Beware!!!!! American muscle inside!

[geoff]

I know I will probably get flamed like crazy because this isn't a civic or 240sx, but I would like to think that someone on here might actually appreciate a "real" car and the fact that this particular example is....well....a piece of art. Enjoy

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/397261_10150766313869465_736739464_12518163_726164 891_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/420713_10150766316509465_736739464_12518167_769836 828_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/418759_10150765509754465_736739464_12515807_157153 6745_n.jpg
:yes::camera::nx:

[Bacon]

What's a fake car?

Looks like your average WS6 all blacked out.

[geoff]

"Real" car = performance car built from the factory....i.e. supra, rx-7, gtr, sti, evo, corvette, ect.....not some econo box that someone puts thousands of dollars into just to run low 14's.

[Bacon]

I guess that answer will do.

[David88vert]

I looked all over the pictures in the first post, but couldn't find anything with any "muscle". Seemed that the car in those photos was missing the key thing that makes a car powerful and fast - the blue oval..... :-p

[-EnVus-]

I looked all over the pictures in the first post, but couldn't find anything with any "muscle". Seemed that the car in those photos was missing the key thing that makes a car powerful and fast - the blue oval..... :-p
Hell yea only in Merica !! +19

[Bacon]

Wait....is that car an automatic? Fail.

[geoff]

Oh yes....F.O.R.D( or as known internally, FixedOrRepairedDaily) i believe a for one to qualify as a "muscle" car it needs 350ci or more....:lmfao:

[geoff]

Wait....is that car an automatic? Fail.
So is a Gtr....just sayin....

[Bacon]

Oh yes....F.O.R.D( or as known internally, FixedOrRepairedDaily) i believe a for one to qualify as a "muscle" car it needs 350ci or more....:lmfao:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/13076447+w1500+ar1+st0/112_9805_01z+1998_saleen_s351+rear_three_quarter_v iew.jpg

Your argument is invalid.

[David88vert]

Oh yes....F.O.R.D( or as known internally, FixedOrRepairedDaily) i believe a for one to qualify as a "muscle" car it needs 350ci or more....:lmfao:

So, then your 350 would have no problem showing my little SC'ed 302 what muscle is? :-)
BTW - FORD stands for First On Race Day.....

[-EnVus-]

350ci or more....:lmfao:

350ci of Fail

[Potter]

Car looks mean!
People always say how much money is needed to make a honda fast, but when it comes down to it, how much did you pay for your Mustang, Evo, Corvette? A Lambo can beat a corvette, a Corvette can smoke a civic, another civic can smoke the civic that beat a Lambo. It all depends on the individual car. Personally if i have all the money in the world, I will still drive a 90s Honda any day of the week.

[Revmaynard]

I looked all over the pictures in the first post, but couldn't find anything with any "muscle". Seemed that the car in those photos was missing the key thing that makes a car powerful and fast - the blue oval..... :-p

The same could be said about your sig. ;)

[David88vert]

Wait....is that car an automatic? Fail.

Auto is faster.

[Bacon]

Auto is faster.

True but real muscle cars don't use automatics. :D

[David88vert]

Car looks mean!
People always say how much money is needed to make a honda fast, but when it comes down to it, how much did you pay for your Mustang, Evo, Corvette? A Lambo can beat a corvette, a Corvette can smoke a civic, another civic can smoke the civic that beat a Lambo. It all depends on the individual car. Personally if i have all the money in the world, I will still drive a 90s Honda any day of the week.

Then you seriously need to rethink your choice in cars. I'd be in a different car every day, and I'd never touch a Civic again if I had the ability to drive a Veyron everyday. You'd take a Civic over a Veyron? You haven't driven many cars.....

[David88vert]

The same could be said about your sig. ;)

My car has changed since the photo - it has the blue oval on the front again now, and always had it on the back hatch.

[Potter]

Then you seriously need to rethink your choice in cars. I'd be in a different car every day, and I'd never touch a Civic again if I had the ability to drive a Veyron everyday. You'd take a Civic over a Veyron? You haven't driven many cars.....

I dont remember ever saying that a civic would be the ONLY car in my garage bro.

[David88vert]

True but real muscle cars don't use automatics. :D

Come to SGMP for Lights Out, and tell all the racers that..... 95% of them are auto, and the lowest is running 11's in the 1/4, and the 2000+hp cars are all auto. tell them they don't have "muscle".... :-)

[geoff]

A saleen however nice is still only 281ci...


So, then your 350 would have no problem showing my little SC'ed 302 what muscle is? :-)
BTW - FORD stands for First On Race Day.....
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=221442&d=1265325995
In all fairness...i'm no longer 350ci....but yes....i think i can handle that. ;)


Auto is faster.

Very true....hence why top fuel dragsters are not standard shift.

[JDMJ]

Roll Tide.

[David88vert]

I dont remember ever saying that a civic would be the ONLY car in my garage bro.

You'd have time to drive a Civic? Not me....

[georgieboi]

Auto all day on a beast like that... Put a mean stall ftw on a roll or dig. Ws6 is one of my fav cars other then a zo6 will own both cars one day!

[David88vert]

A saleen however nice is still only 281ci...


http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=221442&d=1265325995
In all fairness...i'm no longer 350ci....but yes....i think i can handle that. ;)


Very true....hence why top fuel dragsters are not standard shift.

SC'ed 351W were available in the Saleens.

I think that you might need a bigger turbo to handle the current setup in my foxbody. And that's with the engine that is in it right now. I'm getting ready to change the bottom end, as mine is hurt right now. The blue oval provides a lot of power....... :-)

[Potter]

You'd have time to drive a Civic? Not me....

ANY DAY OF THE WEEK

[-EnVus-]

SC'ed 351W were available in the Saleens.

I think that you might need a bigger turbo to handle the current setup in my foxbody. And that's with the engine that is in it right now. I'm getting ready to change the bottom end, as mine is hurt right now. The blue oval provides a lot of power....... :-)
His engine sets on a stand not much weight to power ratio issues with that...

[geoff]

Yes you are right about the 351w...very powerful indeed. The snail on the motor now is more than enough....blew through 3 factory rear ends....ironically i had to go with a ford 9"lol

[David88vert]

His engine sets on a stand not much weight to power ratio issues with that...

That's ok, my new engine hasn't even been ordered yet. Still gathering cash up for it. So he's ahead of me on getting his new setup in.

Now, if he want's to make real power, we can still a FORD motor in his car.... :-p
(runs and hides).....

[David88vert]

Yes you are right about the 351w...very powerful indeed. The snail on the motor now is more than enough....blew through 3 factory rear ends....ironically i had to go with a ford 9"lol

And now you can go faster - you have Ford parts making the car faster already!
Just go ahead and stick a Ford motor in the car to go even faster! :-)

[-EnVus-]

And now you can go faster - you have Ford parts making the car faster already!
Just go ahead and stick a Ford motor in the car to go even faster! :-)
I won't knock chevy it will give you a hell of a race................To the scrap yard to be crushed

[David88vert]

I won't knock chevy it will give you a hell of a race................To the scrap yard to be crushed

Actually, they don't quit - my 64 still runs fine.....

[-EnVus-]

Actually, they don't quit - my 64 still runs fine.....
Thats cause it was built when chevy was good....They need to return to those days and stop shit like the Sonic LOL

[David88vert]

Geoff - I like your car - just was giving you a hard time (Ford vs Chevy)...

[-EnVus-]

Geoff - I like your car - just was giving you a hard time (Ford vs Chevy)...
x2 all in fun hell my Brother has a Nice 2002 WS6

[geoff]

Actually that set up is a bit old...about 2 years old. the old snail had to be upgraded as it kept running out of juice around 6400 rpms. Throw in a new cam and GTX4202R and I should be ready for the new season up at commerce.


http://www.romaniacracing.com/SiteResource/Site_107824/Customize/Image/Upcoming_Events2.png

My other car is powered by chevy as well......doubt you could step up to it

[geoff]

Geoff - I like your car - just was giving you a hard time (Ford vs Chevy)...
Thanks man. I love foxbodys as well...used to own one....but it gave me nightmares.....damn starter solenoid kept going out, catching on fire, and wouldnt kill the ignition lol....but hey i had bad luck.

[Sinfix_15]

"Real" car = performance car built from the factory....i.e. supra, rx-7, gtr, sti, evo, corvette, ect.....not some econo box that someone puts thousands of dollars into just to run low 14's.

these cars wouldnt be on that list?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVe_OEUTgy5x1zpzt9iMpq-a1X0u9Ez8mSpL7zvhIi7DJg_LGdfUTeAZsIGA
http://www.thesilvia.com/images/s14/stock_s2_s14silvia.jpg
http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/9521719/130_0711_04_z+super_street_staff_car_garage+1991_n issan_240sx_s13_silvia_front_view.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

Thanks man. I love foxbodys as well...used to own one....but it gave me nightmares.....damn starter solenoid kept going out, catching on fire, and wouldnt kill the ignition lol....but hey i had bad luck.

starter solenoid is why you keep a long screw driver in your car at all times.... and ford ignitions are garbage, gotta go push button.

[geoff]

unfortunately however clean and nice those cars are....no they would not be considered "real" cars as per the definition i gave earlier. unfortunately unless your car runs 12's these days....you would be hard pressed to keep up with any modern "performance" car.


starter solenoid is why you keep a long screw driver in your car at all times.... and ford ignitions are garbage, gotta go push button.

+1

[Sinfix_15]

True but real muscle cars don't use automatics. :D

bullshit.... all REAL muscle cars use automatics.

[-EnVus-]

bullshit.... all REAL muscle cars use automatics.
Many use Auto due to how difficult it can be to launch a manual. Then pull down the straight away shifting and keeping it straight on the track is another feat.

[Sinfix_15]

unfortunately however clean and nice those cars are....no they would not be considered "real" cars as per the definition i gave earlier. unfortunately unless your car runs 12's these days....you would be hard pressed to keep up with any modern "performance" car.


+1

stock Silvia is only .6 seconds slower 0-60 than the "real muscle car" ws6 you posted. Not bad considering one of them is a 2 liter.

[Sinfix_15]

Many use Auto due to how difficult it can be to launch a manual. Then pull down the straight away shifting and keeping it straight on the track is another feat.

There's many other reasons to use auto.

[geoff]

stock Silvia is only .6 seconds slower 0-60 than the "real muscle car" ws6 you posted. Not bad considering one of them is a 2 liter.
Yes impressive and very true statement....yet realistically it take a lot to make up that .6

[-EnVus-]

Sinfix ive never seen someone take a stock 240 or silvia to the track and brag about it....American Muscle is what legends are made of.

[boostedb16]

Oh yes....F.O.R.D( or as known internally, FixedOrRepairedDaily) i believe a for one to qualify as a "muscle" car it needs 350ci or more....:lmfao:
F-fucked
O-over
R-rebuilt
D-dodge

P-poor
O-old
N-nuckel head
T-thinks
I-its
A-a
C-cadilac

lol.

[geoff]

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/yankz12603/Girls%20and%20Cars/10300520238bwr2oy.jpg
'nuff said....:yes:

[boostedb16]

while i am at it

C-cracked
H-head
E-every
V-valve
R-rattles
O-oil
L-leaks
E-every
T-time

[Sinfix_15]

Sinfix ive never seen someone take a stock 240 or silvia to the track and brag about it....American Muscle is what legends are made of.

Stock...... 90% of american "muscle cars" were way more bark than bite. The imports we compare modern american sports cars to are out dated by over a decade now. A stock Silvia would out run probably every single production muscle car from the 60s-70s-80s and most of the 90s. A 454ss Chevelle is a mid 15 second car on a good day. 90s Mustangs (sn95s are the ones im talking about, not foxbodies) were some of the slowest cars on the road. Your avg fullsize work truck would beat a mustang from light to light.

PreLS1 chevys were nothing to write home about either.

[-EnVus-]

Stock...... 90% of american "muscle cars" were way more bark than bite. The imports we compare modern american sports cars to are out dated by over a decade now. A stock Silvia would out run probably every single production muscle car from the 60s-70s-80s and most of the 90s. A 454ss Chevelle is a mid 15 second car on a good day. 90s Mustangs (sn95s are the ones im talking about, not foxbodies) were some of the slowest cars on the road. Your avg fullsize work truck would beat a mustang from light to light.
You actually just compared a Silvia to 60's-80's Muscle cars ? That is like comparing a Ipod with a Cassette tape.
A stock 5.0 would ruin a Stock silvia owners worst nightmare.

[geoff]

Stock...... 90% of american "muscle cars" were way more bark than bite. The imports we compare modern american sports cars to are out dated by over a decade now. A stock Silvia would out run probably every single production muscle car from the 60s-70s-80s and most of the 90s. A 454ss Chevelle is a mid 15 second car on a good day. 90s Mustangs were some of the slowest cars on the road. Your avg fullsize work truck would beat a mustang from light to light.

I would very much beg to differ....think of the tire quality of the classic muscle/pony cars...you put crap tires on any car and watch it go nowhere. Also, my $3300 trans am ( when purchased stock with an axle back exhaust ) ran a 13.7@ 103mph...not bad for a 16 year old car at the time. I would love to see any stock silvia do that.....

[Sinfix_15]

You actually just compared a Silvia to 60's-80's Muscle cars ? That is like comparing a Ipod with a Cassette tape.

we're talking muscle cars vs imports.... the only muscle cars that are "in another league" apart from traditional import sports cars are late 2000s. All the import kingpins went under in the late 90s.

[gerardojdm]

Love the car, but not digging the wheels at all. Throw some
C5 Z06 wheels and it'll look sick.

[Sinfix_15]

I would very much beg to differ....think of the tire quality of the classic muscle/pony cars...you put crap tires on any car and watch it go nowhere. Also, my $3300 trans am ( when purchased stock with an axle back exhaust ) ran a 13.7@ 103mph...not bad for a 16 year old car at the time. I would love to see any stock silvia do that.....

Not arguing the greatness of the LS1..... compare any stock non ls1 chevy to your top shelf import sports car from the 90s.

[geoff]

PreLS1 chevys were nothing to write home about either.
LT1: 285hp & 335tq-high 13-low 14 1/4mile times stock. ( 50 year old technology...also powers my car...)
LT4:300hp &340 tq-mid to low 13s 1/4 mile.
LT5: 375-405hp& 370-385tq- mid to high 12s 1/4 mile stock.

Now...you were saying.....

[CHADbee]

Nice car, cant ever go wrong with a black WS6.


Personally if i have all the money in the world, I will still drive a 90s Honda any day of the week.
LOL!!! You must have not experienced any high hp supercars.


So is a Gtr....just sayin....
It is not an automatic. It is a manual with paddle shifters and no clutch pedal.

[Sinfix_15]

LT1: 285hp & 335tq-high 13-low 14 1/4mile times stock. ( 50 year old technology...also powers my car...)
LT4:300hp &340 tq-mid to low 13s 1/4 mile.
LT5: 375-405hp& 370-385tq- mid to high 12s 1/4 mile stock.

Now...you were saying.....

Callin bullshit on a 13 second stock lt1.

You wouldnt get out of the 14s on slicks with a stock lt1 camaro.

[geoff]

Not arguing the greatness of the LS1..... compare any stock non ls1 chevy to your top shelf import sports car from the 90s.

Just posted examples of the LT1/4/5 all were from 92-97.
Also, the LS1 made its debut in 97...so....show me a stock 90's import that compares......

[Sinfix_15]

A stock lt1 camaro might run a 13.9 in Denver Colorado on slicks with John Force driving it with a 15mph wind gust at his back.

[Sinfix_15]

Just posted examples of the LT1/4/5 all were from 92-97.
Also, the LS1 made its debut in 97...so....show me a stock 90's import that compares......

http://www.modifiedcars.com/pix/cars_large/29982_140163.jpg

[geoff]

Callin bullshit on a 13 second stock lt1.

You wouldnt get out of the 14s on slicks with a stock lt1 camaro.


Those are facts my friend. I personally ran a 13.7@103 with a 94 trans am 6speed powered by an LT1. Car was bone stock with just an axle back flowmaster and drop in k&n filter.You underestimate greatly my friend

[-EnVus-]

Nice car, cant ever go wrong with a black WS6.


LOL!!! You must have not experienced any high hp supercars.


It is not an automatic. It is a manual with paddle shifters and no clutch pedal.
You mention GTR know how i know cause Chad posted lol :)

[Sinfix_15]

Those are facts my friend. I personally ran a 13.7@103 with a 94 trans am 6speed powered by an LT1. Car was bone stock with just an axle back flowmaster and drop in k&n filter.You underestimate greatly my friend

intake/exhaust aint stock. I still dont believe it. Not saying i dont believe *you.... but i dont believe you knew everything about that particular car if it ran that "stock"

also, you think the mid 90s Turbo imports wouldnt respond to intake/exhaust?

[geoff]

intake/exhaust aint stock. I still dont believe it. Not saying i dont believe *you.... but i dont believe you knew everything about that particular car if it ran that "stock"

also, you think the mid 90s Turbo imports wouldnt respond to intake/exhaust?

I do not consider a drop in filter with stock intake piping and aftermarket mufflers to be modifications that give any real power. I picked up maybe 5hp/5tq from those. I knew exactly what was done to the car. Since then I have invested around another 8k and have a car that should run low 10's/ high 9's if it can hook and it is still streetable. Show me an import for 12k that can do that. That R33 you posted was very nice and quick....but i was reffering to import cars that were sold here state side.

[Potter]

@Chad
Nope but I do know that I would drive an integra/civic fully modified to my taste, and park it next to my Pagani at the end of the day.

-considering I had all the money in the world stated in my OP

[geoff]

In 1987, the factory B2K option appeared at dealers. The option's price was almost equal to the base price of the Corvette.
The Callaway Corvette was a Regular Production Option (RPO) B2K, the only time in Chevrolet's history a specialist manufacturer was entrusted with a technically advanced high performance RPO. The B2K option was critical in bringing a select few Corvettes to a higher performance level. Although often compared with Chevrolet's ZR-1 option, they were simply two different approaches to solving the issue of bringing a higher performance Corvette to market. The early B2K's produced 345 hp (257 kW) and 450 lb·ft (610 N·m) of torque. [4] The later B2K's produced 450 hp (336 kW) and 613 lb·ft (831 N·m) of torque. [5]
A derivative of the Twin Turbo Corvette, the 880 hp (656 kW) Callaway SledgeHammer, recorded a speed of 254.76 mph (410.00 km/h) on Ohio's Transportation Research Center track making it the fastest road-going car at the time.

Show me one import or even high end supercar in 1990-1992 that even came close to this. The point comes back to this....you can not compare imports to muscle cars....thats like comparing a little league "little giants" football team to a professional Nfl team.:no: it would be alot of this...:smackass:

[Drummerboy]

Show me one import or even high end supercar in 1990-1992 that even came close to this. The point comes back to this....you can not compare imports to muscle cars....thats like comparing a little league "little giants" football team to a professional Nfl team.:no: it would be alot of this...:smackass:

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ferrari/92-Ferrari-F40-DV-10-CCT_013.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

I do not consider a drop in filter with stock intake piping and aftermarket mufflers to be modifications that give any real power. I picked up maybe 5hp/5tq from those. I knew exactly what was done to the car. Since then I have invested around another 8k and have a car that should run low 10's/ high 9's if it can hook and it is still streetable. Show me an import for 12k that can do that. That R33 you posted was very nice and quick....but i was reffering to import cars that were sold here state side.

So to truely judge american vs japanese, we have to select japanese cars that are made in america? i dont get it....... the term "Americanized" pretty much means to make a sucky version.

Pretty much every year of Skyline starting with the R32 is a far superior car to anything american made. A 1990 GTR would absolute shit all over an Iroc Camaro. An R33 GTR would bitch slap the redneck off an Lt1 Camaro and an there's no denying that an R34 is far superior to the early 2k Fbodies.

Do you really want to compare Camaros to Rx7s or Supras year vs year?

I'm guessing you dont want to include an NSX into this import vs american debate either..... even though it's Honda's flagship sports car.

Now that i'm day dreaming back to the 90s............... are we really even having this conversation right now????????????????????????? There's no comparison. Pretty much from 1990 until the 03 Cobra, imports were dominant.

[Sinfix_15]

Show me one import or even high end supercar in 1990-1992 that even came close to this. The point comes back to this....you can not compare imports to muscle cars....thats like comparing a little league "little giants" football team to a professional Nfl team.:no: it would be alot of this...:smackass:

did you really just link that supercars.net bullshit to me......... seriously.... really???? if we're gonna go that route then........
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_q8kBt8ooNTE/TLbWmCbHQsI/AAAAAAAAFc8/_-JhvfQ5OAg/s1600/r33_2.jpg

because this is as much of a production car as the lingenfelter corvette was.

[Sinfix_15]

Imports have almost ALWAYS dominated the performance automotive industry. The only reason Americans have an undeserved sense of self worth when it comes to automobiles is because we cant see outside of the box we live in. Even in this debate...... without saying this in advance... i handicap my own selection of import cars to argue with. I'm arguing with affordable import sports cars. We're not even scratching the surface of what's available overseas. If you bring Ferrari, porsche ect into this debate... then its American "muscle cars" that start to look like the little giants.

[Sinfix_15]

Amerikuhhhh!!!! where REAL MUSCLE CARS are made!!!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Ferrari_Engine_older_V12.jpg/800px-Ferrari_Engine_older_V12.jpg
http://benzinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/mercedes-benz_v12_engine.jpg
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/33286d1168522354-e39-v12-engine-mvr-6-1-bmw3x.jpg
http://www.carsshow.net/data/media/271/lamborghini_diablo_v12_engine.jpg
http://www.desktopcar.net/wallpaper/341-2/Audi_Q7-V12-TDI_420.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cqsoxz2X2lQ#t=32s

[geoff]

I was referring to imports that were readily available for purchase here yes. How do you figure that imports dominated the automotive world in the 90's? lets do some comparison. I will name two cars off the top of my head, give me atleast one example for each that out performed said vehicle...ready?

1990-1996 corvette Zr1: 405hp & 385tq: 12.6-12.9 1/4 mile stock
1992-1995 dodge viper: 400hp& 465tq: 12.6 1/4 mile stock

[metalmatt47]

Wait....is that car an automatic? Fail.

What's wrong with that? If he's competing in 1/8 or 1/4 mile bracket racing like most muscle cars, consistency is key.

[Sinfix_15]

I was referring to imports that were readily available for purchase here yes. How do you figure that imports dominated the automotive world in the 90's? lets do some comparison. I will name two cars off the top of my head, give me atleast one example for each that out performed said vehicle...ready?

1990-1996 corvette Zr1: 405hp & 385tq: 12.6-12.9 1/4 mile stock
1992-1995 dodge viper: 400hp& 465tq: 12.6 1/4 mile stock

1996 Porsche GT2 - 12.1 stock 465hp

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.4yea.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/e96e4_2011-porsche-911-turbo-s-i004b.jpg

This will out run the new zr1.

[geoff]

You really want to try to compare new cars now too? How about this for some american pride...
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXIZHGIcprTfmUDsGrm_3oRbA2Xql1g T9Do4WSTjSm_TTSm6rsLg
Show me any import/exotic that comes any where near this for the price of $285,000.This car holds the record as the fastest production car in the world....and it bleeds red,white, and blue.

OR
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvT42kY5LHeJnxrYL8UhWJ478r_wIip p2FABs-QSiotYTnyjh9
Show me an import or exotic or euro trash that makes this much power 600hp & 560tq, does the 1/4 mile in [email protected] ALL MOTOR!!!!

And another great american contender:
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRd7Pfa4247VgQwl8RTl3r_618CWP5O7 rUXJqfn_YejPgCbkBHd0JN9Myu62w
638hp & 604tq 1/4 mile in 11.3@131 for a price of $121,000

Go ahead i will wait...any way you try to slice it...america has picked up its game and is a serious force to contend with

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.4yea.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/e96e4_2011-porsche-911-turbo-s-i004b.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

the new 911 is way faster than the zr1............... already posted it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6B_RGew2fnY

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=j9Yytd9TM20

[metalmatt47]

Here's the issue with the argument. I love muscle and grew up on muscle, so don't get me confused with an import kid. I love both parties.


THERE ARE NO NEW MUSCLE CARS. Corvette and Viper are sports cars. Mustang and Trans Am are even borderline sports cars now. Pony cars if they MUST be labeled. I struggle to call the new Challenger and Camaro muscle even.

Muscle cars are true old school lead sleds. Simple, loud, and appealing. Tri-power GTO, Hemi Cuda, those were all muscle cars. Simplicity is one of the biggest keys in the muscle world. When you start talking about IRS, 4 wheel disk brakes, and 4 wheel coilovers, you're walking the fine line.

Fact is, back in the 60's-70's when they hit their peak there was nothing around to compete. European cars were beginning to come into play as key competitors in circle track and Trans Am racing which is where you started to see the Firebirds, Corvettes, and Mustangs fighting for position.

Early 70's Peter Brock was competing with BMW, Alpha, Chevy, Ford ETC using tiny little Datsuns and man were they kicking ass.



Drag racing began fading as other types of racing began to emerge. It's not about straight lines anymore so the big heavy American cars can't compete with the little Porches, Renaults, Ferrari's etc that are on the track.

Imports are victorious in most forms of racing as a result. Now, that doesn't mean you can't make an old 70's Challenger tear down the Auto-X with little Miata's. It just takes a little more $$$$ and skill.




There are a fine few American cars that are well built to compete. No denying the pure awesomeness of the SSC, Vette, etc.

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5Qam_UvSKuM

[metalmatt47]

"Corvette Racing won 79 of the 120 races it contested through the 2010 season. The team's list of accomplishments includes 54 one-two finishes, six class victories in the 24 Hours of Le Mans, seven class wins in the Sebring 12-hour enduro, eight class titles in the 1,000-mile/10-hour Petit Le Mans, and an overall victory in the Daytona 24-hour race.

Based on the Corvette ZR1 supercar, the Corvette C6.R has strong links to the production version of America's performance icon. The GT rules require the use of many production-based components, expanding the opportunities for the two-way transfer of technology between the race track and the showroom. The Corvette C6.R utilizes the ZR1's body design, aerodynamic package, aluminum frame and chassis structure, steering system, windshield, and other components. The race team has prepared the cars for the rigors of endurance racing with safety and performance modifications as permitted by the rulebook."



http://www.corvetteracing.com/2011-overview.shtml

[-EnVus-]

Ok guys get back on topic at hand this is about the car and photos Geoff posted

[geoff]

Sin fix- you have still failed miserably. I will list exactly how, if you wish to redeem yourself please address each one...

1. You still have not shown me one single 90's jdm/import tuner that compared or out performed the 1990-1995 zr1 or 92-95 dodge viper.
2. The only model you presented was a 96 porsche 911 gt2....this car had an msrp twice that of a zr1 or viper and was limited to a production run less than 100 units=fail.
3.The new 911 turbo has an msrp of $160,000 as a Zr1 msrp is 114,000. With $46,000 to play with difference i promise you the zr1 wins 10/10.
4. Show me a 90's model, mass produced, jdm vehicle that out performs the 90's viper/zr1
5. I will make it easier. Beat this car. 1998 Firebird formula v8. 305hp( underrated)340tq: 1/4 mile 13.1-13.5 with msrp of $22,865. Find me an import or euro car that out performs the 1998 ls1 firebird formula for an original msrp under $23,000...

By the way, the 1995 Corvette ZR1 had an msrp of $31,258. For a car that had 400hp/385tq 1/4 mile in 12.7-12.9 and still got 27mpg hwy. I would say america was and has always been king of the streets. Name any high dollar performance car from any era and i can show you an american made example that beats it...probably for half the price too lol.

[geoff]

After that...lets get back to the topic. What are your opinions of the t/a i posted?

[David88vert]

Radial Revolution didn't have any imports running there - all were domestics for the last few years. Slowest cars there run about 11.0 in the 1/4. Maybe this month they will have a 240 run - but I doubt it.

Let's all go to the track...... :-)

[Sinfix_15]

Sin fix- you have still failed miserably. I will list exactly how, if you wish to redeem yourself please address each one...

1. You still have not shown me one single 90's jdm/import tuner that compared or out performed the 1990-1995 zr1 or 92-95 dodge viper.
2. The only model you presented was a 96 porsche 911 gt2....this car had an msrp twice that of a zr1 or viper and was limited to a production run less than 100 units=fail.
3.The new 911 turbo has an msrp of $160,000 as a Zr1 msrp is 114,000. With $46,000 to play with difference i promise you the zr1 wins 10/10.
4. Show me a 90's model, mass produced, jdm vehicle that out performs the 90's viper/zr1
5. I will make it easier. Beat this car. 1998 Firebird formula v8. 305hp( underrated)340tq: 1/4 mile 13.1-13.5 with msrp of $22,865. Find me an import or euro car that out performs the 1998 ls1 firebird formula for an original msrp under $23,000...

By the way, the 1995 Corvette ZR1 had an msrp of $31,258. For a car that had 400hp/385tq 1/4 mile in 12.7-12.9 and still got 27mpg hwy. I would say america was and has always been king of the streets. Name any high dollar performance car from any era and i can show you an american made example that beats it...probably for half the price too lol.

so i have to pick an asian sports compact that out performs an american supercar stock????

You asking me to do this proves how right i am.

You changing this to a $ vs $ argument also proves i'm right. $ vs $ i'll take a fox mustang over any car in the world, that doesnt mean its the best car in the world. A Krystal is the food you can get for $.65 that doesnt mean it's better than a TBone steak. The reason a porsche cost more than a camaro is because its a better car.

A 98 Supra, Rx7, NSX, EVO, Skyline are all middle tier sports cars that are better than a 98 Firebird.

[Sinfix_15]

After that...lets get back to the topic. What are your opinions of the t/a i posted?

I like T/As, i do HATE the taillights though, so him clearing them out and making them more noticeable was a big nono for me. blacked out honeycomb tails and i'd love it. either way, my undying love for anything with t-tops would make me forget about it.

[ZOSICK]

http://www.4yea.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/e96e4_2011-porsche-911-turbo-s-i004b.jpg

This will out run the new zr1.

Bring that car to the track or street with my car!! Put the equal money in the zr1 and see what would happen.. as just a pully swap would murder the porshe... Under my hood is Real all American muscle... Muscle cars back in the day we're big blocks in big cars !! Well the lsx let us have big block cubes in our cars which makes vettes THE BEST modern day MUSCLE not a porshe ...

can't believe your arguing about imports being compaired in the same class...


After that...lets get back to the topic. What are your opinions of the t/a i posted?

Ws6 is a great muscle car !! Looks mean bud. More pics !!

[Sinfix_15]

Bring that car to the track or street with my car!! Put the equal money in the zr1 and see what would happen.. as just a pully swap would murder the porshe... Under my hood is Real all American muscle !!

can't believe your arguing about imports being compaired in the same class...





Ws6 is a great muscle car !! Looks mean bud.

completely different argument to bring up $ vs $. Give me half the money you have in your Z06 and i'll build a foxbody that will absolutely crush your corvette.

[Cynical 1]

i see a plastic pontiac that can't drive in 2 inches of snow, or take a 90 degree turn on the track at speed...

and yes, i've owned 1 (and only 1) trans am in the past... 87 GTA with the turbo 6 (fastest production TA until the WS/6)... and i still wouldn't trade my "econobox" civic for either and $10k...

[Sinfix_15]

i see a plastic pontiac that can't drive in 2 inches of snow, or take a 90 degree turn on the track at speed...

The WS6 is actually a handling package. Does around a .85 skid pad and a 65ish mph slalom, not horrible for a big american sports car.

[David88vert]

Bring that car to the track or street with my car!! Put the equal money in the zr1 and see what would happen.. as just a pully swap would murder the porshe... Under my hood is Real all American muscle !!

can't believe your arguing about imports being compaired in the same class...


Actually, it's simple to do a turbo upgrade on a 996TT. redr1 on here has one, and with very little cost in upgrades (re-tune and upgraded turbo impellers), he made 600hp, and drives like stock. Of course, his 10 yr old used car cost as much as a pretty new Corvette. BTW - he sold his Z06 (he had one of those also for a long time, and it wasn't stock).

[David88vert]

i see a plastic pontiac that can't drive in 2 inches of snow, or take a 90 degree turn on the track at speed...

and yes, i've owned 1 (and only 1) trans am in the past... 87 GTA with the turbo 6 (fastest production TA until the WS/6)... and i still wouldn't trade my "econobox" civic for either and $10k...

Let me put my choice in tires on it, and I'd run against that Civic on RA. :-)

BTW - I like that sig pic - you can see where everyone else has gone off the track, and you are still going in the right direction. :-) Nice and subtle....

[ZOSICK]

completely different argument to bring up $ vs $. Give me half the money you have in your Z06 and i'll build a foxbody that will absolutely crush your corvette.

Sorry that still wouldnt happen!! Hey smart guy my car is z51(grandsport)...

I've built 2 coupes, procharged 408 and nitrous also my friend has a 788 hp coupe and guess who one... 5 speed to 6 and they can't do shit against a c6 vette autos are for pussys !!!

[David88vert]

Sorry that still wouldnt happen!! Hey smart guy my car is z51(grandsport)...

I've built 2 coupes, procharged 408 and nitrous also my friend has a 788 hp coupe and guess who one... 5 speed to 6 and they can't do shit against a c6 vette autos are for pussys !!!

There are only 2 fast Vettes - Lynch and Berry. All the rest of the fast cars are foxbodies...... :-p

[Sinfix_15]

Sorry that still wouldnt happen!! Hey smart guy my car is z51(grandsport)...

I've built 2 coupes, procharged 408 and nitrous also my friend has a 788 hp coupe and guess who one... 5 speed to 6 and they can't do shit against a c6 vette autos are for pussys !!!

so because you beat that one car that one time means you can beat all cars? I've beat a corvette before.... so clearly i could beat your corvette or any other corvette.

If you went to an NMRA event with $100,000 cash, you'd be able to purchase every single outlaw 10.5 car in the field. That's all i have to say about foxbody vs corvette $vs$.

[ZOSICK]

Its obvious you have never been in or drivin a REal supercar much less stock sports car...

Maybe I'll give you a glacé at one at thE next vmeet

[Sinfix_15]

There are only 2 fast Vettes - Lynch and Berry. All the rest of the fast cars are foxbodies...... :-p

Lynch was a mustang man first

[ZOSICK]

Outlaw car Lol you comparing my street car to a outlaw car haha if u want to do that then

Look up Tim lynch on youtube his c6 outlaw car holds works record and one of my close friends built his car... Nuff said

Also

[Sinfix_15]

Its obvious you have never been in or drivin a REal supercar much less stock sports car...

Maybe I'll give you a glacé at one at thE next vmeet

you're obviously a delusional self righteous corvette fan boy. If you honestly think there's no foxbody out there who can beat you, i dont know what to say to you.... other than how much for the rose colored glasses you see the world thru?

[Sinfix_15]

Outlaw car Lol you comparing my street car to a outlaw car haha if u want to do that then

Look up Tim lynch on youtube his c6 outlaw car holds works record and one of my close friends built his car... Nuff said

Also

yeah.... because Tim Lynch's mustang didnt hold the same record for years?????...... Tim Lynch is fast because Tim Lynch is fast.

you're the one crying and bowing out of the comparison to euro supercars because they cost more. $ vs $, i can buy an outlaw mustang for the price of a new corvette.

[ZOSICK]

There are only 2 fast Vettes - Lynch and Berry. All the rest of the fast cars are foxbodies...... :-p

Well when you have something or anyone else does I'll show you there are more than 2 fast track cars!

Since mines a 6 speed street car...

[ZOSICK]

you're obviously a delusional self righteous corvette fan boy. If you honestly think there's no foxbody out there who can beat you, i dont know what to say to you.... other than how much for the rose colored glasses you see the world thru?

Hey nutswinger that has no dog in any fight get off your moms tit and get a real car..

I've raced more than 300 races most on video about 100 passes at the track...

I've owned more mustangs than vettes !! But mustangs just can't be made fast for a street car unless powered by Chevy!!!!

I'm not saying there isn't a notch out there but making fun of your comparisons u must have a 5 year old mentality

Later luz

[Sinfix_15]

Hey nutswinger that has no dog in any fight get off your moms tit and get a real car..

I've raced more than 300 races most on video about 100 passes at the track so....

I'm not saying there isn't a notch out there but making fun of your comparisons u must have a 5 year old mentality

Later luz

i argue that European supercars are better than american supercars.... THEY ARE.

You revert to a $v$ argument, then i bring up foxbodies and you start crying about me picking an outlaw car......... outlaw cars sell for less than your z06...... i win that argument to.

So, now... since youre mad..... take your toys and go home.


ATTENTION IMPORT ATLANTA!!!!! ZOSICK HAS LEFT THE SANDBOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David88vert]

Well when you have something or anyone else does I'll show you there are more than 2 fast track cars!

I do have something - a foxbody. Are you coming to run at SGMP for Lights Out? There will be plenty of foxbodies running there, and a lot of them are street cars.

BTW - I actually like Corvettes also. Out of the box, they are better than 90% of cars, and much nicer than a comparably priced Mustang. We both know that any car can be made fast with enough money.

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.racecraft.com/images/customercars/Mike%20Murillo.jpg
http://corvette2013.info/images/corvette_zr1_1.jpg


The mustang is probably about $20,000 cheaper than the Zr1..... wonder which one is faster $vs$....

hmmmm...... hard decision.

[ZOSICK]

The WS6 is actually a handling package. Does around a .85 skid pad and a 65ish mph slalom, not horrible for a big american sports car.

You forgetting a few things.... A few most obvious ones but hey your not the brightest crayon..

Fn spell ck

[David88vert]

I've owned more mustangs than vettes !! But mustangs just can't be made fast for a street car unless powered by Chevy!!!!


You didn't build them right then. They are easy to make into fast street cars, but not on the stock 302 block. The stock 302 block is just too weak. The 351 is much stronger, and can make 750-800rwhp easily.

[ZOSICK]

i argue that European supercars are better than american supercars.... THEY ARE.

You revert to a $v$ argument, then i bring up foxbodies and you start crying about me picking an outlaw car......... outlaw cars sell for less than your z06...... i win that argument to.

So, now... since youre mad..... take your toys and go home.


ATTENTION IMPORT ATLANTA!!!!! ZOSICK HAS LEFT THE SANDBOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hey stupid my car is a c6 not a z06 nada 28k smart retard!!

A outlaw full chassis and motor set up is over that durrrr ..

I wouldnt know anything though...( Z0sick) was my 01 z06 car

[David88vert]

The mustang is probably about $20,000 cheaper than the Zr1..... wonder which one is faster $vs$....

hmmmm...... hard decision.

Easy decision - I'll take the ZR1 and enjoy it every day.

[Sinfix_15]

You forgetting a few things.... A few most obvious ones but hey your not the brightest canyon

yep.

[David88vert]

Hey stupid my car is a c6 not a z06 nada 28k smart retard!!

Correct - and you can't buy an Outlaw for $28K, that's for certain.

[Sinfix_15]

Hey stupid my car is a c6 not a z06 nada 28k smart retard!!

28k = a foxbody faster than you.

[Sinfix_15]

For 28k, you could build a foxbody to out run your corvette, a truck and trailer to pull it with and buy everyone at the race a hotdog.

[Sinfix_15]

Easy decision - I'll take the ZR1 and enjoy it every day.

me too.... but we're arguing speed. which one is faster $v$

[David88vert]

For 28k, you could build a foxbody to out run your corvette, a truck and trailer to pull it with and buy everyone at the race a hotdog.

Not really. I'll have more than that in my foxbody as soon as I change my bottom end.

[ZOSICK]

I do have something - a foxbody. Are you coming to run at SGMP for Lights Out? There will be plenty of foxbodies running there, and a lot of them are street cars.

BTW - I actually like Corvettes also. Out of the box, they are better than 90% of cars, and much nicer than a comparably priced Mustang. We both know that any car can be made fast with enough money.

WhEn and where I'll deff be at mce track day, if that track your going too will let me run.. Ill try and make it..

My car street car na req rollcage etc

[Sinfix_15]

anyways, time for me to go to work. Truely got a laugh out of you Zosick, thanx for brightening the day of a less fortunate broke guy.

[David88vert]

me too.... but we're arguing speed. which one is faster $v$

They are two completely different uses. the Outlaw won't drive 3 hors to the track, make its runs, and drive back home. The Vette can do that with the A/C on, and playing some tunes. Ask your girl which one she would rather ride in....

[Sinfix_15]

Not really. I'll have more than that in my foxbody as soon as I change my bottom end.

building a nice foxbody and building a fast foxbody are 2 entirely different ideas. If you cant build a 9 second foxbody for 15k then you're not doin it right.

[Sinfix_15]

They are two completely different uses. the Outlaw won't drive 3 hors to the track, make its runs, and drive back home. The Vette can do that with the A/C on, and playing some tunes. Ask your girl which one she would rather ride in....

completely different arguments. You're changing the argument.

[Sinfix_15]

peace

[David88vert]

WhEn and where I'll deff be at mce track day, if that track your going too will let me run.. Ill try and make it..

My car street car na req rollcage etc

I love SDR, but never go to MCE Trackday, due to avoiding certain idiots that I would not like to be around.

SGMP is a big race, honestly, you wouldn't have a chance except in running index - and probably not then either. Slowest class that they have is 7.50, which is a bracket. In the heads up classes, all the cars are full race cars, on controlled tires. I suspect that you are running larger than 275's, and if so, you would have to be running in the mid to high 4's to even have a chance to make the field.
I won't be on the track until after I get the bottom end replaced. Pretty sure that I have a snapped/cracked ring, and I am getting a lot of oil in the catch can. Don't want to take a chance of putting oil on the track, and have someone crash because of me.

Lights Out 3 - Radial Revolution - http://www.racesgmp.com/schedule-dragstrip-detail.da?id=354

[ZOSICK]

You didn't build them right then. They are easy to make into fast street cars, but not on the stock 302 block. The stock 302 block is just too weak. The 351 is much stronger, and can make 750-800rwhp easily.


For 28k, you could build a foxbody to out run your corvette, a truck and trailer to pull it with and buy everyone at the race a hotdog.
Well I havE a truck trailer and buy my boys beer after racing..

So how much power you think I make ...?? . Problem is you have no clue and with your mentallity prob 380hp. Plenty of vids out there of my old setup the last one was 2weeks ago, me running a new gt500 mustang with ported blower, upper&lower pulleys, cai etc and he saw tail lights till they faded away...and we did several pulls.

[David88vert]

building a nice foxbody and building a fast foxbody are 2 entirely different ideas. If you cant build a 9 second foxbody for 15k then you're not doin it right.

If you are going to compare it to a nice Corvette with full interior and functionality, then it needs to be comparable. A gutted, lightweight foxbody with a tiny radiator, and nothing more than one seat and steering wheel is not a reasonable comparison.
You made a hige effort to state how all the other Silvia's needed to sit like yours in the other thread, and had to have the same wheels, bumpers, etc. Either keep the same standards here, or go change your standards in the other thread, and pay out the $50.

[David88vert]

Well I havE a truck trailer and buy my boys beer after racing..

So how much power you think I make ...?? . Problem is you have no clue and with your mentallity prob 380hp. Plenty of vids out there of my old setup the last one was 2weeks ago, me running a nee gt500 mustang with ported blower, upper&lower pulleys, cai etc and he saw tail lights and we did several pulls.

If you aren't putting at least 650rwhp down, I would be surprised. I expect at least that from your car.

[boosted347]

If you are going to compare it to a nice Corvette with full interior and functionality, then it needs to be comparable. A gutted, lightweight foxbody with a tiny radiator, and nothing more than one seat and steering wheel is not a reasonable comparison.
You made a hige effort to state how all the other Silvia's needed to sit like yours in the other thread, and had to have the same wheels, bumpers, etc. Either keep the same standards here, or go change your standards in the other thread, and pay out the $50.

Truth right here

[ZOSICK]

Ya I didnt build my car for the track but I will go for fun track days and race street cars :)

[David88vert]

Street is more fun, and easier to get to.
Track is good, but you need friends, tools, etc there to enjoy it,and you have to wait for it.

[ZOSICK]

They are two completely different uses. the Outlaw won't drive 3 hors to the track, make its runs, and drive back home. The Vette can do that with the A/C on, and playing some tunes. Ask your girl which one she would rather ride in....
Know that's funny right there LMAO


If you aren't putting at least 650rwhp down, I would be surprised. I expect at least that from your car.

My ls2 6.0 stock headed cam only and bolt ons na around 465 but on 100 shot it hits 88 mph and goes to 1985 lol

But now my ish is a lil differnt :ninja:

[EJ25RUN]

Oh yes....F.O.R.D( or as known internally, FixedOrRepairedDaily) i believe a for one to qualify as a "muscle" car it needs 350ci or more....:lmfao:

After a while people on this site seem to develop some sense. You on the other hand are still as useless as before.

[geoff]

After a while people on this site seem to develop some sense. You on the other hand are still as useless as before.
You obviously have no sense of humor if you thought i was making a serious statement here. I'm not a mullet wearing redneck that swings off the nutt sack of chevrolet....i swing off the nutt sacks of any fast car. For example, $vs$ i would love to own the new 5.0 vs SS any day of the week.

Sinfix-an american super car, the ssc ultimate aero tt, is the fastest production car in the world. That is a fact. The second fact of this car, is that it runs a corvette motor....just saying. Oh and for a price of $285,000 vs the $1,000,000+ price tag of the veyron....i would say america is doing damn good.

Z0sick/david88vert: My set up is a couple months away from breathing life again. If either of you care for a friendly street run ( in mexico of course)
I have my uncle who is itching to run a well built car. He has yet to lose against anything on the street, c6z06,evo,porsche, ect.....either of you interested?

[David88vert]

I'm hoping that I can get my new bottom end in the next 2-3 months. Have some other stuff to take care of first, and it will take them a month to built it, and another month to get it in. Until then, I'm running "ok", but limited life is left in mine.

Who said mine was well built? I'm mostly stock...

[boosted347]

I'm hoping that I can get my new bottom end in the next 2-3 months. Have some other stuff to take care of first, and it will take them a month to built it, and another month to get it in. Until then, I'm running "ok", but limited life is left in mine.

Who said mine was well built? I'm mostly stock...

Id say mostly stock is being bold, you have like one aftermarket engine component lol

[geoff]

My build is going to take a while too. I can't run my car at commerce anymore with out putting a full cage in it...being a dd i would really hate to do that. On another note, not many people in the Atlanta area tune LT1's. I have done my own datalog tuning....it sucks. With the new turbo i will desperately need someone to tune this thing, that or im going to have to switch to carbed. But, my uncle's car is very much ready....you might have actually seen him on the streets. He lives in the loganville area.

[jtdb8]

ok. im a chevy fan. cant stand a ford. but to each his own. ford spelled backwards, driver returns on foot. lol but anyways, to get a ford to run fast you need a chevy motor under the hood, an to keet the chevy on the track you need the ford rear end. butto the fact auto manual. auto all day because they are putting down alot of power an tq "pro mods". but its what you want though. have seen auto supras running 11s. no power loss. but what setup are you running with the turbos? i have a good friend that has a tt350 thats making 600hp on his lowest boost setting. thats a chevy. them my machine shop guy has a ford mustang tt. they are both close on peak hp.

[ZOSICK]

Z0sick/david88vert: My set up is a couple months away from breathing life again. If either of you care for a friendly street run ( in mexico of course)
I have my uncle who is itching to run a well built car. He has yet to lose against anything on the street, c6z06,evo,porsche, ect.....either of you interested?

Yes ill Run you when your car is ready and your Uncles... But i dont run for fun so set it up :goodjob:

What kind of car etc etc ?

[David88vert]

My build is going to take a while too. I can't run my car at commerce anymore with out putting a full cage in it...being a dd i would really hate to do that. On another note, not many people in the Atlanta area tune LT1's. I have done my own datalog tuning....it sucks. With the new turbo i will desperately need someone to tune this thing, that or im going to have to switch to carbed. But, my uncle's car is very much ready....you might have actually seen him on the streets. He lives in the loganville area.

Us Ford guys have Kurgan now.

For LT1, you will have to talk to APF, Forest, Chris@HPS, etc, and see who you like.
Or, you can try to bribe Bob to tune an LT1..... :-)

[David88vert]

Id say mostly stock is being bold, you have like one aftermarket engine component lol

Hey, just an update. I'm going to stay with a Ford block. Not going to make enough power to need a Dart block.

[jtdb8]

Hey, just an update. I'm going to stay with a Ford block. Not going to make enough power to need a Dart block.

Thought they split?

[David88vert]

Can't afford to go all out with a $3000 block.

[geoff]

Z0sick- My car has a while to go lol. Like I said i am going to need a really good tune. But as far as my uncle goes....you may have seen him before in snellville/loganville. He has the red 2nd gen roe supercharged viper. license plate says vancica.

David88vert: I have self tuned my car with Lt1 edit/tunercats....im out of knowledge now. Most people tune ls1/2/3 ect....im actually considering going to an efi 24x system and doing away with the dreaded optispark. My last set up with a t76 made around 550 to the wheels. This one i wanna go all out after having built my forged 383ci motor. Im wanting to run around 20psi so with a good tune it should make around 800. This has been a long process for me and lots of money. The last thing i want is to get someone with minimal experience in LT1 tuning and blow away my $5000 motor ya know? I had a shop locally try and tune my h/c/i set up a while ago....had nothing but problems. can you personally recommend anyone that you have had good experience with?

[geoff]

Can't afford to go all out with a $3000 block.
I feel your pain lol. Sometimes we have to take shortcuts due to a lack of budget lol.

[ZOSICK]

Z0sick- My car has a while to go lol. Like I said i am going to need a really good tune. But as far as my uncle goes....you may have seen him before in snellville/loganville. He has the red 2nd gen roe supercharged viper. license plate says vancica.
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Never seen it or hurd about it so that said..... Since your not ready I would ask you to ask him if he would like to do a dig race on the street for $250-$500

[David88vert]

Z0sick- My car has a while to go lol. Like I said i am going to need a really good tune. But as far as my uncle goes....you may have seen him before in snellville/loganville. He has the red 2nd gen roe supercharged viper. license plate says vancica.

David88vert: I have self tuned my car with Lt1 edit/tunercats....im out of knowledge now. Most people tune ls1/2/3 ect....im actually considering going to an efi 24x system and doing away with the dreaded optispark. My last set up with a t76 made around 550 to the wheels. This one i wanna go all out after having built my forged 383ci motor. Im wanting to run around 20psi so with a good tune it should make around 800. This has been a long process for me and lots of money. The last thing i want is to get someone with minimal experience in LT1 tuning and blow away my $5000 motor ya know? I had a shop locally try and tune my h/c/i set up a while ago....had nothing but problems. can you personally recommend anyone that you have had good experience with?

Bob is one of the best tuners that I have met; however, he tunes Fords, and not LT1s that I am aware of.

If I was in your position, I would go over to DynoLab in Marietta, and have Arthur call Roy to come tune it.

[ZOSICK]

You didn't build them right then. They are easy to make into fast street cars, but not on the stock 302 block. The stock 302 block is just too weak. .


Hey, just an update. I'm going to stay with a Ford block. Not going to make enough power to need a Dart block.

Hmm Ricer move.... ^^^^

oh my notch was 408 :crazy:

[David88vert]

Hmm Ricer move.... ^^^^

oh my notch was 408 :crazy:


I feel your pain lol. Sometimes we have to take shortcuts due to a lack of budget lol.

I never said that I was taking shortcuts or going with a stock block......

I considered a 408, but Bob is dominating his class with just a little 363, so there's no need to do a 408...

[geoff]

Never seen it or hurd about it so that said..... Since your not ready I would ask you to ask him if he would like to do a dig race on the street for $250-$500
It's impossible for him to do a dig race. And he won't race for money....just sport and bragging rights

david88vert- thanks man

[ZOSICK]

It's impossible for him to do a dig race. And he won't race for money....just sport and bragging rights

david88vert- thanks man

No wonder he hasnt been beat by those ''stock'' cars cruising the hwys ...

ok ok what about Gas money and video bragging rights..??

''impossible'' Lmao im on Dot 19 inch street tires!!! Trust me plenty of 5/6 speeds can leave with high hp... its called a drivers race... but since He cant drive and skurd of a real race ill do a roll tell him to name it......!!!!! but no bs 45+ shit

[AnthonyF]

Looks good man. I like the rear shot of it. What size rear tires?

[geoff]

Z0sick: Extremely hard to do races from a dig or even a low mph roll when you make over 800tq to the wheels. He too is running on 19" dot's...albeit they are 12.5" wide lol. He is scared of his car to be honest. I would be too. Maybe when commerce opens up you guys can race there. The officials will probably only let him get one pass since he has no roll bar lol....but you guys can get a run there and maybe a few on the hwy back home.

trymy4.6-315

[quickdodge®]

What's a fake car?

Exactly. Hotwheels, Matchbox and a slew of other companies make fake cars. Any car tagged and insured (and some not, of course) and on the road are all real cars.

And "muscle cars" go through to the 80s. Later, QD.

[jtdb8]

Z0sick- My car has a while to go lol. Like I said i am going to need a really good tune. But as far as my uncle goes....you may have seen him before in snellville/loganville. He has the red 2nd gen roe supercharged viper. license plate says vancica.

David88vert: I have self tuned my car with Lt1 edit/tunercats....im out of knowledge now. Most people tune ls1/2/3 ect....im actually considering going to an efi 24x system and doing away with the dreaded optispark. My last set up with a t76 made around 550 to the wheels. This one i wanna go all out after having built my forged 383ci motor. Im wanting to run around 20psi so with a good tune it should make around 800. This has been a long process for me and lots of money. The last thing i want is to get someone with minimal experience in LT1 tuning and blow away my $5000 motor ya know? I had a shop locally try and tune my h/c/i set up a while ago....had nothing but problems. can you personally recommend anyone that you have had good experience with?


You should clear 800hp with the 383. The 350 made 800hp at the crank 20psi. Small cam hardy any noticeable lope.

[Sinfix_15]

If you are going to compare it to a nice Corvette with full interior and functionality, then it needs to be comparable. A gutted, lightweight foxbody with a tiny radiator, and nothing more than one seat and steering wheel is not a reasonable comparison.
You made a hige effort to state how all the other Silvia's needed to sit like yours in the other thread, and had to have the same wheels, bumpers, etc. Either keep the same standards here, or go change your standards in the other thread, and pay out the $50.

you're changing the argument.

How fast a car is, how nice it is, how clean it is or how driveable it is are all completely different things.

We're not arguing well rounded comfortable cars that can be street driven, simply said a foxbody can outrun Zosick for 1/2 the money. Dont put words in my mouth about anything else. I'm arguing nothing more than speed.

[geoff]

You should clear 800hp with the 383. The 350 made 800hp at the crank 20psi. Small cam hardy any noticeable lope.
I would surely hope so. This things is getting to the point where i dont think it would be a practical daily driver anymore lol.

[David88vert]

you're changing the argument.

How fast a car is, how nice it is, how clean it is or how driveable it is are all completely different things.

We're not arguing well rounded comfortable cars that can be street driven, simply said a foxbody can outrun Zosick for 1/2 the money. Dont put words in my mouth about anything else. I'm arguing nothing more than speed.

Then you need to go back to the other thread and pay out $50. You are quick to try to separate nice street cars from others there, but here it can be a POS as long as it is fast?
Compare apples to apples, not oranges.

Hell, I can buy a bike for a lot less that will beat these cars with no problem.

[Sinfix_15]

Then you need to go back to the other thread and pay out $50. You are quick to try to separate nice street cars from others there, but here it can be a POS as long as it is fast?
Compare apples to apples, not oranges.

Hell, I can buy a bike for a lot less that will beat these cars with no problem.

This argument makes no fucking sense..... you're trying too hard to argue. Nothing said in this thread even remotely applies to anything in my other thread. I dont know how you wondered so far off the path with this argument, but you're really grasping at straws now.

I said a 911 is a better car than the Zr1. It's a faster, more prestigious, more well rounded vehicle than the Corvette.

Zosick replies with a $ v $ argument and says for the price difference he can make a Corvette out run the 911.

well, throwing out all the obvious reasons the 911 cost more than the Corvette, i can pick a cheaper car and use the money difference to do the same.


And on top of that...... you bringing up my car is another miserable fail. Not only is my car faster than 90% of the "POS race car" 240s... it also looks as good as the show car 240s... so explain to me how giving emphasis to either speed or "niceness" has any reflection on how i value my car? Whether you value speed or looks more.. makes no difference, has both equally. In this particular argument.................................. we were talking about speed and nothing more. Me talking about speed, is called staying in context, something you are not doing. Cant say anything about any topic ever without it somehow relating back to my own vehicle.

[Doppelgänger]

All of the arguments in this thread are invalid.

http://youtu.be/t6-CADcY4KU

[jtdb8]

I would surely hope so. This things is getting to the point where i dont think it would be a practical daily driver anymore lol.

maybe. but thats the wonderful thing about the turbo setup an being fuel injected, the tuning. have you thought about getting in touch with a shop that does work on lt1s an tunes them? you could give them your setup an send your ecu to them an they could set you a base map or a certan tune that will alow you to break it in. just a thought.

[ZOSICK]

Z0sick: Extremely hard to do races from a dig or even a low mph roll when you make over 800tq to the wheels. He too is running on 19" dot's...albeit they are 12.5" wide lol. He is scared of his car to be honest. I would be too. Maybe when commerce opens up you guys can race there. The officials will probably only let him get one pass since he has no roll bar lol....but you guys can get a run there and maybe a few on the hwy back home.

trymy4.6-315

That is a huge lame excuse and He doesnt make 800tq till high rpms... if 8 at all...

So does that mean he is skurd to race me now? A full street car 6 speed.. Since u said he would and hasnt been beat guess its his 80mph ricer race or no race.. 800tq viper, but cant get correct tires to handle power :lmfao:

And yes i will not be allowed to run but 1 run at a real race day with rules which is pointless to go.. if that tells u anything..

On the street would be his only chance just sayin..

Tell him ill do a 40 roll & Gas money ! So see what he says.. fyi I have 19x13 and 345's on it

[David88vert]

This argument makes no fucking sense..... you're trying too hard to argue. Nothing said in this thread even remotely applies to anything in my other thread. I dont know how you wondered so far off the path with this argument, but you're really grasping at straws now.

I said a 911 is a better car than the Zr1. It's a faster, more prestigious, more well rounded vehicle than the Corvette.

Zosick replies with a $ v $ argument and says for the price difference he can make a Corvette out run the 911.

well, throwing out all the obvious reasons the 911 cost more than the Corvette, i can pick a cheaper car and use the money difference to do the same.


And on top of that...... you bringing up my car is another miserable fail. Not only is my car faster than 90% of the "POS race car" 240s... it also looks as good as the show car 240s... so explain to me how giving emphasis to either speed or "niceness" has any reflection on how i value my car? Whether you value speed or looks more.. makes no difference, has both equally. In this particular argument.................................. we were talking about speed and nothing more. Me talking about speed, is called staying in context, something you are not doing. Cant say anything about any topic ever without it somehow relating back to my own vehicle.


I will make this simple, so that you may have a chance to understand it. A gutted out racecar is not a reasonable comparison to a fully functional, daily driveable street car.
A 911 is a street car. A Corvette is a street car. An Outlaw 10.5 is not a street car.

The 997 GT2 RS is the only 911 to be faster than the current ZR1 - and that is a limited production, carbon-fiber, custom-tire, $245k car. Compare a stock $110K 911 to a stock $110 ZR1 - that is apples to apples.

Any car can be made fast or nice with enough money. That said, after taking a Civic/Mustang/240/Corvette/911/etc and spending $200K on it, you will still have a Civic/Mustang/240/Corvette/911/etc - not a Veyron, or a car worth $200K+.

I have never said anything about your vehicle before this thread. You seem to have a poor memory.
Now, to put it all "in context", look at your thread (the one that said find a car like mine for under $8K), where you stated that the car had to be comparable to your car, and you would pay out $50. Every car that anyone showed, you had a problem with - not enough power, not nice enough, "wrong" bumper cover, etc. It was all about the quality of the car, the power of the car, and the value of the car. You wante to compare apples to apples there, but in this thread, you don't want to limit yourself to apples, you want to bring oranges into it to try to bolster your poorly conceived argument. Are you able to understand what you are doing now?

[David88vert]

All of the arguments in this thread are invalid.

http://youtu.be/t6-CADcY4KU

You drive a Miata. You aren't allowed to care about speed. You are only allowed to care that your high heels and your purse don't clash with your skirt and blouse.

[ZOSICK]

well said david !

sinfix here is a video of a fully gutted no dash no nothing i mean nothing in the car but a kirky seat an nitrous bottle a built auto and coil overs with slicks with a ls motor conversion so id say this a race car vs my 100 % DD c5 frc 6 speed around a 10 roll and he had more money in his coupe than me in my c5 so guess what that means....

http://youtu.be/OTePoxHLZQQ

here is my view and you can hear honks

http://youtu.be/1cBbe7UDn1Y skip to 115

[Doppelgänger]

You drive a Miata. You aren't allowed to care about speed. You are only allowed to care that your high heels and your purse don't clash with your skirt and blouse.

For all your smack talking, I have yet to hear anyone vouch for you driving/riding skills....let alone see them for myself.

Just saying...

[David88vert]

For all your smack talking, I have yet to hear anyone vouch for you driving/riding skills....let alone see them for myself.

Just saying...

I've told you, we can go to the track... :-)
Just make it RA, 'cause it would be embarassing if you beat me on the dragstrip.... :-)

BTW - the yellow Miata never ended up getting a new motor. It's still a weak 4 cyl.

[Doppelgänger]

13B it.

[David88vert]

13B it.

I've been trying to get him to do that for a long time. 13B-REW with a GT42R would be sick - especially since he has the whole setup sitting there brand new - dowel pinned, new everything including MOTEC, etc. Maybe you should get that setup and put it in your Miata - it would make 750rwhp on pump easily.
Right now, he has been focused on stick his LS2 setup in the FD - he bought another FD and did another all-metal widebody. Sent you a photo in PM

[Rhys.]

car looks like every other redneck peice of shit thats drives around lol!!!!!! its got an over the top hood front end looks like ass... it looks like an alien spaceship that was shit out your ass... wheels look gay and regular bs tailights look like a beehive..... in plain terms SHITS FUCKING LAME BRO!!!!!! LMAO

[boosted347]

And on top of that...... you bringing up my car is another miserable fail. Not only is my car faster than 90% of the "POS race car" 240s... it also looks as good as the show car 240s... so explain to me how giving emphasis to either speed or "niceness" has any reflection on how i value my car.

ok not trying to start another argument here but 90% of what "pos race car 240s" if you refer to drift cars, those arent "racecars" by any stretch of the imagination...i will give you that your car does look good though lol and how you value speed and niceness greatly reflects on how you value your car, you say its worth more because of the two so you are not using the same stipulations in thos argument...obviously you can make any junkyard car faster than a corvette for less money, that's not the point...but continue on with useless arguments over cars 99% of people will never oen :goodjob:

[Sinfix_15]

I will make this simple, so that you may have a chance to understand it. A gutted out racecar is not a reasonable comparison to a fully functional, daily driveable street car.
A 911 is a street car. A Corvette is a street car. An Outlaw 10.5 is not a street car.

The 997 GT2 RS is the only 911 to be faster than the current ZR1 - and that is a limited production, carbon-fiber, custom-tire, $245k car. Compare a stock $110K 911 to a stock $110 ZR1 - that is apples to apples.

Any car can be made fast or nice with enough money. That said, after taking a Civic/Mustang/240/Corvette/911/etc and spending $200K on it, you will still have a Civic/Mustang/240/Corvette/911/etc - not a Veyron, or a car worth $200K+.

I have never said anything about your vehicle before this thread. You seem to have a poor memory.
Now, to put it all "in context", look at your thread (the one that said find a car like mine for under $8K), where you stated that the car had to be comparable to your car, and you would pay out $50. Every car that anyone showed, you had a problem with - not enough power, not nice enough, "wrong" bumper cover, etc. It was all about the quality of the car, the power of the car, and the value of the car. You wante to compare apples to apples there, but in this thread, you don't want to limit yourself to apples, you want to bring oranges into it to try to bolster your poorly conceived argument. Are you able to understand what you are doing now?

My argument was simple..... 911 is faster than the zr1. He said he could make a corvette faster with the price difference. I said i could make a foxbody faster with the price difference. Whats the problem? The only reason i mentioned an outlaw car (which is cheaper than a new zr1) is because Zosick's ego is such that he's the fastest man who ever put his hands on a steering wheel. Obviously (hopefully) he would admit his street car is out matched by an outlaw car.

I said you couldnt find a 240 as good as mine for the $5000 people think theyre worth. No car anyone linked was faster or even remotely as attractive. The best looking car anyone linked was a stock flip headlight 240sx with a factory paint job. Nobody in the thread seemed to disagree with my judgement. Nothing was even worth judging............ you know why???? because i was 100% right...... s13s like mine are hard enough to even find period..... much less at a the bargain price everyone wants.

[Sinfix_15]

ok not trying to start another argument here but 90% of what "pos race car 240s" if you refer to drift cars, those arent "racecars" by any stretch of the imagination...i will give you that your car does look good though lol and how you value speed and niceness greatly reflects on how you value your car, you say its worth more because of the two so you are not using the same stipulations in thos argument...obviously you can make any junkyard car faster than a corvette for less money, that's not the point...but continue on with useless arguments over cars 99% of people will never oen :goodjob:

i understand that, was just sending Zosick's argument back at him to prove a point. The same as he could make a vette faster than a "nicer" car, i could make a foxbody faster.

[geoff]

z0sick: 800tq yes....its a 500ci roe twin screw supercharged viper on 12psi with supporting bolt ons. the problem he has even with sticky tires is this....things break when he hooks. i will talk to him and see what he says.

jtdb8: i have talked to a few lt1 tuners.....not many have much more experience than adding some timing and adjusting shift points lol. i decided to go with the efi 24x set up. It allows me to do a coil on plug set up, do away with the optispark, and have all the tuning capabilities of the ls1.

any of you have any experience with lethal injection?

[ZOSICK]

z0sick: 800tq yes....its a 500ci roe twin screw supercharged viper on 12psi with supporting bolt ons. the problem he has even with sticky tires is this....things break when he hooks. i will talk to him and see what he says.

jtdb8: i have talked to a few lt1 tuners.....not many have much more experience than adding some timing and adjusting shift points lol. i decided to go with the efi 24x set up. It allows me to do a coil on plug set up, do away with the optispark, and have all the tuning capabilities of the ls1.

any of you have any experience with lethal injection?

No viper breaks with drag radials on street good try... My neighbor has a 06 with 1100hp running mickey drags and launches at track ...

If he can't do a 40-45 he's a big vagina!!!


Sinfix I proved my point in the vids luz!!!! Nuf said!!

[Sinfix_15]

Sinfix I proved my point in the vids luz!!!! Nuf said!!

Link me the vid where you out ran every foxbody on the planet.

[ZOSICK]

Link me the vid where you out ran every foxbody on the planet.

It must suck to bench race oops i mean bitch race your car and know you will never have any racing vids worth watching just alot of :blah:

Take your 5k shit box outta this thread since there is no use for u and your slow purty 240 :lmfao:

[Sinfix_15]

It must suck to bench race oops i mean bitch race your car and know you will never have any racing vids worth watching just alot of :blah:

Take your 5k shit box outta this thread since there is no use for u and your slow purty 240 :lmfao:

http://www.filmofilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/diesel-v.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

11 second 2 liter shit box... not the fastest car in the world.... but neither are you. Difference in the two of us......... i realize that.

[ZOSICK]

Ur a dumb ass u just dont realize it !!

Show me u going 11 sEc in your poop box!!!!!

[geoff]

Z0SICK: not everyone's pockets are as deep as yours my friend. His car is clean, he built it how he wanted, and to him its enough. That is all that counts, that the owner of their own vehicle has pride in it. Your car is not the fastest thing on the streets nor is it the fastest corvette. There is ALWAYS some one out there with deeper pockets who's car is faster. Respect man, you do not seem to have any.

[jmotley]

First on race day!!!!!!

[Logan]

I know I will probably get flamed like crazy because this isn't a civic or 240sx, but I would like to think that someone on here might actually appreciate a "real" car and the fact that this particular example is....well....a piece of art. Enjoy

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/397261_10150766313869465_736739464_12518163_726164 891_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/420713_10150766316509465_736739464_12518167_769836 828_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/418759_10150765509754465_736739464_12515807_157153 6745_n.jpg
:yes::camera::nx:


I'm not really into Sunfires but that one looks okay.

[-EnVus-]

Z0SICK: Respect man, you do not seem to have any.
He don't have to have any he lives in the Kills Forum..

[-EnVus-]

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/yankz12603/Girls%20and%20Cars/10300520238bwr2oy.jpg
'nuff said....:yes:

At Ford we do things Better....


http://i41.tinypic.com/2l9r2hi.jpg

[geoff]

^mines is cooler.....admit it. your chick doesn't even have the ho boots lol

[boosted347]

z0sick: 800tq yes....its a 500ci roe twin screw supercharged viper on 12psi with supporting bolt ons. the problem he has even with sticky tires is this....things break when he hooks. i will talk to him and see what he says.

jtdb8: i have talked to a few lt1 tuners.....not many have much more experience than adding some timing and adjusting shift points lol. i decided to go with the efi 24x set up. It allows me to do a coil on plug set up, do away with the optispark, and have all the tuning capabilities of the ls1.

any of you have any experience with lethal injection?

Its not a red vert viper is it?

[geoff]

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=221514&d=1267142891

yes actually but it has a custom hard top now, blacked out tails and headlights too.

[-EnVus-]

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=221514&d=1267142891

yes actually but it has a custom hard top now, blacked out tails and headlights too.
Does a guy named Jason, dad drive that viper ?

[geoff]

No, its my uncles car. His name is stephan.

[-EnVus-]

No, its my uncles car. His name is stephan.
Ah ok yeah buddy of mines dad has one in Winder but his is same color RT10

[geoff]

Yeah his has a hard top now

[-EnVus-]

Is that one a RT10 ?

[boosted347]

Ahhh I ran a newer one at ISD his was supercharged and rocking ccw classic drag packs, he grenaded his rear end so I won :D lol

[geoff]

yes his is an rt/10

[-EnVus-]

yes his is an rt/10
He live any where near Barrow ?

[geoff]

no but he drives all over the place. not lately but when the weather is nice he brings it out

[alpine_aw11]

car looks like every other redneck peice of shit thats drives around lol!!!!!! its got an over the top hood front end looks like ass... it looks like an alien spaceship that was shit out your ass... wheels look gay and regular bs tailights look like a beehive..... in plain terms SHITS FUCKING LAME BRO!!!!!! LMAO


I would be willing to bet a lot of money that you have owned a shitty primered up Civic in your lifetime. That was definitely a statement a douchebag Honda boy would make.

[jonbuice5591]

Come to SGMP for Lights Out, and tell all the racers that..... 95% of them are auto, and the lowest is running 11's in the 1/4, and the 2000+hp cars are all auto. tell them they don't have "muscle".... :-)

this is true, i grew up in drag racing and 99% of muscle cars have an automatic trans and they beat the hell out of anyone there with a manual trans. plus a manual trans looks like shit when going down the track when an automatic just glides down it..

[ZOSICK]

Z0SICK: not everyone's pockets are as deep as yours my friend. His car is clean, he built it how he wanted, and to him its enough. That is all that counts, that the owner of their own vehicle has pride in it. Your car is not the fastest thing on the streets nor is it the fastest corvette. There is ALWAYS some one out there with deeper pockets who's car is faster. Respect man, you do not seem to have any.

Nothing about what i said has anything to do with deep pockets.. i was stating i dont think he runs low 11's so post a vid up (sinfix)

Respect is earned and i was mostly talkn with sinfix whch he been arguin with everyone!!

i gave you props for your car a few times in this thread...

now what about that race with the viper? he has plenty more cubes an im no boost ...

[Sinfix_15]

Nothing about what i said has anything to do with deep pockets.. i was stating i dont think he runs low 11's so post a vid up (sinfix)

Respect is earned and i was mostly talkn with sinfix whch he been arguin with everyone!!

i gave you props for your car a few times in this thread...

now what about that race with the viper? he has plenty more cubes an im no boost ...

several people from this site have seen my car, raced my car or seen my car race. Not hiding from anyone.

Having an 11 second 2 liter shitbox is unbelievable to you, i'll take that as a compliment. Thanx bro.

[SHHHH]

Clean looking TA

[boosted347]

Clean looking TA

I agree...you gonna be at IFO by chance?

[geoff]

Thanks on the compliments guys. As far as the race with the viper goes....he is still deciding. If it was my personal car i would run you.

[ZOSICK]

Thanks on the compliments guys. As far as the race with the viper goes....he is still deciding. If it was my personal car i would run you.

I like the ws6 hood esp when they spry the nitrous out the front !! is yours set up that way?

Well tell him to just name the speed then he want higher roll than 40? say 50-130?

[geoff]

That car is actually a personal friend of mine. He lives in Gainesville, Fl. Its just a basic H/C/I bolt ons set up no power adder. I can post up pics of my t/a's. I will talk to him. The problem he has is that when the tires bite, $hit breaks. He has the motor/tranny built but the rear end is stock except for gears. He would most likely do a 60-160. Also, the issue of police. He wouldnt want to do this with alot of people around. Maybe head out to a local meet and then the two of you go somewhere.

[ZOSICK]

several people from this site have seen my car, raced my car or seen my car race. Not hiding from anyone.

Having an 11 second 2 liter shitbox is unbelievable to you, i'll take that as a compliment. Thanx bro.
Where's the vids??? Am I the only on who owns a go pro....

[ZOSICK]

That car is actually a personal friend of mine. He lives in Gainesville, Fl. Its just a basic H/C/I bolt ons set up no power adder. I can post up pics of my t/a's. I will talk to him. The problem he has is that when the tires bite, $hit breaks. He has the motor/tranny built but the rear end is stock except for gears. He would most likely do a 60-160. Also, the issue of police. He wouldnt want to do this with alot of people around. Maybe head out to a local meet and then the two of you go somewhere.
Thought it was your uncles...... ?!?!?!

So it's a xxxhp 800tq car motor only ...? I'm calling bs...

Again your statement of " when he hooks up he breaks shit" he must be spprying the dumb way... my neighbor launches hard on drag radials with his rt10 with stock trans an axles an it has 800hp.....and I also have stock axles... Its Called feathering the throttle....

Sounds like he's backing out ...... But I will run his ricer 60 roll to 160 no problem I don't even have to shift but once :)

[geoff]

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[geoff]

Thought it was your uncles...... ?!?!?!

So it's a xxxhp 800tq car motor only ...? I'm calling bs...

Again your statement of " when he hooks up he breaks shit" my neighbor launches hard on drag radials with his rt10 with stock trans an axles an 800hp.....and I also have stock axle.. Called feather the throttle....
Sounds like he's backing out ...... But I will run his 60 roll to 160 no problem I don't even have to shift but once

The viper is my uncle's car. His car dynoed 837rwhp and 790rwtq @12 or 15psi. If you knew how a supercharger worked.....you would realize that the power is instant...the car makes like 750tq @ 2500rpm or something crazy like that. The Black Trans Am I started the thread for belongs to a personal friend of mine. We can set something up with my uncle. Like i said, there are certain criteria that has to be met so it is "safe"

[ZOSICK]

The viper is my uncle's car. His car dynoed 837rwhp and 790rwtq @12 or 15psi. If you knew how a supercharger worked.....you would realize that the power is instant...the car makes like 750tq @ 2500rpm or something crazy like that. The Black Trans Am I started the thread for belongs to a personal friend of mine. We can set something up with my uncle. Like i said, there are certain criteria that has to be met so it is "safe"

Oh I see , ya the blk on blk I like of course on Ta ...

But I wouldnt know anything about supercharges no.. Seeing I've had 1 turbo, 4 blown, and 5 nitrous cars :) ...

[geoff]

Commerce opens up in a few weeks. you two could run there from a dig....interested?

[geoff]

March 2nd. Atlanta dragway..... YearOne Fast Friday "Legal" Street Racing. March 3rd: Open Test & Tune 9am - 5pm (Weather Permitting

[ZOSICK]

They won't let me run my non cadged street car at a non payed track day...

I refuse to put a cage and accessories for a high 10 sec pass a few times a year on my dd street car....

But I will run him on the track at my track day its at Reynolds ga track and u run whatever u brung!! April 28 th I'll run him on the track for a Lil $$$ or his ricer roll for a gas tank or let him sign in an say he is skurd of a 2005 c6 6 speed with 19"" wheels

[geoff]

He doesnt have a cage either....does it really take more than one run to prove whos car is faster?

[ZOSICK]

1 run is plenty but for free not worth it!!! We can run as many runs as he wants on the street for whatever $ or run the track for same I ant skurd

[ZOSICK]

And Ive won the year one fast fri fastest street car mph :) just sayn

[ZOSICK]

He doesnt have a cage either....does it really take more than one run to prove whos car is faster?

DID you ask him if he wants to run from whatever mph he wants on the street?

Or our rented track day in april for some $$

anyvids of his car since mines out there on youtube ?

[ZOSICK]

DID you ask him if he wants to run from whatever mph he wants on the street?

Or our rented track day in april for some $$

anyvids of his car since mines out there on youtube ?

??????

[Elbow]

It's all Fast and the Furious up in here.

[DeeAOne]

I will decimate all come this season. If you aren't running 11's don't even talk to me. :ninja:

[ZOSICK]

I will decimate all come this season. If you aren't running 11's don't even talk to me. :ninja:

seriously lol

[DeeAOne]

Damn right. Hope you are ready to see your first pair of 323 tail lights.

[ZOSICK]

Damn right. Hope you are ready to see your first pair of 323 tail lights.

No ive seen one when taking my scrap metal to the junk yard....lol

Dont be writing cks you cant cash ....

[DeeAOne]

This guy. Guess I'll just have to hurt another vette owners feelings. Lol

For real though, I'd be happy with a low 12. Rofl

[boosted347]

This guy. Guess I'll just have to hurt another vette owners feelings. Lol

For real though, I'd be happy with a low 12. Rofl

Wanna race :ninja:

[DeeAOne]

Wanna race :ninja:

S13 vs S13? Lol

The 323 isn't ready yet. I still need a bunch of stuff for the build. I was going to try to run the setup on stock bottom end but I don't think the rods will hold 10.5:1 plus boost. Lol might be changing it up a bit.

[boosted347]

S13 vs S13? Lol

The 323 isn't ready yet. I still need a bunch of stuff for the build. I was going to try to run the setup on stock bottom end but I don't think the rods will hold 10.5:1 plus boost. Lol might be changing it up a bit.

Ha are we pushing said s13s? Soon the day will come when the coupe makes it appearance. And get to it, i love the little mazda, you would never expect anything from it lol

[ZOSICK]

The viper is my uncle's car. His car dynoed 837rwhp and 790rwtq @12 or 15psi. If you knew how a supercharger worked.....you would realize that the power is instant...the car makes like 750tq @ 2500rpm or something crazy like that. The Black Trans Am I started the thread for belongs to a personal friend of mine. We can set something up with my uncle. Like i said, there are certain criteria that has to be met so it is "safe"


He doesnt have a cage either....does it really take more than one run to prove whos car is faster?

Hey man what up with the viper....

[Nismo]

shut up douche

[Deke]

:jerkit: