Does this piss you off?

[Browning151]

Pretty damn ridiculous if you ask me.



A Michigan woman who won a $1-million lottery jackpot last fall admits she's continued to collect $200 a month in public assistance. That's not all: The 24-year-old also says she deserves the financial aid because she's now saddled with expenses related to two houses.

Can you hear that bellowing and clanging of pitchforks? That's the sound of Michigan taxpayers' outrage.

The situation came to light this week after the Detroit-area Local 4 station
received a hot tip (http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Lottery-winner-still-using-Michigan-Bridge-card/-/1719314/9223492/-/yfwc6d/-/index.html)
: "Please do a story on lottery winners on welfare."

Local 4 did just that. First, it tracked Amanda Clayton using her public assistance card at a local snack market. Then, it tracked Clayton out to her home, where she was packing up a U-Haul for a move to her new place -- a home she had bought with cash from her lottery earnings, along with a new car.

Clayton, stopped in her driveway, barely flinched when the camera and microphone were thrust in her face. Nor did the single mother of two backpedal; she said she deserves the extra income just like any other taxpayer on public assistance.

"I thought that they would cut me off, but since they didn't, I thought maybe it was OK because I'm not working," Clayton told the reporter. "I feel that it's OK because, I mean, I have no income, and I have bills to pay. I have two houses."

Watch the video -- she also quibbles with the reporter who wonders how she can justify taking public aid after winning $1 million on the state's "Make Me Rich!" television show. After taking the lottery payment in a lump sum and paying taxes upfront, she walked away with much less. (Clayton's mother told the media her daughter pocketed about $500,000.)

It's not clear that Clayton is actually doing anything wrong, mind you. She does not have a job, and as a result, does not technically have any income.

But the idea of a lottery winner on welfare does not sit well with Michigan state Rep. Dale Zorn.

The Republican lawmaker has introduced legislation, now pending, that would trigger a state notification whenever a resident wins more than $1,000 in the lottery. He authored that legislation after it was discovered that another Michigan resident, Leroy Fick, continued drawing public assistance after winning a $2-million lottery jackpot in 2010.

The problem, Zorn told The Times on Wednesday, is that many lottery winners opt to take their earnings in a lump sum and pay their taxes upfront. That helps them to largely fly under the radar.


Under Zorn's pending legislation, lottery officials would be required to alert the state's Department of Human Services, which oversees public assistance, whenever a state resident wins more than $1,000.

The winner's name would then be checked against the state's roster of financial aid recipients. Winners would be required to undergo a reassessment to see if they still deserve aid after their financial windfall, he said.


"Public assistance is for those people who can no longer purchase food for their families, or pay their heating bills," Zorn told The Times. "It's not here to help those who win millions of dollars."

For her part, Clayton is no longer talking to the media. But her mother is.

"Until the bill's passed, apparently it's legal, and people need to leave her alone," Euline Clayton told (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120307/METRO/203070425/Lincoln-Park-woman-hits-lottery-1-million-still-accepts-food-stamps?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s)the Detroit News, referring to Zorn's bill. "I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. But it's nobody's business if she's not breaking the law."



http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-nn-na-lottery-winner-collects-welfare-20120307,0,3643323.story


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjEwuuBRBE

[Sammich]

that's fukin ignorant!!!!!!!!!! joker lookin bitch

[Brett]

And she in her mind actually thinks she deserves a free damn handout still, that just blows me away.

[bu villain]

It pisses me off. Kinda like how Romney only pays 14% on his income taxes. Both of them are following the law but it's still ridiculous.

[.blank cd]

It pisses me off. Kinda like how Romney only pays 14% on his income taxes. Both of them are following the law but it's still ridiculous.

This. One million times this.

[Brett]

People always trying to scam the system

[Sammich]

oh...they aren't trying, they obviously are.

[Browning151]

It pisses me off. Kinda like how Romney only pays 14% on his income taxes. Both of them are following the law but it's still ridiculous.


This. One million times this.

How about those that pay none, or are net tax consumers?

[Brett]

oh...they aren't trying, they obviously are.

TRUTH

[.blank cd]

How about those that pay none, or are net tax consumers?

There are ZERO people who are net tax consumers in the U.S., unless you can manage to escape paying sales tax on anything you buy ever. Nice try though.

[Brett]

This is exactly why we should go to the Flat Tax system, then everyone would have to pay their share, Illegally here or not, you'd have to pay it.

[Browning151]

There are ZERO people who are net tax consumers in the U.S., unless you can manage to escape paying sales tax on anything you buy ever. Nice try though.

lol, ok. I'm not going to turn this into a political argument about taxes. Point of the thread was I can't stand mooching assholes. There's no reason that female should receive a single penny of assistance from anyone.

[.blank cd]

lol, ok. I'm not going to turn this into a political argument about taxes. Point of the thread was I can't stand mooching assholes. There's no reason that female should receive a single penny of assistance from anyone.

Then why keep spreading false info?

[Browning151]

Then why keep spreading false info?

Go start a thread about taxes in the political section if you want to talk about that. I'm done with it here.

[-EnVus-]

Yep saw this the other day in the news wish i knew someone in her area that could kick her ass.....She will get whats coming to her in then end karma is a bitch!

[isa2o3]

Go start a thread about taxes in the political section if you want to talk about that. I'm done with it here.


I already did :cheers::cheers:

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?323189-Romney-Avoids-Taxes

[blaknoize]

It pisses me off. Kinda like how Romney only pays 14% on his income taxes. Both of them are following the law but it's still ridiculous.


This. One million times this.

Multi-this

[BanginJimmy]

It pisses me off. Kinda like how Romney only pays 14% on his income taxes. Both of them are following the law but it's still ridiculous.


This. One million times this.

And to prove how informed you are, you dont even know what type of taxes Romney pays.


I'll give you a hint, it isnt income taxes because he didnt have any earned income.

[Browning151]

And to prove how informed you are, you dont even know what type of taxes Romney pays.


I'll give you a hint, it isnt income taxes because he didnt have any earned income.

You might as well quit wasting your time.

[.blank cd]

Half true. It's capital gains tax, but it's still his income.

[blaknoize]

Half true. It's capital gains tax, but it's still his income.

Income nonetheless, which should incur the same tax we all incur in our respective states. Which apparently, we all already argued about.

[Browning151]

I guess I'll jump back in since it seems to be where this thread is headed.


Income nonetheless, which should incur the same tax we all incur in our respective states. Which apparently, we all already argued about.

So then why shouldn't everyone pay the same percent of tax, top to bottom?

[BanginJimmy]

Income nonetheless, which should incur the same tax we all incur in our respective states. Which apparently, we all already argued about.

Then I want the 0% income tax rate too.

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[EG_Ryder]

LOL @ "I thought it was okay because I have no income. I have bills to pay. I've got two houses now." Dumb cunt

[Doppelgänger]

People like her deserve a bullet to the head. Sorry. Her kids will grow up with the same ignorant mindset.

This story and the one of the illegal who will be collecting his $750k lottery winnings here in GA. What part of ILLEGAL do people not understand? For fuck's sake. What is the point of having laws if they can be challenged and over ruled? I hate people.

[RL...]

Damned if you do damned if you dont

[Vteckidd]

I'd like to pay 0% and be subsidized for being poor.

Kthxbai

[Vteckidd]

Lol did you really say sales tax? Everyone pays sales tax even Romney.

You want to compare income to capital gains, and income to sales tax? Are you retarded ......

[JennB]

There are ZERO people who are net tax consumers in the U.S., unless you can manage to escape paying sales tax on anything you buy ever. Nice try though.

I never post on here but I had to respond to this. You can easily not pay sales tax, live in a state that doesn't have sales tax and don't travel.



Yes, it is possible to pay no taxes or to be a tax consumer in the US.

First, not all states have sales tax. Second, not all states have income tax.

If you live in a state with no sales tax, you can have a low income, get EIC and have no taxable income at the state or federal level. The EIC can be up to and even over $5,000, which is more than you could possibly pay in mandatory Social Security and Medicare taxes. Those are taxes no one can get out of. If you make the absolute maximum salary to receive EIC, you will pay $3,845 in SS and Med taxes (at the regular, not currently reduced rates) but you'll receive EIC of $5,891. So you've paid no sales tax, have 0% effective tax rate, you paid SS and Med but you received EIC of more than what you paid. The bottom line is if you live in a state with no sales tax and have a low income, it's not that unusual to pay very little or no tax at all. Most very low income people are not homeowners, so they don't pay tax on their dwelling, not all states impose excise tax on vehicles. If you want to get technical, you can attribute the property tax on their home to them since they are indirectly paying it by paying rent, but it's not like a person with a $20K per year income is in a home with a high property tax bill.

If you live in a state with no income tax, it all depends on how much of your income you spend on taxable goods. Since most people with lower income spend a higher percentage of their pay on non-taxed housing expenses, they pay easily end up paying no or very little net taxes when all federal, state and local taxes are considered.




As for the actual topic at hand, the girl in this story is a moron. She's entitled trash. But... I'm not worried about it. That money will all be gone soon. A fool and his (her) money are easily parted. She'll pump some money back into businesses and be right back where she started.

[RL...]

Poor people paying taxes is hardly the issue. The issue is that people who have just come into wealth whether through inheritance or lottery winnings, shouldn't receive financial aid from the government. BUT, with that said in the grand scheme of things situations like this are so far and few it doesn't really matter.

The government needs to cut politicians' pay, keep taxes the same, reform welfare to get ppl to get off their ass and get a job, eliminate social security right now and switch over to personal retirement accounts that get aggregated and invested, and reform medicaid and medicare which are huge money pits.

[Austin?]

Obama voter!!!! All they do is take take take. There's no goods come out of Obama voter.
My name is Austin and I approve this ^^^^ comment.

[Vteckidd]

I never post on here but I had to respond to this. You can easily not pay sales tax, live in a state that doesn't have sales tax and don't travel.



Yes, it is possible to pay no taxes or to be a tax consumer in the US.

First, not all states have sales tax. Second, not all states have income tax.

If you live in a state with no sales tax, you can have a low income, get EIC and have no taxable income at the state or federal level. The EIC can be up to and even over $5,000, which is more than you could possibly pay in mandatory Social Security and Medicare taxes. Those are taxes no one can get out of. If you make the absolute maximum salary to receive EIC, you will pay $3,845 in SS and Med taxes (at the regular, not currently reduced rates) but you'll receive EIC of $5,891. So you've paid no sales tax, have 0% effective tax rate, you paid SS and Med but you received EIC of more than what you paid. The bottom line is if you live in a state with no sales tax and have a low income, it's not that unusual to pay very little or no tax at all. Most very low income people are not homeowners, so they don't pay tax on their dwelling, not all states impose excise tax on vehicles. If you want to get technical, you can attribute the property tax on their home to them since they are indirectly paying it by paying rent, but it's not like a person with a $20K per year income is in a home with a high property tax bill.

If you live in a state with no income tax, it all depends on how much of your income you spend on taxable goods. Since most people with lower income spend a higher percentage of their pay on non-taxed housing expenses, they pay easily end up paying no or very little net taxes when all federal, state and local taxes are considered.




As for the actual topic at hand, the girl in this story is a moron. She's entitled trash. But... I'm not worried about it. That money will all be gone soon. A fool and his (her) money are easily parted. She'll pump some money back into businesses and be right back where she started.

You should hear the stories from my friend who works at the IRS call center in Pittsburgh.

Thank you for backing all of us up and pr0ving what we say is true.

[Brett]

Obama voter!!!! All they do is take take take. There's no goods come out of Obama voter.
My name is Austin and I approve this ^^^^ comment.

TRUTH!!!

[Browning151]

Here's what you get for bragging about being a loser....

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpps/news/michigan-1m-lottery-winner-loses-food-stamps-benefits-dpgonc-20120308-fc_18432495



(NewsCore) - A Michigan woman won a $1 million lottery and continued to collect $200 a month in food stamps -- until she boasted about her situation to a local TV station and officials swooped in.

Amanda Clayton hit the jackpot in the "Make Me Rich!" lottery game show in October and, after electing to take a lump sum of $700,000 and allowing for taxes, was left with about $500,000, she told WDIV-TV.

The 24-year-old, who is unemployed, said she continued to receive public assistance.

"I thought that they would cut me off, but since they didn't, I thought, maybe, it was OK because I'm not working," Clayton said. "It's hard. I am struggling."

She added, "I feel that it's okay because I mean, I have no income and I have bills to pay. I have two houses."

But the Michigan Department of Human Services (DHS) said Wednesday that the woman was no longer receiving benefits and warned that people who continued to receive handouts in such circumstances may face criminal investigation and be required to pay back those benefits.

"Under DHS policy, a recipient of food assistance benefits must notify the state within 10 days of any asset or income change. DHS relies on clients being forthcoming about their actual financial status," DHS director Maura Corrigan said.

"Michigan DHS does not currently have the ability to verify a person's lottery winnings in determining benefit eligibility, but bills pending in the state legislature would require the Michigan Lottery to notify DHS of lottery winners.

"We fully support this proposed change. Our Office of Inspector General will continue to vigorously pursue any and all abuse and fraud in the welfare system."

A bill to stop lottery winners from continuing to cash in on food assistance has passed the state House and lawmakers are pushing for the Senate to approve it as well.

[Nismo]

hoes will be hoes is what I always say

[JennB]

You should hear the stories from my friend who works at the IRS call center in Pittsburgh.

Thank you for backing all of us up and pr0ving what we say is true.

You're welcome.

My years of working in public accounting were done at a real firm, not some tax shack... I hate those places. So I didn't work with the types of people you get at the place with the guy in the Statue of Liberty costume outside. But, I do remember a thing or two about general tax law :yes: :lmfao:


But yes, these cases are few and far between and if you're that stupid, I hope you'll eventually get caught and get what you deserve. If she took home $500K after all was said and done and has two houses and a new car, I doubt she has much left already. Good (unintentional) job at bringing up the issue and getting people riled up though. Now she's not getting anything and everyone will be in favor of a law to prevent it in the future.

[bu villain]

And to prove how informed you are, you dont even know what type of taxes Romney pays.


I'll give you a hint, it isnt income taxes because he didnt have any earned income.

Why so unnecessarily confrontational? I never said it was "earned income", I only said "income". Whether he has earned income or capital gains, they are both income. Form 1040 line 13 which is in the section titled "Income" says Capital Gains. I know this whole attacking semantics is fun and all but can we instead actually talk about laws that allow you to make roughly 21 million in a year and still only pay 14% of it in taxes?

Don't get me wrong, I am and will continue to use capital gains rates to pay less taxes on money that I literally didn't have to lift a finger to earn. But, just because it benefits me, doesn't mean I think it's a good policy for the country. Thank God Reagan isn't still president because he raised capital gains to 28%.

[RL...]

The thing about capital gain tax and why its lower rate is justified, is that it is income made from investments. Investments which have a certain amount of risk associated with it. So if you invest 1 million dollars and lose it all, you just a shit load of money. But if you turned that 1 million into 2 million, you get taxed at a lower rate than as regular income because with regular income you are guaranteed a certain amount, say $10 bucks an hour but capital gain is not guaranteed. Atleast that's how I see it.

[BanginJimmy]

Another way to justify the lower rate is that it is capital gains is money that was made by investing money that has already been taxed at the income tax rate.

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[Vteckidd]

MOST capital gains is money that has already been taxed at your income bracket fyi

[Browning151]

I had a feeling this thread was going to end up in the politics section after the tax debate started.

[-EnVus-]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/10/new-england-life-lottery_n_1336682.html?ref=business
Finally someone took them away...:taun::taun:

[bu villain]

I had a feeling this thread was going to end up in the politics section after the tax debate started.

Yep. Especially because the original story is about clear abuse of the system. After everyone nods their head to say "yes this is fucked up" we can move on to debate more interesting things.

[bu villain]

The thing about capital gain tax and why its lower rate is justified, is that it is income made from investments. Investments which have a certain amount of risk associated with it. So if you invest 1 million dollars and lose it all, you just a shit load of money. But if you turned that 1 million into 2 million, you get taxed at a lower rate than as regular income because with regular income you are guaranteed a certain amount, say $10 bucks an hour but capital gain is not guaranteed. Atleast that's how I see it.

The return you get is what should make up for the risk, not just the taxable rate. Capital investment is absolutely a good thing but when you have a capital gains rate that is lower than the earned income rate, you are signaling that capital investment is more important than labor. Further, after 2008, do you really feel we need to incentivize people to take more financial risks?

[bu villain]

Another way to justify the lower rate is that it is capital gains is money that was made by investing money that has already been taxed at the income tax rate.

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MOST capital gains is money that has already been taxed at your income bracket fyi

Sure, which is why only the "gains" are taxed, not the whole investment. If your stock prices rises from $100 to $120, you only pay taxes on the $20 gain. There is no double taxation going on.

[Vteckidd]

The return you get is what should make up for the risk, not just the taxable rate. Capital investment is absolutely a good thing but when you have a capital gains rate that is lower than the earned income rate, you are signaling that capital investment is more important than labor. Further, after 2008, do you really feel we need to incentivize people to take more financial risks?

its a circular argument. If you make Investment taxes the same as labor, then people wont invest. Why? You know if you work 40 hours a week you make XXXXX money. If you make investment the same taxable rate as income, why invest? In labor you have no risk of not getting paid, or "losing" everything unless you get fired.

We also have to agree that if your stock raises from $100-120 and you make $20, the economy has "grown" because the reason that stock rises is because the company is doing well.

usually.

[Vteckidd]

INvestment creates labor, they are intertwined. There are no jobs if there are no people investing capital in the economy.

[bu villain]

its a circular argument. If you make Investment taxes the same as labor, then people wont invest. Why? You know if you work 40 hours a week you make XXXXX money. If you make investment the same taxable rate as income, why invest? In labor you have no risk of not getting paid, or "losing" everything unless you get fired.

We also have to agree that if your stock raises from $100-120 and you make $20, the economy has "grown" because the reason that stock rises is because the company is doing well.

usually.

Most people don't invest because of the tax rate, they do it because they would rather have their money work for them instead of working for money. I only work because I don't have enough capital to live of my investments alone. If I had enough capital I would invest because it's a hell of a lot easier than my day job. That's true whether capital gains taxes are 15% or 30%. Sure you can work really hard at investing and make more money (with more risk) but even in this economic environment I can easily make 5% without hardly any time investment or risk.


INvestment creates labor, they are intertwined. There are no jobs if there are no people investing capital in the economy.

100% agree. I'm certainly not advocating getting rid of investing. I'm just saying maybe it should be on equal footing with labor tax wise. Plus lets not forget you have FICA and Medicare taxes that go along with working for a living which don't apply to investing.

[cyb593]

until this shit ends Capital Gains should not be touched:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitlement-america-head-household-making-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-family-mak


This is how people are living tax free. Government pays everything for them.

[.blank cd]

until this shit ends Capital Gains should not be touched:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitlement-america-head-household-making-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-family-mak


This is how people are living tax free. Government pays everything for them.Im so tired of seeing that inaccurate chart. For every one poor person using the system to their advantage, I could probably show you 10 rich people and businesses taking advantage of the system. Funny thing that is, when poor people take advantage of the system, its deplorable and criminal, but when Verizon, GE, and Mitt Romney do it, "they're just doing what the law allows".

Give me a break

[BanginJimmy]

Im so tired of seeing that inaccurate chart. For every one poor person using the system to their advantage, I could probably show you 10 rich people and businesses taking advantage of the system. Funny thing that is, when poor people take advantage of the system, its deplorable and criminal, but when Verizon, GE, and Mitt Romney do it, "they're just doing what the law allows".

Give me a break

This makes me laugh.


Since the posted chart is so inaccurate, where is an accurate one?

Please show me the 10 rich people that take advantage of the system to the tune of nearly 3x their annual income.

Verizon, GE and hundreds of other companies are called crony capitalists. They purchased lawmakers on both sides of the aisle for their exemptions.

Romney, like everyone else in his tax bracket, pays the tax rate for his income. If you want to claim he is gaming the system, prove it.

here is his taxes from 2010.

http://c4230422.r22.cf2.rackcdn.com/1040-2010.pdf

[-EnVus-]

Wow now she is dead but proves drug screens are needed....

ECORSE, Mich. -- Police say a Detroit-area woman who collected welfare benefits despite winning a $735,000 lottery prize has died of a possible drug overdose.

Ecorse police Sgt. Cornelius Herring confirmed that 25-year-old Amanda Clayton was found dead about 9 a.m. Saturday at a home in the community southwest of Detroit.

Relatives of Clayton did not immediately return a phone message for comment.

Clayton of Lincoln Park pleaded no contest to fraud in June and was sentenced to nine months' probation in July. Her attorney has said Clayton repaid about $5,500 in food aid and medical benefits.

Michigan's Department of Human Services says Clayton didn't inform the state about her pre-tax lottery windfall last year.
Amanda Clayton Dead: Lottery Winner Who Used Food Stamps Died Of Possible Drug Overdose (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/30/amanda-clayton-dead-dies-lottery-winner-food-stamps_n_1926586.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D213105)

[Sinfix_15]

And she in her mind actually thinks she deserves a free damn handout still, that just blows me away.

If Mitt Romney said that it would be racist.

[-EnVus-]

If Mitt Romney said that it would be racist.
Dude to point of bringing this old thread back was to show she is dead now lol

[Sinfix_15]

Dude to point of bringing this old thread back was to show she is dead now lol

Realized that after posting. Pretty hilarious............... and on the bright side.... 1 less person voting for Obama.

[Elbow]

Realized that after posting. Pretty hilarious............... and on the bright side.... 1 less person voting for Obama.

That's the problem with this country today, so many ignorant people truly think THESE are the people that vote for Obama.

$50 says you interview 1000 individuals like this and they may say they like Obama (we all know why) but don't actually vote. Never have never will.

[Sinfix_15]

That's the problem with this country today, so many ignorant people truly think THESE are the people that vote for Obama.

$50 says you interview 1000 individuals like this and they may say they like Obama (we all know why) but don't actually vote. Never have never will.

Not every Obama voter is a lazy good for nothing moron who feels entitled to free housing and food stamps, but every lazy good for nothing moron who feels entitled to free housing and food stamps will vote for Obama.

Kanye West will probably drive around project housing in his tour bus and give people rides to the voting booths.

[Elbow]

Not every Obama voter is a lazy good for nothing moron who feels entitled to free housing and food stamps, but every lazy good for nothing moron who feels entitled to free housing and food stamps will vote for Obama.

Kanye West will probably drive around project housing in his tour bus and give people rides to the voting booths.

If you're a lazy good for nothing moron who feels entitled to free housing and food stamps, why would they waste their valuable time to vote? Do you think they know about the election or feel a reason to get out and vote? No.

Your Kanye West statement is probably true though, that sorry low life probably does have a website purely showing BS reasons to vote for Obama. Personally like I've already said, I like Obama, not everything about him, but many things, but I also hate "lazy good for nothing morons who feel entitled to free housing and food stamps." I think these benefits are good for some, but overly abused by many who really don't need it.

[Sinfix_15]

If you're a lazy good for nothing moron who feels entitled to free housing and food stamps, why would they waste their valuable time to vote? Do you think they know about the election or feel a reason to get out and vote? No.

Your Kanye West statement is probably true though, that sorry low life probably does have a website purely showing BS reasons to vote for Obama. Personally like I've already said, I like Obama, not everything about him, but many things, but I also hate "lazy good for nothing morons who feel entitled to free housing and food stamps." I think these benefits are good for some, but overly abused by many who really don't need it.

Obama is to politics what the backstreet boys were to music. He's a pop culture experiment hand picked to appeal to an audience. He had no experience what so ever. He's never held a job his entire life. He's a professional politician. His resume is probably shorter than your resume. He looks the right way and sounds the right way to appeal to his audience. It doesnt matter that he's terrible. You can manufacture celebrity. Look at Snooki..... a fat ugly alcoholic moron who probably couldnt pass a GED test is now a multi million dollar TV personality. Snooki gets paid to give lectures. Obama isnt much different. His celebrity is manufactured. He has the look and the charisma, which is 10x more important than skills or intelligence for the facebook generation that will be voting for him. Obama should have never been president in the first place and he certainly shouldnt be president for 4 more years.

[Elbow]

Obama is to politics what the backstreet boys were to music. He's a pop culture experiment hand picked to appeal to an audience. He had no experience what so ever. He's never held a job his entire life. He's a professional politician. His resume is probably shorter than your resume. He looks the right way and sounds the right way to appeal to his audience. It doesnt matter that he's terrible. You can manufacture celebrity. Look at Snooki..... a fat ugly alcoholic moron who probably couldnt pass a GED test is now a multi million dollar TV personality. Snooki gets paid to give lectures. Obama isnt much different. His celebrity is manufactured. He has the look and the charisma, which is 10x more important than skills or intelligence for the facebook generation that will be voting for him. Obama should have never been president in the first place and he certainly shouldnt be president for 4 more years.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree with all of it.

Obviously getting into a debate about why you don't like Obama would be stupid considering there's 100 threads in here typically having some sort of debate. It has nothing to do with Obama that politics became the new "cool thing" and social networking helped all of that explode, it has also filled MANY heads with BS "statistics" on which way to swing. Have you ever read the I Will Not Vote for Obama Facebook page? So much LIES it's not even funny.

Obama has done good, whether that's just in my eyes I don't know, obviously NOBODY will please everyone, it's impossible, and I'm not looking for someone to JUST cater to my needs, as I see the bigger good is far more important, personally I think Obama has that to offer than any of the other candidates. Like I said though, he's not perfect, but have we ever seen perfect?

[Sinfix_15]

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree with all of it.

Obviously getting into a debate about why you don't like Obama would be stupid considering there's 100 threads in here typically having some sort of debate. It has nothing to do with Obama that politics became the new "cool thing" and social networking helped all of that explode, it has also filled MANY heads with BS "statistics" on which way to swing. Have you ever read the I Will Not Vote for Obama Facebook page? So much LIES it's not even funny.

Obama has done good, whether that's just in my eyes I don't know, obviously NOBODY will please everyone, it's impossible, and I'm not looking for someone to JUST cater to my needs, as I see the bigger good is far more important, personally I think Obama has that to offer than any of the other candidates. Like I said though, he's not perfect, but have we ever seen perfect?


Obama's resume.....

prior to being president - wrote a book about myself. great at reading speeches.

While being president - Highest spending ever. Highest debt ever. Credit downgrade.


I'm sorry, i cant even begin to understand anyone who thinks Obama has done a good job.

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I think a couple things are missing from that résumé

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Obama's resume.....

prior to being president - wrote a book about myself. great at reading speeches.

While being president - Highest spending ever. Highest debt ever. Credit downgrade.


I'm sorry, i cant even begin to understand anyone who thinks Obama has done a good job.

He has done numerous good, I for one like his insurance bill among other things.

I ask this truly without causing a debate, because I really don't know how I would, nor am I saying Obama did the best job, but how would you (theoretically speaking) have fixed the economy without raising the countries debt (which goes with spending).

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He has done numerous good, I for one like his insurance bill among other things.

I ask this truly without causing a debate, because I really don't know how I would, nor am I saying Obama did the best job, but how would you (theoretically speaking) have fixed the economy without raising the countries debt (which goes with spending).

Very easy question to answer..... and a good question that needs to be asked.

I would fix the economy by hiring someone with experience to do it for me. If my water pipes explode, i grab the phone book and look for a plumber. If the wires in my wall burn up, i hire an electrician. If i need new cabinets, i hire a carpenter.

If i'm looking for someone to manage the largest economy on the planet, i dont hire someone who has never had a job and made their living from book sales. Take a moment to actually research Obama's resume prior to being elected president. He should have never been elected. Him ever being our president to begin with is a black mark on our history as a nation. (no pun intended) Now that it's time to have another election, im in absolute shock that there's still a possibility that Obama remains our president. He shouldnt even be the democratic nominee.

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Very easy question to answer..... and a good question that needs to be asked.

I would fix the economy by hiring someone with experience to do it for me. If my water pipes explode, i grab the phone book and look for a plumber. If the wires in my wall burn up, i hire an electrician. If i need new cabinets, i hire a carpenter.

If i'm looking for someone to manage the largest economy on the planet, i dont hire someone who has never had a job and made their living from book sales. Take a moment to actually research Obama's resume prior to being elected president. He should have never been elected. Him ever being our president to begin with is a black mark on our history as a nation. (no pun intended) Now that it's time to have another election, im in absolute shock that there's still a possibility that Obama remains our president. He shouldnt even be the democratic nominee.

Why would Obama be the sole responsible party though? He doesn't make these decisions alone.

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Well I guess if you're voting solely on experience, Obama has been a president longer than Romney.

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Why would Obama be the sole responsible party though? He doesn't make these decisions alone.

Excuse train. I honestly do not understand the sympathy for Obama. It's nearly impossible to argue that he isnt absolutely terrible, yet people seem to acknowledge that he's absolutely terrible and still want to give him another shot.

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Well I guess if you're voting solely on experience, Obama has been a president longer than Romney.

Romney's resume would make Obama look like a cashier at Mcdonalds.




Edit, actually.... Obama being a cashier at Mcdonalds would improve his resume.... that would be his first real job.

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Excuse train. I honestly do not understand the sympathy for Obama. It's nearly impossible to argue that he isnt absolutely terrible, yet people seem to acknowledge that he's absolutely terrible and still want to give him another shot.

That's not an excuse that's a fact, I'd say the same thing if Romney was president. lol

I have reasons why I like Obama, I don't think he's terrible. There's no such thing as a perfect president, I'm not saying that because I like Obama but everyone has different opinions.

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Romney's resume would make Obama look like a cashier at Mcdonalds.Because running America like a venture capital organization is exactly what America needs! I wonder which state will be the first to get bought up and sold for a profit will be. Hopefully Texas.





Edit, actually.... Obama being a cashier at Mcdonalds would improve his resume.... that would be his first real job.How silly of me. I thought being a lawyer was a real job. My mistake. I better go let my attorney know he needs to get a real job.

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That's not an excuse that's a fact, I'd say the same thing if Romney was president. lol

I have reasons why I like Obama, I don't think he's terrible. There's no such thing as a perfect president, I'm not saying that because I like Obama but everyone has different opinions.

Your reasons to like Obama are probably from a misunderstanding. He didnt give you healthcare, he didnt lower the price of healthcare, he didnt improve healthcare.... he simply forced it on you.

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Because running America like a venture capital organization is exactly what America needs! I wonder which state will be the first to get bought up and sold for a profit will be. Hopefully Texas.




How silly of me. I thought being a lawyer was a real job. My mistake. I better go let my attorney know he needs to get a real job.

Obama was never a lawyer. He forfeited his license when questions came up about his education. He "volunteered" to give up his license though he would have been disbarred.

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Your reasons to like Obama are probably from a misunderstanding. He didnt give you healthcare, he didnt lower the price of healthcare, he didnt improve healthcare.... he simply forced it on you.

Well from my healthcare comment, it does allow me to get insurance now. Couldn't before. So...

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Well from my healthcare comment, it does allow me to get insurance now. Couldn't before. So...

really? you called around to private institutions and were denied health insurance?

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really? you called around to private institutions and were denied health insurance?

Yes, denied everywhere I applied that I could realistically afford, which was everywhere.

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Yes, denied everywhere I applied that I could realistically afford, which was everywhere.

So you had a job and were denied insurance by aflac?

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So you had a job and were denied insurance by aflac?

A job that offered insurance? No. Yes I was denied by EVERYONE. Just as many others have been due to "pre-existing" conditions, which is BS especially when those "pre-existing" conditions aren't real or not really an issue.

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red lobster is calling my name......................... feel free to post more Obama qualifications for president so i can get a good laugh and debunk them when i get back.

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Obama was never a lawyer. He forfeited his license when questions came up about his education. He "volunteered" to give up his license though he would have been disbarred.

False.

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False.

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oh wow, well... hard deny this evidence that you presented here. I guess i stand corrected then. I mean, with all of this documentation you provided here, im pretty lost on where to go next with my argument.

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oh wow, well... hard deny this evidence that you presented here. I guess i stand corrected then. I mean, with all of this documentation you provided here, im pretty lost on where to go next with my argument.

LOL

Did you expect differently?

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oh wow, well... hard deny this evidence that you presented here. I guess i stand corrected then. I mean, with all of this documentation you provided here, im pretty lost on where to go next with my argument.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's well known and documented that he was a lawyer, when you come in here and say he's not, the burden of proof lies on you.

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Here, I'll help you out a little


Obama was never a lawyer. He forfeited his license when questions came up about his education. He "volunteered" to give up his license though he would have been disbarred.

Unequivocally false.

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2005/12/07/14049/

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/05/11/sidley-austin-when-barack-met-michelle/

Here's even more. Don't you just hate being wrong? Lol

http://m.sidley.com/newsupdates/newsdetail.aspx?news=3804

I suppose being a professor isn't a real job either. You gonna tell me he wasn't a professor now? Lol

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Here, I'll help you out a little



Unequivocally false.

Obama '85 masters balancing act - The Daily Princetonian (http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2005/12/07/14049/)

Sidley Austin: When Barack Met Michelle - Law Blog - WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/05/11/sidley-austin-when-barack-met-michelle/)

I suppose being a professor isn't a real job either. You gonna tell me he wasn't a professor now? Lol

No, he wasnt a professor. He was a stand in teacher. Why would someone who had no qualifications be a professor? I can write a book about myself.

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Investigation Reveals Numerous Bogus Claims on Obama Resume « The Obama Hustle (http://theobamahustle.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/investigation-reveals-numerous-bogus-claims-on-obama-resume/)

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Investigation Reveals Numerous Bogus Claims on Obama Resume « The Obama Hustle (http://theobamahustle.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/investigation-reveals-numerous-bogus-claims-on-obama-resume/)

#doublefacepalm

Is this serious?

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Is this serious?

There's plenty of first hand testimony out there about Obama's college career.

Where should i get my news from? Al Sharpton?

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There's plenty of first hand testimony out there about Obama's college career....and yet you picked "the Obama hustle" Wordpress.

You could start with a properly vetted objective news agency, maybe.

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...and yet you picked "the Obama hustle" Wordpress.

You could start with a properly vetted objective news agency, maybe.

Obama's own professors speak out against him. He was a part time stand in teacher after getting out of college. He lost his bar license and was never a lawyer. He's never held a real job. Prior to being elected president, his biggest accomplishment was writing a book about himself. Obama has been a groomed politician from day 1. Because of his persona and charisma he was put into the place he is. He has no experience whatsoever.

He's a real life Manchurian Candidate made to accommodate the facebook generation.

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Obama's own professors speak out against him. He was a part time stand in teacher after getting out of college. He lost his bar license and was never a lawyer. He's never held a real job. Prior to being elected president, his biggest accomplishment was writing a book about himself. Obama has been a groomed politician from day 1. Because of his persona and charisma he was put into the place he is. He has no experience whatsoever.

He's a real life Manchurian Candidate made to accommodate the facebook generation.

And you've deduced this from....the Obama hustle?

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And you've deduced this from....the Obama hustle?

Liberal security blanket, question the source.

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all the crying about Romney's tax returns... lets see Obama's transcripts.

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Liberal security blanket, question the source.

LMAO. What does that even mean? Questioning the source is called critically thinking.

So back to your Manchurian candidate theory. What is the ultimate goal of your presidential conspiracy scenario?

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LMAO. What does that even mean? Questioning the source is called critically thinking.

So back to your Manchurian candidate theory. What is the ultimate goal of your presidential conspiracy scenario?

Your not questioning the argument presented by a source, youre simply writing off the argument because of the source. Pretty standard procedure from the left.


The goal? simple... to win, control.