Miami Heat LOL

[Vteckidd]

Westbrook trades assists for rebounds. I clearly think westbrook isn't as great as cp3, but I don't think he's far behind either.

He has positives cp3 will never have, and vice versa

[Jdm94Coupe]

Westbrook trades assists for rebounds. I clearly think westbrook isn't as great as cp3, but I don't think he's far behind either.

He has positives cp3 will never have, and vice versa

Lol, come on now vteckidd. How important is 1.1 rebound a game? Cp3 is the 11th ranked pg in the league in rebounds, westbrook is 3rd with only one more rebound a game. Idk about you, but i think i would rather have 4 more assists and one more steal a game from my PG. And also westbrook averages a full TO a game more. But ok i'll drop it now, lol..... thanks about the podcast. im about to watch it now, had to get my nap on first.

btw CP3 finished 2nd in mvp voting in 2007 i think it was. behind kobe bryant, im sure CP3 isn't going anywhere!

[Vteckidd]

it actually translates into alot, but i agree with you CP3 is a better PG, assists =points right? So averaging 4 more assists =8 points (4x2). Rebounds dont = points necessarily.

But Westbrook averages more points a game, on more shot attempts.

Im not arguing with you lol im just saying they both have a ton of positive attributes. If WB starts upping his assists because he can, he will be dangerous. He takes far too many shot attemots

[Jdm94Coupe]

agreed!!!! i think cp3 might leave the clippers after next season. he wont sign a contract, and they just signed negro. lol .... i also know he was very disappointed when billups got hurt.... changed his role a lot....

[Vteckidd]

yeah they would have been alot more deadly with Billups IMO I really like Mo Williams, he reminds me of Jason Terry.

Im interested to see their offseason moves.

did you watch First Take? Stephen A Smith said "BOSH/WADE for PAU/KOBE"

[Jdm94Coupe]

yeah they would have been alot more deadly with Billups IMO I really like Mo Williams, he reminds me of Jason Terry.

Im interested to see their offseason moves.

did you watch First Take? Stephen A Smith said "BOSH/WADE for PAU/KOBE"

i love mo as well.... but i thought del negro fucked up the lineup. he shouldve started nick young for caron butler right from the start..... i doubt that trade would happen..... but who knows.....

[quickdodge®]

Looking like OKC may have pulled it off to represent the winning conference. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

This just has a feel like its OKCs year. I havent seen a guy takeover a game like this since MJ or Kobe or Wade

Durant is just absolutely unbelievable

[Sinfix_15]

Series isn't over. when its over we can say why "they dont have it".... just my opinion....

people have to remember all these playoff games have been without bosh..... and last night as well.... 12 minutes, lol come on.....



The 2 games to 2 points is not a smart move.

1. Thunder 77..... clippers 92
westbrook had 9 points in 32 minutes.....shot 25% from the field (4/16)... 3 assists
chris paul .had 12 points in 36 minutes...shot 42% from the field (5/12).... 10 assists

If you have 9 points in 32 minutes, you probably should have more then 3 assists..... dont you think?

2. Thunder 98..... clippers 100
westbrook had 20 points in 37 minutes.... shot 21% from the field (3/14).... 1/5 3pt shots.... 7 assists
chris paul had 31 points in 37 minutes..... shot 55% from the field (11/20)... 2/4 3pt shots.... 4 assists

Westbrook had 11 LESS points and shot 34% worse then paul. and finally had 3 more assists. (with the leading scorer in the nba on his team)

3. Thunder 114 ..... clippers 91
Westbrook had 19 points in 35 minutes..... shot 40% from the field (8/20)... 1/4 3pt shots ..... 4 assists
chris paul had 13 points in 32 minutes...... shot 25% from the field (3/12) ... 2/7 3pt shots...... 10 assists

Westbrook only had 6 more points and took 8 more shots from the field? and had 6 less turnovers.... horrible shooting game from paul, BUT 10 assists will help.

4. Thunder 100 .... clippers 112
Westbrook had 31 points in 38 minutes .... shot 50% from the field (13/26) .... 0/3 3pt shots.... 4 assists
Chris paul had 26 points in 37 minutes .... shot 75% from the field (12/16) .... 2/3 3 pt shots.... 14 assists

Westbrook shot 10 more shots and make 1 more shot then paul.... missed all 3 of his 3 point shots, while cp3 make 67% of his 3 point shots. also managing to drop 10 MORE assists the westbrook and winning the game with a team not having the best scorer in the nba and the 6th man of the year!!! You really would take westbrook over paul?

Westbrook has the leading scorer in the NBA and he let the clippers go 3/4 against them.
Westbrook averages 3.8 more points a game, BUT takes 4.4 more shots a game then Paul.
Westbrook shoots worse from the field, 3 point, AND free throw line.
Westbrook averages 5.5 assists with the best scorer in the nba right next to him. CP3 averages 9.1 with trash on his team.
Westbrook averages 3.6 turnovers, compared to pauls 2.1 ...... remember paul also has the ball in his hands more, because he has no domincant scorer.
Westbrook averages 1.7 steals to chris paul's 2.5.....
Westbrook is a better rebounder.... 1 more a game..... thats a lot of other stats to give up for my PG getting one more rebound....
Westbrook's efficiency is lower then pauls.... 20.5 to 24.5

Summary: Thats A HUGE difference from the #1 ranked PG to the #2 ranked...CP3=#1 and Westbrook ranked #2... bring up the rankings from the other PG's people are bringing up in this thread.

-12 with Bosh on the floor, +6 with Haslem on the floor.




You cant judge players by stats alone. Chris Paul is a stat machine on an insignificant team, Westbrook shares stats with Kevin Durant. You make it seem like having Durant on your team should improve your assist numbers? Every time Durant gets the ball in iso, does his own thing and scores... thats an assist opportunity that Westbrook doesnt get. Blake Griffin does WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more for your assist numbers than Durant, the same way any offensive big man does.

Funny how you're such a stat junky when something is in Chris Paul's favor, but you laughed at Kevin Love being mentioned in MVP talks......because Kevin Love's stats shit all over Chris Paul.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Funny how you're such a stat junky when something is in Chris Paul's favor, but you laughed at Kevin Love being mentioned in MVP talks......because Kevin Love's stats shit all over Chris Paul.

He should've been in the top 10 in mvp talks. but he is the king of stats on a insignificant team like you say.

[Sinfix_15]

He should've been in the top 10 in mvp talks. but he is the king of stats on a insignificant team like you say.

SO IS CHRIS PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've been bragging about Paul being 3rd for 4 pages............ if Kevin Love is "top 10 in mvp talks" then Chris Paul should be 15th+

[Jdm94Coupe]

SO IS CHRIS PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've been bragging about Paul being 3rd for 4 pages............ if Kevin Love is "top 10 in mvp talks" then Chris Paul should be 15th+

well he was third. face it. invest in league pass next year, and watch him dominate every pg in the nba on a nightly basis. dont just tune in when the playoffs start to watch his less skilled team lose to a superior team to his and assume he isnt better. last time i will say this. you dont get named to the all nba first team and all nba first team defense based on popularity. dominates every pg in the nba 99% of the time he is on the court. kevin love cant even take his team to the playoffs, no need to discuss him.

[Sinfix_15]

well he was third. face it. invest in league pass next year, and watch him dominate every pg in the nba on a nightly basis. dont just tune in when the playoffs start to watch his less skilled team lose to a superior team to his and assume he isnt better. last time i will say this. you dont get named to the all nba first team and all nba first team defense based on popularity. dominates every pg in the nba 99% of the time he is on the court. kevin love cant even take his team to the playoffs, no need to discuss him.

i watch the fucking games kid, i just dont see what you see....... Chris Paul is a great player..... but he has one hell of a hype train working for him. Chris Paul is not the undisputed best PG in the nba..... if you think this... then you're a Chris Paul dick rider. The top 5 PGs in the NBA all have a case to be #1.

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i watch the fucking games kid, i just dont see what you see....... Chris Paul is a great player..... but he has one hell of a hype train working for him. Chris Paul is not the undisputed best PG in the nba..... if you think this... then you're a Chris Paul dick rider. The top 5 PGs in the NBA all have a case to be #1.

^x2 I can name 5 of the top of my head that are better then chris.


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[E36slide]

this is how the year will fold out imo

miami vs boston..... miami in 5 games
spurs vs thunder..... spurs in 5 games

spurs vs miami ....... spurs in 6[/QUOTE]

Lmao ^ totally wrong....

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[Jdm94Coupe]

i watch the fucking games kid, i just dont see what you see....... Chris Paul is a great player..... but he has one hell of a hype train working for him. Chris Paul is not the undisputed best PG in the nba..... if you think this... then you're a Chris Paul dick rider. The top 5 PGs in the NBA all have a case to be #1.

Let me tell you something, you need to grow up and quit calling a grown ass man a kid. You EVIDENTLY do NOT watch the games, i will invite you to my house to watch cp3 dominate ANY pg in the nba you choose. I have every single game on my DVR. He dominated the entire season. He was the best/ most efficient pg in the nba. LOOK AT THE #'s!! LOOK LOOK LOOK

The pg in second place is no where NEAR him...... LOOK with your own eyes..... quit ignoring it.... the nba coaches voted him best defensive pg in the nba. the media/coaches/ etc voted him the #1 pg in the nba..... thats the point of the ALL NBA teams....

#1 Pg on the all nba team
#1 PG on the all nba defensive team
#3 in the ENTIRE NBA in MVP voting..... behind ONLY LEBRON AND DURANT..... ignore all you want, the league and the people who eat, sleep, shit and breath the nba know he's the best PG.


NBA Players Stats 2011-2012 - NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats (http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/2/eff)


^x2 I can name 5 of the top of my head that are better then chris.


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The dumbest fucking comment in this thread. Name 5 Pg's better then CP3..... even though vteckidd and others dont think he is #1, no fucking idiot on the face of the earth can name 5 point guards in the nba better then cp3 this year. go watch football.

[Jdm94Coupe]

NOBODY IN THE ENTIRE NBA FROM 2007-2012 HAS MORE GAME WINNING SHOTS IN THE LAST 10 SECONDS OF A GAME...... MOST CLUTCH PLAYER IN THE NBA

Most Game-Winning Shots in Last 10 Seconds of Game (2007 – 2012)

Chris Paul 10 (3 such shots in 2012)

Kobe Bryant 9

Carmelo Anthony 8

Dirk Nowitzki 8

Dwyane Wade 6

[Jdm94Coupe]

“Clutchness”:

No one is better late in a game than CP3. Don’t believe me? Paul is 3rd in the NBA with 369 points in the 4th quarter this season, which is a staggering 31% of his overall points. Everyone in the building knows that CP3 is going to have the ball at the end of the game, YET he is still shooting 50.4% from the field in the 4th quarter.

But let’s dig deeper…In the final five minutes of a game with the Clips ahead or behind by 5 points or less, CP3 trumps Durant and Kobe Bryant (and the rest of the NBA):

Playoffs are MVP Audition for CP3 : Court Crusades (http://www.rantsports.com/courtcrusades/2012/04/27/playoffs-are-mvp-audition-for-cp3/#s20)

^^^^^^^^^^ CLICK THE LINK^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Jdm94Coupe]

lmk if you people need more proof that he is the best PG, not sure how you can still argue. When im wrong i admit it, do the same.

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Let me tell you something, you need to grow up and quit calling a grown ass man a kid. You EVIDENTLY do NOT watch the games, i will invite you to my house to watch cp3 dominate ANY pg in the nba you choose. I have every single game on my DVR. He dominated the entire season. He was the best/ most efficient pg in the nba. LOOK AT THE #'s!! LOOK LOOK LOOK

The pg in second place is no where NEAR him...... LOOK with your own eyes..... quit ignoring it.... the nba coaches voted him best defensive pg in the nba. the media/coaches/ etc voted him the #1 pg in the nba..... thats the point of the ALL NBA teams....

#1 Pg on the all nba team
#1 PG on the all nba defensive team
#3 in the ENTIRE NBA in MVP voting..... behind ONLY LEBRON AND DURANT..... ignore all you want, the league and the people who eat, sleep, shit and breath the nba know he's the best PG.


NBA Players Stats 2011-2012 - NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats (http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/2/eff)



The dumbest fucking comment in this thread. Name 5 Pg's better then CP3..... even though vteckidd and others dont think he is #1, no fucking idiot on the face of the earth can name 5 point guards in the nba better then cp3 this year. go watch football.

Kid. I play basketball as I have for 13 years now. I think I know a lot more then you. You know so much man... its astounding... tell me how long it took you to google those facts? ? Lol

You watch while I play it.. stats arnt everything. A good pg doesn't make game winning shots or put up huge numbers. They lead a team to victory. He simple hasn't.

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lmk if you people need more proof that he is the best PG, not sure how you can still argue. When im wrong i admit it, do the same.

Hmm rondo..... damn a better pg... now can you Stfu and gtfo?

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[Jdm94Coupe]

Kid. I play basketball as I have for 13 years now. I think I know a lot more then you. You know so much man... its astounding... tell me how long it took you to google those facts? ? Lol

You watch while I play it.. stats arnt everything. A good pg doesn't make game winning shots or put up huge numbers. They lead a team to victory. He simple hasn't.

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i play basketball as well. whats your point? a good point guard also doesnt just get assists and do nothing else, ie play NO defense.... rondo.... easy to lead a team to victory with 4 hall of fame players on it. i play, watch, eat, and sleep basketball. idk what playing basketball has anything to do with rondo not being better then chris paul. hell look at what cp3 did against him this year..... h2h is what u look at.... rondo has nothing for cp3.... all that sagging off 6 feet from him like miami does is not needed when you have cp3.... he gets in his face and fucks him up EVERY time he plays his wack ass.... look it up.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

Kid. I play basketball as I have for 13 years now. I think I know a lot more then you.


You can meet me at metro fitness off of cleveland avenue. i play there mon-thursday after i get out of class at 12pm.....

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i play basketball as well. whats your point? a good point guard also doesnt just get assists and do nothing else, ie play NO defense.... rondo.... easy to lead a team to victory with 4 hall of fame players on it. i play, watch, eat, and sleep basketball. idk what playing basketball has anything to do with rondo not being better then chris paul. hell look at what cp3 did against him this year..... h2h is what u look at.... rondo has nothing for cp3.... all that sagging off 6 feet from him like miami does is not needed when you have cp3.... he gets in his face and fucks him up EVERY time he plays his wack ass.... look it up.....

4 hall of fame all stars that are washed up. With out rondo they would be like the lakers......out at home watching the other teams. Even if the Celtics beat the heat (which im sure they will) they will get their ass handed to them by the young and quick kc team. Idk why y'all are dick riding chris Paul anyways.. one man can't lead a team... obvious point... kobe bryant best player in the league.. (sitting at home)

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[Jdm94Coupe]

durant is better then kobe right now.

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durant is better then kobe right now.

Lmao ^ no player in the league can hang with kobe. After that im done with this thread...

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[Jdm94Coupe]

Lmao ^ no player in the league can hang with kobe. After that im done with this thread...

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no player can HANG with kobe? LMAO, yea u need to leave.

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no player can HANG with kobe? LMAO, yea u need to leave.

Oh im sorry how many rings does he have...? Name someone in the league with as many as he has don't worry ill wait... Ohh and name someone who has second highest scored points in a game other then kobe (81). No other player in the league is close to his skill level. A few close but close doesn't cut it. If he had a big three like the heat does they would be on top every night... wade, Bosch, and labron... and they still can't beat a few wore out hall of famers lol kobe did it with odom and fisher and gasol.... enough said....

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[Jdm94Coupe]

his time is up man. he is a legend, but everybody's time ends. i hope he dont end up like jordan playing with the wizards. his time is over.

[Vteckidd]

Durant is better than Kobe at this stage in their career probably, but that's comparing a 32 year old to a 23 year old.

I think it's no argument Durant and LBJ are at the top, followed closely by guys like cp3 rose love Wade melo d12 etc

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Durant is better than Kobe at this stage in their career probably, but that's comparing a 32 year old to a 23 year old.

I think it's no argument Durant and LBJ are at the top, followed closely by guys like cp3 rose love Wade melo d12 etc

That's a good argument. I will agree to that. Even at his age he would still pick Durant apart one on one. He's older but a lot wiser.

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[Vteckidd]

I don't think so, Kobe is 6'6'? Durant is 6'10 many say 6'11".

Kobe can't get around that or fade over that. Kobe is still capable of being at the top(almost won scoring title), but he's definetly lost a step hear and there

[Vteckidd]

My only problem with Kobe is his 75 shot attempts a game when he had bynum and Pau

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I don't think so, Kobe is 6'6'? Durant is 6'10 many say 6'11".

Kobe can't get around that or fade over that. Kobe is still capable of being at the top(almost won scoring title), but he's definetly lost a step hear and there

He could fade all over durant. Durant lacks skill and ability. He's trying to play like a pg when he should be playing like a pf. Kobe is deff a lot wiser like I said he would make durango look bad. Durant just looks good right now because he's in the spotlight at kc.

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[Vteckidd]

I think you don't know anything about basketball.

Durant is too skinny to be a power forward, he's set up to be a small forward, shooting guard with his length and quickness. He just happens to be 6'10"

Durant lacks ability and skill? He is the scoring champion over Kobe, Ans beat Kobe in the playoffs.

Give the man some respect

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I think you don't know anything about basketball.

Durant is too skinny to be a power forward, he's set up to be a small forward, shooting guard with his length and quickness. He just happens to be 6'10"

Durant lacks ability and skill? He is the scoring champion over Kobe, Ans beat Kobe in the playoffs.

Give the man some respect

Im also skinny but still played sf in high school. The ability to get position over the opposing player does not take size. I've bodied 6'10 ppl and im only 6'2 180. Kobe would murk Durant. Durant is good but not as good as kobe.. give Durant a few years... then maybe.

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Let me tell you something, you need to grow up and quit calling a grown ass man a kid. You EVIDENTLY do NOT watch the games, i will invite you to my house to watch cp3 dominate ANY pg in the nba you choose. I have every single game on my DVR. He dominated the entire season. He was the best/ most efficient pg in the nba. LOOK AT THE #'s!! LOOK LOOK LOOK

The pg in second place is no where NEAR him...... LOOK with your own eyes..... quit ignoring it.... the nba coaches voted him best defensive pg in the nba. the media/coaches/ etc voted him the #1 pg in the nba..... thats the point of the ALL NBA teams....

#1 Pg on the all nba team
#1 PG on the all nba defensive team
#3 in the ENTIRE NBA in MVP voting..... behind ONLY LEBRON AND DURANT..... ignore all you want, the league and the people who eat, sleep, shit and breath the nba know he's the best PG.


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The dumbest fucking comment in this thread. Name 5 Pg's better then CP3..... even though vteckidd and others dont think he is #1, no fucking idiot on the face of the earth can name 5 point guards in the nba better then cp3 this year. go watch football.


Your argument is this " if you dont agree with me its because you dont watch basketball"

you act like a kid, i call you a kid.

Parker, Rondo, Westbrook, Deron, Rose, Paul......... in no specific order...... can all make an argument for being the best pg in the nba. Youre offended by people thinking anyone is in the same league as Paul....................... on that list 2 are champions, 1 is a finals MVP, one is an MVP........ the other is about to play in the finals....




oh wait wait wait..... but one of them was 3rd in MVP voting..........




funny how you have so much confidence in the media selecting the best players.... yet you're in denial about Tebow being the only player in the history of football to win 2 maxwell awards............................. Tebow's stats dwarf his competition far worse than Paul. Unlike Paul...... nobodys stats are even remotely close to Tebows........

But i guess in that case... your wisdom trumps the media who "eat sleep breath and shit" football though right? why? because you are you.. and apparently you think your opinion holds some greater value than the next guy.

well..... news flash. it doesnt kid.

[Sinfix_15]

He could fade all over durant. Durant lacks skill and ability. He's trying to play like a pg when he should be playing like a pf. Kobe is deff a lot wiser like I said he would make durango look bad. Durant just looks good right now because he's in the spotlight at kc.

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absolute horse shit....... Durant is the future.... and apparently the future is now.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Your argument is this " if you dont agree with me its because you dont watch basketball"

you act like a kid, i call you a kid.

Parker, Rondo, Westbrook, Deron, Rose, Paul......... in no specific order...... can all make an argument for being the best pg in the nba.


Obviously you don't know how to read. We've already took westbrook off this list of best PG in the nba.... I will refresh your memory, this is westbrook against CP3 HEAD 2 HEAD this season. Just to show you what a dominating pg can do against someone not of their skill level. The only people you could REMOTELY argue as being a better POINT GUARD, not player, is deron williams OR parker, but if you want me to show you them head 2 head against cp3 i will.... and i would really advise against saying deron williams, he averages 4 turnovers a game... definitely not something to brag about(from my pg).... here is westbrook again. look and read closely...


1. Thunder 77..... clippers 92
westbrook had 9 points in 32 minutes.....shot 25% from the field (4/16)... 3 assists.... 5 TURNOVERS
chris paul .had 12 points in 36 minutes...shot 42% from the field (5/12).... 10 assists.... 2 TURNOVERS

If you have 9 points in 32 minutes, you probably should have more then 3 assists..... dont you think?

2. Thunder 98..... clippers 100
westbrook had 20 points in 37 minutes.... shot 21% from the field (3/14).... 1/5 3pt shots.... 7 assists.... 4 TURNOVERS
chris paul had 31 points in 37 minutes..... shot 55% from the field (11/20)... 2/4 3pt shots.... 4 assists.... 1 TURNOVER

Westbrook had 11 LESS points and shot 34% worse then paul. and finally had 3 more assists. (with the leading scorer in the nba on his team)

3. Thunder 114 ..... clippers 91
Westbrook had 19 points in 35 minutes..... shot 40% from the field (8/20)... 1/4 3pt shots ..... 4 assists.... 4 TURNOVERS
chris paul had 13 points in 32 minutes...... shot 25% from the field (3/12) ... 2/7 3pt shots...... 10 assists.... 3 TURNOVERS

Westbrook only had 6 more points and took 8 more shots from the field? and had 6 less assists.... horrible shooting game from paul, BUT 10 assists will help.

4. Thunder 100 .... clippers 112
Westbrook had 31 points in 38 minutes .... shot 50% from the field (13/26) .... 0/3 3pt shots.... 4 assists.... 6 TURNOVERS
Chris paul had 26 points in 37 minutes .... shot 75% from the field (12/16) .... 2/3 3 pt shots.... 14 assists.... 2 TURNOVERS

Westbrook shot 10 more shots and make 1 more shot then paul.... missed all 3 of his 3 point shots, while cp3 make 67% of his 3 point shots. also managing to drop 10 MORE assists the westbrook and winning the game with a team not having the best scorer in the nba and the 6th man of the year!!! You really would take westbrook over paul?

Westbrook has the leading scorer in the NBA and he let the clippers go 3/4 against them.
Westbrook averages 3.8 more points a game, BUT takes 4.4 more shots a game then Paul.
Westbrook shoots worse from the field, 3 point, AND free throw line.
Westbrook averages 5.5 assists with the best scorer in the nba right next to him. CP3 averages 9.1 with trash on his team.
Westbrook averages 3.6 turnovers, compared to pauls 2.1 ...... remember paul also has the ball in his hands more, because he has no domincant scorer.
Westbrook averages 1.7 steals to chris paul's 2.5.....
Westbrook is a better rebounder.... 1 more a game..... thats a lot of other stats to give up for my PG getting one more rebound....
Westbrook's efficiency is lower then pauls.... 20.5 to 24.5

Summary: Thats A HUGE difference from the #1 ranked PG to the #2 ranked...CP3=#1 and Westbrook ranked #2... bring up the rankings from the other PG's people are bringing up in this thread.

HEAD TO HEAD..... westbrook averaged 5 turnovers a game against paul..... paul averaged 2 turnovers a game. Imagine durant with paul as his PG.

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Obviously you don't know how to read. We've already took westbrook off this list of best PG in the nba.... I will refresh your memory, this is westbrook against CP3 HEAD 2 HEAD this season. Just to show you what a dominating pg can do against someone not of their skill level. The only people you could REMOTELY argue as being a better POINT GUARD, not player, is deron williams OR parker, but if you want me to show you them head 2 head against cp3 i will.... and i would really advise against saying deron williams, he averages 4 turnovers a game... definitely not something to brag about(from my pg).... here is westbrook again. look and read closely...


1. Thunder 77..... clippers 92
westbrook had 9 points in 32 minutes.....shot 25% from the field (4/16)... 3 assists.... 5 TURNOVERS
chris paul .had 12 points in 36 minutes...shot 42% from the field (5/12).... 10 assists.... 2 TURNOVERS

If you have 9 points in 32 minutes, you probably should have more then 3 assists..... dont you think?

2. Thunder 98..... clippers 100
westbrook had 20 points in 37 minutes.... shot 21% from the field (3/14).... 1/5 3pt shots.... 7 assists.... 4 TURNOVERS
chris paul had 31 points in 37 minutes..... shot 55% from the field (11/20)... 2/4 3pt shots.... 4 assists.... 1 TURNOVER

Westbrook had 11 LESS points and shot 34% worse then paul. and finally had 3 more assists. (with the leading scorer in the nba on his team)

3. Thunder 114 ..... clippers 91
Westbrook had 19 points in 35 minutes..... shot 40% from the field (8/20)... 1/4 3pt shots ..... 4 assists.... 4 TURNOVERS
chris paul had 13 points in 32 minutes...... shot 25% from the field (3/12) ... 2/7 3pt shots...... 10 assists.... 3 TURNOVERS

Westbrook only had 6 more points and took 8 more shots from the field? and had 6 less assists.... horrible shooting game from paul, BUT 10 assists will help.

4. Thunder 100 .... clippers 112
Westbrook had 31 points in 38 minutes .... shot 50% from the field (13/26) .... 0/3 3pt shots.... 4 assists.... 6 TURNOVERS
Chris paul had 26 points in 37 minutes .... shot 75% from the field (12/16) .... 2/3 3 pt shots.... 14 assists.... 2 TURNOVERS

Westbrook shot 10 more shots and make 1 more shot then paul.... missed all 3 of his 3 point shots, while cp3 make 67% of his 3 point shots. also managing to drop 10 MORE assists the westbrook and winning the game with a team not having the best scorer in the nba and the 6th man of the year!!! You really would take westbrook over paul?

Westbrook has the leading scorer in the NBA and he let the clippers go 3/4 against them.
Westbrook averages 3.8 more points a game, BUT takes 4.4 more shots a game then Paul.
Westbrook shoots worse from the field, 3 point, AND free throw line.
Westbrook averages 5.5 assists with the best scorer in the nba right next to him. CP3 averages 9.1 with trash on his team.
Westbrook averages 3.6 turnovers, compared to pauls 2.1 ...... remember paul also has the ball in his hands more, because he has no domincant scorer.
Westbrook averages 1.7 steals to chris paul's 2.5.....
Westbrook is a better rebounder.... 1 more a game..... thats a lot of other stats to give up for my PG getting one more rebound....
Westbrook's efficiency is lower then pauls.... 20.5 to 24.5

Summary: Thats A HUGE difference from the #1 ranked PG to the #2 ranked...CP3=#1 and Westbrook ranked #2... bring up the rankings from the other PG's people are bringing up in this thread.

HEAD TO HEAD..... westbrook averaged 5 turnovers a game against paul..... paul averaged 2 turnovers a game. Imagine durant with paul as his PG.

Wow again you know how to use google. He's not the best get over it.. its ok... like he said there's many pga just as good if not better.

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[Jdm94Coupe]

Wow again you know how to use google. He's not the best get over it.. its ok... like he said there's many pga just as good if not better.

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prove it. no i know how to watch all 4 games they played head to head. there is no pg better in the nba. so u HONESTLY think westbrook is better then chris paul, lmao. u are dumb as a box of rocks. and kobe better then durant right now, lmao. dumb as two box of rocks....

if you think westbrook is better.... look at how cp3 DOMINATED HIM THIS YEAR...... IGNORE ALL THE #'S IF U WANT, WATCH THE VIDEOS

Chris Paul 26pts-14ast vs OKC Thunder (01.30.2012) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyBfIC2heFs)

at 4:50 look how he did westbrook. westbrook is trash compared to cp3.... name somebody else so we can compare them.... westbrook is not quick enough for cp3, look how cp3 did him again on the very next play..... look how he did durant at the 6:00 mark and durant is 10" taller

NBA LA Clippers Vs Oklahoma City Thunder Highlights April 11, 2012 Game Recap - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNpzdF0qSMo)

[Vteckidd]

Im also skinny but still played sf in high school. The ability to get position over the opposing player does not take size. I've bodied 6'10 ppl and im only 6'2 180. Kobe would murk Durant. Durant is good but not as good as kobe.. give Durant a few years... then maybe.

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Dude, DURANT IS TOO SMALL(WEIGHT) TO POST UP LIKE A POWER FORWARD. GO look at the PF in the league, he would get muscled and man handled. He is a 6'10'' shooting guard , which is what makes him so good. He can drive and elevate over everyone, he shoots the ball like KG from the top peak of his jump and over his head making him impossible to block, he does have some back down moves against other guards/SF in the league, but he uses his quickness to get around anyone bigger than him.

Im 6' 200lbs and i play post all the time against bigger guys, but i use my footwork more than i use my size. But im also not 1/1000th as fast as Durant is.

How can you say NOT as good as kobe after he BEAT THE LAKERS AND WON THE SCORING TITLE OVER THE BLACK MAMBA?

Durant is better than Kobe is RIGHT NOW without a doubt. Durant was second in MVP Votes. Where was Kobe?

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prove it. no i know how to watch all 4 games they played head to head. there is no pg better in the nba. so u HONESTLY think westbrook is better then chris paul, lmao. u are dumb as a box of rocks. and kobe better then durant right now, lmao. dumb as two box of rocks....

if you think westbrook is better.... look at how cp3 DOMINATED HIM THIS YEAR...... IGNORE ALL THE #'S IF U WANT, WATCH THE VIDEOS

Chris Paul 26pts-14ast vs OKC Thunder (01.30.2012) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyBfIC2heFs)

at 4:50 look how he did westbrook. westbrook is trash compared to cp3.... name somebody else so we can compare them.... westbrook is not quick enough for cp3, look how cp3 did him again on the very next play..... look how he did durant at the 6:00 mark and durant is 10" taller

NBA LA Clippers Vs Oklahoma City Thunder Highlights April 11, 2012 Game Recap - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNpzdF0qSMo)

its a waste of time talking to your stupid fucking ass. You see what you want to see. Read what you want to read. You're objective when you want to be. You use stats when theyre in your favor and ignore them when theyre not. The same argument that you use for Chris Paul, you argue against for other players.

With Chris Paul you basically say " These are the stats, if you cant see them then you dont watch the game"
With other players you say "The stats arent real because i can see thru the stats to what is really happening, if you cant see behind the stats then you dont watch the game"

Chris Paul hasnt done shit, hasnt won shit.

He may be the best pg in the NBA.... he may be....................... but when the other PGs in the conversation are all fucking champions and MVPs and one guy hasnt done a mother fucking thing then my tie breaker goes to the people holding the hardware.

[Jdm94Coupe]

He may be the best pg in the NBA.... he may be....................... but when the other PGs in the conversation are all fucking champions and MVPs and one guy hasnt done a mother fucking thing then my tie breaker goes to the people holding the hardware.

now you get it! good shit..... we both agree he is the best and hasnt been blessed with hall of fame players on his roster. doesnt take a genius to see that.....

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now you get it! good shit..... we both agree he is the best and hasnt been blessed with hall of fame players on his roster. doesnt take a genius to see that.....

yep i get it. The stats matter when you want them to and dont matter when you dont want them to. Thats why trying to debate anything with you is pointless.

[Jdm94Coupe]

yep i get it. The stats matter when you want them to and dont matter when you dont want them to. Thats why trying to debate anything with you is pointless.

show me stats better then chris pauls from the point guard slot. efficiency is all the stats pulled together dumbass. he is #1 and nobody is close. should i show u the link again?

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show me stats better then chris pauls from the point guard slot. efficiency is all the stats pulled together dumbass. he is #1 and nobody is close. should i show u the link again?

But Kevin Love and Tebows stats dont matter. Because you say they dont.

[Vteckidd]

I mean technically they vote ALL NBA FIRST TEAM to establish guys who are the best at their position.

Position Player, Team (First Team Votes) Points
Forward LeBron James, Miami (118) 596
Forward Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City (117) 591
Center Dwight Howard, Orlando (75) 476
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers (104) 568
Guard Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers (74) 484

I dont agree with Howard being first team, i think i would have taken Bynum considering Howards injuries. But, i understand why.

[Vteckidd]

But Kevin Love and Tebows stats dont matter. Because you say they dont.

i think the main difference is i place more value on BIG MEN than PGs. To me, id take a Kevin Love any day of the week over a Parker,CP3, WB, etc. I just think big men are so dominating you have to take the good ones.

[Jdm94Coupe]

i think the main difference is i place more value on BIG MEN than PGs. To me, id take a Kevin Love any day of the week over a Parker,CP3, WB, etc. I just think big men are so dominating you have to take the good ones.

I think of it the other way around. All you need is a big man to defend their big men, you dont NEED a skilled big man. But thats just my opinion, i get your thinking though.

[Jdm94Coupe]

I mean technically they vote ALL NBA FIRST TEAM to establish guys who are the best at their position.

Position Player, Team (First Team Votes) Points
Forward LeBron James, Miami (118) 596
Forward Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City (117) 591
Center Dwight Howard, Orlando (75) 476
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers (104) 568
Guard Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers (74) 484

I dont agree with Howard being first team, i think i would have taken Bynum considering Howards injuries. But, i understand why.

Exactly. I'm not saying cp3 is the best in the nba. But he is the most impactful, dominating pg in the nba. With the ball in his hands, i feel better then anybody else from the pg slot. And with the pg position having the ball the majority of the game, thats a BIG deal.

BTW when they do these votes too, they factor what one position player did against the other player in the same position. example... what did bynum do against dwight and soo on..... but i think they gave him the nudge because his defense is much better then bynum, and bynum is lazy as hell a lot on defense.

[Jdm94Coupe]

But Kevin Love and Tebows stats dont matter. Because you say they dont.

Neither one of them is a better PG then chris paul. I don't get why we are talking about kevin love and tim tebow, we were discussing who is the best pg in the nba. keep tebow out of this, skip.

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show me stats better then chris pauls from the point guard slot. efficiency is all the stats pulled together dumbass. he is #1 and nobody is close. should i show u the link again?

Show me stats better than Tim Tebows from the quarterback slot. QB rating is all stats pulled together dumbass. He is #1 (all time) and nobody is close. Should i show you the link again?

[Sinfix_15]

Neither one of them is a better PG then chris paul. I don't get why we are talking about kevin love and tim tebow, we were discussing who is the best pg in the nba. keep tebow out of this, skip.

The point is how you chose and chose not to use statistics. Statistics that favor your argument are fair game, ones that dont are overruled by your supreme sporting authority.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Show me stats better than Tim Tebows from the quarterback slot. QB rating is all stats pulled together dumbass. He is #1 (all time) and nobody is close. Should i show you the link again?

College football? I don't watch college football.

[Jdm94Coupe]

The point is how you chose and chose not to use statistics. Statistics that favor your argument are fair game, ones that dont are overruled by your supreme sporting authority.

Show me pg stats better then pauls, and i will admit i am wrong.

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College football? I don't watch college football.

I figured as much when you attempted to discredit Tebow's accomplishments. But good to see you say it.

You've been beating a dead horse with statistics this entire thread. You act like statics are the end all and only thing that matters..... yet you're in favor of Paul being higher on the MVP list than Love.... when both are the best players on insignificant teams.... but Love has better stats.

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Show me pg stats better then pauls, and i will admit i am wrong.

It depends on what stats you hold most valuable. General consensus is that assists are what a PG is primarily judged on. Is passing to someone who scores more valuable than someone who just scores? I can name PGs who "just score" better than Chris Paul. Derrick Rose is an MVP, not 3rd in votes.... but an actual MVP. Those who "eat sleep breath and shit" basketball thought Derrick Rose was the best player in the NBA...... making him the best PG in the NBA by default.................

His assist numbers are the poorest of anyone mentioned in the PG debate..... But he is a better scorer, just like Westbrook and Deron. Tony Parker could be..... but his season stats are skewed by a lack of needing to score. Not to mention that Westbrook shares the ball with the league's scoring champion. If Westbrook played for the Hornets or Clippers he may score 40 a game.

[Sinfix_15]

time to eat....... while i assume you're preparing your wall of stat text and linking youtube videos and such.......

Here's a parting shot.

Los Angeles Clippers vs. New Orleans Hornets - Recap - March 22, 2012 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=320322003) Chris Paul out played by Jarret Jack on his first trip back to new orleans.

[Jdm94Coupe]

I figured as much when you attempted to discredit Tebow's accomplishments. But good to see you say it.

You've been beating a dead horse with statistics this entire thread. You act like statics are the end all and only thing that matters..... yet you're in favor of Paul being higher on the MVP list than Love.... when both are the best players on insignificant teams.... but Love has better stats.

Different positions, quit arguing your qb can play better then my wide receiver. Irrelevant, keep comments to same positions. I cant say kevin love and cp3 will ever play against each other individually.

Kevin love played 55 games. cp3 played 71 games this year.

[Jdm94Coupe]

time to eat....... while i assume you're preparing your wall of stat text and linking youtube videos and such.......

Here's a parting shot.

Los Angeles Clippers vs. New Orleans Hornets - Recap - March 22, 2012 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=320322003) Chris Paul out played by Jarret Jack on his first trip back to new orleans.

The Clippers were held to 11 points in the fourth quarter as they shot 4 of 23 from the field. Los Angeles also missed its last 19 3-point attempts.

If he had hall of fame players to pass to, im sure they wouldve had more then 11 points in the fourth. Or better yet, the nba leading scorer next to him. That might help some. BTW are you now saying jack is better then paul as well?

[Jdm94Coupe]

Kevin Love is the best PF in the nba. Chris paul is the best Pg in the nba. What is your point? Are you saying that kevin love is more important to his team? They dont make the playoffs with him or without him. Without chris paul the clippers dont make the playoffs, with him they go to the 2nd round. Whats your point?

NBA Players Stats 2011-2012 - NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats (http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/2/eff/1-1)
NBA Players Stats 2011-2012 - NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats (http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/5/eff/1-1)

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The Clippers were held to 11 points in the fourth quarter as they shot 4 of 23 from the field. Los Angeles also missed its last 19 3-point attempts.

If he had hall of fame players to pass to, im sure they wouldve had more then 11 points in the fourth. Or better yet, the nba leading scorer next to him. That might help some. BTW are you now saying jack is better then paul as well?

so you can make an excuse for only scoring 11 points in a quarter??? If Chris Paul is the god of all closers, how come he was held scoreless in the 4th quarter? No Jarret Jack is not better than Chris Paul..... but he out played him on that day, held him to zero points in the 4th quarter, matched his assists... matched his steals.... out scored him. So maybe Chris Paul isnt this infallible god of basketball and MAYBE................. JUST MAYBE................... we are worthy of at least comparing other players to him. Rose, Westbrook, Parker or Deron could have scored without having someone to pass to.

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Kevin Love is the best PF in the nba. Chris paul is the best Pg in the nba. What is your point? Are you saying that kevin love is more important to his team? They dont make the playoffs with him or without him. Without chris paul the clippers dont make the playoffs, with him they go to the 2nd round. Whats your point?

NBA Players Stats 2011-2012 - NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats (http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/2/eff/1-1)
NBA Players Stats 2011-2012 - NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats (http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/5/eff/1-1)

any elite pg would have an instant effect on any team in the NBA. this feat isnt exclusive to Chris Paul.

the Bulls were 33-49 before drafting Derrick Rose, theyve made the playoffs every season since.... were the #1 seed the last 2 seasons. Derrick Rose also won an MVP in the process.....


Tony Parker won a championship in his 2nd season. Maybe Tony Parker was the player that elevated the Spurs to being champions. Maybe Tony Parker is the driving force behind the spurs dynasty.

[Jdm94Coupe]

so you can make an excuse for only scoring 11 points in a quarter??? If Chris Paul is the god of all closers, how come he was held scoreless in the 4th quarter? No Jarret Jack is not better than Chris Paul..... but he out played him on that day, held him to zero points in the 4th quarter, matched his assists... matched his steals.... out scored him. So maybe Chris Paul isnt this infallible god of basketball and MAYBE................. JUST MAYBE................... we are worthy of at least comparing other players to him. Rose, Westbrook, Parker or Deron could have scored without having someone to pass to.

what happened the other 2 times they played? everybody has bad games, you know that. he is not the god of all closers, kobe has been games, durant has bad games. the point is he is the most consistently dominated pg in the nba. trust me, if you give chris paul a run for his $ one time, he will crush you the next time he plays you. with the exception being after when he was hurt in the 1st round of the playoffs.

im not saying he is a god, get real. but he does have the most game winning shots since 2007 until this day. and is in the top 5 in the nba EVERY single season in 4th quarter scoring. he is clutch.

[Jdm94Coupe]

i'll refresh your memory, since i know you didnt watch ANY of the 3 games against the hornets..... here are the last two. but im sure you will ignore them as well, btw 8 steals in a game does do something for being the best defensive pg in the nba, dont you think?

http://youtu.be/ZmemoHuwQ44
25points.10assists

http://youtu.be/QtjV0KaT7rY
33pts.13assists.8steals

[Jdm94Coupe]

and btw, just in case you forgot what a healthy cp3 against tony parker looks like, i will refresh your memory..... even though i kno u didnt watch him at new orleans either. this is fresh off tony parkers finals mvp (making him the best pg in the game, right?) doesnt look like it.....

Chris Paul 35 points highlights vs Spurs (game 3 of 2008 playoffs) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqtprNCcGNU)

just in case you say, well thats old... what did he do against the spurs this year when he was healthy? LOL at danny green trying to guard cp3....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl0UVg5CFEg

[NaNissan]

At the end of the day the numbers dont lie, this is JDM's point and its the truth basketball is a team sport. Lebron haters and Kobe fans still did not answer the ? if Lebron was on the Lakers instead of Kobe would they still be in the playoffs. If you cannot make your teamates look better than they are your just a stat player this is Kobe problem the dude is a chuck wagonist what was wrong with his team this year.
Jordan made everybody on his team look good Hodges, Paxton, Kerr, Armstrong and the list goes on, Lebron was on a team who the second best player was Mo Williams and yall wanted him to stay. Remember he is still a young man he did make a bad DECISION but he took the beating like a man he did not snitch like a bitch (Kobe) Shaq screw hoes too, and he did tell everybody he dont care about the kids making his sneakers in china for $0.02 and selling them here for a $150.00.

[quickdodge®]

People still (mis)use the word "hater?" Damn. Later, QD.

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what happened the other 2 times they played? everybody has bad games, you know that. he is not the god of all closers, kobe has been games, durant has bad games. the point is he is the most consistently dominated pg in the nba. trust me, if you give chris paul a run for his $ one time, he will crush you the next time he plays you. with the exception being after when he was hurt in the 1st round of the playoffs.

im not saying he is a god, get real. but he does have the most game winning shots since 2007 until this day. and is in the top 5 in the nba EVERY single season in 4th quarter scoring. he is clutch.

last time i checked Tony Parker and crew bent Chris Paul over their knee 4 games in a row. In game 4, the only game the clippers were mildly competitive, Chris Paul blew their chance at winning when he turned the ball over and then followed up by missing a short shot. Not as easy to close when the games actually matter.

[Jdm94Coupe]

last time i checked Tony Parker and crew bent Chris Paul over their knee 4 games in a row. In game 4, the only game the clippers were mildly competitive, Chris Paul blew their chance at winning when he turned the ball over and then followed up by missing a short shot. Not as easy to close when the games actually matter.

Obviously hurt. Even coach pop said so, he also said cp3 was the best pg in the nba. But i know you didnt watch any of the videos.

You must didnt see game 3? They are trash compared to the spurs, we all know that. CP3 on the spurs, they would still be playing now....... and im glad u put and crew in that statement....

[quickdodge®]

Looks like tonight we'll find out who OKC will be beating on. Later, QD.

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Obviously hurt. Even coach pop said so, he also said cp3 was the best pg in the nba. But i know you didnt watch any of the videos.

You must didnt see game 3? They are trash compared to the spurs, we all know that. CP3 on the spurs, they would still be playing now....... and im glad u put and crew in that statement....

you're right, you got me. I dont know anything about basketball. Ive never touched a basketball, played basketball or seen a basketball game. The only reason i even know any players names is from sitting in applebees and hearing people at the bar talk about sports. I'm a really good auditory learner, so just from catching bits and pieces of idle conversation, ive managed to stay semi up to date on the NBA since around 1995. Never watched a game though. Is Chris Paul a white guy?

[quickdodge®]

Looks like tonight we'll find out who OKC will be beating on. Later, QD.

Yep. Miami took charge late. Doesn't look good for the Celtics.

The West in 6. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

you're right, you got me. I dont know anything about basketball. Ive never touched a basketball, played basketball or seen a basketball game. The only reason i even know any players names is from sitting in applebees and hearing people at the bar talk about sports. I'm a really good auditory learner, so just from catching bits and pieces of idle conversation, ive managed to stay semi up to date on the NBA since around 1995. Never watched a game though. Is Chris Paul a white guy?

You only can judge what you see. TNT, ESPN, ABC, NBA TV if you are lucky.... i think you fail to realize how many games a year you miss by having the regular channels. But anyway, I've shown you what you need to see, you ignored it so theres nothing really to discuss anymore about this topic.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Yep. Miami took charge late. Doesn't look good for the Celtics.

The West in 6. Later, QD.

There will be a lot more defense from Miami compared to San Antonio. Don't you think wade and lebron will come with a fury/passion/intensity that we've never seen before? IE: Game 6 of the eastern conference finals. They are tired of people saying they can't win it all. This series will be GREAT!

[quickdodge®]

Don't you think wade and lebron will come with a fury/passion/intensity that we've never seen before?

No. Not that we've never seen before. I don't doubt that they will come with a little fury and intensity, but not with passion. I just don't think they have it. And, according to words flying around the NBA, this may be their last chance to get it. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

the only 2 guys that can go punch for punch with Lebron and Wade is WB and Durant. its gonna be a great series.

OKC in 6

[quickdodge®]

OKC in 6

Come on, Mike! Get with the times, man. The below quote, I made on May 23, lolol. I've been calling this for 3 weeks now, sir.



The West vs. Miami? The West in 6.

Later, QD.

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You only can judge what you see. TNT, ESPN, ABC, NBA TV if you are lucky.... i think you fail to realize how many games a year you miss by having the regular channels. But anyway, I've shown you what you need to see, you ignored it so theres nothing really to discuss anymore about this topic.

You're right again. You need to watch 2460 games a year to have an opinion on basketball.

The only thing you've shown me is that you're a jackass.

[quickdodge®]

Jdm94Coupe: this is a (fun) shot at you, man, lolol.

Statistically, since you're all about stats, the Thunder outweighs the Heat in 4 out of 6 main categories. Points per game, rebounds per game, field goal percentage and free throw percentage is all handled by the Thunder. The Heat has the edge in assist per game and three point percentage, although in that last category, they only have a .001% edge, lolol.

Doesn't look like this "dream team" may only be a dream.

Good night. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Jdm94Coupe: this is a (fun) shot at you, man, lolol.

Statistically, since you're all about stats, the Thunder outweighs the Heat in 4 out of 6 main categories. Points per game, rebounds per game, field goal percentage and free throw percentage is all handled by the Thunder. The Heat has the edge in assist per game and three point percentage, although in that last category, they only have a .001% edge, lolol.

Doesn't look like this "dream team" may only be a dream.

Good night. Later, QD.

Defense doesn't matter for anything right? Durant and Westbrook will get theirs. Lebron and Wade will get theirs. The keys for either team IMO, is harden and bosh..... Look at what happened April 4th in miami..... Wade can LOCK down harden, which btw a lot of close games okc plays, harden finishes them. Dont be shocked to see miami walk in okc and shut up all this noise. Just like ppl were talking about them losing to indiana(w/out bosh).... just like saying they were losing to boston(w/out bosh)..... they hear this and feel the disappointment from last year. All im saying is the series will not be okc walking over miami as everybody suspects. No need to scream at me, i like both teams so it doesnt matter to me.

In the playoffs this year.... miami allows 88ppg.... okc gives up 96 ppg....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is #2 in opponent fg % allowed....... okc is #8 in the nba in fg% allowed....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is averaging more rebounds a game then okc.....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is #1 in the nba in point differential, okc is # 2.....

this series will be good. end of story.

[Jdm94Coupe]

You're right again. You need to watch 2460 games a year to have an opinion on basketball.

The only thing you've shown me is that you're a jackass.

Grow up. The only thing you've shown me is when somebody proves you wrong, you ignore what you see. You need to watch more then 2 cp3 games to know what he is about, but like i said. I showed you the videos, stats, fact that the nba voted him #1 pg OFFENSIVELY and DEFENSIVELY. You think their are pg's better then him, but you have no leg to stand on. You have no shown me anything that says their is a PG better. He's head and shoulders away from EVERY pg in the nba statistically. He's not #1 in every category, but he's high in EVERYTHING, making him the most consistent pg in the nba. Look at the efficiency homie, no contest.

[doombastic]

I'm rooting for OKC.

[Western.]

This has been a truly entertaining debate. Im rooting for OKC as well.


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[E36slide]

Looks like it will be heat all the way.

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Grow up. The only thing you've shown me is when somebody proves you wrong, you ignore what you see. You need to watch more then 2 cp3 games to know what he is about, but like i said. I showed you the videos, stats, fact that the nba voted him #1 pg OFFENSIVELY and DEFENSIVELY. You think their are pg's better then him, but you have no leg to stand on. You have no shown me anything that says their is a PG better. He's head and shoulders away from EVERY pg in the nba statistically. He's not #1 in every category, but he's high in EVERYTHING, making him the most consistent pg in the nba. Look at the efficiency homie, no contest.

you havnt proven anyone wrong. Your OPINION is that anyone who doesnt share your OPINION is because they dont watch basketball. All you keep doing is repeating....

"if you dont agree with me, you dont watch basketball"

[quickdodge®]

All im saying is the series will not be okc walking over miami as everybody suspects.

"Everybody?" Care to correct this? I've been saying for three weeks that it will go to six games. How is that a walk over?


No need to scream at me, i like both teams so it doesnt matter to me.

Scream at you?


this series will be good. end of story.

I agree it will be a good one.

It'll just be a bit better for the winning team, aka Oklahoma City. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

you havnt proven anyone wrong. Your OPINION is that anyone who doesnt share your OPINION is because they dont watch basketball. All you keep doing is repeating....

"if you dont agree with me, you dont watch basketball"

FACTS have been given..... you confuse facts with opinions..... all that shit i typed and sent you was FACTS! Efficiency does not lie.

Here is another opinion of mine..... http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics

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Defense doesn't matter for anything right? Durant and Westbrook will get theirs. Lebron and Wade will get theirs. The keys for either team IMO, is harden and bosh..... Look at what happened April 4th in miami..... Wade can LOCK down harden, which btw a lot of close games okc plays, harden finishes them. Dont be shocked to see miami walk in okc and shut up all this noise. Just like ppl were talking about them losing to indiana(w/out bosh).... just like saying they were losing to boston(w/out bosh)..... they hear this and feel the disappointment from last year. All im saying is the series will not be okc walking over miami as everybody suspects. No need to scream at me, i like both teams so it doesnt matter to me.

In the playoffs this year.... miami allows 88ppg.... okc gives up 96 ppg....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is #2 in opponent fg % allowed....... okc is #8 in the nba in fg% allowed....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is averaging more rebounds a game then okc.....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is #1 in the nba in point differential, okc is # 2.....

this series will be good. end of story.

Ok, so when we're talking Chris Paul, regular season stats matter. Since ofcourse, Chris Paul doesnt have much experience in the playoffs or meaningful games since he's spent the majority of his career being the primary option for an insignificant team.

But now that we're talking about something other than Chris Paul, all of a sudden playoff stats carry more weight than the regular season.

OKC's playoff stats couldnt have anything to do with having to play the Mavericks, Lakers and Spurs could it? or that Miami had a gravy train run to the finals that they still struggled with?

You see what you want to see and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. For as much as you keep down talking me, the main thing we disagree on is that your opinion is an opinion. For some reason, you feel as if someone anointed you as the deciding say in basketball. What you think is not a fact. It's an opinion.

My opinion is this......

PG rising to the occasion in the playoffs, leading his team to the finals, winning the championship and being finals mvp > pg with the best regular season stats.

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FACTS have been given..... you confuse facts with opinions..... all that shit i typed and sent you was FACTS! Efficiency does not lie.

Here is another opinion of mine..... Hollinger's NBA Player Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics)

By your logic, BJ Symons is the greatest college QB in the history of football. Since stats are the only thing that matters...... not the significance of opponents, the game or the setting.... just stats. We cant take into account when and where the stats took place or how meaningful the game was... stats are stats and they tell everything.

Dear NFL, the greatest QB ever is playing for the Tampa Bay Storm arena football team.


oh.. and Xavier Omon was a better running back than Barry Sanders. Sure OKST's big 12 schedule was probably a little harder than Northwest Missouri State, but hey.... stats are stats.

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In the playoffs this year.... miami allows 88ppg.... okc gives up 96 ppg....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is #2 in opponent fg % allowed....... okc is #8 in the nba in fg% allowed....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is averaging more rebounds a game then okc.....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is #1 in the nba in point differential, okc is # 2.....

To add to this, dude:

Remember, Miami played New York (15th in scoring) and Indiana (8th) to start the series. Not exactly the cream of the crop. Oklahoma City, on the other hand had to go through Dallas (6th), the Lakers (5th) and the Spurs (2nd) in the same category. Miami barely exceeds the Thunder in rebounds and points allowed percentage. It's not like Miami, on paper, really outshines OKC at all.

Also remember, The Thunder had to go through the past 13 year's worth of NBA finalists to get here. Miami just three of the teams from the past 13 years. The Thunder played Dallas (champions last year out of 2 appearances), the Lakers (champions 5 times out of 7 appearances) and the Spurs (4 champions out of 4 appearances). They obviously had the tougher road to hoe, man. Later, QD.

[Jdm94Coupe]

By your logic, BJ Symons is the greatest college QB in the history of football. Since stats are the only thing that matters...... not the significance of opponents, the game or the setting.... just stats. We cant take into account when and where the stats took place or how meaningful the game was... stats are stats and they tell everything.

Dear NFL, the greatest QB ever is playing for the Tampa Bay Storm arena football team.


oh.. and Xavier Omon was a better running back than Barry Sanders. Sure OKST's big 12 schedule was probably a little harder than Northwest Missouri State, but hey.... stats are stats.

football is the last thing i wanna talk about. i hate it so bad its not even funny. way too slow of a game for me. you are 100% right about anything football related. no argument here.

[Jdm94Coupe]

To add to this, dude:

Remember, Miami played New York (15th in scoring) and Indiana (8th) to start the series. Not exactly the cream of the crop. Oklahoma City, on the other hand had to go through Dallas (6th), the Lakers (5th) and the Spurs (2nd) in the same category. Miami barely exceeds the Thunder in rebounds and points allowed percentage. It's not like Miami, on paper, really outshines OKC at all.

Also remember, The Thunder had to go through the past 13 year's worth of NBA finalists to get here. Miami just three of the teams from the past 13 years. The Thunder played Dallas (champions last year out of 2 appearances), the Lakers (champions 5 times out of 7 appearances) and the Spurs (4 champions out of 4 appearances). They obviously had the tougher road to hoe, man. Later, QD.

Kool, this will be a great series.

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You can't really base your facts on what team plays what team and how they did versus the other team. High ranked teams can still be beaten. Simple....

Kc will not be able to match up with the heat... Durant can't lock down labron.... even if he did they have wade and Bosch. The bench is what is going to make the difference for the teams. It will be a good series but Miami will end up pulling off the win.

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[quickdodge®]

^^^ Lolol.

I'll start and finish by saying that Kansas City doesn't even have a basketball team, much less representing in the Finals. That's enough to void your entire post. Later, QD.

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football is the last thing i wanna talk about. i hate it so bad its not even funny. way too slow of a game for me. you are 100% right about anything football related. no argument here.

its not about football, its about your method of argument and twisting of statistics to support your opinions that you are delusional enough to believe are legitimate facts.

in one post you use statistics one way, then in another you use them the opposite way.

On paper in the playoffs, STATISTICALLY the Miami Heat have had a more impressive trip to the finals. The stats cant show what the human eye can see and our brains can understand.......... OKC went thru an absolute gauntlet of championship caliber teams to make it to the finals.

If player A scores 19 points and has 9 assists vs the best team in the NBA, on the road in the NBA finals.
Player B scores 32 points and 14 assists vs the Wizards in the 3rd game of the season.

Which player had the better game??????

Stats are not the only deciding factor. Your opinion is just that.............. an opinion. You think your opinion is fact...... and that's because you're a delusional jackass.

[Sinfix_15]

You can't really base your facts on what team plays what team and how they did versus the other team. High ranked teams can still be beaten. Simple....

Kc will not be able to match up with the heat... Durant can't lock down labron.... even if he did they have wade and Bosch. The bench is what is going to make the difference for the teams. It will be a good series but Miami will end up pulling off the win.

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is this guy trolling?

[Sinfix_15]

To add to this, dude:

Remember, Miami played New York (15th in scoring) and Indiana (8th) to start the series. Not exactly the cream of the crop. Oklahoma City, on the other hand had to go through Dallas (6th), the Lakers (5th) and the Spurs (2nd) in the same category. Miami barely exceeds the Thunder in rebounds and points allowed percentage. It's not like Miami, on paper, really outshines OKC at all.

Also remember, The Thunder had to go through the past 13 year's worth of NBA finalists to get here. Miami just three of the teams from the past 13 years. The Thunder played Dallas (champions last year out of 2 appearances), the Lakers (champions 5 times out of 7 appearances) and the Spurs (4 champions out of 4 appearances). They obviously had the tougher road to hoe, man. Later, QD.

Stats are stats man. We went over this when we came to the conclusion that Chris Paul was the best PG in the history of the NBA.

it doesnt matter who you played, when you played them or what the stakes were..... accumulation of stats... all that matters.

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is this guy trolling?

I've posted atleast 10 times so hardly. I have more things to do with my time. Sorry I can't stop working on my cars to pull facts off google to keep up with you oh so brilliant sport fanatics. (Sarcasm)


Do you feel threatened by me? You seem to always try to call me out. If you would like to continue your dick ride be my guess.

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[Jdm94Coupe]

its not about football, its about your method of argument and twisting of statistics to support your opinions that you are delusional enough to believe are legitimate facts.

in one post you use statistics one way, then in another you use them the opposite way.

On paper in the playoffs, STATISTICALLY the Miami Heat have had a more impressive trip to the finals. The stats cant show what the human eye can see and our brains can understand.......... OKC went thru an absolute gauntlet of championship caliber teams to make it to the finals.

If player A scores 19 points and has 9 assists vs the best team in the NBA, on the road in the NBA finals.
Player B scores 32 points and 14 assists vs the Wizards in the 3rd game of the season.

Which player had the better game??????

Stats are not the only deciding factor. Your opinion is just that.............. an opinion. You think your opinion is fact...... and that's because you're a delusional jackass.

My opinion is not what I am talking about. You ignored the facts, simple as that. Me and vteckidd talked about you. when you are wrong, you do anything to take the topic away from what we are talking about..... ie: tebow and w/e else bullshit you brought in here. all the bullshit football talk

point is. chris paul is the best pg in the nba. period. all the people who cover the nba on a professional level (not you and me) voted and showed who the best was. including the coaches of the very pg's you say are better then cp3.

the facts are the nba first team. and the nba first team defense. that is not my opinion, you look stupid and you continue to run your shit talker about me and name calling. grow up.

[Sinfix_15]

I've posted atleast 10 times so hardly. I have more things to do with my time. Sorry I can't stop working on my cars to pull facts off google to keep up with you oh so brilliant sport fanatics. (Sarcasm)


Do you feel threatened by me? You seem to always try to call me out. If you would like to continue your dick ride be my guess.

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by any chance have you compared your cars to the brilliant sports fanatics who spend all day on google pulling up sports facts?

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by any chance have you compared your cars to the brilliant sports fanatics who spend all day on google pulling up sports facts?

Why would I care to compare my cars too anyone? That question was rhetorical and stupid.

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[Sinfix_15]

My opinion is not what I am talking about. You ignored the facts, simple as that. Me and vteckidd talked about you. when you are wrong, you do anything to take the topic away from what we are talking about..... ie: tebow and w/e else bullshit you brought in here. all the bullshit football talk

point is. chris paul is the best pg in the nba. period. all the people who cover the nba on a professional level (not you and me) voted and showed who the best was. including the coaches of the very pg's you say are better then cp3.

the facts are the nba first team. and the nba first team defense. that is not my opinion, you look stupid and you continue to run your shit talker about me and name calling. grow up.

Your opinions are not facts. The only reason i give other examples are to make a point about how you use statistics in your argument. You take the same exact stat and use it in opposite ways.

"Chris Paul is the NBA 1st team PG" < Fact.
"Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA" < Opinion.

Voting is not an infallible process of determining who is better, regardless of who cast the votes or how experienced they are. Even if Micheal Jordan thinks Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA, that is still just Jordan's opinion.

Las Vegas is filled with "experts who cover sports on a professional level (not you and me)" they vote and determine who is the better team in every contest that gets played every single year. I suppose they have a 100% ratio of deciding outcomes right?

Anything that involves votes, polls, or any method of letting people not involved in the contest decide who is better.... is not a fact.

Fact- Chris Paul is 10-17 in the playoffs with most of his losses being blowouts by Tony Parker himself.
Fact- Tony Parker avgs 1 less ppg than Paul and plays nearly 5 minutes less a game. Parker's point per minute avgs are higher.

Paul vs Parker in head to head in games that actually mattered this season.

Game 1 - Paul 10 assists, 5 turnovers, 6 points Loss.
Game 2 - Paul 5 assists, 8 turnovers, 10 points Loss.
Game 3 - Paul 11 assists, 3 turnovers, 12 points Loss.
Game 4 - Paul 11 assists, 2 turnovers, 23 points. Finally a good game from God's anointed PG..... but he turned the ball over in the potentially game winning situation. Loss.

Game 1 - Parker 11 assists, 4 turnovers, 7 points. Win.
Game 2 - Parker 5 assists, 3 turnovers, 22 points. Win.
Game 3 - Parker 10 assists, 3 turnovers, 23 points. Win.
Game 4 - Parker 5 assists, 6 turnovers, 17 points. Win.

Another thing about Parker, he plays up to his competition............ which Chris Paul and the Clippers offer very little of.

Chris Paul's statistics decrease in the playoffs from his season totals. Tony Parker's season stats increase in the playoffs.

Chris Paul's PPG went from 19.8 during the season to 17.6 in the playoffs and 12.5 in head to head meetings with Tony Parker.
Tony Parker's PPG went from 18.3 during the season to 20.1 in the playoffs, 22.2 vs their toughest competitor OKC and 24.5 in his last trip to the NBA Finals.

These statistics support my OPINION that GREAT players rise to the occasion during the real season. Tony Parker has been on the grand stage and he took home the trophy. When the going gets tough, Tony Parker's stats rise. The exact opposite for Chris Paul.

I could give a fuck less who wins regular season awards....... every player in the NBA plays the game for 1 reason......... and Tony Parker has 3 of them.

Chris Paul's stats, even though they are better on paper than the other PGs in the conversation..... theyre relative to the pack. He isnt blowing anyone away statistically. So with that said..................

I'll take the PG with the rings.

if you cant fucking understand that post then you need to call mediacom tell them to send you out an HD cable box while on your way to the eyedoctor, because you obviously arent seeing the games as clearly as i am.

[Sinfix_15]

Why would I care to compare my cars too anyone? That question was rhetorical and stupid.

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Point being....... it appears your tireless efforts have been fruitless. Perhaps you should partake in arguing with us on forums and browsing google as it seems those methods have yielded better results.

[Sinfix_15]

Reserved for "but Parker has HOFers like Tim Duncan on his team blah blah blah beep beep choo choo excuse train coming thru"

Need to finish cleaning my house and eat some food, then i'll be back to dry up the tears that are about to be spewing from JDM.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Reserved for "but Parker has HOFers like Tim Duncan on his team blah blah blah beep beep choo choo excuse train coming thru"

Need to finish cleaning my house and eat some food, then i'll be back to dry up the tears that are about to be spewing from JDM.

best pf to ever play the game has nothing to do with parker getting rings. i agree with you. makes sooo much sense.

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best pf to ever play the game has nothing to do with parker getting rings. i agree with you. makes sooo much sense.

Give me an explanation for the stats i provided. You've been a stat junky and proclaimed expert this entire thread so lets hear it. When you argue a point, the stats are concrete evidence and cannot be disputed.............

so dispute the stats i just laid forth. you have no answer because there is no answer.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ad0BiVok6yA/TW6bj9zJXuI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/gCk5trBgHlo/s1600/ChrisPaul.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oT-9q-0sMt4/T7_Rhna9lyI/AAAAAAAAFlw/YEaUOTwGH3U/Griffin-foul.png

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Point being....... it appears your tireless efforts have been fruitless. Perhaps you should partake in arguing with us on forums and browsing google as it seems those methods have yielded better results.

How so... I drive a m3 and a Miata?...... Im 23 and go to athens tech, and own my own business. You don't know anything about me. I sold a single cam 240 and ur your basing all your information off that. I don't have time to sit around looking up pointless information. Why do y'all give a fuck? You probably suck at sports, but you know everything about these said sports. I play basketball but I don't dick ride all the players stats. I mean I idolize some players but not enough to google their whole career.


Did you just learn all those words today? You think by throwing out such words makes you look cool? Your wasting your education on a forum congratulations sir.

If you would like too compare builds we can do that? But more so on the track ;)

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[Vteckidd]

I think OKC has more depth and is a much deeper team than Miami has faced. Lets be honest Boston was 8 minutes from going to the finals, OKC has a depth and scoring that Boston does not.

Ibaka and Perkins and Collison , we saw what they did to the Spurs/Lakers/Dallas bigs. WB will be all over Chalmers.

The key to he heat having any shot IMO is BOsh playing exceptional, 3pt shooters have to hit, and wade has to show up.

OKC IMO just has to play GOOD

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How so... I drive a m3 and a Miata?...... Im 23 and go to athens tech, and own my own business. You don't know anything about me. I sold a single cam 240 and ur your basing all your information off that. I don't have time to sit around looking up pointless information. Why do y'all give a fuck? You probably suck at sports, but you know everything about these said sports. I play basketball but I don't dick ride all the players stats. I mean I idolize some players but not enough to google their whole career.


Did you just learn all those words today? You think by throwing out such words makes you look cool? Your wasting your education on a forum congratulations sir.

If you would like too compare builds we can do that? But more so on the track ;)

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Hmmm.....

I seem to remember you going from this piece of shit
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n616/92mx5/2012-01-08_14-01-09_602.jpg
to a piece of shit 240, and then to this piece of shit
http://images.craigslist.org/5L95Ic5M13E63Gb3N9c5o35ecece1f2c216fe.jpg

and offering to trade it to every single person with a car ad up in the listings.

See a lot of trading going on...... feel free to post up something you "built".

check this video of you bouncing this piece of shit off the revlimiter to do this pathetic burn out. I could lay longer stripes than that rolling @ 50. If i did that in my 240, your neighbors would have called the fire department. other hilarious note is......... that video of you abusing your piece of shit car..... came from a for sale ad!!!! as if someone was gonna go "holyshit look at this kid beating the fuck out of this teenager built bmw!!!! i gotta have that motherfucker, where's my checkbook!!!!!".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=abqaOgvFPOk#t=0s


No need to get so worked up guy. You're taking it to a personal level that it wasnt at. I didnt even remember the 240 until you just mentioned it. Didnt even remember you until i just back tracked a few posts..... i generally comment on the content of the post and not to the poster.

Your comments about Durant and OKC are ridiculous.

[Sinfix_15]

I think OKC has more depth and is a much deeper team than Miami has faced. Lets be honest Boston was 8 minutes from going to the finals, OKC has a depth and scoring that Boston does not.

Ibaka and Perkins and Collison , we saw what they did to the Spurs/Lakers/Dallas bigs. WB will be all over Chalmers.

The key to he heat having any shot IMO is BOsh playing exceptional, 3pt shooters have to hit, and wade has to show up.

OKC IMO just has to play GOOD

Not to mention that Boston got shafted by the refs in game 2. Seems like the stripes spotted Miami a 2 game head start and Boston ran out of gas a few feet from the finish line.

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in other news, why cant you fucking mods leave people's shit alone?

[Jdm94Coupe]

Give me an explanation for the stats i provided. You've been a stat junky and proclaimed expert this entire thread so lets hear it. When you argue a point, the stats are concrete evidence and cannot be disputed.............

so dispute the stats i just laid forth. you have no answer because there is no answer.

provide stats for every game paul has played vs parker. then i will reply, dont pick and choose what games you wanna talk about and what games you dont. when you are talking h2h you take every game.... what you just told me is that the spurs are better then the hornets and clippers, obvious.

and what are those pics for? For someone throwing out the word kid all the time. you are acting REAL childish. are there no pics of tony parker with his hands on his head? whats the fucking point of that, u are ridiculous to a default.

[Scotsman]

in other news, why cant you fucking mods leave people's shit alone?i take blame for that............i found it humorous

[Jdm94Coupe]

go heat!

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provide stats for every game paul has played vs parker. then i will reply, dont pick and choose what games you wanna talk about and what games you dont. when you are talking h2h you take every game.... what you just told me is that the spurs are better then the hornets and clippers, obvious.

and what are those pics for? For someone throwing out the word kid all the time. you are acting REAL childish. are there no pics of tony parker with his hands on his head? whats the fucking point of that, u are ridiculous to a default.

Ok, but you argued Miami vs OKC and you didnt want to use every game... you just wanted playoff stats....

but now with Parker vs Paul, we cant just argue playoff stats?

How come Parker's numbers go up in big games and Paul's go down in big games? simple question.

Paul's playoff stats are worse than his season stats. Fact.
Parker's playoff stats are better than his season stats. Fact.

Im trying to play your game.

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i tried to find a picture of Chris Paul doing this.......... couldnt find any.
http://cache2.artprintimages.com/p/LRG/12/1284/HZRT000Z/art-print/tony-parker-2005-nba-championship-trophy-5.jpg

[Jdm94Coupe]

Ok, but you argued Miami vs OKC and you didnt want to use every game... you just wanted playoff stats....

but now with Parker vs Paul, we cant just argue playoff stats?

How come Parker's numbers go up in big games and Paul's go down in big games? simple question.

Paul's playoff stats are worse than his season stats. Fact.
Parker's playoff stats are better than his season stats. Fact.

Im trying to play your game.

Simple answer. This year, injury. The other years, paul dominated him. His team didnt, obviously. Dynasty vs a team with david west as their 2nd beat player. lol.

Let me remind you what I'm sure you don't remember..... and this is against the defending champion SPURS......

game 1...... CP3 on fire at Hornets vs. Spurs Playoffs Game 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcrdwHcyht8)
game 2......Chris Paul&#39;s 30 Points, 12 Assists Stop Spurs - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRfaPbBl1Js)
game 3......Chris Paul 35 points highlights vs Spurs (game 3 of 2008 playoffs) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqtprNCcGNU)
game 4..... Chris Paul&#39;s 23/6/5/3 in Game 4 vs Spurs, 2008 Playoffs (May 11, 2008) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUo4SbdtWI)

just a little of what im sure you forgot. but yea this year he was hurt in the memphis series. which im sure you didnt see either. im sure you had to be in bed, so you missed him lead the biggest comeback in playoff history.

[Jdm94Coupe]

so eli manning is better then dan marino because he has 2 rings and dan has zero?
OR
is eli manning's giants teams better then dan marino's teams?

so jordan isnt better then bill russell, right? when you talk about individual people being better then another, what their teams accomplish doesnt say which player is better. common sense.

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Simple answer. This year, injury. The other years, paul dominated him. His team didnt, obviously. Dynasty vs a team with david west as their 2nd beat player. lol.

Let me remind you what I'm sure you don't remember..... and this is against the defending champion SPURS......

game 1...... CP3 on fire at Hornets vs. Spurs Playoffs Game 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcrdwHcyht8)
game 2......Chris Paul's 30 Points, 12 Assists Stop Spurs - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRfaPbBl1Js)
game 3......Chris Paul 35 points highlights vs Spurs (game 3 of 2008 playoffs) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqtprNCcGNU)
game 4..... Chris Paul's 23/6/5/3 in Game 4 vs Spurs, 2008 Playoffs (May 11, 2008) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUo4SbdtWI)

just a little of what im sure you forgot. but yea this year he was hurt in the memphis series. which im sure you didnt see either. im sure you had to be in bed, so you missed him lead the biggest comeback in playoff history.

so 2008 proves more than this season???

Injuries are part of the game..... if you're on the floor, you're on the floor.

For their entire careers.....

Parker has scored 603 total points vs Chris Paul's 612 against each other. Seems pretty close for someone to be offended that anyone is even making a case for another PG being in Chris Paul's league. Not even taking into account that as i mentioned before..... Paul's stats suffer in games that matter and Parker's elevate. Parker also plays less minutes and has a lot more coasting time on his regular season stat sheet.

[Sinfix_15]

so eli manning is better then dan marino because he has 2 rings and dan has zero?
OR
is eli manning's giants teams better then dan marino's teams?

so jordan isnt better then bill russell, right? when you talk about individual people being better then another, what their teams accomplish doesnt say which player is better. common sense.

Dan Marino vs Eli Manning is a reasonable argument at this point i think. Especially since Eli still has a long career ahead of him.

Bill Russell and Jordan's stats are no where near as comparable as Parker and Paul.

It's not like im saying "one guy has 4 rings, the other guy has 3, the guy with 4 is better"

One guy with no rings stats are slightly better than a guy with 3 rings. The guy with 3 rings has better playoff stats than the guy with no rings.

I am making a valid argument..... and you're starting to reach and back peddle.


Tony Parker's stats are better in the playoffs than they are in the season.
Chris Paul's stats are worse in the playoffs than they are in the season.

Explain this.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Tony Parker's stats are better in the playoffs than they are in the season.
Chris Paul's stats are worse in the playoffs than they are in the season.

Explain this.

When you are a #1 seed you play # 8 seeds. When you are a #7 seed, you play #2 seed. Chris paul has never had the best pf in the history of the nba on his team. Never been a high seed. You are speaking about this seasons playoffs right? Because you are wrong about chris pauls playoff stats. dig a little deeper..... btw, points are not what makes a great pg. ask russell westbrook..... great player, trash as a pg

[Jdm94Coupe]

I am making a valid argument..... and you're starting to reach and back peddle.

You are not making a valid argument. I JUST told you, when you compare a single player to a single player, what their teams have accomplished has nothing to do with it. Did you not read? Kwame Brown has as many rings as tony parker, so fucking what. When CP3 is healthy and plays tony, he wears his ass out. look at the videos i posted up (that you didnt watch) look what he did against tony in tony parkers prime, fresh off a title. i could post all the stats proving you wrong about chris pauls playoff stats, but after doing all that before, i see you dont read it. so quit asking me to reply. you ignore what i type so there is no point.

go heat!

[Jdm94Coupe]

Parker has scored 603 total points vs Chris Paul's 612 against each other.

What about assists? What about steals? What about turnovers? Tony parker is a scoring PG. Thats it. You posting up their points proves my point, you are outscored by a PG that is 100% distribute first and score second. Post up their career stats complete. Watch the difference there.


BTW... this season.... chris paul is better then tony parker in points, rebounds, assists, steals, less turnovers a game, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds, field goals made (they both have the exact same attempts), 3pt made, attempted AND %, Free throws made, attempted AND %......

tony parker is better in field goal %...... .480 to .477

yea i'll take chris paul...... btw here is something else you will ignore, look who is #1 and who is #7 in efficiency....... Chris Paul NBA Comparison 2011-2012 - Chris Paul NBA Fantasy Basketball Stats (http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/los-angeles-clippers/players/chris-paul/comparison/12/12/173/399)

[E36slide]

Hmmm.....

I seem to remember you going from this piece of shit
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n616/92mx5/2012-01-08_14-01-09_602.jpg
to a piece of shit 240, and then to this piece of shit
http://images.craigslist.org/5L95Ic5M13E63Gb3N9c5o35ecece1f2c216fe.jpg

and offering to trade it to every single person with a car ad up in the listings.

See a lot of trading going on...... feel free to post up something you "built".

check this video of you bouncing this piece of shit off the revlimiter to do this pathetic burn out. I could lay longer stripes than that rolling @ 50. If i did that in my 240, your neighbors would have called the fire department. other hilarious note is......... that video of you abusing your piece of shit car..... came from a for sale ad!!!! as if someone was gonna go "holyshit look at this kid beating the fuck out of this teenager built bmw!!!! i gotta have that motherfucker, where's my checkbook!!!!!".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=abqaOgvFPOk#t=0s


No need to get so worked up guy. You're taking it to a personal level that it wasnt at. I didnt even remember the 240 until you just mentioned it. Didnt even remember you until i just back tracked a few posts..... i generally comment on the content of the post and not to the poster.

Your comments about Durant and OKC are ridiculous.

That bmw was a track car only... the Miata is a very nice car and everything on it is new. The 240 I bought to make a quick 2k off... I bought it for 2000 sold it for 4500. My Miata is selling for 7k Thursday. My m3 is a 95 that I daily and is in mint condition. I have a Tsi awd pushing 31psi care to run? The video was to demonstrate a 3.91lsd swap in a 325i (faster then a m3 and a lot cheaper) im one of the first people to ever do it. Your just a dick in general. I doubt you would be so cocky if this convo was face to face.

Let the dick ride commence.

If you care to meet me at the track in that s15 feel free to hit me up ;)


Feel free to hop off when your ass starts to hurt.

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[Sinfix_15]

When you are a #1 seed you play # 8 seeds. When you are a #7 seed, you play #2 seed. Chris paul has never had the best pf in the history of the nba on his team. Never been a high seed. You are speaking about this seasons playoffs right? Because you are wrong about chris pauls playoff stats. dig a little deeper..... btw, points are not what makes a great pg. ask russell westbrook..... great player, trash as a pg

i am arguing concrete facts.... the stats.... things that actually happened and cannot be disputed. You are arguing your emotional opinion based on what ifs. What i am saying can be confirmed. Your fantasy about how good Paul would be if he was drafted with Tim Duncan or played for a different team is just speculation.

Tony Parker's stats increase in the playoffs. His playoff stats are better than Chris Paul. Tony Parker is a champion and Chris Paul is not.

Those are facts.

[Jdm94Coupe]

i am arguing concrete facts.... the stats.... things that actually happened and cannot be disputed. You are arguing your emotional opinion based on what ifs. What i am saying can be confirmed. Your fantasy about how good Paul would be if he was drafted with Tim Duncan or played for a different team is just speculation.

Tony Parker's stats increase in the playoffs. His playoff stats are better than Chris Paul. Tony Parker is a champion and Chris Paul is not.

Those are facts.

post the stats that are better. chris outplayed tony parker this year man..... its all over the net. he dominated a memphis team superior to his own, took them to 7 games and helped his team get the win in game 7. injured.

show me stats of tony being better. show me the stats, not oh yea he got one more point or one less point. tony parker is a scoring pg, he isnt fucking with paul in any other category. did you not read what i sent you????

[Sinfix_15]

That bmw was a track car only... the Miata is a very nice car and everything on it is new. The 240 I bought to make a quick 2k off... I bought it for 2000 sold it for 4500. My Miata is selling for 7k Thursday. My m3 is a 95 that I daily and is in mint condition. I have a Tsi awd pushing 31psi care to run? The video was to demonstrate a 3.91lsd swap in a 325i (faster then a m3 and a lot cheaper) im one of the first people to ever do it. Your just a dick in general. I doubt you would be so cocky if this convo was face to face.

Let the dick ride commence.

If you care to meet me at the track in that s15 feel free to hit me up ;)


Feel free to hop off when your ass starts to hurt.

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So you have videos of a POS BMW that is a "track car only" doing shitty revlimiter bounce burnouts in a neighborhood street, but you dont have any information on this mysterious 10 second TSI............

Here you go making things personal again. Anything i say to you here i would say to your face. Nothing about a young kid who gets angry about forum comments threatens or intimidates me in the slightest. If i saw you get out of your car and walk into a grocery store, i wouldnt run over flag you down and say "hey thats a piece of a shit", but if you walked up to me and asked "what do you think about this car" which is exactly what youre doing when you post pictures and videos of it on a public forum, i would tell you same thing i say now. Calm down kid

[Sinfix_15]

post the stats that are better. chris outplayed tony parker this year man..... its all over the net. he dominated a memphis team superior to his own, took them to 7 games and helped his team get the win in game 7. injured.

show me stats of tony being better. show me the stats, not oh yea he got one more point or one less point. tony parker is a scoring pg, he isnt fucking with paul in any other category. did you not read what i sent you????

just gonna copy and paste this until you have an answer for it, since you clearly dont. Argument over.

Fact- Chris Paul is 10-17 in the playoffs with most of his losses being blowouts by Tony Parker himself.
Fact- Tony Parker avgs 1 less ppg than Paul and plays nearly 5 minutes less a game. Parker's point per minute avgs are higher.

Paul vs Parker in head to head in games that actually mattered this season.

Game 1 - Paul 10 assists, 5 turnovers, 6 points Loss.
Game 2 - Paul 5 assists, 8 turnovers, 10 points Loss.
Game 3 - Paul 11 assists, 3 turnovers, 12 points Loss.
Game 4 - Paul 11 assists, 2 turnovers, 23 points. Finally a good game from God's anointed PG..... but he turned the ball over in the potentially game winning situation. Loss.

Game 1 - Parker 11 assists, 4 turnovers, 7 points. Win.
Game 2 - Parker 5 assists, 3 turnovers, 22 points. Win.
Game 3 - Parker 10 assists, 3 turnovers, 23 points. Win.
Game 4 - Parker 5 assists, 6 turnovers, 17 points. Win.

Another thing about Parker, he plays up to his competition............ which Chris Paul and the Clippers offer very little of.

Chris Paul's statistics decrease in the playoffs from his season totals. Tony Parker's season stats increase in the playoffs.

Chris Paul's PPG went from 19.8 during the season to 17.6 in the playoffs and 12.5 in head to head meetings with Tony Parker.
Tony Parker's PPG went from 18.3 during the season to 20.1 in the playoffs, 22.2 vs their toughest competitor OKC and 24.5 in his last trip to the NBA Finals.

These statistics support my OPINION that GREAT players rise to the occasion during the real season. Tony Parker has been on the grand stage and he took home the trophy. When the going gets tough, Tony Parker's stats rise. The exact opposite for Chris Paul.

I could give a fuck less who wins regular season awards....... every player in the NBA plays the game for 1 reason......... and Tony Parker has 3 of them.

Chris Paul's stats, even though they are better on paper than the other PGs in the conversation..... theyre relative to the pack. He isnt blowing anyone away statistically. So with that said..................

I'll take the PG with the rings.

[Jdm94Coupe]

just gonna copy and paste this until you have an answer for it, since you clearly dont. Argument over.

Tony outplays paul in the playoffs?

Career playoff stats

chris paul ..... 20.5ppg, 10.1apg, 2.3spg, 5.2rpg, 82%ft, 34% 3pt, 47% fg
tony parker .. 18.9ppg, 5.1apg, 1spg, 3.2rpg, 72% ft, 30% 3pt, 46% fg

yea you are right, when the playoffs come, he completely outshines paul....

here are the stats from this years series between them two, when paul was hurt....

chris paul.... 12.8ppg, 9.3apg, 2.8spg, 4rpg, 100% ft, 33% 3pt, 37% fg
tony parker... 17.3ppg, 7.8apg, 1.2spg, 3.3rpg, 83%ft, 17% 3pt, 36% fg

looking at the % from this series, this tells me paul shot a considerable amount of times LESS then parker, and still has better stats.... what playoff stats were you looking at? and the regular season is NO CONTEST, dont forget that. wanna see those too?:no:

[Sinfix_15]

Tony outplays paul in the playoffs?

Career playoff stats

chris paul ..... 20.5ppg, 10.1apg, 2.3spg, 5.2rpg, 82%ft, 34% 3pt, 47% fg
tony parker .. 18.9ppg, 5.1apg, 1spg, 3.2rpg, 72% ft, 30% 3pt, 46% fg

yea you are right, when the playoffs come, he completely outshines paul....

here are the stats from this years series between them two, when paul was hurt....

chris paul.... 12.8ppg, 9.3apg, 2.8spg, 4rpg, 100% ft, 33% 3pt, 37% fg
tony parker... 17.3ppg, 7.8apg, 1.2spg, 3.3rpg, 83%ft, 17% 3pt, 36% fg

looking at the % from this series, this tells me paul shot a considerable amount of times LESS then parker, and still has better stats.... what playoff stats were you looking at? and the regular season is NO CONTEST, dont forget that. wanna see those too?:no:

If you're on the floor, you're on the floor. When you're "hurt", you're sitting on the bench in street clothes.

Tony Parker 4-0 in games that mattered vs Chris Paul this season. Chris Paul is 10-17 for his career in games that mattered. 8 of those losses are to Tony Parker. Tony Parker is a 3 time champion. Chris Paul has never been remotely close to even being considered a championship contender. If you're into fantasy basketball, go with Paul's stats. Parker is a champion.... in the real league, not the fantasy one.

[Jdm94Coupe]

team is better, duh.

not player vs player, like we are discussing. yea ill take the spurs over the hornets or the clippers. but never parker over paul, that would be stupid

so you clearly just ignored the stats again! yes i agree i would take the championship spurs too.

[Sinfix_15]

team is better, duh.

not player vs player, like we are discussing. yea ill take the spurs over the hornets or the clippers. but never parker over paul, that would be stupid

so you clearly just ignored the stats again! yes i agree i would take the championship spurs too.

Tony Parker is the leader of a dynasty. He has led his team to 3 championships. He was a finals MVP. In their last title run he avg'd 28 points a game in the playoffs. Tony Parker isnt Robert Horry.... he's not a 6th man, he's not a role player...... he is the leader of the Spurs.


Paul vs Parker in head to head in games that actually mattered this season.

Game 1 - Paul 10 assists, 5 turnovers, 6 points Loss.
Game 2 - Paul 5 assists, 8 turnovers, 10 points Loss.
Game 3 - Paul 11 assists, 3 turnovers, 12 points Loss.
Game 4 - Paul 11 assists, 2 turnovers, 23 points. Finally a good game from God's anointed PG..... but he turned the ball over in the potentially game winning situation. Loss.

Game 1 - Parker 11 assists, 4 turnovers, 7 points. Win.
Game 2 - Parker 5 assists, 3 turnovers, 22 points. Win.
Game 3 - Parker 10 assists, 3 turnovers, 23 points. Win.
Game 4 - Parker 5 assists, 6 turnovers, 17 points. Win.

Chris Paul's PPG went from 19.8 during the season to 17.6 in the playoffs and 12.5 in head to head meetings with Tony Parker.
Tony Parker's PPG went from 18.3 during the season to 20.1 in the playoffs, 22.2 vs their toughest competitor OKC and 24.5 in his last trip to the NBA Finals.

[Sinfix_15]

Done with this..... agree to disagree....

only thing i refuse to agree on is that you think your opinions are facts and are somehow more validated than others. Your opinion is your opinion.

[Jdm94Coupe]

i posted all the facts i needed to. but yea. we will agree to disagree....

so who is favored? miami or okc?

[Vteckidd]

I think the problem is you guys are arguing 2 different points that are both correct. Basketball isnt an individual sport its a team sport, probably more of a team sport than any other sport out there.

Chris Paul has played on some scrub teams, I dont even think the clippers are that good. CP3 was also injured for an entire season wasnt he? Despite all that he has put up some superstar numbers. Hes been voted all nba first team which is the NBA saying "hes the best all around talent at his position". ALL NBA is based on regular season numbers IIRC.

Now the second part is your "team" argument. There is a correlation between good players and good teams. YOu can totally say that someone like Parker has had the privledge of playing with a hall of famer or 2. Kobe had Shaq, etc etc etc. So there is an argument that can be made that we maybe we havent see just how good paul is because of the teams he has been on. I mean he went from the Hornets to the Clippers and im pretty sure he had career numbers this year despite nagging injuries.

[Sinfix_15]

i posted all the facts i needed to. but yea. we will agree to disagree....

so who is favored? miami or okc?

to my surprise..... Vegas has OKC favored. OKC is -175 to win the series and 5 point favorite in game 1.

NBA couldnt have asked for anything better, absolute perfect ratings scenario. 2 young talented teams, 1 beloved, 1 hated. Will be a star studded and highly satisfying NBA Finals...................




As long as the Heat lose.

[Sinfix_15]

I think the problem is you guys are arguing 2 different points that are both correct. Basketball isnt an individual sport its a team sport, probably more of a team sport than any other sport out there.

Chris Paul has played on some scrub teams, I dont even think the clippers are that good. CP3 was also injured for an entire season wasnt he? Despite all that he has put up some superstar numbers. Hes been voted all nba first team which is the NBA saying "hes the best all around talent at his position". ALL NBA is based on regular season numbers IIRC.

Now the second part is your "team" argument. There is a correlation between good players and good teams. YOu can totally say that someone like Parker has had the privledge of playing with a hall of famer or 2. Kobe had Shaq, etc etc etc. So there is an argument that can be made that we maybe we havent see just how good paul is because of the teams he has been on. I mean he went from the Hornets to the Clippers and im pretty sure he had career numbers this year despite nagging injuries.

If i had to summarize my argument, it would be simply that i put much greater value on what someone has done vs what someone has the potential to do.

No denying that Paul is a great talent and has the potential to do great things..... but i want to see him accomplish something before i start ranking him above hall of famers and world champions based on his regular season stat sheet.

[Vteckidd]

granted, but that is an opinion not everyone has to share. I agree with you, i think Parker and others get put at the back of the line for no reason. Parker and Duncan are probably the most ...........unpopular champions.

The counter argument is even if CP3 had more talent around him, theres no guarantee he will win a championship............example: Miami Heat. Time will tell where CP3 falls into historys greatest.

Another player who has a ton of stats and gets totally unbelievable media hype is Melo. I cant stand Melo, but people always put him at the top.

OKC will be favored because they have HC Advantage, most home teams get a +3 advantage anyway so Miami only being down -2 is about right.

[Sinfix_15]

The counter argument is even if CP3 had more talent around him, theres no guarantee he will win a championship............example: Miami Heat. Time will tell where CP3 falls into historys greatest.




Very true. Also, you cant put 4 players on the floor that avg'd 40 points a game and assume theyre now gonna score 160 points together. You cant assume chemistry is going to take place. You cant just plug Chris Paul's stats into the Spurs lineup. Maybe Tony Parker would have scored 50 points a game if he was on the Hornets.... Maybe Chris Paul would have completely thrown off the Spurs chemistry... these things we will never know and there's no way to prove either.

Chris Paul has a big man now too, Blake Griffin avg'd more ppg than Duncan this year. Duncan also played 28 minutes per game vs Blake Griffin's 36 minutes per game. When evaluating Spur's player statistics, you have to take into consideration how often the Spurs take their foot off the gas. The Spurs do what is needed to make the playoffs.

[E36slide]

So you have videos of a POS BMW that is a "track car only" doing shitty revlimiter bounce burnouts in a neighborhood street, but you dont have any information on this mysterious 10 second TSI............

Here you go making things personal again. Anything i say to you here i would say to your face. Nothing about a young kid who gets angry about forum comments threatens or intimidates me in the slightest. If i saw you get out of your car and walk into a grocery store, i wouldnt run over flag you down and say "hey thats a piece of a shit", but if you walked up to me and asked "what do you think about this car" which is exactly what youre doing when you post pictures and videos of it on a public forum, i would tell you same thing i say now. Calm down kid

Im 23 so hardly a kid. Served 4 years in the USMC so again hardly a kid. Call me a kid again and we will have problems.

Im sorry but my Miata is deff not a piece of shit. Its a daily driver and is very clean. We all have our own preferences I guess. I think anyone who jumps on the 240 scene drives pieces of shit. Oh you drive a s15, please tell me all the drifting you do.


I am calm "KID"

http://img.tapatalk.com/a6f869c0-37d6-560f.jpg
Pic of my m3 I guess its a piece of shit too

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[Vteckidd]

can we keep the talk to Basketball and not MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS car talk.

[E36slide]

can we keep the talk to Basketball and not MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS car talk.

Tell that fag... he seems to start shit with everyone on here.

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[Jdm94Coupe]

Chris Paul has played on some scrub teams, I dont even think the clippers are that good. CP3 was also injured for an entire season wasnt he? Despite all that he has put up some superstar numbers. Hes been voted all nba first team which is the NBA saying "hes the best all around talent at his position". ALL NBA is based on regular season numbers IIRC.

So there is an argument that can be made that we maybe we havent see just how good paul is because of the teams he has been on. I mean he went from the Hornets to the Clippers and im pretty sure he had career numbers this year despite nagging injuries.

Man I've watched every PG in the nba so closely since 2005 its crazy. There is a huge difference in playing for the lakers versus the hornets. I mean this, look at this year. Look at the swing the "clippers" made. They were the laughing stock of the nba forever. They almost won their division, over the lakers. They didnt just go from not making the playoffs to barely making it. They stormed into the playoff race and knocked out a VERY good memphis team. There is a reason david stern didnt want CP3 to go to the lakers. Even though he was the PG on the all nba team. This is not CLOSE to his best year, look at his stats from 2007-2010. DOMINATING, but nobody saw him until he exploded in the playoffs. He was #2 in the MVP vote behind kobe in 2007 if im mistaken. If not for the black mamba, who is widely considered in the top 10 to ever play the game, he would already have a MVP.

The ONLY reason i say nobody is in his category, is based solely on the fact that he does everything GREAT. Rondo is a passer and a floor general, but in general he can't shoot and doesnt play defense. Tony parker is a great scorer and a descent passer and great leader, but is not a floor general, plays no defense, and doesnt shoot the 3pt shot well. Westbrook is a dominate scorer and finisher, but doesnt run pick and roll well (unless taking a mid range shot), picks when he wants to play defense, and has no clue how to be a floor general and doesnt pass well, and turns the ball over all the time. derrick rose is a great leader and scorer, in spite of being so quick on offense, has no foot speed on defense, not a great passer or floor general. deron williams is great, but he is definitely playing with trash. he will be back in the argument when he goes somewhere decent. He's the one pg i think has a shittier team then cp3, lol. well him and steve nash....

here are pauls career stats.... look at the 07-08 season stats and the 08-09, so yea this year was not his best year.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_paul/career_stats.html

[Jdm94Coupe]

Lets take a closer look...... let's compare chris pauls best season to derrick rose mvp season... they both played 80+ games

Derrick Rose.... 25ppg, 7.7apg, 4.1rpg, 1spg, 3.43 to/game, 45%fg, 33% 3pt, 86% ft
Chris paul....... 23ppg, 11apg, 5.5rpg, 2.8spg, 2.5 to/game, 50%fg, 36% 3pt, 87% ft

if kobe wasnt in his "prime" during pauls season he would have a mvp as well. kobe also was averaging 28ppg then, but here is a small link to refresh memory. btw the season i posted above was the year AFTER he finished 2nd in the mvp race. this is just a comparison, nothing more....


NBA.com - Who’s The Man? (http://www.nba.com/features/player_rankings.html) ........ 2007-2008
NBA.com: Race to the MVP: Another point guard joins the mix (http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/rob_peterson/12/05/race.to.mvp/index.html) ...... 2008-2009

[NaNissan]

I think the series is going all the way have no clue who is going to win yet.

[Jdm94Coupe]

welcome back westbrook..... we didnt know where u had gone, now you're back and shooting ridiculous shots again, boy do they need cp3. lol..... (stirring up the pot)

[Vteckidd]

actually westbrook is playing REALLY well, 1 turnover , 7 -8 assists. 5-15 sucks your right but they have been makeable shots.

LEBRICK cant hit a jump shot

[Jdm94Coupe]

he needs to quit shooting jump shots, he likes to get into a jumpshot battle with durant, he would dominate him if he would take him off the dribble.... it would be nice to see him contest a durant layup too and quit letting him go directly to the rim. amazing.... some suspect calls in the 3rd quarter too, home court advantage though

[Vteckidd]

OKC clearly the more dominant team this game. If Miami didnt have that retarded jump shooting in the first half, this would be a 20+ point blowout

[Jdm94Coupe]

Those were wide open shots by design. None of them were contested, they went away from their first half game plan. A lot of suspect calls in the 3rd quarter too. But the game was over when the 4th started. Miami is best with dwayne wade in a pick and roll at the top of the key with shooters in both corners, preferably pulling the big men out of the paint. I think they need to ISO bosh more too, there is a clear advantage there.

[Vteckidd]

Spoelstra got out coached. Bosh off the bench?

[Jdm94Coupe]

Spoelstra got out coached. Bosh off the bench?

As usual, im so sick of spoelstra i could throw up. he always gets out coached.

[Vteckidd]

Most people think Miami is the best transition team in the league..............

24-4 POINTS IN TRANSITION FOR OKC

BOSH OFF THE BENCH?

WADE BEING IN LALA LAND SHOOTING JUMPERS

LBJ NOT GUARDING DURANT?

FYI LBJ is 3-24 in the last 2 games from outside the paint.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Why does he shoot jumpers, get durant in foul trouble. Then take advantage of whoever they put on you after. But game 1 is a feel out game, game 2 is a big deal. Adjustments will be made, be sure of that.

[Vteckidd]

They played each other 4 times in the regular season, i expected the heat to come out in kill mode, they didnt. They came out in "oh this is just a feel out game no big deal" . OKC didnt need to feel them out. OKC got it done.

I dont get the sense of non urgency from Miami.

[Jdm94Coupe]

no miami needed tofeel out okc. a series isnt a series until somebody wins on the road. game 1 is no big deal if miami wins game 2... then we all will be having a different convo. basketball is a series of games. one game tells us nothing. hell sometimes 2 games tells us nothing, look at SA. up 2-0 and didnt win another game, ppl like to over react when miami gets down, i dont, mainly because theyve been down the entire playoffs. they have shown us this year that they can come back from being down in a series.

[Vteckidd]

Miaim hasnt demonstrated they can do win from behind or lead from ahead.

last year they drop games to Dallas, this year they climb out of a hole against Indiana and Boston, but those teams are OKC.

I expected better.

[Jdm94Coupe]

i think last night came down to defense. you cant expect to win in the nba giving up 105pts. once the defense gets tighter, the series will change.