay marriage is nasty

people are so stupid sometimes.

to actually GO TO A FAST FOOD JOINT TO SUPPORT RETARDED THINGS! lol

anything related to religion has its evil, mind-controlling ceo

just like that eddie long douche who uses church money to buy his steroids. that cunt has a black amex in his wallet too! a fuckin pastor who uses religon to drive fancy cars and to eat out with his family at fancy joints. curious how i know about that black amex? i was his server when he came to eat at the restaurant that i work at. thanks for the 15% tip assfuck.

[bodhi]

Wow you know two counties no one has ever heard of. Bangladesh is quite a bit different from the hardcore Muslim countries I mentioned. .

btw dipshit, you said
I think if you're gay and you wanna bone other dudes/ladies, then go right ahead, but don't expect everyone to agree with you for being different. If you tried this mess in Iran, Egypt, or any of those Muslim countries, you would have been stoned to death loooooooong ago. So how bout you shut your mouths and just be happy the worst of your problems is either not being able to be married in most states, or the butt of an occasional joke.

"or any of those Muslim countries"

india and middle-eastern countries have hijras. do you know what a hijra is? here let help you out Google (http://www.google.com)

[TIGERJC]

I think I need to jump on the bandwagon to profit off of religious people. Time to team up with Mel Gibson to make The Passion of the Christ sequel - The Return of the Passion, when loving god never felt so GOOOD

[.blank cd]

btw dipshit, you said

"or any of those Muslim countries"

india and middle-eastern countries have hijras. do you know what a hijra is? here let help you out Google (http://www.google.com)

Don't expect devout believers to know much about the world around them

[S4saken]

gays have rights too


btw to that guy that said people in iran or some middle-eastern country would get stoned - yeah thats not true. cause believe it or not im culturalized and know people from pabna and noakhali and they don't believe in killing someone for being different.
you dont see hijras getting stoned in india now do you?

i guess people dont get beat up in high school for being different it's only outside the us, right? the country does not accept a person for being different. if you dont fit the usa image you're automatically classified a freak/weirdo/gay/etc. you get outcasted

catnipdork, facebook? LOL man i aint even gonna start...



i swear i could pimpsmack all yous if i wanted to with knowledge
No one is taking away gay's rights. Let me know when one of your gay friends get denied service at a Chick-fil-a. I bet your friend could go in holding hands and still come out holding a chicken sandwich and some waffle fries. No one gives a shit if your gay.

[bodhi]

the funny thing about this is the kind of people you're gonna find packing those lines are gonna b middle-aged to elderly white men/women wearing button-up shirts and slacks like they're about to go to bible study...

from the looks of it not many people know what exactly is goin on. people aren't upset by their opinions, or if they're gonna get served a number 2 with waffle fries, people are upset with their ACTIONS. donating 9 million dollars to anti gay groups over 4 years is not an opinion

that translates to "fuck gays"


"i'd sell my soul for a chicken sandwich." - America

[C230K]

I love turtles

[David88vert]

No one is taking away gay's rights. Let me know when one of your gay friends get denied service at a Chick-fil-a. I bet your friend could go in holding hands and still come out holding a chicken sandwich and some waffle fries. No one gives a shit if your gay.



On Friday, a lot of gays are planning to go to Chick-Fil-A just to kiss. Chick-Fil-A will still serve them like normal.

[BanginJimmy]

the funny thing about this is the kind of people you're gonna find packing those lines are gonna b middle-aged to elderly white men/women wearing button-up shirts and slacks like they're about to go to bible study...

Black guy I work with took up a collection and went to CFA and bought like 100 sammiches.



Something I find funny. You have a huge problem with a business owner stating his opinion, which has zero effect on their service, but I dont see a mention of the Chicago Alderman or the Boston Mayor. Those 2 morons are going to use their influence to prevent CFA from opening stores. Is it OK for them to deny a business license based on an opinion? Would it also be OK for a politician to use his/her influence to deny a govt contract to a company because its CEO is a Dem or GOP?

[Catnip]

the funny thing about this is the kind of people you're gonna find packing those lines are gonna b middle-aged to elderly white men/women wearing button-up shirts and slacks like they're about to go to bible study...

from the looks of it not many people know what exactly is goin on. people aren't upset by their opinions, or if they're gonna get served a number 2 with waffle fries, people are upset with their ACTIONS. donating 9 million dollars to anti gay groups over 4 years is not an opinion

that translates to "fuck gays"

Shows how ignorant you are.

[Catnip]

not exactly.

instead lemme say that facebook is a stupid tool to makes social interaction obsolete. its funny when i see two couples go out to eat but instead of chatting with one another they're too busy looking down at their phones looking like two quasimodos. instead of texting someone if they want to hangout they send them a facebook message so that other people see that you actually leave your house.
people post pictures of their vactions and are more worried about taking good pics than actually sitting down and relaxing.

relationships fall apart because of the bullshit that goes on in that shithole.

"why did you comment on her photo?"

see it's not about being an adult it's about being smart and staying true to reality. why would you put your entire information there like people actually give two fucks? i dont and neither do the rest of your "friends". so you like dr. seuss' green eggs and ham, big deal. im not trying to act mega cool saying that ive never agreed with it but it's always been lame to me.

now as a parent i dont like when i see people posting pics of their kids saying stuff like "i did it for my aunt who lives in virgina" so fucking what! send her mail with pics of your kid. if you have sisters/brothers who truely give a shit about your child they will come to your home and visit.

so no, kid. its not that im uber busy i just dont require stuff like that to keep me entertained.

i dont need a twitter, facebook, smartphone, etc

do you know how patheticly loserish people look when they're hunched over looking at their phone?! lemme check-in at mcdonalds or the varsity - cause people dont believe me that i go out. heh, people also ignore you in person. unlike facebook where they will say wassup and comment on your posts in person they will turn away and pretend like that didnt see you.
people are afraid of interaction nowadays. thats why so many relationships are shit and so many people break up even when they're parents. because of that stupid creation that so many of you brainless robots are so attracted to.

Shitty relationships because facebook? LOL. Lets blame that on low morals and lack of respect. Maybe you should be less boring when you speak, so that people want to listen... or maybe better company.

But looks like I hit that nail on the head.

[DynamicSound]

oh dynamicsound,

39 bucks for some hids? do you have um h11b (i think thats it) bulbs?

if so pm me

We have the son...$35 no warranty and $55 with a 2 year warranty. lol

[B20v]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUmoTOujJ7Q

this to me makes the most sense...if you like it you like it, if you don't you don't..they're not gonna flip cause they lose one customer over the owners opinion.

[bodhi]

Black guy I work with took up a collection and went to CFA and bought like 100 sammiches.



Something I find funny. You have a huge problem with a business owner stating his opinion, which has zero effect on their service, but I dont see a mention of the Chicago Alderman or the Boston Mayor. Those 2 morons are going to use their influence to prevent CFA from opening stores. Is it OK for them to deny a business license based on an opinion? Would it also be OK for a politician to use his/her influence to deny a govt contract to a company because its CEO is a Dem or GOP?
everyone has a right to an opinion and thats fine, but when they start using your money to support groups that were created to putting a stop to homosexuality - a lifestyle that you have no power over is just plain stupid.

i could not possibly give less of a gently handjob what any CEO's opinions on any given matter are, just as I could not possibly give any less of a gently taintlicking what any celebrity's opinions on any given matter are. but when a CEO chooses to force those opinions into the public spotlight, then that CEO has to be prepared for backlash from those who disagree with him or her.
for myself, i'm not going to be spending money at chick-fil-a anymore. i'm going to take a few hundred out of my next paycheck and send it in to whatever local equality/gay rights group i can find.

maybe i'll just use it to buy a booth at next year's pridefest where i set up a bunch of cardboard cutout cows with signs that read "EAT MOR COK". that's funny right? cows who paint words on billboards all wrong - sorta like a 4 year old.

free speech is not the same as speech without consequence.

politically the one who says what the people want to hear will get the most votes. even if that president or anyone who is involved in politics has a gay brother - they will never support it because that's going against god, the united states, the people, the founding fathers... so politically what those mayors are doing is a great strategy.

[bodhi]

Shows how ignorant you are.

ignorant?

bro, do you even know what that word means? you would think that over the years you would develop a little bit of intelligence, but you're still the clueless little dummy that you've always been.

first of all, instead of calling me ignorant how about you post up WHY you think that and counter with brilliance.

can you do that?


or should i expect you to continue to throw pre-emptive strikes on yourself? "hold on alex, lemme guess you're gonna call me lame and tarded huh?" that has always been your way of claiming victory over someone. instead of standing your ground you curl up into your pathetic shell like a little disgusting snail

[bodhi]

Shitty relationships because facebook? LOL. Lets blame that on low morals and lack of respect. Maybe you should be less boring when you speak, so that people want to listen... or maybe better company.

But looks like I hit that nail on the head.

again, you have nothing to add to shit.

didn't your relationship with bri get a little heated on facebook? information was getting thrown out there and people knew everything that you two rugrats were agruing about? it even hit IA didn't it? facebook was designed to trap immature lil fucks in a delusional world where everyone "likes" what you say. you think people who arent on facebook are boring? im an extrememly charismatic person, evan.

now that ive grown and am a little bit more knowledgable on life i can talk for days. i can chat with a random person about all sorts of things...things people on facebook wouldnt give a fuck about. so nah stupid, it's not that im boring it's that ive evolved into something more and don't require internet interaction or internet acceptance. i dont need to prove to random people how cool life has been to me, how cool my daughter has grown into, how nice my bank account looks.

so no. you havent hit anything on the head.

instead of trying to prove yourself to me how about you just ignore my posts, my threads and quit trying to get me to notice you. you've always been a buzzing fly when im around. i bet back then you wish you could've chilled with me...i kinda wished we did just so i could have clowned on you face to face. heh, im the ignorant one though right? cause i think ceo's who spend millions on groups who are against gays are evil and because i dont use facebook?

please, it's been how many years that you've tried to win something over me?

for once give me a nice battle.

or don't i really don't care.

[bodhi]

back in the day, the kkk used to run orphanages, fairs, and widows support networks... it was a nice facade of charity over the targeted and brutal campaign to subjugate entire races of people who they considered less human

the violence and bigotry against someone who is gay, or perceived to be gay is very similarly supported by the "charitable" groups. those people are ostracized, told they are going to hell, and blamed for something that is entirely outside their control.

young people are beaten within an inch of their life. some, like that matthew shepard are brutalized and then killed. if someone can't see the similarity between a teenager dragged to death behind a truck because he accidentally hit on a straight guy, and a black man strung up in a tree because he whistled at a white girl, then i don't know what can drive that point home any further... maybe what that 300zx guy from chattanooga said isn't right after all... only outside the u.s do people get killed for being gay. right.

a lot of ugly shit in society gets a blind eye turned because people rarely have had to stand up for their moral convictions. it's easier to plead minor inconvenience because they don't know what to do in the face of something they worry is wrong

i have a gay uncle and he's real cool. he lives in california and one of my favorite uncles. and i have two gay friends who too are cool as hell, who have told me stories about their sexuality and how they've always known they were gay - even as young children.
homosexuality from a normal person's perspective is gross. i wouldn't want to get head by some dude, hell no that's fuck gross! but if that person is gay and finds another gay who makes him happy then who is anyone to get in the way of their happiness?

[RL...]

Religion is useless and counterproductive to the forward progression of ours species. /thread

[Sinfix_15]

and wasn't aware that today was...



Chick-Fil-A Supporters Gather for Appreciation Day - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/chick-fil-supporters-gather-appreciation-day/story?id=16904664)


traditional marriage imo stinks. a bond should be between the person you love - you shouldn't be forced to love a gender that you simply aren't intrested in.

to be marked a beast for falling in love with a person of the same sex is just sad and even pathetic imo. why do people care so much about who you're banging? also, Iireally don't understand the whole "BUT CHICK-FIL-A SO GOOD" thing. it's fast food, not five star cuisine. zaxby's is 10x better if you want a replacement.

that or go to your local farmers market and buy yourself some fresh fish and wipe up a nice tomato shallot sauce.

homemade stuff is better anyway

Zaxbys is not better than Chick-fil-a..................................

that is all.

[Sinfix_15]

back in the day, the kkk used to run orphanages, fairs, and widows support networks... it was a nice facade of charity over the targeted and brutal campaign to subjugate entire races of people who they considered less human

the violence and bigotry against someone who is gay, or perceived to be gay is very similarly supported by the "charitable" groups. those people are ostracized, told they are going to hell, and blamed for something that is entirely outside their control.

young people are beaten within an inch of their life. some, like that matthew shepard are brutalized and then killed. if someone can't see the similarity between a teenager dragged to death behind a truck because he accidentally hit on a straight guy, and a black man strung up in a tree because he whistled at a white girl, then i don't know what can drive that point home any further... maybe what that 300zx guy from chattanooga said isn't right after all... only outside the u.s do people get killed for being gay. right.

a lot of ugly shit in society gets a blind eye turned because people rarely have had to stand up for their moral convictions. it's easier to plead minor inconvenience because they don't know what to do in the face of something they worry is wrong

i have a gay uncle and he's real cool. he lives in california and one of my favorite uncles. and i have two gay friends who too are cool as hell, who have told me stories about their sexuality and how they've always known they were gay - even as young children.
homosexuality from a normal person's perspective is gross. i wouldn't want to get head by some dude, hell no that's fuck gross! but if that person is gay and finds another gay who makes him happy then who is anyone to get in the way of their happiness?

I dont think anyone has a problem with gay people being together, but why do they have to change the definition of the marriage tradition? So, gay people should be able to participate in a christian union ceremony and be wed by a priest? even though their union goes against everything they stand for?

I'm in favor of gay couples getting marriage rights and benefits, but.... the christian ceremony of marriage should not be changed to accommodate their beliefs. I have no problem with gay people, but they need to give the same respect theyre asking for. You want the right to be openly gay and be respected, then respect the beliefs of christians and dont seek to redefine one of their traditions. Marriage is a union between man and woman, its not for you. Are you entitled to the same benefits these people receive? absolutely.... but quit expecting the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you. Marriage isnt for you, find something that is.

[David88vert]

back in the day, the kkk used to run orphanages, fairs, and widows support networks... it was a nice facade of charity over the targeted and brutal campaign to subjugate entire races of people who they considered less human

the violence and bigotry against someone who is gay, or perceived to be gay is very similarly supported by the "charitable" groups. those people are ostracized, told they are going to hell, and blamed for something that is entirely outside their control.

young people are beaten within an inch of their life. some, like that matthew shepard are brutalized and then killed. if someone can't see the similarity between a teenager dragged to death behind a truck because he accidentally hit on a straight guy, and a black man strung up in a tree because he whistled at a white girl, then i don't know what can drive that point home any further... maybe what that 300zx guy from chattanooga said isn't right after all... only outside the u.s do people get killed for being gay. right.

a lot of ugly shit in society gets a blind eye turned because people rarely have had to stand up for their moral convictions. it's easier to plead minor inconvenience because they don't know what to do in the face of something they worry is wrong

i have a gay uncle and he's real cool. he lives in california and one of my favorite uncles. and i have two gay friends who too are cool as hell, who have told me stories about their sexuality and how they've always known they were gay - even as young children.
homosexuality from a normal person's perspective is gross. i wouldn't want to get head by some dude, hell no that's fuck gross! but if that person is gay and finds another gay who makes him happy then who is anyone to get in the way of their happiness?



Are you trying to claim that Matthew Shepard was killed by an organization that receives donations from Chick-Fil-A? Do you have specific information that Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson were part of one of these charitable organizations?
Additionally, are you aware that they were accused of pretending to be gay to get Matthew Shepard to let them give him a ride home, and that they beat him, then took his home address planning to rob his home? That doesn't sound very homophobic.

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Religion is useless and counterproductive to the forward progression of our species. /thread

Quoted For Truth

[roxie911]

Personally, I don't even like Chick-fil-a, so yesterday meant absolutely nothing to me. I had Zaxby's and it was 10x better. I only ever eat CFA when I have to.

Is it a surprise to me that they're so stuck on Christian values and the "sanctity of marriage"? No. What did shock me was Cathy's decision to be THAT vocal about that one specific topic. Yes, people are entitled to their own opinions, but you know when your voice will be heard a little louder than others'. Just like the people saying that they don't want to see gay people "being gay" around them, they probably don't wanna hear about your distaste for it or how you don't believe in what they do/feel because the bible says so...whether or not it actually DOES never matters, and you all know that.

Do I think people should boycott Chick-fil-a? Uh no. Just because the CEO says something, doesn't mean all the employees think and feel the same way. They have to make a living, as well, and going against the whole business is just gonna hurt them. We all know a few people boycotting the business isn't gonna shut them down, so it's pointless to waste the effort. Frankly, I am a little disappointed in his decision to make this a main focus for public view when he could be using his publicity and money towards something MUCH better and MUCH more important. I'm sure helping the sick and hungry would be much higher on God's list than voicing your opinion on gay marriage.

I'm not a believer in the bible AT ALL, but if you wanna come to me and start expressing your views, then I'll express mine. Other than that, there's no need to say anything. Just because you have the RIGHT to do something, doesn't mean you always should.

[Relentless]

I just like the chicken biscuits for breakfast every now & then, with a lil grape jelly. Mmmm

[Sinfix_15]

Personally, I don't even like Chick-fil-a, so yesterday meant absolutely nothing to me. I had Zaxby's and it was 10x better. I only ever eat CFA when I have to.

Is it a surprise to me that they're so stuck on Christian values and the "sanctity of marriage"? No. What did shock me was Cathy's decision to be THAT vocal about that one specific topic. Yes, people are entitled to their own opinions, but you know when your voice will be heard a little louder than others'. Just like the people saying that they don't want to see gay people "being gay" around them, they probably don't wanna hear about your distaste for it or how you don't believe in what they do/feel because the bible says so...whether or not it actually DOES never matters, and you all know that.

Do I think people should boycott Chick-fil-a? Uh no. Just because the CEO says something, doesn't mean all the employees think and feel the same way. They have to make a living, as well, and going against the whole business is just gonna hurt them. We all know a few people boycotting the business isn't gonna shut them down, so it's pointless to waste the effort. Frankly, I am a little disappointed in his decision to make this a main focus for public view when he could be using his publicity and money towards something MUCH better and MUCH more important. I'm sure helping the sick and hungry would be much higher on God's list than voicing your opinion on gay marriage.

I'm not a believer in the bible AT ALL, but if you wanna come to me and start expressing your views, then I'll express mine. Other than that, there's no need to say anything. Just because you have the RIGHT to do something, doesn't mean you always should.

idk...... look at the 10 commandments, says a lot about things that effect the public image of christianity and nothing about feeding hungry or helping sick.

And Zaxbys is NOT better than Chick-fil-a.... they have better sides and such, but chicken vs chicken.... CFA dominates! I might go to CFA today and get a couple boxes of chicken, carry them over the zaxbys and order some fries and a salad.

[DynamicSound]

IMO Zaxby's is much better...the only thing I ever liked at CFA was the chicken breakfast burrito.

[roxie911]

TO ME, yes, Zaxby's is better and will always be better. CFA is disgusting.

[Sinfix_15]

TO ME, yes, Zaxby's is better and will always be better. CFA is disgusting.

blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CHADbee]

CFA is disgusting.

Hey now, that is taking it a little too far.

[RL...]

CHAD dont take no crap from NOBODY.

[Sammich]

lol zaxby's is better, but CFA is not disgusting...you trippin

[RL...]

Zaxbys vs. Chik Fil A....that's a tough one. I'd probably go with zaxbys being better since they have wings and badass toast.

[Sammich]

yea...not to mention more selection as well...zaxby's just taste better all the way around. but i fux w/ chic fil a

[roxie911]

lol zaxby's is better, but CFA is not disgusting...you trippin

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23820528.jpg

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Zaxbys is good, but CFA has the better fries. This is not debatable.

[nelson9995]

captain ds!!!!

[CHADbee]

captain ds!!!!

Now...THAT...is GROSE.

[Sammich]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23820528.jpg

LMFAO better watch that tone


captain ds!!!!


Now...THAT...is GROSE.

why are you hatin on gays chad LMFAO

[ISAtlanta300]

Zaxby's is allright. But overpriced. Chick Fil A 5 piece chicken strips with polynesian and waffle fries makes me happy.

[Genji-Sama]

Religion is useless and counterproductive to the forward progression of ours species. /thread

I can't agree here. Religion follows the same guideline as most thing "better in moderation", I grew up in a somewhat hostile environment, with a crap ton of horrible influences, and religion was the tool that created my moral compass (and a lil bit good parenting), but mostly religion. When i turned 13 i realized they started to sound like fairy tales and my parents allowed me to stop attending church with them and i haven't found it in myself to go back. However, I do realize most children trying to walk away from religion won't get to this easily and generally religion is counterproductive, but i wouldn't say useless

And zaxby's is better in every regard...except price :goodjob:

[C230K]

I am not going to read everything said here but here I go. From what I understand The owner from chick fil a Cathy made a statement that outraged the gay community. My response is so what...Let the man voice his opinion. I feel sometimes that these gay people is forcing society to accept them. I have nothing against them, its just that their approach sometimes I do not agree. Tomorrow they are going to CFA and display affection at the restaurant...Really.. no Serously? Many people go to CFA and eat there with their family. For kids to see some shit like that it not ok. Call me what you want, but keep your shit behind closed doors. If my family or kids had to see 2 dudes kissing while we are eating there enjoying my chicken sandwich and waffle fries, my temper would get the best of me

[.blank cd]

For kids to see some shit like that it not ok. Call me what you want, but keep your shit behind closed doors. If my family or kids had to see 2 dudes kissing while we are eating there enjoying my chicken sandwich and waffle fries, my temper would get the best of meWould you be equally as outraged to see a guy and a girl kissing in public?

[Catnip]

ignorant?

bro, do you even know what that word means? you would think that over the years you would develop a little bit of intelligence, but you're still the clueless little dummy that you've always been.

first of all, instead of calling me ignorant how about you post up WHY you think that and counter with brilliance.

can you do that?


or should i expect you to continue to throw pre-emptive strikes on yourself? "hold on alex, lemme guess you're gonna call me lame and tarded huh?" that has always been your way of claiming victory over someone. instead of standing your ground you curl up into your pathetic shell like a little disgusting snail

You caught me. I have no idea what ignorant means.

I misused ignorant when I said you're ignorant because you think being a christian means, "fuck gays."

Christians support a traditional family, not a homosexual relationship. Christians are supposed to love everyone equally and pray for the lost. A different view and supporting that view, than that of a homosexual, doesn't mean, "fuck gays." It means christians believe what they believe and homosexuals believe what they believe. If a homosexual attends a gay pride march, it's no different than a christian donating to a christian organization that doesn't support gay marriages.

If you can't get a grasp on that, then it would be a waste of time to try to further explain it.


LOL. Those pre emptive strikes at myself were a mockery of you, silly. Didn't catch that, or does the narcissism not compute those things?


again, you have nothing to add to shit.

didn't your relationship with bri get a little heated on facebook? information was getting thrown out there and people knew everything that you two rugrats were agruing about? it even hit IA didn't it? facebook was designed to trap immature lil fucks in a delusional world where everyone "likes" what you say. you think people who arent on facebook are boring? im an extrememly charismatic person, evan.

now that ive grown and am a little bit more knowledgable on life i can talk for days. i can chat with a random person about all sorts of things...things people on facebook wouldnt give a fuck about. so nah stupid, it's not that im boring it's that ive evolved into something more and don't require internet interaction or internet acceptance. i dont need to prove to random people how cool life has been to me, how cool my daughter has grown into, how nice my bank account looks.

so no. you havent hit anything on the head.

instead of trying to prove yourself to me how about you just ignore my posts, my threads and quit trying to get me to notice you. you've always been a buzzing fly when im around. i bet back then you wish you could've chilled with me...i kinda wished we did just so i could have clowned on you face to face. heh, im the ignorant one though right? cause i think ceo's who spend millions on groups who are against gays are evil and because i dont use facebook?

please, it's been how many years that you've tried to win something over me?

for once give me a nice battle.

or don't i really don't care.


Bri is a prime example of lack of respect and low morals. Thanks for further proving everything I said.

[clumsy_smurf]

id have to say CFL is good food all around but after they told me they couldnt hire me because of my religion i will never eat there again or support them in anyway

[Got Milk?]

I'll stay positive, mature as much as possible. I'm against homosexuality for one, not gonna go into details on that. Before someone brings religious play to this, beware that I don't believe in that crap. And all you bitches crying about not going back there for food is a complete lie, stop lying to yourself, we love that chicken. They are supporting groups that make homosexual lives a living hell, big deal. Our taxes we pay each day ruin billions of lives on yearly basis.

And for all you Christians, if you truly believe in your religion, believe it 100%. One of your strong beliefs is: If you rape a women you're supposed to marry her. If your brother marries a women, and your brother dies, it is your duty to marry that women. So believe in all your shit, dont use your stupid religion just to support your hate.

[clumsy_smurf]

i know im not going back lol. id rather eat zaxbys or damn mcdonalds

[Got Milk?]

i know im not going back lol. id rather eat zaxbys or damn mcdonalds

Amen to that brother, Jesus supports your decision.


Either way, like someone stated, if it doesnt affect me, I could care less about it. I got my personal problems to worry about. As far as fast food places, I havent been at one in over a year, home cooked food is where it's at.

[C230K]

Would you be equally as outraged to see a guy and a girl kissing in public?

I wouldnt be outrage, but CFA kinda being a place where many families go and kids, I would not find it appropriate

[S4saken]

Would you be equally as outraged to see a guy and a girl kissing in public?

It depends if it's a simple kiss or all out making out. I wouldn't want my kids seeing 2 dudes, 2 girls or a dude and a girl making out, shit seeing a couple hold hands irritates me.

[Catnip]

Religion is useless and counterproductive to the forward progression of ours species. /thread


1 dude + 1 dude

or

1 chick + 1 chick = no species


:D


Had to, lol.

[bookthief]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaah ***Exits***

[Genji-Sama]

I wouldnt be outrage, but CFA kinda being a place where many families go and kids, I would not find it appropriate

You kinda discredited ur argument here. Even i would be a lil pissed if i saw two dudes makin out in CFA and my family was with me, but i'd also be pissed if i saw a hetero couple doing the same thing. Now if it was just a peck, i'd admit it'd be a little awkward explaining to my little sister what she just saw, but realistically most children these days now already anyway. Regardless, ur stance on "gay rights" doesn't seem to be much different than the fanatic religist, you just lack the religion :goodjob: kudos on that, tho

[ruah_23]

I'll stay positive, mature as much as possible. I'm against homosexuality for one, not gonna go into details on that. Before someone brings religious play to this, beware that I don't believe in that crap. And all you bitches crying about not going back there for food is a complete lie, stop lying to yourself, we love that chicken. They are supporting groups that make homosexual lives a living hell, big deal. Our taxes we pay each day ruin billions of lives on yearly basis.

And for all you Christians, if you truly believe in your religion, believe it 100%. One of your strong beliefs is: If you rape a women you're supposed to marry her. If your brother marries a women, and your brother dies, it is your duty to marry that women. So believe in all your shit, dont use your stupid religion just to support your hate.

Ill lmao at some of you if i bumped into you at CFA!

[David88vert]

id have to say CFL is good food all around but after they told me they couldnt hire me because of my religion i will never eat there again or support them in anyway

If you have any documentation of that (i.e. - recording, paperwork stating it, etc), you need to get with a lawyer (not IA), and discuss if you possibly have a case.
Very few corporations would state that they wouldn't hire because of religion, as they aren't even supposed to ask about it.
U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Equal Employment Opportunity - Ethnic/National Origin (http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/discrimination/ethnicdisc.htm)
Employment Law Guide - Employment Nondiscrimination and Equal Opportunity in Supply and Service Contracts (http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/discrim.htm)
Illegal Interview Questions (http://jobsearch.about.com/od/interviewsnetworking/a/illegalinterv.htm)

[clumsy_smurf]

If you have any documentation of that (i.e. - recording, paperwork stating it, etc), you need to get with a lawyer (not IA), and discuss if you possibly have a case.
Very few corporations would state that they wouldn't hire because of religion, as they aren't even supposed to ask about it.
U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Equal Employment Opportunity - Ethnic/National Origin (http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/discrimination/ethnicdisc.htm)
Employment Law Guide - Employment Nondiscrimination and Equal Opportunity in Supply and Service Contracts (http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/discrim.htm)
Illegal Interview Questions (http://jobsearch.about.com/od/interviewsnetworking/a/illegalinterv.htm)

i already tried to push it but i didnt have a single lick of proof that they said it so i couldnt do anything about it. now if i would of known they would of told me that then hel yea i would of worn a wire haha!

[ISAtlanta300]

id have to say CFL is good food all around but after they told me they couldnt hire me because of my religion i will never eat there again or support them in anyway

I doubt they did that and if this is true you would be banking now. They can't discriminate you on hiring due to your religion. Must have been something else.

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You guys forget, this is GA. They can discriminate all they want as long as they cover it up by saying "he didn't meet the qualifications." I'm sure they didn't come outright and say "we can't hire you cause you're not Christian. Right to work state.....

[BanginJimmy]

everyone has a right to an opinion and thats fine, but when they start using your money to support groups that were created to putting a stop to homosexuality - a lifestyle that you have no power over is just plain stupid.

They didnt use your money, they used their own money. I'm no even going to look up the groups that Cathy donates money to as they are nothing more than a a side issue. What matters is how they treat their customers. I cant honestly think of a single case in which I have heard complaints about CFA service.





i could not possibly give less of a gently handjob what any CEO's opinions on any given matter are, just as I could not possibly give any less of a gently taintlicking what any celebrity's opinions on any given matter are. but when a CEO chooses to force those opinions into the public spotlight, then that CEO has to be prepared for backlash from those who disagree with him or her.
for myself, i'm not going to be spending money at chick-fil-a anymore. i'm going to take a few hundred out of my next paycheck and send it in to whatever local equality/gay rights group i can find.

maybe i'll just use it to buy a booth at next year's pridefest where i set up a bunch of cardboard cutout cows with signs that read "EAT MOR COK". that's funny right? cows who paint words on billboards all wrong - sorta like a 4 year old.

free speech is not the same as speech without consequence.

politically the one who says what the people want to hear will get the most votes. even if that president or anyone who is involved in politics has a gay brother - they will never support it because that's going against god, the united states, the people, the founding fathers... so politically what those mayors are doing is a great strategy.


You didnt answer my other question though.

Is it ok for a public official to use his or her influence to hurt a business because of the opinion of its CEO?

[BanginJimmy]

You guys forget, this is GA. They can discriminate all they want as long as they cover it up by saying "he didn't meet the qualifications." I'm sure they didn't come outright and say "we can't hire you cause you're not Christian. Right to work state.....

How is this any different than any other state?


And I think Clumsy is full of shit anyways.

[Sammich]

How is this any different than any other state?


And I think Clumsy is full of shit anyways.
QFT every state/company does this

[Austin?]

After reading this thread I'm gonna go EAT MOR CHiKIN!

[C230K]

So who from IA took their same sex partner and showed affection at CFA today?

[BanginJimmy]

So who from IA took their same sex partner and showed affection at CFA today?

I took rosie and all 5 of her sisters.

[BanginJimmy]

I bet this guy thins he should have kept his mouth shut.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLNgkP9nzc

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I bet this guy thins he should have kept his mouth shut.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLNgkP9nzc

That guy is a douchebag, and I hope to bacon that the media doesn't get a hold of that and spin it to make all gays/atheists look bad.

[BanginJimmy]

That guy is a douchebag, and I hope to bacon that the media doesn't get a hold of that and spin it to make all gays/atheists look bad.

We agree on something. The guy lost his job as CFO of a medical apparatus company.

[nelson9995]

Guy in the video is an idiot. I would have probably got fired after the third time of telling him have a nice day.

[Elbow]

I bet this guy thins he should have kept his mouth shut.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLNgkP9nzc

What an idiot.

[.blank cd]

We agree on something. The guy lost his job as CFO of a medical apparatus company.

Did he really lose his job??? Lol.

[keevo54]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2psKXqKpWSo


Truthfully dont see what was so bad about what he said but oh well. Dumb ass shoulda kept his mouth shut

[BanginJimmy]

Did he really lose his job??? Lol.

Yes he did. The same day or next day he was fired.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2psKXqKpWSo


Truthfully dont see what was so bad about what he said but oh well. Dumb ass shoulda kept his mouth shut


You dont see what is wrong with harassing someone about a policy they have no control over?

Why do you think he should have kept his mouth shut if you think he was correct in what he said?

[Vteckidd]

Did he really lose his job??? Lol.

yeah they fired him same day.

Ironic that this guy harassing the Chick Fil A worker is "idiotic" but the OWS people heckling the stock traders on the way to work was "acceptable"?

Its a dumb dumb dumb issue and im tired of hearing about it. If you thin CFA is wrong DONT EAT THERE. PERIOD. There is no RIGHT to marry, no ones civil rights are being violated, if you dont agree with their religious doctrine dont follow it.

Do you guys realize that like 3 months ago Obama was JUST A BiG OF A "BIGOT" as Dan Cathy was because he believed the SAME THING?

The "selective" moral outrage just pisses me off, this is the dumbest argument that people get caught up in. Now we are talking about HATE SPEECH being funded by CFA because they believe in "traditional marriage". its the most retarded argument i have ever heard of

[Sinfix_15]

I want to punch the guy from the video in the face. What a fucking doucbebag sack of shit.

I dont care what chick-fil-a believes in politically. They are easily one of the most consistent businesses ive ever seen. Chick-fil-a is probably the only drive thru place in Georgia where you never have to worry about pulling up to the menu to hear "whachu want" or "go head wit yo order". They are ALWAYS friendly and polite.... ALWAYS...... ive never caught them slipping. Whether you like their food or not, they have the perfect business model. They provide a product that is exactly the same every single time you order it, theyre fast and relentlessly friendly.

[C230K]

Poor lady, she is just doing her job and to hear an asshole preach about blah blah blah. Does he really think she give a flying fuck what he thinks about CFA? I would of done a fire in the hole into his car:)

[DynamicSound]

I think he wanted some type of reaction from an employee so he would have it on camera and turn it into an anti-gay thing...like if she said get outta here homo, etc.

[RandomGuy]

http://i.imgur.com/lDCTP.png

[keevo54]

You dont see what is wrong with harassing someone about a policy they have no control over?

Why do you think he should have kept his mouth shut if you think he was correct in what he said?

I mean I would have never said shit. Just like I dont get upset with CSR bc they arent usually the ones that screwed something up when something goes wrong. Maybe I didnt pay attention enough to the video but it seemed like more of a rant than harassing the lady directly. Although he said she deserves better which is prolly true bc she handled it like a champ

[bodhi]

success


lols this went just as planned.

[bodhi]

1 dude + 1 dude

or

1 chick + 1 chick = no species


:D


Had to, lol.

had to... what?

show how stupid you actually are?

you do know gay people are born from straight couples... right?

if you place all the gays in one location and nuke 'em, there will continue to be gays the following year.

wait...

lol so you didn't know homosexuality was an abnormality that occurs genetically? you think people one day wake up and transform into a dick-tucking queen?

lol you "had to".


that's too funny.

[green91]

lol so you didn't know homosexuality was an abnormality that occurs genetically? you think people one day wake up and transform into a dick-tucking queen?


LOL so you didn't know that homosexuality being genetic is only a HYPOTHESIS and not proven scientically? LOL

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LOL so you didn't know that homosexuality being genetic is only a HYPOTHESIS and not proven scientically? LOL

Scientific theory. Which means there is evidence supporting genetic and hormonal factors.

[Catnip]

had to... what?

show how stupid you actually are?

you do know gay people are born from straight couples... right?

if you place all the gays in one location and nuke 'em, there will continue to be gays the following year.

wait...

lol so you didn't know homosexuality was an abnormality that occurs genetically? you think people one day wake up and transform into a dick-tucking queen?

lol you "had to".


that's too funny.


Wait.

You're telling me that not only can gay people have gay babies, but gay people can too?!?!?!?

THIS CHANGES ME VIEW ON EVERYTHING!!!

So not only do you have no response to the previous posts, but you also have no sense of humor?

I'm glad you understood that a simple joke was to show my knowledge on the matter, and responded to the joke accordingly.


lol.


That is too funny.


Too funny that you're such a moron.


Lol. Because you don't get jokes. You think that people say 1 sentence jokes to expound on the gay society.


Too funny. That you probably only get why you're laughing.



lol.


Random, irrelevant shit to make my post longer.



Skip a few lines and add a few words to make it even longer. Add a lol. More periods. Than needed. random punctuation

[bodhi]

Oh wow, so it's important nowadays to type properly and to roll with stupid jokes such as "1 dude + 1 dude = no species"? While it isn't worth my time to respond to someone of such inferior intellect, since this is my thread and being the kind and caring person that I am I'm obliged to at least halfheartedly pretend like conversing with you about this is anything short of watching a retard jab himself in the face with a blunt fork continually. See, I didn't roll with that hilarious joke because it wasn't funny, it wasn't witty, it was plain stupid. You would be the type of person to believe homosexuals have a choice on their sexual preference because you're an uneducated, Proactiv using dipshit. It's not my fault I'm not familier with your sense of humor, or lack-thereof. You're just another tard who would think a cool abstract artshow consists of walls smeared with shit so can you really blame me? You have always tried to cover up your reality with sarcasm and it has never worked.

Maybe I did miss the funny in your post. Let me go back and re-read it.

Yeah. It still wasn't funny.

Nothing has changed.

Your relationship here with Bri, your reputataion of being an overly jealous boyfriend with hardly anything downstairs and the way you reacted to everyone picking on you about it really says a lot about your character. For someone who is clowning on me for not understanding a joke you sure did take my "Christians are pretty much saying 'fuck gays'" thing extremely serious. Even calling me ignorant! Are you not knowledgable when it comes to religious backlashes against the Gay Community? You should do some research, man. It's pretty harsh. You don't give a fuck though, do you? You're too busy with your cars and riding out this car scene. Yeah, that's cool too. Perhaps you should quit Importatlanta for a few months and go experience life outside the car scene. You're 22 now but you're as openminded about a lot of things as my 18 year old cousin. Only difference is that he's actually bright.

See, Evan, I don't understand why you are always on defense mode against me. I bash everyone but you are the only one who truely takes it to heart.

I guess I sort of understand since you pretty much looked up to me - you even said it yourself over AIM conversations - which I think is actually pretty funny. Maybe you were just really, really bored and I just so happened to be on? I dunno, but what I do know is that you cannot and will not ever match my intelligence when it comes to real world problems, relationship questions, religion, philosophy, art, cultures, spooky conspiracy theories, sexual positions that reach deep inside, the origin of homosexuality, perspective on a higher form of consciousness, astrology, astronmy, the LHC, rational thinking; the list can go on for an entire day I think.

I know I know, you probably think I'm flaming you with this right? No I am not, Evan. Everytime you post in one of my threads you're pretty much stepping infront of me as I shadowbox and get knocked out.

[bodhi]

LOL so you didn't know that homosexuality being genetic is only a HYPOTHESIS and not proven scientically? LOL

breh, u serious?

lol

[Catnip]

not exactly.

instead lemme say that facebook is a stupid tool to makes social interaction obsolete. its funny when i see two couples go out to eat but instead of chatting with one another they're too busy looking down at their phones looking like two quasimodos. instead of texting someone if they want to hangout they send them a facebook message so that other people see that you actually leave your house.
people post pictures of their vactions and are more worried about taking good pics than actually sitting down and relaxing.

relationships fall apart because of the bullshit that goes on in that shithole.

"why did you comment on her photo?"

see it's not about being an adult it's about being smart and staying true to reality. why would you put your entire information there like people actually give two fucks? i dont and neither do the rest of your "friends". so you like dr. seuss' green eggs and ham, big deal. im not trying to act mega cool saying that ive never agreed with it but it's always been lame to me.

now as a parent i dont like when i see people posting pics of their kids saying stuff like "i did it for my aunt who lives in virgina" so fucking what! send her mail with pics of your kid. if you have sisters/brothers who truely give a shit about your child they will come to your home and visit.

so no, kid. its not that im uber busy i just dont require stuff like that to keep me entertained.

i dont need a twitter, facebook, smartphone, etc

do you know how patheticly loserish people look when they're hunched over looking at their phone?! lemme check-in at mcdonalds or the varsity - cause people dont believe me that i go out. heh, people also ignore you in person. unlike facebook where they will say wassup and comment on your posts in person they will turn away and pretend like that didnt see you.
people are afraid of interaction nowadays. thats why so many relationships are shit and so many people break up even when they're parents. because of that stupid creation that so many of you brainless robots are so attracted to.


ignorant?

bro, do you even know what that word means? you would think that over the years you would develop a little bit of intelligence, but you're still the clueless little dummy that you've always been.

first of all, instead of calling me ignorant how about you post up WHY you think that and counter with brilliance.

can you do that?


or should i expect you to continue to throw pre-emptive strikes on yourself? "hold on alex, lemme guess you're gonna call me lame and tarded huh?" that has always been your way of claiming victory over someone. instead of standing your ground you curl up into your pathetic shell like a little disgusting snail


again, you have nothing to add to shit.

didn't your relationship with bri get a little heated on facebook? information was getting thrown out there and people knew everything that you two rugrats were agruing about? it even hit IA didn't it? facebook was designed to trap immature lil fucks in a delusional world where everyone "likes" what you say. you think people who arent on facebook are boring? im an extrememly charismatic person, evan.

now that ive grown and am a little bit more knowledgable on life i can talk for days. i can chat with a random person about all sorts of things...things people on facebook wouldnt give a fuck about. so nah stupid, it's not that im boring it's that ive evolved into something more and don't require internet interaction or internet acceptance. i dont need to prove to random people how cool life has been to me, how cool my daughter has grown into, how nice my bank account looks.

so no. you havent hit anything on the head.

instead of trying to prove yourself to me how about you just ignore my posts, my threads and quit trying to get me to notice you. you've always been a buzzing fly when im around. i bet back then you wish you could've chilled with me...i kinda wished we did just so i could have clowned on you face to face. heh, im the ignorant one though right? cause i think ceo's who spend millions on groups who are against gays are evil and because i dont use facebook?

please, it's been how many years that you've tried to win something over me?

for once give me a nice battle.

or don't i really don't care.


had to... what?

show how stupid you actually are?

you do know gay people are born from straight couples... right?

if you place all the gays in one location and nuke 'em, there will continue to be gays the following year.

wait...

lol so you didn't know homosexuality was an abnormality that occurs genetically? you think people one day wake up and transform into a dick-tucking queen?

lol you "had to".


that's too funny.


Oh wow, so it's important nowadays to type properly and to roll with stupid jokes such as "1 dude + 1 dude = no species"? While it isn't worth my time to respond to someone of such inferior intellect, since this is my thread and being the kind and caring person that I am I'm obliged to at least halfheartedly pretend like conversing with you about this is anything short of watching a retard jab himself in the face with a blunt fork continually. See, I didn't roll with that hilarious joke because it wasn't funny, it wasn't witty, it was plain stupid. You would be the type of person to believe homosexuals have a choice on their sexual preference because you're an uneducated, Proactiv using dipshit. It's not my fault I'm not familier with your sense of humor, or lack-thereof. You're just another tard who would think a cool abstract artshow consists of walls smeared with shit so can you really blame me? You have always tried to cover up your reality with sarcasm and it has never worked.

Maybe I did miss the funny in your post. Let me go back and re-read it.

Yeah. It still wasn't funny.

Nothing has changed.

Your relationship here with Bri, your reputataion of being an overly jealous boyfriend with hardly anything downstairs and the way you reacted to everyone picking on you about it really says a lot about your character. For someone who is clowning on me for not understanding a joke you sure did take my "Christians are pretty much saying 'fuck gays'" thing extremely serious. Even calling me ignorant! Are you not knowledgable when it comes to religious backlashes against the Gay Community? You should do some research, man. It's pretty harsh. You don't give a fuck though, do you? You're too busy with your cars and riding out this car scene. Yeah, that's cool too. Perhaps you should quit Importatlanta for a few months and go experience life outside the car scene. You're 22 now but you're as openminded about a lot of things as my 18 year old cousin. Only difference is that he's actually bright.

See, Evan, I don't understand why you are always on defense mode against me. I bash everyone but you are the only one who truely takes it to heart.

I guess I sort of understand since you pretty much looked up to me - you even said it yourself over AIM conversations - which I think is actually pretty funny. Maybe you were just really, really bored and I just so happened to be on? I dunno, but what I do know is that you cannot and will not ever match my intelligence when it comes to real world problems, relationship questions, religion, philosophy, art, cultures, spooky conspiracy theories, sexual positions that reach deep inside, the origin of homosexuality, perspective on a higher form of consciousness, astrology, astronmy, the LHC, rational thinking; the list can go on for an entire day I think.

I know I know, you probably think I'm flaming you with this right? No I am not, Evan. Everytime you post in one of my threads you're pretty much stepping infront of me as I shadowbox and get knocked out.

You say the people of facebook don't interest you, yet I'm pretty sure almost everyone in this thread has a facebook. I've easliy typed a fraction of what you typed, and who's worked up?


LOL.


Your need to compensate with and flaunt your infinite wisdom and superiority, combined with your need for attention make it easy to have fun with you, Tic Tac.

[Sinfix_15]

Oh wow, so it's important nowadays to type properly and to roll with stupid jokes such as "1 dude + 1 dude = no species"? While it isn't worth my time to respond to someone of such inferior intellect, since this is my thread and being the kind and caring person that I am I'm obliged to at least halfheartedly pretend like conversing with you about this is anything short of watching a retard jab himself in the face with a blunt fork continually. See, I didn't roll with that hilarious joke because it wasn't funny, it wasn't witty, it was plain stupid. You would be the type of person to believe homosexuals have a choice on their sexual preference because you're an uneducated, Proactiv using dipshit. It's not my fault I'm not familier with your sense of humor, or lack-thereof. You're just another tard who would think a cool abstract artshow consists of walls smeared with shit so can you really blame me? You have always tried to cover up your reality with sarcasm and it has never worked.

Maybe I did miss the funny in your post. Let me go back and re-read it.

Yeah. It still wasn't funny.

Nothing has changed.

Your relationship here with Bri, your reputataion of being an overly jealous boyfriend with hardly anything downstairs and the way you reacted to everyone picking on you about it really says a lot about your character. For someone who is clowning on me for not understanding a joke you sure did take my "Christians are pretty much saying 'fuck gays'" thing extremely serious. Even calling me ignorant! Are you not knowledgable when it comes to religious backlashes against the Gay Community? You should do some research, man. It's pretty harsh. You don't give a fuck though, do you? You're too busy with your cars and riding out this car scene. Yeah, that's cool too. Perhaps you should quit Importatlanta for a few months and go experience life outside the car scene. You're 22 now but you're as openminded about a lot of things as my 18 year old cousin. Only difference is that he's actually bright.

See, Evan, I don't understand why you are always on defense mode against me. I bash everyone but you are the only one who truely takes it to heart.

I guess I sort of understand since you pretty much looked up to me - you even said it yourself over AIM conversations - which I think is actually pretty funny. Maybe you were just really, really bored and I just so happened to be on? I dunno, but what I do know is that you cannot and will not ever match my intelligence when it comes to real world problems, relationship questions, religion, philosophy, art, cultures, spooky conspiracy theories, sexual positions that reach deep inside, the origin of homosexuality, perspective on a higher form of consciousness, astrology, astronmy, the LHC, rational thinking; the list can go on for an entire day I think.

I know I know, you probably think I'm flaming you with this right? No I am not, Evan. Everytime you post in one of my threads you're pretty much stepping infront of me as I shadowbox and get knocked out.

idk man, hard to come off as deep and intellectual when you're hanging on to that relationship drama bullshit. Girls talk shit after breakups, its what they do. You ever heard a girl say "i was a bitch, i didnt clean, didnt give enough head and wanted to stay out till 3 in the morning dry humping my guy friends at a club, so he dumped me".... nope. they never say that... but what they do always say is "he was jealous and sucked in bed". Breaking up is like those deals in mafia movies. Unless you keep some dirt on them, theyre coming after you, you just cant clean break.


Anyways, back to the topic. Why should gay people be allowed to redefine the christian marriage tradition to accept their beliefs when the origins of the tradition itself specifically rejects their beliefs? I dont have a problem with gay people. They have the right to be together and do everything a married couple can do. They have the right to seek marital benefits and have a public union ceremony. Just dont call it marriage, because marriage is a christian union ceremony that specifically excludes homosexuals. If you dont like that marriage excludes homosexuals, then dont participate. It would be like saying jews are discriminating against your BBQ joint for not letting you cater their bar mitzvah. Get in where you fit in. If gay people want to have weddings, call it something else and come up with your own tradition. Christian marriage specifically says "man and a woman"

Opinion of an atheist who supports gays.

[geoff]

Sinfix: well said.

[geoff]

Bodhi: I would love to see the proof that one is born gay...

[Sinfix_15]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhhhh

https://p.twimg.com/Azk0O3JCAAA23Wo.jpg

[bookthief]

geoff: "gwinnette" is usually spelled without an "e" at the end.

[geoff]

I like to use the "e" for extra emphasis lol

[Sammich]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhhhh

https://p.twimg.com/Azk0O3JCAAA23Wo.jpg



i nom'd those on the day of appreciation...w/ polynesian sauce..that is all

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because marriage is a christian union ceremony that specifically excludes homosexuals. No. Marriage isn't a Christian ceremony at all. Marriage was around WAY before Christianity. Marriage is a contractual agreement that christians happen to participate in as well. It was religion that defined it as a bond between a man and a woman. Just thought I'd clear that up for you

[Sinfix_15]

No. Marriage isn't a Christian ceremony at all. Marriage was around WAY before Christianity. Marriage is a contractual agreement that christians happen to participate in as well. It was religion that defined it as a bond between a man and a woman. Just thought I'd clear that up for you

Starting from the date the united states was founded, would it be safe to say that Marriage was a Christian tradition? If we're going to accept all laws from all countries and all time periods.... then lets allow 8 year old girls to marry 40 year old men.....

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Starting from the date the united states was founded, would it be safe to say that Marriage was a Christian tradition?Are you suggesting we should redefine marriage?


If we're going to accept all laws from all countries and all time periods.... then lets allow 8 year old girls to marry 40 year old men.....What does this have to do with anything?

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yet I'm pretty sure almost everyone in this thread has a facebook.

After all this time, I still do not have FB. I did make an account when it first started up, but I never saw the use in it for me.


Bodhi: I would love to see the proof that one is born gay...

I'd love to see proof that one isn't born gay.

WHOOPS!! Just as there is no proof one can be born gay, there isn't any proof that one can NOT be born that way, either. Later, QD.

[Sammich]

i want to see proof of how real lesbians do it

[David88vert]

I'd love to see proof that one isn't born gay.

WHOOPS!! There isn't any. Later, QD.


I'd love to see proof that one IS born gay.

WHOOPS!! There isn't any.

Since when did the lack of evidence PROVE anything? If Christians say that there is a God, then atheists say there is no proof, so it can't be. But now, it's different? No proof of of gay genes, but we are supposed to assume that is true, even when groups like the APA and AMA state there is no proof of any genetic link to gay behavior?

[Echonova]

i want to see proof of how real lesbians do itI support this position.

[David88vert]

Are you suggesting we should redefine marriage?

What does this have to do with anything?

No need to redefine. The origin of the word marriage originally came from Latin, and meant to provide with a husband or wife. it was used for a man-woman relationship only back then.

Do you have any record of any ancient society having legal same-sex marriages? The Romans had a form of civil union, complete with a ceremony, but specifically it was not legal in their society. The Chinese had bindings, but they were not legal procedings either. The first church sanction recorded gay ceremony was after 1000AD as far as I know.

[quickdodge®]

I'd love to see proof that one IS born gay.

WHOOPS!! There isn't any.

Since when did the lack of evidence PROVE anything? If Christians say that there is a God, then atheists say there is no proof, so it can't be. But now, it's different? No proof of of gay genes, but we are supposed to assume that is true, even when groups like the APA and AMA state there is no proof of any genetic link to gay behavior?

You're reading into my statement to create a debate that simply isn't there. I never said there was or wasn't a genetic link. I simply said there is no proof to either side so no one can lay claim to either side. I personally think that both exist. I personally think one can be born that way or that one can choose to be that way. My statements contain only what is meant. Not what may be implied by others thoughts. Later, QD.

[Sinfix_15]

Are you suggesting we should redefine marriage?

What does this have to do with anything?

No, im suggesting that starting with the founding of the United States, marriage has always been defined by the christian interpretation of it and has always been the union of a man and a woman. I see no reason to change this.

[geoff]

QD: you want proof, watch the documentary, "science of sex appeal". They didn't set out to find anything, rather they wanted to see what is found as "attractive" and what areas of the brain are active when someone is attracted to another person.

Blank: show us evidence that "marriage" is not a religious institution. Then, show me a religion that's holy writings support it.

I find it ironic that this is a "progressive" issue yet homosexuality does not contribute to progress of reproduction and the continuance of the human race. Also, why is all the research done on gay men? What about lesbians, bis, and transsexuals?

[quickdodge®]

QD: you want proof, watch the documentary, "science of sex appeal". They didn't set out to find anything, rather they wanted to see what is found as "attractive" and what areas of the brain are active when someone is attracted to another person.

Sounds like you're delving into a little genetics there to me, sir. Again, there is no telling. Until it is concrete, I'll believe both to be factors.



I find it ironic that this is a "progressive" issue yet homosexuality does not contribute to progress of reproduction and the continuance of the human race. Also, why is all the research done on gay men? What about lesbians, bis, and transsexuals?

Because gay men aren't attractive at all to look at. Easier to concentrate when you're not looking at two women making out, probably. Later, QD.

[Sinfix_15]

Sounds like you're delving into a little genetics there to me, sir. Again, there is no telling. Until it is concrete, I'll believe both to be factors.



Because gay men aren't attractive at all to look at. Easier to concentrate when you're not looking at two women making out, probably. Later, QD.

I cant tell if that is a joke or not, but if it is.... your wit is stone cold.

[Sammich]

Because gay men aren't attractive at all to look at. Easier to concentrate when you're not looking at two women making out, probably. Later, QD.

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA fukin tr00f

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Blank: show us evidence that "marriage" is not a religious institution. Then, show me a religion that's holy writings support it.Its all over the place. Find it. The institution of marriage pre-dates modern religion. Fact.


I find it ironic that this is a "progressive" issue yet homosexuality does not contribute to progress of reproduction and the continuance of the human race. Also, why is all the research done on gay men? What about lesbians, bis, and transsexuals?Because you dont think it contributes to the progress of the human race doesnt mean it doesnt.

Why don't you get into science and find out why they do the research they do?

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No, im suggesting that starting with the founding of the United States, marriage has always been defined by the christian interpretation of it and has always been the union of a man and a woman. I see no reason to change this.So all the Muslims and Jews and Buddhists and Sikhs and atheists are not marriages because they're not defined by the Christian interpretation of marriage, Is this what you're suggesting? That America should define marriage solely as a Christian institution?

[quickdodge®]

I cant tell if that is a joke or not, but if it is.... your wit is stone cold.

It is a truthful joke, lolol. If there were two hot lesbians going at it in a lab in front of me, you think I'd be trying to find out why? Lolol. Later, QD.

[bodhi]

You say the people of facebook don't interest you, yet I'm pretty sure almost everyone in this thread has a facebook. I've easliy typed a fraction of what you typed, and who's worked up?


LOL.


Your need to compensate with and flaunt your infinite wisdom and superiority, combined with your need for attention make it easy to have fun with you, Tic Tac.

Now my tl;drs aren't good enough for you, man?

I'm too worked up because I don't like posting simple non-interesting posts?

Evan, the truth is you are an incredibly sad little creature. From the squeaky little bitches voice, down to those pimple covered portly puffy cheeks on that unfathomably small fucking head of yours. But for me to attack you properly, I have to feel malice towards you, and from what you have posted so far in this thread, well to be quite blunt with you, you simply haven't got the required skills nor the ability to sufficiently energize me to bother with you in any meaningful sense.

Heh, everything that I have said to you in this thread has been true it's up to you whether you accept it as reality. Yes, reality, a tough place to wake up and find your jaw shattered in multiple places from a good old fashioned jackboot barndance by an ignorant Mexican nobody.

Now get the fuck out of my thread.

[bodhi]

I'd love to see proof that one IS born gay.

WHOOPS!! There isn't any.

Since when did the lack of evidence PROVE anything? If Christians say that there is a God, then atheists say there is no proof, so it can't be. But now, it's different? No proof of of gay genes, but we are supposed to assume that is true, even when groups like the APA and AMA state there is no proof of any genetic link to gay behavior?I actually have a great respond to this, with facts from actual homosexuals and facts about genetic mutation having a factor on your sexual preference, but it will have to wait. Gimme a day or so, okay?

[bodhi]

Oh and geoff, I have ruined your religious threads about god with facts multiple times in the past. What makes you think I can't do it again?

[geoff]

QD: watch the documentary, it doesn't go into sexual orientation, it describes the most basic and primitive human need to reproduce. It's very interesting. If you believe there is not sufficient evidence to say one way or the other, yet it is ok for gays to preach they have NO choice in the matter and are born that way? The study also suggests that "love" is a chemically induced emotion to increase the odds of offspring surviving I.e. having two parents instead of one.

Blank: I looked up for the past 30 minutes "marriage". I do not see where it was defined as between two or more people regardless of gender. In fact, the word itself means between a man and woman. Marriage throughout many cultures in the ancient world was between men and women. In its primitive form, a man "married" a woman through a binding agreement so he might have exclusive sexual rights to her and to ensure his offspring were legitimate. You sir fail, marriage whether religious or not has ALWAYS been defined as between a man and woman. The gay community wishes to force acceptance and redefine a tradition that is both religious in nature/practice and predates reliable recorded history. Let them have all the benefits of married couples but don't give them a marriage lisence. Grant them rights with a civil union.

Now, you keep dodging my questions. With all your infinite wisdom, answer me this. Why are the studies focused on gay men only and not lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals as well? Here is another, one study showed that in identical twins, only 50% of the time are both brothers gay. They share the exact same genetics, therefore how is it that one is gay and one is straight? One would think that if two individuals are genetically identical and sexual orientation involves no choice then both brothers would be gay; yet that is only the case half the time. There was also a study that successive birth of males increases odds of being gay to 30%. There are 4 brothers in my family including me, that means that since homosexuality is not a choice, one of us ought to be gay...again that is not the case. Not I nor my brothers have ever "experimented" nor are we even slightly attracted to men. Science f@cked the pooch with us I guess.

[geoff]

Bodhi: you have never ruined any of my religious threads. You have never contributed any intelligent arguments, you simply post offensive pictures and say my comments and evidence I present are irrelevant. The fact is this, for every study of evidence you present, I can counter it with contrary evidence and reasons why your evidence is biased and not substantial. The fact is this, there is no substantial evidence nor sufficient proof that sexual orientation is genetically influenced. This argument is similar to the evidence of God. You will simply deny any evidence I present on this just as you did my evidence of God. Make a different thread if you wish so we don't cluster this one.

[David88vert]

I actually have a great respond to this, with facts from actual homosexuals and facts about genetic mutation having a factor on your sexual preference, but it will have to wait. Gimme a day or so, okay?

So, the studies of genetic researchers, doctors, and psychologists are less reliable than the "feelings" of actual homosexuals?

Let me enlighten you:
Science has not proven that homosexuality is genetic derived in any manner repeatedly, and has not been accepted as true by the published scientific community, therefore, it cannot be a scientific fact. It is a theory, which is not a scientific fact.

The American Psychological Association's assertion is "most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors." Note that they did not say genetics.

Dr. Joel Gelernter of Yale University ( Joel Gelernter, MD > Psychiatry | Yale School of Medicine ): "Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits, only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. Unfortunately, it's hard to come up with many findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated. ... All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."

“On July 16, 1993, it was reported in Science (pp. 291, 321) that geneticist Dean Hamer and his team at the National Cancer Institute had reported on a study involving 40 pairs of brothers both of whom were gay that had led them to conclude that they had discovered a factor on the X chromosome through which gayness was genetically transmitted to them from their mothers. This was hailed as proof that homosexuality in men is biological in origin. Two years later, however, Eliot Marshall reported in Science (June 30, 1995, p.268) George Ebers and George Rice of the University of Western Ontario had unsuccessfully attempted to replicate Hamer's findings and had "found no evidence that gayness is passed from mother to son" genetically. He also reported that the Office of Research Integrity in the Department of Health and Human Services was investigating Hamer's work." - Martin A. Silverman, M.D.


Professor Miron Baron, M.D. ( Columbia Psychiatry ), medical researcher and Professor at Columbia University, wrote in 1993 in the British Medical Journal that there is a conflict relative to the theory of evolution and the notion of genetic determinism concerning homosexuality. "...from an evolutionary perspective, genetically determined homosexuality would have become extinct long ago because of reduced reproduction."

[quickdodge®]

QD: watch the documentary, it doesn't go into sexual orientation, it describes the most basic and primitive human need to reproduce. It's very interesting. If you believe there is not sufficient evidence to say one way or the other, yet it is ok for gays to preach they have NO choice in the matter and are born that way?

I'll check it out. No problem with that. But what I don't understand is why you are putting words into my posts. Where did I say that gay people were ok to preach they have no choice? Where, amongst my 60,000+ posts did you find that? Please. Indulge me that one.


Let them have all the benefits of married couples but don't give them a marriage lisence.

Why not? What harm does it do you if Jack and John want to get married? Who are you to say what another human being should or should not be able to have? That's that true "Christian" spirit where if you don't conform to your beliefs, then you're wrong.

Feel free to hop off the horse at the next stop.


Now, you keep dodging my questions. With all your infinite wisdom, answer me this. Why are the studies focused on gay men only and not lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals as well? Here is another, one study showed that in identical twins, only 50% of the time are both brothers gay. They share the exact same genetics, therefore how is it that one is gay and one is straight? One would think that if two individuals are genetically identical and sexual orientation involves no choice then both brothers would be gay; yet that is only the case half the time. There was also a study that successive birth of males increases odds of being gay to 30%. There are 4 brothers in my family including me, that means that since homosexuality is not a choice, one of us ought to be gay...again that is not the case. Not I nor my brothers have ever "experimented" nor are we even slightly attracted to men. Science f@cked the pooch with us I guess.

Remember this, though. I don't recall one day way back in my preteen years (or whenever I realized I liked girls) where I woke up and said to my self, I said, "self, I like girls. I think I'm going to like them over boys." I don't remember it happening that way.

Do you?

For how many years has children growing up couldn't stand members of the opposite sex? Back in the days when young boys would say "eeewwwww" when asked about liking a girl or when a girl would say "gross" when asked about a boy. Then the day comes when they come to realize that they do (or do not in some cases) like the members of the opposite sex. I don't see them waking up thinking to themselves that boys or girls aren't really ewww or gross after all. Later, QD.

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Blank: I looked up for the past 30 minutes "marriage". I do not see where it was defined as between two or more people regardless of gender. In fact, the word itself means between a man and woman.Good for you. Stop looking for YOUR answer and start looking for THE answer.


Now, you keep dodging my questions. With all your infinite wisdom, answer me this. Why are the studies focused on gay men only and not lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals as well?Not dodging at all, trying to get you to understand it on your own. Look it up. The answer is plain as day.


There was also a study that successive birth of males increases odds of being gay to 30%. There are 4 brothers in my family including me, that means that since homosexuality is not a choice, one of us ought to be gay...again that is not the case. Not I nor my brothers have ever "experimented" nor are we even slightly attracted to men. Science f@cked the pooch with us I guess.Not only do you not have the ability to grasp the scientific understanding of the issue, your understanding of mathematics and statistics is elementary at best. This right here proves it.

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So, the studies of genetic researchers, doctors, and psychologists are less reliable than the "feelings" of actual homosexuals?

Let me enlighten you:
Science has not proven that homosexuality is genetic derived in any manner repeatedly, and has not been accepted as true by the published scientific community, therefore, it cannot be a scientific fact. It is a theory, which is not a scientific fact.Typical ignorant Christian apologetic. Still doesn't know the meaning of the words "scientific theory". LOL. Let me enlighten you a little, evolution is a scientific fact AND a scientific theory, if that gives you any hint to what the word means....


The American Psychological Association's assertion is "most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors." Note that they did not say genetics.You didn't answer me before. What, in your opinion, do you think a "biological factor" is?


Dr. Joel Gelernter of Yale University ( Joel Gelernter, MD > Psychiatry | Yale School of Medicine ): "Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits, only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. Unfortunately, it's hard to come up with many findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated. ... All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."

“On July 16, 1993, it was reported in Science (pp. 291, 321) that geneticist Dean Hamer and his team at the National Cancer Institute had reported on a study involving 40 pairs of brothers both of whom were gay that had led them to conclude that they had discovered a factor on the X chromosome through which gayness was genetically transmitted to them from their mothers. This was hailed as proof that homosexuality in men is biological in origin. Two years later, however, Eliot Marshall reported in Science (June 30, 1995, p.268) George Ebers and George Rice of the University of Western Ontario had unsuccessfully attempted to replicate Hamer's findings and had "found no evidence that gayness is passed from mother to son" genetically. He also reported that the Office of Research Integrity in the Department of Health and Human Services was investigating Hamer's work." - Martin A. Silverman, M.D.


Professor Miron Baron, M.D. ( Columbia Psychiatry ), medical researcher and Professor at Columbia University, wrote in 1993 in the British Medical Journal that there is a conflict relative to the theory of evolution and the notion of genetic determinism concerning homosexuality. "...from an evolutionary perspective, genetically determined homosexuality would have become extinct long ago because of reduced reproduction."Why do you keep picking articles from 20 years ago when there have been studies since then? Is it because only those articles validate your beliefs? You are incredibly apt at twisting scientific information to fit your regressive world view. And for that I applaud you.

[geoff]

QD: I was referring to the advocates of "gay is not a choice", not you specifically. Like Bodhi and Blank. There is no sufficient evidence nor substantial proof that sexual orientation is genetically determined. So why then can these two "preach" that it's genetic and make me and David seem like idiots because we disagree? On the typical "Christian" note...why are gays forcing their beliefs on society? Why are they trying to change the definition of marriage? Why is it that if one doesn't agree with them, they are bigots and discriminate? Wanna talk about Christians forcing their beliefs on people, what's good for the gander my friend. As far as being attracted to girls, I remember it being in 3rd grade. Chloe Ivy was my first crush, my first kiss, and she touched my pee pee. You could say I was " turned" on by her. I knew when I saw her that I "liked" girls. I also measured the size of my pecker against that of my friends when we used to pee outside in the field at recess...never once thought " oooh, put that in my mouth".

Blank: it's fact man. I'm not looking for my answer. Look up "marriage" on Wikipedia. Ask 10 random people what the definition of marriage is... Not dodging my questions eh? Come on smart @ss, enlighten me. I know that they compare gay mans brain to a woman's and think that's supposed to mean something. Why no studies on lesbians, bisexuals, and transgenders? Why is there only a 50% chance that twins will both be gay even though they are genetically identical and choice is not involved? 50%.....really? There is a 50% chance any one will be gay, it's as simple as saying, " yes I want that penis in my mouth" or " no I don't". My math and statistics comprehension is fine. The study showed 30% of a succeeding line of brothers will be gay. That's roughly 1/3... I am one of four continuous births of males in my family yet none are gay....fail.

The fact is this. Those that support homosexuality are searching and hoping to find some evidence that they have no choice in being gay. If they can find it, then society has no choice but to accept them as they can't help it. Any time a researcher claims to have an answer, the GLBT community jumps all over it, even though results aren't replicated and the study is biased. The truth is, there is no substantial evidence and the scientific community simply doesn't know for sure what determines sexual orientation. So, to take a page from your atheist book, no scientific proof=no genetic influence on sexual orientation. For you to accept otherwise makes you just as much a hypocrit as televangelists exploiting people for money to recieve "miricales/salvation".

I would like to point out that a study showed lesbians to show signs of stimulation while watching all sorts of sexual activity, gay/straight/and even monkey sex. The fact remains this, we are programmed to reproduce with the best possible mate to insure our traits/genes get passed on. As a proponent of evolution, do you argue this? I have my own beliefs as to why people are gay, and it is biblical and simple, it is a choice and sinful lust, but God allows them to think it is the "right" choice.

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Blank: it's fact man. I'm not looking for my answer. Look up "marriage" on Wikipedia.First Wikipedia isnt a valid source of info, now it is. Which is it? When is Wikipedia a valid source of information? When it agrees with you? LOL. Type marriage into Wikipedia and I want you to copy and paste the very first sentence.


Not dodging my questions eh? Come on smart @ss, enlighten me. I know that they compare gay mans brain to a woman's and think that's supposed to mean something. Why no studies on lesbians, bisexuals, and transgenders? Why is there only a 50% chance that twins will both be gay even though they are genetically identical and choice is not involved? Monozygotic twins are not 100% genetically identical.


My math and statistics comprehension is fine. The study showed 30% of a succeeding line of brothers will be gay. That's roughly 1/3... I am one of four continuous births of males in my family yet none are gay....fail.You look stupider and stupider every time you post. Go take a remedial stats class. You fail miserably


I would like to point out that a study showed lesbians to show signs of stimulation while watching all sorts of sexual activity, gay/straight/and even monkey sex. But you said there were no studies done on lesbians, didnt you?


The fact remains this, we are programmed to reproduce with the best possible mate to insure our traits/genes get passed on. As a proponent of evolution, do you argue this? I'll argue that you have a rudimentary understanding of evolutionary biology.

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QD: I was referring to the advocates of "gay is not a choice", not you specifically. Like Bodhi and Blank. There is no sufficient evidence nor substantial proof that sexual orientation is genetically determined. So why then can these two "preach" that it's genetic and make me and David seem like idiots because we disagree? On the typical "Christian" note...why are gays forcing their beliefs on society? Why are they trying to change the definition of marriage? Why is it that if one doesn't agree with them, they are bigots and discriminate? Wanna talk about Christians forcing their beliefs on people, what's good for the gander my friend.

Again, though, why does them getting married harm you? What "feel good" feeling do you get knowing they can't get married? In a way, I wish I was more like you and didn't have any other problems in this world that actually had to do with me so I could devote my problems to issues that have nothing to do with me.

That's what I don't get. I don't pay attention to what other people want to do where other people seem to have to have their nose into everything.


As far as being attracted to girls, I remember it being in 3rd grade. Chloe Ivy was my first crush, my first kiss, and she touched my pee pee. You could say I was " turned" on by her. I knew when I saw her that I "liked" girls.

Aside from that (which I did forget about almost everyone having a little crush like that in their wee years), you didn't opt to go for the female sex. You didn't think to yourself, "hmmmm, boy or girl?" Did you?


Those that support homosexuality are searching and hoping to find some evidence that they have no choice in being gay.

You should be more specific when making blanket statements. I support homosexuality and I'm not searching or hoping for anything. I simply don't care enough to. Whether it's genetic (which we don't know) or it's a choice (which I do agree with), let them do what they want. It's not your life. Later, QD.

[geoff]

Blank: the first sentence describes what is politically correct. Read the entirety of it buddy. We are arguing what has been historically and traditionally the definition of marriage. You can not show me anywhere where marriage was traditionally defined as between two men and two women. My math is just fine buddy. Show me how the study says 30% is not anything other than 1 in 3. I will wait. They haven't studied the genetics of lesbians as far as I know. The study showed that lesbian women are also turned on by hetero sex as well as simple monkeys getting it on. Therefore, it would seem them sticking to women is...choice. Arguing with you is plain stupid. Whatever the topic may be, you seem to think your interpretation and logic is superior to everyone else's.

[Catnip]

Now my tl;drs aren't good enough for you, man?

I'm too worked up because I don't like posting simple non-interesting posts?

No, you're worked up because with every post I make, your posts become more antagonistic. See, my posts are consistent. Meaning my feelings and emotions are stable, whereas you seem grow flustered. It's cool, Alex (ha, I forgot that was your name before you said it). I understand that when you can't prove someone wrong or use facts to show intellectual superiority, you resort to fabricated personal attacks and stale drama that you really don't know the details of.

Started with turning my username into something else, intended to be degrading (lol, I remember that shit being cool in 2007), and then trying to provoke me with the old, irrelevant relationship mishaps.

Speaking of boring.

Oh wait. I'm boring, yet you can't help but to type out a book everytime I post.


What is it, Alex... am I boring or are you flustered?


Evan, the truth is you are an incredibly sad little creature. From the squeaky little bitches voice, down to those pimple covered portly puffy cheeks on that unfathomably small fucking head of yours. But for me to attack you properly, I have to feel malice towards you, and from what you have posted so far in this thread, well to be quite blunt with you, you simply haven't got the required skills nor the ability to sufficiently energize me to bother with you in any meaningful sense.

lol. Right on queue.


Heh, everything that I have said to you in this thread has been true it's up to you whether you accept it as reality. Yes, reality, a tough place to wake up and find your jaw shattered in multiple places from a good old fashioned jackboot barndance by an ignorant Mexican nobody.

Now get the fuck out of my thread.

I lol'ed @ ignorant mexican nobody.

Quite the imagination you have, there, Tic Tac. Unfortunately, you've barely said anything true and I completely expect that to continue.

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Blank: the first sentence describes what is politically correct. Read the entirety of it buddy. We are arguing what has been historically and traditionally the definition of marriage. You can not show me anywhere where marriage was traditionally defined as between two men and two women.Just change the definition, and you'll win every time.


My math is just fine buddy. Show me how the study says 30% is not anything other than 1 in 3. I will wait.No, its really not. I cant even fathom on what planet this is correct. I dont know what study youre referring to, but a 30% increase in chance does not mean 1 in 3. You somehow are mixing or confusing "chance" with "odds". If you did take a remedial statistics class, even an algebra class, you would know this. The variables you've presented are not mutually exclusive. Youre trying to tell me if you bought 4 tickets to a lottery that has 30 billion:1 odds that you'll win on the 4th ticket.


Arguing with you is plain stupid. Whatever the topic may be, you seem to think your interpretation and logic is superior to everyone else's.
Arguing with me is stupid, so why do it? My knowledge is vastly superior to yours, as Ive shown time and time again, and you seem to be off base about EVERYTHING. Listen to what I say, then look up the answers. And STOP looking for answers to scientific questions in the bible, theyre not there.

[Got Milk?]

Just change the definition, and you'll win every time.

No, its really not. I cant even fathom on what planet this is correct. I dont know what study youre referring to, but a 30% increase in chance does not mean 1 in 3. You somehow are mixing or confusing "chance" with "odds". If you did take a remedial statistics class, even an algebra class, you would know this. The variables you've presented are not mutually exclusive. Youre trying to tell me if you bought 4 tickets to a lottery that has 30 billion:1 odds that you'll win on the 4th ticket.


Arguing with me is stupid, so why do it? My knowledge is vastly superior to yours, as Ive shown time and time again, and you seem to be off base about EVERYTHING. Listen to what I say, then look up the answers. And STOP looking for answers to scientific questions in the bible, theyre not there.


Ohhh no HE DIDN't!!!

[geoff]

Just change the definition? That simple? Might as well change the constitution and the bill of rights to include the privilege of marriage a right for everyone. Stop trying to make yourself out to be some kind of superior wise intellect because you put your foot in your mouth every time you post. What qualifies you as "smarter" than me or anyone here? What credentials do you posses that makes you an expert in theology, genetics, history, sociology, or psychology? Taking a semester of a class makes you no expert sir. The fact is that you use google, read articles, and then relay that information here. No different than anyone else here posting in this thread. So get off that pedestool like your some kind of professor talking down to ignorant college students. You have nothing to teach me sir. It is fact that there is not conclusive evidence to support sexual orientation is genetic. There are theories and speculations...nothing more. Otherwise this topic would not be debatable and the scientific community would be in agreement. Personally I think you are just itching to jump out the closet and announce your homosexuality on IA, but that is neither here nor there. In reality, this is not a debate, as neither of us is willing to accept the others position. Rather, this is an argument between two guys that know no more about genetics than what we have read online. So, back to the topic. This is a simple fact, marriage is not a civil right under the constitution, therefore there is no discrimination nor injustice being done to the gay community.

QD: it does indeed effect me when a Christian is told to keep their beliefs and practices out of government while gays are able to force their agenda on the American people. They cry bigotry and injustice when none of the sort is taking place.

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So all the Muslims and Jews and Buddhists and Sikhs and atheists are not marriages because they're not defined by the Christian interpretation of marriage, Is this what you're suggesting? That America should define marriage solely as a Christian institution?

As an atheist, one day i will chose to participate in the marriage ceremony without changing any of the guidelines of it. It'll look like any other marriage, be in a church, be done by a preacher, cake and tuxedos the whole 9. I wont offend anyone by doing this because im not seeking to change anything about it. I love christmas too.... i like christmas trees, christmas songs, christmas cookies, christmas lights and gifts and all of that too. I chose to participate in these things AS THEY ARE. Gay people shouldnt be allowed to change something that other's hold sacred. Nobody would deny gays the right to unite themselves under whatever label they chose or to have marital benefits. Nobody wants to stop gay people from being together. Gay people are the ones on the offensive here, seeking to alter anything that doesnt support their lifestyle. If you like marriage, then participate......... find you a nice person of opposing gender and enjoy everything marriage has to offer. If not, then dont participate. Your choice.

[S4saken]

Blank: the first sentence describes what is politically correct. Read the entirety of it buddy. We are arguing what has been historically and traditionally the definition of marriage. You can not show me anywhere where marriage was traditionally defined as between two men and two women. My math is just fine buddy. Show me how the study says 30% is not anything other than 1 in 3. I will wait. They haven't studied the genetics of lesbians as far as I know. The study showed that lesbian women are also turned on by hetero sex as well as simple monkeys getting it on. Therefore, it would seem them sticking to women is...choice. Arguing with you is plain stupid. Whatever the topic may be, you seem to think your interpretation and logic is superior to everyone else's.

I think what .blank cd is getting at is you can flip a coin 10 times and get heads 10 times even though it's a 50/50 chance. I agree that being gay is a choice and not genetic though. You hear of women going gay after being burned or getting tired of men all the time.

Crazy how they say they hate men but use sex toys that replicate a man's penis...

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As an atheist, one day i will chose to participate in the marriage ceremony without changing any of the guidelines of it. It'll look like any other marriage, be in a church, be done by a preacher, cake and tuxedos the whole 9. I wont offend anyone by doing this because im not seeking to change anything about it. I love christmas too.... i like christmas trees, christmas songs, christmas cookies, christmas lights and gifts and all of that too. I chose to participate in these things AS THEY ARE. Gay people shouldnt be allowed to change something that other's hold sacred. Nobody would deny gays the right to unite themselves under whatever label they chose or to have marital benefits. Nobody wants to stop gay people from being together. Gay people are the ones on the offensive here, seeking to alter anything that doesnt support their lifestyle. If you like marriage, then participate......... find you a nice person of opposing gender and enjoy everything marriage has to offer. If not, then dont participate. Your choice.You're still taking about a Christian marriage ceremony. Are you suggesting that EVERYONE, all Muslims, all Jews, all Sikhs, and all non-religious people MUST participate in a Christian marriage ceremony, or it's not really a marriage?

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I agree that being gay is a choice and not genetic though. You hear of women going gay after being burned or getting tired of men all the time. So because you see a woman in a relationship with another woman because she's given up on men, does that necessarily mean it was a choice for ALL homosexual people? Do you think maybe it wasn't a choice for her to begin with? Do you still think its only a choice for everyone despite scientists and psychologists telling us that there are more factors, including biological ones, that are involved, rather than just a conscious decision?

[David88vert]

Typical ignorant Christian apologetic. Still doesn't know the meaning of the words "scientific theory". LOL. Let me enlighten you a little, evolution is a scientific fact AND a scientific theory, if that gives you any hint to what the word means....

You didn't answer me before. What, in your opinion, do you think a "biological factor" is?

Why do you keep picking articles from 20 years ago when there have been studies since then? Is it because only those articles validate your beliefs? You are incredibly apt at twisting scientific information to fit your regressive world view. And for that I applaud you.

I know the difference between theory and fact. You obviously do not.
In the most basic explanation, so that you can understand, a theory can be falsified, but a fact must be confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true.

No gay gene has ever been confirmed repeatedly, and it is definitely not accepted as true. It is not scientific fact. Period.

The statement on biological factor was from the APA, and they clearly stated that it was not genetic. How about you ask them what their meaning was in their statement?

I'm not twisting anything. Our current information does not show any credible results of genetics playing a part in homosexuality. If they ever found a gay gene, or series of genes that clearly impact homosexuality, then I will state that it is confirmed. Until then, I will rely on the fact that it is not proven.

I have no problem with it being a choice for people. If anything, that is better than it being forced by genetics. If you want to be gay, more power to you. If you want to change the definition of marriage used in your state, then go to your state senators and representatives and petition them. Don't sit there and claim something that is not proven true though and expect the majority of bend a knee to your special interest group.

As to the research, I have given you the statements of leading researchers, that has stood the test of time, and has been vetted by their peers. You have not done the same. The APA statement was actually a specific reversal of their original statement, when they thought that it was genetic. They spent years reviewing and find that it was not genetic, and specifically issued the complete reversal after extensive, exhaustive research, and it is the current statement on their site and in their publications. Do you have a specific statement from any credible, non-biased organization, such as the APA, to support your statements that genetics is proven to impact homosexuality? And, the two researchers most claimed by "born this way" believers, such as your self, are Hamer and LeVay, and their reports are early 90's as well. The difference is that they have been found to be incorrect.

[David88vert]

You're still taking about a Christian marriage ceremony. Are you suggesting that EVERYONE, all Muslims, all Jews, all Sikhs, and all non-religious people MUST participate in a Christian marriage ceremony, or it's not really a marriage?


No, the Jews, Sikhs, Muslims, etc, all have their own religious ceremonies. Marriage licenses are issued by the state, and are non-religious. You can get a license without having a ceremony, and you are still married. You can have a ceremony, but without a license, you are not legally married. Gays can have a ceremony or not, it doesn't matter.

You really don't have a grasp of how the world works.

[David88vert]

So because you see a woman in a relationship with another woman because she's given up on men, does that necessarily mean it was a choice for ALL homosexual people? Do you think maybe it wasn't a choice for her to begin with? Do you still think its only a choice for everyone despite scientists and psychologists telling us that there are more factors, including biological ones, that are involved, rather than just a conscious decision?

There is a difference between a biological factor, such as a mother using sunscreen while pregnant, and genetics.

Biological factors, environmental factors, etc. may have influence on a person, such as a person growing up in a religion. People learn behaviors and what is expected of them. These influences do have an impact; however, a person can choose to ignore influences and act as they wish. Just because your mother drank alcohol while pregnant, and everyone you meet as you growup drinks, it does not mean that you have to be an alcoholic, or even drink. While people tend to copy what they have learned by experience, it is not forced on them, and they can choose what they want to do. And there is nothing wrong with having a choice. Telling gays that they don't have a choice because they were born that way seems to be a negative, rather than telling they that they have a choice, and we accept you as you choose to be.

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There is a difference between a biological factor, such as a mother using sunscreen while pregnant, and genetics.LMAO. You think a biological factor is a mother using sunscreen while she's pregnant? Try again. This time try harder.

[David88vert]

LMAO. You think a biological factor is a mother using sunscreen while she's pregnant? Try again. This time try harder.

Technically it is, and has been used by the gay gene promoters. Where do you think I got it from? :-p

In utero - look it up. Once again, you show that you comprehend your own agenda.

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I know the difference between theory and fact. You obviously do not.
In the most basic explanation, so that you can understand, a theory can be falsified, but a fact must be confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true.This is the dumbest explanation of scientific fact and theory I've ever seen. Hands down.


The statement on biological factor was from the APA, and they clearly stated that it was not genetic. How about you ask them what their meaning was in their statement?No. YOU clearly stated it was not genetic when you said "note that they did not say genetitcs" The problem is, you don't know what a biological factor is. I agree with the APAs statement 100%


As to the research, I have given you the statements of leading researchers, that has stood the test of time, and has been vetted by their peers. You have not done the same.No. No you haven't. I've shown you research from as recently as less than 5 years ago, and you chose to dismiss it all because 1) it didn't agree with your belief, and 2) because someone you believe wasn't qualified enough co-authored one paper, and then in another post, present information from a source with the EXACT SAME QUALIFICATIONS.

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Technically it is, and has been used by the gay gene promoters. Where do you think I got it from? :-p

In utero - look it up. Once again, you show that you comprehend your own agenda.
Sunscreen is not a biological factor. Technically bullshit. Sunscreen contains a topical form of vitamin A, retinol hexadecanoate, that gets converted in the body into retinoids. The sunscreen is chemical factor

Try again.

[David88vert]

This is the dumbest explanation of scientific fact and theory I've ever seen. Hands down.
According to Princeton University's dictionary:
Scientific Theory - a theory that explains scientific observations; scientific theories must be falsifiable
Scientific Fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final).

Where do you teach at? You think that you are smarter than all of the professors ar Princeton?



No. YOU clearly stated it was not genetic when you said "note that they did not say genetitcs" The problem is, you don't know what a biological factor is. I agree with the APAs statement 100%

Actually, you stated that there was a consensus among scientist that homosexuality was genetic. I specifically gave you the APA's statement which showed you were 100% incorrect. Now, you say that you agree with their statement 100%. Looks like you changed your mind.

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation." - APA


No. No you haven't. I've shown you research from as recently as less than 5 years ago, and you chose to dismiss it all because 1) it didn't agree with your belief, and 2) because someone you believe wasn't qualified enough co-authored one paper, and then in another post, present information from a source with the EXACT SAME QUALIFICATIONS.

I have not dismissed it all. I have not had a chance to fully review all of the information that you posted in the other thread,a nd see if it has been vetted properly. If any of it is based on Hamer's discredited research, then you have only wasted time. BTW - incase you were not aware, research takes time to complete. It's not usually a less than 5 year project. Life is not like the movies, problems are not solved in 2 hours.

[David88vert]

Sunscreen is not a biological factor. Technically bullshit. Sunscreen contains a topical form of vitamin A, retinol hexadecanoate, that gets converted in the body into retinoids. The sunscreen is chemical factor

Try again.

You really are clueless.

Look up titanium dioxide and aluminum - both in sunscreens. Read "Exposing the Hazards of Sunscreen" by Elizabeth Plourde, CLS, NCMP, PhD. You can find it published on pages 18-21 of Vol. 36, No. 1 of Price-Pottenger Journal. She has a book also, "Sunscreens - Biohazard: Treat as Hazardous Waste", and has been a researcher on it for over 25 years, and is a professor at San Diego University.

She is a professor and research, and has been published. What have you done?

Another biological factor in utero - look up "fetal alcohol spectrum disorders"
Heavy Drinking in Pregnancy Linked to Host of Problems in Children (http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=666814)

Another biological factor in utero - Eczema from butylbenzyl phthalate (BBzP)
Exposure to household chemical in utero increases risk of childhood eczema | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/06/26/exposure-to-household-chemical-in-utero-increases-risk-childhood-eczema/)

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Look up titanium dioxide and aluminum - both in sunscreens. Read "Exposing the Hazards of Sunscreen" by Elizabeth Plourde, CLS, NCMP, PhD. You can find it published on pages 18-21 of Vol. 36, No. 1 of Price-Pottenger Journal. She has a book also, "Sunscreens - Biohazard: Treat as Hazardous Waste", and has been a researcher on it for over 25 years, and is a professor at San Diego University.

She is a professor and research, and has been published. What have you done?

Another biological factor in utero - look up "fetal alcohol spectrum disorders"
Heavy Drinking in Pregnancy Linked to Host of Problems in Children (http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=666814)

Another biological factor in utero - Eczema from butylbenzyl phthalate (BBzP)
Exposure to household chemical in utero increases risk of childhood eczema | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/06/26/exposure-to-household-chemical-in-utero-increases-risk-childhood-eczema/)Congratulations on making yourself look like a dumbass by posting conditions totally unrelated to the topic at hand. All of what you posted are biological disorders that are CHEMICALLY INDUCED. Homosexuality is not CHEMICALLY INDUCED.

Try again

What is a biological factor?

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Where do you teach at? You think that you are smarter than all of the professors ar Princeton?Dont worry about where I teach at. That's irrelevant. Just worry about the fact that you are scientifically inept.


Actually, you stated that there was a consensus among scientist that homosexuality was genetic.Twisting my words again. I said exactly what the APA has stated. There are environmental, societal, and biological factors. You still have yet to come up with the definition of a biological factor. Probably cause when you recognize the correct definition, your entire argument will crumble on itself. Not that it already isn't.


I specifically gave you the APA's statement which showed you were 100% incorrect. Now, you say that you agree with their statement 100%. Looks like you changed your mind.Havent changed my mind one bit. The difference between me and you is I understand what this means. You don't.


"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation." - APA




I have not dismissed it all. I have not had a chance to fully review all of the information that you posted in the other thread,a nd see if it has been vetted properly.Exactly what I thought. Dismissed.


BTW - incase you were not aware, research takes time to complete. It's not usually a less than 5 year project. Life is not like the movies, problems are not solved in 2 hours.Ohhhh is that how it works?

[Sinfix_15]

You're still taking about a Christian marriage ceremony. Are you suggesting that EVERYONE, all Muslims, all Jews, all Sikhs, and all non-religious people MUST participate in a Christian marriage ceremony, or it's not really a marriage?

They call it Kiddushin and Nisuin and follow their own set of religious guidelines. I would welcome gay people to do the same. Create their own tradition vs interfering with the existing tradition. There's about 4 million gay people in america. About 80% of americans are christians. I dont think it's fair to allow those 4 million to change a tradition as old as america itself. If it goes to vote in my state and passes, more power to them. I'm just expressing my opinion.

Do you honestly support this cause or are you just sticking with your far left stance? I dont see a benefit of trying to ingrain homosexuality into our society. I accept them, but i dont want to promote them.

[bodhi]

Professor Miron Baron, M.D. ( Columbia Psychiatry ), medical researcher and Professor at Columbia University, wrote in 1993 in the British Medical Journal that there is a conflict relative to the theory of evolution and the notion of genetic determinism concerning homosexuality. "...from an evolutionary perspective, genetically determined homosexuality would have become extinct long ago because of reduced reproduction."This is the only part that caught my attention, really. Cases of homosexuality date back to biblical times so Professor Miron's perspective about it becoming extinct really makes no sense. Gayness is not an adaptation so it wasn't formed through our evolutionary journey - it's a condition or abnormality.

Children that are born gay are created by two heterosexual people. Not a gay man and a straight woman, but again by TWO straight people. Their mother had an attraction to their father, who is male and who had an attraction to their mother. Why would you even bother posting an article by mainstream professors who aren't truely going to reveal the true report of their research? It's not something the public wants to hear, it's not something the people is ready to accept.

Homosexuality is a genetic mutation that occurs right before you either stay female or become male. Because I'm sure you know that every fetus is female then develops into male or female. In the males you obviously have the X/Y chormosomes. So many things can occur during this process. You could become male, female or even a third gender or like I've said a hijra (middle-eastern's version of a transgender). This type of condition goes back to Mesopotamia mythology. When a boy is born he is subconsciously attracted to his mother, and the father tends to get jealous over his son when the mother gives the boy too much attention. As a boy gets older he starts looking up to his father and wants to be like him, but wants a wife that's like his mother. In the girl's case is just the opposite, she looks up to her father as an object and wants a husband like him. (in both cases not EXACTLY like their parents that would be just too damn fucked up). I'm sure you know all this though right, David88vert?

Slowly men are becoming more senstive and emotional because of the BPA, a common chemical found in plastic water bottles and plastic food containers, that mimics estrogen in the body.

Estrogen, a sex hormone, causes men to become more emotional and effeminate, and it causes women to become more rational and masculine. When you look at a shemale you see the physical manifestation of the same sexual confusion you see in yourselves. There is no reason for BPA to be used in the manufacture of plastic. It serves no industrial purpose, it's just a chemical capable of simulating a human sex hormone in the body. But yet almost all plastic bottles and containers have very high amounts of BPA in them.

Then of course there's all the bottles and containers coming out now that say, "BPA FREE!" All of these bottles and containers happen to contain, not BPA, but another chemical which is also capable of simulating estrogen. Another estrogen-like chemical that has no reason, no purpose, and no business being used in plastic. But yet it's not only prevalent, it's damn near universal.

David88vert, when did you "choose" to be straight? I don't remember "choosing" to be straight, I just am. So what makes you think someone "chooses" to be homosexual? Wouldn't it work the same way? They just are? It's not a single gene that makes things what they are or who they are - it's an entire genetic sequence and billions of different combinations. In fooling around with genetic sequences, we could accidently create a "catnip" or "geoff" strand and end up with a bunch of completely dumbfuckin' tools.

[bodhi]

Bodhi: you have never ruined any of my religious threads. You have never contributed any intelligent arguments, you simply post offensive pictures and say my comments and evidence I present are irrelevant. The fact is this, for every study of evidence you present, I can counter it with contrary evidence and reasons why your evidence is biased and not substantial. The fact is this, there is no substantial evidence nor sufficient proof that sexual orientation is genetically influenced. This argument is similar to the evidence of God. You will simply deny any evidence I present on this just as you did my evidence of God. Make a different thread if you wish so we don't cluster this one.
Please stop trying to think. You're only going to give yourself a nose bleed.

You know why it's so easy for me to pwn you into another dimension? Because unlike you I have read books, articles, done research on certain topics and am openminded. I was forced to go to church for the first 12 years of my life, and NEVER believed a word of that shit. Me, a 12 year old couldn't understand the concept of a god who created existence. YES, at that age I was already thinking of that stuff... and astronmy, planets, I was sort of a geek.

However, I did read the bible because I wasn't paying attention to the pastors, and could not sneak my Sonic comic books into church. After so many years I have actually gone back to re-read that extremely long book that was probably written by some dude who was down with hallucinogens.

During my current readings, I started to notice some things...

1) Jesus is noticeably absent for most of the scriptures
2) There is a LOT of reference to a "cloud"
3) Stories like revelations seemed to be descriptions of hallucinations, but they are often described as coming after "being taken into the cloud by angels, and shown the future"
4) Many of the stories were repeated with different names
5) There were a lot things that contradict modern christian ideology


See, I do this all the time. I provide you with information to work with yet you come back at me with nothing but your faith. On Importatlanta you're basically driving on the wrong side of the hwy falling asleep half the time and your co-pilot, Jesus Christ, is too busy magically fingering your asshole. You're too blind to see the truth in reality. Your form of consciousness is non-existing so you rely on your stupid ideologies to fuel your sense of living.

Can you explain these verses for me, brah?


Ezekiel 23:19-22

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt.
20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled. [1]
22 "Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will stir up your lovers against you, those you turned away from in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side


Or what about these?


Genesis 38:9 "But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother."

Genesis 38:15-16 "When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face. Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, 'Come now, let me sleep with you.'"

You are a dipshit, I swear to the Holy Universe!

Let me ask you.

You do know homosexuality is genetic because no one would willingly want to be subjected to such hatred, cruelty and bias? Right? Are you going to tell me that it's the result of being molested by your catholic priest or your drunken father? Yeah, I bet you think that. Actually the answer is no. Like I told David88vert, it is genetic, but it's not one gene. It's a sequence and a combination of genes with likely billions of variations of combinations. Like, a certain genetic sequence makes brown hair, blue eyes, tall and feminine. Another sequence could be Brown hair, blue eyes tall and masculine. A third sequence may be brown hair, blue eyes, tall with feminie features but masculine with an attraction to the masculine sex. Then Brown hair, blue eyes, tall with masculine features but femenine with an attraction to the femenine sex.

The potential combinations are endless. So it's genetic, but it's an invariable number of combinations that make us who we each are and differnetiate us from one another.

You don't believe any of that, though. I don't expect you to so it's okay.

[bodhi]

Hey, geoff.

X-Rated Bible verses (http://www.2think.org/xbible.shtml)


GENESIS
17:9-14 Circumcision mandated
19:1-8 Rape virgins instead of male angels
19:30-38 Righteous man impregnates his 2 daughters while drunk
24:2-3, 9 Place your hand "under the thigh" (sexual organs) of someone swearing sacred oaths
25:1-6 Keeping mistresses is not adultery
32:25 God grabs Jacob's testicles
34:1-31 Brothers are riled when sister is defiled
35:2 Reuben sleeps with father's concubine
38:1-10 Onan's method of birth control not approved
38:12-30 Tamar plays the harlot to seduce father-in-law
39:1-20 Women tries to rape man
47:29 Joseph ordered to place his hand under father's thigh
EXODUS
20:26 God specifies building of altar to prevent exposure of nakedness
22:19 Death decreed for bestiality
33:17-23 God moons Moses
NUMBERS
31:1-18; 28-47 God commands genocide of Midianites, Moses orders that virgins be kept, other captives slain
5:11-31 God's fidelity test for women only
LEVITICUS
12:1-8 Bible calls childbirth a sin and bearing females a greater sin than bearing males
15:16-18 Sperm and intercourse are unclean
15:19-33 Menstruation unclean; elaborate rules
15:29-30 Women must make sin offering for menstrual periods
18:22 Homosexuality declared an abomination
18:23 More bestiality
19:1,20-22 Man gets forgiven, slave girl gets flogging
20:10 Adulterers shall be put to death
20:13 Death decreed for homosexuals
20:15-16 Death decreed for bestiality (& beast)
26:29 Curse: Eat your sons and daughters
DEUTERONOMY
3:1-7 Kill men, women, & children
21:10-14 God okays captured maidens as trial wives
22:5 Men's clothing not to be worn by women, & vice versa
22:13-21 A bride not a virgin must die
22:23-26 Virgin raped in city given no pity
23:12-14 Defecation: Carry paddle, dig hole, & cover up
25:5-10 Woman has cause to spit in man's face
25:11-12 A woman shall have her hand cut off for touching a penis
22:28-29 Paying father to have sex with daughter
23:1 Man "wounded in the stones" can't enter congregation
23:2 Children born out of wedlock condemned as bastards to 10th generation
23:10-11 Cleanliness called for in nocturnal emissions
24:1 Man can divorce wife through eviction
28:27 Hemorrhoids ("emerods") punishment for sin
28:30 Lord's curse: Another man shall lie with groom's bride first
28:53-57 Curse: Eat your own body & children
JUDGES
3:20-22 Dagger in fat king's gut gets "dirt" out
4:4-22 Hammer & nail murder by woman
8:30 Gideon had many wives, concubines
11:29-40 Jephtha's daughter: human sacrifice
19:1-30 Woman raped and ruined by homosexuals
21:6-25 Amidst carnage virgins captured for wives
RUTH
3:6-9 To "hook" him as husband, Ruth sleeps with Boaz
4:9-10 Boaz buys Ruth
I SAMUEL
5:9-12 Philistines "smitten with emerods" as punishment for stealing ark
6:1-5 To placate God, make golden emerods
15:3 God orders Saul to kill suckling babes
18:23-27 200 foreskins gain David a king's daughter
25:22,34 Any that pisseth against the wall
II SAMUEL
3:7 More concubine hanky-panky
11:1-27 Uriah sent to lose his life so David can get his wife
12:7-12 Obscene performance to be viewed by all Israel
5:13 David had many wives, concubines
Chapter 13 Amnon rapes his sister
16:20-23 Absalom copulates with father's concubines on rooftop
20:3 David imprisons concubines for above
I KINGS
1:1-4 Virgin as therapy for sick old man unsuccessful
11:1-10 Wise Solomon has wives and concubines galore
14:10 Him that pisseth against the wall
16:11 One that pisseth against a wall
21:21 Him that pisseth against the wall
II KINGS
6:24-33 "So we boiled my son, and did eat him"
9:8 Subject not mentioned in sermons
23:7 Male houses of prostitution destroyed
I CHRONICLES
1:32-33 Abraham's concubines have children
II CHRONICLES
11:21 King Rehoboam had 18 wives & 60 concubines
ESTHER
Chapters 1-2 Sexual contest to decide new queen
SONG OF SOLOMON (the whole thing!)
ISAIAH
3:16 "...and the Lord will discover their secret parts"
9:20 Every man shall eat the flesh of his own arm
14:21-22 Slaughter children for fathers' iniquity
16:11 Biblical boast: "My bowels shall sound like an harp"
36:12 Eating dung and drinking piss
JEREMIAH
16:4 Grievous, obscene deaths
LAMENTATIONS
2:19 Something to lament
4:10 Women boil children for food
EZEKIEL
4:12-15 God says: Eat bread defiled with dung
5:8-10 What's for dinner?
8:2 Lord's loins make guest appearance
16:15 Fornications pour out
16:36-37 Their "filthiness poured out..."
23:1-40 Sex organs and ejaculate of harlots' lovers compared to asses & horses
29:7-8 God performs bloody castration via a sword
HOSEA
1:2-11 God tells Hosea to take whore to wife
2:1-15 Complications ensue (lewdly described)
NAHUM
3:4-6 Lord: "I will discover thy skirts upon thy face"
MALACHI
2:1-4 An angry god will spread feces on your faces
MATTHEW
5:27-30 A man may lust but it's not considered just
5:31-32 Man can divorce wife for fornication only
19:3-9 Man who divorces and remarries is adulterer
19:12 Castrate yourself for Jesus
22:24 Law of Onan (you have to marry your dead brother's wife)
LUKE
2:21 Eight day old Jesus is circumcised
ACTS
5:38 Eunuch baptized
15:24 Circumcision is not commandment
16:3 Paul circumcises adult
ROMANS
1:26-32 Gay men and lesbians "worthy of death"
I CORINTHIANS
6:18-20 Abstain from sex
7:1-40 To be more holy, refrain from sex wholly
7:18-19 If you're not circumcised, stay that way
GALATIANS
5:1-4 Paul speaks against circumcision
REVELATION
17:1-6 A whore is stripped, eaten and burned

Heh.

[bodhi]

No, you're worked up because with every post I make, your posts become more antagonistic. See, my posts are consistent. Meaning my feelings and emotions are stable, whereas you seem grow flustered. It's cool, Alex (ha, I forgot that was your name before you said it). I understand that when you can't prove someone wrong or use facts to show intellectual superiority, you resort to fabricated personal attacks and stale drama that you really don't know the details of.

Started with turning my username into something else, intended to be degrading (lol, I remember that shit being cool in 2007), and then trying to provoke me with the old, irrelevant relationship mishaps.

Speaking of boring.

Oh wait. I'm boring, yet you can't help but to type out a book everytime I post.


What is it, Alex... am I boring or are you flustered?



lol. Right on queue.



I lol'ed @ ignorant mexican nobody.

Quite the imagination you have, there, Tic Tac. Unfortunately, you've barely said anything true and I completely expect that to continue.LOL

[bodhi]

btw,

wassup QD!?

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They call it Kiddushin and Nisuin and follow their own set of religious guidelines. I would welcome gay people to do the same. Create their own tradition vs interfering with the existing tradition. There's about 4 million gay people in america. About 80% of americans are christians. I dont think it's fair to allow those 4 million to change a tradition as old as america itself. If it goes to vote in my state and passes, more power to them. I'm just expressing my opinion. Im still trying to figure out what your opinion is. What about non religious people, should they be made to participate in a Christian ceremony in order to be recognized as a couple? It seems like you want to keep the religious connotation to it, despite the fact that marriage has been around longer than modern religion. Let's take the religious meaning out of it. Can two atheists get married outside of the church?


Do you honestly support this cause or are you just sticking with your far left stance? I dont see a benefit of trying to ingrain homosexuality into our society. I accept them, but i dont want to promote them.Far left? Really? More than 50% of Americans agree with me. I support societal progression. I guess some would also marijuana legalization is a far left stance too, even though 70% of the country supports it. Theres more benefit from tolerating homosexuality than there is opposing it.

[Got Milk?]

As an atheist, one day i will chose to participate in the marriage ceremony without changing any of the guidelines of it. It'll look like any other marriage, be in a church, be done by a preacher, cake and tuxedos the whole 9. I wont offend anyone by doing this because im not seeking to change anything about it. I love christmas too.... i like christmas trees, christmas songs, christmas cookies, christmas lights and gifts and all of that too. I chose to participate in these things AS THEY ARE. Gay people shouldnt be allowed to change something that other's hold sacred. Nobody would deny gays the right to unite themselves under whatever label they chose or to have marital benefits. Nobody wants to stop gay people from being together. Gay people are the ones on the offensive here, seeking to alter anything that doesnt support their lifestyle. If you like marriage, then participate......... find you a nice person of opposing gender and enjoy everything marriage has to offer. If not, then dont participate. Your choice.


I've always thought about it this way, my brother. About the only logical thing posted in this entire thread. :goodjob:

[quickdodge®]

QD: it does indeed effect me when a Christian is told to keep their beliefs and practices out of government while gays are able to force their agenda on the American people. They cry bigotry and injustice when none of the sort is taking place.

Again, I ask. How is this affecting your life? Will you lose your job or get a pay cut because of their actions. Is your job in jeopardy if gays are allowed to get married? Is your marriage (if you're married) or relationship (if you're not) in peril? How will your quality of life decrease if the gay community is allowed to get legally married. None of the above will affect me. That's why it's no big to me what they do one way or the other.

By the way, I don't see them "forcing their agenda" on anyone. I see them trying to get rights to get married. How is that forcing something on you?


I agree that being gay is a choice and not genetic though. You hear of women going gay after being burned or getting tired of men all the time.

Holy shit I guess all theories and studies can be put to rest now that this has been chimed in. Debate over.

THREAD LOCKED!


btw,

wassup QD!?

Oh, before the lock, what it is, Alex! How are you and yours? Later, QD.

[C230K]

ImportAtlanta should change its name to DebateAtlanta.

Its interesting to read other peoples views on a certain topic

[C230K]

Something I found

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I get the sentiment, but no. That's not how gasoline works. Lol

[Matt300ZXT]

How is that not the exact same way the Chick Fil A thing works? You don't like that he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman, so in protest you don't buy his chicken. You NEED food to live, but you have the choice to get Burger King, or cook for yourself, or whatever. However, the oil families in Saudi Arabia are moooooost likely muslim, and they believe homosexuality is punishable by death, but you still buy their gas? That is the exact same thing. You don't NEED gas to live but to support your way of getting to work and your car hobby, you have to buy it.

This reminds me of a story my friend told me once. He had this gf at one time, who was (probably still is) big into PETA. He thinks PETA is retarded but went because it was a free trip to Vegas in a nice hotel and lots of free drinks. He goes to one of the PETA rallies out on the street and they're looking at a video screen of a montage of PETA activists throwing red paint and stuff on little old ladies wearing their new fur coats or furs around their necks, etc. Everyone is cheering the video on because they're picking on little old ladies who can't really do anything about it. My friend, who was drunk off his ass, speaks up and says hey, you guys applaud these people throwing paint on these lady's coats? They say yes, to which he replies how come there are no pictures or video of you guys throwing paint on the bikers who wear leather? There was a deafening silence for a few moments. Simply put, the bikers would have beaten these limp wristed PETA pantywastes to a bloody pulp and they know that...so they just pick and choose their battles.

So it's easy for you to boycott Chick Fil A because you think he's some anti fag hate monger, yet you have no problem going to buy gas from documented fag hating fag murderers?

[Sinfix_15]

Im still trying to figure out what your opinion is. What about non religious people, should they be made to participate in a Christian ceremony in order to be recognized as a couple? It seems like you want to keep the religious connotation to it, despite the fact that marriage has been around longer than modern religion. Let's take the religious meaning out of it. Can two atheists get married outside of the church?

Far left? Really? More than 50% of Americans agree with me. I support societal progression. I guess some would also marijuana legalization is a far left stance too, even though 70% of the country supports it. Theres more benefit from tolerating homosexuality than there is opposing it.

Even though i do not believe in religion, im not on a quest to rid the world of religion. I want to co-exist with christians. I dont want them to effect my life, i dont want to effect their life. My message to the world would be that people have the right to make a choice and that there is actually a choice to be made. As an atheist, i can chose to participate in christian events or chose not to. Even though i'm an atheist, i can walk into any church i want and sit down and listen to them. I'm welcome to participate in these things as long as i follow the rules. If i walked into a church and started yelling to people that god wasnt real, im sure they would ask me to leave. Marriage is between a man and a woman. It always has been. If gay people do not agree with the rules, then dont participate. Nobody is denying them benefits, nobody is telling them they cant hug, kiss or hold hands in public. They can even adopt and raise children. They can do anything they want to do..... why do they have to change something that a very large group of people hold sacred. There are compromises to be made.

[Sinfix_15]

Again, I ask. How is this affecting your life? Will you lose your job or get a pay cut because of their actions. Is your job in jeopardy if gays are allowed to get married? Is your marriage (if you're married) or relationship (if you're not) in peril? How will your quality of life decrease if the gay community is allowed to get legally married. None of the above will affect me. That's why it's no big to me what they do one way or the other.

By the way, I don't see them "forcing their agenda" on anyone. I see them trying to get rights to get married. How is that forcing something on you?



Holy shit I guess all theories and studies can be put to rest now that this has been chimed in. Debate over.

THREAD LOCKED!



Oh, before the lock, what it is, Alex! How are you and yours? Later, QD.

It tarnishes the meaning of a tradition. I personally dont believe in burial rituals, but maybe you do. would it effect your life in any way if i purchased the local mortuary, dug up all of your deceased relatives and used them to fertilize my garden? would you lose your job if i did that? would your quality of life decrease if i did that?

To me, burial is a silly thing. I dont believe in it, i think its a waste of space, but i respect that you and/or other people believe in it and i show it respect. Gay people do not care about respecting the current institution of marriage or care about who they offend. So it's hard to care about offending them. So you cant get married? dont give a shit.

[David88vert]

This is the only part that caught my attention, really. Cases of homosexuality date back to biblical times so Professor Miron's perspective about it becoming extinct really makes no sense. Gayness is not an adaptation so it wasn't formed through our evolutionary journey - it's a condition or abnormality.

Children that are born gay are created by two heterosexual people. Not a gay man and a straight woman, but again by TWO straight people. Their mother had an attraction to their father, who is male and who had an attraction to their mother. Why would you even bother posting an article by mainstream professors who aren't truely going to reveal the true report of their research? It's not something the public wants to hear, it's not something the people is ready to accept.

Homosexuality is a genetic mutation that occurs right before you either stay female or become male. Because I'm sure you know that every fetus is female then develops into male or female. In the males you obviously have the X/Y chormosomes. So many things can occur during this process. You could become male, female or even a third gender or like I've said a hijra (middle-eastern's version of a transgender). This type of condition goes back to Mesopotamia mythology. When a boy is born he is subconsciously attracted to his mother, and the father tends to get jealous over his son when the mother gives the boy too much attention. As a boy gets older he starts looking up to his father and wants to be like him, but wants a wife that's like his mother. In the girl's case is just the opposite, she looks up to her father as an object and wants a husband like him. (in both cases not EXACTLY like their parents that would be just too damn fucked up). I'm sure you know all this though right, David88vert?

Slowly men are becoming more senstive and emotional because of the BPA, a common chemical found in plastic water bottles and plastic food containers, that mimics estrogen in the body.

Estrogen, a sex hormone, causes men to become more emotional and effeminate, and it causes women to become more rational and masculine. When you look at a shemale you see the physical manifestation of the same sexual confusion you see in yourselves. There is no reason for BPA to be used in the manufacture of plastic. It serves no industrial purpose, it's just a chemical capable of simulating a human sex hormone in the body. But yet almost all plastic bottles and containers have very high amounts of BPA in them.

Then of course there's all the bottles and containers coming out now that say, "BPA FREE!" All of these bottles and containers happen to contain, not BPA, but another chemical which is also capable of simulating estrogen. Another estrogen-like chemical that has no reason, no purpose, and no business being used in plastic. But yet it's not only prevalent, it's damn near universal.

David88vert, when did you "choose" to be straight? I don't remember "choosing" to be straight, I just am. So what makes you think someone "chooses" to be homosexual? Wouldn't it work the same way? They just are? It's not a single gene that makes things what they are or who they are - it's an entire genetic sequence and billions of different combinations. In fooling around with genetic sequences, we could accidently create a "catnip" or "geoff" strand and end up with a bunch of completely dumbfuckin' tools.

Most gay people would not consider themselves a genetic mistake. With no scientific proof of genetics impacting homosexuality, is it wise to tell them that they are a genetic abnormality? I don't believe that is wise personally. We do know that a person can choose to be gay, straight, or not to be involved with anyone/thing. Sexual attraction is not somthing that cannot be controlled, like eye color or hair color. You cannot consciously decide that you want your eye or hair color to change, and then it change with just mental power. You can choose to involve or not involve yourself with either gender. Having masculine or feminine tendencies does not mean that a person is gay or has to involve themselves in homosexuality.

I personally agree that if there was any genetic impact on homosexuality, it would be a collection of genes, not an individual one, and if they are found, I am open to that if ti is found in the future; however, I am unwilling to take it on faith, when it is supposed to be science, not religion.

As for your other question - I choose to be straight everytime that I am with someone. I could just as easily choose to not have any relationships or be gay if that is what I chose to do. We are not robots or animals - we think, we make choices, and we live with the consequences. In our current time, a person has the freedom to choose to be gay, but they have to live with the consequence that they cannot be legally married. Every choice has consequences, and to claim that "my genes made me do it" is just a lack of personal responsibility.

[David88vert]

Dont worry about where I teach at. That's irrelevant. Just worry about the fact that you are scientifically inept.

Twisting my words again. I said exactly what the APA has stated. There are environmental, societal, and biological factors. You still have yet to come up with the definition of a biological factor. Probably cause when you recognize the correct definition, your entire argument will crumble on itself. Not that it already isn't.

Havent changed my mind one bit. The difference between me and you is I understand what this means. You don't.

Exactly what I thought. Dismissed.

Ohhhh is that how it works?

Chemicals have an effect on biology and are categorized by real scientists as biological factors. You can use Google to check everything, since you don't understand. If you think that the scientists are incorrect, then you can explain it to them. Same with Princeton, why don't you call them up and tell them that they are scientifically inept? The fact is, you don't know anything about genetics, or even scientific definitions.

The APA was very clear, and stated there was no consensus. You stated that there was a consensus of a majority of scientists. You still can't admit you were wrong. That's ok, everyone else knows the truth.

You can live in denial, and believe what you want, and it doesn't matter if it is right or wrong. You are taking it blindly on faith, not in founded scientific fact. It is your religion, and that's ok. It's funny how you criticize Christians for their faith, but you are no different.

[David88vert]

Hey, geoff.

X-Rated Bible verses (http://www.2think.org/xbible.shtml)



Heh.



Who determined that the Bible and Christians were only supposed to be PG? Life isn't PG...

[David88vert]

Im still trying to figure out what your opinion is. What about non religious people, should they be made to participate in a Christian ceremony in order to be recognized as a couple? It seems like you want to keep the religious connotation to it, despite the fact that marriage has been around longer than modern religion. Let's take the religious meaning out of it. Can two atheists get married outside of the church?

Far left? Really? More than 50% of Americans agree with me. I support societal progression. I guess some would also marijuana legalization is a far left stance too, even though 70% of the country supports it. Theres more benefit from tolerating homosexuality than there is opposing it.

Again, no one has to have any ceremony to be married legally. You just don't get it. You have obviously never been married.
A marriage license is not the same as a marriage ceremony.

Yes, two atheists can get married outside a church. They simply go to the courthouse, pay for the marriage license, and the judge marries them in the courtroom. It happens every day across the country. Christians do that also all the time. It is non-religious.

[David88vert]

Again, I ask. How is this affecting your life? Will you lose your job or get a pay cut because of their actions. Is your job in jeopardy if gays are allowed to get married? Is your marriage (if you're married) or relationship (if you're not) in peril? How will your quality of life decrease if the gay community is allowed to get legally married. None of the above will affect me. That's why it's no big to me what they do one way or the other.

By the way, I don't see them "forcing their agenda" on anyone. I see them trying to get rights to get married. How is that forcing something on you?



Holy shit I guess all theories and studies can be put to rest now that this has been chimed in. Debate over.

THREAD LOCKED!



Oh, before the lock, what it is, Alex! How are you and yours? Later, QD.

Unfortunately, the "gay rights" groups are not pursuing the proper methods to change the laws. I do not see state congressmen submitting propositions for voting on it. I see that the "gay rights" groups are attempting to circumvent the state laws by looking for a federal mandate to override state laws. That is "forcing the issue".

[Elbow]

How is that not the exact same way the Chick Fil A thing works? You don't like that he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman, so in protest you don't buy his chicken. You NEED food to live, but you have the choice to get Burger King, or cook for yourself, or whatever. However, the oil families in Saudi Arabia are moooooost likely muslim, and they believe homosexuality is punishable by death, but you still buy their gas? That is the exact same thing. You don't NEED gas to live but to support your way of getting to work and your car hobby, you have to buy it.

This reminds me of a story my friend told me once. He had this gf at one time, who was (probably still is) big into PETA. He thinks PETA is retarded but went because it was a free trip to Vegas in a nice hotel and lots of free drinks. He goes to one of the PETA rallies out on the street and they're looking at a video screen of a montage of PETA activists throwing red paint and stuff on little old ladies wearing their new fur coats or furs around their necks, etc. Everyone is cheering the video on because they're picking on little old ladies who can't really do anything about it. My friend, who was drunk off his ass, speaks up and says hey, you guys applaud these people throwing paint on these lady's coats? They say yes, to which he replies how come there are no pictures or video of you guys throwing paint on the bikers who wear leather? There was a deafening silence for a few moments. Simply put, the bikers would have beaten these limp wristed PETA pantywastes to a bloody pulp and they know that...so they just pick and choose their battles.

So it's easy for you to boycott Chick Fil A because you think he's some anti fag hate monger, yet you have no problem going to buy gas from documented fag hating fag murderers?

News flash: YOU NEED GAS.

Don't buy gas, don't go to work.
Don't buy gas, don't get food.
Don't buy gas, don't go to the doctor.
Don't buy gas, don't bring your kid to school.

But wait, Simon, you twit, they can ride the bus, carpool, or something else.

Hey, moron, EVERYTHING goes back to putting at least something in their pocket.

I personally think it's stupid people won't eat Chicken-fil-a because of the owners comment, if he banned gays, or said he didn't welcome homosexuals, than people should be mad. Personally I've never been a fan so it doesn't matter to me, the only reason I'd be hesitant to go is I don't know what day it is there now. Is it I'm Gay Day, I Hate Homos Day, or what?

To the rest of the thread though:

I support gay marriage and I believe in God. Anyone that doesn't support gay marriage has no real argument, it messes up tradition, it's dirty, blah blah blah. Anyone that brings in religion should remember that God is supposedly a forgiving and understanding man, times have changed, it's not like people decide to just go out and be gay because they have weird sexual desires, well some may, but the ones that we're speaking of don't fall in that group.

IT WILL NOT HURT ANYONE AT ALL IF JOE AND TONY GET MARRIED.

[David88vert]

News flash: YOU NEED GAS.

Don't buy gas, don't go to work.
Don't buy gas, don't get food.
Don't buy gas, don't go to the doctor.
Don't buy gas, don't bring your kid to school.

But wait, Simon, you twit, they can ride the bus, carpool, or something else.

Hey, moron, EVERYTHING goes back to putting at least something in their pocket.

I personally think it's stupid people won't eat Chicken-fil-a because of the owners comment, if he banned gays, or said he didn't welcome homosexuals, than people should be mad. Personally I've never been a fan so it doesn't matter to me, the only reason I'd be hesitant to go is I don't know what day it is there now. Is it I'm Gay Day, I Hate Homos Day, or what?

To the rest of the thread though:

I support gay marriage and I believe in God. Anyone that doesn't support gay marriage has no real argument, it messes up tradition, it's dirty, blah blah blah. Anyone that brings in religion should remember that God is supposedly a forgiving and understanding man, times have changed, it's not like people decide to just go out and be gay because they have weird sexual desires, well some may, but the ones that we're speaking of don't fall in that group.

IT WILL NOT HURT ANYONE AT ALL IF JOE AND TONY GET MARRIED.

Get a job in the city, live downtown, walk to work. Or - Create your own bio-fuel.
Get an electric car, get a bicycle, etc. If you really wanted to stay away from foreign oil, you could.

It's more convienent to use regular gas though.

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Get a job in the city, live downtown, walk to work. Or - Create your own bio-fuel.
Get an electric car, get a bicycle, etc. If you really wanted to stay away from foreign oil, you could.

It's more convienent to use regular gas though.

It's not the same for a myriad of reasons. One being we dont buy the majority of our oil from Saudi Arabia, nor does our refined gasoline come from the middle east. However, To completely rid yourself of petroleum to get rid of any trace of, you have to get rid of your car, stop buying plastics, stop using your debit and credit cards, stop wearing polyester clothes (you Christians should be doing it anyway, it's a sin, just like being gay is), stop buying shoes...etc. etc.

[Elbow]

Get a job in the city, live downtown, walk to work. Or - Create your own bio-fuel.
Get an electric car, get a bicycle, etc. If you really wanted to stay away from foreign oil, you could.

It's more convienent to use regular gas though.

Maybe if you REALLY wanted to.

It would be stupid though.

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I support gay marriage and I believe in God. Anyone that doesn't support gay marriage has no real argument, it messes up tradition, it's dirty, blah blah blah. Anyone that brings in religion should remember that God is supposedly a forgiving and understanding man, times have changed, it's not like people decide to just go out and be gay because they have weird sexual desires, well some may, but the ones that we're speaking of don't fall in that group.Thank you

Any argument against gay marriage is biblically motivated, you take the bible out of the equation and you have nothing.

And we all agree science has explored the possibility of genetic and hormonal factors for homosexuality, and that being gay is as much of a conscious choice as being straight.

[geoff]

Quote me where I made a biblical argument in this thread against homosexuality.

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Quote me where I made a biblical argument in this thread against homosexuality.

It won't let me tag quote that much.

You can't make an argument against gay marriage without using a religious subtext.

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It won't let me tag quote that much.

You can't make an argument against gay marriage without using a religious subtext.

Make an argument against gay people being allowed to have civil unions with all the same benefits of being married?

[geoff]

Sure you can. I don't want my children being exposed to that lifestyle. They have no shame. Look at any video of a gay pride parade....you don't see heterosexuals parading down a street in chaps and groping eachother and making out in public. I don't want my children to be taught that it's ok to explore their sexuality with the same gender. I want them to keep their views out of politics just as those with religious views are expected to.

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Sure you can. I don't want my children being exposed to that lifestyle.You believe being gay is against gods will. Biblical


They have no shame. Look at any video of a gay pride parade....you don't see heterosexuals parading down a street in chaps and groping eachother and making out in public.Turn on the TV, walk outside of your home. Its all over the place.


I don't want my children to be taught that it's ok to explore their sexuality with the same gender.Sexual repression, biblically rooted; any psychologist worth his salt will tell you that's dangerous. If your kid is gay, he's going to be gay no matter how much you repress his sexuality. Period. Regardless, gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with that.

It would tickle me pink if your kid ended up being a homosexual, and to be honest, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.


I want them to keep their views out of politics just as those with religious views are expected to.No one is forcing you to marry a homosexual, Geoff. It will never happen. Ever. If gay marriage is unanimously passed, you would STILL not be forced marry a homosexual.

[ItODDospeed]

I see that there's religious-zealots are out here as well.

If gays/lesbians want to be married, who would I, or anyone be to stand in the way of what anyone wants. Some of the greatest founding Patriots of the U.S. stated (and I'm paraphrasing) that Christianity was the worst thing to happen to the U.S. Opposing what another wants for themselves is very anti-American. Freedom of religion is a founding spark to the U.S., and now some use their religion to bind others to their idealism. For shame...

FTR, most who are "offended" by public displays of affection by the same sex usually have the same thoughts inside their head. Usually they figure if they stop seeing the same sex PDA; then maybe it will leave their mind and others as well.

[bu villain]

Make an argument against gay people being allowed to have civil unions with all the same benefits of being married?

I think many people would be pretty happy with that but it's such an indirect way of doing it. If you think commited gay couples should have the same rights as "married" people, why create a new term when for the purposes of the law means exactly the same thing. It's kind of like the idea of separate but equal. If they have equal rights, why is a separate term needed? Christians can still believe marriage is only between one man and one woman but they shouldn't get to tell the state how to define marriage just as the state doesn't get to tell churchs who they can and cannot perform ceremonies for.

[bodhi]

haha, i love how geoff completely ignored my post.

[bodhi]

Sure you can. I don't want my children being exposed to that lifestyle. They have no shame. Look at any video of a gay pride parade....you don't see heterosexuals parading down a street in chaps and groping eachother and making out in public. I don't want my children to be taught that it's ok to explore their sexuality with the same gender. I want them to keep their views out of politics just as those with religious views are expected to.

you shivering abortion rolling around behind a dumpster, marinating in the fuming juice that oozes from garbage.

truthfully and no bullshit, that's got to be the stupidest thing to ever be said on importatlanta. your children are going to grow up closet-fags and scared to walk across the street without praying first. they're going to have nightmares of the boogeyman because you'll tell them something like "go to bed and be good or else it's gonna get you".

dogs are born with their eyes closed but eventually open them - what has stopped you!?

i just don't understand how someone could hold so much negativity in their pathetic little body. you, a man of christ, pretty much said that you will never expose your children to that lifestyle. you pretty much said that your children are TOO GOOD to be exposed to that horrific lifestyle. you have just said that it's disgusting and your children will hate those people just as much as you do. you're not even going to tell them about it (gay lifestyle), tell them why it happens, nor share inner wisdom. you as a parent have to teach your children the good, the bad, and the uglyness of the world. why hide the truth from them? are you going to FORCE your children to go to church and pray to something they cannot comprehend? especially as little ones!? religion and it's motivational teachings should be reserved until you're at least out of high school...

i mean, do you want your kids to become bullies in the name of god? because you know they will make fun of the kids in school who are "different"... right? as a parent you should teach them that it's okay to be different - to not follow the trends, to not allow others to make them cry, to be strong mentally. to stand up for themselves, to not blame god if something were to happen to you. to not blame god because he/she is overweight, to not blame god because they are not popular.

OPEN YOUR EYES, GEOFF!

jesus tap dancin' christ, evertime i read your posts i feel like going on a kitty killing spree i swear duh gawd

[Elbow]

You believe being gay is against gods will. Biblical

Turn on the TV, walk outside of your home. Its all over the place.

Sexual repression, biblically rooted; any psychologist worth his salt will tell you that's dangerous. If your kid is gay, he's going to be gay no matter how much you repress his sexuality. Period. Regardless, gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with that.

It would tickle me pink if your kid ended up being a homosexual, and to be honest, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

No one is forcing you to marry a homosexual, Geoff. It will never happen. Ever. If gay marriage is unanimously passed, you would STILL not be forced marry a homosexual.

This pretty much covered my reply.

[bodhi]

Oh, before the lock, what it is, Alex! How are you and yours? Later, QD.

life's good, man


ive grown up so much and the daughter has made me so proud.


you a gangsta so i know your family is doing just as good, if not better.

[Apex1972]

I'm an selfish asshole that doesn't care about anything that doesn't effect me, and I like chicken.


just like the rest of Americans. :goodjob:

[quickdodge®]

It tarnishes the meaning of a tradition. I personally dont believe in burial rituals, but maybe you do. would it effect your life in any way if i purchased the local mortuary, dug up all of your deceased relatives and used them to fertilize my garden? would you lose your job if i did that? would your quality of life decrease if i did that?

To me, burial is a silly thing. I dont believe in it, i think its a waste of space, but i respect that you and/or other people believe in it and i show it respect. Gay people do not care about respecting the current institution of marriage or care about who they offend. So it's hard to care about offending them. So you cant get married? dont give a shit.

Mother fucker. I had a perfectly laid out response in my head this morning when I read your reply. Now that I get home, I can't remember shit that I had. But I had a great rebuttal to this. I do know it has something to do with something that everyone has a choice in. Everyone has that choice as to whether or not they want to be buried. Gay people do not have a choice to get married. I don't see why them having that option is such a big deal.


Unfortunately, the "gay rights" groups are not pursuing the proper methods to change the laws. I do not see state congressmen submitting propositions for voting on it. I see that the "gay rights" groups are attempting to circumvent the state laws by looking for a federal mandate to override state laws. That is "forcing the issue".

But why is "forcing the issue" your problem? Why do you care if gay people are allowed to get married. I don't know a lot about what's going on because it has no bearing on me.


life's good, man


ive grown up so much and the daughter has made me so proud.


you a gangsta so i know your family is doing just as good, if not better.

Great to read, dude. Yes, we're getting by, man, thanks.

I must also throw out an lolol at Geoff for being scared of gay people. Funny stuff. Later, QD.

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Mother fucker. I had a perfectly laid out response in my head this morning when I read your reply. Now that I get home, I can't remember shit that I had. But I had a great rebuttal to this. I do know it has something to do with something that everyone has a choice in. Everyone has that choice as to whether or not they want to be buried. Gay people do not have a choice to get married. I don't see why them having that option is such a big deal.I'll help you out QD...

Tarnishing the meaning of a tradition. LOL. No. Gay marriage wont tarnish the meaning of marriage at all. Straight marriage already has that wrapped up. Here are some examples...

US Woman gets married to a rollercoaster
Woman getting married to fairground ride - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5972632/Woman-getting-married-to-fairground-ride.html)

Zsa Zsa Gabour and Felipe DeAlba, married for less than 24 hrs, Zsa Zsa has been married and divorced NINE TIMES, Remember--Divorce is equally as damning in the bible as homosexual marriage. EQUALLY.

German man marries his cat
Going Postal: German man marries his dying cat, Cecilia | News | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/05/04/german-man-marries-his-dying-cat-cecilia/)

Britney Spears and Jason Alexander, married and annulled in less than 3 days.

Honestly, if I wanted to keep listing whimsical celebrity marriages and divorces, I'd need another thread...

So no, gay marriage doesnt tarnish the sanctity of marriage. That argument has been squashed.

[geoff]

Bodhi: I didn't respond to your posts simply because you are a dumb ass. I don't want to waste my time typing out a lengthy response to someone that acts like a child and thinks his intellect is superior to everyone else's. I asked blank this same question...what qualifies you to give your "expert" opinion? What studies and experiments have you personally conducted? In all honesty, your opinion is shit. It has no more weight than my own. There is expert opinion and studies that say being gay is not genetic. So what then makes pro gay researchers opinions any more true than those with differing opinions? Nothing...nothing at all. There is no conclusive evidence. That's why it is still being researched .

I don't need to be religious to know that another man taking a shot in the mouth is not right or normal. I also don't need to be religious to know the anus/colon is not meant to be plowed. It is not a sexual organ, it is for waste. You claim superior intellect yet you can't see those two simple truths. You and the rest like you come up with lame rebuttles and stupid jokes and call yourselves "intellects". I don't hate gays. Does gay sex disgust me, yes. Unlike you, I don't find a guy rimming a dudes ass attractive or beautiful. I have so much to say, but I can't ask God to forgive me for something I don't feel bad about. I'm stepping out of this thread because you and blank have exhausted me. It's like trying to teach long division to a freakin retard. This is not simply a religious issue for me. I have long determined that this world is too f@cked up to be "saved". Put the gay issue to a vote. The states that vote gay marriage, let em have it. Those that don't, don't. Stop trying to take the issue further than that. One last thing, I hope someday your son and daughter begin a sexual relationship and you walk in on it. Then you can applaud them for being "in love" and practicing a consented loving relationship. And don't worry about mutant offspring, your son can just stick to anal. Later, Geoff.

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I don't need to be religious to know that another man taking a shot in the mouth is not right or normal. I also don't need to be religious to know the anus/colon is not meant to be plowed. It is not a sexual organ, it is for waste. You claim superior intellect yet you can't see those two simple truthsThey're beliefs, not truths. You BELIEVE this


You and the rest like you come up with lame rebuttles and stupid jokes and call yourselves "intellects". The word is intellectuals. We call ourselves intellectuals.


I don't hate gays. Thats debatable.


Does gay sex disgust me, yes. Unlike you, I don't find a guy rimming a dudes ass attractive or beautiful. I have so much to say, but I can't ask God to forgive me for something I don't feel bad about. I'm stepping out of this thread because you and blank have exhausted me. It's like trying to teach long division to a freakin retard. This is not simply a religious issue for me. I have long determined that this world is too f@cked up to be "saved". Put the gay issue to a vote. The states that vote gay marriage, let em have it. Those that don't, don't. Stop trying to take the issue further than that. One last thing, I hope someday your son and daughter begin a sexual relationship and you walk in on it. Then you can applaud them for being "in love" and practicing a consented loving relationship. And don't worry about mutant offspring, your son can just stick to anal. Later, Geoff. I've bolded a couple excerpts for your last post that have me disturbed and intrigued. As someone with a little Freudian psychology background, these excerpts make me believe you have some deep seeded issues. It troubles me that you may be experiencing some kind of sexual frustration, some feelings that have been repressed due to your beliefs.

[bodhi]

One last thing, I hope someday your son and daughter begin a sexual relationship and you walk in on it. Then you can applaud them for being "in love" and practicing a consented loving relationship. And don't worry about mutant offspring, your son can just stick to anal. Later, Geoff.

lol you know what's ironic about this?

according to your religious logic, the human race was pretty much created like that. daughters having sexual intercourse with their father, brother and sister, aunt and nephew, etc. etc.

man ain't that something? no evolution there, right? two people populated the entire earth. god bless us lol

on the real though, the only thing that will occur in the future with my son is him taking your daughter's virginity and anal-virginity all in one day, and also banging your miserable wife on the side... my daughter will break your son's heart for being an ugly, stupid ignorant lil' twerp in the form of humiliation infront of their high school cafeteria.

anyway, see ya later geoff, thanks for contributing jack shit to anothe religious-type of thread.

[geoff]

Bodhi and blank: maybe you two should get together and talk about feelings and how rich people are evil and Christians use magic to brainwash the population. You should do this after your game of dungeons and dragons and then "research" all that is to do with science so you can sound cool on a website no one really cares about. Then you can blow eachothers f@ck sticks until you fall asleep. Maybe tomorrow you will wake up with some commone sense and open ur eyes...that is after you wipe the fizz out of them. Good night

[RL...]

Geoff, you're an idiot. You just don't get it man. The rules which we live and define our culture are dependent upon time. The bible was written long enough ago that it is not relevant in our world today. Times have changed, people have changed. If you need a book to tell you that stealing and murder are sinful and wrong, than you're just a dumbass. And straight people make a mockery out of marriage, want proof, look at the divorce rate. People don't give a shit about marriage or about keeping its reputation. This comes down to one thing, people hating Gays which is kind of fucked up.

Geoff, you're the worst kind of Christian. You're over here telling people to "blow eachothers f@ck sticks until you fall asleep" among other things. Not very Christian like, which brings me to another point. Christians don't even follow the rules of their own religion.

[geoff]

I'm a Christian but I'm human too and we all have our limits. I've said it many times times before that I'm no model for Christianity. I purposely chose the words I used. Funny how when one talks down to a person with faith it's funny, yet flip the script and "shock and awe" your not a true Christian. You see, even atheists know Christians live to a higher code of morality. Just goes to show that an atheist can not show the same level of respect or humanity that a Christian would show them. Your whole post just let me know you know nothing about Christianity. We don't follow some ancient book. Everyone has morals. I don't need the Bible to tell me it's wrong, I already know it is. The bible is very much relevant to a Christians life, but I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that. You did say one thing true though. The bible is not relevant in this "modern" world. People don't care for Christ or what he did. He said Homself it would be like this. It does not surprise me. Soon enough though, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that He is Lord. I just hope I get my act together by then, otherwise I'm I'm the same boat as these guys.

This world is beyond "saving". But maybe a few hungry souls looking for direction can find fulfillment in Christ. I like debating on this site. It lets you know what kind of people are out there. I have done my part to "evangelize" on here. No need to "preach" anything more than the cross of Calvary. It may seem foolish to you, but this message has helped some people on here. You would be surprised to see the responses I've received from such a simple message. As much as I can't stand Bodhi for his lack of respect or blank for his pig headedness, they are both children of God; so I apologize to both of you. Hopefully I have she'd some light to how ridiculous your attitudes are. God bless.

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I think this is pretty relevant...

http://i.imgur.com/mRwFY.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

I think many people would be pretty happy with that but it's such an indirect way of doing it. If you think commited gay couples should have the same rights as "married" people, why create a new term when for the purposes of the law means exactly the same thing. It's kind of like the idea of separate but equal. If they have equal rights, why is a separate term needed? Christians can still believe marriage is only between one man and one woman but they shouldn't get to tell the state how to define marriage just as the state doesn't get to tell churchs who they can and cannot perform ceremonies for.

You answered a question with a question and i can answer it with the same question i asked you to begin with. Why change a tradition that a large portion of christians hold sacred? Why arent gay people happy with civil unions? they can be together, they can live together, they get benefits? why arent that happy with that?

Because they want the title "married". The same way christians want that title to remain between a man and woman. Who's right? neither? both?.... so there needs to be a compromise.

[Sinfix_15]

I think one of the problems in this thread is the way people argue. Bodhi vs Geoff, Bodhi just wants to call Geoff stupid which isnt the case. Even if you disagree with Geoff, which i do very often, he presents his argument well. In a debate like this, i dont want the other person to feel stupid, i want to convince them that what im saying is accurate. If all you do is read someone's post and make a list of "this is why youre stupid" comments, youre never gonna get anywhere. I try.... not always successfully, to ask a question that might stump your way of thinking or make you second guess your argument, not trying to make anyone feel stupid. By all means.... i like an aggressive approach, go at them..... but taking turns calling each other stupid isnt going to solve anything.

[Sinfix_15]

I think this is pretty relevant...

http://i.imgur.com/mRwFY.jpg

This is a valid argument, particularly the part about marriage being defined as a man and a women, which is the most common argument against gay marriage.

[David88vert]

It's not the same for a myriad of reasons. One being we dont buy the majority of our oil from Saudi Arabia, nor does our refined gasoline come from the middle east. However, To completely rid yourself of petroleum to get rid of any trace of, you have to get rid of your car, stop buying plastics, stop using your debit and credit cards, stop wearing polyester clothes (you Christians should be doing it anyway, it's a sin, just like being gay is), stop buying shoes...etc. etc.

LOL

Buy US made. You can make do if it is really that important to you (it's not to me).


Maybe if you REALLY wanted to.

It would be stupid though.

Point is, it is possible. Yes, I agree that it is not for most, including you and me.

[David88vert]

I see that there's religious-zealots are out here as well.

If gays/lesbians want to be married, who would I, or anyone be to stand in the way of what anyone wants. Some of the greatest founding Patriots of the U.S. stated (and I'm paraphrasing) that Christianity was the worst thing to happen to the U.S. Opposing what another wants for themselves is very anti-American. Freedom of religion is a founding spark to the U.S., and now some use their religion to bind others to their idealism. For shame...

FTR, most who are "offended" by public displays of affection by the same sex usually have the same thoughts inside their head. Usually they figure if they stop seeing the same sex PDA; then maybe it will leave their mind and others as well.

You are referring to Thomas Jefferson's letter to Joseph Priestly in 1801. You need to read it in context. Letters (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=JefLett.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=136&division=div1)

Whole quote:
"I learnt some time ago that you were in Philadelphia, but that it was only for a fortnight; & supposed you were gone. It was not till yesterday I received information that you were still there, had been very ill, but were on the recovery. I sincerely rejoice that you are so. Yours is one of the few lives precious to mankind, & for the continuance of which every thinking man is solicitous. Bigots may be an exception. What an effort, my dear Sir, of bigotry in Politics & Religion have we gone through! The barbarians really flattered themselves they should be able to bring back the times of Vandalism, when ignorance put everything into the hands of power & priestcraft. All advances in science were proscribed as innovations. They pretended to praise and encourage education, but it was to be the education of our ancestors. We were to look backwards, not forwards, for improvement; the President himself declaring, in one of his answers to addresses, that we were never to expect to go beyond them in real science. This was the real ground of all the attacks on you. Those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy, -- the most sublime & benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man, to crush your well-earnt & well-deserved fame. But it was the Lilliputians upon Gulliver. Our countrymen have recovered from the alarm into which art & industry had thrown them; science & honesty are replaced on their high ground; and you, my dear Sir, as their great apostle, are on it's pinnacle. It is with heartfelt satisfaction that, in the first moments of my public action, I can hail you with welcome to our land, tender to you the homage of it's respect & esteem, cover you under the protection of those laws which were made for the wise and good like you, and disdain the legitimacy of that libel on legislation, which under the form of a law, was for some time placed among them."

[David88vert]

I think many people would be pretty happy with that but it's such an indirect way of doing it. If you think commited gay couples should have the same rights as "married" people, why create a new term when for the purposes of the law means exactly the same thing. It's kind of like the idea of separate but equal. If they have equal rights, why is a separate term needed? Christians can still believe marriage is only between one man and one woman but they shouldn't get to tell the state how to define marriage just as the state doesn't get to tell churchs who they can and cannot perform ceremonies for.



Currently, it is legally defined in each state. Just get enough people to tell their state congressman to change the law. It's that simple, but the gay community doesn't seem to be interested in doing it the proper legal way.

[David88vert]

But why is "forcing the issue" your problem? Why do you care if gay people are allowed to get married. I don't know a lot about what's going on because it has no bearing on me.


It is everyone's problem when they do not wish to follow the process to properly change the law. Everyone else has to petition their state congressmen when they want a marriage law changed, why should a specific special interest minority group be allowed to overthrow the normal process?

In 1996, GA enacted section 19-3-3.1 in the Georgia Code, stopping gay marriage in other states from being recognized in GA. The gay community has not even bothered to make much of a challenge to the law.

In 2004, GA's state congress passed SR 595, which ameded the GA state Constitution to define marriage as one man - one woman. Again, the gay community has not mounted any real challenge to the law.

Why can't the gay community work to change the GA law through the legal process? Do they think that they cannot get enough support?

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LOL

Buy US made. You can make do if it is really that important to you (it's not to me).Buy only US made products containing plastic produced by refined petroleum from the US? LOL. No. This isnt how crude oil works. You dont just go down to the store and buy it and refine it. Could you live without petroleum based products in your life? Maybe, but you'd lead a sad, miserable existence. No clothes, no blinds on your windows, and no heat in your home. No way to get to and from work except walking barefoot in the grass

[David88vert]

Buy only US made products containing plastic produced by refined petroleum from the US? LOL. No. This isnt how crude oil works. You dont just go down to the store and buy it and refine it. Could you live without petroleum based products in your life? Maybe, but you'd lead a sad, miserable existence. No clothes, no blinds on your windows, and no heat in your home. No way to get to and from work except walking barefoot in the grass

I never said that it would be easy..... and it wouldn't be for me.

I'm not the one calling for boycotts of CFA either though....

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You are referring to Thomas Jefferson's letter to Joseph Priestly in 1801. You need to read it in contextThe founding fathers were quite clear on their stance on Christianity, here are a couple letters. Make sure you read them in context...


Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.


"Give a loose to them, they will support the true religion, by bringing every false one to their tribunal, to the test of their investigation. They are the natural enemies of error, and of error only. Had not the Roman government permitted free enquiry, Christianity could never have been introduced. Had not free enquiry been indulged, at the aera of the reformation, the corruptions of Christianity could not have been purged away."

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity"Here's some extra context. Remember, context is key

http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JefVirg.html

Read Thomas Paines "The Age of Reason". Thomas Paine was a British deist, an american revolutionary, and a political activist, notable for his criticism and ridicule of the Christian church.

[David88vert]

The founding fathers were quite clear on their stance on Christianity, here are a couple letters. Make sure you read them in context...



Here's some extra context. Remember, context is key

Notes on the State of Virginia (http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JefVirg.html)

Read Thomas Paines "The Age of Reason". Thomas Paine was a British deist, an american revolutionary, and a political activist, notable for his criticism and ridicule of the Christian church.


I did not say that Thomas Jefferson was a Christian, although he claimed in 1803 that he was in a letter to Benjamin Rush. He was involved in his local Episcopal Church, but most people had to be in order to keep up with what was happening in their community. He was definitely a deist, and not an atheist. Interestingly, he believed in Jesus, and his teachings, but not exactly in the Christian God as a non-material being.
This particular passage is often misquoted, hence the complete text is needed to understand his meaning more clearly.
BTW- Are you aware that Thomas Jefferson originally support a ban on clerics from being able to hold any public office? When he got older, he said that they had the same rights as anyone else to hold public office.

Thomas Paine was a diest and believed in God, but definitely did not believe in the Bible/Christianity. He also did not believe in organized religion.

[bodhi]

I think one of the problems in this thread is the way people argue. Bodhi vs Geoff, Bodhi just wants to call Geoff stupid which isnt the case. Even if you disagree with Geoff, which i do very often, he presents his argument well. In a debate like this, i dont want the other person to feel stupid, i want to convince them that what im saying is accurate. If all you do is read someone's post and make a list of "this is why youre stupid" comments, youre never gonna get anywhere. I try.... not always successfully, to ask a question that might stump your way of thinking or make you second guess your argument, not trying to make anyone feel stupid. By all means.... i like an aggressive approach, go at them..... but taking turns calling each other stupid isnt going to solve anything.this isn't a thread in the religious/politics section, dork

ot means whoreslounge which means post the way ya fuckin' want. plus, religious arguments have never accomplished what an atheist or believer hopes for. the point for me was never to solve anything, since everything i've stated is completely true, whereas geoff has only posted his faith - no true facts about anything.
i presented verses from the bible that contradicts itself (VERY basic approach), which is why geoff couldn't tackle it

responding with a question is not my style...quick and aggressively making your point wins arguments

[bodhi]

to be honest, i didn't think this was gonna turn into what it did...

i thought we were gonna end up discussing fast food or the horrible process in which we get our chicken

[Sinfix_15]

this isn't a thread in the religious/politics section, dork

ot means whoreslounge which means post the way ya fuckin' want. plus, religious arguments have never accomplished what an atheist or believer hopes for. the point for me was never to solve anything, since everything i've stated is completely true, whereas geoff has only posted his faith - no true facts about anything.
i presented verses from the bible that contradicts itself (VERY basic approach), which is why geoff couldn't tackle it

responding with a question is not my style...quick and aggressively making your point wins arguments

you're guilty of the same thing he is, but actually more so. You use "not true because it's in the bible" at least as much as he uses the the bible as a reference. You cant declare that you're right on the issue of religion and say that he's wrong anytime he uses the bible. You dont win arguments from thinking that you're right.... hell, i think i'm right about everything. I'll consider the argument "won" when i convince you that i'm right. So far, Geoff doesnt seem to be anywhere near considering your argument.

"im right, you're stupid" is not winning an argument. I want to make Geoff second guess the bible or to produce a question that he cant find the answer for, anything that changes his way of thinking. Then i will consider that a victory. Declaring yourself the winner of an argument is usually a sign that you're not winning an argument. If you have to declare to the other person that you're right, your argument obviously wasnt that compelling.

and as previously stated.... again, you walk the path i laid out for you and responded to me the same way you do Geoff, with a declaration of your own perceived intellect followed by an insult. You know this isnt a rap battle right?

[Sinfix_15]

to be honest, i didn't think this was gonna turn into what it did...

i thought we were gonna end up discussing fast food or the horrible process in which we get our chicken

Something 10x more offensive than Chick-fil-a commenting on gay marriage....... Mcdonalds thinking they can get away with the late night menu.

[geoff]

Bodhi: listen man, you seem like an intelligent person despite your snide remarks and lackluster jokes. You wanna debate me on religion, that's fine. Start a new thread with whatever religious issue is and pour your little heart out. It would be hard to debate me as I live my life and study theology, but by all means have at it sir. I apologize for any insults, that's not the way I do things nor the "image" I wish to portray. I had to do it to show you just how "out of hand" it gets when people just start insulting one another. It goes from a debate to that "yo momma show" that fez from that 70's show hosts. Make a thread and I will gladly debate you.

Now, to stay on topic. The CEO of CFA commented on his beliefs of marriage. Now the gay community is in an uproar. They "preach" equality yet get their panties in a bundle when someone of power and influence doesn't share their beliefs or sentiments. They also cry hatred because they don't like where his company donates its charitable proceeds. Well, as far as I know, we still have the rights to free speech and to donate money to whomever we wish. Serious question, why don't atheists protest CFA? How about those whom have been divorced? After all, Mr. Cathy also made a comment about still being married to his first wife. Do you not see the irony here? Any way, make a thread about the religious stuff and then make one about gay genetics and lets have at it with guns blazing...

[bodhi]

sinfix, bro, like i said you haven't seen the other threads where i provided geoff with links to actual studies, to videos that go in depth about religion, to fossil records, detailed posts with tons of facts about evolution and the similarities in human and ape dna.
i could forward you to some, but that's not gonna change anything. i rarely use the bible against him because that's not what he wants to hear. i read his posts but he doesn't since he refuses to understand this side of the argument

i won't bother explaining any further

but i will say this, a strawberry shake plus a fresco melt pwns that late night menu...fact

[bodhi]

geoff, i would love to but unfortunately i don't have much free-time on my hands...

perhaps some other time

i usually stop by IA for a week or so then leave for a year. if the illuminati doesn't take me out or nibiru doesn't crash into earth by then im down to battle you next year. hows that sound, bro?


it's been fun, guys.

[geoff]

Hey 12/21/12 man. If we make it all out alive then I'm down. Take care of yourself man

[DynamicSound]

I just add this...

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/480076_605512726235_128477134_n.jpg

[Elbow]

Hey 12/21/12 man. If we make it all out alive then I'm down. Take care of yourself man

You believe that shit but you expect anyone in this thread to take you serious?

LOL

[ItODDospeed]

You are referring to Thomas Jefferson's letter to Joseph Priestly in 1801. You need to read it in context.

Well I did, but it was statements I was referring to, not a single letter. There are far more founding members of the Constitution whom believe the same. Moreover, in that letter that you posted, it implies the backwards thinking of Christians rather than the progression of science for modern thought. That thought reigns today by most Christians, and the easiest example is Creationism Vs. Evolution.

You need to read and understand what was implied by the context of the letter you quoted.

[ItODDospeed]

I also would like to state that Dan Cathy has the right to say what he wants. I believe in freedom of speech, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I don't agree with what Cathy said, but I'll still eat me some CF-A. We all have the right to believe what we choose, that's a foundation of the U.S.

IMO, some of the actions, protests and completely ignorant comments that have been stated bother me; especially, as a U.S. citizen, but we all have the right to feel the way we want.

If you don't know, here it is, religion is a BELIEF - there is no science to support "God", ghosts, spirits, an after-life or "Jesus." The differences in time between the Old and New Testament is 500 years - are you or anyone gonna say that's not a Human Doctrine?

Christians need to stop pushing their beliefs on others.

"Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat."

[geoff]

Simon: it's called sarcasm bro.

Itoddospeed: funy how you compare religion to a penis. But it's ok for gays at a gay pride parade to literally take out their junk and wave it around...funny...

[Elbow]

Simon: it's called sarcasm bro.

Itoddospeed: funy how you compare religion to a penis. But it's ok for gays at a gay pride parade to literally take out their junk and wave it around...funny...

So you have PERSONALLY been to a gay pride parade and seen with your own eyes guys pull their meat sausage out and wave it around?

If you have, you should probably hate the majority of straight people as well, specifically slutty females that show their breasts in public or those who make out in a public area.

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Simon: it's called sarcasm bro.

Itoddospeed: funy how you compare religion to a penis. But it's ok for gays at a gay pride parade to literally take out their junk and wave it around...funny...Why do you keep bringing up things that are totally irrelevant to the conversation? Indecent exposure and child molestation (what you can be charged with if you whip your junk out in front of a child) has nothing to do with religions forcing their dogma on everyone.