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He makes $57,000 a Day ...

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He makes $57,000 a Day ...

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285x what i make in a day.

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So?

[Vteckidd]

i really dont get the big deal, Obama was a MILLIONAIRE long before he ever even ran for office, Romney is a couple hundred millionaire, do we hate success all of the sudden?

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Makes just a little more than me. Later, QD.

[Browning151]

i really dont get the big deal, Obama was a MILLIONAIRE long before he ever even ran for office, Romney is a couple hundred millionaire, do we hate success all of the sudden?

Only if it's in the form of business men. If it's celebrities or athletes it's no big deal.

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Everyone is saying that he made like 30 mil last year, but he only paid 13% income tax which is very very low.

[Vteckidd]

Everyone is saying that he made like 30 mil last year, but he only paid 13% income tax which is very very low.

which shows how utterly fucking confused you are.

INCOME TAXES is NOT THE SAME AS CAPITAL GAINS

INCOME TAX is the tax you pay on INCOME (IE MONEY YOU EARN FROM A JOB, SALARY)
CAPITAL GAINS TAX is the tax you pay on PROFIT you make in the stock market or other investments. It has ALREADY BEEN TAXED .

If you want to pay 15% in taxes like Romney, all you have to do is INVEST YOUR MONEY LIKE HE DOES , and IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT, because its not guaranteed , you will only pay 15% in taxes on that PROFIT.

[Browning151]

Everyone is saying that he made like 30 mil last year, but he only paid 13% income tax which is very very low.


Do you know what your effective tax rate is?

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Fuckers like this asshole are making to much damn money its not jealousy its just unfair !!

[Vteckidd]

Let me simplify it for you, and please feel free to share it with everyone else you know:

Lets just say for arguments sake you make 100,000 a year and are taxed 35% on that INCOME. This is income you make from your JOB.

Your tax liability is $35,000(35% of 100k=$35,000 to the IRS). You now have $65,000 left over to do whatever you want RIGHT(100k- $35000=65000)? SO you decide to invest $50,000 of it in JOHNS DILDO COMPANY (JDC). JDC goes through the roof and lucky for you, you make $50,000 on your $50,000 investment (DOUBLING YOUR MONEY!).

So when you withdraw that $50,000 out in profit you made from an amazing quarter of dildo sales, they (the IRS) reward you with a LOWER tax rate since you chose to invest your already 35% TAXED dollars in the economy. (THANKS DUDE!). That tax rate is 15%. So , you get to keep $42500 of the $50k you just earned from investing.

Now lets say you take that $42,500 you walk away with after taxes ($50,000 - $7500) and you use that to live on the next year. Youre still drawing a salary like always ($100k taxed at 35%). BUt you just save the $65k. You live on the $42,00, and keep investing it. Lets say you keep investing in this wonderful dildo company, and it keeps paying you enormous (no pun) returns. You decide "hey, im pretty good at this whole investing in sex toys thing, who needs to work!".

You quit your $100k a year job, and continue investing.

So, do you go around and tell people "i only paid 15% in taxes last year?"


Well, now you can, because since youre a smart guy, and you seem to be able to do well in the stock market, you can live off your investment returns which are only taxed at 15%.

But your original investment, which was the $50,000, was taxed at 35%, so , you already paid your "fair share"

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Let me simplify it for you, and please feel free to share it with everyone else you know:

Lets just say for arguments sake you make 100,000 a year and are taxed 35% on that INCOME. This is income you make from your JOB.

Your tax liability is $35,000(35% of 100k=$35,000 to the IRS). You now have $65,000 left over to do whatever you want RIGHT(100k- $35000=65000)? SO you decide to invest $50,000 of it in JOHNS DILDO COMPANY (JDC). JDC goes through the roof and lucky for you, you make $50,000 on your $50,000 investment (DOUBLING YOUR MONEY!).

So when you withdraw that $50,000 out in profit you made from an amazing quarter of dildo sales, they (the IRS) reward you with a LOWER tax rate since you chose to invest your already 35% TAXED dollars in the economy. (THANKS DUDE!). That tax rate is 15%. So , you get to keep $7500 of the $50k you just earned from investing.

Now lets say you take that $42,500 you walk away with after taxes ($50,000 - $7500) and you use that to live on the next year. Youre still drawing a salary like always ($100k taxed at 35%). BUt you just save the $65k. You live on the $42,00, and keep investing it. Lets say you keep investing in this wonderful dildo company, and it keeps paying you enormous (no pun) returns. You decide "hey, im pretty good at this whole investing in sex toys thing, who needs to work!".

You quit your $100k a year job, and continue investing.

So, do you go around and tell people "i only paid 15% in taxes last year?"


Well, now you can, because since youre a smart guy, and you seem to be able to do well in the stock market, you can live off your investment returns which are only taxed at 15%.

But your original investment, which was the $50,000, was taxed at 35%, so , you already paid your "fair share"

We are talking $57k a day not a year and i pretty damn sure 75% of this money is not accounted for and sits in his fat pockets. Also if he chooses to invest in a company or shares and it should do good id expect that to be properly taxed not give him a break. The government do't give everyday citizens a break when they choose to gamble with their money if they should win.

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Fuckers like this asshole are making to much damn money its not jealousy its just unfair !!

hope that was a joke , because if not, youre obviously too dumb to make any real money.

Hes rich because he invested his money and made a profit. NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. YOu could invest $1000 in a company that could make you a millionaire overnight. or you could lose EVERYTHING.

He took a risk and it worked for him, you can go do anything he has already done.

FAIR? Life isnt FAIR. Capitalism isnt designed to be FAIR. its designed those who work hard, and EARN their wealth.

You either can go out an EARN your wealth, or you can be jealous of someone elses.

[Vteckidd]

We are talking $57k a day not a year

WHat he makes A DAY is IRRELEVANT. He has A LOT OF MONEY, SO HIS RETURNS ARE MORE.

Albert Pujols makes $68,000 PER DAY for the next 20 years of his life. SO WHAT , HE EARNED IT.




and i pretty damn sure 75% of this money is not accounted for and sits in his fat pockets.

He released his tax statements, hes not hiding anything. His money is accounted for the IRS knows where it is and what hes doing with it. So youre wrong.


Also if he chooses to invest in a company or shares and it should do good id expect that to be properly taxed not give him a break.
It is properly taxed, the IRS and CONGRESS wrote the law, hes paying EXACTLY WHAT HE SHOULD BE PAYING. SO does OBAMA, SO DOES WARREN BUFFET, SO DOES ANYONE ELSE.

dEFINE PROPERLY TAXED? SO you wanna eliminate capital gains taxes and just tax ANY INCOME WHAT SO EVER off of the 35% rate? Thats the most RETARDED THING I HAVE EVER HEARD OF.

People invest their money, TO MAKE MONEY *GASP!*. What if you raise the taxes and everyone decides NOT to invest their money. What if romney decides NOT to invest his 100 million dollars and just stick it in a bank account? Our economy would collapse, and youd have no job.



The government do't give everyday citizens a break when they choose to gamble with their money if they should win.
what the fuck are you talking about?
yes they do, you obviously have zero clue what you are talking about. The SAME RULES ROMNEY PLAyS BY APPLY TO YOU. IF YOU INVEST YOUR MONEY, YOU PAY THE SAME RATE ROMNEY DOES.

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hope that was a joke , because if not, youre obviously too dumb to make any real money.

Hes rich because he invested his money and made a profit. NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. YOu could invest $1000 in a company that could make you a millionaire overnight. or you could lose EVERYTHING.

He took a risk and it worked for him, you can go do anything he has already done.

FAIR? Life isnt FAIR. Capitalism isnt designed to be FAIR. its designed those who work hard, and EARN their wealth.

You either can go out an EARN your wealth, or you can be jealous of someone elses.

Since im not in politics i could invest in something for a profit and soon as i got any invested money back the IRS would be up my ass.
He only has the money he does due to his position and how he sits. I wanna see how much un earned income/profits money he has thats not taxed.

[Vteckidd]

Since im not in politics i could invest in something for a profit and soon as i got any invested money back the IRS would be up my ass.
He only has the money he does due to his position and how he sits.

youre just ignorant. Seriously, you sound like you have the education of a 3rd grader.

Politics has nothing to do with it. If you take your ENTIRE PAYCHECK and call up ETRADE or whoever and invest your money TODAY, and monday you sell all the stock you bought today and MADE $1000, the IRS wouldnt be "UP YOUR ASS" for anything as long as you paid the 15% taxes on your profit, which is called CAPITAL GAINS.

He has money because he ran a successful company for 25 years (BAIN CAPITAL) and make smart investments with his money. HE did SO WELL, he LIVES off his investments now (dividends).

Youre angry for all the wrong reasons. YOU TOO CAN BE JUST AS SUCCESSFUL AS HIM if you do what he did.

[Vteckidd]

You guys , i really dont know what it is. YOu either dont WANT TO LEARN, or you are too stupid to learn. How do you think people pay taxes? You think Romney just arbitrarily picks a number out of his ass and pays it?

NO! There are laws written and he has to follow them. If he doesnt, hes screwed. The fact he has a TON OF WEALTH is IRRELEVANT. His tax rate is "lower" because like most MILLIONAIRES, they can invest large sums of money and live off the interest or the capital gains lower tax rates. There is nothing wrong with that.

you cant compare average citizens making $60,000 a year to a guy making 100 million because the guy with 100 million can take FAR MORE RISKS than the guy with 60,000

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Albert Pujols makes $68,000 PER DAY for the next 20 years of his life. SO WHAT , HE EARNED IT.

Pujols makes about $157,000/day. On the ten year contract he signed. Later, QD.

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Pujols makes about $157,000/day. On the ten year contract he signed. Later, QD.

wrong. I meant to say 10 years. But you are quoting PER GAME figures.


Breaking down Albert Pujols' salary

Pujols is due to make an average of $25.4 million each year, which breaks down as follows:
Pujols salary...

per calendar day - $69,589.04
per hour - $2,899.54
per minute - $48.32
per second - $0.80
per regular season game - $156,790
per plate appearance (average of 676 PA per season) - $37,573.96
per pitch (average of 2,467 pitches per year) - $10,295.91

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wrong. I meant to say 10 years. But you are quoting PER GAME figures.


Breaking down Albert Pujols' salary

Pujols is due to make an average of $25.4 million each year, which breaks down as follows:
Pujols salary...

per calendar day - $69,589.04
per hour - $2,899.54
per minute - $48.32
per second - $0.80
per regular season game - $156,790
per plate appearance (average of 676 PA per season) - $37,573.96
per pitch (average of 2,467 pitches per year) - $10,295.91

All all that money he will get for the next 10 years of his life regardless of whether he swings a baseball bat or not

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And guess what, as long as they keep giving out mega contracts which aren't based on actual performance, ticket prices will continue to rise, ticket sales will continue to decline, and I predict we'll see a bubble pop in the sports industry in about 10-15 yrs

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But you are quoting PER GAME figures.

Exactly. Which makes me right seeing as how he doesn't play 365 days a year.

But I know this is neither here nor there for the topic. Later, QD.

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And guess what, as long as they keep giving out mega contracts which aren't based on actual performance, ticket prices will continue to rise, ticket sales will continue to decline, and I predict we'll see a bubble pop in the sports industry in about 10-15 yrs

not really because they are continuing to make money. Ticket prices may go up, but people are still buying it. TV contracts are increasing, apparel sales are at an all time high, etc.

Theres really no bubble because nothing is being overvalued. Bubble popping means there is something being hidden maliciously.

The only thing that could happen is if people suddenly stopped going to games, but if that happened , salaries would be the last thingto worry about

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not really because they are continuing to make money. Ticket prices may go up, but people are still buying it. TV contracts are increasing, apparel sales are at an all time high, etc.

Theres really no bubble because nothing is being overvalued. Bubble popping means there is something being hidden maliciously.

The only thing that could happen is if people suddenly stopped going to games, but if that happened , salaries would be the last thingto worry about

I hope the peoples income increases then whats the good of having Sports or Apparel etc.. If no one can afford it.

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All all that money he will get for the next 10 years of his life regardless of whether he swings a baseball bat or not

yeah it was all guaranteed and no trade clause but im sure there HAS to be a health clause somewhere. If he breaks his neck tomorrow there is no way they could be dumb enough to pay him that much money.

The most rediculous thing is that when hes 40 years old they will STILL OWE HIM 25million a year. They better make so much money its rediculous because in the out years of his contract hes going to really cost them

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I hope the peoples income increases then whats the good of having Sports or Apparel etc.. If no one can afford it.

again you make a rediculous statement that i have no idea what you mean.

obviously people can afford it, they are selling stuff everywhere. Jerseys, shoes, tshirts whatever. i have Hawks tickets but a hawks hoodie is $80, thats rediculous, but every game i go to someone is buying one lol

its not that i cant afford it, its just that i think its a waste of money.

the reason teams keep awarding huge contracts is because sports as a whole is growing exponentially. the money is there, despite the recession

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again you make a rediculous statement that i have no idea what you mean.

obviously people can afford it, they are selling stuff everywhere. Jerseys, shoes, tshirts whatever. i have Hawks tickets but a hawks hoodie is $80, thats rediculous, but every game i go to someone is buying one lol

its not that i cant afford it, its just that i think its a waste of money.

the reason teams keep awarding huge contracts is because sports as a whole is growing exponentially. the money is there, despite the recession
Id love to even be able to afford or think about a ticket to an event my last damn worry is to buy the team logo or not.

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the money is there, despite the recession

And this is what is killing professional sports. Later, QD.

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I wanna see how much un earned income/profits money he has thats not taxed.

Your reading comprehension is terribly poor. He released his tax records, it's all out there in the open in front of everyone. It's been gone through by god knows how many people now and every single one of them says all of his income is there, properly documented and taxed.

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Your reading comprehension is terribly poor. He released his tax records, it's all out there in the open in front of everyone. It's been gone through by god knows how many people now and every single one of them says all of his income is there, properly documented and taxed.
lol everyone says his income is there riiiiight.....If he should find a lotto ticket for $50 and didn't report it thats un earned income no will ever know about so its things like this that always makes it possible to happen. He throws a little cash at donations and lends to companies he gets all the money behind the back transactions he wants.

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not really because they are continuing to make money. Ticket prices may go up, but people are still buying it. TV contracts are increasing, apparel sales are at an all time high, etc.

Theres really no bubble because nothing is being overvalued. Bubble popping means there is something being hidden maliciously.

The only thing that could happen is if people suddenly stopped going to games, but if that happened , salaries would be the last thingto worry about

We paid Tim Hudson some ridiculous salary, he pitched a good solid two years and then sat on the bench, counting his money the rest of the time. Pujols, Lincecum, Big Papi, all got mega contracts which have to be paid regardless if they have a bad ass blowout season or 10 shitty seasons in a row. By bubble I mean nosebleed seats will be $120, hot dogs will be $20 bucks. Your average person won't be able to afford to go to the game and will have to watch it on TV.

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Your average person won't be able to afford to go to the game and will have to watch it on TV.
Already at that point for me and many people i know :(

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lol everyone says his income is there riiiiight.....If he should find a lotto ticket for $50 and didn't report it thats un earned income no will ever know about so its things like this that always makes it possible to happen. He throws a little cash at donations and lends to companies he gets all the money behind the back transactions he wants.

$50? Are you really that dense that you're worried about Mitt Romney not reporting a $50 lottery ticket as income?

A little cash at donations? He donates nearly 15% of his income to charity, as much as he pays in taxes, I'd hardly call that a little cash.

What the hell is this "he gets all the money behind the back transactions he wants." Supposed to mean?

You really want to bitch about people not paying their taxes?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/federal-employees-owe-103-billion-in-unpaid-taxes/2012/01/20/gIQAv7KKJQ_blog.html

[Vteckidd]

We paid Tim Hudson some ridiculous salary, he pitched a good solid two years and then sat on the bench, counting his money the rest of the time. Pujols, Lincecum, Big Papi, all got mega contracts which have to be paid regardless if they have a bad ass blowout season or 10 shitty seasons in a row. By bubble I mean nosebleed seats will be $120, hot dogs will be $20 bucks. Your average person won't be able to afford to go to the game and will have to watch it on TV.

i think professional sports knows the REAL FANS arent the ones buying $100 nosebleeds. Itll be hard for them to turn their back on those people because the extreme wealthy really dont care about sports as much as the blue collar people.

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Already at that point for me and many people i know :(

Fatality, sporting events are VERY cheap, i bought tickets to the Hawks last weekend for $10 a seat for some friends who wanted to go, and they say right next to my lower level season tickets seats because it wasnt sold out. the next cheapest was $35 for upper deck. you could sit below for around $45-55.

Braves tickets are routinely $10-20 for outfield seats.

The only truly EXPENSIVE tickets are the falcons i would say. They run $95 for nosebleeds.

Personally there isnt a bad seat at Phillips are The GA DOME or Turner field. Ive sat from courtside to the outfield, its always a good view.

If you cant afford $10-35 for tickets, then you need a new profession honestly.

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$50? Are you really that dense that you're worried about Mitt Romney not reporting a $50 lottery ticket as income?

A little cash at donations? He donates nearly 15% of his income to charity, as much as he pays in taxes, I'd hardly call that a little cash.

What the hell is this "he gets all the money behind the back transactions he wants." Supposed to mean?

You really want to bitch about people not paying their taxes?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/federal-employees-owe-103-billion-in-unpaid-taxes/2012/01/20/gIQAv7KKJQ_blog.html

The lotto ticket was just an example of how money can be un reported. Did you see the receipts or vouchers from his Donations and amount paid ?

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I'm always amazed when extremely wealthy people get caught for tax evasion (a la Wesley Snipes). If you got that much money, why take the risk of going to jail just for a little bit more? The thought of Romney hiding 50 dollars of income so he doesn't have to pay taxes on it is pretty funny though.

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Fatality, sporting events are VERY cheap, i bought tickets to the Hawks last weekend for $10 a seat for some friends who wanted to go, and they say right next to my lower level season tickets seats because it wasnt sold out. the next cheapest was $35 for upper deck. you could sit below for around $45-55.

Braves tickets are routinely $10-20 for outfield seats.

The only truly EXPENSIVE tickets are the falcons i would say. They run $95 for nosebleeds.

Personally there isnt a bad seat at Phillips are The GA DOME or Turner field. Ive sat from courtside to the outfield, its always a good view.

If you cant afford $10-35 for tickets, then you need a new profession honestly.
Last time i was there or checked it was a little more than $10 for even cheap seats then after the Travel cost and drink,snack etc...Family Priorities do come first.
Now if i was baller like some or didn't have a family to think about it would be different.

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We paid Tim Hudson some ridiculous salary, he pitched a good solid two years and then sat on the bench, counting his money the rest of the time. Pujols, Lincecum, Big Papi, all got mega contracts which have to be paid regardless if they have a bad ass blowout season or 10 shitty seasons in a row. By bubble I mean nosebleed seats will be $120, hot dogs will be $20 bucks. Your average person won't be able to afford to go to the game and will have to watch it on TV.

manning got paid 30 million for not taking a snap, but the colts can release him, Pujols contract hAS to be written that way. I would hope so......

The problem is injuries are part of the game, so i dont have a problem with a guy like manning, who has played so many seasons and already proved his worht getting paid for being out. Because he plays the game is why he got injured.

but, i do see your point. when you have guys who like Grant Hill cost people huge sums of money for playing less than 50% of his career

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Can't we all agree any sports player is well over payed ? Hell if you like the game enough you will play it for 1/4 of what you make.

[Vteckidd]

Last time i was there or checked it was a little more than $10 for even cheap seats then after the Travel cost and drink,snack etc...Family Priorities do come first.
Now if i was baller like some or didn't have a family to think about it would be different.

Its $12 to park?

I mean you can get chick fil a family night tickets for $25 for 4 people????? Seriously not being a dick, but if youre a family of 4 and want to go to a game, $100 is very CHEAP.

i understand though, some things are more important, but games are really not overly expensive if it fits your budget. Anyone making a decent salary can go.

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Anyone making a decent salary can go.
Yep right there......I'm gonna subpoena you Kidd, lets see your Taxes lol

[Vteckidd]

Can't we all agree any sports player is well over payed ? Hell if you like the game enough you will play it for 1/4 of what you make.

define overpaid.

They are the best at what they do, so they should be paid accordingly. The teams evaluate ticket sales, food sales, advertising, all kinds of factors to determine how much they can afford to pay a player, and then decide what that player is worth. Some are worth the money, some dont pan out.

but as long as the teams are making money, i wouldnt say overpaid. Overpaid would be someone that is causing a business to go bankrupt because paying their salary makes them uncompetitive with the other "teams".......................like GM workers :P

If every team had a "albert pujols" for $10 million a year, then yes, the Angels "overpaid him". But hes arguably the best player of the last 10 years, so he gets paid a lot of money.

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Yep right there......I'm gonna subpoena you Kidd, lets see your Taxes lol

what do you do for a living? How old are you?

I pay around 16% federal income a year, but im 10-99 so its different.

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what do you do for a living? How old are you?

I pay around 16% federal income a year, but im 10-99 so its different.
At the moment looking for work cause recession took mine and 27

[Vteckidd]

what are you skills? what job you looking for?

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what are you skills? what job you looking for?
All ive ever had is Construction and very little warehouse.....

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Anyone else see this lastnight, Sharpton trips me up lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnvaM-AWaT4

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This thread made me laugh. The jealousy of wealthy people in this country is out of control.



Oh, and the whole Warren Buffett secretary thing has also been debunked. She would have to qualify as one of Obama's super rich (more than 250k annual earnings) to have a higher effective tax rate than Mitt Romney.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/01/how-rich-is-warren-buffetts-secretary/252056/

This is a pretty good article that spells out the mystery and lies propogated by Buffett and Obama.

[Vteckidd]

Anyone else see this lastnight, Sharpton trips me up lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnvaM-AWaT4

Sharpton is retarded. Hes saying "If my completely wrong and misrepresented facts are true, is it fair".

Sharpton is misleading the public.

The average american pays 30% in taxes? LOL no they dont. the average american pays %15.

Is it fair? is what fair? Is it fair that Romney pays 35% in taxes PLUS the 15% capital gains?

you cant discuss fairness, when you lie about what people are paying. SHarpton is saying that Romney Only pays 14% and thats SO MUCH lower than everyone else. Hes completely ignoring the 35% he ORIGINALLY PAID on the money when it was taxed first.

In allreality, Romney pays more like 50% in taxes (35% TOP INCOME BRACKET + 15% IN CAPITAL GAINS).

Sharpton also got in trouble for not paying HIS taxes, so i dont think hes a qualified source

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define overpaid.

The teams evaluate ticket sales, food sales, advertising, all kinds of factors to determine how much they can afford to pay a player, and then decide what that player is worth. Some are worth the money, some dont pan out.

Right here, Mike. It really boils down to the fans fault that sports personnel are paid so much. I agree with the "overpaid" term. I can afford to go to sporting events, but I don't because it's not worth the money to me. I could not justify paying $70 (for decent seats) to see a baseball game. Countless people probably think the same thing about players being paid so much. Yet no one will take a stand against it. If all the fans would actually act accordingly, these team owners might reconsider their stance. You have these athletes that want to quit playing because their $2mil/game salary isn't enough to feed their lifestyle. If fans would stop going to games, stop buying merchandise and stop monetarily supporting the teams, prices would come down. It's really sad, too, because most of the players aren't playing for the love of the game. Their playing for the love of the contract. Later, QD.

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Right here, Mike. It really boils down to the fans fault that sports personnel are paid so much. I agree with the "overpaid" term. I can afford to go to sporting events, but I don't because it's not worth the money to me. I could not justify paying $70 (for decent seats) to see a baseball game. Countless people probably think the same thing about players being paid so much. Yet no one will take a stand against it. If all the fans would actually act accordingly, these team owners might reconsider their stance. You have these athletes that want to quit playing because their $2mil/game salary isn't enough to feed their lifestyle. If fans would stop going to games, stop buying merchandise and stop monetarily supporting the teams, prices would come down. It's really sad, too, because most of the players aren't playing for the love of the game. Their playing for the love of the contract. Later, QD.

youre half right.

YOu dont see value in it, but too many people still do. I sympathize with you because some games are just astronomical to go see. I bought tickets to see the braves vs yankees, because the braves had a holiday pack deal. 5 games, 2 tickets to each game. I got lower level 1st base side seats for $42 a seat for the Yankees and Cardinals. THe other 3 games i chose $17 seats because i dont even really care if i go to those games (brewers, phillies, and i forget the last ones).

It came out to around $240 for 2 seats, for 5 games. It was cheaper to buy 5 games worth of tickets to get the lower level seats for the yankees than it was for just buying 2 yankees tickets alone (Estimates are the seats will be around $200+ for anything lower level for yankees).

ive paid as high as $300 for NFC Semi Championship game last year. id never do it again.

If you look around you can find really good deals you just have to look. I dont recall tickets ever being much cheaper than they are now. I think the lower levels have probably increased, but if you arent willing to pay for them now, you werent paying for them 10 years ago either

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the second part is about athletes being paid money.

I do not fault them at all. In every profession in the world we encourage people to better themselves and to make more money..........except profssional sports where its looked down on.

If you are the BEST basketball/football/baseball player, why SHOULDNT you be paid the best. THe best doctors get paid the best, same with lawyers, financial people, IT people, whatever.

As long as the teams can justify the salaries, they will spend the money to attract the talent. Any other business does the same thing.

Lebron James had a 99 million dollar contract at 18 years old from NIKE, he could have retired at 25 and never touched a basketball again. But he wants to win, so yeah money plays a factor, it always does, but very few people do things based "solely" on money.

If you want to make them make less money , then fans would have to support less, watch less games on TV (which is where most of the revenue comes from), buy less marketing apparel whatever.

but that doesnt make much sense to me

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youre half right.

YOu dont see value in it, but too many people still do. I sympathize with you because some games are just astronomical to go see. I bought tickets to see the braves vs yankees, because the braves had a holiday pack deal. 5 games, 2 tickets to each game. I got lower level 1st base side seats for $42 a seat for the Yankees and Cardinals. THe other 3 games i chose $17 seats because i dont even really care if i go to those games (brewers, phillies, and i forget the last ones).

It came out to around $240 for 2 seats, for 5 games. It was cheaper to buy 5 games worth of tickets to get the lower level seats for the yankees than it was for just buying 2 yankees tickets alone (Estimates are the seats will be around $200+ for anything lower level for yankees).

ive paid as high as $300 for NFC Semi Championship game last year. id never do it again.

If you look around you can find really good deals you just have to look. I dont recall tickets ever being much cheaper than they are now. I think the lower levels have probably increased, but if you arent willing to pay for them now, you werent paying for them 10 years ago either

I like to keep things around that I spend good money on. A game isn't a tangible item. I also don't see spending big money to go to games that have significance just for the "I was there" factor. Who cares if someone was there? That person is still that person. You know? I don't mind paying $30 for a game, but a bit more than that and I'll have to say no.

As far as sporting events being at it's cheapest, you must have never been to games in the 80s and 90s. I remember going to damn near every Braves games throughout the 80s for about $15 a pop. For almost dugout seats.


the second part is about athletes being paid money.

I do not fault them at all. In every profession in the world we encourage people to better themselves and to make more money..........except profssional sports where its looked down on.

If you are the BEST basketball/football/baseball player, why SHOULDNT you be paid the best. THe best doctors get paid the best, same with lawyers, financial people, IT people, whatever.

As long as the teams can justify the salaries, they will spend the money to attract the talent. Any other business does the same thing.

Lebron James had a 99 million dollar contract at 18 years old from NIKE, he could have retired at 25 and never touched a basketball again. But he wants to win, so yeah money plays a factor, it always does, but very few people do things based "solely" on money.

If you want to make them make less money , then fans would have to support less, watch less games on TV (which is where most of the revenue comes from), buy less marketing apparel whatever.

but that doesnt make much sense to me

I don't look at the fault being the players wanting more. Who wouldn't. It's the "I'm going home if I don't get my way" mentality that I don't like. I need $80mil a year now because I have 20,000 Ferraris to upkeep. The part that's sad is the people that actually matter in this world getting paid shit, you know? Teachers, police and any other public service member. Hell doctors get good salaries, but they save lives and make millions of dollars less. It's a shame. But that's just how it is now. Later, QD.

[Browning151]

I don't look at the fault being the players wanting more. Who wouldn't. It's the "I'm going home if I don't get my way" mentality that I don't like. I need $80mil a year now because I have 20,000 Ferraris to upkeep. The part that's sad is the people that actually matter in this world getting paid shit, you know? Teachers, police and any other public service member. Hell doctors get good salaries, but they save lives and make millions of dollars less. It's a shame. But that's just how it is now. Later, QD.

I'll jump in on the sports side of things. I can certainly see where you're coming from, there are quite a few athletes with the "I deserve $xxx" mentality which is annoying, but part of the driving force behind that is that the fans support it through tickets/merchandise/TV etc. The only way that will change is when fans refuse to pay the prices for those things to support those salaries. Most Americans are far more concerned with who wins the World Series/Superbowl/American Idol than they are with whats going on in Washington, so I don't see that changing anytime soon, sadly. As far as the people that actually matter getting paid less, I can completely agree there. There was a time in this country that skilled trade jobs were highly regarded and those people were looked up to, now those jobs are looked down upon and if you don't have a college degree making 6 figures you're regarded as somewhat of "failure" so to speak. I really like what Mike Rowe had to say on that subject:


http://youtu.be/3h_pp8CHEQ0

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Well if he earned it he earned it. The problem isn't that he's rich, it's that he's an arrogant small minded asshole.

[Vteckidd]

Well if he earned it he earned it. The problem isn't that he's rich, it's that he's an arrogant small minded asshole.

Who??

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Who??
I thought he was talking about you for a second then said nah couldnt be lol

[Julio]

I like to keep things around that I spend good money on. A game isn't a tangible item. I also don't see spending big money to go to games that have significance just for the "I was there" factor. Who cares if someone was there? That person is still that person. You know? I don't mind paying $30 for a game, but a bit more than that and I'll have to say no.

As far as sporting events being at it's cheapest, you must have never been to games in the 80s and 90s. I remember going to damn near every Braves games throughout the 80s for about $15 a pop. For almost dugout seats.



I don't look at the fault being the players wanting more. Who wouldn't. It's the "I'm going home if I don't get my way" mentality that I don't like. I need $80mil a year now because I have 20,000 Ferraris to upkeep. The part that's sad is the people that actually matter in this world getting paid shit, you know? Teachers, police and any other public service member. Hell doctors get good salaries, but they save lives and make millions of dollars less. It's a shame. But that's just how it is now. Later, QD.


I think teachers in this country should not be paid a dime more then what they are currently getting payed.. Our education system is not that great.. They want more money, but my kid is still a dumbass.. Weird.. Just saying..

If an athlete is putting butts on seats.. Let them get paid. They deserve it.

And Romney is a bad ass.

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I think teachers in this country should not be paid a dime more then what they are currently getting payed.. Our education system is not that great.. They want more money, but my kid is still a dumbass.. Weird.. Just saying..

If an athlete is putting butts on seats.. Let them get paid. They deserve it.

And Romney is a bad ass.
Teachers want more money to have to put up with our smartass mouth kids these days and for taking chances of getting shot IMO.

Athletes get paid to play in their minds so they should stand not sit lol

Lastly i can't believe you like Romney is it cause Gingrich is racist?

[Browning151]

Teachers want more money to have to put up with our smartass mouth kids these days and for taking chances of getting shot IMO.

Smartass kids comes down to parents not giving a shit, plain and simple.


Athletes get paid to play in their minds so they should stand not sit lol

What?


Lastly i can't believe you like Romney is it cause Gingrich is racist?

and again, What?

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Teachers want more money to have to put up with our smartass mouth kids these days and for taking chances of getting shot IMO.

Athletes get paid to play the sports they are in so i don't wanna see them sitting down with the pay they get

Lastly i can't believe Julio, thinks Romney is "BadAss" Would he like Gingrich if Gingrich was not racist?

[ISAtlanta300]

I think teachers in this country should not be paid a dime more then what they are currently getting payed.. Our education system is not that great.. They want more money, but my kid is still a dumbass.. Weird.. Just saying.. .

I don't totally agree with that....

If you're kid is a dumbass, how much is it the teacher's fault? If you take your kid out of school, he's still a dumbass. Why not blame the dumbass kid tjat doesn't want to learn or the parents?

Yea I know there are some shitty teachers out there....but have you been to a high school class lately? Lot's of "can't do this, can't do that" to students if they fuck up. Give them extra work and they will spit in your face. Punish them and you may be looking at a lawsuit from the parents.

Back then we would get the paddle in front of class if we fuck around, and I still grew up normal. Weird huh?