Miami Heat LOL

[Sinfix_15]

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Jordan would have never twittered Larry Bird and asked him to join teams..... but if he did.......... they probably wouldnt have lost to the Pacers. I'm loving every moment of this series so far..... we have a hard nosed defensive squad that doesnt have a single superstar vs the prima donna Miami Heat. Held to 75 points 2 games in a row.... fighting with the coach.... love it. These arrogant classless jackasses deserve to fail.

[quickdodge®]

we have a hard nosed defensive squad

"We?" You play for the Pacers?

Sorry, just a petty pet peeve of mine.

As for the series, I'm loving it as well. I have no interest in the Pacers, but I love that the Heat are choking again in the playoffs. Later, QD.

[Western.]

I don't even watch basketball and I'm enjoying them losing.

[BanginJimmy]

Its like watching the Yankees lose. You know they are the more talented team so it makes it even more fun to watch them fail.

[Vteckidd]

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[Sinfix_15]

"We?" You play for the Pacers?

Sorry, just a petty pet peeve of mine.

As for the series, I'm loving it as well. I have no interest in the Pacers, but I love that the Heat are choking again in the playoffs. Later, QD.

meant it in a "what do we have here" way, not associating myself with the Pacers. I care nothing about the Pacers outside of them beating the Miami Heat.

[Sinfix_15]

Its like watching the Yankees lose. You know they are the more talented team so it makes it even more fun to watch them fail.

its not about wanting the favorite to lose for me. I dislike the Heat because of what they represent. Lebron played for his home town team and was embraced by all. He walked away from that to seek an easy road to the title. I dont respect the era of sports where players get on twitter and assemble their own teams. No class, no honor.... no loyalty. I would respect Lebron more if he retired in Cleveland and never won a title vs winning 5 titles in Miami.

[quickdodge®]

meant it in a "what do we have here" way, not associating myself with the Pacers.

I see where you're at now. I just like seeing arrogance put down. That's why I don't mind seeing James when he fails. Creating all that unnecessary hype and resentment among fans just to get a ring and still can't come through, lolol.

Sometimes, LeBron, dreams don't come true, lolol.


I would respect Lebron more if he retired in Cleveland and never won a title vs winning 5 titles in Miami.

So many greats in sports history have done this, you know. Dan Marino played all his years with the Dolphins and never collected a ring, for example. One of the games most respected players. Later, QD.

[Sammich]

I see where you're at now. I just like seeing arrogance put down. That's why I don't mind seeing James when he fails. Creating all that unnecessary hype and resentment among fans just to get a ring and still can't come through, lolol.

Sometimes, LeBron, dreams don't come true, lolol.



So many greats in sports history have done this, you know. Dan Marino played all his years with the Dolphins and never collected a ring, for example. One of the games most respected players. Later, QD.

all sorts of aggreeance in this post

[Jdm94Coupe]

No class, no honor.... no loyalty. I would respect Lebron more if he retired in Cleveland and never won a title vs winning 5 titles in Miami.

Nobody has a problem with chris paul doing it. Nobody had a problem with boston adding 3 hall of fame players to add to two more hall of fame players. I just hate it when people say they dont like the heat because lebron went there. If they have a real reason i understand. But boston added ray allen (best 3 point shooter of all time in most peoples minds), kevin garnett ( top 5 PF in history in many minds), with paul pierce ( best celtic of all time in some minds) ...... along with shaq at the end of his career......not a argument against you personally, im just curious when none of the celtics could win a title by themselves, they came together to win and NOBODY said the things they are saying about lebron and company.....

btw they CRUSHED the pacers today. Regardless of how you, me or anybody feels about them they absolutely dominated them today. wade in the 2nd half was nothing short of great. and lebron for the entire game. people are jumping to conclusions very quick. they arent going down this year without a DOG fight. and indiana isnt ready for the passion miami is about to bring upon them.... this is how the year will fold out imo

miami vs boston..... miami in 5 games
spurs vs thunder..... spurs in 5 games

spurs vs miami ....... spurs in 6

[Sinfix_15]

Nobody has a problem with chris paul doing it. Nobody had a problem with boston adding 3 hall of fame players to add to two more hall of fame players. I just hate it when people say they dont like the heat because lebron went there. If they have a real reason i understand. But boston added ray allen (best 3 point shooter of all time in most peoples minds), kevin garnett ( top 5 PF in history in many minds), with paul pierce ( best celtic of all time in some minds) ...... along with shaq at the end of his career......not a argument against you personally, im just curious when none of the celtics could win a title by themselves, they came together to win and NOBODY said the things they are saying about lebron and company.....

btw they CRUSHED the pacers today. Regardless of how you, me or anybody feels about them they absolutely dominated them today. wade in the 2nd half was nothing short of great. and lebron for the entire game. people are jumping to conclusions very quick. they arent going down this year without a DOG fight. and indiana isnt ready for the passion miami is about to bring upon them.... this is how the year will fold out imo

miami vs boston..... miami in 5 games
spurs vs thunder..... spurs in 5 games

spurs vs miami ....... spurs in 6

its not about changing teams alone...........................................

This would have been like Tim Tebow transferring from Florida his senior year to go play for USC. Some players almost belong to a city....... Lebron was one of those players. When a town builds the practice facility closer to your house to accommodate you, rolls out the red carpet for you in every way, when you're the face of a city, face of a team......... you dont (shouldnt) just chose to leave a team. Lebron left his hometown where he was beloved to go play for the Miami Heat. He spit in the face of his hometown and made a spectacle of it. He's so arrogant that he made a TV show to announce it. Wade Bosh and Lebron do a pro wrestling entrance and say theyre going to win 7 championships before they ever step on a practice court together.

Lebron is the biggest douchebag in the history of our planet. He deserves every ounce of criticism he ever gets.

[quickdodge®]

its not about changing teams alone...........................................

This would have been like Tim Tebow transferring from Florida his senior year to go play for USC. Some players almost belong to a city....... Lebron was one of those players. When a town builds the practice facility closer to your house to accommodate you, rolls out the red carpet for you in every way, when you're the face of a city, face of a team......... you dont (shouldnt) just chose to leave a team. Lebron left his hometown where he was beloved to go play for the Miami Heat. He spit in the face of his hometown and made a spectacle of it. He's so arrogant that he made a TV show to announce it. Wade Bosh and Lebron do a pro wrestling entrance and say theyre going to win 7 championships before they ever step on a practice court together.

Lebron is the biggest douchebag in the history of our planet. He deserves every ounce of criticism he ever gets.

This is exactly it. It's not that I hate the Heat. It's James that I wouldn't mind seeing fall flat on his face. And because of what he did. And not necessarily what he did, but how he went about doing it. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

LOL AT "HEAT DOMINATED THE PACERS TODAY".

Miami has zero chance at a title without bosh and with their horrid bench shooting 18% from 3 point range. Lebron had 40 and Wade had 30 and they BARELY won, they didn't crush them. Indiana was within 5 with 1:15 to go.

If lebron and Batman have to score 70 points for you to win, you're screwed. Indiana wins this series, they are the better team by far.

[Western.]

People, like myself, who don't watch basketball can even understand the hate toward LeBron. QD and Sinflix have stated the reasons well... And I agree with them.

[Vteckidd]

Lebron gets a ton of bad press, the way he made his spectacle of announcing the decision was wrong. But you guys realize that it raised over 1 million dollars in advertising revenue that he donated to the Boys and Girls club of America which built 13 new facilities in and around Cleveland.

The attitude of pretty much guaranteeing they were going to win 6-7 titles was ill advised. Clearly after last year he's been humbled by that.

I don't think he deserves the hatred anymore

[Jdm94Coupe]

LOL AT "HEAT DOMINATED THE PACERS TODAY".

Indiana wins this series, they are the better team by far.

I wouldn't laugh too hard. They Dominated on the boards, and dominated the paint. If you've ever played basketball, you know that 3 point shooting doesnt tell you the story of the game. They allowed the heat to cut and slash to the rim the entire game. And the few times they actually missed, they were grabbing rebounds.

Are you SURE you have indiana winning this series? Remember indiana has played their best basketball in just about every game, the heat's supporting cast hasnt played well. when they go back to miami the bench will step up. indiana will not win another game, and they DEFINITELY wont win 2 of the next 3 being in miami. wishful thinking vteckidd.


Lebron gets a ton of bad press, the way he made his spectacle of announcing the decision was wrong. But you guys realize that it raised over 1 million dollars in advertising revenue that he donated to the Boys and Girls club of America which built 13 new facilities in and around Cleveland.

The attitude of pretty much guaranteeing they were going to win 6-7 titles was ill advised. Clearly after last year he's been humbled by that.

Do people not remember what the cleveland cavaliers were when he got there? They were the laughing stock of the nba. Lebron generated HUGE amounts of business for the city and the restaurants and bars near the arena. They should be thanking him for his time and excitement he brought during his time. He signed a contract, finished the contract and decided he wanted to leave a franchise who would not bring him a good supporting cast of players. Don't get me wrong, im not a lebron fan. My 2 favorite players are wade and chris paul. But burning a mans jersey, the city of cleveland should have been embarrassed...... btw, lebron is from akron NOT cleveland. If you've ever been there you know the difference. I was born and raised in detroit, mi..... MUCH different from lansing. so quit saying cleveland was his home people, it wasnt.

I hate it when people get so serious about the 6-7 titles thing. You can tell he was just speaking and hyping the crowd, and that guarantee isnt that far fetched anyhow. These guys are young and reached the nba finals their first year. last year was not a bad year, they finally got past the all mighty boston celtics who had 5 HALL OF FAME PLAYERS in their starting lineup at one point. And yes he has been humbled, they have fury and fight now!!! as we saw yesterday..........

[Sinfix_15]

Lebron gets a ton of bad press, the way he made his spectacle of announcing the decision was wrong. But you guys realize that it raised over 1 million dollars in advertising revenue that he donated to the Boys and Girls club of America which built 13 new facilities in and around Cleveland.

The attitude of pretty much guaranteeing they were going to win 6-7 titles was ill advised. Clearly after last year he's been humbled by that.

I don't think he deserves the hatred anymore

Lebron giving 1 mil to charity is about like me tipping a waitress a dollar. He is humbled???? he was just on camera the other day saying how a pacers player didnt deserve to be commented on by him..... when the Pacers were up 2-1....

If Lebron sounds humble at any moment.... its probably because he's being coached to do so relentlessly. The guy doesnt have a classy bone in his body. So what if he gave money to charity..... the NBA all but requires you to give money to charity..... name one player who doesnt give money to charity????

This guy is humble?
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humble?
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humble?
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humble?
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If you want to see a humble player with class. Look here
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[Vteckidd]

I wouldn't laugh too hard. They Dominated on the boards, and dominated the paint. If you've ever played basketball, you know that 3 point shooting doesnt tell you the story of the game. They allowed the heat to cut and slash to the rim the entire game. And the few times they actually missed, they were grabbing rebounds.

Did you even watch the game? They didn't dominate anything until Hibbert was in foul trouble and sat most of the third quarter.

And by "dominating" you mean the 6-9 rebound + the entire game with their #1 center in the bench for 2 bullshit foul calls?

Wade and LBJ played great, but they wont play like that for 2 games straight we all know that. Indiana lost that game by shooting jump shots instead of going inside like they did in game 2+3. They will do that in game 5 an you'll have to have another phenomenal game from Wade and LBJ to win.

Miami's weaknesses are there, Indiana has the weapons to capitalize on them.
Miami has to have production from someone other than the big 2, CONSISTENTLY. they get that they can win, so far that hasn't happened. 1 game isn't a series.


Are you SURE you have indiana winning this series? Remember indiana has played their best basketball in just about every game, the heat's supporting cast hasnt played well. when they go back to miami the bench will step up. indiana will not win another game, and they DEFINITELY wont win 2 of the next 3 being in miami. wishful thinking vteckidd.

I picked SA VS IND in the finals actually. I had IND beating Miami to get to ECF. Bosh injury was luck I guess. I just don't think Miami is good enough, their bench sucks.

Miami has out themselves in a MUST WIN situation in every game. We know lebron doesn't respond well to pressure at all. He or Wade have 1 bad shooting 3rd/4th quarter and its over.

Thanks for the history lesson, I never sad where he was "from" , I just said the decision debacle, and yes it was a horrible PR move, had good intentions on his part.

Even if Miami wins they will get gang raped by the spurs.

[Vteckidd]

I think you missed the point. There was a bench warmer (Stevenson) who flashed the choke sign at lebron when he was shooting free throws. The Guy hasn't played 1 minute all playoffs. So a 3rd string bench warmer flashing "choke" was just funny even if it was true.

The reporter asked LBJ to comment and he said he wasn't going to comment on a 3-4th string player, and he shouldn't. He's the reigning MVP, no question he's in a different class.

The coughing thing last year bit him in the ass when Dirk won.

I think he's def more humble this year.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Even if indiana wins, I doubt they will beat boston. But there is no need to discuss that, they won't beat miami.

[Vteckidd]

Indiana is the best team in the east left right now. They are BIG, PHYSICAL, tons of offensive weapons.

I would never bet 100% against LBJ, but I don't see them winning this series.

Its clear the winnercof okc/spurs will be your NBA champion

[Jdm94Coupe]

Indiana is the best team in the east left right now. They are BIG, PHYSICAL, tons of offensive weapons.

I would never bet 100% against LBJ, but I don't see them winning this series.

Its clear the winnercof okc/spurs will be your NBA champion

I still think indiana is behind boston. Garnett will bring hibbert out the paint, eliminating their blocked shots. But the spurs will be our champions. Spurs vs miami in finals. We can only wait and see what happens homie....

How do u see the miami vs indiana series playing out..... who wins which games....

[Vteckidd]

Its a tough call, if MIami wins game 5, its going to 7 games. If Indiana wins Game 5, Miami will have played their last game at home this season.

I always said Indiana in 6. I think Indiana will come out and win game 5 in Miami by going with the formula that has worked for them all season. Pound the paint, spread the floor. They have to limit their turnovers, and personally id let LBJ go off, just shut everyone else down.

Lets assume BOston beats 76ers, i think Indiana is just younger and more physical, and they have better shooters

[Jdm94Coupe]

Its a tough call, if MIami wins game 5, its going to 7 games. If Indiana wins Game 5, Miami will have played their last game at home this season.

I always said Indiana in 6. I think Indiana will come out and win game 5 in Miami by going with the formula that has worked for them all season. Pound the paint, spread the floor. They have to limit their turnovers, and personally id let LBJ go off, just shut everyone else down.

Lets assume BOston beats 76ers, i think Indiana is just younger and more physical, and they have better shooters


I respect that, although I think game 5 will go a different way. I think lebron and wade will attack the rim early and get hibbert in foul trouble which will limit his minutes the entire game. I think mike miller, jones, and chalmers will knock down a few threes a piece. I got miami by 10 points in game 5......

And I think rondo, garnett, and pierce would dominate the pacers. Granger historically gets dominated by pierce. And obviously there is no answer for rondo on the pacers defense...

[Vteckidd]

the problems i have with the heat is really their Mental State. I just dont know if they have the mental toughness to dig themselves out of a late game hole. Miami COULD be up 3-1 right now except for LBJ bricking 2 free throws and Wade blowing a late game layup. That cannot happen in playoff basketball. Look at OKC and the Spurs, they capitalize on every big game situation. To me that is the mark of championship team.

Mike Miller is severely hobbled, his back is shot, his ankle/knees are bad, he looked barely able to run on sunday. Battier is throwing shit against a brick wall with his shooting. The only person that REALLY responded to pressure was Haslem and i REALLY Like haslem. But hes not going to get it done. LBJ and Wade have to score 60-70 points, and i just dont know if that is possible consistently. Just my opinion. LBJ is the best player on the planet, but he also disappears at times.

Indiana just seems much more consistent to me, and being consistent is what wins IMO.

Indiana just has to play GOOD basketball, Miami has to have people step up that havent stepped up all year, and they are down 1 superstar in bosh. MIami has to have monumental performance to win.

Advantage Indy :P

[Jdm94Coupe]

Chalmers played very well game 3. And he plays much better at home. Look out for a big game from him again too......

[Vteckidd]

He did but Wade had worst game of his career. That's my point. Miami has to have big games from 2 superstars, and somebody else who is inconsistent.

Indiana can beat you with 5-6 different players.

[quickdodge®]

Looks like the West has won this year's Larry O' Brien trophy. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

game 5 tonight ppl!

[Vteckidd]

This will show who:

Has a better mental state
Who can rise above the pressure
Who comes ready to play basketball not mind games

Miami will show what they are truly made of.

[Jdm94Coupe]

This will show who:

Has a better mental state
Who can rise above the pressure
Who comes ready to play basketball not mind games

Miami will show what they are truly made of.

Agreed. I like how lebron hasn't done anything towards stevenson. Everybody acts like lebron is an asshole, but in reality most humans would never let a deep bench player call them (nba mvp) a choker. I sure as hell wouldn't.

edited:::: pittman got him at the end of the game, nvm. lol.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Miami will show what they are truly made of.

Defense.

[quickdodge®]

game 5 tonight ppl!

Still doesn't matter. Either San Antonio or Oklahoma City has this one wrapped up. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Still doesn't matter. Either San Antonio or Oklahoma City has this one wrapped up. Later, QD.


You have it wrong. Okc has no chance. Spurs are our champs.

[Sinfix_15]

You have it wrong. Okc has no chance. Spurs are our champs.

You really think OKC has no chance?????? what??????

[Jdm94Coupe]

You really think OKC has no chance?????? what??????

I give them one game. Which in my opinion is the true definition of no chance.

They played 3 games vs San Antonio this season, ALL without manu ginobili! And they went 1-2. The game they won, tony parker left the game in the 3rd quarter, which okc went on a 25-8 run as he exited.

The second game, tony parker torches them for 42 points and 9 assists in a blowout game. They were winning by 24 points in the 3rd quarter.

The third game, san antonio was up 27 points at one point in the 2nd quarter, and still up 20 at one point in the 3rd quarter IN OKC arena.

I think they have NO answer for tony parker, and now manu will be playing too. and will do great matching hardens scoring and slashing ability off the bench.

OKC will win game 3 or 4. but thats all. imo.

BTW.... indiana is done....

[Jdm94Coupe]

Still doesn't matter. Either San Antonio or Oklahoma City has this one wrapped up. Later, QD.

Okc wouldn't beat miami..... defense.....

miami vs spurs will be great..... miami has supurb defense. and i assume bosh will be back then...... thats what i wanna see!

[quickdodge®]

You have it wrong. Okc has no chance. Spurs are our champs.

I can't be wrong when I didn't make an definite claim. I said "either" team will be the champs. And it is so. Neither Miami, Philadelphia, Boston nor Miami has what it takes to stop either of those teams. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

I can't be wrong when I didn't make an definite claim. I said "either" team will be the champs. And it is so. Neither Miami, Philadelphia, Boston nor Miami has what it takes to stop either of those teams. Later, QD.

Miami is one of the best defensive teams in the nba. I wouldn't go that far...... and there is no telling what lebron/wade/bosh will do on any given day...... im just anxious to see it!

[Vteckidd]

Indiana gave that game away, especially when Granger and west went out.

Battier actually hit some shots, but I'm surprised Indiana just rolled over, they looked like the 76ers the other night. Haslem will be gone game 6, Miami is going to have a tough time closing them out.

[Vteckidd]

The problem with OKC is they are a jump shooting team. They have zero low post game. Perkins couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, Ibaka isnt consistent. They can rebound, they can play defense, but they cant score in the low post. Parker is going to be all over Westbrook. Durant will probably see 3-4 defenders, they dont have an answer for Duncan, and even if they did, Spurs have 2-3 guys taht are lights out from 3 point range.

Where the lakers couldnt capitalize, Spurs will be able to.

The ONLY TEAM left that really has a shot at beating the spurs IMO is Boston or Miami with Bosh. Miami without Bosh Spurs in 5. They are even thinner than OKC.

Boston has big bodies, athletic, and the big 3 is still kicking.

[Vteckidd]

Indiana isnt DONE, they are coming out strong in Game 6 especially if they want to keep their jobs. Larry Legend scorched them after the game last night calling them "SOFT". Miami is without Haslem (hes going to be suspended when they upgrade it to Flagrant 2), and probably without that Pittman guy who laid an elbow out in the last seconds against Stephenson

[Jdm94Coupe]

The problem with OKC is they are a jump shooting team. They have zero low post game. Perkins couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, Ibaka isnt consistent. They can rebound, they can play defense, but they cant score in the low post. Parker is going to be all over Westbrook. Durant will probably see 3-4 defenders, they dont have an answer for Duncan, and even if they did, Spurs have 2-3 guys taht are lights out from 3 point range.

Where the lakers couldnt capitalize, Spurs will be able to.

The ONLY TEAM left that really has a shot at beating the spurs IMO is Boston or Miami with Bosh. Miami without Bosh Spurs in 5. They are even thinner than OKC.

Boston has big bodies, athletic, and the big 3 is still kicking.

1. With all due respect to you mr. kidd ...... boston has a 0% chance to beat the spurs. they are superior to boston on EVERY level. I give boston a 5% chance to win ONE game against the spurs. But there also is a 99% chance that we WONT be seeing them play each other anyway. And boston has a new big 3 in rondo, pierce and garnett..... but pierce and allen are obviously hurt and limping.

2. I do agree with you on the fact that the spurs will beat miami without bosh, i dont agree on the amount of games though. I think it would be 6 or 7 games, based on miami's play on their home court and their nba best shooting guard/small forward defensive play and rim defensive ability.

3. This is the new NBA, post game is not necessary anymore. Those days are done. Look at what the lakers "post game" done to okc's interior defense. Ibaka is VERY consistent!!!!! If you give him his mid range jump shot, its money. Not like bosh, but effective. I don't think duncan will be the problem. Perkins plays good defense and ibaka on the weakside is deadly. I dont think that is the key though, I think boris diaw or duncan will bring ibaka to the perimeter, which will give parker and manu easy lanes to the rim, and when they help out on defense, they will swing it to the shooters. I think that is the key! IMO


Indiana isnt DONE, they are coming out strong in Game 6 especially if they want to keep their jobs. Larry Legend scorched them after the game last night calling them "SOFT". Miami is without Haslem (hes going to be suspended when they upgrade it to Flagrant 2), and probably without that Pittman guy who laid an elbow out in the last seconds against Stephenson

* No way Haslem gets suspended and tyler h. not get suspended. NOT going to happen. Pittman on the other hand is definitely gonna be suspended, but he doesnt matter anyway. And he "took" one for the team, I assure you lance "3rd string" stenvenson wont be making any choking signs anymore. So very well done IMO.

Indiana is without a doubt 100% done. If they were going to win again in miami it was going to be game 5. No way wayde, lebron and co. let them come to their arena and win game 7. But on the other hand, I'm soooooo tired of people making it seem as if indiana is some kind of juggernaut physical team. They are a PRETEND physical team, they want it to appear that they are more physical. Battier LOCKING down david west, and a few ppl LOCKING down hibbert. They are "too big" and "too strong" to let miami out play them on the boards, and they sure enough got out muscled...... I dont know who you are saying will "lose" their jobs if they lose. Their team is pretty much set, they just have no answer for miami's defense. I'm pretty sure they arent going past game 6, BUT if they do..... im 100% sure they can't come up big in game 7 against miami. Wishful thinking on your part IMO. And probably no granger btw.....

[quickdodge®]

I wouldn't go that far......

I would. They've proven, on multiple occasions, that their drive to win it all is just hype. And just like you said, there's no telling what those three characters will do? There's also no telling what they won't do.

The West vs. Miami? The West in 6. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

Haslem suspended, Pittman suspended, hansbourgh not suspended.

You were saying :p

Boston has more firepower than Miami right now. Bass, Bradley, Pierce, Rondo, garnett, Allen, they have BIG doofuses like steamsya or whatever. They can match up really well against them without bosh. The only problem with Boston is transition points and defense. They can't outrun Miami, and can't afford to turn over like Rondo can do.

I think you don't give enough teams credit or forget how Miami can go from being absolutely flawless to scrubs in 1 game.

Without Pittman, haslem, bosh for game 6, Miami could be looking at a game 7.

[Jdm94Coupe]

They've proven, on multiple occasions, that their drive to win it all is just hype.

How can they prove on multiple occasions, this team has been together ONE year. They made it to the nba finals in their FIRST year, hardly a failure. BTW they crushed the other eastern conference teams last year. celtics with 4+ hall of fame players, and including chicago with the nba's "mvp" in rose last year.

I do agree though, its gonna be very tough to beat the spurs in the nba finals. Miami's defense is why i think that series will go 7 games. I dont see OKC beating miami though, but we wont have to worry about them anyway. Spurs will be sending them home in 5 games.....

[Vteckidd]

Edit: more firepower is probably wrong, they have more reliable offensive weapons. That's what I meant.

Obviously LBJ and WADE are the most firepower a team could have Haha

[Vteckidd]

Its Miamis series to lose, I can see Indiana pushing it to game 7. They shot horrible last night. Miami is easily beatable they do not look very good to me.

The only teams who look GOOD is OKC and SA. Miami looks like they are not mentally tough to win a close game. They look comfortable with 15-20 point leads. But they won't have those against Boston or okc/sa

[Jdm94Coupe]

Haslem suspended, Pittman suspended, hansbourgh not suspended.

You were saying :p

Boston has more firepower than Miami right now. Bass, Bradley, Pierce, Rondo, garnett, Allen, they have BIG doofuses like steamsya or whatever. They can match up really well against them without bosh. The only problem with Boston is transition points and defense. They can't outrun Miami, and can't afford to turn over like Rondo can do.

I think you don't give enough teams credit or forget how Miami can go from being absolutely flawless to scrubs in 1 game.

Without Pittman, haslem, bosh for game 6, Miami could be looking at a game 7.

I just saw that as well, the series is 10000% over now. I'm sure miami will consider that a "racial" suspension. NO way Tyler Hansbrough shouldn't be suspended. His foul was equally dirty as haslem's foul that cut wade's head. That will be their motivation!! This series is over......

I give boston a lot of credit. Garnett is playing GREAT! Rondo can be defended by wade if they choose. Pierce will be shut down by lebron (all nba first team defense just named) even if he wasnt hurt, but he is definitely hurt some. And miami has home court over them. I really doubt boston can win 2 games....

[Vteckidd]

Racial?? Watch the replay.

Hansbourough got all ball but swung down, but he made a play on the ball .

Haslem didn't even go for the ball he axe slammed his hands down in hansbouroughs head.

NBA made the right call. Haslem was retaliation and wasn't even a play on the ball. Wade bled because shit happens, it wasn't intentional

[Jdm94Coupe]

They shot horrible last night. Miami is easily beatable they do not look very good to me.

Easily beatable by who? They shot horrible because of the defense miami put on them. They weren't missing wide open shots, they were locked up. Granger hit his wide open shots before he left, but dont forget he's prob not gonna play either. And if he does, how bad is his ankle really?


The only teams who look GOOD is OKC and SA. Miami looks like they are not mentally tough to win a close game. They look comfortable with 15-20 point leads. But they won't have those against Boston or okc/sa

I think they could pull away from boston a few games, and POSSIBLY OKC just because they are a jump shooting team as you said. But DEFINITELY not against SA, even if they do get up. SA can/will fight back......

who you got tonight vteckidd??

[Vteckidd]

Also Wade was attempting a layup, hansborough was shooting a 10 foot jump shot, NO REASON for haslem to hard foul Tyler that far out

[Jdm94Coupe]

Racial?? Watch the replay.

Miami players will take it that way and use it as motivation. Trust me, two black players suspended and white boy gets nothing for slamming against wade's head..... they will be very upset when the game starts. Watch and see.

[Vteckidd]

You can't say Miami looks unbeatable. Spurs look unbeatable. OKC looks unbeatable.

Miami looks like you hard foul them And taunt them they can barely squeal by. This series COULD be 3-1 Indiana easily going into game 5. I don't know if lebron can pull off a 4-6 point deficit with 2 minutes to go and not fold and hit his jump shots.

Miami has had trouble closing games all year.

Boston wins tonight, they are tired of stringing this team along, they need to win and rest and give Miami pressure to close out their series.

Boston by 9 tonight

[Jdm94Coupe]

Also Wade was attempting a layup, hansborough was shooting a 10 foot jump shot, NO REASON for haslem to hard foul Tyler that far out

when you block a shot you dont swing down, you swing parallel to the ground. he meant to do it man.

[Vteckidd]

Miami players will take it that way and use it as motivation. Trust me, two black players suspended and white boy gets nothing for slamming against wade's head..... they will be very upset when the game starts. Watch and see.
Its gonna be physical no matter what. You see what Granger said?

[Vteckidd]

when you block a shot you dont swing down, you swing parallel to the ground. he meant to do it man.

It was flagrant for sure but hard fouls with a play on the ball in the lane are different than retaliation fouls like haslem and Pittman did.

Obviously NBA agrees with me :p

[Jdm94Coupe]

Its gonna be physical no matter what. You see what Granger said?

No I haven't.... what he say? Granger is one of the reasons they are down 3-2.... you dont taunt the best player in world, and the 1st/2nd best shooting guard in the world.....

[quickdodge®]

How can they prove on multiple occasions, this team has been together ONE year.

That makes it even worse. Only been together one year, talking all this "dream team" crap and still struggle to win. Yeah, it's cool (I guess) that they took it to the finals last year, but they should have probably won it. But they couldn't do it. They couldn't finish games. Why? Like I said, just don't have that drive. They're displaying having a tough time of it here in this year's playoffs against the Pacers. I think they can make it to the finals again this year, but they won't win. The West in 6. Whoever represents the East. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

It was flagrant for sure but hard fouls with a play on the ball in the lane are different than retaliation fouls like haslem and Pittman did.

Obviously NBA agrees with me :p

You do know that his fould was upgraded to a flg. 2 as well right???

Both Pittman and Haslem had their Flagrant Foul Ones upgraded to Flagrant Foul Twos, as did Indiana's Hansbrough, who struck the head of Miami's Dwyane Wade on a foul that occurred shortly before Haslem's foul.

[Jdm94Coupe]

That makes it even worse. Only been together one year, talking all this "dream team" crap and still struggle to win. Yeah, it's cool (I guess) that they took it to the finals last year, but they should have probably won it. But they couldn't do it. They couldn't finish games. Why? Like I said, just don't have that drive. They're displaying having a tough time of it here in this year's playoffs against the Pacers. I think they can make it to the finals again this year, but they won't win. The West in 6. Whoever represents the East. Later, QD.

VERY wrong..... what about the drive lebron/bosh showed against chicago AND boston last year. Wade had 2 bad series. he played good in the finals and lebron had a bad series..... not the end of the world. you brush that shit off and go hard the next year..... everybody losses man....

[quickdodge®]

VERY wrong.....

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

Upgraded flagrant 2 isn't always suspension.

Hansbourough made a play on the ball, haslem and Pittman are suspended because there was no play on the ball and both were retaliation fouls

[Jdm94Coupe]

Upgraded flagrant 2 isn't always suspension.

Hansbourough made a play on the ball, haslem and Pittman are suspended because there was no play on the ball and both were retaliation fouls

I just think indiana spends so much time trying to make everybody think they are a tough team, that they get away from what they do well. Then they fall directly into what miami does well.

You picking indiana to win game 6 and go to miami and win game 7?

[Vteckidd]

im not disagreeing with you, i think Indianas shot at winning is getting in Miamis head. Which they did for 3 games. But, Miami refocused and Indiana collapsed last 2 games. Taunting and physical isnt going to win it alone, they have to hit shots, and shut the other players down. Battier having 10+ points is unacceptable.

Im going with Indiana in Game 6, Game 7 to me will be a toss up. If youre asking the basketball player in me, Miami in 7, always hard to go against Miami. I think it depends what happens in Game 6. I question Miami being able to close out and win a CLOSE GAME. As long as Indiana hangs around, they always have a shot to win.

[Jdm94Coupe]

im not disagreeing with you, i think Indianas shot at winning is getting in Miamis head. Which they did for 3 games. But, Miami refocused and Indiana collapsed last 2 games. Taunting and physical isnt going to win it alone, they have to hit shots, and shut the other players down. Battier having 10+ points is unacceptable.

Im going with Indiana in Game 6, Game 7 to me will be a toss up. If youre asking the basketball player in me, Miami in 7, always hard to go against Miami. I think it depends what happens in Game 6. I question Miami being able to close out and win a CLOSE GAME. As long as Indiana hangs around, they always have a shot to win.

philly will lose game 7 saturday, but im sure they wont lose at home with ai in the building.... lol..... damn its good to see him....

[Vteckidd]

GOD DAMN you ARE LIKE MY KYPTONITE. I CANT PICK SHIT WITH YOU . :P

Boston looked HORRIBLE, just lazy. Boston can play like the East winner, then look like Atlanta lol

Just no energy, no consistency, Bass shot like 10% , horrible horrible game.

[Jdm94Coupe]

GOD DAMN you ARE LIKE MY KYPTONITE. I CANT PICK SHIT WITH YOU . :P

Boston looked HORRIBLE, just lazy. Boston can play like the East winner, then look like Atlanta lol

Just no energy, no consistency, Bass shot like 10% , horrible horrible game.

yea, but they play like a completely different team at home. but if they play like that again, they will lose. Don't get me wrong, I want philly to win. Louis williams is a good friend of mine, I would nothing better then for them to win. But going to boston to win a game 7 is like indiana coming to miami and winning game 7, very tough to do.

[Sinfix_15]

oldy but a goody, im gonna rock this on my ipod today.

http://youtu.be/VIe23C1NvU4

[Vteckidd]

WOW Wade saying "GET OUTTA MY WAy" and dominating this game. Pacers just look horrible defensively. How can you let wade pick you apart that bad.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Wade is a scoring legend. His ability to slash to the rim, get contact, and finish regardless is second to none. His post game is strong and when his jump shot is on, there is no guarding him.

Remember the playoff game some years back when he killed boston with 47 points and he was alone in miami. That's why he's my favorite nba player and chris paul is my 2nd......

Now they'll roll past the next round and hit a wall in the finals. But they "can" win it all, its gonna be good to see......

[1slwdsm]

Yeah, and now bird is crying cuz his team got there ass whooped at home and is not gonna be a game 7. For all yall doubters thats what ya get. I swear Wade is a fucking beast and the heats defense is rediculous

[Sinfix_15]

Yeah, and now bird is crying cuz his team got there ass whooped at home and is not gonna be a game 7. For all yall doubters thats what ya get. I swear Wade is a fucking beast and the heats defense is rediculous

last year Miller, Haslem and Chalmers were actually playing good and they still lost to the Mavericks which nobody thought was a legit title contender. This year, theyre no better than they were last year.... however....... the Spurs are now healthy and firing on all 8 cylinders and OKC has gel'd. Unless Wade can continue to score 40+ a night, the Heat are not gonna be a match for either of these teams. When Wade gets burned out and the pressure falls onto Lebron's shoulders....... well... we all know how thats gonna turn out.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Unless Wade can continue to score 40+ a night, the Heat are not gonna be a match for either of these teams. When Wade gets burned out and the pressure falls onto Lebron's shoulders....... well... we all know how thats gonna turn out.

What happened april 4th? Wade scored 19, lebron had 34....... durant had 30, westbrook with 28...... remind me who won the game? ....... doesnt matter anyway, okc wont beat SA, so we no longer need to discuss them.

[quickdodge®]

For all yall doubters thats what ya get.

They beat Indiana. Let's make this comment when they play a really good team.

The West in 6. Later, QD.

[Sinfix_15]

What happened april 4th? Wade scored 19, lebron had 34....... durant had 30, westbrook with 28...... remind me who won the game? ....... doesnt matter anyway, okc wont beat SA, so we no longer need to discuss them.

Miami lost the finals because the Heat actually needed Lebron to step up. When the spotlight shines on Lebron....... he curls up into the fetal position. He's not Jordan, Kobe, Duncan.... Lebron has every tool imaginable..... but heart.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Miami lost the finals because the Heat actually needed Lebron to step up. When the spotlight shines on Lebron....... he curls up into the fetal position. He's not Jordan, Kobe, Duncan.... Lebron has every tool imaginable..... but heart.

the best shooting 7 foot human in the history of the nba had nothing to do with it? along with the #3 AND #4 BEST % 3 point shooters in NBA HISTORY had nothing to do with it???

people spend so much energy and time making sure they hate lebron, they forget to actually remember they know nothing about basketball to begin with.....

pop quiz....... who is the best PG in the nba this year?

[Sinfix_15]

the best shooting 7 foot human in the history of the nba had nothing to do with it? along with the #3 AND #4 BEST % 3 point shooters in NBA HISTORY had nothing to do with it???

people spend so much energy and time making sure they hate lebron, they forget to actually remember they know nothing about basketball to begin with.....

pop quiz....... who is the best PG in the nba this year?

you ask an opinion and think it somehow validates mine or your credibility? It's not that hard to hate a douche like Lebron, he makes it very easy.

"experts" would probably say Paul,Rose,Wade,Rondo,Westbrook............ I'll take Tony Parker myself.

And youre right............... Dirk had everything to do with it..... that is why he is a champion... and Lebron is not.

[Jdm94Coupe]

you ask an opinion and think it somehow validates mine or your credibility? It's not that hard to hate a douche like Lebron, he makes it very easy.

"experts" would probably say Paul,Rose,Wade,Rondo,Westbrook............ I'll take Tony Parker myself.

You can tell a lot about people's basketball knowledge in many ways. I don't like lebrons inability to make a jump shot on a consistent basis, only thing i dont like about him. I don't care what team he is on, what car he drives, what he says in an interview, if he does or doesnt shake hands with people. I watch/enjoy the sport of basketball, not all the b/s off the court people care oh so much about.

hell i could sit here and say i think david west is a douche because he walked into the locker room at halftime up 2 points in game 6 and bypassed the 20 children/kids that held their hands out to get a 5 from him.


I like your choice of parker. He is great! IMO chris paul is the best point guard in the nba. The ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY player in the NBA that you can take off his team and them NOT make the playoffs after making it with that player on the roster. ALL NBA 1st team defense, ALL NBA 1st team as well..... #3 in the nba in assists, #1 in the nba in steals (not even close), 86% from the foul line, 36% from the 3 point line, 57% (true shooting %), #4 in the nba in assists/turnover ratio!.... the top 3 in that category play like 5 minutes a game and NEVER have the ball in their hands..... bibby,calderon,bonner.... #3 in the nba in steals per foul, #4 in the nba in efficiency behind only james,durant, and bynum ......

and 4th quarter clutch that you say lebron doesnt have...... chris paul has enough for the both of them! top 5 in the nba in 4th quarter scoring all year.

pretty much it comes down to this. he did MUCH more then any other pg in the nba did with much less......blake griffin, lol come on now.....

[quickdodge®]

You can tell a lot about people's basketball knowledge in many ways.

Do you realize how much sense this makes? Like pretty much zero, right? In reference to: "pop quiz....... who is the best PG in the nba this year?," how are you going to ask opinion based questions and then judge another's knowledge in basketball by it? Or just because you don't like Lebron, you know nothing about the sport? That's the same as saying that the Buick Enclave is the best SUV in the world and if you don't think so, you know nothing about cars. This kind of tells me that you're not that knowledgeable, yourself. That you rely solely on numbers to get you through.

But wait! I don't even know if that is it. Know why? Your claim of the Dallas Mavericks having the best percentage three point shooters in NBA history seem to fall a bit short. I decided to look around on the Mavericks roster last year and saw only Peja Stojakovic as being on any list. And he was placed at or around number seven. No one had him at three or four. I guess the other you're thinking about is Kidd. He doesn't even rank at all.

I'm not trying to bash you dude, but come on, man, lolol. And unless you're talking just straight up who won what title, then, for the most part, opinion based questions are no way to judge anyone's knowledge on something. Later, QD.Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Do you realize how much sense this makes? Like pretty much zero, right? In reference to: "pop quiz....... who is the best PG in the nba this year?," how are you going to ask opinion based questions and then judge another's knowledge in basketball by it? Or just because you don't like Lebron, you know nothing about the sport? That's the same as saying that the Buick Enclave is the best SUV in the world and if you don't think so, you know nothing about cars. This kind of tells me that you're not that knowledgeable, yourself. That you rely solely on numbers to get you through.

But wait! I don't even know if that is it. Know why? Your claim of the Dallas Mavericks having the best percentage three point shooters in NBA history seem to fall a bit short. I decided to look around on the Mavericks roster last year and saw only Peja Stojakovic as being on any list. And he was placed at or around number seven. No one had him at three or four. I guess the other you're thinking about is Kidd. He doesn't even rank at all.

I'm not trying to bash you dude, but come on, man, lolol. And unless you're talking just straight up who won what title, then, for the most part, opinion based questions are no way to judge anyone's knowledge on something. Later, QD.Later, QD.

When it comes to the basketball knowledge statement, it was a joke, mainly based on peoples personal hatred for lebron that has nothing to do with what he does on the court. half the time you ask people why they dislike lebron and its nothing to do with basketball.

when it comes to the best pg in the nba, i honestly wanted to know his opinion..... but like i said, peoples comments can tell a lot....... example: like i asked him who the best pg in the nba was, i didnt have to even read his answer, the fact that he said some people would say "Paul,Rose,Wade,Rondo,Westbrook" told me what i needed to know.....

and yes i typed the wrong information..... i meant to say 3 pointers made in their career...... kidd is 3rd in history and terry is 4th.

1. Ray Allen 2718
2. Reggie Miller 2560
3. Jason Kidd 1874
4. Jason Terry 1788
5. Chauncey Billups 1783
6. Peja Stojakovic 1760

And asking who is the best pg in the nba is definitely an opinion, but 99% of the time when you listen to somebodies explanation of why you can tell that they dont watch very much basketball. and its ok QD, u kno i dont take "bashing" personal.....this is not my first rodeo, lol

[Vteckidd]

Define PG

The best true PG I'd probably still go with Nash,Parker

Westbrook to.me isn't a real PG

[quickdodge®]

When it comes to the basketball knowledge statement, it was a joke, mainly based on peoples personal hatred for lebron that has nothing to do with what he does on the court. half the time you ask people why they dislike lebron and its nothing to do with basketball.

when it comes to the best pg in the nba, i honestly wanted to know his opinion..... but like i said, peoples comments can tell a lot....... example: like i asked him who the best pg in the nba was, i didnt have to even read his answer, the fact that he said some people would say "Paul,Rose,Wade,Rondo,Westbrook" told me what i needed to know.....

and yes i typed the wrong information..... i meant to say 3 pointers made in their career...... kidd is 3rd in history and terry is 4th.

1. Ray Allen 2718
2. Reggie Miller 2560
3. Jason Kidd 1874
4. Jason Terry 1788
5. Chauncey Billups 1783
6. Peja Stojakovic 1760

And asking who is the best pg in the nba is definitely an opinion, but 99% of the time when you listen to somebodies explanation of why you can tell that they dont watch very much basketball. and its ok QD, u kno i dont take "bashing" personal.....this is not my first rodeo, lol

First off, I'm glad you responded the way you did. For some reason, I almost didn't post it because I thought you would get irrational with your reply. Thanks for the civility.

I understand each point and correction you made, dude. And I do admit that I don't watch that much basketball anymore. My dislike (not hatred) for James is not for his obvious talents on the court. It's for his person. Not because he left Cleveland. It's how he left Cleveland.

I wonder if I would have made it for the 2nd round tryouts at Georgia State, if you guys would be having this conversation about me, lolol. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

He left arrogantly, he suckered Cleveland into thinking there was a chance he was going to stay, and they he showed zero loyalty to the fans by basically bitch slapping them all on National TV. Im sure it wasnt his entention.

Look at how Derron Williams is handling his free agency. MOUTH SHUT. No controversy with him. Then look at D12/Lebron.

I dont hate lebron, i like him, hes the best player on the planet. But their team might be too weak to win a title this year.

[quickdodge®]

Im sure it wasnt his entention.

I don't think he intentionally "bitch slapped" the city of Cleveland, but there's no doubt he knew the reaction he would get with his debacle. He knew how the city would react. He just didn't care. That's why he went ahead and did it. He's getting his (except for the ring) and that's all that matters. As disheartening as it would have been anyway, a classier and more respectable move would have been to just have the trade announced just as any other on the news/sports outlets.

Looks like it'll be Boston losing to the West, you think Mike? Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Define PG

Chris Paul.


First off, I'm glad you responded the way you did. For some reason, I almost didn't post it because I thought you would get irrational with your reply. Thanks for the civility.

My dislike (not hatred) for James is not for his obvious talents on the court. It's for his person. Not because he left Cleveland. It's how he left Cleveland.

No prob homie. I still to this day dont understand why a free agent professional basketball player can cause ppl to burn his jersey though. IMO if you have a problem with how he left, there should be a much bigger problem with the GM and the fans.


He left arrogantly, he suckered Cleveland into thinking there was a chance he was going to stay, and they he showed zero loyalty to the fans by basically bitch slapping them all on National TV. Im sure it wasnt his entention.

But their team might be too weak to win a title this year.

Cleveland knew he wasn't coming back, they made no effort to bring respectable players around him.

Miami MIGHT be too weak to win a title, but boston is going home before they do.


Looks like it'll be Boston losing to the West, you think Mike? Later, QD.

No way they beat miami. Forget about that.

[Vteckidd]

I thing Boston gets blown out in game 1. 50/50 to tale game 2. After that it depends on Bosh. Of bosh doesn't come back Boston has a Huge shot at beating Miami.

But I'd still side with Miami based on Boston being injured badly, losing Avery Bradley, etc

Spurs looked beatable last night

[1000cckiller]

lol @ this thread. First off people have hate for Miami for reasons they can't even explain, except for the just riding the bandwagon of other haters. Secondly, the only healthly Celtic is Rondo. who is still to me the most dominate point guard in the game. I didn't panic when they went down 2-1 to the pacers, because they can turn it on and off when needed. They will beat boston this series, but will have a harder time in the finals if Bosh isn't back.

[Sinfix_15]

When it comes to the basketball knowledge statement, it was a joke, mainly based on peoples personal hatred for lebron that has nothing to do with what he does on the court. half the time you ask people why they dislike lebron and its nothing to do with basketball.

when it comes to the best pg in the nba, i honestly wanted to know his opinion..... but like i said, peoples comments can tell a lot....... example: like i asked him who the best pg in the nba was, i didnt have to even read his answer, the fact that he said some people would say "Paul,Rose,Wade,Rondo,Westbrook" told me what i needed to know.....

and yes i typed the wrong information..... i meant to say 3 pointers made in their career...... kidd is 3rd in history and terry is 4th.

1. Ray Allen 2718
2. Reggie Miller 2560
3. Jason Kidd 1874
4. Jason Terry 1788
5. Chauncey Billups 1783
6. Peja Stojakovic 1760

And asking who is the best pg in the nba is definitely an opinion, but 99% of the time when you listen to somebodies explanation of why you can tell that they dont watch very much basketball. and its ok QD, u kno i dont take "bashing" personal.....this is not my first rodeo, lol

i guess Jalen Rose wouldnt qualify as someone who knows basketball in your ****^^^***^^^^EXPERT^^^^***^^^^*** opinion either. He says the labels pg sg sf ect are so fans can keep up with the game and that teams like the heat redefine what positions are suppose to be. But yeah, i played basketball in highschool, have been playing park basketball ball all of my life, have been watching professional basketball since Dennis Rodman was a Spur. I watched every single one of Micheal Jordan's championships.

I dont deserve to dislike the Heat, i am not worthy of having an opinion.

[quickdodge®]

have been watching professional basketball since Dennis Rodman was a Spur.

Rookie viewer, lolol. I was watching before he even went to college. Since Magic Johnson's rookie year. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

wade is not a pg. period. regardless of how long you've been watching basketball, no part of his game is like a pg in any way........ btw when he said that, he was referring to westbrook.

[Sinfix_15]

Rookie viewer, lolol. I was watching before he even went to college. Since Magic Johnson's rookie year. Later, QD.

I think JDM94 coached Larry Bird's little league team.

[Sinfix_15]

wade is not a pg. period. regardless of how long you've been watching basketball, no part of his game is like a pg in any way........ btw when he said that, he was referring to westbrook.

Yeah, Wade and Westbrook look completely different on the court......... "no part of his game like a pg" you dont have to be John Stockton to be a PG, Wade is a primary ball handler, just because he scores vs passing doesnt change it. I guess Derrick Rose isnt a pg either....Pau Gasol had more assists than Derrick Rose..... so what does that say about your definition of pg or the significance of position labels. regardless of what the roster sheet says..... lots of nonPGs step into the "pg position" on the floor.......... that's what Jalen Rose is talking about when he says its pointless to label most players. He was talking about Lebron, its an opinion he's expressed several times about many different players.

If you want to discredit my opinion, do it with facts.... your "pop quizzes" just makes you look like a jackass. I hate Lebron James because i'm a loyalist. The only thing i did was hold Lebron to his word. He said he played for Cleveland, promised he wouldnt stop until be brought a title to Cleveland. Not only did he not fulfill the promises that HE made, he made a mockery of his team, teammates, city, coaches and every other basketball fan in the process of doing it. When Tebow stood in front of the media and made a promise, i believed he meant it... and he fulfilled it. You dont become a legend by writing checks your ass cant cash. Lebron is no legend and never will be. When his physical advantage fades... he will be nothing. He doesnt have Manu's heart, Jordan's mind or Kobe's desire........ the only advantage he holds over any player in the NBA.... is the very first one to go.



edit: and for the people who defend him by saying " i wouldnt want to live in cleveland either "

Lebron doesnt live in Cleveland.... never did.... he lives anywhere... and everywhere. The same as anyone else with 100 million dollars in the bank.

[Sinfix_15]

yeah, i'll take Tony Parker over any other PG in the NBA.....

[Sinfix_15]

Fuckin Dwayne Wade....

So the Heat are ripping the Celtics in half in the 3rd quarter................................ whos runnin the point????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????

[Vteckidd]

Wade is a 2 Shooting Guard. He is not a PG , dont confuse him bringing the ball up or in transition with being a PG. Chalmers, Cole is the Heats official PG. Lebron is more of a PG than Wade IMO.

There is really 2 issues with your guys argument.

1) There is no traditional PG anymore because they game has gotten so fast paced the the coordination of the big guys is so much faster. Lebron defined the Point Forward position, 6'9'' 250??? That used to be a Small Forward/Power Forward. The only TRUE PGs left in the league are Nash and Parker and Rondo IMO.

2) There is no traditional CENTER in the league anymore.

So with no true PG or Centers,all you are left with is Shooting Guards and small forwards, which is pretty much what the game is right now

[Sinfix_15]

Wade is a 2 Shooting Guard. He is not a PG , dont confuse him bringing the ball up or in transition with being a PG. Chalmers, Cole is the Heats official PG. Lebron is more of a PG than Wade IMO.

There is really 2 issues with your guys argument.

1) There is no traditional PG anymore because they game has gotten so fast paced the the coordination of the big guys is so much faster. Lebron defined the Point Forward position, 6'9'' 250??? That used to be a Small Forward/Power Forward. The only TRUE PGs left in the league are Nash and Parker and Rondo IMO.

2) There is no traditional CENTER in the league anymore.

So with no true PG or Centers,all you are left with is Shooting Guards and small forwards, which is pretty much what the game is right now

I see the floor as guards and forwards now, putting Wade on the list was more about forgetting Chalmers was on the floor. Wade can do anything with the ball in his hands though. Wade plays at the 1 position often.

[Sinfix_15]

Boston needs this one bad.

[Sinfix_15]

That's a wrap. Wade's team wins.

[Vteckidd]

I see the floor as guards and forwards now, putting Wade on the list was more about forgetting Chalmers was on the floor. Wade can do anything with the ball in his hands though. Wade plays at the 1 position often.

not by design, more of him having no other real offensive weapons so he brings the ball up.

I bring the ball up in pick up games all the time because i know how to create offense, but i am NOT a PG LOL

Boston got robbed last night on the no call to Rondos face

[Greddypacked]

its not about wanting the favorite to lose for me. I dislike the Heat because of what they represent. Lebron played for his home town team and was embraced by all. He walked away from that to seek an easy road to the title. I dont respect the era of sports where players get on twitter and assemble their own teams. No class, no honor.... no loyalty. I would respect Lebron more if he retired in Cleveland and never won a title vs winning 5 titles in Miami.

LOL well you dont walk in the man's shoes. He didnt just join the NBA to play for a city that love's him for his skills and dedication, but he wants to go somewhere he thinks he can win the championship and win a ring. He's worked hard in his life playing basketball most his life, I think he has the decision to do what's best for him. Cleveland I really didnt see as a team that would go all the way even w/ Lebron.

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LOL well you dont walk in the man's shoes. He didnt just join the NBA to play for a city that love's him for his skills and dedication, but he wants to go somewhere he thinks he can win the championship and win a ring. He's worked hard in his life playing basketball most his life, I think he has the decision to do what's best for him. Cleveland I really didnt see as a team that would go all the way even w/ Lebron.

The Bulls were 27-55 the year before they drafted Jordan. Jordan's Bulls were put out in the 1st round the first 3 trips to the playoffs. Jordan lost his first 2 trips to the finals. Great players win championships..... they dont "go somewhere they think they can win a championship".

Lebron is suppose to be the best player in the NBA, suppose to be the next Jordan.....LOL.... some say better than Jordan............ LOL.......................

Lebron's teams havnt won because of Lebron. As much of a stat machine as he is....... he is not a great player that steps up in big games. He's the fastest car in qualifying, he hits everything out of the park in batting practice, he kicks 70 yard field goals in warm ups.... but when the game is on the line he just doesnt have it. Luckily for him, he's now a supporting role on a team that does have someone who is a great player, Dwayne Wade.

Yes, Lebron has the right to do what's best for him, even when its the wrong thing to do and it's not the best thing for thousands of other people. The same way myself and those thousands of other people have the right to think he's a classless arrogant douchebag who tucked tail and ran from a challenge, placing blame any and everywhere but where it belonged which is directly on Lebron himself.

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not by design, more of him having no other real offensive weapons so he brings the ball up.

I bring the ball up in pick up games all the time because i know how to create offense, but i am NOT a PG LOL

Boston got robbed last night on the no call to Rondos face

I get it, i put Wade on the list by mistake and was rolling with it.


Boston has been on the shit end of the refs in both games. Hornets win lottery, Heat getting favorable calls looking ahead to a potential "good vs evil" rematch with Duncan's Spurs....... conspiracy theorists will be out on this one.

[Vteckidd]

LOL well you dont walk in the man's shoes. He didnt just join the NBA to play for a city that love's him for his skills and dedication, but he wants to go somewhere he thinks he can win the championship and win a ring. He's worked hard in his life playing basketball most his life, I think he has the decision to do what's best for him. Cleveland I really didnt see as a team that would go all the way even w/ Lebron.

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No one is pissed at Lebron for him leaving Cleveland. IT WAS THE WAY HE LEFT CLEVELAND, it was the way he just sat there, smugly smiled and said "Im going to a better team".

It was the way he treated Dan Gilbert, it was the way he treated the city (that just happened to be his native state, i mean how often does that happen where an athlete gets drafted by a home town team??) , it was THE DECISION by publicizing it, etc. It was the 3 years of lead up where it was obvious he wade and bosh all conspired to make it happen.

Again i dont care he LEFT cleveland, but the spectacle he made it was what the backlash was about. If he just said "i dont know what im going to do", then came out and released as tatement saying "i feel like Miami is the best place for me to win a championship, and thats where i want to go" no one would have said ANYTHING outside the occasional "WAHHHH HE LEFT CLEVELAND " bullshit.

But when you speak in the 3rd person and throw a national media event to say "im taking my talents to south beach" and then proceed to have the most awkward interview ever, he deserved all the backlash.

[Vteckidd]

The Bulls were 27-55 the year before they drafted Jordan. Jordan's Bulls were put out in the 1st round the first 3 trips to the playoffs. Jordan lost his first 2 trips to the finals. Great players win championships..... they dont "go somewhere they think they can win a championship".
Respectfully, youre wrong.

Jordan never lost a finals, he won all 6 times he went................First time they went IIRC they beat the aging lakers. The only other modern day player to ever win every finals they were in was Duncan.

The league was different back then too so its hard to compare. The money wasnt as big, the shoe contracts, the TV money, the brand names, etc. Jordan had no reason to leave chicago, he was drafted in what 84? It took him 7 years to win a title. Jordan was also drafted by a major sports city/market. Lebron was drafted in 2003 out of HS (NOT COLLEGE like Jordan), and it took him 6-7 years to get to the finals with arguably the worst team ever haha That was a pretty big accomplishment.



Lebron's teams havnt won because of Lebron. As much of a stat machine as he is....... he is not a great player that steps up in big games. He's the fastest car in qualifying, he hits everything out of the park in batting practice, he kicks 70 yard field goals in warm ups.... but when the game is on the line he just doesnt have it. Luckily for him, he's now a supporting role on a team that does have someone who is a great player, Dwayne Wade.


Again i disagree. The 2007 Cavaliers was a hideous team that made it to the NBA Finals to lose to the DUN DUN DUN Spurs. Lebron beat a pretty weak eastern conference but still. He single handedly took that team to the Finals. He almost did it in 2008 again.

The problem with Lebron is the pressure he has of winning a title. Hes overplayed his hand , by talking about championship"S" (plural), like its no big deal. He has said he doesnt want to be the main scorer, he wants to be a magic johnson type of player.

Lebron doesnt have the closer Gene, he doesnt react well under pressure, something Jordan and Kobe did amazingly well their whole career

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Respectfully, youre wrong.

Jordan never lost a finals, he won all 6 times he went................First time they went IIRC they beat the aging lakers. The only other modern day player to ever win every finals they were in was Duncan.

The league was different back then too so its hard to compare. The money wasnt as big, the shoe contracts, the TV money, the brand names, etc. Jordan had no reason to leave chicago, he was drafted in what 84? It took him 7 years to win a title. Jordan was also drafted by a major sports city/market. Lebron was drafted in 2003 out of HS (NOT COLLEGE like Jordan), and it took him 6-7 years to get to the finals with arguably the worst team ever haha That was a pretty big accomplishment.




Again i disagree. The 2007 Cavaliers was a hideous team that made it to the NBA Finals to lose to the DUN DUN DUN Spurs. Lebron beat a pretty weak eastern conference but still. He single handedly took that team to the Finals. He almost did it in 2008 again.

The problem with Lebron is the pressure he has of winning a title. Hes overplayed his hand , by talking about championship"S" (plural), like its no big deal. He has said he doesnt want to be the main scorer, he wants to be a magic johnson type of player.

Lebron doesnt have the closer Gene, he doesnt react well under pressure, something Jordan and Kobe did amazingly well their whole career

error in looking it up, 2 CONF finals losses prior to championship. Point being..... Jordan had a lot of failure before his success and didnt run to twitter to find Larry Bird.

[Vteckidd]

There wasnt twitter back then, and the league wouldnt allow you to change like it does now :)

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There wasnt twitter back then, and the league wouldnt allow you to change like it does now :)

You dont go down in history for promises you dont keep. My expectations of Lebron came from his own words.

http://chasing23.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Lebron-disappointment.bmp
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[Vteckidd]

i mean you can cherry pick stuff about him all the time , they all make mistakes.

Your issue really isnt with Lebron, its with Cleveland. NO ONE wants to play in Cleveland. Thats the problem the NBA has. Dan Gilbert didnt do shit for Lebron for 6 years. Kinda what Orlando has done for D12. Why would you stay? How do you compete against the Spurs, the Celtics, the lakers, etc. The Thunder are probably the only team RECENTLY that havent gone out and bought talent, just gotten lucky through good draft choices. And they wont win the championship.

Lebron going to Miami was smart, its the same thing Ray Allen and KG did going to boston. Same thing Melo did going to NY to play with Amare.

Its the way he did it that was wrong.

Tebow played college ball, its a horrible comparison because its not like Tebow could have gone anywhere else.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Lebron going to Miami was smart, its the same thing Ray Allen and KG did going to boston. Same thing Melo did going to NY to play with Amare.

Its the way he did it that was wrong.

Hey guys I'm back!! I had no computer and had to buy a laptop.

Vteckidd, your quote is the best one in this thread. Its funny how when 4 hall of fame players come together, its ok. But when lebron leaves a team with not one single support player, its the end of the world. He's not fucking jordan, he didnt have pippen, kukoc, and steve kerr (3pt % leader in nba history), and etc..... he didnt have the players kobe had.... shaq, gary payton, rick fox, robert horry, fisher, etc..... i wish people would quit comparing lebron to those people, hes never been blessed with good players around him like they had. Not making excuses, just being truthful. I'm not a lebron fan either, and i see why people wouldnt like his style of play. But to act like we knew everything he was or wasnt going through in cleveland is crazy.

Tebow, lol.

[Jdm94Coupe]

yeah, i'll take Tony Parker over any other PG in the NBA.....

Great choice.

[Vteckidd]

And honestly lebron still has a mediocre team around him. Their bench is a bunch of over the hills and supremely injured except for Cole and chaulmers.

[NaNissan]

Still no rings for Lebron the spurs got this!!!

Im not a Lebron hater he is the best player in the NBA, but this heat team is still garbage with the exception of Wade.
Jordan had Pippen who at the time was the second best player in the NBA and a great supporting cast.
Kobe had Shaq and also a great supporting cast.
Lebron had Mo williams at first and now a broken D Wade and a garbage supporting cast.

? If Lebron had the 2012 Laker team instead of Kobe would they still be in the Playoffs?

[Vteckidd]

Spurs look OLD, okc playing perfect.

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Spurs look OLD, okc playing perfect.

didnt expect OKC to lay down, prior to the Spurs streak of dominance, most people had OKC coming out of the west. I just hope these teams dont go to a 7 game war and wear themselves out before the finals. Theyre clearly the 2 best teams in the NBA

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Still no rings for Lebron the spurs got this!!!

Im not a Lebron hater he is the best player in the NBA, but this heat team is still garbage with the exception of Wade.
Jordan had Pippen who at the time was the second best player in the NBA and a great supporting cast.
Kobe had Shaq and also a great supporting cast.
Lebron had Mo williams at first and now a broken D Wade and a garbage supporting cast.

? If Lebron had the 2012 Laker team instead of Kobe would they still be in the Playoffs?

i dont think Lebron is the best player on his team, much less the NBA. Though i recognize that i may be in the minority in saying that.

and Kobe is better than Lebron.

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i mean you can cherry pick stuff about him all the time , they all make mistakes.

Your issue really isnt with Lebron, its with Cleveland. NO ONE wants to play in Cleveland. Thats the problem the NBA has. Dan Gilbert didnt do shit for Lebron for 6 years. Kinda what Orlando has done for D12. Why would you stay? How do you compete against the Spurs, the Celtics, the lakers, etc. The Thunder are probably the only team RECENTLY that havent gone out and bought talent, just gotten lucky through good draft choices. And they wont win the championship.

Lebron going to Miami was smart, its the same thing Ray Allen and KG did going to boston. Same thing Melo did going to NY to play with Amare.

Its the way he did it that was wrong.

Tebow played college ball, its a horrible comparison because its not like Tebow could have gone anywhere else.

Mello didnt go to NY to play with Amare... he went to NY to go to NY. He RETURNED to NY, big difference from Lebron running away from his home town.

The contrast from Lebron to Tebow is that no matter what happens for the rest of his life, Tebow will always be a legend in Florida. Is that really worth losing for a ring???? i can buy a NBA championship ring on ebay........ lots of bench warmers have rings.... a lot of people who didnt score a single point have rings...... is getting a ring worth selling out? Worth having your home town fans burn your jersey? worth having your billboards torn off the wall? Lebron pretended to he the home town hero when he's really only about himself... and that's fine.... but you cant be both. You cant be a hometown hero one day then expect people to be ok that you flipped the switch to being an arrogant douchebag sellout.

[Sinfix_15]

Still no rings for Lebron the spurs got this!!!

Im not a Lebron hater he is the best player in the NBA, but this heat team is still garbage with the exception of Wade.
Jordan had Pippen who at the time was the second best player in the NBA and a great supporting cast.
Kobe had Shaq and also a great supporting cast.
Lebron had Mo williams at first and now a broken D Wade and a garbage supporting cast.

? If Lebron had the 2012 Laker team instead of Kobe would they still be in the Playoffs?

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[Greddypacked]

The Bulls were 27-55 the year before they drafted Jordan. Jordan's Bulls were put out in the 1st round the first 3 trips to the playoffs. Jordan lost his first 2 trips to the finals. Great players win championships..... they dont "go somewhere they think they can win a championship".

Lebron is suppose to be the best player in the NBA, suppose to be the next Jordan.....LOL.... some say better than Jordan............ LOL.......................

Lebron's teams havnt won because of Lebron. As much of a stat machine as he is....... he is not a great player that steps up in big games. He's the fastest car in qualifying, he hits everything out of the park in batting practice, he kicks 70 yard field goals in warm ups.... but when the game is on the line he just doesnt have it. Luckily for him, he's now a supporting role on a team that does have someone who is a great player, Dwayne Wade.

Yes, Lebron has the right to do what's best for him, even when its the wrong thing to do and it's not the best thing for thousands of other people. The same way myself and those thousands of other people have the right to think he's a classless arrogant douchebag who tucked tail and ran from a challenge, placing blame any and everywhere but where it belonged which is directly on Lebron himself.

Dude i see what your saying but that was back in the day. Teams have more than just one superstar, and no one Jorday in this day could take his team to beat a well teamed Heat w/ 3 or more Jordans on it eh. Heat, Lakers have so many superstars. Its not like back in the day yo trust me. Takes more than just one superstar to win the ring now.

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Dude i see what your saying but that was back in the day. Teams have more than just one superstar, and no one Jorday in this day could take his team to beat a well teamed Heat w/ 3 or more Jordans on it eh. Heat, Lakers have so many superstars. Its not like back in the day yo trust me. Takes more than just one superstar to win the ring now.

Jordan beat a Jazz team with Karl Malone, John Stockton, Jeff Hornacek...... and a deep supporting cast, Shandon Anderson, Greg Ostertag, Byron Russell, Jacque Vaughn, Antione Carr. Malone is one of the best big men of all time, John Stockon is probably the best pure PG of all time..... they couldnt stop Jordan on either end of the floor.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Jordan beat a Jazz team with Karl Malone, John Stockton, Jeff Hornacek...... and a deep supporting cast, Shandon Anderson, Greg Ostertag, Byron Russell, Jacque Vaughn, Antione Carr. Malone is one of the best big men of all time, John Stockon is probably the best pure PG of all time..... they couldnt stop Jordan on either end of the floor.

Man i'd love to see what chris paul would've done to john stockton.

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Man i'd love to see what chris paul would've done to john stockton.

Paul would get out smarted, out played and beat. Stockton is the all time leader in steals and assists for a reason.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=myMvojT6zIc#t=60s

[Jdm94Coupe]

Paul would get out smarted, out played and beat. Stockton is the all time leader in steals and assists for a reason.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=myMvojT6zIc#t=60s

Yea you've officially lost it.

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Yea you've officially lost it.

Typical young person opinion.... always taking flash over substance. John Stockon was a beast. Everyone hated playing vs Stockton because of how physical he played. All young people think this new era of flashy ball players are so much better than the older generation. What did it do for Lebron and Wade vs Dirk? Why does Tim Duncan have 4 championship rings????? How does Manu continue to dominate????? You dont have to look like an and1 mix tape to score..... John Stockton is the best pure PG of all time........... past and PRESENT included. Chris Paul most certainly included.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Paul would get out smarted, out played and beat. Stockton is the all time leader in steals and assists for a reason.

A lot of people make this same type of mistake, they automatically assume because somebody came before the other one, that because they played in an older era of basketball that they are better by default. Bad choice here. There's a difference between passing to kenyon martin at the top of the key and passing to karl malone at the top of the key, wouldn't you agree? Even though stockton has had superior teams to chris paul's teams lets compare # and talk some basketball.

CARER stats:

Chris Paul........18.8 PPG, 2.4 SPG, 9.8 APG, 4.5 RPG, 85% FT, 36% 3PT, 47% FG, 2.45 TO/GAME

John Stockton..... 13.1 PPG, 2.1 SPG, 10.5 APG, 2.7 RPG, 83% FT, 38% 3PT, 51% FG, 2.82 TO/GAME

116 3 point attempts per year, 305 field goals attempted per year.... stockton

181 3 point attempts per year, 373 field goals attempted per year.... paul

So to sum this all up. Karl malone is only good for .7 APG? You attempt 65 fewer 3 point shots per year then paul and you only shoot 2% better? You attempt 68 fewer field goals per year and you shoot 4% better? Do you think stockton is faster then paul? Do you think stockton is quicker then paul? Do you think stockton is stronger then paul? Do you HONESTLY think stockton would be able to stay in front of paul? And to never have averaged 20 ppg in a season.


Dont get it twisted, stockton is a LEGEND. But to think that his game would translate to today's speed is ridiculous. Don't think his assists and steal records won't get challenged by rondo, paul, some future pg. BTW 19 years in the nba will also help your records, thats a long time to play with no injuries or set backs. Invest in nba league pass next year, watch chris paul's games. He wasn't first team nba and defensive nba for no reason.

Side note: Who has the most game winning shots in the nba over the past 5 seasons? Durant, Kobe, Lebron(lol), Wade, Paul etc? They talked about this the other day on nba tv (game time i think it was)

[Jdm94Coupe]

Typical young person opinion.... always taking flash over substance. .

look above for your substance. dont ignore it.

Btw how old do you think I am? I could say the same thing about your statement claiming Tim Tebow as the greatest college player to ever play. VERY typical young person opinion as well. Just saying.

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jdm94coupe, you have to realize to other important factors in your "equation" of Paul being better than Stockton. You're looking at Stockton's stats that span a 20 year career versus stats across only 7 years. Let's see if Paul's stats ranks anywhere near Stockton's after a 20 year career before you start dreaming that Paul is better.

For that matter, let's see if Paul even makes it 20 years.

I don't think he will.

Also, the game of basketball itself is different. Not the game, but the way it's played. Stockton was a point guard and that's what Stockton did. As was mentioned before, players don't usually stick to any sort of position anymore. It's really hard to compare how the two would have fared against each other because the game has changed so much in the last couple of decades. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

jdm94coupe, you have to realize to other important factors in your "equation" of Paul being better than Stockton. You're looking at Stockton's stats that span a 20 year career versus stats across only 7 years. Let's see if Paul's stats ranks anywhere near Stockton's after a 20 year career before you start dreaming that Paul is better.

For that matter, let's see if Paul even makes it 20 years.

I don't think he will.

Also, the game of basketball itself is different. Not the game, but the way it's played. Stockton was a point guard and that's what Stockton did. As was mentioned before, players don't usually stick to any sort of position anymore. It's really hard to compare how the two would have fared against each other because the game has changed so much in the last couple of decades. Later, QD.

I see what you are saying. But to say that stockton would dominate shows he has never watched the two play consistently. I've seen both play, stockton is a legend. No doubt about that. But I know Chris paul will go down as one of the best point guards to ever play the game as well. Dominate on both ends of the floor. I'm not even saying Chris Paul is better, what i was saying was i'd love to have seen them play against each other. Then he responded with that ridiculous comment, as usual.

BTW to say that I'm dreaming paul is better is also out of line. Even with his superior teams AND coaching, not to mention playing with another hall of fame player his entire career, he is behind chris paul in A LOT of categories.

[Vteckidd]

I think they said Melo has the most game winning shots.

Stockton was a much more physical player, cp3 has much more offensive skills. Two totally different players

[Jdm94Coupe]

I think they said Melo has the most game winning shots.

Stockton was a much more physical player, cp3 has much more offensive skills. Two totally different players

Thats walk off shots if im not mistaken. CP3's defense is better as well.

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BTW to say that I'm dreaming paul is better is also out of line.

Not really considering that, right now, him being the best is just that...........a dream. Let him finish out a lengthy career first and see where he is. He may quit next year or he may play another ten years. And if he sticks around, he may well get progressively worse for some reason. How I like to refer to people like Paul is "the potential to be............", you know. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

I really think its a lame argument because they are 2 totally different player in two totally different eras. CP3 is much more offensively minded than Stockton was, and rightfully so. Stockton didnt have to score, he had Malone and a host of other GREAT shooters (hornacek) etc. CP3 has who? Blake Griffin lol

Stockton is a hall of famer easy. I wouldnt say CP3 is a hall of famer yet.

I also wouldnt say Stockton played bad defense, he was 6'1, little guys are bad to look at defensive wise.

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jdm94coupe, you have to realize to other important factors in your "equation" of Paul being better than Stockton. You're looking at Stockton's stats that span a 20 year career versus stats across only 7 years. Let's see if Paul's stats ranks anywhere near Stockton's after a 20 year career before you start dreaming that Paul is better.

For that matter, let's see if Paul even makes it 20 years.

I don't think he will.

Also, the game of basketball itself is different. Not the game, but the way it's played. Stockton was a point guard and that's what Stockton did. As was mentioned before, players don't usually stick to any sort of position anymore. It's really hard to compare how the two would have fared against each other because the game has changed so much in the last couple of decades. Later, QD.


You beat me too it...... Stockton's 20 year avg is higher than Paul's peak........... Stockton avg'd 15 APG in his prime..............

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Thats walk off shots if im not mistaken. CP3's defense is better as well.

Wtf are you basing this opinion on?????????????????????????? Stockton is the ALL TIME LEADER IN STEALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stockton got tons of complains about his defense and physical play. Stockton did the hidden things that dont show up on a stat sheet....... hard picks, throwing his body into you, sneaky elbows..... there's a reason opponents hated and respected Stockton.

One thing i hate about arguing sports is when people give someone credit for things that havnt done yet or might do or have the potential to do..........

Chris Paul may go down as the best PG ever... who knows...... but he hasnt done anything yet.........

Stockton however.... his name is all over the record books and hes a hall of famer.

[Sinfix_15]

look above for your substance. dont ignore it.

Btw how old do you think I am? I could say the same thing about your statement claiming Tim Tebow as the greatest college player to ever play. VERY typical young person opinion as well. Just saying.

yeah.... im SOOOOOOOOOOO ALONE in thinking Tim Tebow is the best college player ever........................

Tebows stats are obnoxious....... you would have a hard time duplicating Tebow's career on a video game. For a QB most known for being a runner..... his career QB rating is the highest EVER. He did it a major school in the most physical and defensive conference in college football. He did it in an era where there was no single dominant dynasty.... he had to play vs some of the best teams in history. Tebow left the SEC with a higher QB rating than Peyton Manning and more rushing TDs than Herschel Walker...............

There's a mother fucking statue of Tebow outside of Florida and the ink on his degree is still wet.

[Jdm94Coupe]

yeah.... im SOOOOOOOOOOO ALONE in thinking Tim Tebow is the best college player ever........................

Tebows stats are obnoxious....... you would have a hard time duplicating Tebow's career on a video game. For a QB most known for being a runner..... his career QB rating is the highest EVER. He did it a major school in the most physical and defensive conference in college football. He did it in an era where there was no single dominant dynasty.... he had to play vs some of the best teams in history. Tebow left the SEC with a higher QB rating than Peyton Manning and more rushing TDs than Herschel Walker...............

There's a mother fucking statue of Tebow outside of Florida and the ink on his degree is still wet.

He had the best team in college. Full of nfl players. not hard to beat the sec when your defense is the best in the ncaa. not to mention he was getting blocks from pro bowl lineman...... dont get me twisted, he was good.... but better then barry sanders, lol. joke.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Paul would get out smarted, out played and beat. Stockton is the all time leader in steals and assists for a reason.


You beat me too it...... Stockton's 20 year avg is higher than Paul's peak........... Stockton avg'd 15 APG in his prime..............

You answered your own statement. The main reason he is #1 is because he played 20 years. and you are most definitely wrong about his 20 year average. he averaged 10.5apg for his career

chris paul: 11.6apg in 07-08, 11.0apg in 08-09, 10.7apg in 09-10

so 3/7 years hes been in the nba he has averaged higher then stocktons career totals. and he passed to a hall of fame legend. chris paul passed to who? oh btw, chris paul is the smartest player in the league, he practically coached the clippers this year. he dominated a memphis team far superior to his team.

but anyway..... i guess we can get back to miami/boston now, lol

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chris paul: 11.6apg in 07-08, 11.0apg in 08-09, 10.7apg in 09-10

so 3/7 years hes been in the nba he has averaged higher then stocktons career totals.

Again, you're comparing incomparables. Stockton averaged 10./apg over a 20 year career. Looking at his stats, he did well above that career total in ten of his twenty seasons. In fact, in eight of those seasons, he averaged more assists per game than Paul has ever done. If you want to insist this is a comparison and you dig deeper, you'll see that Stockton still has the edge as the better point.


but anyway..... i guess we can get back to miami/boston now, lol

Lolol. I can agree. I hope that Boston can keep this momentum. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Lolol. I can agree. I hope that Boston can keep this momentum. Later, QD.

I hope they cant. I hate them with a passion. Being from Detroit doesnt help either, we all hate the celtics. lol

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I hope they cant. I hate them with a passion. Being from Detroit doesnt help either, we all hate the celtics. lol
I like neither team. I just to see Miami lose before the Celtics, lolol. It's all moot anyway since.............

The West in 6.

Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

Chris Paul was a great player on a teal of scrubs (new Orleans) and now he's the best player on a 6-7 seed team in the west. He clearly makes a team better, but he's not even in the top 10 all time PG conversation. Not yet.

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He had the best team in college. Full of nfl players. not hard to beat the sec when your defense is the best in the ncaa. not to mention he was getting blocks from pro bowl lineman...... dont get me twisted, he was good.... but better then barry sanders, lol. joke.

Yeah, Tebow's 4 year career with 2 national titles, being 1 game away from a 3rd, being on the Heisman ballot 3 times and deserving to win 2 of them, and being the only QB in the history of college football to win 2 maxwell awards is better than Barry Sanders 1 good season of college football.

YES. Clearly...... and without logical argument against it. Tim Tebow had a better college career than Barry Sanders.

[Vteckidd]

Keep the tebow argument for the FOOTBALL THREADS

[Sinfix_15]

You answered your own statement. The main reason he is #1 is because he played 20 years. and you are most definitely wrong about his 20 year average. he averaged 10.5apg for his career

chris paul: 11.6apg in 07-08, 11.0apg in 08-09, 10.7apg in 09-10

so 3/7 years hes been in the nba he has averaged higher then stocktons career totals. and he passed to a hall of fame legend. chris paul passed to who? oh btw, chris paul is the smartest player in the league, he practically coached the clippers this year. he dominated a memphis team far superior to his team.

but anyway..... i guess we can get back to miami/boston now, lol

are you fucking retarded? you're saying Chris Paul has passed Stockton's career avg because individual seasons of Paul's career are higher than Stockton's career avg that spanned over 20 years????

Stockton avg'd 8 APG in his 3rd season in the NBA. Then avg'd 14 APG in his next 5 seasons. 12 APG for his next 4 seasons. Even playing for 20 years is an accomplishment, Stockton was a relevant player for 20 years and retired with gas in the tank. You realize you're comparing the intelligence of a guard whos strong point is isolation vs one that pretty much invented the pick and roll?

You're swinging from Chris Paul's nuts pretty hard. The guy hasnt done anything yet.

seriously...... let loose of Paul's nutsack so we can have an objective argument about this.

John Stockon has the highest single season APG in the history of the NBA. And the 2nd,4th,5th and 6th..........

This guy named Magic played at the same time as Stockton, heard of him?

[Vteckidd]

CP3 could just as easily be a nobody in 3 years as he could still be a superstar.

[Jdm94Coupe]

now he's the best player on a 6-7 seed team in the west. He clearly makes a team better, but he's not even in the top 10 all time PG conversation. Not yet.

wow. i've heard it all.

[Sinfix_15]

wow. i've heard it all.

You need to listen to what youre hearing. If you think Chris Paul is on any all time list for PGs... i dont know what to tell you......

Chris Paul wouldnt top the list of best all time ACTIVE PGs in the NBA right now.

[Jdm94Coupe]

are you fucking retarded? you're saying Chris Paul has passed Stockton's career avg because individual seasons of Paul's career are higher than Stockton's career avg that spanned over 20 years????

You're swinging from Chris Paul's nuts pretty hard. The guy hasnt done anything yet.

seriously...... let loose of Paul's nutsack so we can have an objective argument about this.

you are so fucking dumb you dont even realize what YOU say..... read what YOU wrote.... which was 1000% incorrect....


You beat me too it...... Stockton's 20 year avg is higher than Paul's peak........... Stockton avg'd 15 APG in his prime..............

and trust me im far from on chris pauls nuts. this coming from a guy you would think impregnated tim tebows mom. you obviously have not watched more then 10 chris paul's games. i understand you guys probably didnt invest in the nba league pass, but i did, i recorded and watched more nba basketball then 99.9% of the people in the state. for the people saying chris paul isnt better then rondo/parker/ etc.... the nba doesnt show favoritism when they name their nba 1st teams and nba defensive 1st teams. tony parker's defense is trash compared to paul, and his passing is nothing compared to pauls. he plays on a substantially better team then paul. he took a team that wouldnt make the playoffs with any other pg in the nba and made them the 5th seed in the west, and was a few games from the 3rd seed. rondo makes great passes, but other then rpg and a few more assists then paul he isnt shit compared to paul either. and yes tony parker killed westbrook and looked good in the first two games. but look at what cp3 did against westbrook the sg. he went 3/4 against okc this year, and dropped 24 second half points on him and killed him and durant in the 4th quarter. (with a trash ass team)

but seriously im done talking to people who dont watch the seasons games, and tune in when the playoffs start. not all of you, but i can tell who watches and who doesnt.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Chris Paul wouldnt top the list of best all time ACTIVE PGs in the NBA right now.

OMG, i gotta see this list! This will tell it all, you probably think d fisher is better then cp3 huh? lmao, this is a joke.

Show me this list.

[Jdm94Coupe]

CP3 could just as easily be a nobody in 3 years as he could still be a superstar.

Do you HONESTLY believe that? He finished 3rd in the MVP of the nba voting. Behind 2 hall of fame players and in front of the 2nd best PG in the nba. parker.

[Sinfix_15]

OMG, i gotta see this list! This will tell it all, you probably think d fisher is better then cp3 huh? lmao, this is a joke.

Show me this list.

Steve Nash and Jason Kidd are both EASYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY choices for anyone who doesnt have Chris Paul's nutsack draped across their chin.

You keep making these snide remarks like "i know who watchs and who doesnt" "watch the games"......

NOBODY HERE AGREES WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are alone in thinking what you think.......................YOU are the odd man out.

[Sinfix_15]

but then again...... you think Paul is better than the all time assist leader... so im sure you think he's better than the 2nd and 5th all time assist leaders too.

Is Chris Paul the best PG ever??? rank him... where is he at right now???? please tell me. Better than Magic? Better than Stockton???? Rank Paul please.

[Sinfix_15]

Do you HONESTLY believe that? He finished 3rd in the MVP of the nba voting. Behind 2 hall of fame players and in front of the 2nd best PG in the nba. parker.

you cant predict the future............. no matter how good a player is.... assuming they will play for 20 years is stupid.

Look at Shawn Kemps career for a perfect example. In his prime he was one of the most dominant players in history.... had you of assumed he was gonna do that for the rest of his career.............

you would be very mistaken.

[Vteckidd]

Anyone that thinks cp3 is top 10 all time is a fair weather Noob fan that is ignoring the last 30-40 years of basketball.

How long has he been in the league? 5 years? Less?

He's not better than:
Magic
Isiah
Stockton
Nash
Kidd
Oscar
Cousy
Parker
Kj
hardaway

Hell TODAY. He might be a top 5

Deron. Williams
D rose
westbrooke
Parker
Paul
rubio

Hes good man but he isn't near the greats yet

[Vteckidd]

Dude 3rd in MVP voting doesn't mean shit and people who voted him MVP are retarded.

Lebron/Durant
Kevin love
Parker
Kobe

Would have been my top 4.

Oh I forgot about 1 PG easily better than Paul.... Rondo.

[Jdm94Coupe]

but then again...... you think Paul is better than the all time assist leader... so im sure you think he's better than the 2nd and 5th all time assist leaders too.

Is Chris Paul the best PG ever??? rank him... where is he at right now???? please tell me. Better than Magic? Better than Stockton???? Rank Paul please.

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robinson
3. John stockton
4. Jason kidd
5. Walt Frazier
6. Isiah Thomas
7. Gary Payton
8. Steve Nash
9. Chris Paul

Just my opinion. BTW chris paul has nba all time records as well, VERY early in his career!

Chris Paul:

NBA Rookie of the Year: 2006

NBA All-Rookie First Team: 2006

5× NBA All-Star: 2008–12

4× All-NBA Team:

First Team: 2008, 2012
Second Team: 2009
Third Team: 2011

4× NBA All-Defensive Team:

First Team: 2009, 2012
Second Team: 2008, 2011

NBA records

Consecutive games with a steal: 108, April 13, 2007 to December 23, 2008


Fifth player in NBA history to lead the league in assists and steals in the same season

Only player in NBA history to lead the league in assists and steals in consecutive seasons (2007–08–2008–09)

Seasons leading the league in steals: 4 (2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2011–12)



2nd in NBA history

Steals, half: 7, first half, vs. Dallas Mavericks, February 20, 2008

Most games with at least one steal, season: 80 (2007–08)

Recorded a steal in every game in which he played.
Alvin Robertson recorded a steal in 81 of 82 games played in 1985–86, the NBA record.
Tied with Michael Jordan (80 games with at least one steal in 1988–89)

3rd in NBA history

Highest average, assists per game, career: 9.8 (4,771/485)

Trailing Earvin "Magic" Johnson and John Stockton

[Jdm94Coupe]

Hell TODAY. He might be a top 5

Deron. Williams
D rose
westbrooke
Parker
Paul
rubio

Hes good man but he isn't near the greats yet

Worst comment in this thread. None of them are better then paul. #'s prove you wrong......

[Sinfix_15]

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robinson
3. John stockton
4. Jason kidd
5. Walt Frazier
6. Isiah Thomas
7. Gary Payton
8. Steve Nash
9. Chris Paul

Just my opinion. BTW chris paul has nba all time records as well, VERY early in his career!

Chris Paul:

NBA Rookie of the Year: 2006

NBA All-Rookie First Team: 2006

5× NBA All-Star: 2008–12

4× All-NBA Team:

First Team: 2008, 2012
Second Team: 2009
Third Team: 2011

4× NBA All-Defensive Team:

First Team: 2009, 2012
Second Team: 2008, 2011

NBA records

Consecutive games with a steal: 108, April 13, 2007 to December 23, 2008


Fifth player in NBA history to lead the league in assists and steals in the same season

Only player in NBA history to lead the league in assists and steals in consecutive seasons (2007–08–2008–09)

Seasons leading the league in steals: 4 (2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2011–12)



2nd in NBA history

Steals, half: 7, first half, vs. Dallas Mavericks, February 20, 2008

Most games with at least one steal, season: 80 (2007–08)

Recorded a steal in every game in which he played.
Alvin Robertson recorded a steal in 81 of 82 games played in 1985–86, the NBA record.
Tied with Michael Jordan (80 games with at least one steal in 1988–89)

3rd in NBA history

Highest average, assists per game, career: 9.8 (4,771/485)

Trailing Earvin "Magic" Johnson and John Stockton

I dont know how to get it thru ur thick head that you cant compare 5 years of a players career to 20 years of another players career.

If a player avgs 20 points per game for 3 seasons are we to assume he's going to avg 20 points per game for the next 17 seasons??????

The best 2 point guards in the NBA right now are still playing. Chris Paul is sitting on his couch.

http://www.clap.name/images/blog/tony_parker.jpg
http://sportsfiends.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/rr-with-champion-cup-of-nba-2007-08-rajon-rondo-11592534-340-563.jpg

[Jdm94Coupe]

I dont know how to get it thru ur thick head that you cant compare 5 years of a players career to 20 years of another players career.

If a player avgs 20 points per game for 3 seasons are we to assume he's going to avg 20 points per game for the next 17 seasons??????

The best 2 point guards in the NBA right now are still playing. Chris Paul is sitting on his couch.

http://www.clap.name/images/blog/tony_parker.jpg
http://sportsfiends.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/rr-with-champion-cup-of-nba-2007-08-rajon-rondo-11592534-340-563.jpg

lmao. without the hall of fame players on their teams they would definitely be at home. if you cant see that, you cant see anything.

[Vteckidd]

Worst comment in this thread. None of them are better then paul. #'s prove you wrong......
Rose has an MVP, he didn't place 3rd LOL

Parker has what, 3 NBA titles?

Paul is a top 5 today, I'd still take Rondo anyday of the week.

[Sinfix_15]

here's something else i find HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!.....

I say Paul isnt at the top of the all time list of ACTIVE NBA players and you freak out in disagreement........

then you post your all time list and have 2 ACTIVE NBA players above him.

[Vteckidd]

So tebow sucks because he had NFL caliber players on his team.

Rondo and Parker suck because they had HOF players on their roster

Cp3 great because he plays with shit.

Great logic

[Sinfix_15]

lmao. without the hall of fame players on their teams they would definitely be at home. if you cant see that, you cant see anything.

You see what you want to see. Every argument you produce is based on your opinion and predicting the future or some type of what if scenario....................

[Jdm94Coupe]

here's something else i find HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!.....

I say Paul isnt at the top of the all time list of ACTIVE NBA players and you freak out in disagreement........

then you post your all time list and have 2 ACTIVE NBA players above him.

so what? their careers are done. cant take away from them. but rondo and parker is crazy. neither one of them is better individually.... yea their teams are much better, u insane?

tim dunca, manu ginobli..... kevin garnett, ray allen, paul pierce...... vs. blake griffin? LMAO! his supporting cast doesnt compare. hell 5-7 assists a game from rondo come straight from garnetts ability to make a mid range shot. which paul doesnt have a player that can.....

but w/e you say doesnt take away from chris pauls ALL time nba records! look for yourself what he's done in 7 years (not 5, count) and stockton played 19. not 20.....

but we can get back to miani/boston now, lol.....

[Vteckidd]

Boston by 5 tonight

[Jdm94Coupe]

So tebow sucks because he had NFL caliber players on his team.

Rondo and Parker suck because they had HOF players on their roster

Cp3 great because he plays with shit.

Great logic

tebow doesnt suck, football is a team game, he had the best team in the country.
easier to pass to hof players

LOOK AT THE #'s people. cp3 is the best in the nba now, period.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Boston by 5 tonight

i got miami by 7

[Sinfix_15]

lmao. without the hall of fame players on their teams they would definitely be at home. if you cant see that, you cant see anything.

you see what you want to see. Every argument you produce is a what if scenario that you can only prove in your fantasy world. "what if Paul played with Karl Malone" "what if Paul played with Duncan and Ginobili" "what if Paul played in 1950" yada yada yada.....

[Sinfix_15]

tebow doesnt suck, football is a team game, he had the best team in the country.
easier to pass to hof players

LOOK AT THE #'s people. cp3 is the best in the nba now, period.

The best player on a bad team is always more celebrated. Tony Parker doesnt have to play the full season at full throttle. The spurs coasted into the playoffs while resting and preparing for the real season to start. Chris Paul is a stat machine on an insignificant team. Tony Parker has stepped up and rose to the occasion on the grandest of stages.

Tony Parker is better than Chris Paul.

[Jdm94Coupe]

you see what you want to see. Every argument you produce is a what if scenario that you can only prove in your fantasy world. "what if Paul played with Karl Malone" "what if Paul played with Duncan and Ginobili" "what if Paul played in 1950" yada yada yada.....

The nba agrees with me, regardless of what you guys think.

Chris paul was on the ALL-NBA FIRST team.... not 2nd(westbrook)..... NOT rondo (third)..... you guys look ridiculous, not me....chris paul had 74 first place votes.... westbrook had 5, rondo had 4...... you guys dont watch all teams, obviously.

Chris paul was on the ALL-Defensive FIRST team.... not 2nd (rondo).... 13 first place votes for paul and 9 for rondo.....

the nba agrees with me.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Chris Paul is a stat machine on an insignificant team. Tony Parker has stepped up and rose to the occasion on the grandest of stages.

Tony Parker is better than Chris Paul.

So insignificant right? he beat okc 3/4 times which is a big reason why they dont have home court against SA, yea real insignificant in affecting this series, right?

[Vteckidd]

Its the sane people that think Blake Griffin is an all star. He's not.

Its the same people that think Dirk was an all star this season, he wasn't.

Cp3 gets a ton of hype votes, he's not the best PG in the league.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Its the sane people that think Blake Griffin is an all star. He's not.

Its the same people that think Dirk was an all star this season, he wasn't.

Cp3 gets a ton of hype votes, he's not the best PG in the league.

fans make all star votes. not all nba teams. so youre definitely wrong about that.

[Vteckidd]

I'm talking about the overall concensus.

Truth be told if I was picking a team from scratch I'd pick cp3. Bit that's mostly because of his age. Rondo would be a close second only becase he needs to round out his offensive skills.

Deron Williams I need to see more from.

Parker I think is still the best now, He's the best scorer, the best pick and roll, etc.

Paul isn't even in the conversation for all time top 10, 4-5 seasons doesn't put you in the category of the elites, sorry.

[Jdm94Coupe]

I'm talking about the overall concensus.

Truth be told if I was picking a team from scratch I'd pick cp3. Bit that's mostly because of his age. Rondo would be a close second only becase he needs to round out his offensive skills.

Deron Williams I need to see more from.

Parker I think is still the best now, He's the best scorer, the best pick and roll, etc.

Paul isn't even in the conversation for all time top 10, 4-5 seasons doesn't put you in the category of the elites, sorry.

7 years.... just to clarify.... but like i said, the nba agreed with my opinion, not your opinions..... he's the best pg in the league and the 3rd best player in the nba this year. says the nba, not just me.

[Vteckidd]

If you ask sports writers who the top 10 all time is, cp3 won't be mentioned. Fact.

Getting 3rd in MVP votes doesn't make him 3rd best in NBA this year I don't know how you get that LOL

And I don't mkow if anyone says he was the top PG in the league this year, most people still would put rose and Parker ahead of him

[Jdm94Coupe]

And I don't mkow if anyone says he was the top PG in the league this year, most people still would put rose and Parker ahead of him

This is my last comment, seriously. You GA boys really think you know more basketball then these people huh?

Quoted from NBA.com......... From May 24th, 2012 .... Well into the playoffs and into San Antonio's winning streak, okc's playoff wins, and bostons streak

" Paul, an All-NBA First Team selection for the second time in his career, paced the league in steals (2.53 spg) and finished third in assists (9.1 apg), adding 19.8 ppg and 3.5 rpg. He posted 23 double-doubles, tying for 16th overall. Paul this season became only the second player (Tim Hardaway, 1990-91) in NBA history to average at least 19.0 points, 9.0 assists, 3.5 rebounds and 2.0 steals"

Quoted from the same nba.com article

"The All-NBA Teams were chosen by a panel of 120 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. The media voted for All-NBA First, Second and Third Teams by position with points awarded on a 5-3-1 basis."

74 voters said Chris paul was the best PG in the nba.
westbrook received 5 first place votes.
rondo received 4 first place votes.
tony parker received 41 first place votes.


On to the defense..... http://www.nba.com/clippers/news/paul-all-nba-defensive-first-team-120523.html

on 5/23/12.... also well into the playoffs

"The National Basketball Association announced today that Los Angeles Clippers' All-Star point guard Chris Paul has been named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team. Paul garnered a total of 33 points (13 first place votes, seven second place votes) and becomes the first player in franchise history to be named to the team. Paul led the NBA in steals per game (2.53 spg) and total steals (152) during the 2011-12 NBA season. This marks the second time Paul has been named to the All-Defensive First Team (2009). Paul was also named to the NBA All-Defensive Second Team in 2011 and 2008. "

"The voting panel consisted of the NBA's 30 head coaches, who were asked to select NBA All-Defensive First and Second Teams by position. Coaches were not permitted to vote for players from their own team. Two points were awarded for a First Team vote and one point was awarded for a Second Team vote. "

[Jdm94Coupe]

There's your FACTS.

[Vteckidd]

You're mixing what I said.

I said ALL TIME.

As far as right now, this year, I don't think he was the top PG, how many triple doubles did he have? What were Parker's numbers?

I'm not a Georgia boy LOL don't insult me :p

Im just not sold on cp3, he's a superstar now, but he's go company, I don't think he's top of the PG hill

[Vteckidd]

Edit: fine cp3 is the best PG in the league.

Moving on, Boston wins tonight, do they have a chance, oR is Miami still favored

[Jdm94Coupe]

i already know....

and i got miami tonight by 7!! you kno i havent been wrong yet against you.... lol....

[Vteckidd]

You're like 5-0 against me Haha

Stick around during football season :)

[Jdm94Coupe]

You're like 5-0 against me Haha

Stick around during football season :)

yea im not too great, i dont buy the nfl sunday ticket.... but i always get the nba league pass. i have all 3 dvr's in my house set to record different games so i watch as much as i can.... football i dont watch much anymore.....

[Vteckidd]

I had league pass this year. Best purchase ever.

Boston playing great, Miami looks stuck in neutral, no heart.

[quickdodge®]

Stick around during football season :)

We gonna do a FF on here this year?


Miami looks stuck in neutral, no heart.

Look familiar? Flashback to last year's "dream team?" Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

the 3 point shots are killing them. once boston stops their dream run miami will come back and make this interesting. i dont like lebrons lazy defense though, making me think he's throwing the game.... anybody else notice his lack of defense help or defense period?

[Vteckidd]

Lebron is having a monster offensive game, 19 points at half. Wade disappearing again 1-8 to start.

Heat look lost.

Boston 3 pointers are hurting, but its not what's killing them, its the offensive rebounds. Both teams shot 50% fg roughly at half.

Not to bring this up again but watching Rondo play right now, have you ever seen a performance like this? He looks like magic

[Sinfix_15]

7 years.... just to clarify.... but like i said, the nba agreed with my opinion, not your opinions..... he's the best pg in the league and the 3rd best player in the nba this year. says the nba, not just me.

If you think there's no such thing as media bias, then you're a moron and probably dont own a TV set. Look at the NFL for example...... Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL, but we've spent the last 2 seasons talking about Tebow every day.... why? because hes the "next big thing" the fresh topic. We could sit around talking about how great Tom Brady is every day...... but people dont want to hear it. They want the next thing. Chris Paul is that next thing. Tony Parker is the multi time champion that everyone already knows is great and doesnt need to be talked about. There's no media bias with Tony Parker.

The experts that make the polls, pick the allstars and rank the teams are always right i guess...... thats why the preseason #1 team always runs the table and wins the championship.... oh wait...........

Tony Parker is better than Chris Paul.

[Sinfix_15]

LEBRON IS SO CLUTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sinfix_15]

i remember watching old bulls games and pulling for the other team to beat jordan............ but when jordan got the ball in his hands id always hang my head low because i knew what was about to happen. When Wade passed the ball to Lebron i almost jumped out of my seat in joy..............

[Sinfix_15]

shit.................. at first i was happy...... but now i realize that Lebron wont be on the floor to take the last shot...

[Vteckidd]

Lebron hits great 3, falls apart on the line though.

He had a good game, Wade couldn't close. Bad coaching by spoelstra end of regulation, no shooters on floor easy triple team on lebron. Not his fault.

[Jdm94Coupe]

good game. just like the clippers, bad coaching.....

[Sinfix_15]

good game. just like the clippers, bad coaching.....

Nope.... Clippers lost to a better team with a better PG.

[Vteckidd]

Good game, bosh for game 5??

[Vteckidd]

good game. just like the clippers, bad coaching.....

They just re-upped del negro didn't they?

[Jdm94Coupe]

They just re-upped del negro didn't they?

yepp, they might lose cp3 because of that move.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Nope.... Clippers lost to a better team with a better PG.

much much much better team, coach, organization..... but the nba says he's not a better point guard. offensively of defensively.

[Vteckidd]

After watching the end of regulation play, why did Lebron drive right? It was a clear out to the left, he drove right into the defense. makes no sense?

Wade got Daniels in the air, why didnt he jump into him, easy foul call, they do it all day.

Weird.

[Sinfix_15]

much much much better team, coach, organization..... but the nba says he's not a better point guard. offensively of defensively.

really? they said that......? because i thought the NBA rewarded the best players with one of these?
http://www.clap.name/images/blog/tony_parker.jpg

and correct me if im wrong? but Chris Paul hasnt been given one? or been anywhere close to getting one.

[Sinfix_15]

Maybe one day Tony Parker will win that prestigious award of being selected to an imaginary team based on a panel of judge's opinions. Until then, i guess these will have to do.


http://www.cocktailmatch.com/users/156/blog/Tony%20Parker%20Finals%20MVP%20Trophy.jpg
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/4/4d/TonyParkerEvaMVP.jpg
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2012/02/10406626.5-19340639-SPURS-RETURN-06_15_2007-306x453.jpg
http://www.xbox-gamer.net/images_blog/NATTY_549307387.jpg
http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/13/25/05/2969973/5/628x471.jpg

[Vteckidd]

LOL if you watch sports everyday (and i do) from Mike and Mike to First Take, to Colin Cowerd etc you can kinda get a feel for where the votes come from and why.

Chris Paul is an OUTSTANDING talent, a true superstar , ive watched probably 20-30 games this year with him in it (how could you not, the Clippers were almost EVERY late night west coast game on TNT or NBA TV). Hes silky smooth, great offensive skills, great defender, etc. Clearly many people think he is the best in the NBA at the PG position.

I think he is a GREAT player in the NBA, i stated i would him if i was offered a chance to pick a PG to start a team with. BUT.................

I think if you look at the PG in the league right now, he clearly has company. Hes not like Lebron where he is far and away the best PF in the league , or like Durant the best 2/4 in the game.

I dont know how you cannot include the leagues previous MVP in Derrick Rose. D Rose is taller, averages more points (in a shorter career though) , i think Paul averages more Assists, but i dont know if Paul has been on BETTER teams. I dont think Derrick Rose has had a team like Paul has on the clippers this year. Rose has never really had another all star of Griffins caliber (Even though i think Deng and Griffin are NOT all stars)

Ive watched parker play alot this year, and hes just underrated. People will never put him in the same league as CP3 because CP3 sells Jerseys and shoes, Parker doesnt.

Chris Paul had ZERO right to be voted anything MVP this year, Kevin Love was far superior to his team, but Kevin Love is a scruffy white dude who plays for minnesota, he will never get any votes lol

My point is, there is a level of hype that goes to players that influences there votes and stuff. Deron Williams gets it, Melo gets it even though hes really accomplished nothing in his NBA career except destroy teams hes on LOL, John Wall had it his first year, etc

[Greddypacked]

Whose going to win the series Miami or Boston.... hmmmm

[Jdm94Coupe]

really? they said that......? because i thought the NBA rewarded the best players with one of these?

and correct me if im wrong? but Chris Paul hasnt been given one? or been anywhere close to getting one.

You're so smart. You're right, has nothing to do with having the best PF in nba history on your team, along with the top 5 best 6th man in nba history. Compared to david west who was the 2nd best player on New orleans and blake griffin who is the 2nd best player on the clippers. Has nothing to do with that, maybe they felt sorry for CP3 and make up all the stats and game winning shots from this year. Maybe it has nothing to do with him being in the top 5 nba players in 4th quarter scoring this year, or the 3rd place he came in assists, or 1st he came in steals......

when SA wins, tony gets the credit. When they lose, duncan and supporting cast get the credit..... great moto.... btw let the people who vote on nba first team and defensive first team do their jobs. im sure you dont kno more then they do. it's their day job, keep yours.


Maybe one day Tony Parker will win that prestigious award of being selected to an imaginary team based on a panel of judge's opinions. Until then, i guess these will have to do.

He did that all alone, right. Has nothing to do with the best PF in history being on your team, right?


Chris Paul is an OUTSTANDING talent, a true superstar , ive watched probably 20-30 games this year with him in it (how could you not, the Clippers were almost EVERY late night west coast game on TNT or NBA TV). Hes silky smooth, great offensive skills, great defender, etc. Clearly many people think he is the best in the NBA at the PG position.

I think he is a GREAT player in the NBA, i stated i would him if i was offered a chance to pick a PG to start a team with. BUT.................

I think if you look at the PG in the league right now, he clearly has company. Hes not like Lebron where he is far and away the best PF in the league , or like Durant the best 2/4 in the game.

I dont know how you cannot include the leagues previous MVP in Derrick Rose. D Rose is taller, averages more points (in a shorter career though) , i think Paul averages more Assists, but i dont know if Paul has been on BETTER teams. I dont think Derrick Rose has had a team like Paul has on the clippers this year. Rose has never really had another all star of Griffins caliber (Even though i think Deng and Griffin are NOT all stars)

People will never put him in the same league as CP3 because CP3 sells Jerseys and shoes, Parker doesnt.

Chris Paul had ZERO right to be voted anything MVP this year, Kevin Love was far superior to his team, but Kevin Love is a scruffy white dude who plays for minnesota, he will never get any votes lol

My point is, there is a level of hype that goes to players that influences there votes and stuff. Deron Williams gets it, Melo gets it even though hes really accomplished nothing in his NBA career except destroy teams hes on LOL, John Wall had it his first year, etc

1. The hype from a player has nothing to do with his numbers! He produced more then ANY point guard in the nba. One PG might average more points then him but lacks in every other category, its that way for 100% of the other PG in the nba. Rose was hurt most of the year anyway, so he wont be in the convo. and he doesn't make every player on his team better like paul does. hell chicago beats teams like miami without him...... so its evident that rose is not as important to his team as paul is to his.
2. Chris paul to kevin love is just a comment i shouldn't even be discussing. Kevin love is great. but no chris paul, obviously.
3. Do you want to know why parker is not in the same league as paul???? He's got a better team then paul right? then why does he not do this.............................................. ......


"Paul this season became only the second player (Tim Hardaway, 1990-91) in NBA history to average at least 19.0 points, 9.0 assists, 3.5 rebounds and 2.0 steals"

^^^ stockton never done it.... jordan never done it.... magic never done it..... steve nash never done it..... rondo never done it..... tony parker never done it..... westbrook never done it(even though he shoots 100 times a game)..... isiah thomas never done it.....gary payton never done it..... jason kidd never done it

Face it people..... all these other point guards in the nba do ONE MAYBE two things great..... but they arent the total package.....

1. Tony Parker..... great scorer.... no defense and no assists compared to paul, not as many clutch 4th quarter games as paul this year
2. Westbrook...... sucks at running his team, not even in the equation..... paul on the thunder would win 70+ games a year
3. Rose..... great scorer, makes nobody in his team better.... and who gives a shit he is taller.... look on youtube and see what chris paul does to rose when they play.... LOOK and see.... he dominates rose, hes a shooting guard in a small frame, cant fuck with paul on ANY night. google their matchups
4. rondo.... great passer/assist man, great offensive coordinator.... no defense compared to paul, no jump shot unless miami sags into the paint on him, cant hit a free throw to save his own children, no three point shot

and to say chris paul had a better team then rose is CRAZY, clippers are trash compared to the bulls......

[Vteckidd]

^^^^^ and Tim hardaway isn't even a HOF, the rest on your list are. Hardaway might get I'm this year, maybe.

I think whoever wins game 5 in both series wins overall.

[Jdm94Coupe]

i agree vteckidd!

[Vteckidd]

I think cp3 was the flavor this year, analysts,writers loved him. We will see what he does next year, they better improve.

[Jdm94Coupe]

he has done his part every year he's been in the nba, he just doesnt have enough skill around him like the elite teams do.... okc,sa,miami, boston, bulls, indiana.... all have great supporting cast along their superstars

btw just because u can cross over slow pg's dont mean you are a elite pg, you dont have to jump high to show you are great....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLdMWmLjNfg

[Jdm94Coupe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=fGRic5qkNTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzWAbufF7gU

ALL IN THE SAME GAME..... rose can't fuck with chris paul. dont let the dunks fool you. cp3 outplays rose all day everyday

[Vteckidd]

I think the clippers were better than the hornets, but they still are a crap team. They

[Jdm94Coupe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbtG8h7JI80&feature=fvwp

nba first team defense..... look at the 2:00 mark of this video..... thats why.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

I think the clippers were better than the hornets, but they still are a crap team. They

Clippers were 32-50 the year before paul....... 39% record
Clippers were 40-26 this year with paul ...... 61% winning record.....

Hornets were 18-64 before chris paul..... THEN.....

In his first season, he led all rookies in points, assists, steals, and minutes, garnering him the 2006 NBA Rookie of the Year Award. He was also the only unanimous selection to the 2005-06 NBA All Rookie First Team and was named Western Conference Rookie of the Month every month in the 2005-06 season


It's safe to say he drastically affects his teams winning % wherever he goes. Thats why stern wouldnt let the lakers get him.

[Vteckidd]

Okc up 11

[Jdm94Coupe]

i got sa in the 2nd half. i think they will pull through

[Vteckidd]

Gonna come down to the wire, good game

[Jdm94Coupe]

i think the 4th is manu time!

[Vteckidd]

Okc up 9! Damn have we seen a team implode as bad as the spurs in the postseason?

Its not over but damn

[Vteckidd]

Lights out, see ya SA, thunder will win game 6 at home.

Okc versus a fully healthy Miami?

Feels like this is durants year

[Sinfix_15]

Clippers were 32-50 the year before paul....... 39% record
Clippers were 40-26 this year with paul ...... 61% winning record.....

Hornets were 18-64 before chris paul..... THEN.....

In his first season, he led all rookies in points, assists, steals, and minutes, garnering him the 2006 NBA Rookie of the Year Award. He was also the only unanimous selection to the 2005-06 NBA All Rookie First Team and was named Western Conference Rookie of the Month every month in the 2005-06 season


It's safe to say he drastically affects his teams winning % wherever he goes. Thats why stern wouldnt let the lakers get him.

Any elite PG drastically effects his team.

[Sinfix_15]

Lights out, see ya SA, thunder will win game 6 at home.

Okc versus a fully healthy Miami?

Feels like this is durants year

crazy how things turned.... SA looked unstoppable, now OKC has won 3 straight and is in command of the series.......

[Jdm94Coupe]

crazy how things turned.... SA looked unstoppable, now OKC has won 3 straight and is in command of the series.......

man this is gonna be crazy if SA goes into okc and wins game 6.....i will have to do out somewhere to watch game 7

[Vteckidd]

I dont think SA can win in OKC. OKC is gonna be like the Kings arena in 2001 versus the lakers

[Jdm94Coupe]

tony parker needs to step up. he can't let a guy who is bigger defend him, he's gotta find a way to get open mid range shots again....... thats the change they need to make.... besides never playing danny green again, he let the team down a lot from the way he was playing. play blair more and start manu again and start stephen jackson too.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

watch and see how aggressive lebron will be tonight.

[Jdm94Coupe]

btw this is what you need to do as a point guard when they put a slow ass sefolosha on you.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OzcRVaOXU8

[Vteckidd]

btw this is what you need to do as a point guard when they put a slow ass sefolosha on you.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OzcRVaOXU8

LOL thabo was picked, he beat Perkins which any PG can do :)

[Vteckidd]

watch and see how aggressive lebron will be tonight.

Bron isn't the problem, Wade has to step up

[Vteckidd]

Woot! Boston has HEART!

Miami just doesn't have it. You will not see d Wade in a heat uniform next year. Maybe not spoelstra

[quickdodge®]

Lolol. Memories of last year. Of course the series isn't over, but still. Later, QD.

[Sinfix_15]

Paul Pierce has ice water in his veins.

[Jdm94Coupe]

so miami is done? you guys say miami can't win in boston? series over? ....... honestly, spoelstra is the main problem. Bosh looked good to me, where was he at? why was he still on the bench?

[quickdodge®]

series over?

Huh? At approximately 11:51 yesterday evening, I post the below:


Of course the series isn't over, but still.

The preceding was posted about seven hours before your comment. How did you get "series is over" out of my saying that the series isn't over? Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

LOL thabo was picked, he beat Perkins which any PG can do :)

real PG's know where to call the screens to..... picked sefolosha, blew past perkins, faked westbrooks slow ass out and layed up high over the nba leader in blocks..... with durant on the other side saying "damn i need a pg like that on my team" .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyBfIC2heFs&feature=endscreen&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-YfOQd_-U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=J-9peNx47n0

btw...... this is how he did the spurs when he wasnt hurt like he was after the memphis series....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl0UVg5CFEg&feature=relmfu

and tony parker better then paul on pick and rolls..... lol NOT, and most definitely not more clutch, look at the layup at the 5:20 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk9didmgZK0&feature=fvwrel

[Jdm94Coupe]

Huh? At approximately 11:51 yesterday evening, I post the below:



The preceding was posted about seven hours before your comment. How did you get "series is over" out of my saying that the series isn't over? Later, QD.

wasn't talking about you, vteckidd. calm down guy, lol.

[Vteckidd]

LOL "Slow Ass Westbrook"? Westbrook is probably THE FASTEST PG in the game.

Yes, Miami just had their heart put on a platter after having it ripped out. They dont have the mental toughness to win in the Jungle. Boston is going to the Finals, BOOK IT

You have seen the last of D Wade in a Miami Heat uniform, he will be traded after this season. Major personnel shake ups are coming. Lebron did his part.

Spoelstra is getting outcoached severely. Bosh had a 20-25 minute clearance, he played 12 and had 9 points and 7 boards? WTF where was he the rest of the game? IMO you play him, he said he felt great, you play him.

[Jdm94Coupe]

LOL "Slow Ass Westbrook"? Westbrook is probably THE FASTEST PG in the game.

Yes, Miami just had their heart put on a platter after having it ripped out. They dont have the mental toughness to win in the Jungle. Boston is going to the Finals, BOOK IT

You have seen the last of D Wade in a Miami Heat uniform, he will be traded after this season. Major personnel shake ups are coming. Lebron did his part.

Spoelstra is getting outcoached severely. Bosh had a 20-25 minute clearance, he played 12 and had 9 points and 7 boards? WTF where was he the rest of the game? IMO you play him, he said he felt great, you play him.

lol @ westbrook. no comment....

spoelstra fucked up. bosh was playing great. offense and defense.... he better start and play 35+ minutes next game...... the series is not over, dont book it.....

[Vteckidd]

its never OVER, i mean Miami could show up and play like they are supposed to. But youre asking me if they have the mental toughness to go into Boston TD Garden and win? I dont think so.

I dont know Westbrook driving the lane, is just so explosive, i dont know if anyone is faster than he is. Slashing from the wing, Paul is incredibly fast. But driving straight down the lane, i dont know man, RW is FAST, like lightning. Paul is probably is quicker on the crossover left to right moves.

[Vteckidd]

Stephen A SMith

"SHOULD MIAMI LOSE THIS SERIES ON THURSDAY OR GAME 7, MY SOURCES TELL ME THE ONLY PERSON SAFE, IS LEBRON JAMES. YES, YOUR MAN BATMAN, IS ABLE TO BE TRADED. "

BOOM

[Jdm94Coupe]

its never OVER, i mean Miami could show up and play like they are supposed to. But youre asking me if they have the mental toughness to go into Boston TD Garden and win? I dont think so.

I dont know Westbrook driving the lane, is just so explosive, i dont know if anyone is faster than he is. Slashing from the wing, Paul is incredibly fast. But driving straight down the lane, i dont know man, RW is FAST, like lightning. Paul is probably is quicker on the crossover left to right moves.

why does westbrook continue to let chris paul blow past him and drop 30+ points every time he plays against him? if he was that fast he would catch up right?

[Jdm94Coupe]

Stephen A SMith

"SHOULD MIAMI LOSE THIS SERIES ON THURSDAY OR GAME 7, MY SOURCES TELL ME THE ONLY PERSON SAFE, IS LEBRON JAMES. YES, YOUR MAN BATMAN, IS ABLE TO BE TRADED. "

BOOM

i wish i was watching first take now, im recording it. im in class right now. i will check it out when i get home. but i highly highly doubt they will not come with the pain in boston. im sure this isnt not done.

[Vteckidd]

why does westbrook continue to let chris paul blow past him and drop 30+ points every time he plays against him? if he was that fast he would catch up right?

cause westbrook is a horrible defender lol

watch first take, its amazing 1+ hours full of miami heat talk lol

[Jdm94Coupe]

cause westbrook is a horrible defender lol

watch first take, its amazing 1+ hours full of miami heat talk lol

he also can't score against paul either..... yea i watch first take every day when i get home. ima see it in about 30 minutes.

[Sinfix_15]

why does westbrook continue to let chris paul blow past him and drop 30+ points every time he plays against him? if he was that fast he would catch up right?

get off the chris paul bullshit................................ I've seen Derrick Rose blow past Chris Paul so fast he fell on the floor. Speed isnt the only factor in "shaking" someone. If we're talking foot race speed, i dont think Paul is faster than Rose or Westbrook.

Everybody knows Chris Paul is good...... but you take it to a new level.

[Vteckidd]

he also can't score against paul either..... yea i watch first take every day when i get home. ima see it in about 30 minutes.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/players/russell-westbrook/comparison/12/21/315/173

11-12 season

Westbrook outranks Paul in some key categories, like POINTS, REBOUNDS, BLOCKS (PG AND BLOCKS????), Field Goals MADE. CP3 leads in assists and FG% and Steals.

They are pretty close. ANd in head to head matchups, Westbrook has outscored CP3 2 games to 2

[Sinfix_15]

What pieces can you realistically put around Lebron who will be any better than they are now? The Heat actually have a fairly deep cast of role players.... more than you would expect them to be able to have. Udonis Haslem, Mike Miller, Shane Battier.... those are pretty good guys to bring off the bench. If you combine Turiaf and Haslem's stats at C, they have solid "big man" numbers without even bringing Bosh's stats into the mix. Miller and Battier both spread the floor. DWade is one of the best isolation scorers in the NBA..... Chalmers is Chalmers.... but you shouldnt need a Chris Paul or Derron Williams running point to win with this team...... especially not when they have such capable ball handlers like Wade and Lebron.

Why is this team losing? Can anyone really produce an explanation outside of just "they dont have IT"

[Vteckidd]

I dont wanna ruin first take for JDMCoupe, but stephen a smith was pretty correct, and i have been saying it all year too. Go watch teams that have won the last few years. From Dallas, to LAL, Boston, look at OKC NOW, etc.

They have heart. They have mental toughness.

The problem for me is Wade and Lebron are TOO GOOD of friends. Lebron isnt going to tell D Wade "STEP YOUR GAME UP WTF ARE YOU DOING" and Wade isnt going to do the same to Lebron. Miami plays UNSTOPPABLE when things are going their way, but their MO is out, KEEP IT CLOSE, THEY CANT CLOSE GAMES. They dont know what to do. Lebron isnt a killer, he is a tremendous 3.5 quarter player, but he isnt a closer like Wade, Kobe, MJ, Pierce, Melo, etc.

Go look at games WITHOUT WADE and look at the numbers Bosh an James put up. That is the formula for winning. WIth all 3 on the floor, its too hard to get other people their touches to win. ANd the other problem is their bench is just not good enough.

Mike MIller is a huge disappointment, hes severely injured. Haslem has played well but hes like a Perkins with a jump shot. Hes not a go to guy. Battier is too old. They need depth with a spot up shooter and transition 3 player.

they need Ray Allen, Stephen Jackson, Novak, that white dude from Orlando. They need some kind of perimeter shooter who they can count on and kick it too. They also need to lose wade, because wade an LBJ on the floor together obviously DOESNT work.

Twitter is trending that people want Riley to call Jim Buss and trade Bosh and Wade for Pau and Kobe. LOL

[Vteckidd]

they are losing because they have no offensive set, its kinda like a pick up game. Zone kills them.

They dont have a true leader, they dont respect each other, and they lack mental toughness. If they dont score, they bitch whine and moan about a no foul call, if they play bad defense, they point fingers at the other players and get frustrated and play lazy transition Defense.

[Jdm94Coupe]

What pieces can you realistically put around Lebron who will be any better than they are now? The Heat actually have a fairly deep cast of role players.... more than you would expect them to be able to have. Udonis Haslem, Mike Miller, Shane Battier.... those are pretty good guys to bring off the bench. If you combine Turiaf and Haslem's stats at C, they have solid "big man" numbers without even bringing Bosh's stats into the mix. Miller and Battier both spread the floor. DWade is one of the best isolation scorers in the NBA..... Chalmers is Chalmers.... but you shouldnt need a Chris Paul or Derron Williams running point to win with this team...... especially not when they have such capable ball handlers like Wade and Lebron.

Why is this team losing? Can anyone really produce an explanation outside of just "they dont have IT"

Series isn't over. when its over we can say why "they dont have it".... just my opinion....

people have to remember all these playoff games have been without bosh..... and last night as well.... 12 minutes, lol come on.....


http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/players/russell-westbrook/comparison/12/21/315/173

11-12 season

Westbrook outranks Paul in some key categories, like POINTS, REBOUNDS, BLOCKS (PG AND BLOCKS????), Field Goals MADE. CP3 leads in assists and FG% and Steals.

They are pretty close. ANd in head to head matchups, Westbrook has outscored CP3 2 games to 2

The 2 games to 2 points is not a smart move.

1. Thunder 77..... clippers 92
westbrook had 9 points in 32 minutes.....shot 25% from the field (4/16)... 3 assists
chris paul .had 12 points in 36 minutes...shot 42% from the field (5/12).... 10 assists

If you have 9 points in 32 minutes, you probably should have more then 3 assists..... dont you think?

2. Thunder 98..... clippers 100
westbrook had 20 points in 37 minutes.... shot 21% from the field (3/14).... 1/5 3pt shots.... 7 assists
chris paul had 31 points in 37 minutes..... shot 55% from the field (11/20)... 2/4 3pt shots.... 4 assists

Westbrook had 11 LESS points and shot 34% worse then paul. and finally had 3 more assists. (with the leading scorer in the nba on his team)

3. Thunder 114 ..... clippers 91
Westbrook had 19 points in 35 minutes..... shot 40% from the field (8/20)... 1/4 3pt shots ..... 4 assists
chris paul had 13 points in 32 minutes...... shot 25% from the field (3/12) ... 2/7 3pt shots...... 10 assists

Westbrook only had 6 more points and took 8 more shots from the field? and had 6 less turnovers.... horrible shooting game from paul, BUT 10 assists will help.

4. Thunder 100 .... clippers 112
Westbrook had 31 points in 38 minutes .... shot 50% from the field (13/26) .... 0/3 3pt shots.... 4 assists
Chris paul had 26 points in 37 minutes .... shot 75% from the field (12/16) .... 2/3 3 pt shots.... 14 assists

Westbrook shot 10 more shots and make 1 more shot then paul.... missed all 3 of his 3 point shots, while cp3 make 67% of his 3 point shots. also managing to drop 10 MORE assists the westbrook and winning the game with a team not having the best scorer in the nba and the 6th man of the year!!! You really would take westbrook over paul?

Westbrook has the leading scorer in the NBA and he let the clippers go 3/4 against them.
Westbrook averages 3.8 more points a game, BUT takes 4.4 more shots a game then Paul.
Westbrook shoots worse from the field, 3 point, AND free throw line.
Westbrook averages 5.5 assists with the best scorer in the nba right next to him. CP3 averages 9.1 with trash on his team.
Westbrook averages 3.6 turnovers, compared to pauls 2.1 ...... remember paul also has the ball in his hands more, because he has no domincant scorer.
Westbrook averages 1.7 steals to chris paul's 2.5.....
Westbrook is a better rebounder.... 1 more a game..... thats a lot of other stats to give up for my PG getting one more rebound....
Westbrook's efficiency is lower then pauls.... 20.5 to 24.5

Summary: Thats A HUGE difference from the #1 ranked PG to the #2 ranked...CP3=#1 and Westbrook ranked #2... bring up the rankings from the other PG's people are bringing up in this thread.

[Jdm94Coupe]

I dont wanna ruin first take for JDMCoupe

My damn dvr didnt record it. so so sad.

check this out too........ http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/2/eff

in efficiency, cp3 is head and shoulders away from everybody else.

[Vteckidd]

The podcast is on ESPN.com/first take!