Ruiner
11-29-2005, 03:13 PM
Even an HK USP bites it! Would you do this to your gun and still feel confident about it working? :) Never have I been happier with my Glock 23 than I do now. :)
Here is the thread and story from Glock Talk:
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=462537
I think my 21 has proven its durability
For almost 10 years I’ve been abusing and neglecting my Glock 21. A running joke among some friends and I, nothing planned or documented. As I tell people what it has been through, most simply don’t believe me. I wouldn’t either, I guess. If someone told you their Glock has at least 150K rounds through it, and has gone almost 15K rounds with no cleaning or maintenance, would you believe them?
I want to do this so I have documentation, of what has been done, and how it worked. I don’t care about 500rds without a FTE, or FTF. Once it was buried in the mud w/a full mag, and when I dug it out the next day it went bang the first time I pulled the trigger but the weight of all the mud on the slide kept it from cycling. I scraped off most of the mud on my boot and fired the remaining 12 shots without a problem.
I want to know how much can it take and still function. If not function perfectly – what will it take to get running again.
quote: Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
Hey partner, better you than me. I wouldnt do that test on any pistol I've gotta pay for. You do realize of course you're gonna make a $400 gun into a $100 gun? Its all been done already, I'm just going to keep track this time. Heres a pic after around 15K rounds with no cleaning, and being buried in mud etc...
The barrel fouling was amazing, it was basically a smooth bore.
http://www.besthdw.com/test/glockw.jpg
quote: Originally Posted By dubb-1:
quote: Originally Posted By triburst1:
Which of your 1911s are you going to put through the same tests?[http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/wink.gif] I'd vote for Springfield Professional Model.
Be well! Come on over and toss your Pro (video)out the window (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/windowdrop.MPG). Hopefully it will land on my glock instaed of the rocks.
Play Sand
Potting Soil
Baby Powder
1 bucket of water for cleaning
2 buckets for mixing ingredients.
This entire process took place over 45 minutes. The pistol was never field stripped, and the only cleaning was dunking in a bucket of dirty water.
Sand
Boring, but gotta do it. Used play sand, good consistency.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/a_sand1.jpg
Need a little pressure so 10lb sledge was used to slightly pack it in place.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/a_sand2.jpg
shot after buried, loaded, closed slide
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/sand1.mpg)
shot after buried, loaded, slide open
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/sand2.mpg)
Potting soil, a good mix various dirt and junk.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/b_dirt1.jpg
slide open
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/b_dirt2.jpg
shot after buried, loaded, closed slide
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/dirt1.mpg)
shot after buried, loaded, slide open
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/dirt2.mpg)
Baby Powder, fine enough to get into everything.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/c_powder1.jpg
slide open
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/c_powder2.jpg
shot after buried, loaded, closed slide
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/powder1.mpg)
shot after buried, loaded, slide open
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/powder2.mpg)
Mud (potting soil and water)
Nice sticky mess
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/d_mud1.jpg
remember this is from one test to another, it now has sand, dirt, and powder in it.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/d_mud2.jpg
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/d_mud3.jpg
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/d_mud4.jpg
shot after buried, loaded, closed slide - started to get messy.
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/mud1.mpg)
shot after buried, loaded, slide open
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/mud2.mpg)
Rinse time
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/e_rinse.jpg
Paste – Baby powder and water. Stupid idea.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/f_paste1.jpg
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/f_paste2.jpg
shot after paste, didn’t even try it with the slide open.
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/paste.mpg)
Needs a rinse and mag through to help dry. The mag was empty before the water quit pouring out!
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/afterpasterinse.mpg)
Lets dump everything into one bucket and mix it together.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/g_all1.jpg
That’s about the limit
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/all.mpg)
The mag is full of crud, the trigger must be pulling at 20lbs, time to rinse again and see field strip.
I wonder if the stone wedged in the transfer bar had anything to do with the heavy trigger?
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/stripped.jpg
For overnight, it will soak outside in a the rinse water mixed with a dose of rock salt.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltstew.jpg
good night
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltsoak.jpg
I used 1 target for the test, paced 35’ feet away. Not bad considering half the time I couldn’t see the sights. The increased weight of the trigger must have had me pulling to the right.
Need to take more than 1 magazine next time. There were a few times the mag was so full of stuff I only only fit 10 or 11 rounds. I think some of the FTF were partially the mag.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/target.jpg
Originally Posted By M4arc:
Excellent! [};)]
A couple of thoughts:
1) I have a spread sheet that I use to document my G17s history. If you are interested I can send it to you. I have plans to create a PockePC application if you or anyone else is interested.
Too late for that. I'll keep track of rounds fired by the case and post here from now on.
quote: Originally Posted By M4arc:
Excellent! [};)]
2) The same test(s) needs to be performed on another or a couple other types of handguns. Maybe a H&K or a Sig and a 1911. I know Larry Vickers did a similar test a number of years ago but the history of your G21 is simily amazing so I think you'll have a much different result [http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/wink.gif]
Not me. This has been going on for almost 10 years with this piece. [http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif]
Not sure whats next. The large amount of rock salt kept it from freezing out side last night. What would be the best condition for corrosion? Should I leave it outside or bring it in and let it soak? Hos long? The "camera man" from the other pics is convinced the salt will turn the barrel into a rusted mess. We'll see how good the tennifer is.
As a side note - a friend who is a pilot has agreed to take me up this spring and let me throw it out the window of his plane! We'll decide on the height later, but the slowest he said he can go is 65mph.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltysoak.jpg
quote: Originally Posted By M4arc:
Here's another test: gather up dubb-1, Eric and a few other employees and just go out and run a case through it as fast as you all can. Rotate shooters every few mags to give everyone a chance to reload and see how hot you can get it and to see how many FTF/FTE you have in that 1000 rounds. See how:
- Fast you can put a 1000 rounds through it
- How how it will get
- How many failures during that time
Like I said earlier, it would be nice to see a different pistol being subjected to this kind of punishment [http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/wink.gif] Yawn. [http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/wink.gif] Been done 3 or 4 times already. Any(quality) clean pistol, with factory ball ammo should run through 1K rounds like nothing. At this point itd be a waste of $200 IMO [;)]
I'm looking for stuff that hasnt been done, what makes it stop, and can it keap going? Like last night, it was so full of ****, the transfer bar wasnt reseting the striker after firing. After a quick manual cycling and the loss of a round - the next went off. What will make it not function, yet still be usable.
If you want to really analyze the videos from the other day, look at the length of the videos, and the number of shots fired. There were some stops, yet I was still able to get most shots on target.
I'm thinking my next plan will be to start breaking parts myself.
Will if function if the spring cups are shattered?
How much if the striker spring can be cut and still work.
Will it run without an ejector?
I'm still stoked about shooting it without the trigger spring!
I dont care so much about it working, I want to find what makes it stop and how to keep going[http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif>]
Took the glock out of the salt water, and ran 500rds through it. Sorry, would have done 1K, but this was PAINFUL. No cleaning or oil, since the last tests.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/500brass.jpg
I learned I have an aimed rate of fire of 100RPM :-)
Attempted to load several mags at once and blast through one at a time. After the 3rd mag my hand was almost numb, and I had to really hor at holding on. Need to shoot 2 mags rest a couple minutes and shoot 2 more.
partial video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/partial500.mpg)
I dont have room on my server for the whole video, but I think TheRicker may be able to host it later. The spliced together video documents every shot. Count the rounds if you want, I think he caught them all.
Time to stick my hand in a bag of ice.[XX(] Not the smartest thing I've done....
Salt water is nasty. Looks like all the tennifer pieces are fine, but untreated parts didnt stand a chance. I believe the rust on the barrel dripped down from the guide rod and should wipe right off.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltedglock.jpg
quote: Originally Posted By M4arc:
Now run a few hundred through it and retake those pictures! I'm not physically able, my hand is too sore from the other day still. Its just discolored, everything slides, clicks, and sproings just fine. I'm going to clean everything and see what is actually rust and what is just "runoff".
I'll keep those springs until they break[;)]
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltedparts.jpg
Good as new, almost. The Guide rod has pitting dammage, and so does the slide lock but thats the only evidence remaining. The locking block must have tennifer along with all the pins. The sopts on the bottom of the barrel discolored the finish, but the metal is still glass smooth. The other parts must be stainless steel, as it rubbed off, but didnt wipre righ off like the barrel and slide.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/cleanparts.jpg
I finally got a chance to see how it did with bead blasting media. If you have never felt this stuff, its really cool, so small and round, it feels almost like water. Here's a pic of the media used midex with common table salt and a dime
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/beadsize.jpg
I put a few cups in a baggie with the pistol and shook it up good, took it out and shot the rounds I had in the mag. I repeated this three times. The video sucks, as I had to set it up to record by myself.
Bead Media Test (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/beadtest.mpg)
First time no problem, except I got a beads all over my face, so I let it run out a bit on the second. The second time a round failed to feed because the magazine was binding up. The third time, was worthless because I had gotten enough media in the mag to make it useless. The weak spot here was the magazine, the media got in there and had no where to go. A new magazine and I'm sure it would work fine. Not a flawless test, but I cant find the line until I cross it. Again, nothing that a simple field strip and shaking out couldnt fix and back into action.
After I shook it out, I put a handful of play sand in the bag and shook it up. Same old results from every other time it was full of sand. It worked just fine.
Just a .22 pistol 30' away. I didnt expect it to do any damage, if we hit where we were aiming. Hit it 10 times before I lost my nerve and didnt want to risk hitting the frame. One hit the extractor, but didnt hurt anything.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/shotglock.jpg
video of 1st 2 hits (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/glockhits.mpg) pictured above.
quote: Originally Posted By M4arc:
What kind of damage did it do to the finish? Clean it up and post pictures please. I took some degreaser and steel wool to one of the spots. It basicaly rubs right off.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/bulletmarks.jpg
Another stupid idea, but the flat slide seems fitting. hammer (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/hammer.mpg)
Its been boiled before , no ill effect.
ever wonder what the magwell looks like after inserting hundreds of muddy magazines, and forcing mags into a muddy frame?
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/magwell.jpg
Over time the transfer bar and disconnect have worn grooves into each other. I guess that will happen what contacting metal parts are never oiled. This may be the reason for the 8.5lb trigger?
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/disconnect.jpg
And for those who say the plastic mag catch will wear out..... nope, they built it plenty strong too.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/magcatch.jpg
A customer came to me last week with his USP .45 Compact he had just gotten it back from HK who had replaced a broken trigger bar. It has fewer than 1K rounds through it, and is well taken care of. He asked me if I would trust a pistol that broke, and was fixed by the factory. I said no. He asked me to run 500rds through it and see what happened.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/21andUSP.jpg
I took his pistol and 8 magazines, My 21 and 8 magazines, and 1K rounds of ammo.
Both pistols were field stripped and blown completely clean and dry with compressed air.
2 mags were emptied in clean condition to make sure everything was fine.
For the fist comparison I threw a couple handfuls of play sand in a bucket.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/glockuspbuckets.jpg
bucket shake (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/bucketshake.mpg)
I took each pistol, full mag, round in the chamber and shook it in the sand for a few seconds. I did this first with the 21 and it went bang 13 times as expected.
I pulled the USP compact out of the bucket(it was loaded but decocked), pulled the trigger, hammer falls but no bang. I pull the trigger again and still no bang. Not a squib, and not a delay. I cycle the slide and eject the cartridge, but it fails to go into battery. I repeat, while shaking out sand, until the magazine is empty. After removing the slide blowing the frame out with compressed air I repeat the test.
wont lock (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/wontlock.mpg)
Back in the bucket, shake, attempt to shoot – exact same results. Field strip and blow out with compressed air. This was attempted 4 times, with 4 different magazines. The first shot did go off once, but did not lock up for the following round. Again it required fieldstripping to function.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/bucketsandresultsUSP2.jpg
OK, it doesn’t work in sand. For a different twist, I took a UPS mag and a glock mag and threw them in the bucket and shook them up.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/bucketsandmags.jpg
I picked up the 21 mag, loaded the pistol, pulled the trigger 13 times. I then picked up the USP mag, pulled the trigger once and it went bang. The slide failed to close on the second round. Ejecting the 2nd round partially inserted the 3rd but also a bunch of sand. The USP mags have basically a shovel extending for the slide stop, which proved them useless combined with the sand.
Sand is over, time for good old potting soil. Potting soil was basically a repeat of the sand. The USP never went bang once. Even with a round in the chamber, and numerous hammer strikes, nothing.
hammer (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/hammerhits.mpg)
Cycling by hand ejected round, but would not lock up on the following round.
After that we gave up, on the USP and took turns emptying the several full 21 mags.
I’ll return the customers pistol and his 500 rounds. This USP compact went bang every time clean, so it works fine. I would never trust it though, as a carry piece.
***continued in next post ***
Here is the thread and story from Glock Talk:
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=462537
I think my 21 has proven its durability
For almost 10 years I’ve been abusing and neglecting my Glock 21. A running joke among some friends and I, nothing planned or documented. As I tell people what it has been through, most simply don’t believe me. I wouldn’t either, I guess. If someone told you their Glock has at least 150K rounds through it, and has gone almost 15K rounds with no cleaning or maintenance, would you believe them?
I want to do this so I have documentation, of what has been done, and how it worked. I don’t care about 500rds without a FTE, or FTF. Once it was buried in the mud w/a full mag, and when I dug it out the next day it went bang the first time I pulled the trigger but the weight of all the mud on the slide kept it from cycling. I scraped off most of the mud on my boot and fired the remaining 12 shots without a problem.
I want to know how much can it take and still function. If not function perfectly – what will it take to get running again.
quote: Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
Hey partner, better you than me. I wouldnt do that test on any pistol I've gotta pay for. You do realize of course you're gonna make a $400 gun into a $100 gun? Its all been done already, I'm just going to keep track this time. Heres a pic after around 15K rounds with no cleaning, and being buried in mud etc...
The barrel fouling was amazing, it was basically a smooth bore.
http://www.besthdw.com/test/glockw.jpg
quote: Originally Posted By dubb-1:
quote: Originally Posted By triburst1:
Which of your 1911s are you going to put through the same tests?[http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/wink.gif] I'd vote for Springfield Professional Model.
Be well! Come on over and toss your Pro (video)out the window (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/windowdrop.MPG). Hopefully it will land on my glock instaed of the rocks.
Play Sand
Potting Soil
Baby Powder
1 bucket of water for cleaning
2 buckets for mixing ingredients.
This entire process took place over 45 minutes. The pistol was never field stripped, and the only cleaning was dunking in a bucket of dirty water.
Sand
Boring, but gotta do it. Used play sand, good consistency.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/a_sand1.jpg
Need a little pressure so 10lb sledge was used to slightly pack it in place.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/a_sand2.jpg
shot after buried, loaded, closed slide
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/sand1.mpg)
shot after buried, loaded, slide open
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/sand2.mpg)
Potting soil, a good mix various dirt and junk.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/b_dirt1.jpg
slide open
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/b_dirt2.jpg
shot after buried, loaded, closed slide
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/dirt1.mpg)
shot after buried, loaded, slide open
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/dirt2.mpg)
Baby Powder, fine enough to get into everything.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/c_powder1.jpg
slide open
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/c_powder2.jpg
shot after buried, loaded, closed slide
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/powder1.mpg)
shot after buried, loaded, slide open
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/powder2.mpg)
Mud (potting soil and water)
Nice sticky mess
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/d_mud1.jpg
remember this is from one test to another, it now has sand, dirt, and powder in it.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/d_mud2.jpg
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/d_mud3.jpg
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/d_mud4.jpg
shot after buried, loaded, closed slide - started to get messy.
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/mud1.mpg)
shot after buried, loaded, slide open
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/mud2.mpg)
Rinse time
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/e_rinse.jpg
Paste – Baby powder and water. Stupid idea.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/f_paste1.jpg
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/f_paste2.jpg
shot after paste, didn’t even try it with the slide open.
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/paste.mpg)
Needs a rinse and mag through to help dry. The mag was empty before the water quit pouring out!
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/afterpasterinse.mpg)
Lets dump everything into one bucket and mix it together.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/g_all1.jpg
That’s about the limit
video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/all.mpg)
The mag is full of crud, the trigger must be pulling at 20lbs, time to rinse again and see field strip.
I wonder if the stone wedged in the transfer bar had anything to do with the heavy trigger?
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/stripped.jpg
For overnight, it will soak outside in a the rinse water mixed with a dose of rock salt.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltstew.jpg
good night
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltsoak.jpg
I used 1 target for the test, paced 35’ feet away. Not bad considering half the time I couldn’t see the sights. The increased weight of the trigger must have had me pulling to the right.
Need to take more than 1 magazine next time. There were a few times the mag was so full of stuff I only only fit 10 or 11 rounds. I think some of the FTF were partially the mag.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/target.jpg
Originally Posted By M4arc:
Excellent! [};)]
A couple of thoughts:
1) I have a spread sheet that I use to document my G17s history. If you are interested I can send it to you. I have plans to create a PockePC application if you or anyone else is interested.
Too late for that. I'll keep track of rounds fired by the case and post here from now on.
quote: Originally Posted By M4arc:
Excellent! [};)]
2) The same test(s) needs to be performed on another or a couple other types of handguns. Maybe a H&K or a Sig and a 1911. I know Larry Vickers did a similar test a number of years ago but the history of your G21 is simily amazing so I think you'll have a much different result [http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/wink.gif]
Not me. This has been going on for almost 10 years with this piece. [http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif]
Not sure whats next. The large amount of rock salt kept it from freezing out side last night. What would be the best condition for corrosion? Should I leave it outside or bring it in and let it soak? Hos long? The "camera man" from the other pics is convinced the salt will turn the barrel into a rusted mess. We'll see how good the tennifer is.
As a side note - a friend who is a pilot has agreed to take me up this spring and let me throw it out the window of his plane! We'll decide on the height later, but the slowest he said he can go is 65mph.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltysoak.jpg
quote: Originally Posted By M4arc:
Here's another test: gather up dubb-1, Eric and a few other employees and just go out and run a case through it as fast as you all can. Rotate shooters every few mags to give everyone a chance to reload and see how hot you can get it and to see how many FTF/FTE you have in that 1000 rounds. See how:
- Fast you can put a 1000 rounds through it
- How how it will get
- How many failures during that time
Like I said earlier, it would be nice to see a different pistol being subjected to this kind of punishment [http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/wink.gif] Yawn. [http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/wink.gif] Been done 3 or 4 times already. Any(quality) clean pistol, with factory ball ammo should run through 1K rounds like nothing. At this point itd be a waste of $200 IMO [;)]
I'm looking for stuff that hasnt been done, what makes it stop, and can it keap going? Like last night, it was so full of ****, the transfer bar wasnt reseting the striker after firing. After a quick manual cycling and the loss of a round - the next went off. What will make it not function, yet still be usable.
If you want to really analyze the videos from the other day, look at the length of the videos, and the number of shots fired. There were some stops, yet I was still able to get most shots on target.
I'm thinking my next plan will be to start breaking parts myself.
Will if function if the spring cups are shattered?
How much if the striker spring can be cut and still work.
Will it run without an ejector?
I'm still stoked about shooting it without the trigger spring!
I dont care so much about it working, I want to find what makes it stop and how to keep going[http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif>]
Took the glock out of the salt water, and ran 500rds through it. Sorry, would have done 1K, but this was PAINFUL. No cleaning or oil, since the last tests.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/500brass.jpg
I learned I have an aimed rate of fire of 100RPM :-)
Attempted to load several mags at once and blast through one at a time. After the 3rd mag my hand was almost numb, and I had to really hor at holding on. Need to shoot 2 mags rest a couple minutes and shoot 2 more.
partial video (http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/partial500.mpg)
I dont have room on my server for the whole video, but I think TheRicker may be able to host it later. The spliced together video documents every shot. Count the rounds if you want, I think he caught them all.
Time to stick my hand in a bag of ice.[XX(] Not the smartest thing I've done....
Salt water is nasty. Looks like all the tennifer pieces are fine, but untreated parts didnt stand a chance. I believe the rust on the barrel dripped down from the guide rod and should wipe right off.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltedglock.jpg
quote: Originally Posted By M4arc:
Now run a few hundred through it and retake those pictures! I'm not physically able, my hand is too sore from the other day still. Its just discolored, everything slides, clicks, and sproings just fine. I'm going to clean everything and see what is actually rust and what is just "runoff".
I'll keep those springs until they break[;)]
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/saltedparts.jpg
Good as new, almost. The Guide rod has pitting dammage, and so does the slide lock but thats the only evidence remaining. The locking block must have tennifer along with all the pins. The sopts on the bottom of the barrel discolored the finish, but the metal is still glass smooth. The other parts must be stainless steel, as it rubbed off, but didnt wipre righ off like the barrel and slide.
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/cleanparts.jpg
I finally got a chance to see how it did with bead blasting media. If you have never felt this stuff, its really cool, so small and round, it feels almost like water. Here's a pic of the media used midex with common table salt and a dime
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/beadsize.jpg
I put a few cups in a baggie with the pistol and shook it up good, took it out and shot the rounds I had in the mag. I repeated this three times. The video sucks, as I had to set it up to record by myself.
Bead Media Test (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/beadtest.mpg)
First time no problem, except I got a beads all over my face, so I let it run out a bit on the second. The second time a round failed to feed because the magazine was binding up. The third time, was worthless because I had gotten enough media in the mag to make it useless. The weak spot here was the magazine, the media got in there and had no where to go. A new magazine and I'm sure it would work fine. Not a flawless test, but I cant find the line until I cross it. Again, nothing that a simple field strip and shaking out couldnt fix and back into action.
After I shook it out, I put a handful of play sand in the bag and shook it up. Same old results from every other time it was full of sand. It worked just fine.
Just a .22 pistol 30' away. I didnt expect it to do any damage, if we hit where we were aiming. Hit it 10 times before I lost my nerve and didnt want to risk hitting the frame. One hit the extractor, but didnt hurt anything.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/shotglock.jpg
video of 1st 2 hits (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/glockhits.mpg) pictured above.
quote: Originally Posted By M4arc:
What kind of damage did it do to the finish? Clean it up and post pictures please. I took some degreaser and steel wool to one of the spots. It basicaly rubs right off.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/bulletmarks.jpg
Another stupid idea, but the flat slide seems fitting. hammer (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/hammer.mpg)
Its been boiled before , no ill effect.
ever wonder what the magwell looks like after inserting hundreds of muddy magazines, and forcing mags into a muddy frame?
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/magwell.jpg
Over time the transfer bar and disconnect have worn grooves into each other. I guess that will happen what contacting metal parts are never oiled. This may be the reason for the 8.5lb trigger?
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/disconnect.jpg
And for those who say the plastic mag catch will wear out..... nope, they built it plenty strong too.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/magcatch.jpg
A customer came to me last week with his USP .45 Compact he had just gotten it back from HK who had replaced a broken trigger bar. It has fewer than 1K rounds through it, and is well taken care of. He asked me if I would trust a pistol that broke, and was fixed by the factory. I said no. He asked me to run 500rds through it and see what happened.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/21andUSP.jpg
I took his pistol and 8 magazines, My 21 and 8 magazines, and 1K rounds of ammo.
Both pistols were field stripped and blown completely clean and dry with compressed air.
2 mags were emptied in clean condition to make sure everything was fine.
For the fist comparison I threw a couple handfuls of play sand in a bucket.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/glockuspbuckets.jpg
bucket shake (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/bucketshake.mpg)
I took each pistol, full mag, round in the chamber and shook it in the sand for a few seconds. I did this first with the 21 and it went bang 13 times as expected.
I pulled the USP compact out of the bucket(it was loaded but decocked), pulled the trigger, hammer falls but no bang. I pull the trigger again and still no bang. Not a squib, and not a delay. I cycle the slide and eject the cartridge, but it fails to go into battery. I repeat, while shaking out sand, until the magazine is empty. After removing the slide blowing the frame out with compressed air I repeat the test.
wont lock (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/wontlock.mpg)
Back in the bucket, shake, attempt to shoot – exact same results. Field strip and blow out with compressed air. This was attempted 4 times, with 4 different magazines. The first shot did go off once, but did not lock up for the following round. Again it required fieldstripping to function.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/bucketsandresultsUSP2.jpg
OK, it doesn’t work in sand. For a different twist, I took a UPS mag and a glock mag and threw them in the bucket and shook them up.
http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/bucketsandmags.jpg
I picked up the 21 mag, loaded the pistol, pulled the trigger 13 times. I then picked up the USP mag, pulled the trigger once and it went bang. The slide failed to close on the second round. Ejecting the 2nd round partially inserted the 3rd but also a bunch of sand. The USP mags have basically a shovel extending for the slide stop, which proved them useless combined with the sand.
Sand is over, time for good old potting soil. Potting soil was basically a repeat of the sand. The USP never went bang once. Even with a round in the chamber, and numerous hammer strikes, nothing.
hammer (http://www.adcofirearms.com/glock/hammerhits.mpg)
Cycling by hand ejected round, but would not lock up on the following round.
After that we gave up, on the USP and took turns emptying the several full 21 mags.
I’ll return the customers pistol and his 500 rounds. This USP compact went bang every time clean, so it works fine. I would never trust it though, as a carry piece.
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